Just listened to Made In Japan last night. I am like you I know every part of the Album. It is one of the few Album's I never get tired of. In Rock the same.
"Deep Purple - In Rock" was the first album I purchased back in 1974 and it's the album that made me want to play the guitar. I was a Purple/Blackmore devotee from then on and still am. I must give a shout out to the great Roger Glover though. He's always overlooked in Deep Purple but the more I return to the studio albums and especially "Made In Japan", it's Glover and Paice driving that thing like a nuclear powered freight train. Ian Paice is the link from Buddy Rich to modern rock drummers and Roger Glover would make anyone want to play bass with a pick, right up there with Paul McCartney.
As I recall, the drummers in Sabbath, Purple and Zeppelin grew up listening to jazz drummers, or jazz drummers were their main od biggest infuences. So they were capable to create that distinctive groove in those bands, which many or even most heavy metal drummers nowadays cannot create.
Steven Wilson is such a cool record nerd and knows more about the classic rock "recording" history than just about anyone I have ever come across. So glad to see him sit down, relax and spill his heart on these records from this incredible era. There really was something special about pop/rock/R&B 1967 to about 1982. Great stuff after this, but a different era had begun in 1983/84 in my opinion.
Yeah Captain Beyond! I was fortunate to meet Lee Dorman in '99. I eagerly thanked him at his hotel room door as he was getting ready to sleep. He said doing that first album was "a labor of love".
yeah, Lee Dorman and Rhino (bass&guitar) had been playing together in Iron Butterfly for some time so when they worked on the first Captain Beyond album they were a tight unit. The album is full of heavy riffs and time signatures. Drums are incredible (Bobby Caldwell was in Johnny Winter) and vocals amazing (Rod Evans was in Deep Purple). Second album (Sufficiantly Breathless) is ok but Bobby Caldwell is no longer in the band. @apollomemories7399 yeah, Lee Dorman and Rhino (bass&guitar) had been playing together in Iron Butterfly for some time so when they worked on the first Captain Beyond album they were a tight unit. The album is full of heavy riffs and time signatures. Drums are incredible (Bobby Caldwell was in Johnny Winter) and vocals amazing (Rod Evans was in Deep Purple). Second album (Sufficiantly Breathless) is ok but Bobby Caldwell is no longer in the band.
Great discussion, wonderful space you’ve got for people to catch-up and unwind. My first musical blossoming/adolescence was around 2000-2007. We had a plethora of incredible underground and experimental rock bands, but mainstream rock was dying so I turned to classic rock for that more structured, focused and accessible backbone. Solid records mentioned here, makes me want to do a double take. Cheers!
@@kimholland9316 On the contrary - outside of the pages of Classic Rock, Quo are conspicuous by their absence in a lot of these discussions and it’s great to see them being given their due. Piledriver to Live! was a golden streak of albums.
I have a soft spot for almost all the Mk2 era albums up to and including 'Just Testing' but excluding the 'Locked In' release. My entry point (in real time) was 'New England'. That one blew me away. I still have all the 70s albums on my original vinyl.
I'd argue that it was Humble Pie's Rockin' The Fillmore from the year before that started the double live album thing. It was probably their finest hour too.
The Humble Pie Live Filmore Album was released November 1971 (exact date I do not know). The Miles Davis Double album Live Evil was released 17/11/1971. The Allman Brothers double Live Filmore album was released July 1971. The Miles Davis double Live album was released October 1970. The Chicago 4 LP Live at Carnegie Hall was released October 1971.
Argus is the Wishbone Ash masterpiece, yes! There's the Rub is an under-appreciated album too, every bit as tight and with the hauntingly beautiful Persephone. Then they surprised us in 2020 with Coat of Arms, a powerful return to form.
Brilliant video! Love the interaction between Tim and Steven. Fans and critics, musicians and har-core listeners. And they did mention some fantastic albums. Only 4 episides for 1972, seems like it could fill 10 episodes easily. Great work, guys.
From this real Anthology from 1972 Rock Classics..I would stand out Wishbone Ash..Argus. A different taste of Music.. Thank you so much Tim and Steven!!..🙏😌💎🎙🎸♦️📀💎💖💕💖🌬🌊🎶
Great discussion. Hawkwind is a band that I have just discovered in the past year or two. I really enjoyed their release last year. Thanks, as always, for the entertaining music talk!
Wishbone Ash and Hawkwind are two of my favourite bands of the 70s and two bands I have seen in the last 18 months. Ash (one version at least) are still fun to see, but Dave Brock is still releasing tremendous, interesting, albums and they were awesome in concert. Still a vibrant, energetic band despite Dave Brock being in his 80s.
