Bechstein's the winner here for me - there's more 'air' in the sound, better singing quality and no brittleness. Most of all, there's just a magic in how the sound all hangs together.
I remeber playing on a very old C. Bechstein grand in school, the piano was literally falling apart, yet to this day it was the most joy I have ever had playing the piano, the light and reponsive keys, as well as the beautiful tone was magical. I think the fortunes of these two companies had a lot to do with WWII, where C. Bechstein was strongly associated with Nazi's while Steinway was seen as an American company. Anyway, it's most likely the sentiment, I do prefer the Bechstein here, seem to have little more purity in the tone, which make it more beautiful playing such piece.
No contest. incredible sweet sound and tone on Bechstein. maybe the best rendition i ever heard on this piece played on Bechstein. The music must be able to breathe and it does. Incredibly played. Thank you Aniko.
To untrained ears like mine, I feel the Bechstein is more mellow and rounder, but the Steinway is clearer and has more piercing treble. The Bechstein is closer to my taste...especially for this particular piece of music. More dreamy and creamy on the Bechstein. Maybe the Steinway is better for Bach?
I totally agree. I'm hardly an expert pianist, but I far prefer the more mellow sound. The piercing tone of the Steinway's treble is a little harsh for my taste
Steinway's, if prepared right, sound fantastic with a lot of richness to their tone and good articulation. They can be made to project over an orchestra, so then the piercing treble makes more sense. But, yes, the piercing treble is present in a good amount of Steinways.
Steinway for Beethoven and earlier Liszt, Bechstein for late Liszt and Debussy. For Chopin, I might need one of each because his music is always sublime in beauty but often breathtaking in its aggressiveness.
Not that Steinway's aren't brilliant, but I kind of find them lacking in personality. That may be because they've become so ubiquitous that we associate the sound of a Steinway with a "standard" grand piano, but they don't have that twinkling glassy sound on the high notes or bombastic thunder on the low.
Steinway is good for Beethoven and Mozart. And of course with/against an orchestra. For everything else? Kind of trash not going to lie. Bechstein is especially brilliant with Bach!!!
If you listen very closely, the Hamburg has a different shimmer to the tone. Very hard to describe, but it's like a sheen that sparkles above the foundation of the tone. You can pick this out more easily in the treble (higher) registers. Fine Hamburg Steinways (the one in this clip included) have this quality that gives it a very distinctive sound in recordings. This Bechstein also has this extra layer of sheen, but it's not as distinctive the Hamburg's - it's more homogenous to the core tone, giving it quite a powerful, solid tone overall.
Simply the best interpretation of my favorite composition I've ever heard. . . Bar none! I like the Bechstein better: Iit's more mellow and "singing", perfect for this piece.
I agree with several of the comments below that vote for the Bechstein . . . some rather harsher tones in the upper octaves in the Steinway spoil the party a little. I'd STILL take Steinway home in a heartbeat though and ask a technician to voice the hammers a wee bit : ) But Beckstein wins here IMHO
Bravo - A wonderful performance. Thank you for sharing. While I have a favourite here, much of this is subjective, and I'd love to own either of these instruments.
Thank you so much for putting this video together and uploading it here! So nice initiative! Amazing sounds on both. Everybody has a personal preference which shouldn't be counted as a "picking a winner." Choosing a preferred sounding piano is a very beautiful thing as us humans we can do this and enjoy what each one likes to do.
La calidad tradicional de Bechstein se impone. La reina emperatriz Victoria, los zares de Rusia y varas casas reales y de la aristocracia europea tenían como proveedor oficial a Carl Bechstein.
Fwiw I like begining with Steinway and the ending with Bechstein. Higher harmonics in the low registers with Bechstein sound a little unusual probably because we are so used to hearing Steinway timbre.
can you hear the sound increasing itself ? in steinway there is no such thing, coz they make them only of maple, bechstein uses 4-5 woods to increase reverb
I nowadays have the privilege of playing a Hamburg Model D which is just astounding, so I have a pretty good internal image of the sound. I used to play a Bechstein, too, for many years, so I think I know the sound. On this video, neither piano sounds particularly great, nor particularly as I would expect, although the piano playing is delightful. I don't hear any of the clarity or the richness that I associate with the Steinway, and the Bechstein is rather shrill. I doubt if either of them actually sounded that way in the studio.
I hear the versatility of Steinway here... Bechstein has a quite beautiful beginning but Steinway has more color and character distinction between sections... from lyrical to bombastic full sound playing.
@@correasilvio2010 "excellent piano sound" is a generic statement that does not classify exactly the difference of timbre among them. we can develop more about what we hear/play from a piano.
I refuse to compare Bechstein and Steinway Hamburg because they’ve always been both number one for me. My only standard is that German Pianos are always going to be Tier 1. All German pianos, for me, are always going to shine better than others.
The Steinway tends to be more ringy, almost sounding like a Yamaha. I would say the highest octave does sound better on the Steinway, but the Bechstein is better everywhere else. Both pianos sound cluttered to me. I'd like to hear a comparison between a Bechstein and a Fazioli.
