@@ECNIV2000mixed blessing? It's a pure negative mate. People don't converse anymore, believe factless rumours they see or hear, gone way beyond being a blessing, it's a fkn curse. Trust me.
@@modernista6056 oh, I completely hate it. It ruined rock & roll, it ruined socialization, it’s ruined film, and even sports. I just figured since I was currently using it, that I’d be euphemistic, 🤣. It makes following from the States a hell of a lot easier, but I’m not sure we need opinion platforms for every bloody site. The “Wild West” approach of internet monitoring is also about as safe as Dodge City was in 1876 as well! 🤣 (I must keep my humor up these days!) COYI⚒️
I watched that Talk Sport piece and it was good to finally hear someone who actually understood the West Ham fans frustrations instead of the usual David Moyes rhetoric.
Im glad jennings said all that and i basically found myself applauding him because it was accurate. Also, i dont like neil warnock. I respect his longevity in the game but hes a sarcastic, smarmy git
I heard the Neil Warnock comment (and Ali McCoist saying all the same stuff on tv) and thought the same as you Gonzo; Moyes had £110m just from the sale of Rice! In fact he spent £450m in total and last season we still got thrashed by Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Palace, Fulham (twice), Villa, Newcastle, knocked out of the FA Cup by Bristol and barely beat bloody Kidderminster. He wasted fortunes on various failed signings, never signed a decent striker and never took responsibility for his own failings. No one asked for JLo but, the more he loses, the more we're going to have to listen to this kind of rubbish in the media. Hopefully, if he starts winning eventually, we can rub their noses in it.
Sometimes you need to think about what you write. We finished 9th last season. So for every bad thing you find there must be something good. Example 1. Lost to Man U Also beat Man U 2. Lost to Liverpool But Beat Spurs away 3. Lost to Chelsea but also beat chelsea with 10 men. 4. Lost to Fulham Twice But beat Wolves Twice 5. Lost to Villa But Beat Brighton Away. 6. Lost to Arsenal but beat them Twice. Also got to the Quarter Finals in Europe and had some wonderful nights including 5-0 v Freiburg . Got further in Europe than Newcastle and United and beat the team (Olympiacos) who won the conference. When the cup i half empty it is also half full.
@@FlowDeFlowDrainage I do think about what I write, that's why it is properly punctuated, the spellings are correct, capital letters, commas, brackets, full stops, the lot! I even did a paragraph, can't say fairer than that, I was trying make the point that we got thrashed plenty of times under Moyes. I also think we got knocked out of Europe as soon as we played someone half decent. There were of course some half decent performances but let's face it, most of us were more than happy to see the back of Moyes by the end. You obviously didn't mind too much, so I'm happy for you. Come On You Irons
@@PWMoze The first line of my post was provocative, I would normally have edited that out before posting, I apologise for that. My point was there has been a tendency to represent Moyes' tenure as some kind of failure. I beg to differ. I also think he was able to improve the club in some of the most challenging circumstances of our lifetime, the lockdown. Everyone seems to forget that and with good reason, but no evaluation of his time here can be complete without taking the effects of that period into consideration. If for no other reason than but for the financial restrictions placed on him we would have signed Eze ahead of Palace. That chapter in our history is over but It compares well with the history I witnessed since 1972. There are things to like and dislike about every manager I have ever seen. Even John Lyall had two relegations and the longest run without a win in our history. I think the difference today is with all the money managers are not allowed to work through hard times. If we had treated Lyall that way 1980, 1981 and 1986 would never have happened and that would have been a real shame.
Your comment here and the follow up is spot on as is Gonzo’s comments. There is so much evidence you could have said to that ‘moyes in’ supporter but what’s the point. I was going to write a reply to him highlighting all the facts that moyes is in fact a charlatan and has narcissistic tendencies which somehow gets missed by pundits and oiks like ‘Flow…’ . I’m not sure jlo is the answer but i do know moyes is not the panacea
@@FlowDeFlowDrainage I loved John Lyall as a bloke, more than Greenwood even, but I would be the first to admit that there were some pretty gloomy periods under his management. I think the difference back then was you simply didn't expect managers to come and go on a regular basis, West Ham was a club that stuck by them through thick and thin until it was almost impossible to continue with them. Even then it was considered very risky to go outside of the club for a replacement as demonstrated by the awful period under Lou Macari. The club was always more comfortable being managed by a Billy Bonds, Harry Redknapp, Slav, Trevor Brooking, Glen Roeder or Curbishley. They were trying to ensure the continuity of the 'West Ham Way' even if it mostly produced mediocre results. Every time we flirted with a new direction or style we regretted it (Pellegrini, Zola) and the pendulum immediately swung back in the opposite direction (Allardyce, Moyes). Moyes was the best of those and most successful by a mile! He brought stability, raised our profile and even brought us a European trophy. But he was undoubtedly a 'safety first' manager and that meant lots of dull games and a reliance upon a limited group of players like Antonio, Soucek, Zouma and Cresswell. He was clearly at odds with Sullivan at times and this resulted in inexplicable signings that ended up being sold at a loss after never really getting a chance, as a result we still have Danny Ings. He also didn't want to risk bringing youngsters through. He never really found a striker and allowed various transfer windows to pass without bringing in reinforcements. He was a dour man and so was his football. I think his best period happened almost despite of him when, by accident more than design, we were able to bring Lingard to the club. For a brief period Lingard gave us the inspired, improvised creativity that Moyes would ordinarily discourage. Almost without him meaning to, we became a 'flair team' with a world class Declan Rice and an up and coming Bowen. That was Moyes at his best and, even when Lingard moved on, it saw us through to the final in Prague. I'll always be grateful to him for that. But eventually his team stopped performing and for the last six months of his term we all became justifiably tired of him. For me the final straw was the five nil thrashing by Fulham.
Absolutely disgusting Chris hope your alright pal, its easy for us to just say ignore it but like you say it hurts when it's personal and there's no need for it, you do a cracking job in keeping us up to date and informed with some laughs along the way, thanks for all your great content it's very much appreciated ⚒️
Summerville was Sullivans pick. Kilman was Lopeteguis pick. Fullkrug was Tims pick. Lopetegui was Sullivans pick. Lopetegui wasn't on Tims list. The centre forward capture switched between Duran and Fullkrug. Two total opposites. I'm loving the butter like smoothness of our joined up thinking. Its a brave new world....well not really, its the same as it ever was....just with a new supporting cast.
The club is in a mess and has been for a long time. One person and one person only to blame. Yet he sits in the ground and nobody voices an opinion against him anymore.
You missed out Rodriguez and Guillaume both tims picks . Also ask yourself why did leverkeusen let Tim go ? Because he had limited control there and only got a loan authorised so wasn,t considered unreplaceable
Rory Jennings over a period of time has been fair to West Ham fans on Talksport - personally I think he gets it completely and why we wanted Moyes out and why we wanted a complete change of direction ….Sullivan has fcuked it completely Also I’m a patreon of hammers chat and love your content Gonzo , completely understand on personal stuff ….would never put personal stuff in the public domain …too many arseholes out there ⚒
💯 Jenning’s talk a lot of nonsense….he’s the fella thought Haaland would be a bust 😳…but he has been fully behind Hammers fans in replacing Moyes. Very fair to us
The media are a disgrace, never listen to fans who actually know about their clubs. I'm not a West Ham fan but knew if JL had troubles they'd bring out every Moyes cliche in the book because they're lazy and predictable at their jobs. Even I know exactly why so many WH fans wanted Moyes out in the end and why those fans aren't looking back at his reign through rose tinted glasses
If the club were to sack Lopetegui, they wouldn't bring in a young, hungry, attack minded manager. That's just not a thing that Sullivan would do. It's more than likely going to be Moyes. I'd rather have Lopetegui than Moyes again.
