“For a few to be immortal many must die.” Is a perfect reference to real life which is “For a few to be the richest and most powerful many must suffer.”
People are breeding humanity into extinction. That's why the systems going to shit it hasn't little to do with capitalism or communism, no it's much more straightforward.
i calculated the amount 1 million years would be, by taking the average price for coffee in the real world (i used 1,20$) and the price in the movie (4 minutes). So he would have approximately 622 Billion USD.... oh and an additional 80 million
which isnt anywhere near close to the amount of money you need to upset a system like the usa government. and will can't rob banks from other companies because slyvia doesn't know the codes to those banks like she knows the one's from her father.
entirely depends how you'd use that money.. but giving it to random poor people is a good way of creating a great short amount of time of people fucking their stuff up even more while squandering their cash it would end up in some already rich guys pocket, the thug boss sorta figure, exponentially increasing the problems, leading to an even more immortal super powerful leader.. pretty much narco state mexico or political mafia of the highest level, like russia or italy only way to make this money count is creating free education, improving work conditions, creating opportunities so you can get these people out of poverty and into a happy functioning life.. something the rich have 0 benefits or interest in
So he's just conviently forgotten how he tried helping his bestfriend, by giving him some yrs, and that fucker pissed it allaway and drank himself to death
ya, that was really on that dude himself.. don't get why his gf was angry like the bro just straight ditched his family and went drinking, least he could've done is get one of those storage devices and put 9 years on that, basically setting up his family for forseeable future plus anyone seeing the guy carrying what's supposedly half a million or whatever would mean a certain death sentence
He saw his best friend ded because of the "time" or money he gave and he still thinks the system is bad? Flawed for sure but bad? This just seperates people who have the capacity to actually change the world from drunkards like his bestfriend he was irresponsible and incompetent, if majority of the world is like that why should we give the same amount of authority or power to everyone? Last i checked communism always fail one way or another, or it becomes too big it becomes a democracy or a hierarchy, we have to accept that everyone can't be on the same footing nor everyone should be at the same level, darwinism is right about one thing those that di not have the capacity to adapt shouldn't exist or will not exist in the oong run Lucky to be born rich or lucky to be born
Why. When most physical mannerisms are a product of the aging body. More economical movements to save energy. Or lazy movements at the risk of injury. Think picking up a box. You get worse at it with age. Due to two factors. Loss of motion and laziness.
@CloudIncus he hasn't aged, why would his joints age? He looks younger than Justin in this movie. The 103 yrar old guy who committed suicide at the beginning of the movie didn't move like that.
@@drg8687 Ok now you are confusing me. You are the one who said he should have the movements of a elderly man. Mannerisms are movements. Are tied to them. Two things effect mannerisms. Social effects and body. He wouldnt gain mannerisms of a elderly person. Only the slow movements of the social area.
@CloudIncus no, I said it's odd that he had the mannerism of an old man. Old people don't walk and move the way they do because they get old, it's because their bodies break down. There's no logic behind the movements as they are a result of body degradation, which he does not have.
Agreed but the poor would never understand nor would they have the capacity to look at the bigger picture when they have their day to day as a means to survive,
@@davidortiz3094Weather you live rich or poor the end result is still the same. You go to the grave. So why shouldn’t the rich people help the poor once to live better lives.
@@Lone_Wolf91 They should. They are. That's what their companies do. They made products and services that made everyone's life better. And if you are just talking about philanthroby they are doing that too.
His speech definitely has some truth to it. Sure the million years could help people in the lower zones, but as it does they will aspire to have greater lives; to have more time. Greed will fill them and they will find anyway to fulfill those desires. It's human nature. 70%+ of lottery winners go bankrupt. The same people who managed to live with credit card debit and paycheck to paycheck without going insolvent somehow go bankrupt after winning millions. A perfect example is given in this film with his friend who dies of alcohol poisoning when given to much time. This movie really is great isn't it?
Lottery winners go bankrupt because they have no experience to handle that much money. Instead of using it to actually get more money out of it, they just spend all of it in a short amount of time. They dont have the disciplin of the people who made that amount of money on their own, who actually followed the reasoning of using money to make more money. Of course the speech has truth to it, we are seeing the truth right now in the world as well. Of course the west makes enough food that could be given to the less fortunate instead of throwing it into the garbage at the end of the day, but elevating the less fortunate to the same level as the west, purely by the help of the west, would lead to an economical disaster for both.
@TheDizeazedKiller thank you. It's like saying. People shouldn't be given the opportunity to make choices because they can't handle it Interesting enough. This is seen in the real world. The wealthy have actually said that the poor will get greedy, so we have to protect them from themselves. FDR actually put that experiment to the test. He put a 96% tax on the wealthy and forced redistribute of wealth and proved that giving the people the opportunity to be self-reliant won't make them greedy. In fact, it actually became known as the American dream. The rich fat cats got made because they were proven wrong.
@rayzala1393 Your words are wrong and prove to be lies. The people in the lower zones will not get greedy if they get more time like a year or even one hundred years or more. Greed will not fill them and they will not try to fulfill it. It's not human nature. Anyone who says that is some rich devil whose greedy, selfish, and a massive lying hypocrite. Lottery winners don't do bankrupt. That's BS that greedy and selfish rich people say to make a racist remark towards the poor and is just a massive insult that holds no water. The people who managed to live with credit card debt and paycheck to paycheck without going insolvent don't go bankrupt after winning millions. Your words and philosophy are proven wrong and the friend of his wouldn't die of alcohol poisoning if he had more time like one to ten years or even one hundred years of time. Lottery is not comparable to what would essentially be a UBI. You've been proven wrong like Phillippe.
@@TheDizeazedKiller UBI that would run out. It's the same concept. What happens to these people who get used to UBI when it runs out? A million years can change a few people's lives forever. But what can a million years do for millions of people? We never get a real number for how many people are in the lower zones but from what we've seen they live in urban areas with crowds. Not some small town with 500 people in it. That time would be gone in a year if not two.
