Lendl and Borg were teutonic groundstroke machines. They hit with so much topspin to clear the net and made very few errors to balls in play. Absolutely incredible.
seems like Lendl is just crushing the ball. It's crazy to think of how hard he would be hitting with today's strings and racquets. Certainly wouldn't want to be on the otherside trying to volley
02:28 wonderful point by Ivan !!! They say he didn t have the touch... but you can t make shot like that if you have only power... he really was a great player! 👍👍👍
But he beat Lendl 3 out of 4 times in '85. Funny thing....Mac beat Ivan the first two times they played, when Ivan was 19 turning 20. Then Ivan beat him 6 times in a row when Mac was the dominant player. then Mac beat Ivan 7 out of 8, and 11 out of 14. Then I van beat him 11 out of 12. Ivan just kept improving, and John just kept declining. Discipline wins in the long run.
Plus, McEnroe didn't develop his game at all.. He played the Hollywood 'rock star' and paid the price. His first service percentage was ridiculous, and his 2nd service was weak. And his returns were too passive and he was not aggressive enough.
Lendl said recently that McEnroe lost his level. I'm thinking of the discussion with Wilander, McEnroe and Becker. Lendl suggested to Becker that he'd never seen the real McEnroe.
Match à sens unique pour Lendl qui prend sa revanche ,après un match mouvementé en demi finale de Dallas cette année là.Magique les matchs entre ces deux joueurs
Hate to break it to you but Mac accomplished more in tennis than Lendl ever did. Mac had more Davis Cups wins and more major doubles wins than Lendl. Sure Lendl had a slight edge over Mac in singles, but he sucked in doubles so if you look at the whole picture Mac had a better tennis career than Lendl.
@@michaelrobbins282 But Mac had/has the worse character, no manners, and no sportsmanship. He should not have been allowed to ever play on the ATP tour.
yes djokovic could also beat all federer's records ! but, the facts are : mc enroe was a genius, that everybody loved to watch play, and federer is the best tennis player of all times, what ever happens with djokovic's records ! lendl and djokovic, two boring players,
Lendll had a better career than Sampras, too. 300 more wins, and a significantly higher winning percentage, 81.6% to 77.4 %. Although he won fewer majors, he made ti to more finals (19-18), more semis (by four), and more quarters (by four). Ivan never won Wimbledon, but did win three other grass tournaments, although he hardly played on grass, and made it to seven semifinals at Wimbledon, and two finals. Pete only reached one French Open semifinal, and two other quarters. He also lost in the first or second round at the French seven times in a row. Ivan won 94 tournaments, Pete won 64. Ivan reached the finals of the US Open 8 years in a row, and the finals of the year end championship 9 years in a row, winning five times. Ivan was great on 3 different surfaces, and Pete was only great on two. Pete chalked up half his slam wins on a surface (grass) that no one grew up on, and only played for one month a year as pros. Ivan dominated on the other two surfaces. Pete did have more weeks at number one, 286-270, but Ivan had way more weeks in the top 3 and the top ten. The H2H was 5-3 for Pete, but they never played on clay, and two of the wins for Pete came after Ivan had developed the back trouble that ended his career. They were both great, but Ivan has the better argument, IMHO.
Beautiful Lendl forehand , similar to the Sampras forehand , but Lendl seems very side on vs Pete’s hitting off the right leg open stance . Two of the best forhands of all time , most penetrating in any court position.
at 2:50 mark two consecutive points with ferocious Lendl slice serves to Mac's BH in deuce court ... Mac getting a taste of his own medicine as he pulled into the alley exposing his entire court to defend
Thank you ever so much for posting this Matteodinenno. Could you please post the semi-final between John McEnroe and Boris Becker? Many thanks in advance, Jocelyn
Nope. Possible by physical training, not the long stroke motion and taking one step back to get room for the swing Lendl used. Agassi closer to modern play. Approach the ball, not stepping back. Watch Wilander keep Lendl behind the base line with soft backspin shots as in the US open final 88 and you see why Lendl is NOT playing modern tennis.