@@kriskalpawhat utter, utter rubbish. What is this huge success you talk about? He nearly got us relegated last season. Moyes was employed twice by Sullivan because that is our level. We cannot attract top managers.
@@motr1912 he led WH to European glory. his results were more than respectable given the constraints. WH are about to be relegated again but without the European football. I find it odd that Moyes doesn't get the respect he deserves. Lopetegui demonstrates that managing the club is not an easy thing to do.
I´ve been watching my share of talksport videos this morning.. its really weird. Either they want to wind us up, to attract attention (click bait).. or they have a case of "I told you so".. which is embarrasingly childish. Nothing to do with journalism. Arrogant and unbalanced.
I feel , Lopetegui does not have what it takes to turn things around . The narrative peddled by the club when he became the manager , we were told he comes very well prepared . We have seen after 10 games , this was a con job , pulled on us by the club that he was neither prepared nor capable of. I call on the board to have the courage and change things quickly. It seems he is close to loosing the dressing room . Hope we see positive action soon .
@@willdoyle6952 Certainly, Not Moyes . But while Lopetegui was never a name of preferred managers( partly because of his unethical past ) , I was 100% behind him after he was appointed . I was lead to believe that he came fully prepared for this job , having spent most of last season , focusing on how to improve us . I was confident that with Steidten there ,this would be good this season . 100 M + spent on players , and we are worse . Why the manager chooses to pull mind bending excuses , like translation issues leading to the loss , is beyond me . He boasts of speaking several languages yet he is unable to master the no one language in his profession, Communication. Time to go.
@rkhan5419 We needed to do a huge rebuild after Moyes. Moyes spent half a billion pounds on the smallest 2nd oldest squad in the league. It's going to take quite a bit of time for the new manager to implement his new style on a new squad of players. Those players also have to adjust to the new system, the new league, and each other. Sullivan isn't going to get a young, progressive, attack minded manager. That just isn't something Sullivan would do. If Lopetegui were to be sacked right now, our choice of manager would be Moyes, Southgate, or Potter. So I'd rather stick with Lopetegui
@@willdoyle6952 Sullivan lost a fantastic opportunity to install a young , dynamic manager capable of playing football The West Ham Way , instead choosing the cheap safe Moyes 2.0 , in Lopetegui. He was lucky to have achieved so much with Moyes and I suspect having Noble and Rice made a big difference . Having employed Steidten to set up a successful structure , its mind boggling he puts a manager that’s counter to those objectives . I really would love to hear from an Arsenal supporter about their thoughts and feelings when Arteta was going thru his early adjustment as manager. That may give us some insight as to if Lopetegui has the capacity or capability to turn it around . Irrespective of his vast experience at many levels , he is being shown up but the younger , innovative thinkers
Good to hear Jennings providing some balance to the discussion. Sorry to hear about the people leaving awful comments. Keep up the good work and keep being you Gonzo.
The abuse is such a shame to hear. The reason you're one of my fave fan channels is because your warm and humorous personality makes me feel like it's a mate talking to me. And when I'm talking to my mates, we cover a range of subjects, go on tangents, be silly etc. I relate to that. I do a weekly radio show and I have an interactive chatroom with a lot of friends in there, and sometimes I have banter when I'm on the mic. Most people are fine but occasionally people will come into the chat or comment on my uploads things about my voice, talking too much, saying the wrong things etc like they own me! I feel you, it's not nice. But all I can say is, f*** 'em! Your channel, you say what you want mate. The vast majority are right there with ya, and the rest can crawl back into their holes. Keep on being you mate. You're bloody good at it! Much love. ⚒
Also, Rory Jennings gets a lot of stick but he's been fair with Hammers fans for a long time now. Probably the only person on Talksport that actually gives his own balanced, educated opinions without being a wanky shock jock. He's not always right, but I'll always give my time to listen to what he's got to say on the subject of West Ham
The media don't hate west ham in particular, they turn on EVERY club when they can sniff unrest. Trust me every fanbase has the exact same issue with the media. You only notice the west ham stuff, every club gets it in one way or another...
Kudus’ actions were inexcusable and he deserves whatever punishment comes his way, but before we throw him under the bus again and blame him for all West Ham’s woes, consider the level of frustration he feels when week after week, calls for him to be played in his preferred position are ignored, week after week he is the hardest working player on the team while Paqueta and others don’t put in the same effort, and then he is criticized for not being successful in a team that is being run into the ground by a clueless coach. I feel for every West Ham player and fan, and if something is not done soon, it will only get worse Lopetegui has got himself to blame because if you as a coach cant see that Paquetta is shite at the moment then nobody else can help you. I had a lot of trust in Loppy hut at the look of things i really dont think he can turn things around now that Kudus is suspended
Top rant mate and bang on. I was at a Geoff Hurst event last night and of course, love the bloke dearly and an absolute legend but even he was trotting out the Moyes rhetoric. Moyes was “sacked” was the term. Sacked? No he bloody well wasn’t. He wasn’t renewed and as far as we know he was given an opportunity to work with Steidten as a head coach but turned it down. I don’t think Sir Geoff was deliberately spinning stuff himself but probably he’s just regurgitating a narrative from a mainstream media hell-bent on changing history as you correctly put it
I listen to most of Rory's videos, he has a non sport media / TV background but is a self made youtuber and is spreading his wings. He's often melodramatic and makes some outrageous predictions to get views, but his fundamental understanding of all things football is generally sound and he is fair toward other clubs from their fans perspective which the pros cant do. PS ignore the haters, you and Geo are my only essential daily youtube content, you are brilliant, funny and thought provoking
Still dont think its a system or tactical issue. Its player selection. Soucek has no room in a team with a manager that wants to play possession and build up football. We lose the midfield battle every week before a ball is kicked. Need a midfield of alvarez, soler and paqueta (when on form). Or play kudus centrally who also puts in a defensive shift which frees summerville from the bench
Great video Gonzo. I've been avoiding them following the defeat (only 2 days - feels longer). Sorry to hear about the trolls that are lurking in the comments / viewers. I'll just have to utilize my Patreon membership for the digging updates! Take care brother!
Gonzo, great material as usual. Really sorry to hear about abuse you had around openly sharing your excitement getting new puppy. We see this so often where individuals think they can say what they want on social media and hide from a screen. It's hard not to let it effect you when your reading, I am patron member joined 2 months ago and it's top draw. Keep up the brilliant work you do and giving west ham fans a voice. Appreciate the amount hours you and geo spend putting all the content together. Top blocks 👍🏻
Hi gonzo keep the pupdates going mate, we live in a world where differing opinions often turn in bile and vitriol for all too many. I really struggle to understand the concept of complete anger just because someone else sees the world differently, cheers
Sorry that dickheads make it personal Gonzo. At least you have all the lovely patrons that love to hear about what’s going on with the pups and getting extra content because we all love hearing yours and geos opinions on WHU. For everyone who wants to hear more pupdates, give Gonzo some love and become a patron. Literally the cost of a coffee per month, been a member for nearly 3 years and I love every bit of it.
