How About Some More Niche arguments that weren’t quite necessary for the complete and accurate conclusion but would still offer insight and answers to those who are curious? Thumbnail inspiration credit @ThunderGodTG Now while most of the arguments were compiled by me, like the subspace and entire FTG section, the Kurama Biju bomb assertion, the KCM1 Cloak being held by the Tetragram, along with a few others and though there was a lot more pieced together, I’m obviously not going to attribute those to myself seeing as some points just could be put together easily if you just read coherently. Although for the credited arguments not mentioned in the video, (from what I know) the discord scaler ‘Chrome’ brought up to Sage (who told me) that fourth Hokage is inscribed in the Toad scroll, the discord scaler ‘MyobokuMerchant’ first attributed a very similar argument to base Hashirama scaling under the wood style. And there is another argument that SageofThickCalves uses as a wincon for Minato that I don’t personally use but could be valid, and it’s that Minato could drop an opponent into the subspace as a BFR. The Naruto Storm Generations Cutscenes that are claimed to be canon to the anime (by Cyberconnect2) have Minato actually beating up both Hiruzen and Jiraiya for the title of hokage, proving further it’s a power point; although I would take it with a grain of salt, atleast for its canonicity because who are CyberConnect2 to claim something’s canon? You could also argue against those events by using Minato’s third Databook file which lists Jiraiya as who Minato would most like to fight, which could imply that haven’t fought. Another Minato’s argument commonly used to his benefit that I don’t think holds near as much water as people estimate would be Hiruzen showing active fear at the fight of Minato’s coffin raising (in his Orochimaru Fight.) the reason why is Hiruzen, yes, could be implying Minato is the most piwerful or most difficult to manage, sure but he is also facing already two kage so just another one isn’t going to help his case at all and it could be that third opponent being where Hiruzen drew the line in the amount of hokage level opponents he could battle at once. A way to support Minato’s narrative of being a savior you could also derive he was a savior to Kushina, as well with how she is paneled through the One Shot to be the princess in the tower, a damsel in distress if you will and Minato would be the savior to that. As for Minato’s sealing the one decade on hundred ninja guide has a common mistranslation of Minato being able to sever chakra. Another mistranslation would be the opening volume summary that VIZ localized to say “power rivaling the fourth hokage” when in fact neither Minato, nor fourth hokage are not mentioned whatsoever within the kanji. There are a total of 16 statement’s about “The Yellow Flash” eight are explicitly in reference to Jonin, four are explicitly hokage and four are left up for interpretation. Making it obviously much more likely that “The Yellow Flash” is a title explicitly use to identify Minato in a specific chronological setting rather than a general sense. Such a chart is also advantageous to the position of “The Yellow Flash being for either” as the term “fourth hokage” is used through all of part one as the method of identification of Minato’s character prior to knowing that more personalized name; making it way more likely that, again, “The Yellow Flash” is only in reference to Jonin Minato. (Shoutout to Sage for that collage which is available in his Server!) In chapter 419 Killer Bee states “Well that sharingan dude’s (identifying MS Sasuke) probably the toughest fellow I’ve ever fought” which could be interpreted as a method to place Minato under MA Sasuke’s according to Bee’s direct remembrance of Minato’s power. However this is simply both a mistranslation and a misinterpretation of the contextual implications; here’s the raw kanji: 今までやった奴らの中でもあの写輪眼は一・二を争うぐらい 強かったからな・・・which directly translating to “Out of all the guys (I’ve fought) up until now. That sharingan is competing for about first place because it’s strong…” (shoutout to TG for the translation.), This implies that in the basis of Sasuke’s possession and usage of the sharingan, (likely encapsulating the Amaterasu) Sasuke is competing with one other person for maybe, first place. The other character in question, is contextually the Raikage Ayy, as you can note comparisons between the two throughout the battle such as when Bee notes that Sasuke was the first besides his big bro to dodge his v1 speed. Therefore in culling this with the rhetoric and the already highly advanced lore for Jonin Minato, Bee isn’t accounting for that Minato and is likely just making a comparison between the Raikage during their sparing matches and Sasuke on the basis of his sharingan mastery. Minato is likely already in contention for the title of Hokage during his jonin days when Obito is taking the Chunin exams, seeing as Minato is overseeing the exams alongside Hiruzen (who is Hokage) in chapter 599, like how Shikamaru oversees Naruto’s work, Tobirama oversaw Hashirama’s work etc. Minato being above Tobirama and or the other homage in speed could be shown through his much weakened and insanely fatigued self fully reacting to Juubidara’s TSO projectiles, when Juubito (who is weaker and slower) was able to blitz through both Hiruzen and Tobirama with the TSO and their extension in Hiruzen’s case. The claim that Minato isn’t above base Hashirama on the basis of Kabuto stating that Hashirama is the only man who could beat Madara would just be Kabuto’s knowledge which is prone to be wrong as he admits to Madara when revived in chapter 559 that he doesn’t know what Madara’s power was like in its prime. He is simply making an inference based upon reputation, same goes for Hashirama who had numerous fairy tales circulating around his name. Tg has also just bought the Naruto: Land of Waves Novelization and pointed out a statement that states “He was the fourth Hokage of the Hidden Leaf Village, the best and strongest shinobi of all of them” this statements in comparison between Minato, the fourth Hokage and the Shinobi, in comparison to the catagory given, being the Hidern Leaf Shinobi, where Minato is hence then stronger than any other leaf ninja of his time which would included characters like the sannin and Hiruzen. Lastly, for Minato’s KCM2 scaling above BSM; he also manages to rebound from the blowback force in chapter 645
I love Minato as a character. But at some point I realized I was just listening to a video of someone using their glizzy glurp glurp 9,000 to full effect.
its not really speculation if there are statements putting itachi or shisui at the top of the clan . not fugaku . however there is the counter argument that fugaku kept his ms secret from his clan. however the village must have some sort of idea of how strong and fast and powerful he is especially when they at one point considered him a hokage candidate. so overall i think the statements about itachi and shisui being above fugaku should be valid. espeically when its backed up by feats . even kid itachi made a bigger fire ball jutsu on his first try. what do you think ?
@@enjoygary Itachi thought a fight with Fugaku would be close and since Mangekyo isn’t canon there’s no point factoring that in to Itachi’s statement meanwhile this same Itachi had Orochimaru pleading for his life in a matter of seconds and even when Kabuto came to support Orochimaru he still chose to flee. You could easily argue that Fugaku is above Sannin level
@@TheAwsomeManny you could but we don't know for sure. I'm tired of scaling people off of their reputation. Some people think prime Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama because of hearsay like that. I'm sure Fugaku was strong but it's dumb to scale a guy we have never seen fight.
@@derekseago9647 I know about the lore, but it’s not enough to dissect. We don’t know almost anything his battle style, tactics, stamina, weaknesses, battle history etc. People want to argue who’s stronger Fugaku or Minato but we don’t know enough about him to say that. It’s a pointless discussion. We know something but it’s all vague information. We basically have to trust his reputation.
I feel like the statement “A finer shinobi never lived” A made regarding Minato was more or less one of respect to the man he quarreled with during the 3rd shinobi war. Minato was one of the only shinobi capable of fighting and winning against him and the only one he knew of capable of outspeeding him. I think that statement is more of reverence for a more than capable and respectable opponent.
An HOUR vid on Minato. ngl, I think we have been getting alot of minato videos. He is not overrated nor underrated, we know he tuff!! They call him the DRINK
He’s probably tied for strongest of the OGs with Hashirama. Both have markedly different kits, but if you were to ask me who I’d rather face, it would be Hashirama, because at least Hashirama at times spared his enemies lol I wouldn’t even have time to blink before my throat was opened by a kunai
@@NotGahruvey Hashirama definitely hits harder, but I don’t know how he responds to Minato’s speed. I could see an argument where Hashirama wins a war of attrition by restoring himself from death several times, but I don’t see either one wiping the floor with the other. Like to use his most powerful technique, the 1000 hand wood golem, Hashirama has to stand still. That’s literally the worst match to Minato. And if he used his forest bloom to poison Minato, Minato could just zip away until the poison fumes clear. So I think a prolonged battle between Minato and Hashirama would be Minato strategically timing his attacks while avoiding being hit, while Hashirama would struggle to but perhaps ultimately hit him with a heavy attack. But we know that Hashirama was equal in speed roughly to Tobirama during life, and that Minato is significantly faster than Tobirama, so Hashirama’s ability to react to lethal blows might be notably lacking. And we know it takes a lot of chakra to heal fatal wounds. So while Minato’s chakra battery is probably about 30% of Hashirama’s, Hashirama’s abilities probably deplete his chakra much more quickly. So I’m comfortable saying that out of 10 fights, they each win about 5. Maybe one wins 4 and the other 6. Maybe I’m far off and it’d be 3 out of 10 to either combatant. But given how their kits match up, I don’t see either one having a comfortable margin to win by.
I think possible win cons for Minato would be for him to: outspeed him, trap Hashirama in a pocket dimension through sealing or flying raijin, seal Hashirama's chakra with a seal, annihilate him and or his golems with rasengans.
I disagree with Kurama by himself scaling massivley above KCM2 Naruto's avatar... his feats pale in comparison and it's a combination of both Naruto's skills and power + Half of Kurama's chakra. Gyuki also hints that more chakra or "tails" doesn't always directly equate to more power. Huge amounts of Power can be achieved even with a small amount of chakra depending on how its controlled and used. Not saying Minato doesn't scale to Kcm2 Naruto by other means, I just don't think that specific part of the vid was a good argument
Possibly! One that almost served that purpose would be my Tobirama vs Each Hokage Death Match! Video where I placed him against Orochimaru in Hiruzen’s place, Obito in Minato’s place and Madara in Hashirama’s place. I discuss his water style and speed heavily there
What a video, I never thought flying thunder god was not teleportation, just speed across a different dimension. I appreciate a lot your effort to make these videos, I don't know why many people just watch and exit like your work was easy, they should click like more.
No the thing ppl say about the guy stuff is that guy lost momentum since he paused in the combo, also litterly everyone there was able to see guy speed.
Best minato video!! And I’ve seen them all from all the channels. Love how you broke down the physical strength, the speed and idea of how the jutsu works, beautifully done
Im at the beginning of the video. At the part where you say no one has brought these things about Minato to the table. Interested to see if your Minato glaze outdoes mine or if it's how I've always seen him. Either way I'm excited to watch this vid and I'll update in my opinion as i watch. Minato glaze is always appreciated.
Completely wrong interpretation of how the clash between Minato and A went down, which is not to say that I'm necessarily disagreeing with your conclusions, but you need to retrace your logical structure. What do I mean? When Minato was about to get blitzed and punched in the face by A and he threw the kunai, he did not throw it in the tree, he let go of it and teleported to a kunai that was already in the tree and then teleported back to the kunai that he let go of which after a fraction of a second was already behing A. The whole scene is meant to show Minato's reaction time and repositioning speed
@@Paradise_costs Yea the interpretation of him throwing the kunai to the tree takes way more head canon than the anime interpretation. If you notice Minato only has one kunai in his right hand and after he teleports he doesn’t have it and there’s literally 0 implications that he threw it either way towards and from the tree. And if you look at where the kunai is in relation to As body if Minato threw it from the tree the kunai would be facing more towards A than the ground and we would see more of the back of the kunai than the entire side of it, it’s simple perspective drawing if they know anything about it. The fact Minato needed to rely on FTG to dodge A TWICE convinces me he’s not faster than him in travel speed.
@@t2nexx561Minato is able to teleport twice while ay was in the same spot. His reaction speed is far greater than ay + if he was able to move his hand while ay is 1 cm from his face only shows Minato can move way way faster than ay. That was his base mode as well.