I'd like to mention the Joe Walsh/Barnstorm 1972 album.....some really beautiful folk/country/rock with some sludgy grunge.....all with this atmospheric, spacey, a bit proggy layer running through everything. He and his band disappeared into the mountains of Colorado for a year and you can hear the reinvigoration and resulting creativity. Masterfully produced/engineered/mixed by Bill Szymczyk at Caribou Ranch. Walsh's masterpiece.
Good point by Tim re Hawkwind and Krautrock. I always drew parallels with Hawkwind and CAN... both relentless! But where Hawkwind's 'chugging' takes you somewhere into the cosmos, CAN are bulldozing their way down to the earth's core! Especially live.
Hawkwind had that “motorik” thing down pat. Very similar to Neu! And Can for sure. Love that hypnotic, propulsive foundation with all of the layers piled on top.
I know this is sacrilege but I saw purple with Joe Satriani on guitar as a stand in and it was fascinating. He sounded great with their rhythm section, they were so tight that Satriani absolutely shone. I saw Blackmore on a few occasions including Rainbow with Dio and it was memorable each time.
Bought it in August 1972....10 minutes after my hipper cousin told me Alice was not a female Folk singer. Began playing bass a little later...this whole album is a Dennis Dunaway treat.
@@jazzpunk Can't believe you hadn't heard the Schools Out single as it was never off the radio all summer. Oh, and it's a much better mix than the album version.
There's tonnes of magnificent albums that come out during those years.... never to be topped.... today's music is truly dire....Actually from 67 to about 83 was a golden period of music across all genres. Up the Hawks🦅
Love this. Me and a friend of mine did one of these type reviews on Progressive Rock in the mid 80's. Recorded it on Hi-8 Video. I have to dig it out and watch it. Would love to have seen you do '66 to '69. But you are both not as old as I am. I was born in '56 and was a child basically in those early years but I was a huge music fan at an early age. I have something among my group of friends I call "The Dino Listen" which is sitting between the 2 stereo speakers at a loud level with album cover & liner notes reading along with lyrics if they were included. Big fan of No Man, Storm Corrosion, Porcupine Tree, Steven Wilson & Blackfield. Love to see Pro musicians who are huge fans of other artists. Most Pro artists do not listen to other artists because they are consumed by their own body of work.
I love Wishbone Ash and feel like most of their catalogue which I own, has some great albums and some great songs here and there. But from the cover art to the music, Argus is definitely their masterpiece. For me there is not a bad song or a wasted note. And the sequence of songs just flow into one another. Yes! On Fireball! "Demon's Eye" is a killer track we did not get on the first US pressings! Cheers!
1972 was definitely the year of the German bands. Great albums like Can / Ege bamyası, Neu!, Ton Steine Scherben (Keine macht für niemand), Popol Vuh, Amon Düül ll and Faust. Their influence is still somewhat underestimated, I think.
Argus must rank as one of the best prog albums of all time, and from a band who where not a prog band at all. I've no idea how they managed to pull it off but, in my collection, I listen to it as often as I listen to Close to the Edge, Foxtrot or DSOTM etc Richard
Great discussion. I love Made in Japan, though, as with Seconds Out and Yessongs…I heard these live albums before Machine Head, Foxtrot and The Yes Album and Fragile respectively. This, sadly, made those studio albums sound a bit flat by comparison.
It's great to hear my voice in this for '72 on Alice Cooper's School's Out. My apologies if my voice sounded like Kermit the Frog having a BAD acid trip! But it was quite an honor to get an approval from both Steven Wilson and Tim Bowness.
Was genuinely delighted you like the Quo Mr Wilson! Would have loved to have heard more of your thoughts on the album and the band more broadly. Criminally underrated music that sounds simple but very hard to replicate. The classic line up were seriously heavy and rocking and churned out hit after hit.
Before music became codified into this or that genre, and if you read biographies of musicians who came up in the 1960's, they almost all listened to, learned and performed a wide variety of music, and the music they produced was all the better for it. In a way Ritchie Blackmore wasn't a blues player at all. That was something he grafted onto the early rock and roll, country and jazz influences he began his career with. Good to hear some affection for Shades of a Blue Orphanage. There's a genuine poetry in those early works. For me the first two Thin Lizzy albums sometimes sound like an elegy for the lost Lynotts, the different personas he tried on during that period, other than the one that made him famous. There's a sense that things might have ended differently.
After Quo retired from touring, Steven I would like to hear more about your experiences with Quo and would you like to remix the frantic four Vertigo catalog from 1972 to 1981?
For the future 1982 episodes, I'd like to nominate the Nashville, TN pop rock band White Animals' "Lost Weekend". Unique version and dub version of "These Boots Are Made For Walking" are worth hearing. Also their original tracks.