Lendll was the first to hit anything like a modern forehand. Six years before Agassi. Andre improved the technique, using a bigger racket. But Ivan's forehand was similar to Sampras's, and even Federer's (except he didn't hop like Fed does). It was the first forehand that could blow a competitor off the court with consistent raw power and placement. @@SuperHammaren
He had a hard forehand. But he did not play modern tennis. He was the last hurrah of the old style. As good you could play by taking a step back and wait down the ball instead of approaching. As modern players do. Talking forehand technique this is another comparison: ruclips.net/video/6MBymuwSvgg/видео.html . But Lendls forehand is harder. true.
@matteodinenno Thank you my friend. I too have this also in Italian but only the 3rd 4th and 5th set. Average video quality. If you got in excellent quality all of the final can you upload this?
mcnroe was still convinced that there was a world wide conspiracy to make him lose. But he had already committed to restrain and good behaviour after he realized during the 1988 French open how much people hated is freaking temper.
DOVE SONO FINITE LE RACCHETTE DI LEGNO PESANTI CON IL MANICO GRANDE IL DISCO PICCOLO ED IL BEL TENNIS FATTO DI TRAETTORIE E COLPI STRAORDINARI CHE DIPINGEVANO IL CAMPO?
Is that the match where Mac hits the winning shot on match point between the net post and the net, and Ivan goes crazy? I just talked to a professional linesman about that. He said the chair umpire was correct. If they don't string the net correctly, and the ball goes between the net and the post, without touching the post, it's a good shot!
It was totally destruction and humiliation. The last six matches Lendl won easily. McEnroe was stubborn. He did not understand that, he can not go on net after second serve.
Always hated the narrative that Lendl was weak at net. Was he Becker, McEnroe, Edberg great at net? No, of course not. But those guys were ATG level net players. Lendl, especially once he hooked up with Roche became easily an above average net player.
Lendl was an attacker and won Wimbledon as a junior. His inside-out forehand was used to gain the net by attacking his opponent on backhand side. Then, his powerful groundstrokes and the ability to close the point directly from the baseline, especially with the forehand, led his coaches, especially Fibak, to focus only on the serve, on grass, and to improve his consistency , on clay, adding topspin to the backhand. At the time, unfortunately, everyone was convinced that a baseliner had to imitate Borg. Lendl himself was not a courageous player and preferred to work on the least risky tactics.
89 was a good year for McEnroe but Lendl was a Better player than him. 89 was McEnroe's best year After 1985. Anyway if McEnroe would hired a coach for 1986 and years After he could practice more and improve his game. In 1986/87/88 he took 2/3 month breaks from playing, Probably for his private Life.
With raquets of this era none of the current big 3 rafa roger and noel would have matched lendl. And to that heavier balls that they poay with nowadays and he would have killed them
McEnroe dated Patty Smythe of Vandals fame around that time and when two 'rock stars' get together in the NYC celebrity scene it becomes a game of 'who can do the most cocaine.' Combine all that with Lendl's push into off-court training and it's too much. Motivation or lack thereof surely reared its ugly head. Hell, around that time I vividly recall McEnroe sipping on a can of Coca-Cola on the court during change overs. Coke still had coke in it back then(?) ...LoL...so maybe he knew something... anyways what a wonderful time to be alive. I recommend McEnroe's (auto)biography, a worthwhile read.
I agree JK, once the kids came along who grew up with the new tech, Johnny Mac was in trouble…Edberg, Becker, even Chang, and once Ivan made the complete transition….it was amazing that Mac could keep his game going for so long (and still) @JK 64
@JK 64 Curren beat Edberg in the 4th round, I knew it was somebody special. Very close match. Two tiebreaks. Kevin then blew Jimmy and John right out of the stadium. He wiped the floor with both in straight sets, no tiebreaks. Sets of 6-1 and a couple of 6-2 sets. Lendl lost to Leconte. Kevin had to be playing just unbelievably.
