In my days of offroad racing and other forms of Motorsports I learned to trust my safety equipment and the rollcage ! I would never get into a race car of any type without adequate belts etc. if I can’t trust the car to handle anything, then I won’t get into it! My HANS device has done it job on several occasions! Thank you,D.V.
Well David glad you survived that crash of 59 and making us think a bit more about our own safety when racing. Safety is one of those things thats not necessarily fun or glamorous but is a very important part of the racing sport.
I really wanted to road race. I had very good car control, but my father was very against me racing. In the 70's safety equipement was much better than in the 50's and 60's. It is far superior today, but racing is a dangerous sport. I am not interested in open wheel, sedans only.
When you get serious about running on racetracks a proper seat, harness, and roll cage become a must as insurance. It is also important to have them installed properly and use them properly. See fatality details about posthumous F1 champion Jochen Rindt's crash. Improper use of his 5 point harness.
Thank you DV. Dont forget the role of seat belt stretch. The human body is limited in some orientations because the aorta tears from the heart. I think the limit is that above 50 odd gs applied direct to the body the fatality rate soars. Good belts are designed to stretch and limit this maximum transient g. Side note, always cut and discsrd any belt which has been in an accident as it wil have stretched but you cant see it.
Safety first, alot of great racers and drivers are gone but not forgotten and very missed in the racing community. Yes, i like the new logo! Would love a shirt! Anything gained from DV has made my knowldege base increase and gottten me to think outside the box and think about the unknow! I have become more mechanically and technically inclined watching you than i have learned in any other publications. Thank so much for all you do!
RCI-9210CPL @ Summit Racing has been my go-to belt kit for over 20 years! it comes with Wrap Around and Bolt In brackets and has an anti-Submarine belt that can be set up as either 5 point or 6 point. And the company will re-web them and re-certify them. The belting is polyester and will stretch less than nylon belts so they are safer.
I like that this is one of the only channels on RUclips where safety is just as important as teaching the right way to build reliable HP. I would purchase a shirt with the logo.
A few year's ago 20 odd,they had a cannonball run,from Darwin to Kununurra, some rich wankers,decided to run straight through the checkout, destroying the Ferrari killing themselves and others,,thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones
As far as Fire suits go, Using the Nomex underwear doubles the effectiveness of the suit. Also do not forget the Head Sock (balaclava), Gloves, and Nomex Socks. You can work with a burned arm but not burned Feet, Hands, or Face! If not using the underwear make sure everything under the suit is cotton. No blends. Blends will melt into your skin causing more damage than the burn in many cases. The SFI rating of a suit 3.2A/5 for example gives you10 seconds contact with flame before you get a second degree burn. Food for thought.
In the Navy while stationed in Iceland, I took R&R to London for a week;( wonderful time) . We flew into Mildenhall on a C43 prop plane; (military version of a DC3 ). The seats were facing backwards. It was odd for me because I was used to flying in 727 passenger jets. The little C43 encountered some rough air for a while, and not ashamed to say, I did get air sick for a few minutes. Luckily, the Navy provided sick sacs in the seat backs. I do understand the advantage for that type of seating for a crash. Flying back to Keflavik, I was ok with the ride. Thanks for your discussion on this topic.