Made in Japan is my favourite album of all time. A band at their peak and i agree, i love machine head but the made in Japan versions of those songs are just better. The band is unleashed. Another differing factor between Sabbath and Zeppelin is Lord's and Blackmore's classical influences. Lord obviously was the mind behind the concerto but Blackmore was always bringing Bach and Beethoven into his playing. Purple were the progenitors of Neoclassical metal, which is why Blackmore is often labelled as having started the shredding movement because of how technical his solos were. I also love how the songs were never exactly the same live, always changing things
Agreed. I'm not a big fan of his solo career (other than "Welcome to My Nightmare"), but that original band was absolutely fantastic, with many great albums. They were even quite proggy at times, which hardly ever gets acknowledged.
For anyone who can’t give the time to listening to extended soloing (I can) and, for that reason, aren’t that gone on DP’s Made in Japan, have a listen to their live version - from the same Japanese tour - of “Black Night” (it’s included on some versions of Made in Japan as well as on compilations such as “24 Carat Purple”) - it will leave you wondering why other bands can’t be this exciting live (and it clocks in on under the 5 mins mark).
Road - s/t album with Noel Redding (!), Kent, England, Rod Richards L.A, USA and Leslie Sampson, Kent, England. Heads Hands & Feet - Tracks (with Albert Lee on guitar) Twenty Sixty Six & Then - Reflections On The Future Wind - Morning
I was 14/15 in 1972. I saw Wishbone and Hawkwind several times in the early 1970s. Both were excellent live. Hawkwind sounded better after a few beers. I saw Gong with Steve Hillage in 1973 and they sounded a lot like Hawkwind. I enjoy these podcasts. They focus on bands that I grew up with. In 1972 teenage boys like me were listening to hard rock and prog rather than glam rock. John Paul Jones once said that Zeppelin thought they were prog until the critics made it unfashionable.
The Japanese group The Acid Mothers Temple and the Cosmic Inferno had an album titled Starless And Black Sabbath. The cover is similar to the first Black Sabbath album and the first track sounds like Black Sabbath, but goes off into something sounding different.
Have you guys ever talked about Thin Lizzy AT ALL? Shades is an interesting early album (was it their first, cannot remember)...was just listening to it earlier today. Some nice, moody and quiet stuff amidst the rock stuff.
Funny...I have seen that Groundhogs cover before, because it is by Neal Adams, a god in the comic book world (funnily enough, later, Thin Lizzy would use Jim Fitzpatrick, doing a Neal Adams style...in fact, even swiping some imagery!)
More heavy rock albums: 1) Budgie - Squawk 2) Scorpions - Lonesome Crow 3) Buffalo - Dead Forever .. and a few by obscure or one album bands: 1) Night Sun - Mournin' 2) Bang - (self titled) 3) Dust - Hard Attack 4) Hard Stuff - Bulletproof **Personally, the albums by Night Sun and Bang are the best 3 heavy rock albums of 1972, immediately behind Sabbath's Vol. 4.
Allman Brothers Live at Fillmore East was, arguably, the beginning of the 2-LP live album trend, although I believe Steppenwolf Live predated it. The ABB album sold massive amounts of records.
Growing in a country where western music had been almost completely banned, RnR and before that, Pop, turned into a legitimate way of rebelling and therefore into an underground movement, almost a cult, very little people know this about Cuba, We were not North Corea; but a softer version, still as it happens with water, it’s impossible to stop people from listening to music, specially being so close to the USA. For good or for bad this created an odd phenomenon that’s not what most people experienced in other parts of the world, people chose to like the music that they liked and not the music that the industry pushes most of the time ( of course, this based on availability, on whatever people could listen on those radio stations from the United states or from an album that somehow made it to the island) I was a Deep Purple fan since I was a kid, most likely because my older brother and friends were into that too, the reason I did all that introduction is because I believe until this day that the most popular band in Cuba, only second to the Beatles, were Deep purple, Blackmore was glorified more than any other guitarist, including Hendrix, Page or Clapton, almost nobody knew who Jeff Beck was, I mentioned this to Glenn Hughes during a conversation, even more, I would even argue that the most popular Deep purple song was from the Mark III, Mistreated and not Smoke on the water or Highway star, I could be wrong though, people older than me might disagree, until these days I find that fascinating, how different people might probably choose the music they like if there wasn’t an industry with a logical commercial interest behind the music that they promote.
I vividly remember watching TOTP one night and, amongst all the usual pop stuff, The Groundhogs suddenly appeared and played "Cherry Red". All the dancing stopped as the teen girls looked on in horror at this undanceable band. I thought they were brilliant and saw them live the following year which would have been 1971 or 72. They were a great band, although very loud, as were most rock bands in those days. Richard
Had to laugh that RUclips milk monitors deleted my post after saying my Alice Cooper Schools Out panties are looking a bit grubby these days. I daren't put them in the wash as they're paper! And the elastic has held up incredibly well, too.