1 Million years would be $136.314 trillion in todays money, Here’s my very rough estimate. Lets start by using the scene where the main guy gets a cup of joe and it costs 4 minutes. If we compare this to the average cost of a cup of coffee today, which is around $4.90, we can estimate that 1 minute is worth about $1.23. This is calculated by dividing the cost of the coffee by the time it costs in the movie ($4.90 / 4 minutes = $1.23 per minute). But here’s the thing, the movie is set in the future, specifically the year 2169, so we need to adjust for inflation. If we assume that prices rise by an average of 2.5% each year, we can calculate the future cost of a cup of coffee using the formula for future value with inflation: Future Value = Present Value * (1 + inflation rate) ^ number of years Plugging in our values, we get: Future Value = $4.90 * (1 + 0.025) ^ 146 = $1,038 This means that, if the average annual inflation rate were to remain constant at 2.5% from 2023 to 2169, a cup of coffee that costs $4.90 in 2023 could cost around $1,038 in 2169. With this new cost of a cup of coffee, we can adjust our conversion rate to about $259.50 per minute (since 4 minutes was the cost of a cup of coffee in the movie). This is calculated by dividing the future cost of the coffee by the time it costs in the movie ($1,038 / 4 minutes = $259.50 per minute). Now, to calculate the value of 1 million years, we first convert years to minutes (1 year = 525,600 minutes), which gives us 525,600,000,000 minutes for 1 million years. Multiplying this by our adjusted conversion rate ($259.50 per minute), we find that 1 million years could be worth approximately $136.314 trillion in today's dollars. This is calculated by multiplying the total minutes by the value per minute (525,600,000,000 minutes * $259.50/minute = $136,314,000,000,000).
There's no time for us There's no place for us What is this thing that builds our dreams Yet tips 'em 'way from us Who wants to live forever? Who wants to live forever? There's no chance for us It's all decided for us This world has only one sweet moment Set aside for us Who wants to live forever? Who wants to live forever? Who? Who dares to love forever? (Oh, whoa!) When love must die But touch my tears with your lips Touch my world with your fingertips And we can have forever And we can love forever Forever is our today Who wants to live forever? Who wants to live forever? Forever is our today Who waits forever anyway?
Neither of them are wrong. "Everyone wants to live forever... For a few to be immortal many more must die." "No one should be immortal if even one person has to die." The villain is right. Everyone wants to be the exception. Everyone is the hero of their own story. You can't just expect people to accept defeat. To concede to a life they view as inferior to what the could have. There are always going to be people willing to kill or die to achieve the life they believe they deserve. The hero is right. No one should have that power if the cost is the suffering of others. Everyone should get the same equitable chance at life and happiness as everyone else. There shouldn't be exploitation for the sole benefit of an elite upper class. Lives shouldn't be devalued to a value of pennies on the dollar. What's the solution? 1. Unlimited resources. Assuming you could exist in a world with unlimited land and resources, it's possible for everyone to be immortal without restriction. 2. Population restriction. Assuming you don't have access to unlimited space for growth and resources to support it, you have to stop reproducing so that your immortal population won't strain the available resources. Both of these options allows both the villain and the hero to achieve their ideals. You'd think population restriction would be pretty simple. Guess not.
Thats actually the solution on an episode on Death Loves and Robots. The thing is. Ilegall procreation is a death penalty and a lot of people dont want to be inmortal and just live a happy life, have children and die. But they cant, so they eliminated reproduction, one of life's objective and people started to get very depressed
@@maximilianomoyano9748 I remember that. The problem is they created the ridiculous and stupid idea of being forced into the system. If two people want to create two people, live a happy life, then die. Let them. The system remains unchanged. The population stays the same in the grand scheme. Make it so that there's no backing out, once you're resigned to that fate it's your fate. The idea works so long as you're not adding conflicts that only exist to create a plotline.
@@carsonhawkins9319 Only the heroes are always right and never wrong. The villains are always wrong and never right. Anything a villain says in these situations will forever be wrong and they'll forever never be right.
And the twisted reality is the solutions like you said is non feasible, Everything is finite, you can't give everyone, everything, and if everyone is inmortal then what happens when the population exceeds the planet's capacity the heroes who has barely lived one generation is trying to justify and lecture those who have lived for more than that? That was the absurdity i realized when i was a kid watching this, i very much realized that society doesn't run on a flat space we're not born equals, and we will never be equals to anyone for society to function some has to be at the bottom
'even if you gave a year to a million people' actually that's optimistic. We don't get any clear data about how many live in this city but its an obvious analogue for LA. The LA region goes in excess of 10 million. We don't know the social structure but obviously there's a few very rich and their helpers and most are poor. So giving 1 million years to say 6 million only means 2 free months. Not exactly a lot if you consider the implied daily cost.
probably only cause disaster, imagine all of the sudden 150 billion on the street with lots of violent types around would disappear in pockets you do not want it to sit in, aka the gangster boss example.. you'd kill 1 wealthy banker that extorts but uses no violence, and turn it into a 100 sadistic and psychopathic mob bosses that can now do whatever they please
It doesn't upset the balance. The rich and powerful just want to live forever and never die even if it means they take everything from the poor and it results in the poor dying. The rich and powerful in this are just wanting to live forever the lives they think they deserve but they really don't deserve to live forever or to have wealth forever if it's at the cost of stealing and taking from the poor. They just don't want to die but they think if anyone is to die, they think the poor should be pushed in front of the lions while they run and the lions are distracted with preying on the person the rich coward pushed in front of the lions but they don't want to do anything but make things worse for the poor while they live it up forever like Gods. So Philippe's words are nothing but lies and bullshit which he used Charles Darwin's philosophy to twist and corrupt it into something that suits, fits and serves his own personal, selfish and greedy needs.
