These methods look very handy to an old guy like me. The young deck apes can scramble around setting up preventers from the bow and moving them back and forth and such, and I've done that. But having something that is setup and waiting to help me out is like having a young crew member aboard. A luxury that I cannot count on. Ever notice how a lot of older sailors switch to trawlers at some point because they think it's easier? But there's another set of sailors who quietly go about growing old on their boats, finding ways to overcome those limitations that accumulate with age. This seems like one of those ways.
from me well done. Do not know why people would no find this informative and well done.. good job. and to all who want to see it rigged during big winds.. really.. camera in hand , wife forward with whatever gizmo.. sure great idea... much safer to show it in light air.. best g
Exactly. All these tossers complaining about the lack of wind would be complaining about how they couldn't hear her if she was testing it in a gale of wind.
What do you mean by "test"?? Where is wind?? I think this might work, BUT it cost $400!! Check Climb Figure 8 Descender Rigging Plate - $30 same physics.
Thanks for the video. Personally I prefer the old style with the line to the bow and back to the cockpit method. Crossing Atlantic and Pacific I felt much saver. Go ahead Yachting World.
Hi, I take my preventer right to the front of the boat to a block, outside of the shrouds but inside the Genoa sheet, the long rope and angle will allow the boom to rise if it touches the water at speed. If you take it through the cleat midships as some do and you gybe then you can rip out the stanchions from the deck. I then take mine back to the Genoa winch that is not in use at the time, then I can get to it quickly and ease it slowly whilst letting the mainsheet take over the load, there will be a lot of weight on it if you gybe and the boat will be out of control, you need to get to it in a hurry. Attach to the boom with a large bowline or a short strop so that you can reach to connect or disconnect it with the boom fully out whilst you are standing on deck.
dodgy gybe: Was sailing a modified 49er with 470 sails, 1 trapeze and no wings. We went for a gybe with the kite up and this is in 17 knots of breeze. We broach and m crew has to climb on the centre board but we didn't capsize and I was trying to bear off and hike but the tiller extension had a sort of sleeve extension to make it longer so that just got ripped off and left us amazed we survived that experience
Yes, these are for accidental crash gybes and in strong winds things (and people) can get broken. Also autopilots don't always react well to windshifts and rolling downwind.
if you run the line around the mast, through a fastener at the cockpit and than latch it on again at the leech (big loop etc.) you can just hold your sail in place until you decide to gybe. but without the discomfort (and safety-hazard) of having to set it all up again after every maneuver.
I suppose having the mainsheet very loose during the gybe was for the purposes of demonstration. But I would always want to control the boom by sheeting in nice and tight. Bill Dixon.
Very helpful video. Had a couple questions about the old fashioned bowline on the boom approach. First, what is preventing the bowline from sliding forward on the boom? Is it grabbing a cleat , line, chock? Second, when you run the line forward , what are you passing the line around or through to hold it in place before running it aft ? Thanks
When you're as busy as this woman is, you shoot the video when her schedule allows. And when you can sail as well as she does, come back then and whine.
Only problem is the systems require a winch being free in the cockpit , when using a Genoa the cockpit winches become a premium and gibing and easing the Genoa and main not only require dedicated crew they also need cockpit winches to be in use
0:45] Gybe Easy? that thing could *kill* somebody - it better work perfectly. I get it, I used to be a rock climber, one look I can understand how it is supposed to work just looking at it, but it is also, what? a three pound hunk of forged metal swinging around a foot *below* the level of the boom. Absolutely bonkers. That is right where everybody's' skulls are.
I absolutely do not like preventive setups with the "vang" eye on the boom as an attachment point. If the end of the boom touches the water, under a strong inclination of the boat, the risk of a broken boom is emminent. Using (and demonstrating this explicitly) these preventers to actually perform a mainsail gybe is not at all a good practice! The mainsail sheet should always take the main load of the gybe, even when preventers are in place.
Good point. In the dinghy world there is the Clamcleat CL257 which will automatically release under a certain load. For example it's primary use in the dinghy world is the downhaul of a lifting rudder - so that if the rudder hits an underwater obstacle the cleat will release rather than damaging your rudder or its assembly etc. I can't think of anything similar in the yachting world, in particular something that can be used easily as a preventer would be ideal - to stop the boom from accidentally backwinding under normal conditions but if either the wind gets the wrong side of it too strong or if the boom takes a dip as the boat heels, the load would pop it out of the auto-release.