Just to add to this....after watching...I went home from work (yes...I watched at work..it was a slower day) and listened to Argus on Apple Music. I really liked to album. I had never actually listened to a whole Wishbone Ash album. Now, I have and if I see it at a store I'm gonna pick it up.
The thing that amazes me today about the original Alice Cooper band was the strength of their songwriting. Alice's solo work, as good as it was, was nowhere close.
In my view Vol. 4 is Sabbath's greatest album, followed by Paranoid. I don't think the debut even comes close to Sabbath's best albums, except for the title track. The debut definitely started something new in rock music, but other than the title track I don't think the quality of the songs competes with any of the following five albums. Deep Purple is my all-time favourite band, and their power is most clearly evident in their live performances. Though I love many of their studio albums from the 60s and 70s, they definitely had to constrain their raging power in the studio, which is why I think Made in Japan is Deep Purple's greatest album of all time, either live or studio. But as studio albums go, I agree that Fireball is their best and most experimental, followed by Machine Head and In Rock.
I like how Tim mentions Wishbone Ash Just Testing and then just smiles. It's a great record! Underrated for sure. What a bad cover though, from Hipgnosis! Tarkus' cover is better!
Just a pet peeve but please stop referring to Alice Cooper as an individual artist. The “band” was named Alice Cooper during this era, and guitarist Michael Bruce wrote many of their best songs not Vincent. It was a band not a solo artist. I’ll live my bugaboo regarding this. Love the show. Watch all of them.
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I used to listen to Made in Japan so many times that I can actually replay the whole album in my head. Even after nearly 50 years!
😂 I'm the same with Genesis - Seconds Out
I know all the parts for Firth of Fifth for sure
I’ll have to re visit it’s been a while. Got the Tshirt somewhere…
Same here !
Just listened to Made In Japan last night. I am like you I know every part of the Album. It is one of the few Album's I never get tired of. In Rock the same.
"Deep Purple - In Rock" was the first album I purchased back in 1974 and it's the album that made me want to play the guitar. I was a Purple/Blackmore devotee from then on and still am. I must give a shout out to the great Roger Glover though. He's always overlooked in Deep Purple but the more I return to the studio albums and especially "Made In Japan", it's Glover and Paice driving that thing like a nuclear powered freight train. Ian Paice is the link from Buddy Rich to modern rock drummers and Roger Glover would make anyone want to play bass with a pick, right up there with Paul McCartney.
As I recall, the drummers in Sabbath, Purple and Zeppelin grew up listening to jazz drummers, or jazz drummers were their main od biggest infuences. So they were capable to create that distinctive groove in those bands, which many or even most heavy metal drummers nowadays cannot create.
Steven Wilson is such a cool record nerd and knows more about the classic rock "recording" history than just about anyone I have ever come across. So glad to see him sit down, relax and spill his heart on these records from this incredible era. There really was something special about pop/rock/R&B 1967 to about 1982. Great stuff after this, but a different era had begun in 1983/84 in my opinion.
Rod Evans is responsible for one of my favourite rock albums from this year, with Captain Beyond. That eponymous debut is wonderful.
Yeah, that debut album was so good!
Yeah, I came into Beyond late, but really like all of their albums that I have.
Yeah Captain Beyond! I was fortunate to meet Lee Dorman in '99. I eagerly thanked him at his hotel room door as he was getting ready to sleep. He said doing that first album was "a labor of love".
I keep seeing positive comments about that album, so I ordered a copy from Discogs today.
yeah, Lee Dorman and Rhino (bass&guitar) had been playing together in Iron Butterfly for some time so when they worked on the first Captain Beyond album they were a tight unit. The album is full of heavy riffs and time signatures. Drums are incredible (Bobby Caldwell was in Johnny Winter) and vocals amazing (Rod Evans was in Deep Purple). Second album (Sufficiantly Breathless) is ok but Bobby Caldwell is no longer in the band. @apollomemories7399 yeah, Lee Dorman and Rhino (bass&guitar) had been playing together in Iron Butterfly for some time so when they worked on the first Captain Beyond album they were a tight unit. The album is full of heavy riffs and time signatures. Drums are incredible (Bobby Caldwell was in Johnny Winter) and vocals amazing (Rod Evans was in Deep Purple). Second album (Sufficiantly Breathless) is ok but Bobby Caldwell is no longer in the band.
Many thanks for the mention of Groundhogs, a big part of my teen years, and much under appreciated.
Wishbone Ash - Argus ! 💗💗💗💗
Such an underrated LP.
The Purple and Sabbath albums of this era really got me rocking during my NWOBHM years as I worked backwards to 1972.