David, thank you for highlighting this. A couple of points about seat belt design in the 1960's in UK. My father had a 1962 Ford Zodiac that came with static seat belts that had two issues that would be considered poor design today, 1) The upper seat belt mount caused the belt to rub on my father's neck making it very sore (red raw) so he declined to wear it. 2. The seats were leather bench seats without head rests so that there was always a strong possibility of very serious whiplash injuries. I had a Renault 16 that had static belts but those belts didn't allow you to reach the umbrella handbrake under the dash. I religiously wore my seat belt but had to resort to kicking the handbrake off and when it came to stopping at upward sloping junctions it was a case of clutch slipping and heeling and toeing to get moving. I put a pair of 3 point harnesses in my road rally car that I used as a daily driver and found that they inspired a surprising amount of confidence emanating from the extra control that they gave. I wore those belts all the time. Whilst I don't disagree with your comments about how to fit a full harness seat belt I would say however, that in a road car used on the highway that the lap portion of the belt should be firm and across the hip bones (not across the stomach as I have seen some wear them) but the shoulder belts should be comfortable and not so tight as to restrict movement. Apart from the comfort aspect, if you are struggling to reach controls that will most definitely result in poor driving and negate the advantage of full harness belts. It goes without saying that the seat must be fitted with an adequate head restraint By all means fit the seat belts tight for racing purposes. Lap belts IMO should be outlawed and the idiots that use them sectioned. In an accident they allow the torso to rotate around the belt probably resulting in the face at least being smashed into the dashboard, any padding on that dash is unlikely to save you from blunt force trauma. Also, because the lower section of the torso is restrained, massive internal injuries will be inflicted in the softest part of the body. There is no excuse that the car is only fitted with lap belt fixing points because you can always add additional fixing even if its a classic car worth £Ms. My last pet gripe is when I see idiots not wearing the shoulder belt properly on a lap and diagonal belt. Either the belt is draping off the shoulder because the upper mount is set too low or they have put the belt under the armpit! Let's not forget that the seatbelt can only function so long as the seat is held firmly in position, even in the most serious of crashes.
Wow, I would never guess 200 stitches had gone anywhere near your face and without anesthesia either. Unbelievable, thank you for being very very fixated on doing safety, right everyone goes out with seatbelts only and it’s never adequate.!!!
Interesting idea. The only thing I can think of is it would be a little hairy during runway exceleration and climb out as everyone would be semi dangling from their belts and if anyone at the front of the plane got sick. The vomit would spray in a nice stratified trajectory all over all 200 passengers. Ok the last part was an exaduration. But the idea of it would make people reluctant to step aboard. I think the best way is face forward and avoid any newer boeings.
Hi DV in Australia the use of racing harnesses in cars is illegal without engineering being done. This also often means that the back seat of the car can no longer be used for passengers.
its even more bizarre i tried to register a 1964 English convertible it only had (if it had anything at all) a 2 point belt (lap belt) i put in a 3 point belt (later model over shoulder) built up by an licencing approved seat belt builder - licensing refused to allow the 3 point belt
David, a little off-topic but related to safety. One of the first things many racers do to their cars is to remove the aircon, it obviously is done to save weight and shed some parasitic power loss. Overheated drivers make bad decisions, in fact they literally become "hot headed", I realise this may not be an issue with drag-racing but for circuit racing optimising the car at the expense of impairing the driver may not be the smartest move. How many cars have left the track at high speed due to an overheated driver? I suspect it is a significant factor...
Looking back I find it frightening that I did high speeds in cars with neither seatbelts nor basic crash safety. You may be surprised to find that despite my interest in motorsport I drive a Volvo. A company that have done a lot for occupant safety. Drag racing arguably has different types of impacts, often resulting in the car tumbling while shedding energy. A car on a circuit tends to leave a bend on a tangent.
Thanks for the pep-talk on safety. In motor sport (even just spirited street driving), it can be very testosterone/adrenaline-fuelled, and unless the precautionary principle is enacted prior to turning the key, it could lead to some rather terrible consequences. Regarding airliner seatbelts, I can't vouch for how representative of a real airliner crash the test was, but the Mythbusters did a test and compared the standard passenger position to the rear-facing harnessed position of the cabin crew. Their test showed that the standard passengers fared better than the crew. Again, I can't vouch for the validity of their test, and I'm certainly not being critical, but the Mythbusters' test might be an indication that there's more to the situation than is initially obvious. That being said, with the seats being crammed in ever more tightly, surely it's going to get to the point where people will break their necks on the seat in front of them, where they would've survived with larger seat spacing.
