In 21 I bought my wife an Outback for her birthday gift. I was tired of us having to park her old Camry 3-4 months every winter. She would drive my old Rav 4WD and I’d drive our 4WD pickup. We’re 5 miles from town up on our mountain where we get 5-7 feet of snow. Her Camry was very reliable but after 18 years of driving it and then her having to use my car it kinda made sense to buy her an Outback. We LOVE the traction both on a mild off road trips that a year later in 22 I bought a Forester Touring for myself. We sold my Rav but donated the Camry to the church for a single mom who desperately needed a car. We never take our Subie’s off road for “4 wheeling”, but they’re great on logging and forest roads.
I've got the same car, a 2022 OBW, the only mods I made are a bronze highlight delete on the exterior (kept the badge tho), and I have 245 Falken Trail AT's on Motegi 7,5X17 Rally Wheels, which gives me a half inch more clearance on paper, but in reality is is probably closer to 3/4 " because the Falkens tend to sag less than the Stock Tires as well as being taller. Any way you slice it I have over 10" clearance, which isn't much for trails like these, but better than stock and it's TRUE clearance, no Pumpkins etc. I do have the Subaru Recommended Skid Plates, self installed from front to back, and although people say they are inferior, I think they are misunderstood. This is a Unibody Frame. I don't want a super hard Plate hammering up into my frame and suspension. I want deformable energy absorbing tech, which is what the recommended plates do. They are designed to deflect and deform, much like modern bumpers vs those in the 60's. This is widely misunderstood, and People who bragg about super hard hits on their aftermarket plates with no damage, might want to look at the deformation of what they are mounted to, because unlike a Body on rails truck or jeep, you wouldn't want to jack up a car with a unibody skid plate. Just sayin. Anyhow, I digress. Great video. It would be fun to try some of that, but I mostly just explore without getting too technical. So far I've only needed Xmode a few times. I love my Rig. I keep it light, with minimal camping gear, a tow hitch that can be mounted in my factory receiver, hi flow air compressor, soft shackles and dynamic tow rope. All of which is mostly insurance that I haven't yet needed. I've been on super soft dry hot sand, snow, and mud, and only got stuck once, and Xmode and a skid plate got me out in less than 5 minutes. I probably didn't need the skid plate, but I didn't want to take the chance of digging down in sand. The Xmode didn't let it slip at all, I had been in normal mode for most of my sand experience, and it was fine for most of it, until I had to do a hard stop, self sticking myself. Cheers. Yeah Subbies. And all the other cool vehicles and brands on this video. Databyter
Came for the Sube. Stayed for the Porsche. Btw the Wildy has a HTTR690. Not 580. I only point this out because seeing them both side by side I don't think they share any parts.
It was a typo. I created a pinned post. The SJ FXT and OBW both gave the TR690HT and there is no such thing as a TR580HT (although, that would be pretty cool!)
and yea that locker slide is something interesting, I also found out after I installed the rear locker, maybe in some scenarios, it's better to not lock and just let atrac does the work?
That’s one thing we learned from our “Trail Sensei” Nori. Where you don’t want to slide (like off a cliff in Moab), don’t use the locker. In some cases, momentum will be a better option.
Wonderful, handled with the grace and stature of a drunk penguin. I’ve never seen so many cars that shouldn’t be doing something they are doing somewhere they shouldn’t be.
Jason, when we did the oriflamme canyon trail with your OBW, it was hard for me to gauge because you have such a “driver mod” 😂. This obstacle was much different.
That xterra was impressive. Went through it like it was locked. I have a second Gen cayenne diesel and love it for road trips and rough roads. I think the first gen would definitely be better in high tourque situations with the low range i just wish they had a diesel for range and mileage. Been looking at touaregs because they did have a diesel. If there was a way to put the old transfer case on the second gen I think it would be the best having the 8 speed trans and better traction control.