So, Steinway sonunds more "concertly" then Bechtein, BUT Bechtein has very soft sound as this music.. For that piece Bechtein is IDEAL! But on concerts Stainway is 1st! What if Fazioli or Kawai with Steinway? If you ask me, Steinway is very good for big concert halls, and profesional pianists.. In other options word Steinway just sounds nice, because it will be nothing in just room... everything will disappear.. But Steinway S is also great choice for rooms.. I've never played Bechtein, and don't know it's touch and keyboard.. so here they are both very good i think..
The Bechstein just sounds overall absolutely GORGEOUS!! Something like mouth-melting alpine chocolate! The Steinway - IMHO - a little excess of brightness on the trebles, other than that, sounds very good as well.
That's the infamous Hamburg Steinway tone you are talking about that makes it distinctive. There are many beautiful recordings done on different pianos, but I can always tell when certain recordings are made on Hamburg Steinways.
I had one of each. My heart went to the Bechstein made in 1939. The Steinway was too old and too bright. But I also played a Steinway D in a concert hall, for television, and that was totally different, it was a wonderful piano, playing a single note with intense feeling made people cry, I suggest you try one, you will be blown away! And the key weight is about 50 or 55 g, which is very low. It is very easy to play a Steinway D, and it is extremely precise in touch and response, very friendly for any pianist. I would like one of each again. The sound of the modern Bechstein is different from the older Bechstein, be careful if you choose one.
Из этой пары Bechstein, конечно, богаче по тембру. Недаром военно-воздушные силы США во время Второй мировой войны так нещадно бомбили местности, где производили эти благородные рояли (чтобы в будущем убрать конкурентов американских Steinway). Правда, в последние годы итальянский Fazioli F308 превзошёл, как мне кажется, все современные рояли (включая Bösendorfer, Bechstein, Steinway Hamburg). Огромнейшая мощь, необыкновенная звучность, басы profundo и при том нежнейшая бархатистость звука Fazioli не оставят никого равнодушным. Если кто-то не согласен, послушайте как Francesco Nicolosi исполняет Thalberg-Bellini. Что же касается самой Aniko Drabon, то её интерпретация Liebestraum Листа очень одухотворенна и лирична. Ну и сама она - очень эффектная и красивая женщина. Спасибо за клип.
beach5stringer I agree. My favourite brands are Grotrian, (vintage) Mason & Hamlin, Steingräber and Bluthner. Some Bechsteins sound just wonderful like this one, somehow I find that the treble in some (smaller) models isn't always to my liking.. This old Bechstein is great I think: watch?v=iwmB8gh7ZJ8 I'm one of those who'd rather buy a 100 years old restored Steinway than a brand new one ;-)
Listening to it one more time, it seems like the Bechstein, silky and beautiful as it is, also gives no quarter in filling up the room with sound when required to do so. I must discover oil in my back yard immediately so I can get mine.
Een schitterende vleugel die qua klank ergens tussen de Steinway en de Bösendorfer in zit zonder een compromis te zijn. Een bijzonder mooie klank. Nobel! Vreemd eigenlijk dat je zoweinig van deze prachtige instrumenten op het concertpodium ziet. In deze goede vergelijking van de twee absolute topinstrumenten die onder gelijke omstandigheden zijn opgenomen en bespeeld worden door een kundige en prachtige pianiste. Een uitstekende video. Ik vind de Bechstein mooier dan de Steinway. De Steinway is mooi maar de Bechstein is Edeler in haar toonkwaliteiten. Als de beste materialen van zangbodem vilt en snaren en uiteraard dit alles aangestuurd door een goed mechaniek dan heb je een topinstrument. Ode aan de instrumentbouwers want zonder deze vaklieden zou geen muziek tot klinken komen
it is realy so difficult to say where is the better sound. I listen you video many times and my final ist the the Bechstein. Bechstein is more singing at this is my style what i love to play also. Also the feelings are much more present on Bechstein. But this is only my feeling
i heard in the B more "Bell" like sound buzzinf in the mid high notes of the begining..?.. not un the S?? But un the bases the B wins i would choose the C. Bechstein. And if i get for christmas a Stenway, i woudl sell it And Buy me a Bechstein 😵
Bechstein sounds better to my amateur ears. Lets not forget the piano maestro Jorge Bolet, the best Liszt interpreter in the world played only with Bechstein pianos.
Bechstein has a bell-like timbre, which very clear, but as you start playing more pieces on it, it lacks Steinways versatility. Steinway is the most complex piano with the most complex timbre, so you can do lots of stuffs on it, and it fits well the entire piano repertoire, despite being the most rounded sound and even so the most potent piano for a large room.
Bechstien & Steinway both are worlds best piano makers companies both have different design and different concept. It’s always a difficult to say which is better because both have unique sound characters but Bechstien’s are more versatile and consistent. Steinway wins the game only because they are super active in doing marketing from the beginning and that’s the reason why most of the classical music concert prefers Steinway’s model D. 97% of concerts you can see the Steinway’s model D & now from many years that sound is registered in audiences ears that’s the only fact. But now Kawai is slowly entering in the market with the Shegeru piano& the character of Shegeru Kawai is very much like a Steinway’s model D. Bechstien need to do some out of the box marketing to break this chain. I love Bechstien pianos a lot! ❤️
To my ears, I will take the Steinway D. The highs on the Bechstein D sounded upright piano high to me, not full. Bechstein D is a lovely instrument but I hear the Sympathetic resonance better, with my old ears, on the Steinway D. Wonderful piano playing! Bravo
@@peterpeaceful1495 Incorrect. There was a predecessor to the current D 282 with different scaling, but its length was 282cm all the same. You can take look at its plate in the Berlin HQ store.