And you worked back to , , , Master of Reality
Great discussion, wonderful space you’ve got for people to catch-up and unwind. My first musical blossoming/adolescence was around 2000-2007. We had a plethora of incredible underground and experimental rock bands, but mainstream rock was dying so I turned to classic rock for that more structured, focused and accessible backbone. Solid records mentioned here, makes me want to do a double take. Cheers!
Your in-depth commentary is much appreciated. Thanks. Our music history certainly is worthy of further study.
Schools out is amazing. Quo really out of place here. Great year for rock music and great channel. Thanks guys.
@@kimholland9316 On the contrary - outside of the pages of Classic Rock, Quo are conspicuous by their absence in a lot of these discussions and it’s great to see them being given their due. Piledriver to Live! was a golden streak of albums.
@@QuietBatperson96 But they weren't given their due here, were you not listening? Tim just said he didn't really like them and that was it.
Wishbone Ash have some really great albums. Just Testing is fantastic, so nice to hear it shouted out
I have a soft spot for almost all the Mk2 era albums up to and including 'Just Testing' but excluding the 'Locked In' release. My entry point (in real time) was 'New England'. That one blew me away. I still have all the 70s albums on my original vinyl.
I'd argue that it was Humble Pie's Rockin' The Fillmore from the year before that started the double live album thing. It was probably their finest hour too.
The Humble Pie Live Filmore Album was released November 1971 (exact date I do not know). The Miles Davis Double album Live Evil was released 17/11/1971. The Allman Brothers double Live Filmore album was released July 1971. The Miles Davis double Live album was released October 1970.
The Chicago 4 LP Live at Carnegie Hall was released October 1971.
Argus is the Wishbone Ash masterpiece, yes! There's the Rub is an under-appreciated album too, every bit as tight and with the hauntingly beautiful Persephone. Then they surprised us in 2020 with Coat of Arms, a powerful return to form.
Agree 100%. I always thought F.U.B.B from 'There's The Rub' could so easily have fitted in with the Mood and Style of Argus.
Sometime World has one of the best guitar solos ever!!!
@@WelshVegan No argument there!
Brilliant video! Love the interaction between Tim and Steven. Fans and critics, musicians and har-core listeners. And they did mention some fantastic albums. Only 4 episides for 1972, seems like it could fill 10 episodes easily. Great work, guys.
From this real Anthology from 1972 Rock Classics..I would stand out Wishbone Ash..Argus.
A different taste of Music..
Thank you so much Tim and Steven!!..🙏😌💎🎙🎸♦️📀💎💖💕💖🌬🌊🎶
I just love when someone mentions Michael Moorcock 😊
Great discussion. Hawkwind is a band that I have just discovered in the past year or two. I really enjoyed their release last year. Thanks, as always, for the entertaining music talk!
Wishbone Ash and Hawkwind are two of my favourite bands of the 70s and two bands I have seen in the last 18 months. Ash (one version at least) are still fun to see, but Dave Brock is still releasing tremendous, interesting, albums and they were awesome in concert. Still a vibrant, energetic band despite Dave Brock being in his 80s.
Love The Groundhogs! Tony T.S McPhee was an incredible guitar player, musician and songwriter.
Indeed. Outstanding.
Loved it! Bravo, boys!! You're great!!! :D
I'd like to mention the Joe Walsh/Barnstorm 1972 album.....some really beautiful folk/country/rock with some sludgy grunge.....all with this atmospheric, spacey, a bit proggy layer running through everything. He and his band disappeared into the mountains of Colorado for a year and you can hear the reinvigoration and resulting creativity. Masterfully produced/engineered/mixed by Bill Szymczyk at Caribou Ranch. Walsh's masterpiece.
@apparaoapp I second Barnstorm. Easily my favourite Joe Walsh related record. An absolute stunner.
As always, very interesting! And Steven said "quintessential" again ;) Tim talked a lot, so I like that too!
Good point by Tim re Hawkwind and Krautrock. I always drew parallels with Hawkwind and CAN... both relentless! But where Hawkwind's 'chugging' takes you somewhere into the cosmos, CAN are bulldozing their way down to the earth's core! Especially live.
Hawkwind had that “motorik” thing down pat. Very similar to Neu! And Can for sure. Love that hypnotic, propulsive foundation with all of the layers piled on top.
I know this is sacrilege but I saw purple with Joe Satriani on guitar as a stand in and it was fascinating. He sounded great with their rhythm section, they were so tight that Satriani absolutely shone. I saw Blackmore on a few occasions including Rainbow with Dio and it was memorable each time.
Great episode 😊
1972 is a stellar year for hard rock music....dozens of classic quality released...at least 50!
Schools Out is flawless.
Indeed, but my panties are looking slightly grubby these days...
Bought it in August 1972....10 minutes after my hipper cousin told me Alice was not a female Folk singer. Began playing bass a little later...this whole album is a Dennis Dunaway treat.