For the size of the engine in an 2nd gen Xterra it’s kinda of a torque monster. 4.0 v6 265hp and 285 torque. Less hp than a 4Runner but more torque and when it comes to price they’re worlds apart.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring you would know! I have to say I’m surprised at what “car based” crossovers can accomplish these days. I also never knew a passport could be so capable.
Source? Subaru incorrectly called their brake vectoring an “E-LSD” for a while. Not sure if they still do. Some versions of the older outbacks had a mechanical LSD with no brake vectoring, but the LSD would wear out and act as an open differential.
I tried finding out what is the crawl ratio for a Honda CR-V 2008 i-CTDi 2.2l diesel, but can’t seem to find this info. Is there a way to calculate the crawl ratio?
A bigger subframe drop will fix that. Too many Subues are modded out to get a 2” lift, and not enough with a 4” lift with 2” subframe drop. With that said though, Abe’s OBW wilderness was totally stock and he got through the trail and back at camp like a trooper!
OBW and the Forester Wilderness are very good choices for serious off roading. Both our OBW and Forester are not the Wilderness trim, as we needed vehicles with superior traction. We get 5-7 feet of snow up on our mountain every winter. Our road is private so we have to plow and maintain it ourselves. When chainsaw are required to travel over the mountain passes between us and Seattle, the State Police will always allow Subaru’s to travel with just snow tires and chains are optional. During snow storms if we have to go into the city (25 miles away), the Subaru’s are mostly in the fast lane going around 45-55mph while all of the FWD and other AWD and 4WD vehicles are in the slow lane driving around 30-35mph. We have only seen 1 Subie in the ditch (it was a 17 year old boy driving). We pulled over and picked him up and drove him to his house. Every other time the vehicles in the ditch or spun out are Not Subaru’s. Whenever we have to drive to the family ranch in Montana (12 hours away), people with Subaru’s are confident in their vehicles. When ours wear out, we’ll replace them with another Subaru
Nice. I really enjoyed sitting in the OWB at the dealership@@Doc1855 . Right now the choices are OWB, Taco Off-Road w/6 ft bed, or a 4Runner Off-Road. It'll be for forest roads and high clearance vehicle roads in Northern NM, and Colorado. So snow and and challenging terrain will always be a concern. And I need something to be able to sleep in at low temps and high winds. I know just about every other person in the southern rockies has a Subaru, very popular for mountain driving.
I’m not totally sure, but there’s height and also width to worry about. It’s a good obstacle because it forces the driver to use a max amount of momentum. My guess is that the dead center is about 90” tall, but it’s an uphill obstacle and it tapers to the center.
Are you using the empty spare tire space for something? I get the appeal for a swing arm spare on the crosstrek given it doesnt come with a full size spare. Adding the swing arm just seems like added weight, so your insight is appreciated!
yeah, in the spare wheel well i have permanently mounted a 100Ah lifepo4 battery, 30A dc-dc charger, 1000W inverter, fuse panel, and two radios (gmrs and ham). i have all my tools/recovery gear in there as well.
The second gent x-mode in low drive selection does well on the non wilderness as well. I think people try and shove too much tire on these which is going to impact the cvt performance by over torquing the trans.
Hey all, I made a typo on the CVT models. For both the SJ Forester XT and Outback wilderness the CVT should be the TR690HT. Whoops!
seeing the 2 Pitbull's in the mine made my day as a dad of 4 pitties. they are the best doggos ever.
In 21 I bought my wife an Outback for her birthday gift.
I was tired of us having to park her old Camry 3-4 months every winter. She would drive my old Rav 4WD and I’d drive our 4WD pickup.
We’re 5 miles from town up on our mountain where we get 5-7 feet of snow.
Her Camry was very reliable but after 18 years of driving it and then her having to use my car it kinda made sense to buy her an Outback.
We LOVE the traction both on a mild off road trips that a year later in 22 I bought a Forester Touring for myself.
We sold my Rav but donated the Camry to the church for a single mom who desperately needed a car.
