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If a person has to be trained to not taser pregnant women, to not push old men to the ground, to not pepper spray children, that person should never, never, never be in a position of authority of any type.
But if the policy says they can, you'll never get charges when they do.
@@BeauoftheFifthColumn Has the US become an open air Stanford-Prison-Experiment?
@@Ashley-lm4nv - 'Become'? We are the real thing in too many areas.
@@Ashley-lm4nv : _"Has the US become an open air Stanford-Prison-Experiment?"_
With an addendum: _Have the 99% in the world become an open air Prison-Experiment?_
I would say: yes, this likely happened soon after land ownership became a thing 20,000+ years ago.
@@BeauoftheFifthColumn & so in those cases we should look at reforming policy & training.
Make police unions pay lawsuit damages out of their retirement fund, instead of citizens tax dollars, and watch how fast they weed out the "bad apples" among them.
That’s a great idea! I guarantee you they would clean up their act REAL quick.
Yes.
It would massively change their behavior.
Amen 👍
The problem with this idea is that in some states, Florida for example, police pension funds are combined with other state employee pension funds. My teacher pension comes from the Florida Retirement System, which also pays police pensions.
A better solution is to REQUIRE police to have and pay for liability insurance. When Joe Goodcop's premiums depend on the behavior of his fellow cops he has a vested interest in rooting out the bad ones.
I was born in the united states, and have since lived all over the world. I have had more guns pointed at me in the united states, than anywhere in the world. 100% were police, and most of the time in silly things like a traffic stop for an expired tag or something (and I am white).
I now live in a country, where if a police officer even unholster their weapon, without a good reason, their career is over. I have seen plenty of videos where I am certain the police officer's own life is clearly in danger, but they still did not pull their weapon. They still did not escalate the situation. They are that displined.
They have a standing policy, when in doubt, let them get away. They will pick them up later, when no one's life is at risk. That goes for civilian, police, and the criminal.
This has an interesting side effect. criminals are less violent. They only half-heartdly run from cops. they rarely shoot at them. when caught, they kind of shrug their shoulders and go with the police. They simply don't fear the police, because the police are not escalating a situation to where force and violence is required.
Where and what are the prisons like?
A big part of the problem in the U.S. is the prison system. Criminal culture, revolving door, profit from prisoners etc.
cenc cenc, this is what I have been saying for years. The police use the resistance of the arrestee as justification for their violence. If people didn't expect brutality from the police they would be more compliant. When sir Robert Peele established the London bobbies England was not the gun scarce country we know today. His motto " violence begets violence".
@John Smith sounds like here. Australia
And Germany. Training and Education, Training and Education, Training and Education. Police Academy .. for starters/beginners, regular cops - 36 months in Bavaria (from state to state different) and than they are Rookies. And than they go out there in the streets with an "old timer" on there side, to make sure the beginners learn that too. In 2019 : 53 times a police officer had to draw his weapon, 23 people got insured (police officers don't go for the kill "first"), 11 people died (in Germany). As per the published data: «Wir haben hierzulande eine hervorragende Aus- und Fortbildung, und das macht unsere Kolleginnen und Kollegen zu hochprofessionellen Krisenmanagern», kommentierte der stellvertretende Bundesvorsitzende der Gewerkschaft der Polizei (GdP), Jörg Radek, die neue Statistik zum Schusswaffengebrauch. Die wichtigste Waffe von Polizisten sei das Wort....." The most important weapon for an police officer is the word!..." Head of the Police Union of the Federal Republic Germany (GdP)
@John Smith It could be Australia, New Zealand, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Austria, Greece, Malta, Japan, Taiwan, Nepal, possibly also France, Spain, Poland, Slovenia, Chechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldova, Indonesia, Great Britain and Canada (most of the time).... not magical fairy lands, *normal* countries that take seriously their duty of care to all their citizens. The USA’s statistics for police shootings is worse than Mexico, on par with Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Columbia, Kenya, Rwanda and Angola, but fortunately not as bad as Brazil and the Philippines right now.
Numbness to the shootings can become as dangerous as the bullets.
The more you Beau, the More You Know 🌈⭐
This is where I come to get degaussed from these emotionally charged topics, and reboot my political perspective.
thats a good slogan, it should go on a shirt.
Haha! _"The more you Beau, the More You Know"_ That's good. Really good.
I agree with Loretta of the Cotton Barn, this needs to be a T-shirt.
@Mt. Lama Absolutely, if that wasn't the line to be crossed there is no line to be crossed.
@@aylbdrmadison1051 I think it might be too cheesy for Beau but maybe he will take it and use it. We'll see 😉
I would like to know how putting an end to Bad policing will cause the crime rate to go up?
Bad cops need to be held accountable just like any other bad employee should be.