Hi. Gonzo. What you said is absolutely true. Sometimes, people start a personal attack because of an opinion. They don't focus on the opinion, they abuse the person making the opinion. Not everybody is like that of course. Personally, I thoroughly enjoy listening to both yourself and Geo on this channel. Keep up the good work. By the way, I have a dog myself, and I sometimes think animals behave in a much better way than people.
Ok who was better than Moyes after Lyall? Who go us 3 seasons of European football and always got us into the knockout stages, please enlighten me because Redknapp did jack shit compared to Moyes and for me he was one of the best managers we’ve had after John Lyall
I couldn't agree more with the title of the video and it has nothing to do with players we have, Lopetegui just like Moyes and a handful of others left from that era is 2 decades behind modern football and his inability of in-game management will cost us relegation if the change isn't done asap. P.S. Southgate must not be allowed within 10 miles of WHUFC! GSB Lopetegui OUT!!!!!!!
I wanted Lopetegui before Moyes 2nd stint with us! I watched Sevilla when he was there. A bloody entertaining side to watch and Europe! I believe he will come good. Only time will tell.
Chances of that happening at West ham are virtually impossible. He has shown nothing to prove he can compete at this level in the PL. He best leave and give us some time to repair this season.
@@Sukiethenoodleits sullivan, always sullivan. All he knows is sticking his hooter in , why can't he let Tim scout and get players , let the coach coach , and stop interfering.
Rory’s a really good watch imo. Watched him for a long time on RUclips now so pleased to see him getting more into the mainstream media and giving more of a fans view than these ex pros. He’s had one absolute howler of a clip go viral but generally I think he talks a lot of sense and has been in tune with WH fans for a long time on Moyes/Sullivan etc despite being Chelsea himself. Need more fan voices in mainstream media imo.
Rory Jennings is a Chelsea and was from their fan channel. He did have a stint with acting too, was on Eastenders for a bit and was also on an episode of Doctor Who during the David Tennant years.
We don't want Southgate, no more kneeling in the Premier League, it's meaningless divisive nonsense. I don't want racism in football anymore than anyone else. The Premier League is a great example, of including all races. Fans don't care who the players are as long as they are good got their clubs. Lopetegui won't be any good for our club, how can he change his mindset.
Kneeling is such a pathetic idea. That’ll stop racism! And as you say, our league is one of the best in the world at being an all inclusive, fair and diverse set up.
Saw the piece on Talksport and to be honest, listened to Rory Jennings a few times last season... Every time he seemed to get and understand what us West Ham fans were going on about. Obviously he is not one of Moyes's mates!!
Furthermore Kris, I thought you were very balanced and fair with your comments, much more than I would be, as I would not give too much credit to moyes for the conference cup. I have stated many times since it was ours to lose, and we nearly did, as our squad value, experience, income and EPL status made us favourites. Sorry had to send this in addition as I was out when I sent the 1st comment. Keep up the good work ⚒️
That video was spot on. Rory Jennings can spout a lot of crap but he sometimes has those diamonds like this. Everything he said was exactly what I thought and it’s honestly the only time I’ve agreed with the media in a long time.
Gonzo, I was so angry when I heard that co-presenter say he wonders what Moyes would have done with £100m that I was going to ask if you boys had seen the video, so I am glad that you have highlighted it mate. It's so frustrating and you're bang on when you say the majority of the media want us to fail
I'm not a West Ham fan, but i do enjoy your videos, please ignore the arseholes that give you grief, forget them, they are gutless turds. Keep up the good work, mate.
Hi dont usually comment on here but do not be put off by idiots who say personal things. I have animals and love them and you talking about your dog, depending on my mood I can give or take it. But you keep to the end and at that point everyone can chose to either continue or stop. Keep up the enjoyable content.
Heard Rory J (Chelsea fan) a few times and he is normally pretty fair from a fan perspective, he was one of the few who supported the moyes out view due to the dire football in offer
Lopetgui is Moyes mark ii, the only difference I can see is that he’s more animated on the side line, makes subs and smiles when he’s on camera without cracking his face.
Are we seriously still talking about David Moyes? He’s gone, and we’re under a new regime now! Can’t we move on and focus on the new manager and how we can move forward? It’s unreal that Moyes’ impact is still being discussed even after he’s left.
What's with the 'we're'? WE are not discussing Moyes, I am. I'm discussing him as part of a debate which somebody brought to my attention which I thought was evident from what I said. I am not forcing you to discuss Moyes any more than I am forcing you to watch this video. However, I would appreciate it if you don't tell me what to say. 11,000 people have watched and interacted with this video mate, therefore it would be a bit silly if I ditched the discussion just because you believe I should 'move on'. You are welcome to send in a video and I'll publish it but hopefully you will understand that I have to speak my own words rather than try and guess what you might want to hear . . . that would be madness right?
@@HammersChatForum Honestly Gonzo, I’m not trying to tell you what to say. I really enjoy watching Hammer’s Chat videos and will continue to do so. I just wanted to share my thoughts as a fan. Are we discussing David Moyes because he was actually more successful than we thought? Now that we’re under a new manager, it highlights just how good a job Moyes did for us. If he truly was that bad, I don’t think we’d still be talking about him so much. There’s definitely a divide among fans about his success at the club, which creates a bit of animosity now that he’s gone. Sometimes, it feels like I’m not allowed to express my opinion without pushback, which can be frustrating. I appreciate the discussions, but I think it’s important for fans to share their perspectives, even if they differ from the popular opinion. I want to say that I really appreciate the work Hammer’s Chat is doing. The videos are entertaining, and I do enjoy the content. It’s great to have a platform where fans can engage in meaningful discussions about the club.
I said the same thing with moyes. We are unable to compete with high intensity possession based football ,unless we put everyone behind the ball. And the new signings haven’t changed my mind. In fact it has made it worse under this current manager.
Our board refuses to consider managers who are employed at other clubs. Brady and her pals can look as annoyed as they like, but they are responsible for limiting the size of the talent pool they fish in. And why are out of work managers largely out of work? Exactly. You reap what you sow West Ham.
Gonzo The real problem here is that the two sides have not agreed on the rules of the debate. Before you start quoting facts and figures you have to agree what counts as an argument and what weight a given fact should have. My question would be what are the objective factors we can use to evaluate a manager? Could you list the ones that you are using? How do other managers compare on this scale. How do previous west ham managers compare? Only when both parties agree on the standard of evaluation can a discussion even begin. It seems clear to me that you and the pundits are using different standards. They have managed football clubs and you have not. That is not a put down, it is a fact. You see the game as a fan, which may be harder for a manager to do. But to have a dialogue one must find common ground or it is just about feelings. What I can tell you for a fact as a west ham fan since 1972 no West Ham manager was ever sacked (or his sacking demanded) for anything David Moyes did. This is why older pundits find the situation impossible to fathom. Style is subjective like ice cream flavours or which breed of puppies are cutest. But style has to be given a value or a weight like everything else because in the final analysis results are more important than style. By how much? That thorny problem is why the two sides of this debate find it so hard to find common ground.
Gonzo, I saw the Rory Jennings video straight after the game, and I agree I think he sums up some good points (from a neutral point of view). Last year I think he tended to spout the same pro-Moyes nonsense as everyone else. The 100m comment I first heard on the Stuart Pearce interview, but the female commentator on the program (Abby) had a really balanced view apart from thinking that Loppy was ok with the fans; however, she was a lot more informed than the other 2 blokes on the program, and sounded like she'd actually been following West Ham's progress and maybe seen a few games.