We never take our Subie’s off road for “4 wheeling”, but they’re great on logging and forest roads.
I've got the same car, a 2022 OBW, the only mods I made are a bronze highlight delete on the exterior (kept the badge tho), and I have 245 Falken Trail AT's on Motegi 7,5X17 Rally Wheels, which gives me a half inch more clearance on paper, but in reality is is probably closer to 3/4 " because the Falkens tend to sag less than the Stock Tires as well as being taller.
Any way you slice it I have over 10" clearance, which isn't much for trails like these, but better than stock and it's TRUE clearance, no Pumpkins etc.
I do have the Subaru Recommended Skid Plates, self installed from front to back, and although people say they are inferior, I think they are misunderstood. This is a Unibody Frame. I don't want a super hard Plate hammering up into my frame and suspension. I want deformable energy absorbing tech, which is what the recommended plates do. They are designed to deflect and deform, much like modern bumpers vs those in the 60's.
This is widely misunderstood, and People who bragg about super hard hits on their aftermarket plates with no damage, might want to look at the deformation of what they are mounted to, because unlike a Body on rails truck or jeep, you wouldn't want to jack up a car with a unibody skid plate. Just sayin.
Anyhow, I digress. Great video. It would be fun to try some of that, but I mostly just explore without getting too technical. So far I've only needed Xmode a few times. I love my Rig. I keep it light, with minimal camping gear, a tow hitch that can be mounted in my factory receiver, hi flow air compressor, soft shackles and dynamic tow rope.
All of which is mostly insurance that I haven't yet needed. I've been on super soft dry hot sand, snow, and mud, and only got stuck once, and Xmode and a skid plate got me out in less than 5 minutes. I probably didn't need the skid plate, but I didn't want to take the chance of digging down in sand. The Xmode didn't let it slip at all, I had been in normal mode for most of my sand experience, and it was fine for most of it, until I had to do a hard stop, self sticking myself.
Cheers. Yeah Subbies. And all the other cool vehicles and brands on this video.
Databyter
Came for the Sube. Stayed for the Porsche.
Btw the Wildy has a HTTR690. Not 580. I only point this out because seeing them both side by side I don't think they share any parts.
It was a typo. I created a pinned post. The SJ FXT and OBW both gave the TR690HT and there is no such thing as a TR580HT (although, that would be pretty cool!)
Great video like always. More Nissan Xterra content would be awesome though.
and yea that locker slide is something interesting, I also found out after I installed the rear locker, maybe in some scenarios, it's better to not lock and just let atrac does the work?
That’s one thing we learned from our “Trail Sensei” Nori. Where you don’t want to slide (like off a cliff in Moab), don’t use the locker. In some cases, momentum will be a better option.
as always, awesome content🤙🏼 goodjob jon!
Thanks John P!
Awesome Video Bro......Many Thanks.
You need to test a stock Forester Wilderness. Just got mine two weeks ago!
Glad you didn't die at the end!
That's a beauty to see just basic 4WD + Atrac work. Why I never wanna go back to AWD world.
Wonderful, handled with the grace and stature of a drunk penguin. I’ve never seen so many cars that shouldn’t be doing something they are doing somewhere they shouldn’t be.
Jeeps arent meant for highways and malls yet they spend 90% of the time exactly there.
It is about the adventure and let's see if we can.
yeah, we're lucky we all made it out alive!
The Wilderness OBW is a beast man. Im super impressed with it. 40k miles on mine now
How is it in the rain, on pavement?
Jason, when we did the oriflamme canyon trail with your OBW, it was hard for me to gauge because you have such a “driver mod” 😂. This obstacle was much different.
@@woodjunkjrjr2689 sticks like glue
@JonDZ_Adventuring yeah, it's funny, I was reading some comments on that one today and man did I have some haters lol
@@iluvdrt8776 Just need bullet proof glass and a tear gas turrent, and I can drive it in Seattle.