@@t2nexx561 you don’t even understand.. if my reaction speed is so much faster than you that you look as if your in slow motion allows me to understand Minato is also physically faster which is why he was able to MOVE while the raikage was already in his face lol. The travel speed thing doesn’t even exist fans just made it up. If you’re fast you’re fast all around (physically) just like if your strong then your strong all around (physically). Also travel speed makes no sense because anything on your body moving is travelling. You extending your arm allows the punch to travel to someone’s face.
@@DatsLegitness One, the term slow motion is not really applicable in these sequence of paneling. Two, moving a single extremity takes less electronic signals to send to motor neurons than moving both your legs or rather the process of running which is actually a whole body process. FTG is not a physical feat it’s a jutsu so the only physical feat you have going on for Minato is his reaction speed which is sorta impressive but Bee was able to react to Minatos striking speed which proceeds reaction time that your clamoring about so I guess Minato and Bee have relative reaction time which no longer seems that impressive
Yo Virhtue, are you trying to make your voice deeper/more serious? I like it, it sets a tone for the video. You got my attention and interest. Great piece, very well put together, you had to put a lot of time into this. Thank you, very good work 👏 keep it up brother. I'm not the biggest Minato lover but I don't mind hearing you out and enjoying the show 😊
Imma need a video on lightspeed from you one of these days. Just your general opinion on it and what should and shouldn't be used. Maybe something to think about in the future
@@KristopherDorsey-rq8eklight speed in naruto is the same as our world interms of speed and properties a jutsu chakra which is made out of imaginery energy can change or amplify said speed or properties Which we can't do in real life because we don't have this imaginery energy But we can cuantify it if we did that's why in power scaling you have twelve times light speed but there's nothing faster than light in our world
Consistent issues seemed to be not acknowledging actual context behind certain statements being made for scaling, mostly in the case of the knowledge of the characters making those statements. Clearly kurama would have no idea that hashirama can seal the ten tails or edo madara so trying to scale minato up to him isn't justified. Hiruzen not knowing the full extent of orochimaru's abilities when making statements, this was blatantly clear in the fight. Minato himself saying that obito would get more powerful- and this obito would be the one naruto has to fight obviously. This continued even when talking about itachi's scores and not acknowledging that he was younger than he was supposed to be. Generally acknowledgement of these factors would probably lead to better scaling. There's issues with scaling off of the titles hokage/ay as well but much longer to detail. Minato over kurama: the 'reaction to tailed beast bomb speed' unfortunately you ignored the distance kurama was away and didn't show actual comparable scenarios, distance is just as important when discussing speed. Skipped rest of kcm2 justifications, think this is where minato's assertions are the worst and most exaggerated. 8G guy feat: all we really get to is he's able to teleport away from an incoming guy mid air, yet was earlier still unable to teleport away from juubidara, who earlier we saw was simply far slower than guy at least on the ground. So guy > juubidara both can hit minato before he can teleport away > guy mid air, guy mid air seeming slower than lee's thrown kunai. Lee's thrown kunai potentially blitzing half the top tiers off of the same outlier scaling everyone likes. Return to obito fight: its interesting that the panel where minato claims that obito will get more powerful, if he doesn't kill him, was ignored. Meaning the obito minato is talking about isn't scalable to the one he fought. Beyond that minato had no concept of cooperation with the ninetails to bring out its full power, what he was asserting was kcm1. So kcm1 would be needed to beat a OM obito who minato believes is stronger than masked man he fought. Then mental nerf arguments, these mostly wouldn't be an issue if everyone stopped relying on outliers as if they are indicative of consistent capabilities. If you die on mental nerf hill then when he's side by side with naruto you gotta die on the mental amp hill too. Tobirama can sense people countries away > minato sensing twenty shinobi. Itachi took test and was progressed through at an accelerated rate so tests would have been taken at younger ages, can't really use him to scale minato. Kakashi likely was also accelerated due to war although we have conflicting ages for him. Shisui was not really a prodigy like that. Looping it back around to compare to orochimaru/tsunade/hiruzen in terms of intelligence would have been more compelling imo.
All that just for hashirama to use infinite darkness genjutsu and thousand arm budda or the poison jutsu madara use on the kage which was hashirama's jutsu...GGs
Infinite darkness doesn't work on sensory types. The others would definetly apply. He could teleport out of the poison but the Buddha statue is kicking that ass. Hashirama just Regens and beats minato down over time. Minato just doesn't have enough power behind him to land a successful kill shot and wood style forest would displace kunai
@@LuciferArc1 that don't mean he can use that while under genjutsu it also don't mean he can track attacks with it, he haven't been shown to nor stated. The reason he knew about the 9 tails is bc he also has the 9 tails within him so he was connecting to the 9 tails chakra.
Virtue SPITTING with this one. The thing I like about you is that your claims are never baseless. You probably do the most research in the game and always back up you points. Banger vid
Always be trying, all my arguments have scans and hours of research and argumentation for it. I may not be the best scaler, in some ways but in this, I feel I am. Thank you!!
Hokage minato is most probably not at kcm2 level and I’m gonna explain it in detail. 1. Minato does not explicitly says that Naruto needs kcm2 to beat Obito. Minato has no reference to how strong the perfect jinchuriki of the nine tails would be because there has never been a perfect jinchuriki of the nine tails, Naruto is the first one to ever establish a link with kurama like that. That means that Minato wouldn’t have basis for knowing how strong Kcm2 level is, so he would not use that term in reference to how much power Naruto needs, to beat Obito. Minato sealed the Nine Tails inside Naruto specifically for the purpose of giving him more than enough power necessary to beat Obito, he simply gave him the nine tails so that he have an advantage to take down obito in the future. Then directly before going to train to obtain kcm1, naruto visited the great toad sage and received a prophecy. The sage told him about his journey with Bee and then told him about the key that minato left him, which would help him control the nine tails power. The frogs go on to explain this seal and say exactly the process of gaining kcm1. During the scene where naruto receives the key, he gets a flashback of Minato telling naruto that he needs to master the nine tails power to defeat the masked man with then Naruto stating “I’m gonna conquer this control thing Pa!”. Basically naruto responds to Minato after getting the flashback saying that he’s gonna control the power like he said. Further proving that Minato was basically referring to kcm1 and not kcm2. Another evidence is from the talk between naruto and Kushina during his kcm1 training where Kushina told him that he is the only person capable of defeating obito, but only if he controlled kurama’s power and then Kushina says that minato left her chakra inside Naruto so that she would manifest within him and help him once this moment comes. This is Kushina verbatim stating that kcm1 is the form being referred to in Minato’s plan. Then in the chapter where kcm1 Naruto fights the fourth raikage, Tsunade says to Naruto “Naruto keeps the nine tails under control, just like minato thought” or Naruto saying “Ma helped me get this power and she told me everything. One time Pa fought this guy in a mask. He learned two things. This masked guy was gonna try to destroy the future and the only one who could stop him was me. But only if I had the nine tails power under control” With then Tsunade replying “So…Minato knew Madara was a serious threat. Only someone with nine tails power under control could defeat him”. So it is said also by the same Naruto that the power that Minato was referring to, was “kcm1”. Naruto believes that, tells that to tsunade and she reaffirm the same thing, that Minato was basically referring to kcm1. That is consistent with the fact that, like I said earlier, Minato does not know how strong a potential kcm2 form is and so he was not referring to that form explicitly since he has no basis to know how strong a perfect jinchuuriki is. It proven so that the narrative of the whole kcm1 training arc is to obtain the power Minato was referring to, with many characters supporting that narrative. Then the same Kurama about kcm2 Naruto in chapter 617 stated “he’s already surpassed you both a while ago. Nyah,nyah Kushina, Minato! You both pale in comparison to your brat!”. Proving again that Hokage minato cannot be at kcm2 level since by kurama, Naruto surpassed him a while ago and he pales in comparison to Naruto. 2. We have also a logical fallacy in the argument of yellow mask obito and minato at kcm2 level. How can a 14 year old obito be in the same or relative level of strength and speed as a 30 year old obito with much more experience and mastery over his powers and with a fucking rinnegan. Since also white mask obito is a kcm2 level opponent just as yellow mask obito. So you’re telling me that in 15/16 years obito didn’t get much stronger and not even with the rinnegan?! Thats just stupid, how can people really think like that. The same minato fans push the agenda that from hokage minato and jonin minato there’s a big difference, like it is said in the video, from a kcm1 level to kcm2 level and all of that in 1 year of minato being hokage, while not even having good proofs of him really training or get stronger like the fourth raikage. Minato in 1/2 years went from kcm1 level to kcm2 level, meanwhile obito in 15 fucking years and with the rinnegan is in the same level or relative to his 14 year old self without the rinnegan, with less experience and less mastery over his powers. Thats just non sense, it’s just illogical to think like this. The logic tells us that yellow mask obito cannot be as strong or relative to white mask obito who is a kcm2 level opponent. And so hokage minato, who is relative to 14 year old obito, is not at kcm2 level. People just make arguments without even taking into consideration that those arguments needs to be logical. In fact that argument is just a logical fallacy which is an error in reasoning that undermine the logic of the argument.
3. Another thing is that, in the fourth databook, Naruto and kurama are stated to be the strongest two man cell. Above the statement it is written that the users of the kurama mode are Naruto and Minato. So even minato is listed as a user of kurama mode. But Naruto+kurama are stated to be the strongest two man cell, not Minato and kurama. Meaning Naruto+kurama are above Minato+kurama. Both have 50% of full kurama chakra so the only difference is between naruto and minato. Naruto is indirectly stated to be stronger than hokage minato and so minato cannot be at kcm2 level since he and kurama are not the strongest two man cell. If minato was in “base” at kcm2 level he would certainly be the strongest two man cell alongside kurama but the datebook debunks that. 4. Then in chapter 571 you will never be able to prove that kakashi was 100% referring to speed in this instance and an equally likely possibility would be that their appearances looked similar. So basically kcm2 naruto cloak looks similar to Minato’s hokage cape and this is supported more in the anime where you can see literally minato transition into kcm2 Naruto which supports the fact that it is an hallucination. Just because naruto and minato looks so similar to each other. You cannot 100% prove that kakashi was seeing minato because of naruto speed and both interpretations are valid. But a similar thing happened in the kakazu fight where kakashi sees minato in naruto after he formed the rasenshuriken, he hallucinates minato standing behind him. That means that naruto in the kakazu fight is at hokage minato level since kakashi sees minato in him? No. So it is more likely and probable that a similar thing happened with kcm2 naruto where kakashi most likely hallucinates minato based on their similar appearences and not speed or power.