Gonzo I know it’s easier said than done but ignore the air heads in the chat … I think your puppy is beautiful mate and everyone deserves the love of a dog including grumpy West Ham fans like me and you
He could stumble his way across the finish line this season but then what? Sullivan always pulls the rug in the second season so he'll even less to work with. There's no upwards trajectory with Lopetegui so I'd get rid so we can salvage what's left of the season. Though I will say that nothing will ever change until Sulli decides to get off his thrown.
Lets face it Moyes might have signed 2 or 3 players b4 the start of the season and probably would have kept his normal 11 and we would have been no better off
Gonzo, think there’s one other thing that everyone is forgetting. Wasn’t David Moyes offered an extension at the end of 2023 / start of 2024? And I’m pretty sure he turned it down because he wanted to wait…
Gonzo, what do you think might be the reason all the ex pros, ex managers and all mainstream media all support Moyes? Really weird, normally you see pundits and managers disagreeing with each other. But they all back Moyes? Rory Jennings’s is a good pundit, he’s a Chelsea fan unfortunately 😂😂
Personally I am perfectly happy with Lopetegui. The team has had a much more open and attacking style since previous incumbent departed. So far it has been largely ineffective but I'm enjoying it. Unfortunately most the players, apart from perhaps those proven at international level, lack sufficient mobility and technical skills, so expectations should remain modest.
Correct JLo was more than likely not on nobody's list. But it's also hilarious that Moyes is certainly not on anyone's list, which just speaks volumes in itself. I'd also luv to see a pol from all PL teams fanbase that would want Moyes as thier manager? Pretty sure we all know how nonexistent the percentages in his favour would be. The predicament is who would replace JLo? Which kinda excludes everyone who is available, as we know Sullivan wouldn't dig very far into the pockets. I'd actually prefer to give JLo abit more time on that basis, probably until Christmas at most. Not to mention our striker and midfield problems isn't going to get sorted until January anyway (fingers crossed). But if JLo can show some promise with his starting selection and tactics in the meantime then I'd say he would deserve to have a chance to stay on to and make some improvements during the January window. On the other side of that obviously if we stay on this current trajectory with no real improvement in selection or tactics then Christmas could possibly be too late and I'll probably be calling for him to go before then lol.
to be fair, I heard Rory Jennings randomly on Talksport aroud February this year defending West Ham fans and he himself said Moyes should have left after the cup win. However, he also seemed to flip flop in the summer around the time Moyes joined the Talksport team for the Euros.. I think Rory knows which side his bread is buttered.
Less points per game than the last 8 games of Moyes' reign. And what a shocking 2024 overall, 6 wins from 26 games. No signs Jlo is the man to inject some life into the club. Going to be another fascinating season at West Ham 😂
2 wins 1 draw actually and lopeteigui has had 2 wins 2 draws, wins against Luton and wolves and losses to palace last season, this season we beat Palace
We knew post Moyes that a major rebuild was required, and it's clear the midfield and striker situation still needs investment - not convinced Lopetegui will improve results and performances until then and not sure he will or should be given another window to turn this mess around
Sorry about the Dog abuse - totally understand keeping in seperate, it’s a shame some people ruin it. Used to enjoy your dog walks in Covid, I think hammers chat has grown since that point and when results are going badly people get abit toxic, it’s only football at the end of the day, good luck with the pup
Hi Gonzo. There will never be balance within the media as far as moyes is concerned. To them it always seems to be West Ham should put up with mediocrity and be happy with it whereas other clubs , smaller clubs ( no disrespect Brighton, Palace etc) are encouraged with their pursuits of progressive managers.
Might be wrong but I think Rory started as a RUclips fan creator rather than a journo, I certainly saw him on RUclips before talksport. If that’s right might be why he has more of a fans perspective.
This is what worries me, I’m not seeing anything improve. The defence looks every bit as shaky as it did last season, JL looks just as stubborn as Moyes - the first couple of games I seem to remember him making early substitutions, which I though was an improvement on DM, but he appears to have stopped doing that. Postecoglu made a half time change and switched his team up in Saturday- I can only assume JL was happy with what he saw, when the rest of us could have easily predicted exactly what did happen was on the cards… I’m not going to lie, I’m concerned
We didn't have a clean sheet domestically for the last 20 games of last season (18 league and 2 FA Cup v Bristol City). Yet Stelling this morning, it's on RUclips, asking would West Ham fans want Moyes back now.
We've been poor under Lopetegui, especially considering the money spent, but we're still better than we were 6 months ago and Moyes was given similar money to spend each season.
Sorry to hear about the keyboard warriors Gonzo. There's some idiots out there. It's a great channel and you're brilliant dude!
@@westwoodhammer5057 agreed. Social media is a very, very mixed blessing.
@@ECNIV2000mixed blessing? It's a pure negative mate. People don't converse anymore, believe factless rumours they see or hear, gone way beyond being a blessing, it's a fkn curse. Trust me.
@@modernista6056 oh, I completely hate it. It ruined rock & roll, it ruined socialization, it’s ruined film, and even sports. I just figured since I was currently using it, that I’d be euphemistic, 🤣. It makes following from the States a hell of a lot easier, but I’m not sure we need opinion platforms for every bloody site. The “Wild West” approach of internet monitoring is also about as safe as Dodge City was in 1876 as well! 🤣 (I must keep my humor up these days!) COYI⚒️
I watched that Talk Sport piece and it was good to finally hear someone who actually understood the West Ham fans frustrations instead of the usual David Moyes rhetoric.
Gonzo, the vast majority of us really appreciate everything you do, I know it’s easy to say but try and ignore the idiots mate
Im glad jennings said all that and i basically found myself applauding him because it was accurate. Also, i dont like neil warnock. I respect his longevity in the game but hes a sarcastic, smarmy git
Warnock loathes us too, sad little man who can’t get over 2007
I heard the Neil Warnock comment (and Ali McCoist saying all the same stuff on tv) and thought the same as you Gonzo; Moyes had £110m just from the sale of Rice! In fact he spent £450m in total and last season we still got thrashed by Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Palace, Fulham (twice), Villa, Newcastle, knocked out of the FA Cup by Bristol and barely beat bloody Kidderminster. He wasted fortunes on various failed signings, never signed a decent striker and never took responsibility for his own failings.
No one asked for JLo but, the more he loses, the more we're going to have to listen to this kind of rubbish in the media. Hopefully, if he starts winning eventually, we can rub their noses in it.
Sometimes you need to think about what you write. We finished 9th last season. So for every bad thing you find there must be something good. Example
1. Lost to Man U Also beat Man U
2. Lost to Liverpool But Beat Spurs away
3. Lost to Chelsea but also beat chelsea with 10 men.
4. Lost to Fulham Twice But beat Wolves Twice
5. Lost to Villa But Beat Brighton Away.
6. Lost to Arsenal but beat them Twice.
Also got to the Quarter Finals in Europe and had some wonderful nights including 5-0 v Freiburg . Got further in Europe than Newcastle and United and beat the team (Olympiacos) who won the conference.
When the cup i half empty it is also half full.
@@FlowDeFlowDrainage I do think about what I write, that's why it is properly punctuated, the spellings are correct, capital letters, commas, brackets, full stops, the lot! I even did a paragraph, can't say fairer than that,
I was trying make the point that we got thrashed plenty of times under Moyes. I also think we got knocked out of Europe as soon as we played someone half decent. There were of course some half decent performances but let's face it, most of us were more than happy to see the back of Moyes by the end. You obviously didn't mind too much, so I'm happy for you.
Come On You Irons
@@PWMoze The first line of my post was provocative, I would normally have edited that out before posting, I apologise for that.