It wouldn’t, at all. It’s a lie spewed by police departments to scare suburbanites into thinking that holding police accountable would result in anarchy. A minute of critical thought undoes their desired effect. We don’t want criminals to have free reign; we want cops who violate people’s rights, brutalize, and murder, to be held accountable. Period. If they can’t protect and serve without breaking the law, they have no business being cops.
The only way is if cops decide to slow down response times etc. So, it only happen if they pout. ✌✊
/all/ cops are bastards. they /all/ need to be held accountable for the years of harm they’ve caused and taken off our streets. there’s plenty of times they’ve thrown a fit and stopped doing their jobs and crime rates have gone down. it’s time to stop pretending we need em
Exactly! They are CRIMINALS with badges and immunity. We ended qualified immunity in New Mexico! It's a start but we need a new barrel..this one is tainted. Fire them all, retest, retrain and rehire the Good Apples. There but rare.
Same way putting the minimum wage up to $15/hr would cause companies to go bust. It wouldn't.
As someone who does a lot of ISO auditing of companies, 99% of it is “show me your policies and then show me that you’re holding to them. Having good policies and failing to follow them is WAY more grievous a problem than merely having bad policies; bad policies can be improved, but a culture of ignoring policies is a MASSIVE and often unsolvable problem.
To be fair it's not entirely unsolvable - fire everyone who doesn't adhere to the policies. Police departments should do the same thing.
I do agree that having good policies and sticking to them is important. The problem we have now is that the typical PD response is more training, which does nothing to improve our situation. Plus, cops who behave outside policy currently don’t seem to care that they’re on cami; they expect to get away with it. The “good apples” don’t want to “rock the boat” for fear of reprisal, so they tend to go along with it.
Sadly, the 1st step right now is for the horrific actions - in total - to be caught on video by a concerned bystander.
Man, I detest ISO certs. It is sooo much paper wasted on describing common sense. I get why it needs to get done, I just hate doing it. I even got to do 9001 (I think) twice, because I changed jobs. I also was involved in ISO/IEC 27000 Information security, but that was fun. And slightly involved in 14000.
@@MusicfromMarrs Very good points. I also think there needs to be a national register of cops who have been fired from one PD so that they can't simply get another job with another PD and go right back to what got them fired in the first place.
@@DarkFire515 definitely; this ability to obtain a job in another precinct after losing the gig for egregious behavior needs to be cut off.
This is the only channel I found so far where not only the person putting out his stuff is doing a phenomenal job but also the comment section is actually useful and not just a bunch of idiots screaming at each other. Not all hope is lost !
Yes exactly. Because the comment section is an outgrowth of the content and character of Beau. And the comment section is good and constructive because Beau is good and constructive
Hoar hear. Up here in Canada a relatively mild comment board like cbc news is more vile and useless then here. I assume its targetted by trolls Makes reading the comments useless
You're exactly right, I find that I often spend more time reading comments than Beau takes to get his message across. There is hope!
Welcome 😊
I was raised in the 60's / 70's...Adam 12 ERA ....and especially I noticed Since 9/11, Patriot Act and the Militarization of the Police.....they've gotten WaYYY OUT of Control....at 60, I've Lost Respect for them
I'm of a similar age and have drawn the same conclusions towards policing's lack of control. However, I also am not sure if it is all that worse now? Today, cameras in the hands of the public are doing what cameras in the hands of independent journalists with war atrocities in the '60's and '70's. People had heard and read about the American atrocities committed in North Korea in the '50's, then the My Lai massacre in Viet Nam and it had some impact, yet relatively little overall. Then the pictures were released of the My Lai massacre, the photos of the napalm victims -- like the naked children running for their lives down the road while the burning napalm stuck to their skin melts them alive -- had major impacts on the public. The same is happening on the streets of America today with citizens with cameras exposing what we only read and heard about before, but did not see.
Also, there was a different public perception for what was considered police brutality. For one example I found and read a little awhile ago, there is an article that was written in my local paper back in the mid-'60's about when the Beatles came to town. As soon as the band took the stage the kids there went nuts screaming with excitement. No violence, just teens overwhelmed by what was likely the biggest moment of their lives to that point. The police became worried and so shut the show down after something like 20 minutes. Obviously this did not please the teens and so a joyous experience for them turned to angry frustration in an instant, leading a few to throw stuff onstage in protest. The journalist writing the story I'm relating here then describes that the cops then pulled their clubs out and just started whacking anyone close, chasing teens running away and hitting them repeatedly, even over the back of their head. Thing is, the journalist described all this as though it was routine police behaviour, expected. There wasn't much of a public outcry about the police violence documented at the time, the public expected this behaviour from police.