Both pianos sound great, it is a matter of taste. If both were voiced and regulated by the same technitian, then the comparison would be better, but the sound of a piano can be greatly affected by voicing and regulating it. Arthur Rubinstein, who only played in Hamburg made Steinway D pianos, had his pianos regulated and voiced to his choice and there was one piano which he traveled with to most of his concerts, because it was that single piano that he loved. Here is a video in which you can know more about this story ruclips.net/video/Ez04D5QzEYs/видео.html Enjoy!
Airbeast Actually, it's really all about the voicing and regulation. . . Even so that I've been playing for over 50 years, I'm not by a long shot a good player. Nevertheless, I'll never forget the time that my girfriend cleaned the keys of my SD-6: It was like I was sitting in front of a piano I had never played before.
I prefer steinway, with its deeper and its many colours of sound. You can have all with steinway But the bechstein i played (not that of the video, that unfortunately i find too cold) if you take care on touch, you can have a very sweet and unique sound
Mindig megnézem ezeket az összehasonlításokat, mindíg várom hogy ...na talán majd ez az új fejlesztésű Bechstein, vagy Yamaha, vagy az új Bősendorfer, vagy a Fazioli.... és abban a pillanatban amikor hallom őket, akkor el is hiszem hogy na most sikerült , de amikor ismét meghallom a jó öreg Steinway-t mindíg rá kell jönnöm hogy a Steinway-vel nincs bírás. Sok zongora megverte már sok mindenben , részletekben, hol ebben, hol abban, de ha egybe teszem az egészet, mindent fel a mérlegre, a Steinway azon kívül hogy tökéletes csomag, még mindíg van benne valami, valami a lelkében ami a többiben nincs, a Steinway hangulat, a Steinway hangzás, és sajnos ez a Steinway "varázs" a lényeg. (Tényleg ne vagyok Steinway mániákus, alig várom hogy legyen ennél is jobb... de sajnos még mindíg nincs) U.I. Gratulálok Anikó ! Nagyon szép előadás volt. (ezzel kellett volna kezdenem, bocsi)
Even though I love the tone of both instruments, I would take the Steinway. It's clear sound, soft touch, and accuracy caught my attention. Keep it up Aniko! Bravo!!
Beide Stücke klingen sehr gut, jedes eben anders, weil ein Instrument ein Lebewesen ist. Nicht jeder Steinway ist gut, viele klingen schon eher wie ein Yamaha nur noch lauter. Der Bechstein gefällt mir in der Mittellage besser als der Steinway in dieser Aufnahme, beide finde ich aber im Diskant zu bissig. Ich selbst habe mich für einen Schimmel entschieden, der ist so weich wie Samt, ohne dabei muffig zu sein. Wie wäre es, noch ein weiteres Instrument in diesen Vergleich mit einzubeziehen? Ich werde die Diskussion weiterhin verfolgen.
the old Bechstein model E (8'10") was a much sweeter piano than the new D282. I think (and many others agree with me) that Bechstein have made a major error in re-designing their pianos to be stronger, more powerful, losing the wonderful lyric quality that once entranced the likes of Schnabel and Kempff.
I only played on a Bechstein for a few minutes about 40 years ago: It was the sweetest sounding piano I have ever heard. It was the day that I bought my Baldwin SD-6. There was one new 9' Bechstein available in the showroom. I actually got goose bumps when I played it. Unfortunately, the Bechstein was over $23,000.00 (1975 dollars) versus the $5,500.00 that I paid for the 10 year old, good as new Baldwin, which I still have and play every day.
Thomas I had a similar experience in 2002 when I met my 13 year old 7' "Schimmel" - goose bumps and all. I played everything in the shop that day - but got stuck at the Schimmel. It was way out of my price range at $43000. Over 6 months later I came back to the shop. There was a sale on with the same piano at $35000. I spoke to my bank manager, got an extension on my mortgage and brought the piano. 13 years later I still play it most days (probably an average of an hour a day), and think I own the best piano that I've ever played. The Schimmel has a beautiful soft action. I've only ever once had the opportunity to play a Steinway, but my level of piano knowledge at the time was insufficient to appreciate what I was doing - let's just say I didn't get goose bumps on that day. Do I have any regrets about such an outlandish purchase? No, I do not.
I agree. But I think they have a good reason to brighten them. One, to project in bigger halls, 2) to cut through orchestra and 3) to play in other styles of music, like jazz, pop, or arranged instrumental music.
@@benjaminsmith2287 But in doing so, they really threw out the baby with the bathwater, IMHO. The model EN280, which they introduced in the mid 1970's, was a nice compromise, adding more power and brilliance while retaining the lyricism. But in recent years the re-designed from the ground up. And while they were at it. moved the factory to a rural area with lower tax rate. Do I smell a bit of business bean-counting over art and craft?
@@studentjohn35 Business reasons, yes, but not necessarily bean counting. I, too, prefer the EN280 and sweeter sound with power or the lyrical tone of older C. Bechsteins. I'm not always one to like older instruments. It depends on the manufacturer.