Except that these aren't preventers - they are brakes. If the boom does hit water, it will indeed move, just not as violently. Brakes are definitely not preventers.
You must have waited a long time to find a day with zero wind to explain a boom preventer designed for heavy weather jibing. I'm sure all the Volvo boats can't wait to install a jibe easy from Wishard. I prefer a simple line attached more midships for jibing & more forward when running long distance. I'm sure the viewers would appreciate what is your prefered system?
When you're as busy as this woman is, you shoot the video when her schedule allows. And when you can sail as well as she does, come back then and whine.
I like their idea of a long preventer going round the bow and back into the cockpit. That way you can release it easily in a hurry. When rigging a preventer, I worry about the wind changing direction suddenly, or a lack of concentration on the helm, or some other issue where the wind gets the wrong side of the main and the preventer could cause a lot of problems.
@@alkaholic4848 If the wind is powerful enough and you have a preventer rigged, instead of gybing the boat will turn on her ear until you can slowly (and with control) ease the preventer. You have to be ready to release the line and work it, quickly and safely. If you sail alone, this requires absolute attention in the cockpit 100%, which is impossible. A brake, however, allows the boom to move slowly and with less force.
Well, personally, I prefer the simple combination of a long line, reliable knots, and good seamanship. Less equipment means less potential of damage and problems. You'll have to move a bit more around your boat, but that's the way it is for a sailor.
"Long line, reliable knots, and good seamanship" doesn't prevent accidental gybes. If you've ever sailed alone, you'll know that no matter how well things are set up, the wind can change abruptly and if you're down below making lunch or having a nap, you'll never have time to react. These are invaluable.
Question (from a relative novice); I can understand the benefits of this for accidental gybes, but if you're planning a controlled gybe, why would you not sheet the main in before going through the gybe and then letting it out again after? (just going based on what you covered in your demonstration)
Adrian, I just had a man catapulted overboard last night in an accidental gybe. (The water was warm.:)) It's accidental because it happens when you're unprepared for it. There was no intention of gybing and therefore no one was bringing the main sheet in in preparation. The wind just shifted suddenly. Check this out: ruclips.net/video/eQDt1Xk74Mk/видео.html (not my boat)
Firstly describe why people have accidental gybes....sea conditions, poor helming, major wind shifts close to shore etc.. Secondly describe how to perform a controlled gybe.
As a noob to sailing I consider this a pretty awful design flaw. That yachts, which are hardly cheap, are not fitted with some device to prevent damage or injury - as standard - seems lame?
2:00] Now the Walder. First remove you boom bang. Second install a tripping hazard at mid deck from to rail to rail. That does not seem like a very good idea.
The more realistic the conditions for the test, the more dangerous the test is. The sole purpose of a test/drill is to increase safety, not to add danger. My Dad was nearly lost during a man overboard drill that was held in conditions that could reasonably be expected in a real M.O.B situation.
If the device is designed to be forward of the vang, then why the hell not install it there or else not bother to shoot this peice. Same with the wind.
Or, every single sailor can do what they always did. Pay attention to the sails. Not run the boat on autopilot all the time. Actually sail. Never seen the reason for a jib preventer. /Joel
A simple jibe preventing line to hold the boom back isn't a bad idea if you're going to run, especially a wing on wing run. Although I wouldn't rig it the way she did and I wouldn't recommend trying to let the tension out of a jibe preventing line while it's under a load but rather just bear back down wind so the wind isn't behind the sail. But it's even safer to just avoid running and stay on a broad reach and just haul in the main sheet and lock it in before performing a jibe.
If you ever sailed in strong winds and high rollers, your boom will be shaking like crazy, and a preventer is an absolute must. But even in a flat lake with 20 knots wind, gusts can come in from a different angle. Absence of a preventer is dangerous, potentially disastrous for your rigging and shows lack of respect for the sea. Luckily, they teach you the use of preventers on any basic course, and most sailors are wise enough to use them. I wouldn't go for any of the tools shown in this video, though. Just use a normal set up, and fix the preventer where the force is exercised on the boom (that is, where the main sheet is connected). This prevents boom damage.
Some awful tools & techniques here. Most kiwi sailors wouldn’t entertain this stuff but sail the boat right in the first place. Even your rope only technique would load up the other shroud laterally - instead go down to deck at the shrouds not around them to the bow.
We just yell Jibe ho. I look for ward when ever i head to the ocean to being in the one place the damn govt. isnt trying to "keep me safe" thank you I'm all set .