🇦🇬 Hi DV, I remember about 30-35 years ago, I saw a science program in which someone developed a car seat on rails, that during an accident, it would slide forward and up at an angle, (maybe 10-15°) converting the forward momentum into vertical momentum, during a head-on collision. The developers even did live driver tests to prove that at greater and greater speeds, a seatbelt was not required. Sorry, can’t remember the name of the program. 🙇🏾♂️
I would also purchase a shirt with the Logo. I got some hooks in my car to snap the race harness in - for daily driving with 4 persons just remove them in 5 minutes. and use the original 3 point seat belts
I always wondered why not have big parachutes on planes. Most plane crashes would have enough advanced notice of doom to be able to deploy them sure at that point it takes away any pilot control but hitting stuff at 60-80 mph way better than 200!!
Most of the helicopter flights I've ever been on had 4 point harnesses... and top speed was 130mph or lower. I think that says quite a lot. Shoes? I kind of wish rock climbing boots came with a nomex option for track days - anything designed for smearing bridges feel [underfoot] and supports well enough.
Safety always, crashes, i've had my share of them and bodily harm is no laughing matter, the sudden stop is what creates the "G" forces...what if there was a seat belt anchor that was rigid, but in event of a crash would " give" a little, allowing the body and internal organs a chance to reduce the sudden stop into a less sudden stop ..i thought about a cog type mechanism with plastic teeth that would sheer off one by one giving that seat belt some milimeters of length by each tooth that sheared off and then after a few teeth sheared off become rigid again...a one time use device that has to be disposed off afterwards, no chance of someone salvaging it in a junk yard
Part of the problem is during take off some of the climbs the plane takes is a fairly steep angle and you'd feel like your going to fall out of your seat. I'm sure there are mechanical ways to counter this during take off but all of that would add to cost of the plane and weight. Not some thing the air lines are willing to do.
I'm not a big fan of air bags or factory seat belts. I know 2 people are alive because they had neither. That said, for most people it's a good idea, just not all.
I love the grounded reality of this channel!! Retirement took a toll on my finances, but with my involvement in the digital market, $15,000 weekly returns has been life changing AWESOME GOD ❤️
🔔😎🇺🇲 Ive just been searching for 3 point belts for my '63. Id like to find some like the '69 Pontiac 3 point non retractable that were two separate belts that could be conected at the buckle end. Anybody know of any?
Part time Fatality crash inspector for a State Owned enterprise from 1993 to 2017 using TRRL British Pendulum Tester and Varicom Accelerometer. It's so sad to see great people loosing life by not being able to read the road conditions. At night, you cannot tell. Riders helmets. Safety Belts. And having an aeronautical background. Love your grounded advice. 🥝✔️ I narrowly missed getting hit by Skylab on its reentry in 1979. Glad I was in New Zealand, not Adelaide.🛰️..
David thanks for addressing safety. I don’t race but I like to drive my hopped up 44 year old Bronco fast, and I need a roll cage at minimum
In my days of offroad racing and other forms of Motorsports I learned to trust my safety equipment and the rollcage ! I would never get into a race car of any type without adequate belts etc. if I can’t trust the car to handle anything, then I won’t get into it! My HANS device has done it job on several occasions! Thank you,D.V.
Thank You David, I wish there were more PSA's with you're detailed message.
Well David glad you survived that crash of 59 and making us think a bit more about our own safety when racing. Safety is one of those things thats not necessarily fun or glamorous but is a very important part of the racing sport.
Great show
I really wanted to road race. I had very good car control, but my father was very against me racing. In the 70's safety equipement was much better than in the 50's and 60's. It is far superior today, but racing is a dangerous sport. I am not interested in open wheel, sedans only.
Thank you for the reminder that few of us think about. One of your most important presentations.
Thank you for sharing your story ❤ it’s a great reminder to take safety seriously
When you get serious about running on racetracks a proper seat, harness, and roll cage become a must as insurance. It is also important to have them installed properly and use them properly. See fatality details about posthumous F1 champion Jochen Rindt's crash. Improper use of his 5 point harness.