My point was there has been a tendency to represent Moyes' tenure as some kind of failure.
I beg to differ. I also think he was able to improve the club in some of the most challenging circumstances of our lifetime, the lockdown.
Everyone seems to forget that and with good reason, but no evaluation of his time here can be complete without taking the effects of that period into consideration.
If for no other reason than but for the financial restrictions placed on him we would have signed Eze ahead of Palace.
That chapter in our history is over but It compares well with the history I witnessed since 1972.
There are things to like and dislike about every manager I have ever seen. Even John Lyall had two relegations and the longest run without a win in our history.
I think the difference today is with all the money managers are not allowed to work through hard times.
If we had treated Lyall that way 1980, 1981 and 1986 would never have happened and that would have been a real shame.
Your comment here and the follow up is spot on as is Gonzo’s comments. There is so much evidence you could have said to that ‘moyes in’ supporter but what’s the point. I was going to write a reply to him highlighting all the facts that moyes is in fact a charlatan and has narcissistic tendencies which somehow gets missed by pundits and oiks like ‘Flow…’ . I’m not sure jlo is the answer but i do know moyes is not the panacea
@@FlowDeFlowDrainage I loved John Lyall as a bloke, more than Greenwood even, but I would be the first to admit that there were some pretty gloomy periods under his management. I think the difference back then was you simply didn't expect managers to come and go on a regular basis, West Ham was a club that stuck by them through thick and thin until it was almost impossible to continue with them.
Even then it was considered very risky to go outside of the club for a replacement as demonstrated by the awful period under Lou Macari. The club was always more comfortable being managed by a Billy Bonds, Harry Redknapp, Slav, Trevor Brooking, Glen Roeder or Curbishley. They were trying to ensure the continuity of the 'West Ham Way' even if it mostly produced mediocre results. Every time we flirted with a new direction or style we regretted it (Pellegrini, Zola) and the pendulum immediately swung back in the opposite direction (Allardyce, Moyes).
Moyes was the best of those and most successful by a mile! He brought stability, raised our profile and even brought us a European trophy. But he was undoubtedly a 'safety first' manager and that meant lots of dull games and a reliance upon a limited group of players like Antonio, Soucek, Zouma and Cresswell. He was clearly at odds with Sullivan at times and this resulted in inexplicable signings that ended up being sold at a loss after never really getting a chance, as a result we still have Danny Ings. He also didn't want to risk bringing youngsters through. He never really found a striker and allowed various transfer windows to pass without bringing in reinforcements. He was a dour man and so was his football.
I think his best period happened almost despite of him when, by accident more than design, we were able to bring Lingard to the club. For a brief period Lingard gave us the inspired, improvised creativity that Moyes would ordinarily discourage. Almost without him meaning to, we became a 'flair team' with a world class Declan Rice and an up and coming Bowen. That was Moyes at his best and, even when Lingard moved on, it saw us through to the final in Prague. I'll always be grateful to him for that.
But eventually his team stopped performing and for the last six months of his term we all became justifiably tired of him. For me the final straw was the five nil thrashing by Fulham.
Absolutely disgusting Chris hope your alright pal, its easy for us to just say ignore it but like you say it hurts when it's personal and there's no need for it, you do a cracking job in keeping us up to date and informed with some laughs along the way, thanks for all your great content it's very much appreciated ⚒️
Summerville was Sullivans pick.
Kilman was Lopeteguis pick.
Fullkrug was Tims pick.
Lopetegui was Sullivans pick.
Lopetegui wasn't on Tims list.
The centre forward capture switched between Duran and Fullkrug. Two total opposites.
I'm loving the butter like smoothness of our joined up thinking.
Its a brave new world....well not really, its the same as it ever was....just with a new supporting cast.
Bang on the money, sadly 😮
@@garydixon5838how does it feel being pumped in your cup final?
The club is in a mess and has been for a long time.
One person and one person only to blame. Yet he sits in the ground and nobody voices an opinion against him anymore.
You missed out Rodriguez and Guillaume both tims picks .
Also ask yourself why did leverkeusen let Tim go ?
Because he had limited control there and only got a loan authorised so wasn,t considered unreplaceable
Toooooooooooooooooo many cooks imo ! Sullivan needs to hurry up and .................... then we can be liked and taken seriously again
Rory Jennings over a period of time has been fair to West Ham fans on Talksport - personally I think he gets it completely and why we wanted Moyes out and why we wanted a complete change of direction ….Sullivan has fcuked it completely
Also I’m a patreon of hammers chat and love your content Gonzo , completely understand on personal stuff ….would never put personal stuff in the public domain …too many arseholes out there ⚒
💯 Jenning’s talk a lot of nonsense….he’s the fella thought Haaland would be a bust 😳…but he has been fully behind Hammers fans in replacing Moyes. Very fair to us
The media are a disgrace, never listen to fans who actually know about their clubs. I'm not a West Ham fan but knew if JL had troubles they'd bring out every Moyes cliche in the book because they're lazy and predictable at their jobs. Even I know exactly why so many WH fans wanted Moyes out in the end and why those fans aren't looking back at his reign through rose tinted glasses
If the club were to sack Lopetegui, they wouldn't bring in a young, hungry, attack minded manager. That's just not a thing that Sullivan would do. It's more than likely going to be Moyes.
I'd rather have Lopetegui than Moyes again.
Why? Moyes delivered huge success for the club. Take Moyes out, and the club is going to get relegated.
@@kriskalpawe almost got relegated under moyes while playing awful football. He spent half a billion and we still played shit football!!
Moyes won´t come back, never say never right! If he did come back I would struggle to support a club I have supported for over 50 years, seriously!
@@kriskalpawhat utter, utter rubbish. What is this huge success you talk about? He nearly got us relegated last season.
Moyes was employed twice by Sullivan because that is our level. We cannot attract top managers.
@@motr1912 he led WH to European glory. his results were more than respectable given the constraints. WH are about to be relegated again but without the European football. I find it odd that Moyes doesn't get the respect he deserves. Lopetegui demonstrates that managing the club is not an easy thing to do.
I´ve been watching my share of talksport videos this morning.. its really weird. Either they want to wind us up, to attract attention (click bait).. or they have a case of "I told you so".. which is embarrasingly childish. Nothing to do with journalism. Arrogant and unbalanced.
I feel , Lopetegui does not have what it takes to turn things around .
The narrative peddled by the club when he became the manager , we were told
he comes very well prepared .
We have seen after 10 games , this was a con job , pulled on us by the club that he was
neither prepared nor capable of.
I call on the board to have the courage and change things quickly. It seems he is close to loosing the
dressing room .
Hope we see positive action soon .
Do you want Moyes back?
@@willdoyle6952
Certainly, Not Moyes .
But while Lopetegui was never a name of preferred managers( partly because of his unethical past )
, I was 100% behind him after he was appointed . I was lead to believe that he came fully prepared
for this job , having spent most of last season , focusing on how to improve us .
I was confident that with Steidten there ,this would be good this season .
100 M + spent on players , and we are worse .
Why the manager chooses to pull mind bending excuses , like translation issues
leading to the loss , is beyond me .
He boasts of speaking several languages yet he is unable to master the no one language
in his profession, Communication.
Time to go.
@rkhan5419 We needed to do a huge rebuild after Moyes. Moyes spent half a billion pounds on the smallest 2nd oldest squad in the league. It's going to take quite a bit of time for the new manager to implement his new style on a new squad of players. Those players also have to adjust to the new system, the new league, and each other.