5. The kurama statement from the one shot manga is a mistranslation and it is misinterpreted, in fact the real translation does not say that Minato is a shinobi of the caliber of Hashirama, but he says that there is still ninja of this caliber since the first hokage era. Basically kurama was not comparing Minato and Hashirama but only saying that minato is a shinobi of the caliber of hashriama’s era. But apart from that, the statement is in reference to Minato’s sealing technique and not his overall strength, since kurama hasn’t even seen what Minato is capable of, apart from sealing jutsu. Then in the rasengan vs bijou bomb clash, Minato does not overpower kurama, there is no proof of that and no, the fact that kurama is leaning back it is not because of minato’s rasengan, but because of Kushina’s chain that are pulling and restraining him. The chains are pulling in one direction meanwhile kurama is leaning in the opposite direction while forming the bijou bomb, and that is the reason why kurama is leaning back. (almost every time kurama creates a bijou bomb, his head is leaning upwards and his body leaning a bit back). Then in this fight Kurama is heavily nerfed from Kushina’s chains, that are stated to suppress nine tails chakra, and by seals put on him. He threatens Kushina and tells her to remove all of the seals placed on him. Kurama says seals in plural so there are probably at least 2 seals, but the word “all seals” implies that there are 3 or more. Also his bijou bomb it’s not fully formed and so not at full power. So Minato clashes with a nerfed and restrained kurama not even near his true power. To show how restrained and nerfed kurama was, when Naruto fought kurama and he removes six tails worth of his chakra, he left kurama in a really bad shape where you can literally see his ribs. Kurama pissed off, creates a huge bijou bomb, that is several time larger than the one in the minato one shot, in less than a single page. Meanwhile Kurama against minato took several pages to create a tiny bijou bomb that was about as tall as minato. So what I’m saying is that the kurama minato fought doesn’t scale anywhere and he cannot be used to scale Minato above kurama himself or at kcm2 level, since that kurama doesn’t scale to Kurama’s true strength. Then you can argue and it is implied (like Swag and Seth said in some video) that to control something via genjutsu you have to be at least relative to what you’re controlling. Fugaku was stated to have the power with the Ms to control the nine tails, meaning he scales relative if not above kurama. The same Kurama who is at least at kcm2 level. So that means that fugaku is also above kurama and so at kcm2 level tier? It sounds improbable and that’s why it is inconsistent to scale kurama alone and he has not real consistent scaling that puts him at least at kcm2 naruto. Then in the video it is said that the jinchuriki is always stronger than the bijou itself and that’s true. But then it is said that kurama can be an exception since he knows the nuclear fusion and so it is really smart and can use his power at full potential. But that’s not a consistent feat to say that for kurama it does not work the fact that the jinchuriki is stronger then the bijou itself since even if he knows nuclear fusion that doesn’t mean that he can use his power better than a jinchuriki. The only objective statement is that for every bijou the jinchuriki is stronger than the bijou itself so kurama is not an exception. And then there is no real proof to put full chakra kurama alone above Naruto full control over 50% of kurama chakra since by being a jinchuriki he can use better and more efficiently kurama’s chakra than kurama itself. Then the “more chakra more power” can be easily debunked. Does that mean that pt.1 naruto is more powerful than kakashi since he has more chakra than him? No it is not, so the fact than someone has more chakra, doesn’t mean he is stronger. If you can use better and more efficiently your chakra even if your opponent has way more chakra than you can still be stronger, and there are many examples of this. The same logic can be applied to kurama alone 100% chakra and Naruto jinchuriki with full control over 50% of the chakra. Naruto with the help of kurama can use better and more efficiently kurama’s chakra and so he can still (and it is) be stronger than a 100% kurama alone.
Immaculate video, i been tryna push the Minato as Hokage above KCM 2 level for a minute, I just don't see how any of those characters (Hashirama, Naruto, Sasuke, Nagato, Madara, Tobirama) touch him but I can see multiple ways he can hit them. Like Hashirama doesn't have a singular speed feat proving he can hit Minato. In I hate the argument he can destroy all the Kunai, like when has Minato ever ran out of Kunai, and it's extremely likely that he has the Shadow Shuriken Jutsu. KCM2 Minato's only non-six paths comp is 8th Gates guy and Alive Rinnegan Madara. KCM 2 Minato beats Madara high diff in my opinion, barely dodged Tobirama's Flying Raijin. Edo Tobirama < Alive Tobirama < Hokage Minato < KCM 2 Minato, Limbo gets nulled by Flying Raijin and 8th Gates Guy is a stronger combatant but KCM2 Minato has the perception speed to Flying Raijin out of the way so wins due to that (pretty lame way to win) but Minato is the second strongest non-six paths character imo (if beating Guy by killing himself counts No. 1)
Base Minato defeats 8th gate Guy. The fact that Minato could FTG in and out between Guy and Madara before Guy could even move further already proves that Guy won’t be able to land a hit even though he has more raw power. He’ll die from the 8th gates before being able to so much as scratch Minato.
If reanimated Hashirama (who is nerfed) can beat up reanimated Madara (who is stronger than when he was alive), doesn't that mean that alive Hashirama is much stronger than we give him credit for? Like a KCM 3, maybe?
No proof all of the hokages left at the same time and even if they did theres no proof they was all going their full power and speed either. Its clear theres things that happened off panel.
No yeah, they hit Konoha’s ramen shop and downed a couple of ramen bowls before taking their time to go the battlefield that would decide the fate of the world. Homie, it’s a disingenuous argument. They all went as fast as they could and Minato got their first period.
@@jakesully007 proof? Also there was things that happen between panels also this would assume that the 3rd is as fast as the 2nd and 1st hokage since he got there the same time as them which is questionable to say the least. It's not farfetch to think they made a plan before going to the battle field bc it was weird Minato and the other hokage had Minato's teleporting kunai or bc bee and Obito was there in which both have Minato teleporting seal on them that's why he got there so fast but that's also questionable.
@@tythegreatttg My guy, you’re chasing ghosts with that line of thinking. I get you, “if we didn’t see it, did it happen?”. The only thing is, the manga already proved what happened. Starting off with the context: there’s a world ending war going on, so there is massive urgency. No way anyone is gonna drag their feet. 2 - Using your own logic, if Minato teleported to the battlefield because of markers on Bee and Obito instead of running, then why not teleport all the hokage and sasuke’s team at once with him? We see that he can teleport the entire shinobi alliance so surely a few people isn’t the problem. And to add, why didn’t he immediately teleport the hokage to the kunai he placed in position for the “hokage cage sealing”? Again, it’s because they ran. I personally think teleporting would have been more efficient but hey, then we wouldn’t have their badass entrance on the field. 3 - Minato went to the ocean side put a kunai there then went to the battlefield, marked with couple of kunai for the hokage sealing, then teleports the ten tails bomb away and then makes a cool entrance in front of Naruto. All of that before anyone even notices him AND before rest of the Hokage arrive. The point of that entire scene and sequences was to show that the Hokage went as fast as they could and that Minato is faster than all of them, as also emphasized by the 2nd and 3rd Hokage. So while you’re saying “but we didn’t actually see them run so where’s the proof?”, fact of the matter is the manga substantiates clearly what actually happened and that IS the proof.
@@DatsLegitnesslol I think You under estimate the sheer amount of hashirama cells obito infused in his Body when he faught Minato, that it's actually ridiculous.
0:50 His age is not known for certain to be 15. It could be closer to his twenties. 1:29 Shisui was noted in those same columns to only have reached renown after Minato's death. 1:34 Kakashi did not join the AnBu until after the war. Mission count is not really a gauge of power/strength, either, given Jiraiya has more than both, whilst Itachi only has one S-rank mission. 2:40 Being next in line/groomed for the position does not mean he already surpassed his father. His father, right next to him, is also called A at the same time, of course. I would like to not he is the one who lopped off Hachibi's horn, though. 7:40 Hiruzen actually stepped down due to political disharmony as noted in Itachi Shinden. 11:15 He was already weaving the seals before it was fired. 14:23 He does not have to teleport to every kunai, it is that he can teleport to any of them. 16:00 That might be referring to the Sengoku Jidai as Edo Tensei Madara is considered near equal to Obito elsewhere (which still supports the Kurama Mode narrative). 21:25 Possible it took longer to transit the much larger mass of chakra. 40:18 He could not send anyone else. They had an agreement. I imagine he did not expect him to actually fight Kurama, either. 42:00 VIZism. In Japanese he is questioning if it is Minato, not that it has to be. Barriers are not seals, either, they are a different field of ninjutsu. 53:35 Fukaku is considered the strongest in his clan, possibly stronger than Massacre Itachi. Minato is above both, though, yes.
Yes, it is true... There is no proof Kakashi is not already graduated from the Academy. Shinobi do not always wear their hitate-ate off duty, as shown by Naruto when Jiraiya's death was reported. In the Sha no Sho omake, Kakashi was not even wearing his mask casually. It would be on the person claiming he is not graduated to prove he would have to have it on.
I had this conversation with sage about fugakus power in the anime being over his novels counterpart where he disagreed with the statement I made, you know how itachi can use his ms abilities his base sharingan form in part 1 I think that is the case for anime fugaku as well as danzo not knowing about fugakus ms until itachi told him about it sometime after the Uchiha massacre since danzo and itachi and the rest of the Uchiha clan didn't know that fugaku had it which made me think that fugaku must have awakened it during the 3rd war during this time you may ask it makes perfect sense for fugaku would have enough time to train it and keep it a secret for so many years whereas his novels counterpart didn't do that and choose to show it when he can which is not a good idea against somebody like danzo who would have used itachi and shisui against him as a contingency, sorry for my long rant man I will talk more about this topic for another time.
@DatsLegitness so the truth seeking orbs only negate the regeneration of the edo tensai, so when the edo tensai jutsu was released he was whole again and fine in the after life? Because I thought it was unclear how far reaching the neg effects were from the tso
@@safeandsound712 I’m saying once your a clump of energy around other clumps of energy it’ll just respawn. Sakura got hit with a madara truth seeker rod and she was fine so idk.
@@Virhtue you do have somewhat of a record of avoiding debates and switching up under comments about what you meant in vids so i guess you would think that
@@SUPREME_Ndude, don’t take this to heart but your absolute idiot. You know know how reply notifications work, I don’t get all of them, I get hundred of regular comments a day and done your all fans there isn’t a distinction. Except some fans are arrogant and ignorant people like you who take a claim like this an belive it, I’ve never sucked a debate. These people, if you could ever cite one, are nobodies, no name, no reputation, nothing new so sit down. I bust my ass for my name and reputation.
@@Virhtue no worries i couldn’t get offended by a mf blatantly lying wether that be because of a response they didn’t like or just dog💩 memory you can pick your problem
I agree, but had Minato lived longer, he would have created and mastered new powerful jutsus. I do not doubt that he would have created new Sealing Jutsus like the Reaper Death Seal without sacrificing his own life, and that would be awesome. From the point of view, Minato might have surpassed Hashirama in terms of abilities, but not likely in strength.
@@Virhtue actually we could if we calculate the time Jiraiya spent with the orphans the time Minato mastered Rasengan and when he became leader of his own squad
@@Virhtue he's not he litterly die to it and in their clash that wasn't even the real 9 tails plus he was beating sealed with the chain. On top of that Minato got hurt by a splinter...if it wasn't for the chains the 9 tails would have ran throw Minato and Naruto.
The Length. Respect for the video's shown. S-Ranks are wild. I know that you are likely just calling out Yashiro's character but damn everyone I hear talk about Yashiro kinda seems like they hate bro. THE TAIL SWIPE? I feel like a Weight was taken off my back.
he already covered why tobirama was potrayed as superior. its because minato was hindered by his stupor. its a valid argument. and because of this nerf in combat speed/ reaction speed kcm2 minato > base minato > stupor kcm minato
0:23 nobody that makes videos my friend because i have been saying a lot of the points you made for years, some of you dont notice because i dont make videos
@@Virhtuelet’s be real I definitely put you and loko on if you look at past comments you’d see I said eveything you’ve said and more. Back when you were meatriding loko and not telling him he was wrong
I hate the retcon i just wanted him to be unpararraled in terms of shinobi world in the first story is like that but when kishi choose the ashura indra thing his value dropped down he even compared people like 2nd hokage, shusui, itachi minato will and should SLAM anybody who is not reincarnated or otsutsuki
@@DatsLegitnessMinato never had the king spot.Thats hearsay from the community.If you go through the manga the only person who ever said Minato was “supposed to be the best” was kid Naruto.A bofoon who didn’t know the other 2 hokage when theres 4 of them.And the statements of him being the strongest only references the Hokage being tje strongest in the village.Which old Hiruzen got that title after Minato’s sacrifice.