The Bechstein concert grand is a wonderful, powerful piano but the Hamburg Steinway D is virtually as powerful and has an even more beautiful tone. Listen to the mids and highs and you will understand what I a referring to.
In this recording, not knowing further details like room temperature, strength of key stroke, etc, the Steinway compared to the Bechstein sounds tinny.- In diesem Video respektive Aufnahme, ohne weitere Details zu kennen, klingt der Steinway blechern.
They always sound tiny BonFire71 - except the Steinways of old. If you listen to a modern Steinway in a small concert room you'll run for cover, except if the pianist is top rate and experienced.
There is in my opinion no doubt that this Hamburg Steinway has the more beautiful tone. It must be recognized however that unlike C. Bechstein, which produces consistently excellent pianos, Steinway and especially New York Steinway produces some excellent pianos and some that are not good regarding sound and/or touch. It is lamentable that Steinway has such predominance on the world concert stage. One should acknowledge that this is principally due to their much superior marketing and very successful Steinway Artist Program where Steinway artists are penalized should they ever dare to request and use a different brand piano for a concert. In summary, there are concert pianos that are at least Hamburg Steinway's equal (e.g. C. Bechstein and even Estonia) and that are New York Steinway's superior.
Edward Ferdon Can you describe what makes the Hamburg Steinway sound better than the C. Bechstein, in your opinion?. Personally, i thought they sounded very similar and equally good in the bass and tenor sections, with the Steinway maybe slightly more mellow sounding. But that the C. Bechstein was stronger in the high treble section, with a more pure and clear tone, more musical.
***** actually it is worth the debate because Steinways hold their value exceptionally well but there are other pianos that sound wonderful while costing less (or sometimes more) money. But I agree that most modern pianos sound very similar and they all seem to model the signature Steinway sound more or less.
retrogamerdave I think Bosendorfer may be one of the few exceptions to that rule. It's the only piano brand which i can differentiate from Steinway by hearing the sound alone.
It's true that a lot of people can't always identify different piano makes in blind tests. I like that at least it is the same pianist and that she plays the whole piece. I think comparisons with small excerpts played by different pianists aren't a good comparison, and comments change when people don't know which piano is which. Agree with you about acoustics and especially technicians.
the Steinway looks like model B, way shorter than the Bechstein, look at 5.06 the S&S is way shorter. Maybe I am wrong but if it was comparison of B 280 vs S&S B ..... BTW the Steinway sounds much better.
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Bechstein's the winner here for me - there's more 'air' in the sound, better singing quality and no brittleness. Most of all, there's just a magic in how the sound all hangs together.
My Bechstein Grand Piano is being delivered tomorrow. I can't wait!!
The C. Bechstein D282 sound is pure magic.
The Bechstein sound is pure magic.
I remeber playing on a very old C. Bechstein grand in school, the piano was literally falling apart, yet to this day it was the most joy I have ever had playing the piano, the light and reponsive keys, as well as the beautiful tone was magical.
I think the fortunes of these two companies had a lot to do with WWII, where C. Bechstein was strongly associated with Nazi's while Steinway was seen as an American company. Anyway, it's most likely the sentiment, I do prefer the Bechstein here, seem to have little more purity in the tone, which make it more beautiful playing such piece.
Just inherited Bechstein from my grandma. It's the sweetest piano I ever play. Soft and light :)
There both beautiful piano's and I would not mind having either!!
Same!
I hope I can buy one piano in this price range someday...
Quinn Riutta you're comment is the perfect comment 👍
No contest. incredible sweet sound and tone on Bechstein. maybe the best rendition i ever heard on this piece played on Bechstein. The music must be able to breathe and it does. Incredibly played. Thank you Aniko.
Bechstein’s bass is so clear yet super warm, I can’t get enough of playing Bechsteins.
Isn't Bosendorfer better?
Or Fazioli?
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To untrained ears like mine, I feel the Bechstein is more mellow and rounder, but the Steinway is clearer and has more piercing treble. The Bechstein is closer to my taste...especially for this particular piece of music. More dreamy and creamy on the Bechstein. Maybe the Steinway is better for Bach?
I totally agree. I'm hardly an expert pianist, but I far prefer the more mellow sound. The piercing tone of the Steinway's treble is a little harsh for my taste
Steinway's, if prepared right, sound fantastic with a lot of richness to their tone and good articulation. They can be made to project over an orchestra, so then the piercing treble makes more sense. But, yes, the piercing treble is present in a good amount of Steinways.
Steinway for Beethoven and earlier Liszt, Bechstein for late Liszt and Debussy. For Chopin, I might need one of each because his music is always sublime in beauty but often breathtaking in its aggressiveness.
Not that Steinway's aren't brilliant, but I kind of find them lacking in personality. That may be because they've become so ubiquitous that we associate the sound of a Steinway with a "standard" grand piano, but they don't have that twinkling glassy sound on the high notes or bombastic thunder on the low.
Steinway is good for Beethoven and Mozart. And of course with/against an orchestra. For everything else? Kind of trash not going to lie. Bechstein is especially brilliant with Bach!!!
Both are excellent. I couldn't tell any difference. Both delivered beautiful exceptional sound. So beautiful Too beautiful for words.