Having said all that, despite the growing awareness and outrage in the public today and the cameras revealing what was always there, I do believe the cop's level of violence has increased recently. Especially when they adopted the "us vs them" blue-line bs and the buying of hand-me-down military equipment.
Sorry even when Adam-12 was airing it was fiction in parts of the country.
The move against the Black Panthers in Philadelphia, there were gangs in New York, Detroit and San Francisco.
Granted pre opiate drugs...
I would like to remember a kinder, gentler time...
It wasn't.
Edit: I know it is fiction, based on fact that police officers in many of the larger cities used billy clubs instead of guns on 'undesirables' and not just recent immigrants.
@Rory Callaghan
exactly! the very first thing i said when i saw what was done to george floyd was THANK GOD FOR SMARTPHONE CAMERAS!
I'm 12 years older than you and I lost respect for police in the 60's after viewing their reactions to the civil rights demonstrators and the demonstrations against the Vietnam war 🤷
You know I wish my parents who are about your age could understand this. My Great-Uncle was a Sheriff so my parents and Uncle are naturally supportive of law enforcement. It's like they all believe that most cops are like him or Andy Griffith (they also live in a small town which means the police are members of the community they police not outsiders). And even when they see evidence that police in the cities treat EVERYONE like they are the enemy they make excuses for it. That tired ass racial crime stats. Say they have to act that way because, as my father puts it, "black kids don't have fathers to teach them how to 'act right' around the police. Ugh.
Hearing those stats in the beginning is absolutely mindboggling to me.
In Germany there were 67 bullets fired by police, 14 of which were fatal...
*IN THE ENTIRE YEAR OF 2019*
Our system and culture are broken in the U.S.A.
Something is broken here in the US with policing.
In Portugal, between 2006 and 2016 , the diferent police forces shot dead 15 people.
@@osvaldomedina173 but drugs were decriminalized in Portugal. By taking the focus of policing off of drugs & returning to the real purpose of police - protecting the population from violence & discouraging property crime, aprehending those who commit it. These anti- drug laws whose real purpose is to control & abuse populations that it is impolite to make law against their existence. Want to eliminate the cartels? Decriminalize. Take the profit out of black market sales.
@@tombrown8800 the possession and comsuption were decriminalized. But if your are caught with a kilo on your pants your ass will be in jail.
Culture and psychology matter. We need for police officers to understand that WE ARE NOT THE ENEMY. Their lives are NOT in danger, EVERYTIME they interact with us. We need cops that are both less afraid, and less combative. They will also feel less of a need to think in terms of us vs. them, if they remember that "they" ARE US. *Edit: also, we need them to understand that their job is NOT to DOMINATE, in EVERY situation. Sometimes, they just need to help.
"This is my scene"
"I ask the questions"
"Comply"
"Stop resisting"
"Respect my authority"
I NEED TO DOMINATE EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY OTHERWISE THEY'LL SEE I'M SCARED, THEY CAN'T SEE I'M SHITING MY PANTS.
Cheri Ann hello & that is the crux of the problem. They feel & their culture re-inforces that THEY ARE THE POLICE & we are criminals. They just need to keep snooping into our business till they find something chargeable.
@@reallyaznokidding I talk to people like this on a daily basis. You can ask them a simple, straightforward questions and it goes in one ear and out the other. You won't get an answer, they just shout a question back at you. It's so often I find myself playing "Mentally Challenged, or Off-Duty Cop".
Unfortunately, in a country with many more guns than people, police have to assume that a person has a gun, and is prepared to use it against them, and that is the problem.
@Joseph Norm
Other nations have white supremacists in the force as well.
Same goes for people that serve to have power trips.
Still not as many shootings and killings on a per capita basis -and that's with comparable population density numbers.
The US due to history and gun manufacturer lobbyism (for economic profit) has a gun proliferation problem.
It's as simple as that.
And there is only one way to solve it - get rid of most of your guns.
Beau, you blew my mind with that stat. 22 days over 100 people's life was ended. Policymakers need to change their stance, maybe accountability would be a real thing. As of now police have a lot of cop-outs. Immunity from the law? That shouldn't be a thing.
That number not only blew my mind but also made me sick. America needs to look outside of its borders to other modern industrialized nations to realize that this is not that norm. No other similar country comes close to that kind of police violence nor would they sit idly by and accept it.
@@RandomUserYTisFailing running away isn't committing murder. I'm sure some were resisting or in the act of murder but not all of them
@Joseph Norm
Constable On Patrol.
@@RandomUserYTisFailing I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark (which is what I'd like someone to do to rather a large proportion of the US population lately, but that's just a rather impolite aside!) and guess that the number actually shot whilst "literally in the act of murder" is usually pretty damn close to zero, although the official police paperwork will probably say that 100% of all the shootings were, including the young kid running away, the traffic stop, the guy shot multiple times in the back because he was walking back to his car, the "I thought it was a taser", and all of the other bullshit cases we know about.