The only HoKage that would beat Lord Minato in a blood lusted fight to the death is... Naruto Hashirama That's it... not including edo Minato... People always say Hiruzen, but I'm not convinced... People say Boruto Era Kakashi, but I don't watch Boruto & I doubt it...
I would argue hokage kakashi could beat him. We know that combat speed counters ftg as seen with madara vs tobirama. kakashi is equal or above base koji in combat speed . who scales above delta who was relative to supressed six paths sage mode kcm2 adult naruto in combat speed. this would scale kakashi significantly above minato in combat speed. also kakashi has omnidirectional shiden which he could use to counter an stun / potentially one tap minato which would at least create an opening for his next attack . shiden has the ap to easily cut through minatos durability . fire mist jutsu has country level ap / dc seeing as it countered the shuigu which was gonna flood a country and its stated to be using hagoromos chakra. since kakashi has more chakra he can outlast minato then hit him with this attack. minato cant fully seal kakashi due to kakashi having far more chakra and chakra control . kakashi has superior taijutsu . equal kenjutsu. superior iq and biq and exp. and genjutsu.
I would plan to and would hope to do one for him or maybe Sasuke, but I’ve heard a name thrown around of another creator and I don’t want to seem like I’m stealing the idea, plus it’s going to be really, really long
Yeah.... but he's not. All offense, No defense. Hashirama tanks anything he has, and one-shots him. Boruto is strongest offensive ninja btw, Naruto was second
The best of all is that Minato is not strong because of ultra premium genetics, nor magic eyes, nor does he need to steal powers from others, much less be a piece of trash who uses hostages and only attacks targets at a disadvantage (tired, injured or little chakra), something that trash Uchihas and Akatsuki always do hahahaha
I’m a little confused on the scaling, is minato on par with KcM2 or above the full Kurama, which shouldn’t that be the same thing? I’ve personally seen minato as physically comparable to initial biju naruto, and a little weaker than mastered biju naruto, and with his full arsenal/abilities being on par if not slightly above base hashirama/full Kurama
@@Virhtue at the same time, didn’t kakashi see initial biju Naruto as minato, possibly making him as fast as minato/making minato closer to half Kurama stat wise?
@@VirhtueCompletely incorrect. Kurama himself stated during the war that Minato and Kushina were “pathetic” compared to Naruto at the time, who was KCM2.
Minato being a Perfect Sage in comparison to Naruto compared Jiraiya is extremely impressive. Minato’s gathering of Natural Energy is slower than Naruto probably due to lacking the Kyuubi Chakra & Uzumaki Genes. However, Hokage Minato should be able to summon Ma and Pa for Unlimited Sage Mode along with Senjutsu enchanted Frog Song Genjutsu. Imagine KCM2 Minato’s using Sage Mode as well to boost his combat and reaction speed and other physical attributes! Sage KCM2 Minato should defeat Sage Hashirama High Difficulty!
@@Virhtue Sage Mode and Ma & Pa are deeply underrated! Sage Mode boost you combat & reaction speed, strength, durability, regeneration, and give continental wide precognitive danger sensory. Ma and Pa can also give their summoner unlimited Sage Mode due to constant flowing of Natural Energy. Senjutsu Genjutsu is incredibly broken given that SM Kabuto’s Tayuya Flute Genjutsu needed EMS Sasuke and MS Itachi combined Sharingan to breakout of! KCM2 Minato can also have Kurama gather Natural Energy for himself as well along with Bijuu Avatar Clones. Frog Kata also allows Minato to hit his target enemies with Natural Energy Aura even if he misses an attack as well. I don’t see how Hashirama or Madara counter Senjutsu Amped Frog Song and Supercharged Bijuudamas or Cho Odama Rasengan Barrages along with thousands of clones and FTG spam! Especially Sage KCM2 Amped Fuinjutsu Seals by a master like Hokage Minato.
According to your FTG argument Kamui could also be a Greater Spacetime Ninjustu because Kamui is actual Teleportation not just stupidly high speed movement through subspaces
@@giannixx it's slower because of the transition but he still goes instantly to another place once he is in his dimension, with again the transition cast time.
He actually called It a better Technique not space time lol kamui is better because it does not use seals and can transport just the body part back and forth. Also with kamui you still would need to be fast as he has to travel kamui the same way Minato travels the subspace.
@@TsuChan_ How do you know he goes instantly once he is there? In chapter 636, after having Kakashi destroy his heart seal, Obito exits the Kamui dimension in order to become jinchuriki of the Juubi, and he does so by manifesting the swirl around his eye, exactly in the same way he enters and how he absorbs and expels things and people to and from there. So, he also takes time to exit the place. It's exactly the same as FTG/Hiraishin, only that we never see Minato or Tobirama in this other dimension/subspace. Also, Hiraishin is for all intents and purposes teleportation, as it is near instant. Minato can go to the other side of the planet in the blink of an eye (if he has a mark there). The trait of negating distance travelled is kinda the main point of teleportation. Kamui also counts here, though it is slower than Hiraishin. But if you want to keep using this more strict definition of the term, then "true" teleportation does not exist in the Naruto universe.
@@kaizel2264 You're correct about the reason Minato considered Kamui better when compared to Hiraishin, but he did call it a better Space-time Ninjutsu. It is usually translated as "better teleportation", but he does say "jikūkan ninjutsu". "Jikūkan" (時空間) literally is the Japanese word for "spacetime".
"fanboy" is just one of those overused words by kids nowadays. When you provide any backing to a character, they accuse you of this. It's like we're supposed to not give credit any character at all. 🤷
To be honest he was the child of Prophecy. He just transfered his Prophecy to his son. He didnt need to die with the 9 tails but you know. PLOT. So yeah he was the strongest excluding Hashirama and Madara (the descendants)
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How About Some More Niche arguments that weren’t quite necessary for the complete and accurate conclusion but would still offer insight and answers to those who are curious?
Thumbnail inspiration credit @ThunderGodTG
Now while most of the arguments were compiled by me, like the subspace and entire FTG section, the Kurama Biju bomb assertion, the KCM1 Cloak being held by the Tetragram, along with a few others and though there was a lot more pieced together, I’m obviously not going to attribute those to myself seeing as some points just could be put together easily if you just read coherently. Although for the credited arguments not mentioned in the video, (from what I know) the discord scaler ‘Chrome’ brought up to Sage (who told me) that fourth Hokage is inscribed in the Toad scroll, the discord scaler ‘MyobokuMerchant’ first attributed a very similar argument to base Hashirama scaling under the wood style.
And there is another argument that SageofThickCalves uses as a wincon for Minato that I don’t personally use but could be valid, and it’s that Minato could drop an opponent into the subspace as a BFR.
The Naruto Storm Generations Cutscenes that are claimed to be canon to the anime (by Cyberconnect2) have Minato actually beating up both Hiruzen and Jiraiya for the title of hokage, proving further it’s a power point; although I would take it with a grain of salt, atleast for its canonicity because who are CyberConnect2 to claim something’s canon? You could also argue against those events by using Minato’s third Databook file which lists Jiraiya as who Minato would most like to fight, which could imply that haven’t fought.
Another Minato’s argument commonly used to his benefit that I don’t think holds near as much water as people estimate would be Hiruzen showing active fear at the fight of Minato’s coffin raising (in his Orochimaru Fight.) the reason why is Hiruzen, yes, could be implying Minato is the most piwerful or most difficult to manage, sure but he is also facing already two kage so just another one isn’t going to help his case at all and it could be that third opponent being where Hiruzen drew the line in the amount of hokage level opponents he could battle at once.
A way to support Minato’s narrative of being a savior you could also derive he was a savior to Kushina, as well with how she is paneled through the One Shot to be the princess in the tower, a damsel in distress if you will and Minato would be the savior to that.
As for Minato’s sealing the one decade on hundred ninja guide has a common mistranslation of Minato being able to sever chakra.
Another mistranslation would be the opening volume summary that VIZ localized to say “power rivaling the fourth hokage” when in fact neither Minato, nor fourth hokage are not mentioned whatsoever within the kanji.
There are a total of 16 statement’s about “The Yellow Flash” eight are explicitly in reference to Jonin, four are explicitly hokage and four are left up for interpretation. Making it obviously much more likely that “The Yellow Flash” is a title explicitly use to identify Minato in a specific chronological setting rather than a general sense. Such a chart is also advantageous to the position of “The Yellow Flash being for either” as the term “fourth hokage” is used through all of part one as the method of identification of Minato’s character prior to knowing that more personalized name; making it way more likely that, again, “The Yellow Flash” is only in reference to Jonin Minato. (Shoutout to Sage for that collage which is available in his Server!)
In chapter 419 Killer Bee states “Well that sharingan dude’s (identifying MS Sasuke) probably the toughest fellow I’ve ever fought” which could be interpreted as a method to place Minato under MA Sasuke’s according to Bee’s direct remembrance of Minato’s power. However this is simply both a mistranslation and a misinterpretation of the contextual implications; here’s the raw kanji: 今までやった奴らの中でもあの写輪眼は一・二を争うぐらい 強かったからな・・・which directly translating to “Out of all the guys (I’ve fought) up until now. That sharingan is competing for about first place because it’s strong…” (shoutout to TG for the translation.), This implies that in the basis of Sasuke’s possession and usage of the sharingan, (likely encapsulating the Amaterasu) Sasuke is competing with one other person for maybe, first place. The other character in question, is contextually the Raikage Ayy, as you can note comparisons between the two throughout the battle such as when Bee notes that Sasuke was the first besides his big bro to dodge his v1 speed. Therefore in culling this with the rhetoric and the already highly advanced lore for Jonin Minato, Bee isn’t accounting for that Minato and is likely just making a comparison between the Raikage during their sparing matches and Sasuke on the basis of his sharingan mastery.
Minato is likely already in contention for the title of Hokage during his jonin days when Obito is taking the Chunin exams, seeing as Minato is overseeing the exams alongside Hiruzen (who is Hokage) in chapter 599, like how Shikamaru oversees Naruto’s work, Tobirama oversaw Hashirama’s work etc.
Minato being above Tobirama and or the other homage in speed could be shown through his much weakened and insanely fatigued self fully reacting to Juubidara’s TSO projectiles, when Juubito (who is weaker and slower) was able to blitz through both Hiruzen and Tobirama with the TSO and their extension in Hiruzen’s case.
The claim that Minato isn’t above base Hashirama on the basis of Kabuto stating that Hashirama is the only man who could beat Madara would just be Kabuto’s knowledge which is prone to be wrong as he admits to Madara when revived in chapter 559 that he doesn’t know what Madara’s power was like in its prime. He is simply making an inference based upon reputation, same goes for Hashirama who had numerous fairy tales circulating around his name.
Tg has also just bought the Naruto: Land of Waves Novelization and pointed out a statement that states “He was the fourth Hokage of the Hidden Leaf Village, the best and strongest shinobi of all of them” this statements in comparison between Minato, the fourth Hokage and the Shinobi, in comparison to the catagory given, being the Hidern Leaf Shinobi, where Minato is hence then stronger than any other leaf ninja of his time which would included characters like the sannin and Hiruzen.
Lastly, for Minato’s KCM2 scaling above BSM; he also manages to rebound from the blowback force in chapter 645
@@Virhtue Would you consider doing this type of video for Naruto?