Lendl one of the greatest players ever. Totally dominant in the 80's
Lendl and Borg were teutonic groundstroke machines. They hit with so much topspin to clear the net and made very few errors to balls in play. Absolutely incredible.
after a match lendl vs mcenroe, both with a smile. i can´t believe it. never seen
seems like Lendl is just crushing the ball. It's crazy to think of how hard he would be hitting with today's strings and racquets. Certainly wouldn't want to be on the otherside trying to volley
02:28 wonderful point by Ivan !!! They say he didn t have the touch... but you can t make shot like that if you have only power... he really was a great player! 👍👍👍
Ivan lendl is my all time hero in sports, he is the greatest legend of all time
Perfect fitness, powerful strokes ..lendl at the top of his game
the last master played by mcenroe and the last master played in madison square garden
Lendl always looked confident serving
Lendl was inspired that day. Stunning display. Mc Enroe played well, but it was just too much power and accuracy for him to handle.
Perhaps inspired by the WCT defeat I think earlier that year?
Lendl at his Lethal Best !!
Great Lendl, the strongest at that time. But McEnroe was in slow motion; He was the Shadow of himself 1984.
But he beat Lendl 3 out of 4 times in '85. Funny thing....Mac beat Ivan the first two times they played, when Ivan was 19 turning 20. Then Ivan beat him 6 times in a row when Mac was the dominant player. then Mac beat Ivan 7 out of 8, and 11 out of 14. Then I van beat him 11 out of 12. Ivan just kept improving, and John just kept declining. Discipline wins in the long run.
Lendl....what a backhand!
It was considered his weaker side…it took a while for him to develop it….much like Sampras. Pete's BH was not as constantly good.
Lendl won 11 of their last 12 matches. His serve, power strokes and flicking passing shots were too good.
Great stat
Plus, McEnroe didn't develop his game at all..
He played the Hollywood 'rock star' and paid the price.
His first service percentage was ridiculous, and his 2nd service was weak.
And his returns were too passive and he was not aggressive enough.
Lendl said recently that McEnroe lost his level. I'm thinking of the discussion with Wilander, McEnroe and Becker. Lendl suggested to Becker that he'd never seen the real McEnroe.
Did I see lendl talking and smiling to Mac on the hand shake ??? Go on son, you just proved the world you've got feelings !!!
😂😂😂,but of court he was known for his practical jokes.
Match à sens unique pour Lendl qui prend sa revanche ,après un match mouvementé en demi finale de Dallas cette année là.Magique les matchs entre ces deux joueurs
Mcenroe était bien meilleur que Lendl
Lendl at the very peak of his prowess here. One of the best matches he has played against McEnroe👍
incredible performance by Lendl
Niveau mental et charisme,difficile de trouver mieux que ces joueurs
Lendl had a better career than Mac despite the hype. More majors, more titles overall, more weeks #1, and head to head win adv over Mac.
Hate to break it to you but Mac accomplished more in tennis than Lendl ever did. Mac had more Davis Cups wins and more major doubles wins than Lendl. Sure Lendl had a slight edge over Mac in singles, but he sucked in doubles so if you look at the whole picture Mac had a better tennis career than Lendl.
Mac was just a loudmouth.
@@michaelrobbins282 But Mac had/has the worse character, no manners, and no sportsmanship. He should not have been allowed to ever play on the ATP tour.
yes djokovic could also beat all federer's records ! but, the facts are : mc enroe was a genius, that everybody loved to watch play, and federer is the best tennis player of all times, what ever happens with djokovic's records ! lendl and djokovic, two boring players,
Lendll had a better career than Sampras, too. 300 more wins, and a significantly higher winning percentage, 81.6% to 77.4 %. Although he won fewer majors, he made ti to more finals (19-18), more semis (by four), and more quarters (by four). Ivan never won Wimbledon, but did win three other grass tournaments, although he hardly played on grass, and made it to seven semifinals at Wimbledon, and two finals. Pete only reached one French Open semifinal, and two other quarters. He also lost in the first or second round at the French seven times in a row. Ivan won 94 tournaments, Pete won 64. Ivan reached the finals of the US Open 8 years in a row, and the finals of the year end championship 9 years in a row, winning five times. Ivan was great on 3 different surfaces, and Pete was only great on two. Pete chalked up half his slam wins on a surface (grass) that no one grew up on, and only played for one month a year as pros. Ivan dominated on the other two surfaces. Pete did have more weeks at number one, 286-270, but Ivan had way more weeks in the top 3 and the top ten. The H2H was 5-3 for Pete, but they never played on clay, and two of the wins for Pete came after Ivan had developed the back trouble that ended his career. They were both great, but Ivan has the better argument, IMHO.