If you listen very closely, the Hamburg has a different shimmer to the tone. Very hard to describe, but it's like a sheen that sparkles above the foundation of the tone. You can pick this out more easily in the treble (higher) registers. Fine Hamburg Steinways (the one in this clip included) have this quality that gives it a very distinctive sound in recordings.
This Bechstein also has this extra layer of sheen, but it's not as distinctive the Hamburg's - it's more homogenous to the core tone, giving it quite a powerful, solid tone overall.
Bechstein is deffinitly underestimated, this is wonderfull grand
Simply the best interpretation of my favorite composition I've ever heard. . . Bar none!
I like the Bechstein better: Iit's more mellow and "singing", perfect for this piece.
0:03 Bechstein
4:46 Stenway
I agree with several of the comments below that vote for the Bechstein . . . some rather harsher tones in the upper octaves in the Steinway spoil the party a little. I'd STILL take Steinway home in a heartbeat though and ask a technician to voice the hammers a wee bit : ) But Beckstein wins here IMHO
Yes, the Steinway, when properly voiced is unbeatable. Here it's too bright in the upper registers.
Sehr schön und musikalisch gespielt! (=selten!) Such musicality feeling is rar to here!
To me, the Steinway has a "bigger" and warmer sound, but the clear tone of the Bechstein is just gorgeous!!
Stage is windy. Somebody close the door
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other pianos play, Bechstein SING
This is a great interpretation. Thank You Aniko!
Very hard question. Really hard to tell. Each one has its beauty. Both sehr gut~!:D
Bravo - A wonderful performance. Thank you for sharing.
While I have a favourite here, much of this is subjective, and I'd love to own either of these instruments.
Thank you so much for putting this video together and uploading it here! So nice initiative! Amazing sounds on both. Everybody has a personal preference which shouldn't be counted as a "picking a winner." Choosing a preferred sounding piano is a very beautiful thing as us humans we can do this and enjoy what each one likes to do.
wow - diese Klarheit. Einfach genial! So möchte ich auch spielen ... immerhin, ich spiele Piano ;-)
La calidad tradicional de Bechstein se impone. La reina emperatriz Victoria, los zares de Rusia y varas casas reales y de la aristocracia europea tenían como proveedor oficial a Carl Bechstein.
Großartige musik für mich als ganz kleiner pianisz sehr lehrreich ind informativ.
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Fwiw I like begining with Steinway and the ending with Bechstein. Higher harmonics in the low registers with Bechstein sound a little unusual probably because we are so used to hearing Steinway timbre.
These are both two wonderful pianos. However, I have been saying for quite some time now, that I would choose a Bechstein D 282 over a Steinway D.
Also try Stuart & Sons, Steingraeber and Sohne, Fazioli and Bosendorfer. Sauter aren't bad either. I have an upright myself...
can you hear the sound increasing itself ? in steinway there is no such thing, coz they make them only of maple, bechstein uses 4-5 woods to increase reverb
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I nowadays have the privilege of playing a Hamburg Model D which is just astounding, so I have a pretty good internal image of the sound. I used to play a Bechstein, too, for many years, so I think I know the sound. On this video, neither piano sounds particularly great, nor particularly as I would expect, although the piano playing is delightful. I don't hear any of the clarity or the richness that I associate with the Steinway, and the Bechstein is rather shrill. I doubt if either of them actually sounded that way in the studio.
I hear the versatility of Steinway here... Bechstein has a quite beautiful beginning but Steinway has more color and character distinction between sections... from lyrical to bombastic full sound playing.
Bechstein and Stenway Both Great Pianos! No there comparisons! Two excelent's piano's Sound!
@@correasilvio2010 "excellent piano sound" is a generic statement that does not classify exactly the difference of timbre among them. we can develop more about what we hear/play from a piano.
I dont know how to scribe,but I really love soud of Bechstein D
ohhhhhh wow wie schön!!!!!!
I refuse to compare Bechstein and Steinway Hamburg because they’ve always been both number one for me. My only standard is that German Pianos are always going to be Tier 1. All German pianos, for me, are always going to shine better than others.
Covered my eyes and picked the first performance. Bechstein. There you go... To me it seemed to sing more....
The Steinway tends to be more ringy, almost sounding like a Yamaha. I would say the highest octave does sound better on the Steinway, but the Bechstein is better everywhere else. Both pianos sound cluttered to me. I'd like to hear a comparison between a Bechstein and a Fazioli.
So, Steinway sonunds more "concertly" then Bechtein, BUT Bechtein has very soft sound as this music.. For that piece Bechtein is IDEAL! But on concerts Stainway is 1st! What if Fazioli or Kawai with Steinway?
If you ask me, Steinway is very good for big concert halls, and profesional pianists..
In other options word Steinway just sounds nice, because it will be nothing in just room... everything will disappear.. But Steinway S is also great choice for rooms.. I've never played Bechtein, and don't know it's touch and keyboard.. so here they are both very good i think..
it is very light but also heavy on steinways
For this piece I choose Bechstein .
Sounded great! Now all I need is a piano that can majestically blow the wind through my hair xD
The Bechstein just sounds overall absolutely GORGEOUS!! Something like mouth-melting alpine chocolate! The Steinway - IMHO - a little excess of brightness on the trebles, other than that, sounds very good as well.