Was very interesting to see
I was genuinely intrigued when it just drove right up.
That xterra was impressive. Went through it like it was locked. I have a second Gen cayenne diesel and love it for road trips and rough roads. I think the first gen would definitely be better in high tourque situations with the low range i just wish they had a diesel for range and mileage. Been looking at touaregs because they did have a diesel. If there was a way to put the old transfer case on the second gen I think it would be the best having the 8 speed trans and better traction control.
For the size of the engine in an 2nd gen Xterra it’s kinda of a torque monster. 4.0 v6 265hp and 285 torque. Less hp than a 4Runner but more torque and when it comes to price they’re worlds apart.
That was Definitely a Pro4x Xterra. They come with a rear locker. I'm sure that helped
Good times 👍
That was a good trip, especially the target practice afterwards. We did more during the Death Valley trip. Very good day doing drills for me.
Have the specs on that f150? Props to the guy bringing a full size out!
It’s a 2018 XLT FX4 w/ 5.0. Factory skid plates and rear locker. Icon suspension on 35”x17x12.5 Kenda Klevers R/T
You’d probably make it Ernesto. It would be very tight though, totally not worth it 🤣
Sure it made it up, but how much wear and tear did it cause on the CVT?
Man would love to see a forester wilderness try this.
I would imagine it would make it up. If you watched the Sarah N Tuned hill test. the OBW didn't make it up, but the FW did.
@@JonDZ_Adventuringforester W with the outback’s 2.4 T and a manual would be insanely capable. Modern version of the lada niva.
When did the Outback first get the TR580? Earlier models had the TR690 until at least 2023 MY.
Awww crap, did I make a typo?
I made a pinned post about the error
I wanna see the wilderness do the same obstacle with a rear locker
Are the newer CVTs heavier duty?
Same model CVT, but with improvements and updated programming
@@JonDZ_Adventuring hmm interesting. They do seem to drive better compared to the older ones.
The capability difference is quite substantial, but it appears that it also has a lot to do with how the traction control system is more aggressive.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring you would know! I have to say I’m surprised at what “car based” crossovers can accomplish these days. I also never knew a passport could be so capable.
they beefed it up a bit and their cooling is upgraded for all wilderness trims so it doesn't overheat easily.
One thing you might not realise is the Outback 3.6R 5sp SEAT has a LSD rear diff which helps with traction when there is wheel lift.
Source? Subaru incorrectly called their brake vectoring an “E-LSD” for a while. Not sure if they still do. Some versions of the older outbacks had a mechanical LSD with no brake vectoring, but the LSD would wear out and act as an open differential.
I tried finding out what is the crawl ratio for a Honda CR-V 2008 i-CTDi 2.2l diesel, but can’t seem to find this info. Is there a way to calculate the crawl ratio?
Lowest Transmission gear ratio multiplied by the axle final drive ratio
@@CalebCissna Thanks! The crawl ratio would be 3.93x4.11=16.1523. Is that ok for this type of SUV?
That’s actually pretty good for an AWD, and it’s diesel? Even better!
Crosstrek wilderness easily beats the OBW when it comes to this type of obstacle.
For the Outback wilderness, what is the brand for your front skid plate?
primitive racing
Get a person from Bolivia, Pakistan, & Madagascar they will get those vehicles anywhere on the trails!
A company with the light off road credibility of Subaru should never had embraced the CVT.
Man i wouldnt trade my trail hawk for any of these
That Porsche is 4WD and has 550 hp and torque
@@JonDZ_Adventuring a locker is so nice to have tho
@@shannonstrode7967 True! I believe the cayenne can be optioned with one. The 1st gen Touareg has that option.
Those first gen Cayenne's are awesome, but I have to imagine they're a maintenance nightmare.
Flip flops
It’s really not that impressive if 2 Honda AWD minivans made it….