Thank you DV. Dont forget the role of seat belt stretch. The human body is limited in some orientations because the aorta tears from the heart. I think the limit is that above 50 odd gs applied direct to the body the fatality rate soars. Good belts are designed to stretch and limit this maximum transient g. Side note, always cut and discsrd any belt which has been in an accident as it wil have stretched but you cant see it.
Safety first, alot of great racers and drivers are gone but not forgotten and very missed in the racing community. Yes, i like the new logo! Would love a shirt! Anything gained from DV has made my knowldege base increase and gottten me to think outside the box and think about the unknow! I have become more mechanically and technically inclined watching you than i have learned in any other publications. Thank so much for all you do!
RCI-9210CPL @ Summit Racing has been my go-to belt kit for over 20 years!
it comes with Wrap Around and Bolt In brackets and has an anti-Submarine belt that can be set up as either 5 point or 6 point. And the company will re-web them and re-certify them. The belting is polyester and will stretch less than nylon belts so they are safer.
I like that this is one of the only channels on RUclips where safety is just as important as teaching the right way to build reliable HP. I would purchase a shirt with the logo.
No matter where you go, there you are.
Every time I see you there you are
Is somebody crying ?
A few year's ago 20 odd,they had a cannonball run,from Darwin to Kununurra, some rich wankers,decided to run straight through the checkout, destroying the Ferrari killing themselves and others,,thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones
Thank you, David, for all the help you provide
The automotive industry lost an icon in Mr. Block's death😭.
As far as Fire suits go, Using the Nomex underwear doubles the effectiveness of the suit. Also do not forget the Head Sock (balaclava), Gloves, and Nomex Socks. You can work with a burned arm but not burned Feet, Hands, or Face! If not using the underwear make sure everything under the suit is cotton. No blends. Blends will melt into your skin causing more damage than the burn in many cases. The SFI rating of a suit 3.2A/5 for example gives you10 seconds contact with flame before you get a second degree burn. Food for thought.
In the Navy while stationed in Iceland, I took R&R to London for a week;( wonderful time) . We flew into Mildenhall on a C43 prop plane; (military version of a DC3 ). The seats were facing backwards. It was odd for me because I was used to flying in 727 passenger jets. The little C43 encountered some rough air for a while, and not ashamed to say, I did get air sick for a few minutes. Luckily, the Navy provided sick sacs in the seat backs. I do understand the advantage for that type of seating for a crash. Flying back to Keflavik, I was ok with the ride. Thanks for your discussion on this topic.
David, thank you for highlighting this.
A couple of points about seat belt design in the 1960's in UK. My father had a 1962 Ford Zodiac that came with static seat belts that had two issues that would be considered poor design today, 1) The upper seat belt mount caused the belt to rub on my father's neck making it very sore (red raw) so he declined to wear it. 2. The seats were leather bench seats without head rests so that there was always a strong possibility of very serious whiplash injuries. I had a Renault 16 that had static belts but those belts didn't allow you to reach the umbrella handbrake under the dash. I religiously wore my seat belt but had to resort to kicking the handbrake off and when it came to stopping at upward sloping junctions it was a case of clutch slipping and heeling and toeing to get moving.
I put a pair of 3 point harnesses in my road rally car that I used as a daily driver and found that they inspired a surprising amount of confidence emanating from the extra control that they gave. I wore those belts all the time.
Whilst I don't disagree with your comments about how to fit a full harness seat belt I would say however, that in a road car used on the highway that the lap portion of the belt should be firm and across the hip bones (not across the stomach as I have seen some wear them) but the shoulder belts should be comfortable and not so tight as to restrict movement. Apart from the comfort aspect, if you are struggling to reach controls that will most definitely result in poor driving and negate the advantage of full harness belts. It goes without saying that the seat must be fitted with an adequate head restraint By all means fit the seat belts tight for racing purposes.
Lap belts IMO should be outlawed and the idiots that use them sectioned. In an accident they allow the torso to rotate around the belt probably resulting in the face at least being smashed into the dashboard, any padding on that dash is unlikely to save you from blunt force trauma. Also, because the lower section of the torso is restrained, massive internal injuries will be inflicted in the softest part of the body. There is no excuse that the car is only fitted with lap belt fixing points because you can always add additional fixing even if its a classic car worth £Ms.