What do you think if you gave 10k people 100mil each, that wouldn't be enough to destroy the economy but will obviously endanger and provide chaos to the 10k
10k with a mil years let's say it doesn't change significantly but what happens if more people gain thise years, what happens to the 10k who has a million and decided they want more? There's always a reason for regulation and like it or not someone needs to stay at the bottom of the barrel, the ending scenario of this movie was a dark one portrayed in a light manner, the timekeepers basically gave up in regulating the economy of time since the borders and people they gave those time to collapsed, they would be happy or content for a while but after that is pure chaos, if everyone has a million or more then how would you dictate the price or value of a commodity, who's to say something is worth as much as it is said so? What happens when the demand outgrows the supply? The very dark future that was hinted in the movie was at the ending scene with he news report. No one was working in the factories and common jobs society collapsed, those dirty jobs or common jobs needs to be run by someone and if you give everyone the option to not do it and leave, who's gonna keep the world running? The movie was great it showed to me as a teen that for some to rise some would need to fall down at the bottom and stay there, everyone can't be at the same level cause doing so means nothing is progressing and civilization grows stagnant
@@katouhasblackairforceenerg1909 in a million years, if man will still exist, I would surely have to modify my brain with technologies and genetics to be able to understand what surrounds me, it would be an ultra transhumanism, I would no longer be me and I prefer to die as a human, if instead I lived with this body and brain I would be less than an insect compared to an advanced civilization, so yes, this life is enough for me, already the current world is growing exponentially technologically, artificial intelligences were science fiction 10 or 15 years ago, now they are in our computers and smartphones , who knows how for example ChatGPT will be evolved in 10 0 20 years
@@katouhasblackairforceenerg1909 how do you know? no one has ever experienced this except for people getting 100+ years old naturally ...and of course they are spend; they did it naturally doing it artificially might circumvent the whole ''getting slow'', maybe you'd even have more strong synaptic connections because you ever more increase your amount of skills everything you do becomes easier and easier; you'd learn new languages in 1/10th of the time, you'd pick up any sport with little effort, your muscle memory would be so insane you'd become stronger over time, all hobbies and professions become natural as you all mastered them one by one there is no limit anymore, you'd be able to explore space, travel to the closest habitable star and start another civilization you could become the most knowledgeable scientist ever as you probably worked with the most renowned ones around centuries ago life would be limitless if you're somewhat decent intelligent and motivated
@@katouhasblackairforceenerg1909 a human brain can hold one quadrillion bytes of data...by the time you reach that point, your intellect will be so vast, you'll be able to do pretty much anything...basically becoming a real life Reed Richards...you could make a perfect world ( he has ) , and trigger humanity's expansion in the universe.
You are aware that the daughter is the good guy right? When is saving millions considered bad? I remember watching static shock as a kid. Strongest words I try to live by. Blood is thicker then water, but right and wrong and thicker then blood.
@Aaron Michael the movie it is also a movie, but it was based off of John Gacy. Pretty crazy dude that works eat parts from kids and would preform necrophilia. Crazy how some movies are based off of real life
@@MrBennieagray No she is a thief and a betrayer making her bad in every way. She saved no one and did no good. You got your beliefs from a silly cartoon no wonder you beliefs make no sense.
Wait.. what does a generation even mean to these people? why would a generation be a standard unit of measurement? Hes been around for a century and hes 25
1 million years is only ~100 years for 10k people, maybe a big amount for a super small population but assuming this is the future for him to say “do you know how many people this can help” seems a bit naive and irrational..
The most fucked part of this moviebis its the rich people who get to live forever not the smartest people and the smartest people arent necessarily the richest
yeah because smart people are usually easily manipulated by the system, rich people understand that money will be he today, tomorrow, and a million years, there are always going to be people willing to buy something, because thats how we are as human
Notice how compelling the arguments are from the "villain," with only quaint emotional platitudes and gunwaving from the "heroes." He's right. There should be hierarchy because there otherwise you get chaos
@gammadion Your words are wrong about this and everything else. Sorry, I disagree. The villains are never right, they're always wrong. Only the heroes are always right and never wrong.
@@brocksampson3405Villain is often a matter of perspective. Empires slay and build, geniuses create and destroy, soldiers liberate and annihilate. One man’s great scientific researcher is another man’s target of loathing. Was Brutus a hero or a villain? Killing Caesar ended a dictator but also spawned the empire. Absolutes in heroism and villainy are oft the plaything of idealized fiction and not of reality
@@TheGreatDearLeaderJimPickens Just because a villain has a perspective. Doesn't make their actions or views right. An Empire may end up slaying and building but that still doesn't make their wrongful actions right. A genius may create and destroy but not all geniuses do that, the ones that do, doesn't make their actions right. Soldiers may liberate or annihilate or both but for one, not all soldiers do that but for the ones that do, still doesn't make their actions right. Even if a scientist or researcher does great things for humanity and the people around them. Some of them actually do good but if someone wants to exploit their talents, minds, their knowledge or their experiments. The one doing the exploitation of that doesn't make their actions right. Which Brutus? I don't know which Brutus. As for Caesar, do you mean Julius Caeser or a different Caeser? But still, only heroes are always right. Villains are never right.
@@brocksampson3405 To a hardworking, good man who serves an empire as a medic, a villain is the rebel who fights it. To the rebel, the medic saves what the medic views as villains. Absolutes do not work in reality. Who are you to say who is the real villain?
There is no difference that's exactly the fcking point of the movie replace economic collapse to a societal collapse, basically the truth that the two mc refuses to see is in order for society to function there should be those at the bottom to drive it forward cause what happens when no one does the hard jobs or common jobs as peeople may say? Society stops functioning
As much as I like this movie it makes no sense. Why cannot they all just live indefinitely? If the problem is overpopulation then restrictions on having children could be a better solution. Especially since it's not as though they are immortal (they can die by accident, crime or suicide) so people could still have some children to replace those who died. In such a society because all would live long life they would over the years get crazy job experience knowledge and skills, leading to advancement and scientific progress. Because of this the system with people running out of time must be uneconomical and so cannot viable in the long term. I.e there is incentive for everyone to abolish the system in the movie. The workers won't die and the rich people can get even richer by having more productive workers. And there is no autocratic regime to enforce this system. The conclusion is in reality it would fall within days.
Everyone's missing the point. It's not up to you to decide another person's future for them. It not up to ANYONE but them. There is no moral debate about numbers here....if one person wants to live longer, and the other person chooses to give their life for it then sure. No coercion, no deal that presses them into it that someone can say "well technically they decided" or any such bs. No one chooses for someone else, it's not their choice to make.