And what a cover! @@jazzpunk
@@jazzpunk Can't believe you hadn't heard the Schools Out single as it was never off the radio all summer.
Oh, and it's a much better mix than the album version.
The trio of Blackmore, Lord and Paice is the best there ever was in rock music.😊
Amen to that.
There's tonnes of magnificent albums that come out during those years.... never to be topped.... today's music is truly dire....Actually from 67 to about 83 was a golden period of music across all genres. Up the Hawks🦅
So good to see you guys!
Love this. Me and a friend of mine did one of these type reviews on Progressive Rock in the mid 80's. Recorded it on Hi-8 Video. I have to dig it out and watch it. Would love to have seen you do '66 to '69. But you are both not as old as I am. I was born in '56 and was a child basically in those early years but I was a huge music fan at an early age. I have something among my group of friends I call "The Dino Listen" which is sitting between the 2 stereo speakers at a loud level with album cover & liner notes reading along with lyrics if they were included. Big fan of No Man, Storm Corrosion, Porcupine Tree, Steven Wilson & Blackfield. Love to see Pro musicians who are huge fans of other artists. Most Pro artists do not listen to other artists because they are consumed by their own body of work.
Where's the love for Heep they're right there with Sabbath,Purple,and Zeppelin
I love the t-shirt Steve ❤👋
..always interested to hear what the current crop of rock fans have to say about the music our generation grew up with.
Discussing Quo's Piledriver album was most engaging.
Love Argus that is the album that turned me on to Wishbone Ash...
You and the entire world mate.
Do you mean "Turner-ed" you on?
@@CB-xr1eg😂
DP drew a lot from classical in the golden period
100%, you can hear it in both Lord and Blackmore's playing.
Hawkwind used to be our default music to trip on, that and Gong. Nektar's Remember the Future was also a favorite
Argus is flawless
So much better than anything else they ever did, remarkable really.
@@harrynewiss4630 agreed.
I love Wishbone Ash and feel like most of their catalogue which I own, has some great albums and some great songs here and there. But from the cover art to the music, Argus is definitely their masterpiece. For me there is not a bad song or a wasted note. And the sequence of songs just flow into one another. Yes! On Fireball! "Demon's Eye" is a killer track we did not get on the first US pressings! Cheers!
I love Wishbone Ash 'New England' equally!
The Groundhogs were John Lee's Groundhogs - touring as John Lee Hooker's backing band in 1964
1972 was definitely the year of the German bands. Great albums like Can / Ege bamyası, Neu!, Ton Steine Scherben (Keine macht für niemand), Popol Vuh, Amon Düül ll and Faust. Their influence is still somewhat underestimated, I think.
Totally agree.
Probably because no one has heard of them, where Eloy and Crystal Palace are known.
Interesting comment on the harmony of Iommi, Blackmore and Page. But I think Page was the most harmonically aware.
The Dweezil Zappa remix of Machine Head is wonderful, must hear.
I must be the only person who genuinely likes the Tarkus album cover lol. I think it's an aesthetically pleasing cover.
That's okay, I really like Jethro Tull's Too Old To Rock & Roll cover and everyone seems to hate that one!
Hawkwind my favourites here. An unstoppable force!
An unforgetable live experience for this 14 year old in 1973. Fkn mind blowing.
Ahemmm ... Uriah Heep "Demons and Wizards" ???
Argus must rank as one of the best prog albums of all time, and from a band who where not a prog band at all. I've no idea how they managed to pull it off but, in my collection, I listen to it as often as I listen to Close to the Edge, Foxtrot or DSOTM etc
Richard
You forgot Uriah Heep's "Demons and Wizards" with their classic line-up.. their peak album imho...
The Magician's Birthday was also from 1972 and to me it's a better album than Demons & Wizards. Probably my favourite UH album.
@@CB-xr1eg I love them both! You're right, it's also from 1972 🙌
Great discussion. I love Made in Japan, though, as with Seconds Out and Yessongs…I heard these live albums before
Machine Head, Foxtrot and The Yes Album and Fragile respectively. This, sadly, made those studio albums sound a bit flat by comparison.
It's great to hear my voice in this for '72 on Alice Cooper's School's Out. My apologies if my voice sounded like Kermit the Frog having a BAD acid trip! But it was quite an honor to get an approval from both Steven Wilson and Tim Bowness.
Was genuinely delighted you like the Quo Mr Wilson!
Would have loved to have heard more of your thoughts on the album and the band more broadly.
Criminally underrated music that sounds simple but very hard to replicate.
The classic line up were seriously heavy and rocking and churned out hit after hit.
Tim doesn't like them so that appears to be that. 🤷♂ Next...
Steamhammer's last album Speech. So much different from their earlier blues-rock records.