Best video I've found on the topic! Great job with the perfect amount of narration!
I welded 3 stainless anchor shackles together and made my own version of the Wichard for $15. It works like a champ!
These methods look very handy to an old guy like me. The young deck apes can scramble around setting up preventers from the bow and moving them back and forth and such, and I've done that. But having something that is setup and waiting to help me out is like having a young crew member aboard. A luxury that I cannot count on.
Ever notice how a lot of older sailors switch to trawlers at some point because they think it's easier? But there's another set of sailors who quietly go about growing old on their boats, finding ways to overcome those limitations that accumulate with age. This seems like one of those ways.
Great demonstration! Thanks for also showing the good old low-tech rope solution... Using two ropes - one on each side - and you are good to go.
You are an angel... This was the most valuable video what I've ever seen. Thank you.
from me well done. Do not know why people would no find this informative and well done.. good job. and to all who want to see it rigged during big winds.. really.. camera in hand , wife forward with whatever gizmo.. sure great idea... much safer to show it in light air.. best g
Exactly. All these tossers complaining about the lack of wind would be complaining about how they couldn't hear her if she was testing it in a gale of wind.
Thanks for the effort. Looking forward though to see your next comparative storm sails test done in the same flat calm seas.
What do you mean by "test"?? Where is wind?? I think this might work, BUT it cost $400!! Check Climb Figure 8 Descender Rigging Plate - $30 same physics.
Thanks for the video. Personally I prefer the old style with the line to the bow and back to the cockpit method. Crossing Atlantic and Pacific I felt much saver. Go ahead Yachting World.
Hi, I take my preventer right to the front of the boat to a block, outside of the shrouds but inside the Genoa sheet, the long rope and angle will allow the boom to rise if it touches the water at speed.
If you take it through the cleat midships as some do and you gybe then you can rip out the stanchions from the deck.
I then take mine back to the Genoa winch that is not in use at the time, then I can get to it quickly and ease it slowly whilst letting the mainsheet take over the load, there will be a lot of weight on it if you gybe and the boat will be out of control, you need to get to it in a hurry.
Attach to the boom with a large bowline or a short strop so that you can reach to connect or disconnect it with the boom fully out whilst you are standing on deck.
The Gybe Easy looks to be ‘aft’ of the vang vis-a-vis forward of the vang.
Know the Walder boom brake and I'm pretty happy with it.
Thank you Pip!
dodgy gybe: Was sailing a modified 49er with 470 sails, 1 trapeze and no wings. We went for a gybe with the kite up and this is in 17 knots of breeze. We broach and m crew has to climb on the centre board but we didn't capsize and I was trying to bear off and hike but the tiller extension had a sort of sleeve extension to make it longer so that just got ripped off and left us amazed we survived that experience
Thanks for the clear explanation.
The first one seemed the most practical; the last one seems like something that's worthwhile having rigged all the time.
I have always trimmed in the main sheet to centre the boom before gybing and never had any trouble. I would use a preventer if sailing dead down wind
Yes, these are for accidental crash gybes and in strong winds things (and people) can get broken. Also autopilots don't always react well to windshifts and rolling downwind.
I use the simple preventor, only a line. Those equipments means more weight and stuffs on board. ⛵️🇵🇸
if you run the line around the mast, through a fastener at the cockpit and than latch it on again at the leech (big loop etc.) you can just hold your sail in place until you decide to gybe. but without the discomfort (and safety-hazard) of having to set it all up again after every maneuver.
I suppose having the mainsheet very loose during the gybe was for the purposes of demonstration. But I would always want to control the boom by sheeting in nice and tight. Bill Dixon.
I did my day skipper with Clive on that boat.
Great video thanks for the info.
Very helpful video.
Had a couple questions about the old fashioned bowline on the boom approach.
First, what is preventing the bowline from sliding forward on the boom? Is it grabbing a cleat , line, chock?
Second, when you run the line forward , what are you passing the line around or through to hold it in place before running it aft ?
Thanks
A gybe wit Pip without preventer: any day! :-)
I like the gybe easy. I think I'll try a figure 8 attached to the boom via a carabiner next time I'm running.
What no wind, lets do the Boom Brake test.
When you're as busy as this woman is, you shoot the video when her schedule allows. And when you can sail as well as she does, come back then and whine.