My last pet gripe is when I see idiots not wearing the shoulder belt properly on a lap and diagonal belt. Either the belt is draping off the shoulder because the upper mount is set too low or they have put the belt under the armpit!
Let's not forget that the seatbelt can only function so long as the seat is held firmly in position, even in the most serious of crashes.
Wow, I would never guess 200 stitches had gone anywhere near your face and without anesthesia either. Unbelievable, thank you for being very very fixated on doing safety, right everyone goes out with seatbelts only and it’s never adequate.!!!
Thanks,,last thing you think of and one of the most important!
Thanks DV. VERY IMPORTANT. SAFTY FIRST!
Thank you David you are a wealth of Knowledge!!!
Interesting idea. The only thing I can think of is it would be a little hairy during runway exceleration and climb out as everyone would be semi dangling from their belts and if anyone at the front of the plane got sick. The vomit would spray in a nice stratified trajectory all over all 200 passengers.
Ok the last part was an exaduration. But the idea of it would make people reluctant to step aboard. I think the best way is face forward and avoid any newer boeings.
Hi DV in Australia the use of racing harnesses in cars is illegal without engineering being done. This also often means that the back seat of the car can no longer be used for passengers.
its even more bizarre i tried to register a 1964 English convertible it only had (if it had anything at all) a 2 point belt (lap belt) i put in a 3 point belt (later model over shoulder) built up by an licencing approved seat belt builder - licensing refused to allow the 3 point belt
Lifeboats at offhore installations even have a headstrap to avoid high impact g force when its dropped.
I might start calling you Rocky DV since you sink like a rock lol ... really good video so many don’t take safety serious enough ... thank you
Great video David definitely very good info
David, a little off-topic but related to safety. One of the first things many racers do to their cars is to remove the aircon, it obviously is done to save weight and shed some parasitic power loss. Overheated drivers make bad decisions, in fact they literally become "hot headed", I realise this may not be an issue with drag-racing but for circuit racing optimising the car at the expense of impairing the driver may not be the smartest move. How many cars have left the track at high speed due to an overheated driver? I suspect it is a significant factor...
Looking back I find it frightening that I did high speeds in cars with neither seatbelts nor basic crash safety. You may be surprised to find that despite my interest in motorsport I drive a Volvo. A company that have done a lot for occupant safety. Drag racing arguably has different types of impacts, often resulting in the car tumbling while shedding energy. A car on a circuit tends to leave a bend on a tangent.
Thanks for the pep-talk on safety. In motor sport (even just spirited street driving), it can be very testosterone/adrenaline-fuelled, and unless the precautionary principle is enacted prior to turning the key, it could lead to some rather terrible consequences.
Regarding airliner seatbelts, I can't vouch for how representative of a real airliner crash the test was, but the Mythbusters did a test and compared the standard passenger position to the rear-facing harnessed position of the cabin crew. Their test showed that the standard passengers fared better than the crew. Again, I can't vouch for the validity of their test, and I'm certainly not being critical, but the Mythbusters' test might be an indication that there's more to the situation than is initially obvious. That being said, with the seats being crammed in ever more tightly, surely it's going to get to the point where people will break their necks on the seat in front of them, where they would've survived with larger seat spacing.
Good video, I like all of your videos, Bravo! :)
love the new logo
Most school buses in the US don't have any belts. Backwards seats are a good idea,
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Hi DV,
I remember about 30-35 years ago, I saw a science program in which someone developed a car seat on rails, that during an accident, it would slide forward and up at an angle, (maybe 10-15°) converting the forward momentum into vertical momentum, during a head-on collision. The developers even did live driver tests to prove that at greater and greater speeds, a seatbelt was not required. Sorry, can’t remember the name of the program.
🙇🏾♂️
I would also purchase a shirt with the Logo.