That's the infamous Hamburg Steinway tone you are talking about that makes it distinctive. There are many beautiful recordings done on different pianos, but I can always tell when certain recordings are made on Hamburg Steinways.
I had one of each. My heart went to the Bechstein made in 1939. The Steinway was too old and too bright. But I also played a Steinway D in a concert hall, for television, and that was totally different, it was a wonderful piano, playing a single note with intense feeling made people cry, I suggest you try one, you will be blown away! And the key weight is about 50 or 55 g, which is very low. It is very easy to play a Steinway D, and it is extremely precise in touch and response, very friendly for any pianist. I would like one of each again. The sound of the modern Bechstein is different from the older Bechstein, be careful if you choose one.
Из этой пары Bechstein, конечно, богаче по тембру. Недаром военно-воздушные силы США во время Второй мировой войны так нещадно бомбили местности, где производили эти благородные рояли (чтобы в будущем убрать конкурентов американских Steinway). Правда, в последние годы итальянский Fazioli F308 превзошёл, как мне кажется, все современные рояли (включая Bösendorfer, Bechstein, Steinway Hamburg). Огромнейшая мощь, необыкновенная звучность, басы profundo и при том нежнейшая бархатистость звука Fazioli не оставят никого равнодушным. Если кто-то не согласен, послушайте как Francesco Nicolosi исполняет Thalberg-Bellini. Что же касается самой Aniko Drabon, то её интерпретация Liebestraum Листа очень одухотворенна и лирична. Ну и сама она - очень эффектная и красивая женщина. Спасибо за клип.
Bechstein is the CLEAR winner. (and I sold Steinways for years)
beach5stringer Now throw in a Petrof:)
beach5stringer I agree. My favourite brands are Grotrian, (vintage) Mason & Hamlin, Steingräber and Bluthner. Some Bechsteins sound just wonderful like this one, somehow I find that the treble in some (smaller) models isn't always to my liking.. This old Bechstein is great I think: watch?v=iwmB8gh7ZJ8 I'm one of those who'd rather buy a 100 years old restored Steinway than a brand new one ;-)
Listening to it one more time, it seems like the Bechstein, silky and beautiful as it is, also gives no quarter in filling up the room with sound when required to do so. I must discover oil in my back yard immediately so I can get mine.
Dein Spiel ist bezaubernd. grusse aus Holland Laurens
Een schitterende vleugel die qua klank ergens tussen de Steinway en de Bösendorfer in zit zonder een compromis te zijn. Een bijzonder mooie klank. Nobel! Vreemd eigenlijk dat je zoweinig van deze prachtige instrumenten op het concertpodium ziet. In deze goede vergelijking van de twee absolute
topinstrumenten die onder gelijke omstandigheden zijn opgenomen en bespeeld worden door een kundige en prachtige pianiste. Een uitstekende video. Ik vind de Bechstein mooier dan de Steinway. De Steinway is mooi maar de Bechstein is Edeler in haar toonkwaliteiten. Als de beste materialen van zangbodem vilt en snaren en uiteraard dit alles aangestuurd door een goed mechaniek dan heb je een topinstrument. Ode aan de instrumentbouwers want zonder deze vaklieden zou geen muziek tot klinken komen
I would go for both of them ;)
Bechstein
it is realy so difficult to say where is the better sound. I listen you video many times and my final ist the the Bechstein. Bechstein is more singing at this is my style what i love to play also. Also the feelings are much more present on Bechstein. But this is only my feeling
i heard in the B more "Bell" like sound buzzinf in the mid high notes of the begining..?.. not un the S?? But un the bases the B wins
i would choose the C. Bechstein.
And if i get for christmas a Stenway, i woudl sell it And Buy me a Bechstein 😵
Bechstein sounds better to my amateur ears. Lets not forget the piano maestro
Jorge Bolet, the best Liszt interpreter in the world played only with Bechstein pianos.
He also played Baldwin.
Bechstein has a bell-like timbre, which very clear, but as you start playing more pieces on it, it lacks Steinways versatility. Steinway is the most complex piano with the most complex timbre, so you can do lots of stuffs on it, and it fits well the entire piano repertoire, despite being the most rounded sound and even so the most potent piano for a large room.
@@LuisKolodin Finally someone who knows what he's talking about!
Sehr schöne Musik. Wie wäre es denn mit einer Beschreibung unter dem Video sowie eine Kanalbeschreibung?
Now im happy... I have celviano ap 700 that have sampling bechstein 😆😆
Bechstien & Steinway both are worlds best piano makers companies both have different design and different concept. It’s always a difficult to say which is better because both have unique sound characters but Bechstien’s are more versatile and consistent. Steinway wins the game only because they are super active in doing marketing from the beginning and that’s the reason why most of the classical music concert prefers Steinway’s model D. 97% of concerts you can see the Steinway’s model D & now from many years that sound is registered in audiences ears that’s the only fact. But now Kawai is slowly entering in the market with the Shegeru piano& the character of Shegeru Kawai is very much like a Steinway’s model D. Bechstien need to do some out of the box marketing to break this chain. I love Bechstien pianos a lot! ❤️
To my ears, I will take the Steinway D. The highs on the Bechstein D sounded upright piano high to me, not full. Bechstein D is a lovely instrument but I hear the Sympathetic resonance better, with my old ears, on the Steinway D. Wonderful piano playing! Bravo
Small correction: The Bechstein D is 282cm, not 280 as its predecessors. What a gorgeous piano.
