Oscar is managed by Mark Webber and you look how badly he was treated supporting Vettel. Mark will be pushing Oscar to as selfish as possible to avoid the No.2 being labelled on him.
What do you think about this asymmetric braking leak to the FIA? Red Bull are so far off with their cornerning it seems so obvious they were doing something dodgy in the past and were given some kind of anonymity by the FIA just like the Ferrari oil burn saga.
@@akrogirl32 so what, to a driver, every F1 weekend is a goal in its own right - for most it will always be a dream, its history, a legacy - they don't not bother to turn up when they cant win the championship anymore. Every race is like an Indy 500. We need to be honest here - the reason there is such an outcry is because the people watching feel entitled to there being a fight to the last race, not appreciating what winning an f1 race means to the people that compete in it
Landos start was fine at Monza, I suspect he thought that Oscar was going to sit behind him and defend, but Oscar thought otherwise - I do wonder if that in team discussions before the race, Lando was under the misapprehension that Oscar was going to be his 'rear gunner' - something Oscar had no intention of being, thats why Lando seems annoyed.
@@adampetten5349 Oscar protected Lando beautifully at the first corner, but Lando's oversteer on the 2nd corner and early braking on the 3rd corner cost him 2 places.
Lando could have stopped the overtake, but can't defend hard because he knows a crash will cost him the Championship. Oscar doesn't have that constraint so he's got a built-in advantage. It's up to Zak Brown to level the playing field for his drivers...
Its only the English Press that are dirty on McLarens view on go race young fellas concept, I reckon Zack loves the boys racing, You could see it in his face and in his voice when he faced the Violin players questions after the race haha Go Zack don't change the attitude, Championships are earned not given😃
You do realise Ferrari, Mercedes, And Redbull have all done this right, and it paid off for them big time. You act like it's some completely alien concept that has never happened in F1. Lol even Fangio benefited from a teammate letting him by 😂
@@kityhawk2000 they have done it where there was a clear talent delta between drivers. I don't think there was a number 1/2 at Mercedes since they hired George, there wasn't at ferrari until they sacked Carlos.
Oscar is a special talent - with possibly more ultimate potential than Lando. While having one of their drivers winning WDC would be nice, I think McLaren doesn’t want to label Oscar #2 driver. Just my 2 cents.
Yeah nah. Lando wants to win, he needs to earn it. Oscar pulled a genius move and reaped the benefits. Oscar is staking his claim as the dominant McLaren driver in the team
Call me old fashioned but i like my world champions to not talk about how badly they performed after every race. Lando doesn't deserve the title at this point of the season. He's cost himself way more points than the team has cost him.
Let me race! No one wants to see team orders. It might be the “smart” thing to do, but we would rather see them race. If Lando is worthy of a title, he will win it on merit not by being handed it by the team.
It’s a team sport. While the ideal would be as you wish the fact is driver world championship tilts only come around for most brilliant drivers once or twice in a career and then the team is supposed jump in behind that driver to give them the best chance to win, the same way that the drivers do their very best every season, even in a dog of a car, to get maximum points for their team for the Constructors’.
I think you are being generous to Mclaren I think for whatever reason they've decided to concede the drivers championship. I think its incredibly dumb and will hurt the team not just this year but in future as I think they will irreparably damage their driver relationships.
Yeah, it's not clear how it would benefit the team. I'm sure it's good for marketing to win the drivers title but with a cost cap does that really mater to McLaren??? The team championship is where the prize money is anyway and Oscar is arguably the more likely driver to be a multiple champion in the future. Why piss off Oscar on a long shot of Lando winning the drivers championship? Is Marc just pandering to his mainly British audience? It's got us talking which will help the RUclips algorithm so perhaps Marc is playing us...
@@haydenisaac3030well if they don't want to back Lando they might as well fire him. Because what's the point of having a driver that the team have no faith in and he will just be a thorn in the side of any Oscar championship in the future.
All the POM's getting all butthurt because Oscar beat their overrated boy is hilarious. Why should Oscar have to compromise his result for Lando? Lando isn't world champ material, he's too soft on the track and everyone around him knows it. The reason McLaren are letting them race is because they know who their REAL future F1 champ is and they don't want to piss him off 😂
@@druidpromo correct. They Undercut their own driver, who was winning the race! Lando messed up by giving the place back. He sent a strong message to the rest of the field. He showed weakness and now that’s going to be exploited by everyone, including his teammate.
I think that's the case. The constructors championship is underrated by most people. They need to secure the constructors. Will be the first time since 1998.