Another Minato glaze!! LET'S GOOOO!!! 🤩🤩🤩🤩
He could be the missile defense system for a whole country
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Never saw this much glaze since Swagkage with Madara 💀
Only thing is I’m right
@@Virhtue No you are not
@@TsuChan_which part is he wrong on because i agree with all of his arguments.
You keep the goat swag out of your mouth
You keep the goat swag out of your mouth
I love Minato as a character. But at some point I realized I was just listening to a video of someone using their glizzy glurp glurp 9,000 to full effect.
We gotta Obito glizzy slurper over here lmao
Classic, these fanboys making their own happiness all over youtube, making up sht to the max
It’s not even glaze bro
@@Virhtue I think minato is fastest at reaction speed but he can't move while reacting like in 8gate
We don't know how strong Fugaku Uchiha is. It's pointless to try to speculate since we have almost nothing to go off of but vague lore and hearsay.
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its not really speculation if there are statements putting itachi or shisui at the top of the clan . not fugaku . however there is the counter argument that fugaku kept his ms secret from his clan. however the village must have some sort of idea of how strong and fast and powerful he is especially when they at one point considered him a hokage candidate. so overall i think the statements about itachi and shisui being above fugaku should be valid. espeically when its backed up by feats . even kid itachi made a bigger fire ball jutsu on his first try. what do you think ?
@@enjoygary Itachi thought a fight with Fugaku would be close and since Mangekyo isn’t canon there’s no point factoring that in to Itachi’s statement meanwhile this same Itachi had Orochimaru pleading for his life in a matter of seconds and even when Kabuto came to support Orochimaru he still chose to flee. You could easily argue that Fugaku is above Sannin level
@@TheAwsomeManny you could but we don't know for sure. I'm tired of scaling people off of their reputation. Some people think prime Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama because of hearsay like that. I'm sure Fugaku was strong but it's dumb to scale a guy we have never seen fight.
@@derekseago9647 I know about the lore, but it’s not enough to dissect. We don’t know almost anything his battle style, tactics, stamina, weaknesses, battle history etc. People want to argue who’s stronger Fugaku or Minato but we don’t know enough about him to say that. It’s a pointless discussion. We know something but it’s all vague information. We basically have to trust his reputation.
You guys sure do like using "the strongest" thumbnail lately
It’s a fire thumbnail
I feel like the statement “A finer shinobi never lived” A made regarding Minato was more or less one of respect to the man he quarreled with during the 3rd shinobi war. Minato was one of the only shinobi capable of fighting and winning against him and the only one he knew of capable of outspeeding him. I think that statement is more of reverence for a more than capable and respectable opponent.
An HOUR vid on Minato. ngl, I think we have been getting alot of minato videos. He is not overrated nor underrated, we know he tuff!! They call him the DRINK
That new underated trend is being most heavily pushed by your boy
@@Virhtue push someone’s who’s actually underrated than. Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Temari the strongest wind user
@@TheCEOofTheMomentdude minato is actually very underrated people think kcm 1 Naruto beat him
@@joeyntl4904 their trolling
@@TheCEOofTheMomentnaah bro they really believe it 😭😭😭 you gotta debate them in these youtube threads
Minatochads rise up..
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Minato was an icon for being one of the strongest, and that idea wasn't ever retconned!
He’s probably tied for strongest of the OGs with Hashirama. Both have markedly different kits, but if you were to ask me who I’d rather face, it would be Hashirama, because at least Hashirama at times spared his enemies lol I wouldn’t even have time to blink before my throat was opened by a kunai
Hashirama literally washes the floor with him.
@@NotGahruvey Hashirama definitely hits harder, but I don’t know how he responds to Minato’s speed. I could see an argument where Hashirama wins a war of attrition by restoring himself from death several times, but I don’t see either one wiping the floor with the other.
Like to use his most powerful technique, the 1000 hand wood golem, Hashirama has to stand still. That’s literally the worst match to Minato. And if he used his forest bloom to poison Minato, Minato could just zip away until the poison fumes clear. So I think a prolonged battle between Minato and Hashirama would be Minato strategically timing his attacks while avoiding being hit, while Hashirama would struggle to but perhaps ultimately hit him with a heavy attack. But we know that Hashirama was equal in speed roughly to Tobirama during life, and that Minato is significantly faster than Tobirama, so Hashirama’s ability to react to lethal blows might be notably lacking. And we know it takes a lot of chakra to heal fatal wounds. So while Minato’s chakra battery is probably about 30% of Hashirama’s, Hashirama’s abilities probably deplete his chakra much more quickly.
So I’m comfortable saying that out of 10 fights, they each win about 5. Maybe one wins 4 and the other 6. Maybe I’m far off and it’d be 3 out of 10 to either combatant. But given how their kits match up, I don’t see either one having a comfortable margin to win by.
I think possible win cons for Minato would be for him to: outspeed him, trap Hashirama in a pocket dimension through sealing or flying raijin, seal Hashirama's chakra with a seal, annihilate him and or his golems with rasengans.
Good lord what have these RUclipsrs done to you
I disagree with Kurama by himself scaling massivley above KCM2 Naruto's avatar... his feats pale in comparison and it's a combination of both Naruto's skills and power + Half of Kurama's chakra. Gyuki also hints that more chakra or "tails" doesn't always directly equate to more power. Huge amounts of Power can be achieved even with a small amount of chakra depending on how its controlled and used. Not saying Minato doesn't scale to Kcm2 Naruto by other means, I just don't think that specific part of the vid was a good argument
Do you think you could do a similar video style for Tobirama sometime soon? He is your channel avatar/mascot afterall. I'd love to watch that.
Possibly! One that almost served that purpose would be my Tobirama vs Each Hokage Death Match! Video where I placed him against Orochimaru in Hiruzen’s place, Obito in Minato’s place and Madara in Hashirama’s place. I discuss his water style and speed heavily there
You are all already under my genjutsu
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Yep minato glazers definitly are under a genjutsu
About to be 54 min of straight glaze 😂 hopefully I'm surprised tho I'll watch the whole thing
Glaze that’s indisputable
I’ll never not click on a video talking about how awesome Minato is
now we need an in depth on comp kakashi after war arc. you and sage pop off on doing the research and accurately scaling based on this information.
Me and him are in very close touch, and I’ll let him know
@ you da best
What a video, I never thought flying thunder god was not teleportation, just speed across a different dimension.
I appreciate a lot your effort to make these videos, I don't know why many people just watch and exit like your work was easy, they should click like more.
Glad you liked it, bro! This seriously means a lot! I always try to put in a ton of work and bring something new to the table
No the thing ppl say about the guy stuff is that guy lost momentum since he paused in the combo, also litterly everyone there was able to see guy speed.
Always fun to hear about minato ^^
For sure
Where can I download Naruto manga digital version high quality for free?
I can't post the link. Copy and paste this on Google then go to the first link. "Naruto (2003-2015) (Digital) (AnHeroGold-Empire) (Edited)"
Best minato video!! And I’ve seen them all from all the channels. Love how you broke down the physical strength, the speed and idea of how the jutsu works, beautifully done
Minato is my favorite character. Let's see where this goes.
Alright
@@VirhtueI wasn't expecting to see him fight the flash but that was great 😁.
1:56 where is that animation from
I’m not sure, the one your probably talking about is the Naruto mobile game
Im at the beginning of the video. At the part where you say no one has brought these things about Minato to the table. Interested to see if your Minato glaze outdoes mine or if it's how I've always seen him. Either way I'm excited to watch this vid and I'll update in my opinion as i watch.
Minato glaze is always appreciated.
I never even call it glaze, just higher interpretations yk?
Fantastic video, masterfully made.
Thank you very much!
Completely wrong interpretation of how the clash between Minato and A went down, which is not to say that I'm necessarily disagreeing with your conclusions, but you need to retrace your logical structure. What do I mean? When Minato was about to get blitzed and punched in the face by A and he threw the kunai, he did not throw it in the tree, he let go of it and teleported to a kunai that was already in the tree and then teleported back to the kunai that he let go of which after a fraction of a second was already behing A. The whole scene is meant to show Minato's reaction time and repositioning speed
@@Paradise_costs Yea the interpretation of him throwing the kunai to the tree takes way more head canon than the anime interpretation. If you notice Minato only has one kunai in his right hand and after he teleports he doesn’t have it and there’s literally 0 implications that he threw it either way towards and from the tree. And if you look at where the kunai is in relation to As body if Minato threw it from the tree the kunai would be facing more towards A than the ground and we would see more of the back of the kunai than the entire side of it, it’s simple perspective drawing if they know anything about it. The fact Minato needed to rely on FTG to dodge A TWICE convinces me he’s not faster than him in travel speed.
@@t2nexx561Minato is able to teleport twice while ay was in the same spot. His reaction speed is far greater than ay + if he was able to move his hand while ay is 1 cm from his face only shows Minato can move way way faster than ay. That was his base mode as well.
@@DatsLegitness None of what you said has anything to do with travel speed meaning running with his legs
@@t2nexx561 you don’t even understand.. if my reaction speed is so much faster than you that you look as if your in slow motion allows me to understand Minato is also physically faster which is why he was able to MOVE while the raikage was already in his face lol. The travel speed thing doesn’t even exist fans just made it up. If you’re fast you’re fast all around (physically) just like if your strong then your strong all around (physically). Also travel speed makes no sense because anything on your body moving is travelling. You extending your arm allows the punch to travel to someone’s face.
@@DatsLegitness One, the term slow motion is not really applicable in these sequence of paneling. Two, moving a single extremity takes less electronic signals to send to motor neurons than moving both your legs or rather the process of running which is actually a whole body process. FTG is not a physical feat it’s a jutsu so the only physical feat you have going on for Minato is his reaction speed which is sorta impressive but Bee was able to react to Minatos striking speed which proceeds reaction time that your clamoring about so I guess Minato and Bee have relative reaction time which no longer seems that impressive
Yo Virhtue, are you trying to make your voice deeper/more serious? I like it, it sets a tone for the video. You got my attention and interest. Great piece, very well put together, you had to put a lot of time into this. Thank you, very good work 👏 keep it up brother. I'm not the biggest Minato lover but I don't mind hearing you out and enjoying the show 😊
I’m not, my voice is like a 16 year olds💀 appreciate the kind words though king!
Blitzing your own space time technique 😎
You’ll never see Tobirama ahh doing something cool like that
can Hashirama really beat someone he cannot touch?
Supreme glaze
Imma need a video on lightspeed from you one of these days. Just your general opinion on it and what should and shouldn't be used.
Maybe something to think about in the future
To be honest it depends if lightspeed works like it does in our world but in cases in other verses it's treated differently then it does in ours.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
@@KristopherDorsey-rq8eklight speed in naruto is the same as our world interms of speed and properties a jutsu chakra which is made out of imaginery energy can change or amplify said speed or properties
Which we can't do in real life because we don't have this imaginery energy
But we can cuantify it if we did that's why in power scaling you have twelve times light speed but there's nothing faster than light in our world
Bro how did you get that background for thumbnail?
Cut it all out myself from a Gojo panel I upscaled
Hold up wtf was that 3:00 😂
@@ontheinside fan animation
The first bit messed up, idek
Consistent issues seemed to be not acknowledging actual context behind certain statements being made for scaling, mostly in the case of the knowledge of the characters making those statements. Clearly kurama would have no idea that hashirama can seal the ten tails or edo madara so trying to scale minato up to him isn't justified. Hiruzen not knowing the full extent of orochimaru's abilities when making statements, this was blatantly clear in the fight. Minato himself saying that obito would get more powerful- and this obito would be the one naruto has to fight obviously. This continued even when talking about itachi's scores and not acknowledging that he was younger than he was supposed to be. Generally acknowledgement of these factors would probably lead to better scaling.