The D280 lasted for about a decade, before growing into the D282.
@@peterpeaceful1495 Incorrect. There was a predecessor to the current D 282 with different scaling, but its length was 282cm all the same. You can take look at its plate in the Berlin HQ store.
Steinway D NY touch my soul.....
Both pianos sound great, it is a matter of taste. If both were voiced and regulated by the same technitian, then the comparison would be better, but the sound of a piano can be greatly affected by voicing and regulating it. Arthur Rubinstein, who only played in Hamburg made Steinway D pianos, had his pianos regulated and voiced to his choice and there was one piano which he traveled with to most of his concerts, because it was that single piano that he loved. Here is a video in which you can know more about this story ruclips.net/video/Ez04D5QzEYs/видео.html
Enjoy!
Airbeast Actually, it's really all about the voicing and regulation. . .
Even so that I've been playing for over 50 years, I'm not by a long shot a good player. Nevertheless, I'll never forget the time that my girfriend cleaned the keys of my SD-6: It was like I was sitting in front of a piano I had never played before.
I think if Aniko played on a clapped out old banger it would still sound great
I like them both! (tongue in cheek...)
Bechstein creates more spiritual sound. It surpasses Steinway to my ear for sure.
I prefer steinway, with its deeper and its many colours of sound. You can have all with steinway
But the bechstein i played (not that of the video, that unfortunately i find too cold) if you take care on touch, you can have a very sweet and unique sound
Có cảm giác như chỉ cần đặt tay lên phím và đàn sẽ tự vang lên theo cảm xúc của người chơi, tuyệt!
Bechstein sounds better, but it's hard to know if it's the piano or the recording of the piano.
Steinway best for sure. Clarity as well as mellow tone.
Was the Steinway a New York or Hamburg Steinway? Presumably a Hamburg Steinway?
I just wanted to write what a beautiful woman pianist.
Is this one of the new regime Bechsteins, or the mid-20c variety?
What was Aniko's opinion? :)
Mindig megnézem ezeket az összehasonlításokat, mindíg várom hogy ...na talán majd ez az új fejlesztésű Bechstein, vagy Yamaha, vagy az új Bősendorfer, vagy a Fazioli.... és abban a pillanatban amikor hallom őket, akkor el is hiszem hogy na most sikerült , de amikor ismét meghallom a jó öreg Steinway-t mindíg rá kell jönnöm hogy a Steinway-vel nincs bírás. Sok zongora megverte már sok mindenben , részletekben, hol ebben, hol abban, de ha egybe teszem az egészet, mindent fel a mérlegre, a Steinway azon kívül hogy tökéletes csomag, még mindíg van benne valami, valami a lelkében ami a többiben nincs, a Steinway hangulat, a Steinway hangzás, és sajnos ez a Steinway "varázs" a lényeg. (Tényleg ne vagyok Steinway mániákus, alig várom hogy legyen ennél is jobb... de sajnos még mindíg nincs) U.I. Gratulálok Anikó ! Nagyon szép előadás volt. (ezzel kellett volna kezdenem, bocsi)
The Bechstein is supperb. Maybe the Steinway needs better tuning ? I don't know, I am not an exert.
i do not know why everyone says and prefers steinway steinway steinway steinway i m tired of it... Bechstein is just ... NO WORDS!
Well then, buy the Bechstein and leave the Steinway to professionals!
Even though I love the tone of both instruments, I would take the Steinway. It's clear sound, soft touch, and accuracy caught my attention. Keep it up Aniko! Bravo!!
beckstein treble rang too noisy for me. may be suited for a concerto.
Beide Stücke klingen sehr gut, jedes eben anders, weil ein Instrument ein Lebewesen ist. Nicht jeder Steinway ist gut, viele klingen schon eher wie ein Yamaha nur noch lauter. Der Bechstein gefällt mir in der Mittellage besser als der Steinway in dieser Aufnahme, beide finde ich aber im Diskant zu bissig. Ich selbst habe mich für einen Schimmel entschieden, der ist so weich wie Samt, ohne dabei muffig zu sein. Wie wäre es, noch ein weiteres Instrument in diesen Vergleich mit einzubeziehen? Ich werde die Diskussion weiterhin verfolgen.
the old Bechstein model E (8'10") was a much sweeter piano than the new D282. I think (and many others agree with me) that Bechstein have made a major error in re-designing their pianos to be stronger, more powerful, losing the wonderful lyric quality that once entranced the likes of Schnabel and Kempff.
I only played on a Bechstein for a few minutes about 40 years ago: It was the sweetest sounding piano I have ever heard.
It was the day that I bought my Baldwin SD-6. There was one new 9' Bechstein available in the showroom. I actually got goose bumps when I played it.
Unfortunately, the Bechstein was over $23,000.00 (1975 dollars) versus the $5,500.00 that I paid for the 10 year old, good as new Baldwin, which I still have and play every day.