Sullivan isn't going to get a young, progressive, attack minded manager. That just isn't something Sullivan would do.
If Lopetegui were to be sacked right now, our choice of manager would be Moyes, Southgate, or Potter. So I'd rather stick with Lopetegui
@@willdoyle6952absolutely not
@@willdoyle6952
Sullivan lost a fantastic opportunity to install a young , dynamic manager capable of playing football
The West Ham Way , instead choosing the cheap safe Moyes 2.0 , in Lopetegui.
He was lucky to have achieved so much with Moyes and I suspect having Noble and Rice made a big difference .
Having employed Steidten to set up a successful structure , its mind boggling he puts a manager that’s counter to those
objectives . I really would love to hear from an Arsenal supporter about their thoughts and feelings when Arteta was
going thru his early adjustment as manager.
That may give us some insight as to if Lopetegui has the capacity or capability to turn it around .
Irrespective of his vast experience at many levels , he is being shown up but the younger , innovative thinkers
Good to hear Jennings providing some balance to the discussion. Sorry to hear about the people leaving awful comments. Keep up the good work and keep being you Gonzo.
The abuse is such a shame to hear. The reason you're one of my fave fan channels is because your warm and humorous personality makes me feel like it's a mate talking to me. And when I'm talking to my mates, we cover a range of subjects, go on tangents, be silly etc. I relate to that. I do a weekly radio show and I have an interactive chatroom with a lot of friends in there, and sometimes I have banter when I'm on the mic. Most people are fine but occasionally people will come into the chat or comment on my uploads things about my voice, talking too much, saying the wrong things etc like they own me! I feel you, it's not nice. But all I can say is, f*** 'em! Your channel, you say what you want mate. The vast majority are right there with ya, and the rest can crawl back into their holes. Keep on being you mate. You're bloody good at it! Much love. ⚒
Also, Rory Jennings gets a lot of stick but he's been fair with Hammers fans for a long time now. Probably the only person on Talksport that actually gives his own balanced, educated opinions without being a wanky shock jock. He's not always right, but I'll always give my time to listen to what he's got to say on the subject of West Ham
You’re right about the media hating us!! How dare little West Ham dare to dream.
The media don't hate west ham in particular, they turn on EVERY club when they can sniff unrest. Trust me every fanbase has the exact same issue with the media. You only notice the west ham stuff, every club gets it in one way or another...
Kudus’ actions were inexcusable and he deserves whatever punishment comes his way, but before we throw him under the bus again and blame him for all West Ham’s woes, consider the level of frustration he feels when week after week, calls for him to be played in his preferred position are ignored, week after week he is the hardest working player on the team while Paqueta and others don’t put in the same effort, and then he is criticized for not being successful in a team that is being run into the ground by a clueless coach. I feel for every West Ham player and fan, and if something is not done soon, it will only get worse
Lopetegui has got himself to blame because if you as a coach cant see that Paquetta is shite at the moment then nobody else can help you.
I had a lot of trust in Loppy hut at the look of things i really dont think he can turn things around now that Kudus is suspended
Jennings is a chelsea fan, also there was over 10k petition signature against JLO at WestHam
I don't know of anyone that thought this would be a Moyes upgrade. No idea why we gave this random prem flop a job.
Top rant mate and bang on.
I was at a Geoff Hurst event last night and of course, love the bloke dearly and an absolute legend but even he was trotting out the Moyes rhetoric.
Moyes was “sacked” was the term.
Sacked? No he bloody well wasn’t. He wasn’t renewed and as far as we know he was given an opportunity to work with Steidten as a head coach but turned it down.
I don’t think Sir Geoff was deliberately spinning stuff himself but probably he’s just regurgitating a narrative from a mainstream media hell-bent on changing history as you correctly put it
It's just a footie term, wasn't renewed or sacked = same result!
@@ironix1
Is it? Not for me it isn’t. There’s a clear difference.
I listen to most of Rory's videos, he has a non sport media / TV background but is a self made youtuber and is spreading his wings. He's often melodramatic and makes some outrageous predictions to get views, but his fundamental understanding of all things football is generally sound and he is fair toward other clubs from their fans perspective which the pros cant do. PS ignore the haters, you and Geo are my only essential daily youtube content, you are brilliant, funny and thought provoking
Sorry to hear about the horrible comments
Keep doing what your doing love the channel
Still dont think its a system or tactical issue. Its player selection. Soucek has no room in a team with a manager that wants to play possession and build up football. We lose the midfield battle every week before a ball is kicked. Need a midfield of alvarez, soler and paqueta (when on form). Or play kudus centrally who also puts in a defensive shift which frees summerville from the bench
😮Only cowards use the anonymity of social media to spew their vindictive hateful comments just because someone disagrees with them Gonzo..
You are dead right Gonzo, there are so many Alan Brazils, I have three living in my back hedge.
Great video Gonzo.
I've been avoiding them following the defeat (only 2 days - feels longer).
Sorry to hear about the trolls that are lurking in the comments / viewers.
I'll just have to utilize my Patreon membership for the digging updates!
Take care brother!
Gonzo, great material as usual. Really sorry to hear about abuse you had around openly sharing your excitement getting new puppy. We see this so often where individuals think they can say what they want on social media and hide from a screen. It's hard not to let it effect you when your reading, I am patron member joined 2 months ago and it's top draw. Keep up the brilliant work you do and giving west ham fans a voice. Appreciate the amount hours you and geo spend putting all the content together. Top blocks 👍🏻
We appreciate everything you do!
Hi gonzo keep the pupdates going mate, we live in a world where differing opinions often turn in bile and vitriol for all too many. I really struggle to understand the concept of complete anger just because someone else sees the world differently, cheers
Good show tonight Gonzo, Very good points well done thank you
Sorry that dickheads make it personal Gonzo. At least you have all the lovely patrons that love to hear about what’s going on with the pups and getting extra content because we all love hearing yours and geos opinions on WHU.
For everyone who wants to hear more pupdates, give Gonzo some love and become a patron. Literally the cost of a coffee per month, been a member for nearly 3 years and I love every bit of it.
Keep up the good work Gonzo
Hi. Gonzo. What you said is absolutely true. Sometimes, people start a personal attack because of an opinion. They don't focus on the opinion, they abuse the person making the opinion. Not everybody is like that of course. Personally, I thoroughly enjoy listening to both yourself and Geo on this channel. Keep up the good work. By the way, I have a dog myself, and I sometimes think animals behave in a much better way than people.
Moyes was and is horrible and thank our lucky stars he’s gone.
Exactly this👍
Maybe, but we do have a lot to thank him for!
@@ironix1 I thank him for going.
Ok who was better than Moyes after Lyall? Who go us 3 seasons of European football and always got us into the knockout stages, please enlighten me because Redknapp did jack shit compared to Moyes and for me he was one of the best managers we’ve had after John Lyall
I’m just pointing something out although I do not want Moyes back either
I couldn't agree more with the title of the video and it has nothing to do with players we have, Lopetegui just like Moyes and a handful of others left from that era is 2 decades behind modern football and his inability of in-game management will cost us relegation if the change isn't done asap.
P.S. Southgate must not be allowed within 10 miles of WHUFC!
GSB Lopetegui OUT!!!!!!!
You don't get Europe and top placings by being 2 decades behind, not in this world!
@@ironix1 Wtf are you on about? Have you forgotten to take your meds?
You heard it here first...Mark Noble and James Collins will be in charge by January.