There's issues with scaling off of the titles hokage/ay as well but much longer to detail.
Minato over kurama: the 'reaction to tailed beast bomb speed' unfortunately you ignored the distance kurama was away and didn't show actual comparable scenarios, distance is just as important when discussing speed.
Skipped rest of kcm2 justifications, think this is where minato's assertions are the worst and most exaggerated.
8G guy feat: all we really get to is he's able to teleport away from an incoming guy mid air, yet was earlier still unable to teleport away from juubidara, who earlier we saw was simply far slower than guy at least on the ground. So guy > juubidara both can hit minato before he can teleport away > guy mid air, guy mid air seeming slower than lee's thrown kunai. Lee's thrown kunai potentially blitzing half the top tiers off of the same outlier scaling everyone likes.
Return to obito fight: its interesting that the panel where minato claims that obito will get more powerful, if he doesn't kill him, was ignored. Meaning the obito minato is talking about isn't scalable to the one he fought. Beyond that minato had no concept of cooperation with the ninetails to bring out its full power, what he was asserting was kcm1. So kcm1 would be needed to beat a OM obito who minato believes is stronger than masked man he fought.
Then mental nerf arguments, these mostly wouldn't be an issue if everyone stopped relying on outliers as if they are indicative of consistent capabilities. If you die on mental nerf hill then when he's side by side with naruto you gotta die on the mental amp hill too.
Tobirama can sense people countries away > minato sensing twenty shinobi.
Itachi took test and was progressed through at an accelerated rate so tests would have been taken at younger ages, can't really use him to scale minato. Kakashi likely was also accelerated due to war although we have conflicting ages for him. Shisui was not really a prodigy like that. Looping it back around to compare to orochimaru/tsunade/hiruzen in terms of intelligence would have been more compelling imo.
Agree, this video is full of issues tbh.Taking advantage of anyting, disgarding all that makes it not work, just blind fanboyism.
He also mastered 3 changes in chakra nature I guess
Very true, he should of used those
Now lets see virtue makes a video about Minato being the strongest a little after Obito did well. I guess we know who's right
All that just for hashirama to use infinite darkness genjutsu and thousand arm budda or the poison jutsu madara use on the kage which was hashirama's jutsu...GGs
Infinite darkness doesn't work on sensory types. The others would definetly apply. He could teleport out of the poison but the Buddha statue is kicking that ass. Hashirama just Regens and beats minato down over time. Minato just doesn't have enough power behind him to land a successful kill shot and wood style forest would displace kunai
@@LuciferArc1 where tf was that stated? Also Minato isn't a sensory type ninja and he has no genjutsu resistances feats
@tythegreatttg he could read chakra signatures during the war as well as when naruto lost kurama, he could sense the chakra loss
@@LuciferArc1 that don't mean he can use that while under genjutsu it also don't mean he can track attacks with it, he haven't been shown to nor stated. The reason he knew about the 9 tails is bc he also has the 9 tails within him so he was connecting to the 9 tails chakra.
3:00 who made this😭
Virtue SPITTING with this one. The thing I like about you is that your claims are never baseless. You probably do the most research in the game and always back up you points. Banger vid
Always be trying, all my arguments have scans and hours of research and argumentation for it. I may not be the best scaler, in some ways but in this, I feel I am. Thank you!!
indeed he should have lived and used sage mode with flying raijin to stop the nine tails
Maybe!
@@Virhtue yep he should
The only person with the balls to challenge Minato as Hokage was essentially Madara. 😅
I can’t bring myself to get into the vid cause what is that title💀
The truth
Hokage minato is most probably not at kcm2 level and I’m gonna explain it in detail.
1. Minato does not explicitly says that Naruto needs kcm2 to beat Obito. Minato has no reference to how strong the perfect jinchuriki of the nine tails would be because there has never been a perfect jinchuriki of the nine tails, Naruto is the first one to ever establish a link with kurama like that. That means that Minato wouldn’t have basis for knowing how strong Kcm2 level is, so he would not use that term in reference to how much power Naruto needs, to beat Obito. Minato sealed the Nine Tails inside Naruto specifically for the purpose of giving him more than enough power necessary to beat Obito, he simply gave him the nine tails so that he have an advantage to take down obito in the future. Then directly before going to train to obtain kcm1, naruto visited the great toad sage and received a prophecy. The sage told him about his journey with Bee and then told him about the key that minato left him, which would help him control the nine tails power. The frogs go on to explain this seal and say exactly the process of gaining kcm1. During the scene where naruto receives the key, he gets a flashback of Minato telling naruto that he needs to master the nine tails power to defeat the masked man with then Naruto stating “I’m gonna conquer this control thing Pa!”. Basically naruto responds to Minato after getting the flashback saying that he’s gonna control the power like he said. Further proving that Minato was basically referring to kcm1 and not kcm2. Another evidence is from the talk between naruto and Kushina during his kcm1 training where Kushina told him that he is the only person capable of defeating obito, but only if he controlled kurama’s power and then Kushina says that minato left her chakra inside Naruto so that she would manifest within him and help him once this moment comes. This is Kushina verbatim stating that kcm1 is the form being referred to in Minato’s plan. Then in the chapter where kcm1 Naruto fights the fourth raikage, Tsunade says to Naruto “Naruto keeps the nine tails under control, just like minato thought” or Naruto saying “Ma helped me get this power and she told me everything. One time Pa fought this guy in a mask. He learned two things. This masked guy was gonna try to destroy the future and the only one who could stop him was me. But only if I had the nine tails power under control” With then Tsunade replying “So…Minato knew Madara was a serious threat. Only someone with nine tails power under control could defeat him”. So it is said also by the same Naruto that the power that Minato was referring to, was “kcm1”. Naruto believes that, tells that to tsunade and she reaffirm the same thing, that Minato was basically referring to kcm1. That is consistent with the fact that, like I said earlier, Minato does not know how strong a potential kcm2 form is and so he was not referring to that form explicitly since he has no basis to know how strong a perfect jinchuuriki is. It proven so that the narrative of the whole kcm1 training arc is to obtain the power Minato was referring to, with many characters supporting that narrative. Then the same Kurama about kcm2 Naruto in chapter 617 stated “he’s already surpassed you both a while ago. Nyah,nyah Kushina, Minato! You both pale in comparison to your brat!”. Proving again that Hokage minato cannot be at kcm2 level since by kurama, Naruto surpassed him a while ago and he pales in comparison to Naruto.
2. We have also a logical fallacy in the argument of yellow mask obito and minato at kcm2 level. How can a 14 year old obito be in the same or relative level of strength and speed as a 30 year old obito with much more experience and mastery over his powers and with a fucking rinnegan. Since also white mask obito is a kcm2 level opponent just as yellow mask obito. So you’re telling me that in 15/16 years obito didn’t get much stronger and not even with the rinnegan?! Thats just stupid, how can people really think like that. The same minato fans push the agenda that from hokage minato and jonin minato there’s a big difference, like it is said in the video, from a kcm1 level to kcm2 level and all of that in 1 year of minato being hokage, while not even having good proofs of him really training or get stronger like the fourth raikage. Minato in 1/2 years went from kcm1 level to kcm2 level, meanwhile obito in 15 fucking years and with the rinnegan is in the same level or relative to his 14 year old self without the rinnegan, with less experience and less mastery over his powers. Thats just non sense, it’s just illogical to think like this. The logic tells us that yellow mask obito cannot be as strong or relative to white mask obito who is a kcm2 level opponent. And so hokage minato, who is relative to 14 year old obito, is not at kcm2 level. People just make arguments without even taking into consideration that those arguments needs to be logical. In fact that argument is just a logical fallacy which is an error in reasoning that undermine the logic of the argument.
3. Another thing is that, in the fourth databook, Naruto and kurama are stated to be the strongest two man cell. Above the statement it is written that the users of the kurama mode are Naruto and Minato. So even minato is listed as a user of kurama mode. But Naruto+kurama are stated to be the strongest two man cell, not Minato and kurama. Meaning Naruto+kurama are above Minato+kurama. Both have 50% of full kurama chakra so the only difference is between naruto and minato. Naruto is indirectly stated to be stronger than hokage minato and so minato cannot be at kcm2 level since he and kurama are not the strongest two man cell. If minato was in “base” at kcm2 level he would certainly be the strongest two man cell alongside kurama but the datebook debunks that.
4. Then in chapter 571 you will never be able to prove that kakashi was 100% referring to speed in this instance and an equally likely possibility would be that their appearances looked similar. So basically kcm2 naruto cloak looks similar to Minato’s hokage cape and this is supported more in the anime where you can see literally minato transition into kcm2 Naruto which supports the fact that it is an hallucination. Just because naruto and minato looks so similar to each other. You cannot 100% prove that kakashi was seeing minato because of naruto speed and both interpretations are valid. But a similar thing happened in the kakazu fight where kakashi sees minato in naruto after he formed the rasenshuriken, he hallucinates minato standing behind him. That means that naruto in the kakazu fight is at hokage minato level since kakashi sees minato in him? No. So it is more likely and probable that a similar thing happened with kcm2 naruto where kakashi most likely hallucinates minato based on their similar appearences and not speed or power.
5. The kurama statement from the one shot manga is a mistranslation and it is misinterpreted, in fact the real translation does not say that Minato is a shinobi of the caliber of Hashirama, but he says that there is still ninja of this caliber since the first hokage era. Basically kurama was not comparing Minato and Hashirama but only saying that minato is a shinobi of the caliber of hashriama’s era. But apart from that, the statement is in reference to Minato’s sealing technique and not his overall strength, since kurama hasn’t even seen what Minato is capable of, apart from sealing jutsu. Then in the rasengan vs bijou bomb clash, Minato does not overpower kurama, there is no proof of that and no, the fact that kurama is leaning back it is not because of minato’s rasengan, but because of Kushina’s chain that are pulling and restraining him. The chains are pulling in one direction meanwhile kurama is leaning in the opposite direction while forming the bijou bomb, and that is the reason why kurama is leaning back. (almost every time kurama creates a bijou bomb, his head is leaning upwards and his body leaning a bit back). Then in this fight Kurama is heavily nerfed from Kushina’s chains, that are stated to suppress nine tails chakra, and by seals put on him. He threatens Kushina and tells her to remove all of the seals placed on him. Kurama says seals in plural so there are probably at least 2 seals, but the word “all seals” implies that there are 3 or more. Also his bijou bomb it’s not fully formed and so not at full power. So Minato clashes with a nerfed and restrained kurama not even near his true power. To show how restrained and nerfed kurama was, when Naruto fought kurama and he removes six tails worth of his chakra, he left kurama in a really bad shape where you can literally see his ribs. Kurama pissed off, creates a huge bijou bomb, that is several time larger than the one in the minato one shot, in less than a single page. Meanwhile Kurama against minato took several pages to create a tiny bijou bomb that was about as tall as minato. So what I’m saying is that the kurama minato fought doesn’t scale anywhere and he cannot be used to scale Minato above kurama himself or at kcm2 level, since that kurama doesn’t scale to Kurama’s true strength. Then you can argue and it is implied (like Swag and Seth said in some video) that to control something via genjutsu you have to be at least relative to what you’re controlling. Fugaku was stated to have the power with the Ms to control the nine tails, meaning he scales relative if not above kurama. The same Kurama who is at least at kcm2 level. So that means that fugaku is also above kurama and so at kcm2 level tier? It sounds improbable and that’s why it is inconsistent to scale kurama alone and he has not real consistent scaling that puts him at least at kcm2 naruto. Then in the video it is said that the jinchuriki is always stronger than the bijou itself and that’s true. But then it is said that kurama can be an exception since he knows the nuclear fusion and so it is really smart and can use his power at full potential. But that’s not a consistent feat to say that for kurama it does not work the fact that the jinchuriki is stronger then the bijou itself since even if he knows nuclear fusion that doesn’t mean that he can use his power better than a jinchuriki. The only objective statement is that for every bijou the jinchuriki is stronger than the bijou itself so kurama is not an exception. And then there is no real proof to put full chakra kurama alone above Naruto full control over 50% of kurama chakra since by being a jinchuriki he can use better and more efficiently kurama’s chakra than kurama itself. Then the “more chakra more power” can be easily debunked. Does that mean that pt.1 naruto is more powerful than kakashi since he has more chakra than him? No it is not, so the fact than someone has more chakra, doesn’t mean he is stronger. If you can use better and more efficiently your chakra even if your opponent has way more chakra than you can still be stronger, and there are many examples of this. The same logic can be applied to kurama alone 100% chakra and Naruto jinchuriki with full control over 50% of the chakra. Naruto with the help of kurama can use better and more efficiently kurama’s chakra and so he can still (and it is) be stronger than a 100% kurama alone.