Beautiful Lendl forehand , similar to the Sampras forehand , but Lendl seems very side on vs Pete’s hitting off the right leg open stance . Two of the best forhands of all time , most penetrating in any court position.
jonh thanks for all
at 2:50 mark two consecutive points with ferocious Lendl slice serves to Mac's BH in deuce court ... Mac getting a taste of his own medicine as he pulled into the alley exposing his entire court to defend
Lendl is the best tennis player of all time
er no
Very brutal from Lendl! No chance for Mac!
Thank you ever so much for posting this Matteodinenno. Could you please post the semi-final between John McEnroe and Boris Becker? Many thanks in advance, Jocelyn
Imho Lendl's best looking outfit. His last Adidas.
0:40 1:21 2:29 2:39 3:00 3:50 4:47 5:27 6:00 6:47 7:16 7:47 8:08 8:15 10:02 11:54 13:42 14:00 14:20 14:42 Just in case you don't have time !
No love loss between these 2 players. Lendl just played flawless match and is a fierce competitor. If he gets you down, he stomps you!
The court looks funny with just the singles lines
I have this match, with italian commentary (by Rino Tommasi).
Per favore pubblicalo!!!🙏
@@raff75 Mica ricordo a quale partita alludevo. Perché questa non ce l'ho con la telecronaca italiana.
@@matteodinenno Ah ok.. pensavo ce l'avessi, con il commento di Rino Tommasi. Sarebbe stato il top!
@@raff75 Rino Tommasi e Gianni Clerici! Erano uno spasso.
lendl = father or modern tennis....
Nope. Possible by physical training, not the long stroke motion and taking one step back to get room for the swing Lendl used. Agassi closer to modern play. Approach the ball, not stepping back. Watch Wilander keep Lendl behind the base line with soft backspin shots as in the US open final 88 and you see why Lendl is NOT playing modern tennis.
Lendll was the first to hit anything like a modern forehand. Six years before Agassi. Andre improved the technique, using a bigger racket. But Ivan's forehand was similar to Sampras's, and even Federer's (except he didn't hop like Fed does). It was the first forehand that could blow a competitor off the court with consistent raw power and placement. @@SuperHammaren
He had a hard forehand. But he did not play modern tennis. He was the last hurrah of the old style. As good you could play by taking a step back and wait down the ball instead of approaching. As modern players do. Talking forehand technique this is another comparison: ruclips.net/video/6MBymuwSvgg/видео.html . But Lendls forehand is harder. true.
ripperduck yes, that’s right, The Father of Modern Tennis!!!
Lendl in the zone here!
Mc Enroe was killed and his blood sucked by Draculendl that day (and other days too) .
@matteodinenno Thank you my friend. I too have this also in Italian but only the 3rd 4th and 5th set. Average video quality. If you got in excellent quality all of the final can you upload this?
@matteodinenno Thanks my friend. Would you have ALL of the 1983 World Championship Tennis (WCT) Final ?
Macenroe had the physique of a teen age girl....
Sorry, i don't have that match at the moment...
mcnroe was still convinced that there was a world wide conspiracy to make him lose. But he had already committed to restrain and good behaviour after he realized during the 1988 French open how much people hated is freaking temper.
Ridiculous comment. Are you drunk?
DOVE SONO FINITE LE RACCHETTE DI LEGNO PESANTI CON IL MANICO GRANDE IL DISCO PICCOLO ED IL BEL TENNIS FATTO DI TRAETTORIE E COLPI STRAORDINARI CHE DIPINGEVANO IL CAMPO?
@matteodinenno Yes, McEnroe won 6-2,4-6,6-3,6-7,7-6. Had a very controversial end to the final set tiebreak.