I wanted Lopetegui before Moyes 2nd stint with us! I watched Sevilla when he was there. A bloody entertaining side to watch and Europe! I believe he will come good. Only time will tell.
Chances of that happening at West ham are virtually impossible. He has shown nothing to prove he can compete at this level in the PL. He best leave and give us some time to repair this season.
How long do you give Loppy? In fact how long did you give Pelligrini before agreeing he had to go?
@@Sukiethenoodleits sullivan, always sullivan.
All he knows is sticking his hooter in , why can't he let Tim scout and get players , let the coach coach , and stop interfering.
@@ironix1 And "repair" with who?
@@Sukiethenoodle End of the season.
Rory’s a really good watch imo. Watched him for a long time on RUclips now so pleased to see him getting more into the mainstream media and giving more of a fans view than these ex pros. He’s had one absolute howler of a clip go viral but generally I think he talks a lot of sense and has been in tune with WH fans for a long time on Moyes/Sullivan etc despite being Chelsea himself. Need more fan voices in mainstream media imo.
Rory Jennings is a Chelsea supporter by the way
Rory Jennings is a Chelsea and was from their fan channel. He did have a stint with acting too, was on Eastenders for a bit and was also on an episode of Doctor Who during the David Tennant years.
Imagine a West Ham squad that actually managed to get its main targets through the door - Duran, Onana etc.
We would have to have a lot more money to have that, sadly! The big clubs have that entitlement.
ignore the haters Gonzo. Keep up the good work. COYI
We don't want Southgate, no more kneeling in the Premier League, it's meaningless divisive nonsense. I don't want racism in football anymore than anyone else. The Premier League is a great example, of including all races. Fans don't care who the players are as long as they are good got their clubs. Lopetegui won't be any good for our club, how can he change his mindset.
Media is there to create division! 👍👍
Kneeling is such a pathetic idea. That’ll stop racism! And as you say, our league is one of the best in the world at being an all inclusive, fair and diverse set up.
If there wasn’t racism,they wouldn’t take the knee.
Don't "We" me you don't talk for me ; players of colour disagree with your Dogshit!🤡
@@76evoMuppet!
Saw the piece on Talksport and to be honest, listened to Rory Jennings a few times last season... Every time he seemed to get and understand what us West Ham fans were going on about. Obviously he is not one of Moyes's mates!!
Shocking to hear that you got those remarks. What is wrong with people.
Kris, I agree with all what you said and I think you’re very kind with your comments about moyes.
Furthermore Kris, I thought you were very balanced and fair with your comments, much more than I would be, as I would not give too much credit to moyes for the conference cup. I have stated many times since it was ours to lose, and we nearly did, as our squad value, experience, income and EPL status made us favourites. Sorry had to send this in addition as I was out when I sent the 1st comment. Keep up the good work ⚒️
After an interesting WHU video, it is nice to know you have a real life and a bit of joy with your dog.
All the best on that maye.
That video was spot on. Rory Jennings can spout a lot of crap but he sometimes has those diamonds like this. Everything he said was exactly what I thought and it’s honestly the only time I’ve agreed with the media in a long time.
Gonzo, I was so angry when I heard that co-presenter say he wonders what Moyes would have done with £100m that I was going to ask if you boys had seen the video, so I am glad that you have highlighted it mate. It's so frustrating and you're bang on when you say the majority of the media want us to fail
Too many videos here that aren't Hammers Chat. I'm an addicts tier supporter, I want Geo and Gonzo!
Talksport will sack Rory Jennings for expressing a correct& balanced view about West Ham's issues.😆
How on earth did racism / kneeling come into this discussion 🤦♂️
I'm not a West Ham fan, but i do enjoy your videos, please ignore the arseholes that give you grief, forget them, they are gutless turds. Keep up the good work, mate.
Sorry you've had a bit of stick Gonzo, it's a lovely thoughtful channel, keep up the good work mate.
Great video Gonzo 👍⚒️
Hi dont usually comment on here but do not be put off by idiots who say personal things. I have animals and love them and you talking about your dog, depending on my mood I can give or take it. But you keep to the end and at that point everyone can chose to either continue or stop. Keep up the enjoyable content.
Love how the media are quick to bring up Lopetegui failing at Madrid but always leave out Moyes failures at 3 clubs
Jennings also said Harland would be a flop so 🤷🏻♂️
Heard Rory J (Chelsea fan) a few times and he is normally pretty fair from a fan perspective, he was one of the few who supported the moyes out view due to the dire football in offer
A lot of them are not supporter's of Moyes. They just didn't want us to have a chance of improving
Lopetgui is Moyes mark ii, the only difference I can see is that he’s more animated on the side line, makes subs and smiles when he’s on camera without cracking his face.
Top Guy Gonzo, wished he supported my claret n blue team! Good luck Westham you fans deserve better!
Are we seriously still talking about David Moyes? He’s gone, and we’re under a new regime now! Can’t we move on and focus on the new manager and how we can move forward? It’s unreal that Moyes’ impact is still being discussed even after he’s left.
What's with the 'we're'?
WE are not discussing Moyes, I am. I'm discussing him as part of a debate which somebody brought to my attention which I thought was evident from what I said.
I am not forcing you to discuss Moyes any more than I am forcing you to watch this video. However, I would appreciate it if you don't tell me what to say. 11,000 people have watched and interacted with this video mate, therefore it would be a bit silly if I ditched the discussion just because you believe I should 'move on'.
You are welcome to send in a video and I'll publish it but hopefully you will understand that I have to speak my own words rather than try and guess what you might want to hear . . . that would be madness right?
@@HammersChatForum
Honestly Gonzo, I’m not trying to tell you what to say. I really enjoy watching Hammer’s Chat videos and will continue to do so. I just wanted to share my thoughts as a fan.
Are we discussing David Moyes because he was actually more successful than we thought? Now that we’re under a new manager, it highlights just how good a job Moyes did for us. If he truly was that bad, I don’t think we’d still be talking about him so much. There’s definitely a divide among fans about his success at the club, which creates a bit of animosity now that he’s gone.
Sometimes, it feels like I’m not allowed to express my opinion without pushback, which can be frustrating. I appreciate the discussions, but I think it’s important for fans to share their perspectives, even if they differ from the popular opinion.
I want to say that I really appreciate the work Hammer’s Chat is doing. The videos are entertaining, and I do enjoy the content. It’s great to have a platform where fans can engage in meaningful discussions about the club.
Imagine Shearers face if Moyes became Newcastle manager. I know its highly unlikely, but I'd love to see his reaction!
Would LOVE to see that 😂😂, how quickly he'd change his tune
Or Southgate getting it .
@@mjsteier that would be good, but Shearer was very critical of Southgate in the Summer, he's always bigged Moyes up
I said the same thing with moyes. We are unable to compete with high intensity possession based football ,unless we put everyone behind the ball. And the new signings haven’t changed my mind.
In fact it has made it worse under this current manager.
Ever since Declan left, everything started crumbling.. everyone must now admit that he was the only thing holding this club up
Our board refuses to consider managers who are employed at other clubs. Brady and her pals can look as annoyed as they like, but they are responsible for limiting the size of the talent pool they fish in. And why are out of work managers largely out of work? Exactly. You reap what you sow West Ham.
Gonzo The real problem here is that the two sides have not agreed on the rules of the debate. Before you start quoting facts and figures you have to agree what counts as an argument and what weight a given fact should have.
My question would be what are the objective factors we can use to evaluate a manager? Could you list the ones that you are using? How do other managers compare on this scale. How do previous west ham managers compare?