@@mistermonologue2442that point is valid but the rich guy's point is even more so as he has lived through more generations and have seen what the system is, what they did broke it, made an economic and societal collapse, the ending scenario is full chaos and anarchy time becomes valueless because of it's abundance, resources are no longer processed or produce cause no one wants to work at thw factories or fields, where does it lead? Greed, war, and ultimately people dying regardless just like will's bestfriend when he gave him thwt much time or money. Let's put it in your point about no one should die or have their future be dictated for them, very well if that is what you want then what happens when you bave an immortal population who endlessly reproduce? Docyou just tell them to stop? Do you just start killing people?: What about will's bestfriend who blew all his time to drink and die on a ditch? How many more are like those? They're wasted space, qasted resources, and wasted potential. The point of the rich guy and the timekeepers is, Order and life goes hand in hand if one goes overboard then the other goes to sht, there has to be a system, a balance, however the truth to that ordee and stability is that some people stay at the bottom
@Edwxrd69 I tell you, nothing is boundless. Nothing is infinite. Not God, not us, not the universe. Everything has limits. I have yet to meet a man that can see this. I must be Diogenes
Give a dollar to a million people and what good will it do? Everybody gets a cheap candy from the store. Congratulations. One man with a million can feed ten thousand. It's not so simple. For no one to be rich means for everyone to be poor. For one to be immortal many must die. It isn't fair, but it's evolution baby. I like this movie a lot, even though I didn't understand the themes when I was younger. But that line, to me, sounds a lot like communism. I know, with the life I live now, which isn't much, but is grand in the scheme of history, that only because of the gross wealth inequality we see today, its only because of this, that we live in such excess in the modern world
Give a dollar to a million people and you just get inflation. A lot of people don't understand that its not like dividing up a pizza, where there's a fix amount of pizza and its just about deciding how many slices each person gets. Productive people make more pizza, unproductive people consume more pizza than they make. This is why communist countries are so horrifically impoverished, and even communist China's economy exploded when they opened up to capitalism. Capitalism produces more pizza, EVERYONE gets more, but the most productive people are allowed to keep more of the pizza they produce, encouraging more pizza to be made. When you divorce contribution from consumption, no one feels like putting in the effort to make pizza. If you removed the top half most productive people in the country, the bottom half would NOT get more pizza, they would go starving. If you removed the bottom half least productive people, the top half would get MORE pizza. Its about making pizza, not dividing up the pizza.
This movie is a fascinating story. But a Ludicrous and naïve critique 😂. I don’t even understand what they’re trying to do. Yeah WITHIN the world, people now live longer. But as a real world parallel… this makes no sense
Thry always make the poor people in the slums out to hard working upstanding citizens just trying to get through life when most in the slums dont work, leach off welfair, abandond their children. Back 100 years ago the low income neiborhoods were like this but not anymore. Comparing the hardworking men and women eho stood in line for work during the depression to the lazy inner city jerks of today is a insult to those who worked hard to provide what little they could for their familys instead of blowing welfare checks on stupid garbage living in a home that is payed for by the tax payers and destroying it because you have no respect for somthing you didnt earn.
yeah well duh its a lot of propaganda, in order to make many poor people feel good about themselves, yeah I remember living in poor conditions, this whole they are oppressed thing is kinda bullshit and doesn't all of the reality of human beings, many rich people are far more nicer and hard working human beings because they are trying to keep society afloat, they get demonized because of the few who do wrong, and the people are the bottom get so carried away with politics and propaganda, giving themselves this false sense of holier than thou, not realizing they have very evangelicals radical mindsets, but god forbid you told them that they would burn you. The older you get, and the more you learn about psychology the more you understand how f-ed up people are
@David Jones yea I'm so ignorant, why don't you go into the inner city and see how it is. My grand father was poor and lived in a small polish community I. Cleveland. As the homes filled with blacks the entire community turned from homes that were small but taken care of to a war zone. Homes getting broken Into having the wire stolen out of the walls a murder happened 3 doors down from him. The shops were all covered in graffiti. Ide say 60% of black people have no respect for other people's lives or belongings. They are entitled say that the reason they live in such bad conditions is the white man. Those people destroyed a entire community in just 10 years. You are the one that is ignorant pretending that black culture has nothing to do with thehellish nightmare every single blackmajority neiborhood in the country has become. Prove me wrong tell me one place black people have made better just one
You got to read between the lines no one of you is not going to be immortal because it's not written for you to be immortal don't try to flip the switch I forgot you going to flip the switch and still going to lose
@@feellliixand you'll settle for communidm? Democracy breeds capitalism Communism breeds democracy to an extent when the community grows to an extent and just citcles back to being capitalism, communism will Stagnant a society's progress communism is abused by a select few that just circles back around to hierarchy so the bad guy was right the system needed to be incheck to prevent a collapse and guess what at the end of the movie society and the economy collapsed lmao
Imagine a movie where someone actually chooses a random code for a safe and memorizes it as the safe holds something important
All humans are sentimental by nature.
I think it's quite fitting for the movie cause he lives in his bubble. He never expected anyone to rob him
Tbf it's realistic. 80% of codes people use is something personal.
Now that being said most people also aren't stash a million dollars in a safe.
@@nathaniels9141one of the other comments said this million years of time is worth more like 622 billion, if you’re doing dollars
@@Eljacob0 He did the math wrong, it was only arounf 150 billion.
“For a few to be immortal many must die.” Is a perfect reference to real life which is “For a few to be the richest and most powerful many must suffer.”
Zero sum game
That's not how capitalism works. You've been fooled.
People are breeding humanity into extinction. That's why the systems going to shit it hasn't little to do with capitalism or communism, no it's much more straightforward.
i calculated the amount 1 million years would be, by taking the average price for coffee in the real world (i used 1,20$) and the price in the movie (4 minutes). So he would have approximately 622 Billion USD.... oh and an additional 80 million
which isnt anywhere near close to the amount of money you need to upset a system like the usa government. and will can't rob banks from other companies because slyvia doesn't know the codes to those banks like she knows the one's from her father.
@@animejerk05 i never said that bro... did you read my comment ?
That’s inflated
No amount of money will upset the system, they print the dam thing.
but the coffee in the most expensive region in this movie can cost weeks. So not that rich
Such an underrated movie
you might upset the balance for 1 generation..."thinks about all the damage they've done" ..2...
lol the comedic pause there was perfect XD
entirely depends how you'd use that money.. but giving it to random poor people is a good way of creating a great short amount of time of people fucking their stuff up even more while squandering their cash
it would end up in some already rich guys pocket, the thug boss sorta figure, exponentially increasing the problems, leading to an even more immortal super powerful leader.. pretty much narco state mexico or political mafia of the highest level, like russia or italy
only way to make this money count is creating free education, improving work conditions, creating opportunities so you can get these people out of poverty and into a happy functioning life.. something the rich have 0 benefits or interest in
Lol
So he's just conviently forgotten how he tried helping his bestfriend, by giving him some yrs, and that fucker pissed it allaway and drank himself to death
ya, that was really on that dude himself.. don't get why his gf was angry
like the bro just straight ditched his family and went drinking, least he could've done is get one of those storage devices and put 9 years on that, basically setting up his family for forseeable future
plus anyone seeing the guy carrying what's supposedly half a million or whatever would mean a certain death sentence
He saw his best friend ded because of the "time" or money he gave and he still thinks the system is bad? Flawed for sure but bad? This just seperates people who have the capacity to actually change the world from drunkards like his bestfriend he was irresponsible and incompetent, if majority of the world is like that why should we give the same amount of authority or power to everyone? Last i checked communism always fail one way or another, or it becomes too big it becomes a democracy or a hierarchy, we have to accept that everyone can't be on the same footing nor everyone should be at the same level, darwinism is right about one thing those that di not have the capacity to adapt shouldn't exist or will not exist in the oong run
Lucky to be born rich or lucky to be born
This is a classic. I really enjoyed this movie. A unique plot. 5 star performance by the cast.