Meanwhile in the UK we've averaged 2.3 police shootings per year over the course of the last 24 years, Canada averages about 25 police shootings per year, France 26, Germany 11, Japan 2, most of Scandinavia between 0 and 1. All of these countries have crime - in fact these stats also include a number of actual terrorists killed carrying out attacks, but no other industrialized first world country has anything like the same epidemic of police shootings as the USA. If you look at who they do actually compare to it's pretty eye opening - the 1,146 killed by law enforcement in the USA in 2019 is between the 606 killed by security forces in Afghanistan in 2019 and the 1,497 killed by security forces in Syria in 2019.
@@RandomUserYTisFailing No one is complaining about the cop that shoots someone who is guns'a'blazin' the outcry is when a cop shoots an unarmed, non-violent civilian and there is no corrective bahvior.
The gun should be neither the first nor the only tool the officer uses. Everyone wants to go home at the end of their shift; both the cops, and the people the cops engage with. I'm not saying officers shouldn't engage in crime prevention, but if you fear for your life from the second you walk out the door to the second you get home, you don't have the mental fortitude necessary to be a police officer.
I was a cop in the USAF. When something like this happens and I can review a report or watch a video of said incident I compare it to the military's use of deadly force. I'm pretty sure you know what the military's policy is on that. I still haven't found a case in which use of deadly force was authorized even by military standards. In your next talk on the topic, I would love to hear you recite that policy to everyone. Keep up the good work, Beau.
And should the punishment fit the crime?
Have you heard about the deputy in Boone County, Ky that jumped on the hood of a car and put 4 bullets into an 18 yr old girl's chest about 5-6 yrs ago?
@@carefulcarpenter murder is murder and a badge does not excuse it.
Also consider the military's response to the kind of police reports that are written afterwards. Article 107 of the UCMJ.
@@capt_b_ryle3148 Of course. Would Minneapolis be burning if Chauvin was found not guilty of murder, but rather manslaughter?
Cops are currently trained to have PTSD and then sent out with guns to deal with dangerous situations.
They should be trained more like medical staff or school teachers encountering a violent child. They already have plenty of less lethal weapons.
They also need to be screened for PTSD on a monthly basis.
Wholeheartedly agree. Even if you are a normal, law abiding citizen, and nod your head, or smile at the average police officer, they give you stink eye. Or the thousand yard stare. Either to intimidate from an ego standpoint, or actual suspicion. Who feels safe around someone you can’t communicate with?
Corrections officers don't carry guns and go through training to work in prisons and jails across the country where inmates continually make shanks. Same with juvenile detention facilities where kids aren't even locked up. People are trained to use crisis intervention and proper restraints. Caseworkers and community service workers go into many of the same situations, and often time more dangerous situations than law enforcement and have nothing more than a cell phone and their skills to make sure they get themselves and others (often times removing people's children from their custody) safely and efficiently. I'm not sure how these cops are shooting and beating people "per policy." I've been in human services for over 15 years without incident. 🤷🏻♀️
Howdy Beau!
For some perspective, these are the numbers of police shootings in The Netherlands.
2016: 34 cases with 33 injured 1 dead.
2017: 23 cases with 20 injured 3 dead.
2018: 27 cases with 26 injured 3 dead.
2019: 16 cases with 12 injured 4 dead.
2020: 22 cases with 18 injured 5 dead.
Our cops go for the legs most of the time.
Also in the Netherlands, if a cop pulls a gun, it means extra paperwork to check the action was within regulations. No one likes extra paperwork. So they don't even take the gun out of the holster unless they are pretty sure they will need it.
Wanna sponsor my immigration application?
@@RandomUserYTisFailing What a bitchy comment to someone just posting statistics. 🤣 Another one of those blue lives matters clowns exposing himself.
@@RandomUserYTisFailing It is way easier to stop bleeding on a leg or arm than the stomach. First aid until medic professionals arrive. But I guess engaging like that is a crime in the US, not engaging is a crime over here.
They said that was too small of target in Columbus, Ohio
I'm still mulling over an article I read this week in the Toronto Star about some police officers in Canada wearing a thin blue line badge on their uniforms.
I'm finding this quite disturbing ...
I'm sad to hear that. I dreaded but sort of expected the "blue line flags" in my rural area... still disturbing, but sadly, expected.
(And yet, the town can't "afford" a police department.)
@@PhoenyxAshe the RCMP and Ottawa police department have banned the wearing of these badges while on the clock but I'd like to see that Canada wide.