Immaculate video, i been tryna push the Minato as Hokage above KCM 2 level for a minute, I just don't see how any of those characters (Hashirama, Naruto, Sasuke, Nagato, Madara, Tobirama) touch him but I can see multiple ways he can hit them. Like Hashirama doesn't have a singular speed feat proving he can hit Minato.
In I hate the argument he can destroy all the Kunai, like when has Minato ever ran out of Kunai, and it's extremely likely that he has the Shadow Shuriken Jutsu. KCM2 Minato's only non-six paths comp is 8th Gates guy and Alive Rinnegan Madara. KCM 2 Minato beats Madara high diff in my opinion, barely dodged Tobirama's Flying Raijin.
Edo Tobirama < Alive Tobirama < Hokage Minato < KCM 2 Minato, Limbo gets nulled by Flying Raijin and 8th Gates Guy is a stronger combatant but KCM2 Minato has the perception speed to Flying Raijin out of the way so wins due to that (pretty lame way to win) but Minato is the second strongest non-six paths character imo (if beating Guy by killing himself counts No. 1)
Base Minato defeats 8th gate Guy. The fact that Minato could FTG in and out between Guy and Madara before Guy could even move further already proves that Guy won’t be able to land a hit even though he has more raw power. He’ll die from the 8th gates before being able to so much as scratch Minato.
Love to hear it
I've been waiting for this🥳
Love to hear it
If reanimated Hashirama (who is nerfed) can beat up reanimated Madara (who is stronger than when he was alive), doesn't that mean that alive Hashirama is much stronger than we give him credit for? Like a KCM 3, maybe?
Terrible take Tobirama slams
Bro tried to slide this in here hoping I wouldn’t peep the name
No proof all of the hokages left at the same time and even if they did theres no proof they was all going their full power and speed either. Its clear theres things that happened off panel.
No yeah, they hit Konoha’s ramen shop and downed a couple of ramen bowls before taking their time to go the battlefield that would decide the fate of the world. Homie, it’s a disingenuous argument. They all went as fast as they could and Minato got their first period.
@@jakesully007 proof? Also there was things that happen between panels also this would assume that the 3rd is as fast as the 2nd and 1st hokage since he got there the same time as them which is questionable to say the least. It's not farfetch to think they made a plan before going to the battle field bc it was weird Minato and the other hokage had Minato's teleporting kunai or bc bee and Obito was there in which both have Minato teleporting seal on them that's why he got there so fast but that's also questionable.
@@tythegreatttg My guy, you’re chasing ghosts with that line of thinking. I get you, “if we didn’t see it, did it happen?”. The only thing is, the manga already proved what happened.
Starting off with the context: there’s a world ending war going on, so there is massive urgency. No way anyone is gonna drag their feet.
2 - Using your own logic, if Minato teleported to the battlefield because of markers on Bee and Obito instead of running, then why not teleport all the hokage and sasuke’s team at once with him? We see that he can teleport the entire shinobi alliance so surely a few people isn’t the problem. And to add, why didn’t he immediately teleport the hokage to the kunai he placed in position for the “hokage cage sealing”? Again, it’s because they ran. I personally think teleporting would have been more efficient but hey, then we wouldn’t have their badass entrance on the field.
3 - Minato went to the ocean side put a kunai there then went to the battlefield, marked with couple of kunai for the hokage sealing, then teleports the ten tails bomb away and then makes a cool entrance in front of Naruto. All of that before anyone even notices him AND before rest of the Hokage arrive. The point of that entire scene and sequences was to show that the Hokage went as fast as they could and that Minato is faster than all of them, as also emphasized by the 2nd and 3rd Hokage.
So while you’re saying “but we didn’t actually see them run so where’s the proof?”, fact of the matter is the manga substantiates clearly what actually happened and that IS the proof.
9:45 obito was not KCM2 Level at the time. Definitely KCM tier given Minato hyping him above pain though
Obito should be a Sage Mode Naruto victim. It’s literally just kamui that makes him hard to hit
@@DatsLegitnesslol I think You under estimate the sheer amount of hashirama cells obito infused in his Body when he faught Minato, that it's actually ridiculous.
YM Obito is far above KCM💀
@@percivalknightoftheflames855 based on?
@@kaizel2264 dude you’re hyping up hashiramas cum being in another man?
0:50 His age is not known for certain to be 15. It could be closer to his twenties.
1:29 Shisui was noted in those same columns to only have reached renown after Minato's death.
1:34 Kakashi did not join the AnBu until after the war. Mission count is not really a gauge of power/strength, either, given Jiraiya has more than both, whilst Itachi only has one S-rank mission.
2:40 Being next in line/groomed for the position does not mean he already surpassed his father. His father, right next to him, is also called A at the same time, of course. I would like to not he is the one who lopped off Hachibi's horn, though.
7:40 Hiruzen actually stepped down due to political disharmony as noted in Itachi Shinden.
11:15 He was already weaving the seals before it was fired.
14:23 He does not have to teleport to every kunai, it is that he can teleport to any of them.
16:00 That might be referring to the Sengoku Jidai as Edo Tensei Madara is considered near equal to Obito elsewhere (which still supports the Kurama Mode narrative).
21:25 Possible it took longer to transit the much larger mass of chakra.
40:18 He could not send anyone else. They had an agreement. I imagine he did not expect him to actually fight Kurama, either.
42:00 VIZism. In Japanese he is questioning if it is Minato, not that it has to be. Barriers are not seals, either, they are a different field of ninjutsu.
53:35 Fukaku is considered the strongest in his clan, possibly stronger than Massacre Itachi. Minato is above both, though, yes.
This isn’t true and you won’t prove these, begin with the first point, prove Kakashi is 14 before graduating the academy
Yes, it is true... There is no proof Kakashi is not already graduated from the Academy. Shinobi do not always wear their hitate-ate off duty, as shown by Naruto when Jiraiya's death was reported. In the Sha no Sho omake, Kakashi was not even wearing his mask casually. It would be on the person claiming he is not graduated to prove he would have to have it on.
I had this conversation with sage about fugakus power in the anime being over his novels counterpart where he disagreed with the statement I made, you know how itachi can use his ms abilities his base sharingan form in part 1 I think that is the case for anime fugaku as well as danzo not knowing about fugakus ms until itachi told him about it sometime after the Uchiha massacre since danzo and itachi and the rest of the Uchiha clan didn't know that fugaku had it which made me think that fugaku must have awakened it during the 3rd war during this time you may ask it makes perfect sense for fugaku would have enough time to train it and keep it a secret for so many years whereas his novels counterpart didn't do that and choose to show it when he can which is not a good idea against somebody like danzo who would have used itachi and shisui against him as a contingency, sorry for my long rant man I will talk more about this topic for another time.
Yeah, unfortunately the novel does take a precedent over the anime in authority, although they don’t always contradict and can be reconciled
Absolutely ridiculous glazing
How is that glazing gangaroo
He is, thanks for noticing, can it be considered glazing if its true though? (lets pretend the answer isn't yes 😂)
Bro I’m saying
Can't be glazing if it's true, thing is, it's not true. He himself know he is glazing.
the strongest
Raikage slams minato
@@Bigmom18lol
Goat
Is Minato in the purelands forever with no arms now because of the 4th war? 😅
No because energy is eternal it’ll reform with energy from somewhere else
@DatsLegitness so the truth seeking orbs only negate the regeneration of the edo tensai, so when the edo tensai jutsu was released he was whole again and fine in the after life? Because I thought it was unclear how far reaching the neg effects were from the tso
@@safeandsound712 I’m saying once your a clump of energy around other clumps of energy it’ll just respawn. Sakura got hit with a madara truth seeker rod and she was fine so idk.
We see him get his arms back when he returns to the pure world
@vegeta12379 oh cool, I must have missed that part, thanks
haven’t you glazed bro enough? lmao
Considering I’ve done the most for the agenda and haven’t been refuted, no
@@Virhtue you do have somewhat of a record of avoiding debates and switching up under comments about what you meant in vids so i guess you would think that
@@SUPREME_Ndude, don’t take this to heart but your absolute idiot. You know know how reply notifications work, I don’t get all of them, I get hundred of regular comments a day and done your all fans there isn’t a distinction. Except some fans are arrogant and ignorant people like you who take a claim like this an belive it, I’ve never sucked a debate. These people, if you could ever cite one, are nobodies, no name, no reputation, nothing new so sit down. I bust my ass for my name and reputation.
@@Virhtue no worries i couldn’t get offended by a mf blatantly lying wether that be because of a response they didn’t like or just dog💩 memory you can pick your problem
@@SUPREME_N and no citation, take it out bro my pants are zipped up
Superb review of Minato’s scaling! Minato haters won’t be happy with it though 😅
True that!
I love the minato glaze
W
Top 3 fastest Hokage. 1: Naruto, 2: Kakashi, 3: Minato.
I'd even say Kcm2 Minato beats Alive Hashirama
At least, Virtue is the smartest youtuber on the game, and we love it 🤩
Thanks king, true statement
Minato is top 3 favorite for me but he’s not stronger than Hashirama, period.
I agree, but had Minato lived longer, he would have created and mastered new powerful jutsus. I do not doubt that he would have created new Sealing Jutsus like the Reaper Death Seal without sacrificing his own life, and that would be awesome. From the point of view, Minato might have surpassed Hashirama in terms of abilities, but not likely in strength.
@@Hiep156 Hokage Naruto believed Minato would be stronger than him had he lived.
@@jakesully007
In which Chapter or Episode did Hokage Naruto mention that?
@@jakesully007 that's just extremely wrong
Lie
Telporting is not speed
Bro are you going to provide any evidence for any claim?
Any video talking about minato gets a like and subscribe.
Absolute W
Minato was 14
It’s unprovable, it’s all based on how old Kakashi is in that panel
@@Virhtue actually we could if we calculate the time Jiraiya spent with the orphans the time Minato mastered Rasengan and when he became leader of his own squad
Minato is not above the full 9 tails...
He is
@@Virhtue he's not he litterly die to it and in their clash that wasn't even the real 9 tails plus he was beating sealed with the chain. On top of that Minato got hurt by a splinter...if it wasn't for the chains the 9 tails would have ran throw Minato and Naruto.
Facts super facts OMGG FACTSS BRAVVV
Yes
Send they ahhh to jail 24:47
They shoulddddd
Crazy he’s not even top 15 in the verse😮💨
@@stephenking2895 maybe not even top 20
@@owensilva9224 Shii u ain’t tell a lie
Terrible take, he’s the strongest edo
@@Virhtue it’s not a take it’s facts tbh
Good vid tho
Third strongest edo but still doesn’t even crack top ten in verse
@@Virhtue minato is not top 20 in the verse
The Length.