It's odd he would still have the physical mannerisms of an old man.
Why. When most physical mannerisms are a product of the aging body. More economical movements to save energy. Or lazy movements at the risk of injury. Think picking up a box. You get worse at it with age. Due to two factors. Loss of motion and laziness.
@CloudIncus he hasn't aged, why would his joints age? He looks younger than Justin in this movie. The 103 yrar old guy who committed suicide at the beginning of the movie didn't move like that.
@@drg8687 Ok now you are confusing me. You are the one who said he should have the movements of a elderly man. Mannerisms are movements. Are tied to them. Two things effect mannerisms. Social effects and body. He wouldnt gain mannerisms of a elderly person. Only the slow movements of the social area.
@CloudIncus no, I said it's odd that he had the mannerism of an old man. Old people don't walk and move the way they do because they get old, it's because their bodies break down. There's no logic behind the movements as they are a result of body degradation, which he does not have.
He was 100% right.
Agreed but the poor would never understand nor would they have the capacity to look at the bigger picture when they have their day to day as a means to survive,
@@Mezha07Regardless, Humanity is not meant to live forever. You will definitely lose your sanity.
@@davidortiz3094Weather you live rich or poor the end result is still the same. You go to the grave. So why shouldn’t the rich people help the poor once to live better lives.
@@Lone_Wolf91 They should. They are. That's what their companies do. They made products and services that made everyone's life better. And if you are just talking about philanthroby they are doing that too.
@@btc1668 No rich people are helping me or anyone I know.
His speech definitely has some truth to it. Sure the million years could help people in the lower zones, but as it does they will aspire to have greater lives; to have more time. Greed will fill them and they will find anyway to fulfill those desires. It's human nature. 70%+ of lottery winners go bankrupt. The same people who managed to live with credit card debit and paycheck to paycheck without going insolvent somehow go bankrupt after winning millions. A perfect example is given in this film with his friend who dies of alcohol poisoning when given to much time. This movie really is great isn't it?
Lottery winners go bankrupt because they have no experience to handle that much money. Instead of using it to actually get more money out of it, they just spend all of it in a short amount of time. They dont have the disciplin of the people who made that amount of money on their own, who actually followed the reasoning of using money to make more money. Of course the speech has truth to it, we are seeing the truth right now in the world as well. Of course the west makes enough food that could be given to the less fortunate instead of throwing it into the garbage at the end of the day, but elevating the less fortunate to the same level as the west, purely by the help of the west, would lead to an economical disaster for both.
Lottery is not comparable to what would essentially be a UBI.
@TheDizeazedKiller thank you. It's like saying. People shouldn't be given the opportunity to make choices because they can't handle it
Interesting enough. This is seen in the real world. The wealthy have actually said that the poor will get greedy, so we have to protect them from themselves. FDR actually put that experiment to the test. He put a 96% tax on the wealthy and forced redistribute of wealth and proved that giving the people the opportunity to be self-reliant won't make them greedy. In fact, it actually became known as the American dream. The rich fat cats got made because they were proven wrong.
@rayzala1393 Your words are wrong and prove to be lies. The people in the lower zones will not get greedy if they get more time like a year or even one hundred years or more. Greed will not fill them and they will not try to fulfill it. It's not human nature. Anyone who says that is some rich devil whose greedy, selfish, and a massive lying hypocrite. Lottery winners don't do bankrupt. That's BS that greedy and selfish rich people say to make a racist remark towards the poor and is just a massive insult that holds no water. The people who managed to live with credit card debt and paycheck to paycheck without going insolvent don't go bankrupt after winning millions. Your words and philosophy are proven wrong and the friend of his wouldn't die of alcohol poisoning if he had more time like one to ten years or even one hundred years of time. Lottery is not comparable to what would essentially be a UBI. You've been proven wrong like Phillippe.
@@TheDizeazedKiller UBI that would run out. It's the same concept. What happens to these people who get used to UBI when it runs out? A million years can change a few people's lives forever. But what can a million years do for millions of people? We never get a real number for how many people are in the lower zones but from what we've seen they live in urban areas with crowds. Not some small town with 500 people in it. That time would be gone in a year if not two.
the math doesnt math in this movie😂
It's a movie that could've used some better writing
@kophullloh516 he made lots of interesting movies
1 Million years would be $136.314 trillion in todays money, Here’s my very rough estimate.
Lets start by using the scene where the main guy gets a cup of joe and it costs 4 minutes. If we compare this to the average cost of a cup of coffee today, which is around $4.90, we can estimate that 1 minute is worth about $1.23. This is calculated by dividing the cost of the coffee by the time it costs in the movie ($4.90 / 4 minutes = $1.23 per minute).
But here’s the thing, the movie is set in the future, specifically the year 2169, so we need to adjust for inflation. If we assume that prices rise by an average of 2.5% each year, we can calculate the future cost of a cup of coffee using the formula for future value with inflation:
Future Value = Present Value * (1 + inflation rate) ^ number of years
Plugging in our values, we get:
Future Value = $4.90 * (1 + 0.025) ^ 146 = $1,038
This means that, if the average annual inflation rate were to remain constant at 2.5% from 2023 to 2169, a cup of coffee that costs $4.90 in 2023 could cost around $1,038 in 2169.
With this new cost of a cup of coffee, we can adjust our conversion rate to about $259.50 per minute (since 4 minutes was the cost of a cup of coffee in the movie). This is calculated by dividing the future cost of the coffee by the time it costs in the movie ($1,038 / 4 minutes = $259.50 per minute).