I too am considered a government employee and am not permitted to show any support of my beliefs at work.
If they want to do that they can do it on their own time just like I do with my Black Lives Matter shirts.
Sorry 'bout that... Maybe now you know who to keep an eye on?
@@TSZatoichi I've always known who to keep an eye on.
I'm a child of hippie decade too so protesting and speaking my mind is second nature 😊
Not surprising. Fellow Canadian here. Cockoo nutters stuff usually seeps up the border.
How about a policy to keep track of who hires murdering cops after they are fired.
If McDonald's can have policies and rules (for example, cooking temperatures/times) where you get fired if you don't follow them, I'm sure the police could manage to do the same thing - if they tried really hard.
They probably need to tear down the whole system, and build it back up with all fresh personnel, and ideas. Edit: Good morning ☀️
@@Andrea.1tree Morning Andrea. Could we do the same with the whole population please? :-)
This is such a great example, and can be taken a step further. If you get fired from McDonald's for breaking policy, you don't just get hired at the next McDonald's in the next town over.
@@cgj28ok yes! It's on record that you are a bad employee... can't we push the narrative on a national database for bad employee cops?
@@margaretnicol3423 I hear you. It’s taken so many years to reach this point. We definitely need a huge interruption of the norm nationwide to make progress.
What about Eric of NYC, killed by cop using neck hold . Also, what about preventing EMTs from administering emergency care ? I will never forget that cops face as he guards Eric's body from the EMTs. Then gets a promotion 6 months later. He belongs in prison.
Their argument: it was in policy.
I remember back in the late 80s early 90s when there were warnings about the militarism of the police force. Police forces buying military grade weapons etc. When I lived in San Francisco 1978-1996 there was a push to change policing. Eliminating vice squads, change police vehicles to be more visible and emphasis on neighborhood policing. Well now here we are decades later dealing with this.
Eisenhower warned of similar in the late 1950s...
The policing issue is a direct result with many veterans going into policing...
@@elenavaccaro339 yes good point!
@@elenavaccaro339 Greg Anderson was a Ranger and then eventually moved into law enforcement and spoke out against what he was seeing with policing, don't you think that guys like him would see what's wrong compared to people who were completely brought up in law enforcement?
@@Justin_GFM
I live in a moderate size city in the midwest, Ft. Wayne, Indiana. Almost all of the police in the city and county are veterans...
Part of this is many of the jobs are health care related, technical or low paying service jobs.
And with the reaction of the police during last summer's demonstrations where the police department turned out in battle looking gear with what looked like an armored personnel carrier...
Training, policy, and RECRUITMENT.
Policy seems to be protecting dangerous police from accountability. That needs to end!!
Bad behavior must be held accountable.
@John Smith And double standards.
Policy & laws do not necessarily equate to ethics & morality. Policy and laws are the only thing that matter in holding an officer legally accountable. In other words, if policy allows for an unethical immoral action there is nothing that can be done to hold an officer accountable.
I hadn't heard the stats on police shootings over only the 22-day period of the trial. That's insane.
Your acceptable margin of error, would be a major historical event in Australia.
If only we could live where as nice, but sometimes it feels like we can’t have nice things
On the flip side, there's somewhat less concern about being killed by assorted critters, trees, and geographic areas. :P
Not that that makes a margin of error of 8 deaths any less horrific, mind you.
He didn't say it was acceptable, he said it was believable. Big difference, and no one who follows Beau would ever imagine that he'd consider 8 deaths acceptable
Pretty much everywhere
@@seanheath4492 birth control pills are 100 x as much per 7 million.
Shooting a young woman through a window is policy? There seems to be a lot of law enforcement officers colouring outside the lines. It is the unspoken policy of "shoot first, ask questions later".
In a land where potentially every encounter might turn into the OK Corral it goes far deeper than mere training.
Abolish qualified immunity! And yes police unions!
End the immunity protections and things might change....thanks again for all you do, Beau!!
The NYPD ended it and since it's the largest department in the U.S., I'm sure that if it's successful there may be other departments deciding to follow as well
The breaking of policy is what instigates investigations, and possible charges.....
Police policy and training should be totally the same across the US.
For the most part, yeah. Like, you probably wouldn't train rural officers about high-rise buildings, but yeah there should absolutely be at least some standardization consistent with international human rights guidelines for starters..
New policy. Fine the officer 500 dollars each time they draw their firearm without just cause.
Thank you for explaining that. I understand that policy is why so many cops go free. Their actions did not violate dept policy. So while it may have been WRONG, it wasn't against the law.
That sucks!
Same with The Holocaust.
Investigation and disciple of police should be done by an independent agency with full investigation powers and capable of bringing prosecutions. The records of the investigation agency should be available to policy makers.