Is that the match where Mac hits the winning shot on match point between the net post and the net, and Ivan goes crazy? I just talked to a professional linesman about that. He said the chair umpire was correct. If they don't string the net correctly, and the ball goes between the net and the post, without touching the post, it's a good shot!
Super Brat got a serious spankin' !
this match is a butchery ! mac was late on every ball
It was totally destruction and humiliation. The last six matches Lendl won easily. McEnroe was stubborn. He did not understand that, he can not go on net after second serve.
Always hated the narrative that Lendl was weak at net. Was he Becker, McEnroe, Edberg great at net? No, of course not. But those guys were ATG level net players. Lendl, especially once he hooked up with Roche became easily an above average net player.
Lendl was an attacker and won Wimbledon as a junior. His inside-out forehand was used to gain the net by attacking his opponent on backhand side. Then, his powerful groundstrokes and the ability to close the point directly from the baseline, especially with the forehand, led his coaches, especially Fibak, to focus only on the serve, on grass, and to improve his consistency , on clay, adding topspin to the backhand. At the time, unfortunately, everyone was convinced that a baseliner had to imitate Borg. Lendl himself was not a courageous player and preferred to work on the least risky tactics.
Lendl teallu kicking the shit the shit out of mcenroe :)
89 was a good year for McEnroe but Lendl was a Better player than him.
89 was McEnroe's best year After 1985.
Anyway if McEnroe would hired a coach for 1986 and years After he could practice more and improve his game.
In 1986/87/88 he took 2/3 month breaks from playing,
Probably for his private Life.
With raquets of this era none of the current big 3 rafa roger and noel would have matched lendl. And to that heavier balls that they poay with nowadays and he would have killed them
What happend to Lendl and Mcenroe from 1984 on ? Mcenroe seems so much slower than 1984. Or had Lendl just improved that much ?
McEnroe dated Patty Smythe of Vandals fame around that time and when two 'rock stars' get together in the NYC celebrity scene it becomes a game of 'who can do the most cocaine.' Combine all that with Lendl's push into off-court training and it's too much. Motivation or lack thereof surely reared its ugly head. Hell, around that time I vividly recall McEnroe sipping on a can of Coca-Cola on the court during change overs. Coke still had coke in it back then(?) ...LoL...so maybe he knew something... anyways what a wonderful time to be alive. I recommend McEnroe's (auto)biography, a worthwhile read.
I honestly think it had more to do with McEnroe declining. The great Ivan Lendl has said as much.
Lendl in his prime ('87-'89)
McEnroe 5 yrs past his ('84)
On the senior tour Lendl is no match for Superbrat
Lendl is damn near a cripple. He could care less if he wins/loses, he just wants a paycheck...
Lol!0:20 John like WTF was it?
McEnroe dominated in an era of wooden rackets. When the technology changed to graphite, a lighter weight racket, he didn't dominate much anymore.
Gotta marvel at Lendl's skill with a racket that had a sweet spot the size of a pea.
You have no idea what are you talking about. Mac's best season was in 1984 when he used a graphite racket his record that year was 82-3.
I agree JK, once the kids came along who grew up with the new tech, Johnny Mac was in trouble…Edberg, Becker, even Chang, and once Ivan made the complete transition….it was amazing that Mac could keep his game going for so long (and still) @JK 64
@JK 64 He also beat Lendl and Connors on that run, if I remember, but got housed by a 17 year old Becker in the final...no one saw that coming!
@JK 64 Curren beat Edberg in the 4th round, I knew it was somebody special. Very close match. Two tiebreaks. Kevin then blew Jimmy and John right out of the stadium. He wiped the floor with both in straight sets, no tiebreaks. Sets of 6-1 and a couple of 6-2 sets. Lendl lost to Leconte. Kevin had to be playing just unbelievably.
mcenroe inapted to win against lendl
Dallas won by McEnroe?
I have exactly the same tape. Sorry
Penso che MC Enroe non si volesse bene una partita condotta al suicidio
lendl just crushed mcenroe
Lendl was as exciting as a bag of hair!
Lendl l.uomo più antipatico del mondo