Now, to calculate the value of 1 million years, we first convert years to minutes (1 year = 525,600 minutes), which gives us 525,600,000,000 minutes for 1 million years. Multiplying this by our adjusted conversion rate ($259.50 per minute), we find that 1 million years could be worth approximately $136.314 trillion in today's dollars. This is calculated by multiplying the total minutes by the value per minute (525,600,000,000 minutes * $259.50/minute = $136,314,000,000,000).
Now you just need to undo the inflation to get it equivalent to todays dollars lol
@@spencert94 back to 4.90
How much in today dolars??
I love how everyone is trying to find the value the time equals in these comments. Lmao came for the movie but got a math lesson instead
There's no time for us
There's no place for us
What is this thing that builds our dreams
Yet tips 'em 'way from us
Who wants to live forever?
Who wants to live forever?
There's no chance for us
It's all decided for us
This world has only one sweet moment
Set aside for us
Who wants to live forever?
Who wants to live forever?
Who?
Who dares to love forever? (Oh, whoa!)
When love must die
But touch my tears with your lips
Touch my world with your fingertips
And we can have forever
And we can love forever
Forever is our today
Who wants to live forever?
Who wants to live forever?
Forever is our today
Who waits forever anyway?
I want a Sequel 🥃🔥
Yeah... Pete Campbell, you've lived enough.
When I was under ten and heard about this movie it creeped the hell out of me
Life is about lessons. Free will. Choices. Immortality? It is a curse. No way you keep your sanity.
Neither of them are wrong.
"Everyone wants to live forever... For a few to be immortal many more must die."
"No one should be immortal if even one person has to die."
The villain is right. Everyone wants to be the exception. Everyone is the hero of their own story. You can't just expect people to accept defeat. To concede to a life they view as inferior to what the could have. There are always going to be people willing to kill or die to achieve the life they believe they deserve.
The hero is right. No one should have that power if the cost is the suffering of others. Everyone should get the same equitable chance at life and happiness as everyone else. There shouldn't be exploitation for the sole benefit of an elite upper class. Lives shouldn't be devalued to a value of pennies on the dollar.
What's the solution?
1. Unlimited resources. Assuming you could exist in a world with unlimited land and resources, it's possible for everyone to be immortal without restriction.
2. Population restriction. Assuming you don't have access to unlimited space for growth and resources to support it, you have to stop reproducing so that your immortal population won't strain the available resources.
Both of these options allows both the villain and the hero to achieve their ideals. You'd think population restriction would be pretty simple. Guess not.
Thats actually the solution on an episode on Death Loves and Robots.
The thing is. Ilegall procreation is a death penalty and a lot of people dont want to be inmortal and just live a happy life, have children and die. But they cant, so they eliminated reproduction, one of life's objective and people started to get very depressed
@@maximilianomoyano9748 I remember that. The problem is they created the ridiculous and stupid idea of being forced into the system. If two people want to create two people, live a happy life, then die. Let them. The system remains unchanged. The population stays the same in the grand scheme. Make it so that there's no backing out, once you're resigned to that fate it's your fate.
The idea works so long as you're not adding conflicts that only exist to create a plotline.
@@carsonhawkins9319 Only the heroes are always right and never wrong. The villains are always wrong and never right. Anything a villain says in these situations will forever be wrong and they'll forever never be right.
And the twisted reality is the solutions like you said is non feasible, Everything is finite, you can't give everyone, everything, and if everyone is inmortal then what happens when the population exceeds the planet's capacity the heroes who has barely lived one generation is trying to justify and lecture those who have lived for more than that? That was the absurdity i realized when i was a kid watching this, i very much realized that society doesn't run on a flat space we're not born equals, and we will never be equals to anyone for society to function some has to be at the bottom
Was this a sequel ? If so how did I not know they made one. Cause I don’t remember any of the scenes.
This is a great movie despite Justin Timberlake
'even if you gave a year to a million people' actually that's optimistic. We don't get any clear data about how many live in this city but its an obvious analogue for LA. The LA region goes in excess of 10 million. We don't know the social structure but obviously there's a few very rich and their helpers and most are poor. So giving 1 million years to say 6 million only means 2 free months. Not exactly a lot if you consider the implied daily cost.
Most of the poorer people they give the free years to will just waste the time. It’s the same as most big lottery winners going broke.
A million years would give 10,000 people and extra 100 years, hows that upsetting the balance lol.
probably only cause disaster, imagine all of the sudden 150 billion on the street with lots of violent types around
would disappear in pockets you do not want it to sit in, aka the gangster boss example.. you'd kill 1 wealthy banker that extorts but uses no violence, and turn it into a 100 sadistic and psychopathic mob bosses that can now do whatever they please
It doesn't upset the balance. The rich and powerful just want to live forever and never die even if it means they take everything from the poor and it results in the poor dying. The rich and powerful in this are just wanting to live forever the lives they think they deserve but they really don't deserve to live forever or to have wealth forever if it's at the cost of stealing and taking from the poor. They just don't want to die but they think if anyone is to die, they think the poor should be pushed in front of the lions while they run and the lions are distracted with preying on the person the rich coward pushed in front of the lions but they don't want to do anything but make things worse for the poor while they live it up forever like Gods. So Philippe's words are nothing but lies and bullshit which he used Charles Darwin's philosophy to twist and corrupt it into something that suits, fits and serves his own personal, selfish and greedy needs.
@billyparker1803 True, I didn't consider that, and based on what we know from the film, the populations don't seem too high.
What do you think if you gave 10k people 100mil each, that wouldn't be enough to destroy the economy but will obviously endanger and provide chaos to the 10k
10k with a mil years let's say it doesn't change significantly but what happens if more people gain thise years, what happens to the 10k who has a million and decided they want more? There's always a reason for regulation and like it or not someone needs to stay at the bottom of the barrel, the ending scenario of this movie was a dark one portrayed in a light manner, the timekeepers basically gave up in regulating the economy of time since the borders and people they gave those time to collapsed, they would be happy or content for a while but after that is pure chaos, if everyone has a million or more then how would you dictate the price or value of a commodity, who's to say something is worth as much as it is said so? What happens when the demand outgrows the supply? The very dark future that was hinted in the movie was at the ending scene with he news report. No one was working in the factories and common jobs society collapsed, those dirty jobs or common jobs needs to be run by someone and if you give everyone the option to not do it and leave, who's gonna keep the world running? The movie was great it showed to me as a teen that for some to rise some would need to fall down at the bottom and stay there, everyone can't be at the same level cause doing so means nothing is progressing and civilization grows stagnant
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I really liked this movie about a dystopian future, but living a million years is too boring
How is living a million years boring when you can see all the technological progress. You can see and live through different generations.