I turn to this channel for education. I have my own opinions on everything in this galaxy. My opinion on things is not what the world needs. Me becoming a more educated person is what the world needs. Making knee jerk decisions has cost me dearly thru out my life. Thanks Beau for being the adult. I’m only 69 after all. Peace
Hey there old man, I'm only 63, and totally agree with you. The old saying, "the beginning of wisdom is when you realize how much you don't know", comes to mind.
Beau, this was great, but I loved one of the comments below! 'The more you Beau, the more you know'. Yes, we need change, and the places to make them will have to be policy and culture. For sure in policing, but also in the rest of it. Community change. 👍🥰✌👌🏿😷🎃
Love this channel. Dude speaks the truth.
That's actually pretty correct. If we accept the inevitability of police brutality, that's when you give cops an out.
On a recent episode of The Rookie the newbie is a military vet. The training officer explains that one cannot view citizens as enemy combatants and do a good job.
"Reasonable" is not a word that should be used in terms of use of force. There need to be clear specific rules of engagement. This is the line. You can't cross over it.
I was a debt collector in PA. The law was clear. If I violated it the client, the collection agency and the individual collector could be held financially liable. And complaints went to the state AG's office. I appreciated having those boundaries.
Thank you, voice of reason
This is what challenges me.
If they write the policy to permit certain behaviors and actions and then how can we hold them accountable? Are we not seeing legislations and rulings being changed to allow more discretion? What's next, not only more children given life time sentences without parole but the electric chair too because well, it is allowed. Some behaviors that lead to heinous acts are about attitude and reinforced by the policy and if it is outside the policy, it is support by the blue wall of lies.
This is what I struggle with..
Knowing is most of the battle!
The other half is red and blue lasers. GI JOOEEEEEE
Crap, I thought it was only half the battle.... I'm screwed then......
Today I came upon your channel and have watched this in full and your Chauvin found guilty one.
you are very well spoken and extremely critical of police officers.
I like that, cops definitely need to be held to higher standard in the USA.
I am going to subscribe
So, know what tools you have in your toolbox, and how to use them appropriately and effectively. Don't attempt to do the job if you don't have the requisite tools. Bureaucracies are strange but generally predictable systems. Militarized bureaucracies scare the hell out of me.
There is a shortage of applicants for police officers.
If everyone knows how to do it better, apply, and do it better.
Thanks Beau for always bringing the truth!!!
My wife and I JUST had this conversation! Weird! Good clip regardless. Problems need to be analyzed and broken down. There are two problems: (using your terms) Cops who go rogue (break policy), and policies that look like they can be improved.
So, the criminal activity which brings the police to the scene and the non-compliance to lawful orders are not a problem? You can't solve a problem when you are only willing to critique half of the people involved.
@@kenzzutube That part of the critique is called due process. The suspect has to get there first. (Alive)
Watching from sunny Scotland, and have a beer
Sunny Scotland? Got to be kidding
@@dinkoz1 honestly, we do get nice weather sometimes
@@craigmuncie2634 If it's anything like your neighbor in England, I'll take cloudy. I had the wonderful opportunity to spend a year there as an Air Force dependent, and when the sun came out, it seemed to get all the muggier. Warm with clouds was almost perfect.
Then again, I'm in ultra-dry Colorado, with 300 days of full sun a year, so my acclimation is a bit different. :)
Did you see the video of an ex-Cop speaking truth on the Sucker Carlson show? Sucker was so uncomfortable he gave a weird laugh and cut the ex-Cop off air.
Link?
@@rkms5606 ...or more info about the incident so we can find it? TPTB are really po'd about links they don't like.
Yeah man that was the creepiest thing ever. It was almost like his sycophantic self came out for a split second 😳
The right as a whole lost their collective sht when no riots happened after the Chauvin verdict. You know Carlson had a weeks worth of "proof" he was banking on that night. It wasn't just the verdict that had that impact. Its that they pulled the manuals back out and treated the protest the way you're supposed to in order to maintain as much calm as possible.
@@rkms5606 The Damage Report and a few others have it.
The 15 year old. Policy is what I thought at first. Justified or not depends on policy. But hey, I am a brit who lives in China. Policy here is that cops dont have guns.
Was thinking about that. Curious what the procedure is there.
Yeah, but what happens if you speak out about the government of China in China? Especially in a group? Kinda like a protest?
@@Mustang7120 Similarly, FL just passed a law very similar to that. 5 years for people in groups of 3 or more seen as antagonistic. All protestors will be held accountable for the actions of any protestors. Hell, even makes it legal to run over protestors if they're in the street.
This doesn't take China off the hook, but we're hardly one to judge at this point.