Only when both parties agree on the standard of evaluation can a discussion even begin. It seems clear to me that you and the pundits are using different standards. They have managed football clubs and you have not. That is not a put down, it is a fact. You see the game as a fan, which may be harder for a manager to do.
But to have a dialogue one must find common ground or it is just about feelings.
What I can tell you for a fact as a west ham fan since 1972 no West Ham manager was ever sacked (or his sacking demanded) for anything David Moyes did.
This is why older pundits find the situation impossible to fathom. Style is subjective like ice cream flavours or which breed of puppies are cutest. But style has to be given a value or a weight like everything else because in the final analysis results are more important than style. By how much? That thorny problem is why the two sides of this debate find it so hard to find common ground.
Gonzo, I saw the Rory Jennings video straight after the game, and I agree I think he sums up some good points (from a neutral point of view). Last year I think he tended to spout the same pro-Moyes nonsense as everyone else. The 100m comment I first heard on the Stuart Pearce interview, but the female commentator on the program (Abby) had a really balanced view apart from thinking that Loppy was ok with the fans; however, she was a lot more informed than the other 2 blokes on the program, and sounded like she'd actually been following West Ham's progress and maybe seen a few games.
Gonzo I know it’s easier said than done but ignore the air heads in the chat … I think your puppy is beautiful mate and everyone deserves the love of a dog including grumpy West Ham fans like me and you
Rory Jennings has a very good channel and always has a good outlook
He could stumble his way across the finish line this season but then what? Sullivan always pulls the rug in the second season so he'll even less to work with. There's no upwards trajectory with Lopetegui so I'd get rid so we can salvage what's left of the season. Though I will say that nothing will ever change until Sulli decides to get off his thrown.
Lets face it Moyes might have signed 2 or 3 players b4 the start of the season and probably would have kept his normal 11 and we would have been no better off
Gonz ask Mark C about Jennings he was interviewed by him and was very fair - I also heard the piece he was spot on - ps he’s a Chelsea fan I believe
Gonzo, think there’s one other thing that everyone is forgetting. Wasn’t David Moyes offered an extension at the end of 2023 / start of 2024? And I’m pretty sure he turned it down because he wanted to wait…
Gonzo, what do you think might be the reason all the ex pros, ex managers and all mainstream media all support Moyes? Really weird, normally you see pundits and managers disagreeing with each other. But they all back Moyes? Rory Jennings’s is a good pundit, he’s a Chelsea fan unfortunately 😂😂
The woman on the show was also fair. She and Rory are also younger and therefore maybe not part of the ‘You’ve never played the game’ brigade
Can’t believe people got personal - that’s a disgrace . Love the dog / puppy updates
Thanks Michael mate
The sad thing is that we all knew we didn’t want lopi and dared to hope our purchases could bring some joy
Personally I am perfectly happy with Lopetegui. The team has had a much more open and attacking style since previous incumbent departed. So far it has been largely ineffective but I'm enjoying it. Unfortunately most the players, apart from perhaps those proven at international level, lack sufficient mobility and technical skills, so expectations should remain modest.
Why do you think J-Lo was able to move Wolves forward but doesn't look like he's going to manage that for us?
Ally Mccoist said your favourite phrase commentator on the spurs match “be careful what you wish for “
Correct JLo was more than likely not on nobody's list. But it's also hilarious that Moyes is certainly not on anyone's list, which just speaks volumes in itself. I'd also luv to see a pol from all PL teams fanbase that would want Moyes as thier manager? Pretty sure we all know how nonexistent the percentages in his favour would be.
The predicament is who would replace JLo? Which kinda excludes everyone who is available, as we know Sullivan wouldn't dig very far into the pockets. I'd actually prefer to give JLo abit more time on that basis, probably until Christmas at most. Not to mention our striker and midfield problems isn't going to get sorted until January anyway (fingers crossed). But if JLo can show some promise with his starting selection and tactics in the meantime then I'd say he would deserve to have a chance to stay on to and make some improvements during the January window. On the other side of that obviously if we stay on this current trajectory with no real improvement in selection or tactics then Christmas could possibly be too late and I'll probably be calling for him to go before then lol.
to be fair, I heard Rory Jennings randomly on Talksport aroud February this year defending West Ham fans and he himself said Moyes should have left after the cup win. However, he also seemed to flip flop in the summer around the time Moyes joined the Talksport team for the Euros.. I think Rory knows which side his bread is buttered.
Less points per game than the last 8 games of Moyes' reign. And what a shocking 2024 overall, 6 wins from 26 games. No signs Jlo is the man to inject some life into the club. Going to be another fascinating season at West Ham 😂
2 wins 1 draw actually and lopeteigui has had 2 wins 2 draws, wins against Luton and wolves and losses to palace last season, this season we beat Palace
If Moyes is so great and has been so badly done by the West Ham fans, then why hasn't another club rush to sign him .
Rory is Chelsea but goood to see others talking about it too
We knew post Moyes that a major rebuild was required, and it's clear the midfield and striker situation still needs investment - not convinced Lopetegui will improve results and performances until then and not sure he will or should be given another window to turn this mess around
What has come to light is we spent a fortune in the summer on what has turned out to be not very good players Inparticular players we no pace
Sorry about the Dog abuse - totally understand keeping in seperate, it’s a shame some people ruin it. Used to enjoy your dog walks in Covid, I think hammers chat has grown since that point and when results are going badly people get abit toxic, it’s only football at the end of the day, good luck with the pup
Hi Gonzo. There will never be balance within the media as far as moyes is concerned. To them it always seems to be West Ham should put up with mediocrity and be happy with it whereas other clubs , smaller clubs ( no disrespect Brighton, Palace etc) are encouraged with their pursuits of progressive managers.
Come on Gonza, can't we stop talking about Moyes. We've enough to be worried about with the mumbling Lopetegui
If we don't change now, our season will be a right-off. If we wait until January, we will be in a relegation battle!
It’s already a write off…
Rory's a Chelsea fan and I may be wrong but I think he has family who are West Ham fans
Rory’s a Chelsea boy but to be fair to him he’s always understood what we want. He was arguing the case of Moyes out back when most turned on him
Might be wrong but I think Rory started as a RUclips fan creator rather than a journo, I certainly saw him on RUclips before talksport. If that’s right might be why he has more of a fans perspective.
Gonzo, I'm SICK of hearing Moyes name FFS!
hope your doing alright mate ⚒️
Jesus what is wrong with people who go personal over an opinion! 🤬 These people need to get a life!
Shut up about Moyes, sick of it!
Your the most inoffensive host going mate,you dont deserve abuse of any kind.
This is what worries me, I’m not seeing anything improve. The defence looks every bit as shaky as it did last season, JL looks just as stubborn as Moyes - the first couple of games I seem to remember him making early substitutions, which I though was an improvement on DM, but he appears to have stopped doing that. Postecoglu made a half time change and switched his team up in Saturday- I can only assume JL was happy with what he saw, when the rest of us could have easily predicted exactly what did happen was on the cards…
I’m not going to lie, I’m concerned
We didn't have a clean sheet domestically for the last 20 games of last season (18 league and 2 FA Cup v Bristol City).
Yet Stelling this morning, it's on RUclips, asking would West Ham fans want Moyes back now.
We've been poor under Lopetegui, especially considering the money spent, but we're still better than we were 6 months ago and Moyes was given similar money to spend each season.
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@@jonkernow4477I'm not asking for Lopetegui to be commended or Moyes to be referenced.
Both have performed during 2024 given their resources.