I got some hooks in my car to snap the race harness in - for daily driving with 4 persons just remove them in 5 minutes. and use the original 3 point seat belts
I always wondered why not have big parachutes on planes. Most plane crashes would have enough advanced notice of doom to be able to deploy them sure at that point it takes away any pilot control but hitting stuff at 60-80 mph way better than 200!!
It's not the Speed that kills you, it's the Sudden STOP
Most of the helicopter flights I've ever been on had 4 point harnesses... and top speed was 130mph or lower. I think that says quite a lot. Shoes? I kind of wish rock climbing boots came with a nomex option for track days - anything designed for smearing bridges feel [underfoot] and supports well enough.
Glad you survived
👍Great advice man!
Thnx. Fantastic info.
🔔😎🇺🇲
Damn fine video.
Thank you David.
Safety always, crashes, i've had my share of them and bodily harm is no laughing matter, the sudden stop is what creates the "G" forces...what if there was a seat belt anchor that was rigid, but in event of a crash would " give" a little, allowing the body and internal organs a chance to reduce the sudden stop into a less sudden stop ..i thought about a cog type mechanism with plastic teeth that would sheer off one by one giving that seat belt some milimeters of length by each tooth that sheared off and then after a few teeth sheared off become rigid again...a one time use device that has to be disposed off afterwards, no chance of someone salvaging it in a junk yard
Vw/Audi etc German cars have this since a long long time, you can look it up
I tried riding my bicycle seated backwards once. Definitely ended in a crash.
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I never feel safe in a car without my seatbelt on.
Angel was lookin out for you that day!!!
Been saying turn around the aircraft seat for 50 or so years ,,, ! ,,, the aircraft industry doesn't want any references to crashing , at all ,,, !
I slacked off on seat belts. I was wearing one when I wrecked my truck. Would ate my steering wheel otherwise.
Definately grab a t-shirt thanks
I think if you sit in an airplane backwards might feel sick?
Part of the problem is during take off some of the climbs the plane takes is a fairly steep angle and you'd feel like your going to fall out of your seat. I'm sure there are mechanical ways to counter this during take off but all of that would add to cost of the plane and weight. Not some thing the air lines are willing to do.
I rode backwards on a train while eating... ONCE... 😳😳😳
Can't fix n rebuild the car, if you don't survive. My father died racing
I'm not a big fan of air bags or factory seat belts. I know 2 people are alive because they had neither. That said, for most people it's a good idea, just not all.
What does the "10" represent in Powertec 10?
It was supposedly to designate a 10 min video. Sure failed in that direction!!!
I love the grounded reality of this channel!!
Retirement took a toll on my finances, but with my involvement in the digital market, $15,000 weekly returns has been life changing AWESOME GOD ❤️
If I may ask how you manage to earn so much..., what are your strategies??
Since meeting Expert Sarah, I now agree that with an expert managing your portfolio, the rate of profit is high, with less risk.
AS!! I know it's possible, I'd appreciate it if you showed me how to do it.
So you guys know her too?...
Wow she made my husband and I have our own house and car.
She is good! )
I keep hearing a lot about Ms. Sarah Rolston Burrows she must be really good
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Ive just been searching for 3 point belts for my '63.
Id like to find some like the '69 Pontiac 3 point non retractable that were two separate belts that could be conected at the buckle end. Anybody know of any?
Does anybody who races not think about seat belts?
Part time Fatality crash inspector for a State Owned enterprise from 1993 to 2017 using TRRL British Pendulum Tester and Varicom Accelerometer. It's so sad to see great people loosing life by not being able to read the road conditions. At night, you cannot tell.
Riders helmets. Safety Belts. And having an aeronautical background. Love your grounded advice. 🥝✔️
I narrowly missed getting hit by Skylab on its reentry in 1979. Glad I was in New Zealand, not Adelaide.🛰️..
In aviation we call that an Uncontrolled landing.. 🥲
What I can't understand is why planes don't have safety cells/safety cage.
Too much extra weight. Would have to shed about 20 passengers per flight. $$$ lost that would have gone to the CEO's bonus.