Volumen 4 Is like the holy godmother of rock guitar riffs
SUPERNAUT !!!
Obviously Argus is Wishbone Ash’s best album but I definitely have to agree with Tim that Just Testing is a great album.
That was Purples year with both albums
Jazz Sabbath, it's a real thing! Okay, it is a gag by a younger Wakeman but it translates remarkably well.
Before music became codified into this or that genre, and if you read biographies of musicians who came up in the 1960's, they almost all listened to, learned and performed a wide variety of music, and the music they produced was all the better for it. In a way Ritchie Blackmore wasn't a blues player at all. That was something he grafted onto the early rock and roll, country and jazz influences he began his career with. Good to hear some affection for Shades of a Blue Orphanage. There's a genuine poetry in those early works. For me the first two Thin Lizzy albums sometimes sound like an elegy for the lost Lynotts, the different personas he tried on during that period, other than the one that made him famous. There's a sense that things might have ended differently.
love that Lizzy album.
After Quo retired from touring, Steven I would like to hear more about your experiences with Quo and would you like to remix the frantic four Vertigo catalog from 1972 to 1981?
For the future 1982 episodes, I'd like to nominate the Nashville, TN pop rock band White Animals' "Lost Weekend". Unique version and dub version of "These Boots Are Made For Walking" are worth hearing. Also their original tracks.
Made in Japan is my favourite album of all time. A band at their peak and i agree, i love machine head but the made in Japan versions of those songs are just better. The band is unleashed.
Another differing factor between Sabbath and Zeppelin is Lord's and Blackmore's classical influences. Lord obviously was the mind behind the concerto but Blackmore was always bringing Bach and Beethoven into his playing. Purple were the progenitors of Neoclassical metal, which is why Blackmore is often labelled as having started the shredding movement because of how technical his solos were. I also love how the songs were never exactly the same live, always changing things
1972....But NO mention of the great Budgie!!!!!!
I’d argue The Allman Brothers started the double live album trend.
I love Alice Cooper, but I really love the original Alice Cooper band. One of the greatest rock bands of all time.
Agreed. I'm not a big fan of his solo career (other than "Welcome to My Nightmare"), but that original band was absolutely fantastic, with many great albums. They were even quite proggy at times, which hardly ever gets acknowledged.
For anyone who can’t give the time to listening to extended soloing (I can) and, for that reason, aren’t that gone on DP’s Made in Japan, have a listen to their live version - from the same Japanese tour - of “Black Night” (it’s included on some versions of Made in Japan as well as on compilations such as “24 Carat Purple”) - it will leave you wondering why other bands can’t be this exciting live (and it clocks in on under the 5 mins mark).
I Purple 💜 for me. Love some Sabbath on the side. Zeppelin is nauseating after a while.😂 rock on
Road - s/t album with Noel Redding (!), Kent, England, Rod Richards L.A, USA and Leslie Sampson, Kent, England.
Heads Hands & Feet - Tracks (with Albert Lee on guitar)
Twenty Sixty Six & Then - Reflections On The Future
Wind - Morning
don t forget uriah heep
I was 14/15 in 1972. I saw Wishbone and Hawkwind several times in the early 1970s. Both were excellent live. Hawkwind sounded better after a few beers. I saw Gong with Steve Hillage in 1973 and they sounded a lot like Hawkwind. I enjoy these podcasts. They focus on bands that I grew up with. In 1972 teenage boys like me were listening to hard rock and prog rather than glam rock. John Paul Jones once said that Zeppelin thought they were prog until the critics made it unfashionable.
Argus is peak Wishbone Ash for sure. Sometime World always reminds me of Yes.
The Japanese group The Acid Mothers Temple and the Cosmic Inferno had an album titled Starless And Black Sabbath. The cover is similar to the first Black Sabbath album and the first track sounds like Black Sabbath, but goes off into something sounding different.
Have you guys ever talked about Thin Lizzy AT ALL? Shades is an interesting early album (was it their first, cannot remember)...was just listening to it earlier today. Some nice, moody and quiet stuff amidst the rock stuff.
Their second album. Not a classic but indication of potential.
Roxy Music’s “Avalon” has a similar cover as Wishbone Ash’s “Argus”
"The title track is something like eight minutes long" "oh it must be good then" :)
Funny...I have seen that Groundhogs cover before, because it is by Neal Adams, a god in the comic book world (funnily enough, later, Thin Lizzy would use Jim Fitzpatrick, doing a Neal Adams style...in fact, even swiping some imagery!)
Early/mid 70's Hawkwind prescient of the hypnotic, repetitive insistence of techno and trance
Fenonenal muuchachos!!
Blue Oyster Cult were a big sci-fi band too. Their song Black Blade is based on Michael Moorcock's Elric character.