LOL
It’s truly impressive for the Subaru CVT platform
"There's plenty-" Classic moment, Subarus have good ground clearance but they're approach angles leave alot to be desired.
A bigger subframe drop will fix that. Too many Subues are modded out to get a 2” lift, and not enough with a 4” lift with 2” subframe drop.
With that said though, Abe’s OBW wilderness was totally stock and he got through the trail and back at camp like a trooper!
It's a car not a rock climber or even a 4x4
Tough and what a great driver as well heck yeah guys fun fun fun
This was a fun watch. I'm currently trying to decide between 3 of the vehicles you showed. Those OBWs have a lot going for them. Great production,
OBW and the Forester Wilderness are very good choices for serious off roading.
Both our OBW and Forester are not the Wilderness trim, as we needed vehicles with superior traction.
We get 5-7 feet of snow up on our mountain every winter.
Our road is private so we have to plow and maintain it ourselves.
When chainsaw are required to travel over the mountain passes between us and Seattle, the State Police will always allow Subaru’s to travel with just snow tires and chains are optional.
During snow storms if we have to go into the city (25 miles away), the Subaru’s are mostly in the fast lane going around 45-55mph while all of the FWD and other AWD and 4WD vehicles are in the slow lane driving around 30-35mph.
We have only seen 1 Subie in the ditch (it was a 17 year old boy driving). We pulled over and picked him up and drove him to his house.
Every other time the vehicles in the ditch or spun out are Not Subaru’s.
Whenever we have to drive to the family ranch in Montana (12 hours away), people with Subaru’s are confident in their vehicles.
When ours wear out, we’ll replace them with another Subaru
Nice. I really enjoyed sitting in the OWB at the dealership@@Doc1855 . Right now the choices are OWB, Taco Off-Road w/6 ft bed, or a 4Runner Off-Road. It'll be for forest roads and high clearance vehicle roads in Northern NM, and Colorado. So snow and and challenging terrain will always be a concern. And I need something to be able to sleep in at low temps and high winds. I know just about every other person in the southern rockies has a Subaru, very popular for mountain driving.
Let’s go, Abe!!! Wuhoo!! Nicely done bro! Haha!
That jetboil at the end. 😂😂😂
Another solid adventure in the books!
Thanks Ian! I actually had a little advertisement on our way to the arch, but my video was over 50 minutes long and I had to do some trimming 😭
Bro, I saw you driving in Irvine freeway on Saturday. Passport is looking cool.
Thank you!!!! 🙏
My 78 Subaru 4x4 wagon would have done it easily.
What’s the max height to clear that. I wonder if I can fit under the arch 🤔
I’m not totally sure, but there’s height and also width to worry about. It’s a good obstacle because it forces the driver to use a max amount of momentum. My guess is that the dead center is about 90” tall, but it’s an uphill obstacle and it tapers to the center.
safe to say my tundra is probably too big for it.
Are you using the empty spare tire space for something? I get the appeal for a swing arm spare on the crosstrek given it doesnt come with a full size spare. Adding the swing arm just seems like added weight, so your insight is appreciated!
yeah, in the spare wheel well i have permanently mounted a 100Ah lifepo4 battery, 30A dc-dc charger, 1000W inverter, fuse panel, and two radios (gmrs and ham). i have all my tools/recovery gear in there as well.
That Gen 1 Cayenne. Awesome √
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NO! Diff lock it and bin CVT subaru🙄
does the 2022 have the same cvt as the 2023 ?
The second gent x-mode in low drive selection does well on the non wilderness as well.
I think people try and shove too much tire on these which is going to impact the cvt performance by over torquing the trans.
The OBW has a transmission cooler also, the other models do not.
Did you use Xmode 1 or 2 ? Deep sand and mud work's better in my opinion plus it give's more agressive throttle input
x-mode 1 (snow/dirt) for sure.
I was impressed by the Subaru until I looked up the price.
Within the first 10 seconds, i knew the driver was unfamiliar with subarus symmetrical awd