Respect for the video's shown.
S-Ranks are wild.
I know that you are likely just calling out Yashiro's character but damn everyone I hear talk about Yashiro kinda seems like they hate bro.
THE TAIL SWIPE?
I feel like a Weight was taken off my back.
Love it
Ah yes the third or second strongest Hokage behind Hashirama. (We arent counting Naruto he's too broken)
Wasn't tobirama alluding to flying rajin not body flicker....we see him outpace Minato multiple times in the starting portions pf the juubito fight
yes
he already covered why tobirama was potrayed as superior. its because minato was hindered by his stupor. its a valid argument. and because of this nerf in combat speed/ reaction speed kcm2 minato > base minato > stupor kcm minato
Minato was dazed💀
@@percivalknightoftheflames855 some Shinobi of a face reveal can leave you dazed for an entire battle. That excuse doesn't work
@@jiero3253 its literally stated in the databook🤦 not an excuse
54 min ???!!!!☠️ Ain't that deep bro it ain't that deep
Well when you are establishing a meta and this is your job yeah, it is
@@Virhtue
genjutsu of that level doesn't work on me
lmaaooooooooooooooo
W
debate vs six when
Is that why he’s dead?
Hahahaha
He didn't need to die he did it so the Village wouldn't be vulnerable it's ironic tbh as Minato is better then any Bijuu tbh.
Minato will forever be my goat.
W
Let me edit it for u.
“Hashirama is The Strongest.
Facts
Let me edit it for u.
Naruto is The Strongest.
@@jakesully007 naruto who lost Kurama? I do not think so.
@@SirJuul Even that version of Naruto can outright solo all of shipuden combined, which includes Hashirama. No contest.
@@jakesully007 Nah he cannot, lmao.. he has no resistance against Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Base Jiraiya victim
Terrible take
Minato was supposed to be strongest Shinobi of All Time, but the spotlight was given to Naruto instead, simple as that.
Raikage slams minato
@@Bigmom18😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Bigmom18 Pfft, Yea ok, No Raikage has ever or WILL ever touch Minato
@@Bigmom18 bait used to be believable
This just isn’t really true
0:23 nobody that makes videos my friend because i have been saying a lot of the points you made for years, some of you dont notice because i dont make videos
Anybody can say this and there is no proof to suggest otherwise, like bro
I could say I’ve made these arguments as soon as chapter 238 came out, just didn’t talk about it online
@@Virhtuelet’s be real I definitely put you and loko on if you look at past comments you’d see I said eveything you’ve said and more. Back when you were meatriding loko and not telling him he was wrong
I hate the retcon i just wanted him to be unpararraled in terms of shinobi world in the first story is like that but when kishi choose the ashura indra thing his value dropped down he even compared people like 2nd hokage, shusui, itachi minato will and should SLAM anybody who is not reincarnated or otsutsuki
Imo he is
1-otsutsukis
2-indra ashura reincarnations
3-minato
(I do not include the 10 tails jinchirukis and 8 gate guy its a suicide attack)
@@aa84561 Sakura > Minato
& when he made Tobirama invent flying raijin instead of Minato💀💀 wtf is kishimoto problem
Wrong
@@DatsLegitnessMinato never had the king spot.Thats hearsay from the community.If you go through the manga the only person who ever said Minato was “supposed to be the best” was kid Naruto.A bofoon who didn’t know the other 2 hokage when theres 4 of them.And the statements of him being the strongest only references the Hokage being tje strongest in the village.Which old Hiruzen got that title after Minato’s sacrifice.
Minato is the strongest in low tiers like kiba, shino and etc
A mid tier character like hidan would definitely one-shot him
This is an awful take
@@Virhtuemake a kiba vs minato video
The only HoKage that would beat Lord Minato in a blood lusted fight to the death is...
Naruto
Hashirama
That's it... not including edo Minato... People always say Hiruzen, but I'm not convinced...
People say Boruto Era Kakashi, but I don't watch Boruto & I doubt it...
Only Sage Hashirama
Tobirama is just a better version of him, stomps.
Hiruzen is overall better but would probably loose in a duel.
@@TsuChan_ tobirama is a beast...
I would argue hokage kakashi could beat him. We know that combat speed counters ftg as seen with madara vs tobirama. kakashi is equal or above base koji in combat speed . who scales above delta who was relative to supressed six paths sage mode kcm2 adult naruto in combat speed. this would scale kakashi significantly above minato in combat speed. also kakashi has omnidirectional shiden which he could use to counter an stun / potentially one tap minato which would at least create an opening for his next attack . shiden has the ap to easily cut through minatos durability . fire mist jutsu has country level ap / dc seeing as it countered the shuigu which was gonna flood a country and its stated to be using hagoromos chakra. since kakashi has more chakra he can outlast minato then hit him with this attack. minato cant fully seal kakashi due to kakashi having far more chakra and chakra control . kakashi has superior taijutsu . equal kenjutsu. superior iq and biq and exp. and genjutsu.
@@TsuChan_💀
Would you consider doing this type of video for Naruto?
I would plan to and would hope to do one for him or maybe Sasuke, but I’ve heard a name thrown around of another creator and I don’t want to seem like I’m stealing the idea, plus it’s going to be really, really long
@@VirhtueDo what you want to do with your channel and just be honest with/about your content, and you're golden.
Yeah.... but he's not. All offense, No defense. Hashirama tanks anything he has, and one-shots him. Boruto is strongest offensive ninja btw, Naruto was second
Lol no Minato slams Hashirama based on feats Hashirama only has more Chakra but Minatos Chakra control is just insane.
@@percivalknightoftheflames855Hashirama>BSM Naruto>>KCM2 Naruto~Minato
The best of all is that Minato is not strong because of ultra premium genetics, nor magic eyes, nor does he need to steal powers from others, much less be a piece of trash who uses hostages and only attacks targets at a disadvantage (tired, injured or little chakra), something that trash Uchihas and Akatsuki always do hahahaha
Some great points backed up by manga/anime statements
You know it
I’m a little confused on the scaling, is minato on par with KcM2 or above the full Kurama, which shouldn’t that be the same thing?
I’ve personally seen minato as physically comparable to initial biju naruto, and a little weaker than mastered biju naruto, and with his full arsenal/abilities being on par if not slightly above base hashirama/full Kurama
Minato is a blitz level above the full Kurama who is well above KCM2
@@Virhtue at the same time, didn’t kakashi see initial biju Naruto as minato, possibly making him as fast as minato/making minato closer to half Kurama stat wise?
@@VirhtueCompletely incorrect. Kurama himself stated during the war that Minato and Kushina were “pathetic” compared to Naruto at the time, who was KCM2.
@@hero0686agree that kcm2 Naruto is stronger than the 9tails by itself lol.
@@hero0686Mastered KCM2
Make a Sakura video virthue
Maybe
as a professional Naruto powerscaler I would say minato solos all of fiction
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Love it
Bro.
It’s just facts
@@Virhtue great vid. Really appreciate the effort and consequent depth of this content 👌
Incorrect
Cap
@@VirhtueYo Virhtue I’m a Loko Sleeper Agent 😂
minato is definitely one of the strongest naruto characters. (except end of series)
For sure and even then edo minato makes top 15
Still loses to hashirama tho
Only safe mode
@@Virhtue idk base hashirama was starring down a majestic attire susano
Minato being a Perfect Sage in comparison to Naruto compared Jiraiya is extremely impressive. Minato’s gathering of Natural Energy is slower than Naruto probably due to lacking the Kyuubi Chakra & Uzumaki Genes. However, Hokage Minato should be able to summon Ma and Pa for Unlimited Sage Mode along with Senjutsu enchanted Frog Song Genjutsu. Imagine KCM2 Minato’s using Sage Mode as well to boost his combat and reaction speed and other physical attributes!
Sage KCM2 Minato should defeat Sage Hashirama High Difficulty!
Minato needs to get those frog songs on deck
@@Virhtue Sage Mode and Ma & Pa are deeply underrated! Sage Mode boost you combat & reaction speed, strength, durability, regeneration, and give continental wide precognitive danger sensory. Ma and Pa can also give their summoner unlimited Sage Mode due to constant flowing of Natural Energy. Senjutsu Genjutsu is incredibly broken given that SM Kabuto’s Tayuya Flute Genjutsu needed EMS Sasuke and MS Itachi combined Sharingan to breakout of! KCM2 Minato can also have Kurama gather Natural Energy for himself as well along with Bijuu Avatar Clones. Frog Kata also allows Minato to hit his target enemies with Natural Energy Aura even if he misses an attack as well. I don’t see how Hashirama or Madara counter Senjutsu Amped Frog Song and Supercharged Bijuudamas or Cho Odama Rasengan Barrages along with thousands of clones and FTG spam! Especially Sage KCM2 Amped Fuinjutsu Seals by a master like Hokage Minato.
According to your FTG argument Kamui could also be a Greater Spacetime Ninjustu because Kamui is actual Teleportation not just stupidly high speed movement through subspaces
How is Kamui actual teleportation? In order to appear in another place, Obito has to suck himself into the Kamui dimension first.
@@giannixx it's slower because of the transition but he still goes instantly to another place once he is in his dimension, with again the transition cast time.
He actually called It a better Technique not space time lol kamui is better because it does not use seals and can transport just the body part back and forth.
Also with kamui you still would need to be fast as he has to travel kamui the same way Minato travels the subspace.
@@TsuChan_ How do you know he goes instantly once he is there? In chapter 636, after having Kakashi destroy his heart seal, Obito exits the Kamui dimension in order to become jinchuriki of the Juubi, and he does so by manifesting the swirl around his eye, exactly in the same way he enters and how he absorbs and expels things and people to and from there. So, he also takes time to exit the place. It's exactly the same as FTG/Hiraishin, only that we never see Minato or Tobirama in this other dimension/subspace.
Also, Hiraishin is for all intents and purposes teleportation, as it is near instant. Minato can go to the other side of the planet in the blink of an eye (if he has a mark there). The trait of negating distance travelled is kinda the main point of teleportation. Kamui also counts here, though it is slower than Hiraishin. But if you want to keep using this more strict definition of the term, then "true" teleportation does not exist in the Naruto universe.
@@kaizel2264 You're correct about the reason Minato considered Kamui better when compared to Hiraishin, but he did call it a better Space-time Ninjutsu. It is usually translated as "better teleportation", but he does say "jikūkan ninjutsu". "Jikūkan" (時空間) literally is the Japanese word for "spacetime".
You are just the strongest minato fanboy 😂🤣😅
Then refute something femboy
"fanboy" is just one of those overused words by kids nowadays. When you provide any backing to a character, they accuse you of this. It's like we're supposed to not give credit any character at all. 🤷
Idk man, I'm probably stronger than Virtue lol.
Nah, I'd win (I've probably obsessed more over his scaling but I don't scale him as high, I have him just below KCM2 Naruto)
To be honest he was the child of Prophecy. He just transfered his Prophecy to his son. He didnt need to die with the 9 tails but you know. PLOT. So yeah he was the strongest excluding Hashirama and Madara (the descendants)
What in the headcanon is this???
Minato is so strong.
Still loses to 3t Itachi though, but there's no shame in that.
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Not going to happen
Bruh, he'll one tap 3T Itachi, Itachi will be dead before falling to the ground
They think the man who almost died to 14 year Obito is stronger than healthy Itachi that is a rival to OM Obito smh
@@Foxes4035 when did he almost die? he throttled Obito…