Only problem is the systems require a winch being free in the cockpit , when using a Genoa the cockpit winches become a premium and gibing and easing the Genoa and main not only require dedicated crew they also need cockpit winches to be in use
You can use an aft cleat also.
The boat is a Hanse, 50-something feet.
thx for the tests,...
0:45] Gybe Easy? that thing could *kill* somebody - it better work perfectly. I get it, I used to be a rock climber, one look I can understand how it is supposed to work just looking at it, but it is also, what? a three pound hunk of forged metal swinging around a foot *below* the level of the boom. Absolutely bonkers. That is right where everybody's' skulls are.
Are those sail fuses reusable, or do you need to replace them every time one deploys?
I absolutely do not like preventive setups with the "vang" eye on the boom as an attachment point. If the end of the boom touches the water, under a strong inclination of the boat, the risk of a broken boom is emminent.
Using (and demonstrating this explicitly) these preventers to actually perform a mainsail gybe is not at all a good practice! The mainsail sheet should always take the main load of the gybe, even when preventers are in place.
Good point.
In the dinghy world there is the Clamcleat CL257 which will automatically release under a certain load. For example it's primary use in the dinghy world is the downhaul of a lifting rudder - so that if the rudder hits an underwater obstacle the cleat will release rather than damaging your rudder or its assembly etc.
I can't think of anything similar in the yachting world, in particular something that can be used easily as a preventer would be ideal - to stop the boom from accidentally backwinding under normal conditions but if either the wind gets the wrong side of it too strong or if the boom takes a dip as the boat heels, the load would pop it out of the auto-release.
Except that these aren't preventers - they are brakes. If the boom does hit water, it will indeed move, just not as violently. Brakes are definitely not preventers.
These are not really preventers. What they do is reduce the shock load. It doesn’t take much to do that and all of these will save your boom.
Interesting, thanks.
Are you serious? Testing boom brakes in no wind? Is this a joke?
Placing any boom brake halfway along just means you'll end up with a bent boom,seen it happen,I'll stick with the old way
You must have waited a long time to find a day with zero wind to explain a boom preventer designed for heavy weather jibing. I'm sure all the Volvo boats can't wait to install a jibe easy from Wishard.
I prefer a simple line attached more midships for jibing & more forward when running long distance. I'm sure the viewers would appreciate what is your prefered system?
When you're as busy as this woman is, you shoot the video when her schedule allows. And when you can sail as well as she does, come back then and whine.
A simple preventer line rigged to the end of the boom is simple and effective to prevent accidental gybe.
I like their idea of a long preventer going round the bow and back into the cockpit. That way you can release it easily in a hurry.
When rigging a preventer, I worry about the wind changing direction suddenly, or a lack of concentration on the helm, or some other issue where the wind gets the wrong side of the main and the preventer could cause a lot of problems.
@@alkaholic4848 If the wind is powerful enough and you have a preventer rigged, instead of gybing the boat will turn on her ear until you can slowly (and with control) ease the preventer. You have to be ready to release the line and work it, quickly and safely. If you sail alone, this requires absolute attention in the cockpit 100%, which is impossible. A brake, however, allows the boom to move slowly and with less force.
Sailfuse?? Thank you. Never heard of that before.
Junk, went bust
But which one is best value for money?
Nice.
GybEasy is shown hung AFT of the vang, I think she just misspoke - perhaps because she was facing aft.
Yes, all the armchair experts are having fun with that.
Well, personally, I prefer the simple combination of a long line, reliable knots, and good seamanship. Less equipment means less potential of damage and problems. You'll have to move a bit more around your boat, but that's the way it is for a sailor.
"Long line, reliable knots, and good seamanship" doesn't prevent accidental gybes. If you've ever sailed alone, you'll know that no matter how well things are set up, the wind can change abruptly and if you're down below making lunch or having a nap, you'll never have time to react. These are invaluable.
yes!
What do you loop your line around foreward on the boat? A cleat? Windlass? Just looking for safe options/ideas. Thanks.
Ian Northrop Take the preventer round a cleat, then back down to the cockpit and make secure. Run them outboard of the shrouds.
I really hope the re-do this segment, with wind and the equipment installed correctly. I'm genuinely interested in the results, not these opinions.
Question (from a relative novice); I can understand the benefits of this for accidental gybes, but if you're planning a controlled gybe, why would you not sheet the main in before going through the gybe and then letting it out again after?