@hjtjl honestly the human brain isn't meant to process all that, your mind will eventually be spent. We are not meant to live forever.
@@katouhasblackairforceenerg1909 in a million years, if man will still exist, I would surely have to modify my brain with technologies and genetics to be able to understand what surrounds me, it would be an ultra transhumanism, I would no longer be me and I prefer to die as a human, if instead I lived with this body and brain I would be less than an insect compared to an advanced civilization, so yes, this life is enough for me, already the current world is growing exponentially technologically, artificial intelligences were science fiction 10 or 15 years ago, now they are in our computers and smartphones , who knows how for example ChatGPT will be evolved in 10 0 20 years
@@katouhasblackairforceenerg1909 how do you know? no one has ever experienced this except for people getting 100+ years old naturally ...and of course they are spend; they did it naturally
doing it artificially might circumvent the whole ''getting slow'', maybe you'd even have more strong synaptic connections because you ever more increase your amount of skills
everything you do becomes easier and easier; you'd learn new languages in 1/10th of the time, you'd pick up any sport with little effort, your muscle memory would be so insane you'd become stronger over time, all hobbies and professions become natural as you all mastered them one by one
there is no limit anymore, you'd be able to explore space, travel to the closest habitable star and start another civilization
you could become the most knowledgeable scientist ever as you probably worked with the most renowned ones around centuries ago
life would be limitless if you're somewhat decent intelligent and motivated
@@katouhasblackairforceenerg1909 a human brain can hold one quadrillion bytes of data...by the time you reach that point, your intellect will be so vast, you'll be able to do pretty much anything...basically becoming a real life Reed Richards...you could make a perfect world ( he has ) , and trigger humanity's expansion in the universe.
There are three envelopes, labeled 1,2, and 4.
Goes to show you, if you provide and spoil your kids, they just turn on you...Not even Bonnie and Clyde turned on their parents.
You are aware that the daughter is the good guy right? When is saving millions considered bad? I remember watching static shock as a kid. Strongest words I try to live by. Blood is thicker then water, but right and wrong and thicker then blood.
Your English teacher failed you, your grammar is dog faeces
This is a movie lol
@Aaron Michael the movie it is also a movie, but it was based off of John Gacy. Pretty crazy dude that works eat parts from kids and would preform necrophilia. Crazy how some movies are based off of real life
@@MrBennieagray No she is a thief and a betrayer making her bad in every way. She saved no one and did no good. You got your beliefs from a silly cartoon no wonder you beliefs make no sense.
Wait.. what does a generation even mean to these people? why would a generation be a standard unit of measurement? Hes been around for a century and hes 25
Because it's a unit of measurement in real life. He's using the word generation the same way we would.
He also was very thrifty on making babies.
Movie name
I never liked that indigent line about no one dying. Definately gives me Utopia vibes.
Salut salut!
1 million years is only ~100 years for 10k people, maybe a big amount for a super small population but assuming this is the future for him to say “do you know how many people this can help” seems a bit naive and irrational..
I liked this movie. I also dislike JT as an actor. He's really not good.
0:34 you’ve seen how she’s whispering to father? Maybe the crisis was created artificially and rich people have a plan?
The math is wrong, the value of time scales logarithmically
The most fucked part of this moviebis its the rich people who get to live forever not the smartest people and the smartest people arent necessarily the richest
Lol and that's soooo different from the world we live in, of course...
yeah because smart people are usually easily manipulated by the system, rich people understand that money will be he today, tomorrow, and a million years, there are always going to be people willing to buy something, because thats how we are as human
that’s capitalism
That's because the idea of meritocracy is a lie used to justify the economic system we live under.
This is the same set from the bosses office in fun with dick and Jane!
Notice how compelling the arguments are from the "villain," with only quaint emotional platitudes and gunwaving from the "heroes."
He's right. There should be hierarchy because there otherwise you get chaos
"Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!"
@gammadion Your words are wrong about this and everything else. Sorry, I disagree. The villains are never right, they're always wrong. Only the heroes are always right and never wrong.
@@brocksampson3405Villain is often a matter of perspective. Empires slay and build, geniuses create and destroy, soldiers liberate and annihilate. One man’s great scientific researcher is another man’s target of loathing. Was Brutus a hero or a villain? Killing Caesar ended a dictator but also spawned the empire. Absolutes in heroism and villainy are oft the plaything of idealized fiction and not of reality
@@TheGreatDearLeaderJimPickens Just because a villain has a perspective. Doesn't make their actions or views right. An Empire may end up slaying and building but that still doesn't make their wrongful actions right. A genius may create and destroy but not all geniuses do that, the ones that do, doesn't make their actions right. Soldiers may liberate or annihilate or both but for one, not all soldiers do that but for the ones that do, still doesn't make their actions right. Even if a scientist or researcher does great things for humanity and the people around them. Some of them actually do good but if someone wants to exploit their talents, minds, their knowledge or their experiments. The one doing the exploitation of that doesn't make their actions right. Which Brutus? I don't know which Brutus. As for Caesar, do you mean Julius Caeser or a different Caeser? But still, only heroes are always right. Villains are never right.
@@brocksampson3405 To a hardworking, good man who serves an empire as a medic, a villain is the rebel who fights it. To the rebel, the medic saves what the medic views as villains. Absolutes do not work in reality. Who are you to say who is the real villain?
Change the word immortal to rich….then tell me the difference
There is no difference that's exactly the fcking point of the movie replace economic collapse to a societal collapse, basically the truth that the two mc refuses to see is in order for society to function there should be those at the bottom to drive it forward cause what happens when no one does the hard jobs or common jobs as peeople may say? Society stops functioning
As much as I like this movie it makes no sense. Why cannot they all just live indefinitely? If the problem is overpopulation then restrictions on having children could be a better solution. Especially since it's not as though they are immortal (they can die by accident, crime or suicide) so people could still have some children to replace those who died. In such a society because all would live long life they would over the years get crazy job experience knowledge and skills, leading to advancement and scientific progress. Because of this the system with people running out of time must be uneconomical and so cannot viable in the long term. I.e there is incentive for everyone to abolish the system in the movie. The workers won't die and the rich people can get even richer by having more productive workers. And there is no autocratic regime to enforce this system. The conclusion is in reality it would fall within days.