A band that should have been mentionned is Uriah Heep.
Made in japan wasnt released untill summer of 73.
More heavy rock albums:
1) Budgie - Squawk
2) Scorpions - Lonesome Crow
3) Buffalo - Dead Forever
.. and a few by obscure or one album bands:
1) Night Sun - Mournin'
2) Bang - (self titled)
3) Dust - Hard Attack
4) Hard Stuff - Bulletproof
**Personally, the albums by Night Sun and Bang are the best 3 heavy rock albums of 1972, immediately behind Sabbath's Vol. 4.
Allman Brothers Live at Fillmore East was, arguably, the beginning of the 2-LP live album trend, although I believe Steppenwolf Live predated it. The ABB album sold massive amounts of records.
please someday talk about Alturas de Macchu Picchu by Los Jaivas (1981), would be awesome
Growing in a country where western music had been almost completely banned, RnR and before that, Pop, turned into a legitimate way of rebelling and therefore into an underground movement, almost a cult, very little people know this about Cuba, We were not North Corea; but a softer version, still as it happens with water, it’s impossible to stop people from listening to music, specially being so close to the USA. For good or for bad this created an odd phenomenon that’s not what most people experienced in other parts of the world, people chose to like the music that they liked and not the music that the industry pushes most of the time ( of course, this based on availability, on whatever people could listen on those radio stations from the United states or from an album that somehow made it to the island) I was a Deep Purple fan since I was a kid, most likely because my older brother and friends were into that too, the reason I did all that introduction is because I believe until this day that the most popular band in Cuba, only second to the Beatles, were Deep purple, Blackmore was glorified more than any other guitarist, including Hendrix, Page or Clapton, almost nobody knew who Jeff Beck was, I mentioned this to Glenn Hughes during a conversation, even more, I would even argue that the most popular Deep purple song was from the Mark III, Mistreated and not Smoke on the water or Highway star, I could be wrong though, people older than me might disagree, until these days I find that fascinating, how different people might probably choose the music they like if there wasn’t an industry with a logical commercial interest behind the music that they promote.
I vividly remember watching TOTP one night and, amongst all the usual pop stuff, The Groundhogs suddenly appeared and played "Cherry Red". All the dancing stopped as the teen girls looked on in horror at this undanceable band.
I thought they were brilliant and saw them live the following year which would have been 1971 or 72. They were a great band, although very loud, as were most rock bands in those days.
Richard
Funny how Avalon is similar to that Wishbone Ash cover.
Hawkwind
You neglected to mention Wishbone Ash in the description, I suppose that was the "more" part....I feel dirty.
Hawkwind : Amon Dull link Dave Anderson Was in both!! at their best xx
(and the latter day Groundhogs)
@ yes i am 🥴 oooppps what a silly bunt 👍
Had to laugh that RUclips milk monitors deleted my post after saying my Alice Cooper Schools Out panties are looking a bit grubby these days. I daren't put them in the wash as they're paper! And the elastic has held up incredibly well, too.
The Argus album reminds me of the Avalon album...cover wise.
Same here!
Just to add to this....after watching...I went home from work (yes...I watched at work..it was a slower day) and listened to Argus on Apple Music. I really liked to album. I had never actually listened to a whole Wishbone Ash album. Now, I have and if I see it at a store I'm gonna pick it up.
The thing that amazes me today about the original Alice Cooper band was the strength of their songwriting. Alice's solo work, as good as it was, was nowhere close.
In my view Vol. 4 is Sabbath's greatest album, followed by Paranoid. I don't think the debut even comes close to Sabbath's best albums, except for the title track. The debut definitely started something new in rock music, but other than the title track I don't think the quality of the songs competes with any of the following five albums.
Deep Purple is my all-time favourite band, and their power is most clearly evident in their live performances. Though I love many of their studio albums from the 60s and 70s, they definitely had to constrain their raging power in the studio, which is why I think Made in Japan is Deep Purple's greatest album of all time, either live or studio. But as studio albums go, I agree that Fireball is their best and most experimental, followed by Machine Head and In Rock.
I like how Tim mentions Wishbone Ash Just Testing and then just smiles. It's a great record! Underrated for sure. What a bad cover though, from Hipgnosis! Tarkus' cover is better!
Who is Lindsey McVie?
Danny Kirwan or Christine McVie ? 10:35
@@FuturePast2019 Yeah…that’s who I assumed they were talking about, but they both called her Lindsey McVie.
Just a pet peeve but please stop referring to Alice Cooper as an individual artist. The “band” was named Alice Cooper during this era, and guitarist Michael Bruce wrote many of their best songs not Vincent. It was a band not a solo artist. I’ll live my bugaboo regarding this. Love the show. Watch all of them.
Sabotage has the best cover.
but it's not from 1972.