(just going based on what you covered in your demonstration)
Adrian, I just had a man catapulted overboard last night in an accidental gybe. (The water was warm.:)) It's accidental because it happens when you're unprepared for it. There was no intention of gybing and therefore no one was bringing the main sheet in in preparation. The wind just shifted suddenly. Check this out: ruclips.net/video/eQDt1Xk74Mk/видео.html (not my boat)
@@stephenkidd1012 Great link! The human preventer obviously works if you want to go swimming :)
in rough condition even this is difficult and can slam quite hard
Why would you be willing to permanently remove your vang
Firstly describe why people have accidental gybes....sea conditions, poor helming, major wind shifts close to shore etc.. Secondly describe how to perform a controlled gybe.
As a noob to sailing I consider this a pretty awful design flaw. That yachts, which are hardly cheap, are not fitted with some device to prevent damage or injury - as standard - seems lame?
just use the traveler properly, even solo this isn't a tall order...i dunno...
No way, No flying metal for me
This seems more like an unboxing than an actual test. Nice to see the possible solutions, but I wouldn't call this an actual "test".
Sailfuse no longer seems to exist... :-(
Is the American term "Vang" commonly used in the UK now?
+ushoys Not really. But everyone knows what it is. I still use Kicking strap.
the vang props the boom up whereas the kicker holds the boom down. does that help?
2:00] Now the Walder. First remove you boom bang. Second install a tripping hazard at mid deck from to rail to rail. That does not seem like a very good idea.
Oops...looks like others already caught that.
thanks for the effort, but you really wasted your time attempting this video without any wind to show how they work
Why does yachting world always show you stuff in flat clam water , last month you did a man over board drill with no waves it was a joke.
Noel Faulkner Only a dumb ass would practice or demonstrate under actually dangerous conditions.
Noel Faulkner Only a dumb ass would practice or demonstrate under actually dangerous conditions.
Only an idiot would practice swimming in a bath tub .
The more realistic the conditions for the test, the more dangerous the test is. The sole purpose of a test/drill is to increase safety, not to add danger. My Dad was nearly lost during a man overboard drill that was held in conditions that could reasonably be expected in a real M.O.B situation.
Let us know when you setup your own You Tube channel so we can see how you'd do an educational MOB demonstration.
You mean “aft of the vang”.
If the device is designed to be forward of the vang, then why the hell not install it there or else not bother to shoot this peice. Same with the wind.
Good demo, but it's surprising to hear an apparently experienced sailor referring to 'rope'. That's landlubbers' language. It's 'line' isn't it?
Not necessarily. A control line is made out of rope
How great. Testing out boom brakes in flat calm. Almost as intelligent as Brexit.
Or, every single sailor can do what they always did. Pay attention to the sails. Not run the boat on autopilot all the time. Actually sail. Never seen the reason for a jib preventer.
/Joel
A simple jibe preventing line to hold the boom back isn't a bad idea if you're going to run, especially a wing on wing run. Although I wouldn't rig it the way she did and I wouldn't recommend trying to let the tension out of a jibe preventing line while it's under a load but rather just bear back down wind so the wind isn't behind the sail.
But it's even safer to just avoid running and stay on a broad reach and just haul in the main sheet and lock it in before performing a jibe.
Shit happens, accidents happen. If you run on reaching or a forewind course for a predictably long time, a preventer simply is good seamanship.
If you ever sailed in strong winds and high rollers, your boom will be shaking like crazy, and a preventer is an absolute must. But even in a flat lake with 20 knots wind, gusts can come in from a different angle. Absence of a preventer is dangerous, potentially disastrous for your rigging and shows lack of respect for the sea. Luckily, they teach you the use of preventers on any basic course, and most sailors are wise enough to use them.
I wouldn't go for any of the tools shown in this video, though. Just use a normal set up, and fix the preventer where the force is exercised on the boom (that is, where the main sheet is connected). This prevents boom damage.
Sail the trade winds during 25 days and then tell me after.
Some awful tools & techniques here. Most kiwi sailors wouldn’t entertain this stuff but sail the boat right in the first place. Even your rope only technique would load up the other shroud laterally - instead go down to deck at the shrouds not around them to the bow.
We just yell Jibe ho. I look for ward when ever i head to the ocean to being in the one place the damn govt. isnt trying to "keep me safe" thank you I'm all set .
Too strong an accent to understand.
I am not even a native speaker of English and understand her perfectly well.
oh bull shit. You're just not listening.
nonsense
Clear as a bell.
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