"No one shoudl be immportal if even one person has to die" uhhh, so everyone should die instead?
Yes. Lol it’s how it is in reality
Everyone's missing the point.
It's not up to you to decide another person's future for them. It not up to ANYONE but them. There is no moral debate about numbers here....if one person wants to live longer, and the other person chooses to give their life for it then sure. No coercion, no deal that presses them into it that someone can say "well technically they decided" or any such bs.
No one chooses for someone else, it's not their choice to make.
@@mistermonologue2442that point is valid but the rich guy's point is even more so as he has lived through more generations and have seen what the system is, what they did broke it, made an economic and societal collapse, the ending scenario is full chaos and anarchy time becomes valueless because of it's abundance, resources are no longer processed or produce cause no one wants to work at thw factories or fields, where does it lead? Greed, war, and ultimately people dying regardless just like will's bestfriend when he gave him thwt much time or money.
Let's put it in your point about no one should die or have their future be dictated for them, very well if that is what you want then what happens when you bave an immortal population who endlessly reproduce? Docyou just tell them to stop? Do you just start killing people?:
What about will's bestfriend who blew all his time to drink and die on a ditch? How many more are like those? They're wasted space, qasted resources, and wasted potential.
The point of the rich guy and the timekeepers is, Order and life goes hand in hand if one goes overboard then the other goes to sht, there has to be a system, a balance, however the truth to that ordee and stability is that some people stay at the bottom
We are immortal. Or bodies are a different story.
Our* Bramacharya and intense sadhana are the way to realize infinite power knowledge ecstasy boundless expansion and immortality
@@Edwxrd69 nothing is boundless, everything has limits
@@SteveTheGhazaRooster the most subtle is boundless
@Edwxrd69 I tell you, nothing is boundless. Nothing is infinite. Not God, not us, not the universe. Everything has limits. I have yet to meet a man that can see this. I must be Diogenes
Aka not immortal lol
Hey, that's Richard Harrow!
Is it? 😮
@@macleunin I thought it was but it isn't lol, their voices sounded similar .
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Give a dollar to a million people and what good will it do? Everybody gets a cheap candy from the store. Congratulations. One man with a million can feed ten thousand. It's not so simple. For no one to be rich means for everyone to be poor. For one to be immortal many must die. It isn't fair, but it's evolution baby. I like this movie a lot, even though I didn't understand the themes when I was younger. But that line, to me, sounds a lot like communism. I know, with the life I live now, which isn't much, but is grand in the scheme of history, that only because of the gross wealth inequality we see today, its only because of this, that we live in such excess in the modern world
Give a dollar to a million people and you just get inflation. A lot of people don't understand that its not like dividing up a pizza, where there's a fix amount of pizza and its just about deciding how many slices each person gets. Productive people make more pizza, unproductive people consume more pizza than they make. This is why communist countries are so horrifically impoverished, and even communist China's economy exploded when they opened up to capitalism. Capitalism produces more pizza, EVERYONE gets more, but the most productive people are allowed to keep more of the pizza they produce, encouraging more pizza to be made. When you divorce contribution from consumption, no one feels like putting in the effort to make pizza. If you removed the top half most productive people in the country, the bottom half would NOT get more pizza, they would go starving. If you removed the bottom half least productive people, the top half would get MORE pizza. Its about making pizza, not dividing up the pizza.
Sounds a lot like capitalism to me
@onehellofameme6166 still better than a one way trip to the gulag
@@onehellofameme6166 an sorry, it's the response his daughter gives that sounded like communism, I wasn't very clear on that
@@onehellofameme6166 I hate capitalism and communism. Both suck and there are other options which we aren't allowed to try.
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The dialogue in this movie sucks
This movie is a fascinating story. But a Ludicrous and naïve critique 😂. I don’t even understand what they’re trying to do. Yeah WITHIN the world, people now live longer. But as a real world parallel… this makes no sense
Thry always make the poor people in the slums out to hard working upstanding citizens just trying to get through life when most in the slums dont work, leach off welfair, abandond their children. Back 100 years ago the low income neiborhoods were like this but not anymore. Comparing the hardworking men and women eho stood in line for work during the depression to the lazy inner city jerks of today is a insult to those who worked hard to provide what little they could for their familys instead of blowing welfare checks on stupid garbage living in a home that is payed for by the tax payers and destroying it because you have no respect for somthing you didnt earn.
yeah well duh its a lot of propaganda, in order to make many poor people feel good about themselves, yeah I remember living in poor conditions, this whole they are oppressed thing is kinda bullshit and doesn't all of the reality of human beings, many rich people are far more nicer and hard working human beings because they are trying to keep society afloat, they get demonized because of the few who do wrong, and the people are the bottom get so carried away with politics and propaganda, giving themselves this false sense of holier than thou, not realizing they have very evangelicals radical mindsets, but god forbid you told them that they would burn you. The older you get, and the more you learn about psychology the more you understand how f-ed up people are
No no no you can't say that, that'd be racist towards basketball Americans 😧😧
Those who are ignorant have a lot to say.
@David Jones yea I'm so ignorant, why don't you go into the inner city and see how it is. My grand father was poor and lived in a small polish community I. Cleveland. As the homes filled with blacks the entire community turned from homes that were small but taken care of to a war zone. Homes getting broken Into having the wire stolen out of the walls a murder happened 3 doors down from him. The shops were all covered in graffiti. Ide say 60% of black people have no respect for other people's lives or belongings. They are entitled say that the reason they live in such bad conditions is the white man. Those people destroyed a entire community in just 10 years. You are the one that is ignorant pretending that black culture has nothing to do with thehellish nightmare every single blackmajority neiborhood in the country has become. Prove me wrong tell me one place black people have made better just one
You're exactly right.
You got to read between the lines no one of you is not going to be immortal because it's not written for you to be immortal don't try to flip the switch I forgot you going to flip the switch and still going to lose
Uh… the bad guy is absolutely correct.
capitalist detected
@@feellliixand you'll settle for communidm?
Democracy breeds capitalism
Communism breeds democracy to an extent when the community grows to an extent and just citcles back to being capitalism, communism will Stagnant a society's progress communism is abused by a select few that just circles back around to hierarchy so the bad guy was right the system needed to be incheck to prevent a collapse and guess what at the end of the movie society and the economy collapsed lmao