@@nunyabidnis3815 It lets them off the hook for Civil Penalties (i.e. the family of the protestor(s) run over can't sue) but does not let the vehicular-manslaughterer off the hook, giving the DA discretion to prosecute -liberals- anyone that they wish to hold accountable to the law.
I'm sure Florida will do just fine.
@@Vohlfied What I think about with that bill is, if they don't like your protest, they can just send 1 or 2 undercover cops to stand next to any protestor and antagonize people.
Bing bang boom, 5 years. I'm sure that's totally normal and fine, though.. and they clearly won't use that with any political expedience or bias, surely..
Policy IS accountability.
Start with policy. Training is structured from policy. Thank you Beau for helping people understand this.
Police are not trained at small target shooting of arms and legs. The policy is to stop the threat of deadly harm by the suspect. Center-mass (torso) is the policy to ensure that happens.
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A very good discussion on policy. It rings true when we hear the police chief talking about an incident. Accountability means that the policy sets the boundary - every time. If there is bad action happening within the policy boundaries, then the boundaries need to be adjusted. Thank you.
The ability of police unions to completely obfuscate law and policy in the accountability of police misconduct, and the mainstreamed support of this, is among the most fascistic of characteristics our nation has.
Politicians are scared spitless of police unions.
The Supreme Court has also granted police a blanket partial immunity and declared that "Protect and Serve" is a marketing slogan and not a mission statement.
@@aaronleverton4221 who the hell are they marketing to?
@@sigmascrub The public. Because they now believe that they themselves are no longer civilians, but some form of paramilitary.
what we need to reform is the policies and training activity is what your saying and i can agree. once the policy changes then the accountability will change with it.
We need to have a community discussion about psychological screening for people entering law enforcement and after more than three incidents of excessive force. Not all people are cut out for the job they initially train for, if pleasing is too stressful for an individual they should retrain for a job they are better suited for. That would serve both their personal needs and the communities better.
Thanks.
The vetting process needs some MAJOR revamping also.
While I agree with your policy argument, police culture is also important. With body cams, we are able to view encounters, in which, there was a clear deviation from policy. However, if there is a culture of a blue wall of silence, few will intervene when a policy is not followed.
As these same tactics have been seen across multiple police departments then it's the policy of the departments.
Thank you Beau, as always, for clearly explaining things that, um, clearly need explaining. Take care, howdy to the fam, plz keep up the good work.
I had an issue where I sued the sheriff Department. It's almost impossible to do. The fact that we were able to show that policy was not followed made a huge difference in having the case settled. Still no charges were filed against the officers.
I appreciate the explanations that you give about policy and training. It's simple. You explain what it should be according to policy as it's written, so it's evident to the everyday citizen when there's a violation. Usable facts over emotional response...that's what you provide. Thank you and please keep it up!
I believe you, Beau are trying to change people thought process. Thank you Beau
2:30 - I think this might be the first time I’ve heard the phrase “turn of the century” being casually used to refer to the turn into the 21st century, rather than the 20th. Cool. :)
I noted that too.
This insight highlighting law enforcement policy illumines a clear inflection point for change. Policy should be subject to review, modification and validation by all citizens both civilian and police. This is the common reference point in establishing responsibility and accountability for all.
Can it also work in reverse? Didn't step outside of policy and something terrible happened therefore policy needs to change.
That make sense giving these bad cops excuse to stay on the force.
Hey Beau, the deal is that often when there is a shooting the department gets money for training. They should loose money not get money for it. Yeah we are all tired of hearing about police training
Sorta right direction..?
Here is an idea. Mandatory unpaid training after a shooting/extreme use of force event spread out over several weeks involving that scenario and what could have been done differently.
No incentive for use of force, disincentives for unnecessary use of force when not necessary and incentives for not using excessive force.
A key here from the officer's perspective is this: Not enough disincentives to make an officer let a criminal off the hook. Hope that last part makes sense.
Very well explained. Thank you.
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also you point out the times policy hasn’t been violated which is an important part of condemning the system. you cant say “this system causes harm even when its policy is followed to the letter” without reviewing that policy and whether its being followed
The policy thing is something lay people genuinely do not understand. The question of a 'good shoot' will always exist on review and the framework for that is the policy of the police department in question. It's not about what Twitter thinks.
That's not to dismiss it, but you have to understand where and why to change it to something better.
Suggestion ; If each 'Licensed Police Officer had to buy their own 'malpractice insurance', the rates they pay would be tied to their own performance. An officer with multiple complaints/incidents would be priced out of the job by high premiums. Licensed Contractors, doctors, dentists etc. cover their own butts. Just a thought. Y'all have a good day.
Man you make so much sense.
Thanks Beau, for the clarity. Point taken.