Thomas I had a similar experience in 2002 when I met my 13 year old 7' "Schimmel" - goose bumps and all. I played everything in the shop that day - but got stuck at the Schimmel. It was way out of my price range at $43000. Over 6 months later I came back to the shop. There was a sale on with the same piano at $35000. I spoke to my bank manager, got an extension on my mortgage and brought the piano. 13 years later I still play it most days (probably an average of an hour a day), and think I own the best piano that I've ever played.
The Schimmel has a beautiful soft action. I've only ever once had the opportunity to play a Steinway, but my level of piano knowledge at the time was insufficient to appreciate what I was doing - let's just say I didn't get goose bumps on that day.
Do I have any regrets about such an outlandish purchase? No, I do not.
I agree. But I think they have a good reason to brighten them. One, to project in bigger halls, 2) to cut through orchestra and 3) to play in other styles of music, like jazz, pop, or arranged instrumental music.
@@benjaminsmith2287 But in doing so, they really threw out the baby with the bathwater, IMHO. The model EN280, which they introduced in the mid 1970's, was a nice compromise, adding more power and brilliance while retaining the lyricism. But in recent years the re-designed from the ground up. And while they were at it. moved the factory to a rural area with lower tax rate. Do I smell a bit of business bean-counting over art and craft?
@@studentjohn35 Business reasons, yes, but not necessarily bean counting. I, too, prefer the EN280 and sweeter sound with power or the lyrical tone of older C. Bechsteins. I'm not always one to like older instruments. It depends on the manufacturer.
Can i download this for offline ?
Bechstein is the Winner because the Bechstein D282 pianos have a very rich tone and true colors. Whilst Steinway is true tune.
Franz Liszt would be proud
Steinway has considerably more transparency, more variation of color and shading.
Bechstein..more powerfull on basse tones.Steinway more well balanced between basse and high tones....Both are very good..
Steinway tenor and bass, Bechstein treble are the winners to my ears.
The Bechstein concert grand is a wonderful, powerful piano but the Hamburg Steinway D is virtually as powerful and has an even more beautiful tone. Listen to the mids and highs and you will understand what I a referring to.
For a piano recital, Bechstein; for a concert with big orchestra, Steinway
is this idil biret or aniko drabon ?
In this recording, not knowing further details like room temperature, strength of key stroke, etc, the Steinway compared to the Bechstein sounds tinny.- In diesem Video respektive Aufnahme, ohne weitere Details zu kennen, klingt der Steinway blechern.
They always sound tiny BonFire71 - except the Steinways of old.
If you listen to a modern Steinway in a small concert room you'll run for cover, except if the pianist is top rate and experienced.
There is in my opinion no doubt that this Hamburg Steinway has the more beautiful tone. It must be recognized however that unlike C. Bechstein, which produces consistently excellent pianos, Steinway and especially New York Steinway produces some excellent pianos and some that are not good regarding sound and/or touch. It is lamentable that Steinway has such predominance on the world concert stage. One should acknowledge that this is principally due to their much superior marketing and very successful Steinway Artist Program where Steinway artists are penalized should they ever dare to request and use a different brand piano for a concert. In summary, there are concert pianos that are at least Hamburg Steinway's equal (e.g. C. Bechstein and even Estonia) and that are New York Steinway's superior.
Edward Ferdon Can you describe what makes the Hamburg Steinway sound better than the C. Bechstein, in your opinion?. Personally, i thought they sounded very similar and equally good in the bass and tenor sections, with the Steinway maybe slightly more mellow sounding. But that the C. Bechstein was stronger in the high treble section, with a more pure and clear tone, more musical.
***** actually it is worth the debate because Steinways hold their value exceptionally well but there are other pianos that sound wonderful while costing less (or sometimes more) money. But I agree that most modern pianos sound very similar and they all seem to model the signature Steinway sound more or less.
retrogamerdave I think Bosendorfer may be one of the few exceptions to that rule. It's the only piano brand which i can differentiate from Steinway by hearing the sound alone.
It's true that a lot of people can't always identify different piano makes in blind tests. I like that at least it is the same pianist and that she plays the whole piece. I think comparisons with small excerpts played by different pianists aren't a good comparison, and comments change when people don't know which piano is which. Agree with you about acoustics and especially technicians.
I would say Blüthner also tries very, very hard to keep a consistent sound that is quite far away from todays Steinway dominance
C Bechstein the best!
I prefered Bechstein for this music!
la compressione audio fa sì che entrambi i pianoforti suonino praticamente mutilati. pessima cosa...
Both are wonderful. But to me the Steinway D wins. It’s just needs to be voiced a bit mellower
Some of the higher notes are way out of tune. Is it Me? Or is it so?
1:13 Bechstein
5:55 Stenway
Bechstein to me..... Note so deep
Bechstein, forever Bechstein! Too Blutner, Bosendorfer, Fazioli, Petrov, August Foster, Gotrian, Steingraber!
the Steinway looks like model B, way shorter than the Bechstein, look at 5.06 the S&S is way shorter. Maybe I am wrong but if it was comparison of B 280 vs S&S B ..... BTW the Steinway sounds much better.
It's a Hamburg D. Bechstein is bigger at 282 cm where the Hamburg D is 274.
in this comparison, I think Bechstain is the winner...
Bechstein a bit brighter
Bechstein ;)
bechstein!!!! of course