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You are absolutely correct in your analysis... And the key for me is to look at where Police and Political Leadership stand on certain policies and training...This is key to understanding how so many bad things happen....
Agree.
22 years of being a 11B , and I still live by S.O.P. Its very important to follow policies.
prisons are needed only to provide the illusion that courts and police are effective. the police always observe that some criminals prosper, it justifies their existence.
Exactly Beau!! I was telling someone exactly what you are saying about getting policies changed so that cops can be held accountable.
I love it Kris!!! "The more you Beau, the More You Know!!!!! We need a 1000 more Beau people to turn this nation around....that would be some serious change!!! Run for the Senate Beau...please!!! And forget the suit!!! Go just like you are in the videos Beau and maybe the dinosaurs will get a grip!!
I agree that a voice of reason in the senate would be outstanding. But let's not do that to our Beau. Could he wade the swamp and keep his values? I think so. Beau has said that with his public background including 'gator wrangling with intent to commit a practical joke, he'd never get elected. I think that at least 600k of us need him where he is, doing what he does so well.
@@markrenfrow9873 You have my vote Mark!!! Well said and well reasoned ...but I have the right to dream!!!
"Policing Policy", at whatever level (muni, county, state, fed) is a somewhat of a subset of "Cultural Norms". And in the US and below the federal level there will be lots of variations. Change? Concerned? Start attending your regular municipal and county meetings. They are open to the public. Ask questions about written or vague or inconsistent policies. Answers go on record. Don't like the answers? Well maybe we can start there.
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Powerful, thank you sir
Policy change: All patrol officers wear yellow jumpsuits. Step one in demilitarizing the beat cops.
beau is the king of logic and critical thought in what he addresses on his channel. there is always a reason for the who/what/where/when and why being presented. all hail journalist beau!
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Make the cops pay out of pocket for liability insurance. Why should taxpayers have to pay for bad cops? I carried liability insurance as a medical assistant for 15 years. Cops will think twice when their liability insurance is on the line for too many bad actions.
Thanks again Beau
Spot on video. I've been saying this for years!
Tracking police shootings would be a full time job and you would need a team to track and document all of them. Not all of them are needless but it would be nice to have the data.
That's not a bad idea. Form a department seperate from the police department so they won't get influence by police culture and have them response to incidents with them to observe the interaction so if it gets out of hand they can intervene and create better policy. The worse feeling is seeing someone dying and not being able to do anything bout it without getting in trouble as well. But anyway, it's just a thought like Beau says haha
You know there's something wrong when you need help, and the only "help" is the last thing anyone wants to see.
So step 1 of police accountability is setting policy. If a department can say that an officer's actions were within policy then there's basically zero chance of accountability.
Right. Columbus is a good example of that. I don't believe that shoot was necessary, but it was within policy by everything I've seen.
@@BeauoftheFifthColumn Just like the law can be wrong, so too can a policy be wrong.
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Are you talking about Ma'Khia?
What would you have done differently?
To me that is one of the most justifiable shootings I've seen recorded.
Police identified themselves as such, she attacked one girl (trying to stab her and missing), then rushed and pinned a girl against a car and then attacked her with a knife.
Is there something I missed?
Assuming that is the one we're talking about, 4 shots definitely didn't seem necessary to say the least. She also looked to be well within range of a taser at the time she was shot. But for me, most importantly, she was well within arms reach of the officer before turning to the girl in pink. Had he taken an extra moment (the "time" part that Beau talks about) to assess the situation more fully before rushing in, he could have been able to spot the knife and safely disarm while she was right next to him. I get that it was a "high stress" situation that your average Joe likely wouldn't be able to handle very well. But I would prefer the people we pay to be running around with deadly weapons be trained for high stress situations. There are likely several things that could have happened differently that would make this outcome not "necessary", but I too am quite curious about a more detailed and technical breakdown from Beau, given how many people have such widely varying views on this incident.
@@jopahpino I agree with your thinking on the amount of shot fired. Stop the threat as opposed to 'kill' the threat. Otherwise.... Officer presence, asked "what's going on, verbal command "Hey stop" then WTF, she is attacking her with a knife.
I don't think he had enough time to deal with or respond to what was happening before it went down. If he had a rewind button and hindsight yes. In the moment, no.
Changing policy will not result in immediate behavior change in law enforcement.
There are cops who have been doing the same things for years, and getting them to behave differently is going to take a major dose of re-training.
Departments will have to do more than have a meeting and pass out some handouts. This will require re-training similar to their initial academy training, and then numerous refresher courses!!!
I feel like too much focus on the individual cops as bad people kind of risks validating the "bad apple" narrative. The more it's the fault of individual bad actors, the more you can claim that system itself is fine and doesn't need reform.
Clean & concise, Beau, thank you.