@@AJ-fe8omhave you actually looked at how much money? It's a drop in the ocean these days when the big teams are owned by multinational companies and billionaires. You are basing this off something Frank Williams said 40 years ago. Get out of the 80s dude! If the constructors is so important, why did Redbull freely admit they valued the drivers more in 2021? The drivers is the one everyone remembers that's where the prestige is, the marketing, the brand recognition. But this isn't an either or thing. Mclaren don't risk the constructors by going for the drivers they've just decided to give up on one championship for no real reason other than it might upset their 2nd driver lol
I think if you asked Zak he would definitely say (this year at least) the constructors championship is more important than the drivers. It’s really the fans who think the drivers is more important. Zak is the boss of McLaren and McLaren is a storied name in the industry. For him to take that name to the top would give him WAY more kudos than one of his drivers winning the championship. Especially if they crippled a talent like Piastri to do so. And especially if they imposed orders on Piastri and they STILL didn’t get the drivers championship which anyone with any knowledge would assume might happen.
@@callumhayes7502get your hand off it mate. Lando messed up his exit from turn 1 and turn 4 which caused him to get passed by Oscar and then LeClerc. If he wasn’t so impatient to get on the gas he wouldn’t have slid sideways out of the corner and lost his forward drive. Go watch it again.
Lando forgot who was behind him. Lando finally made a good start, was relieved and got lazy, or careless, assuming Piastri would give him leeway. That's not racing. Lando, HTFU...
If you want to be WDC shouldn’t you do it using your talents as a driver, not by being gifted a win or higher finishing position, common sense says if one driver can’t mathematically win it, then it would be better to let the one who can have the highest points finish, Oscar seems to have a talent at the moment that Lando doesn’t, strong mental strength.
@@druidpromoexactly what I mean, same applies for both drivers just totally wrong, same could happen with a safety car, leading driver normal tyre stop around 23 seconds say, the SC comes out second team driver gets free tyre stop and takes the lead, not his fault, just roll of the dice, he should win not give up his pace.
As I'm sure others have probably said: I bet Piastri's manager, Mr. Mark Webber, is telling him to not capitulate and to not defer until the team absolutely insist. Once that "no.2 driver" status is in place it might be pretty hard to roll that back to equals later on. "Multi21, Seb. Multi21".
All is fine until Oscar needs his team mates help! Didn’t Mercedes allow fair racing but not to crash?You would expect they have agreements in place about first lap etc? As said, it works both ways. If both had retired, the story today would be very different.
Yep as soon as Oscar accepts (grudgingly) a number 2 status, that's when he'll need to shop around for another drive, my betting is he'll end up at Ferarri and replace Lewis after his 2 Yr contract is up. Just my theory.
Why do people insist on gifting Lando a WC? Shouldn't he earn it? Why should Piastri give him his place when Lando, although closest to Max, is still 62 points down. If Lando wants a WC, let him fight for it. He makes too many mistakes on his own without blaming the team for their decisions.
Because they're team-mates. Nobody wins a WDC without their team-mates help unless their car is far ahead of the competition. Think Verstappen / Perez or Hamilton / Bottas.
@@alexg6265With respect Perez and Bottas are both number 2 drivers whereas Oscar is equal to or better than Lando. Remember Oscar sat out his first year in F1 at Alpine and he is hungry. I don’t blame Oscar for trying to win every race.
@@geoffnicholson8364 This is exactly my point. If you want to win a driver's championship when the machinery is equal then you need a number one driver or you won't win. Think of Hamilton and Alonso. One of them should have won that year but because McLaren didn't pick a number one driver they both lost
What do you think it says that McLaren’s response to why they didn’t switch Oscar and Lando at the end of the race was, “We didn’t think about it.” I know that McLaren are learning how to win again but it feels like not even considering that option some would say is unacceptable.
To switch positions is unfair - Piastri is currently 4th and is a good chance to finish 2nd in the championship. He needs all the points he can get too.
On his cv alone, Oscar is better than Norris. He might not be as quick over a single lap, but he's a far better racer. If they wanted a subservient lackey, then they should have hired someone like Albon.
His CV has 50 less points than Norris so far. Oscar is right to be selfish, because he has to assert himself. Teams don’t get money for driver’s championships. Oscar had too many races where Lando got the better of him. I get the pit stops he got screwed in Hungary, but he was losing pace to Lando on newer tires.
The fact Lando stuck with McLaren when they didn't have the better car shows the commitment he has for the team - it's time McLaren repays some of that loyalty by declaring him the #1 driver for the remainder of the season, given the few number of races left. Team orders can reset next year and it'll be fair game for both drivers then...
@@stephengardiner5410 By throwing Piastri under a bus? There are 8 races and 3 sprint races left, if Norris is good enough there's time. The points gap between Norris and Verstappen is wider than Piastri to Norris. Let them race.
McLaren owe Lando loyalty for a previous slow car? 🤣 That's hilarious. McLaren paid Lando millions to drive a race . McLaren made Lando an F1 driver when no other team offered him a seat. McLaren made Lando a race winner even though he's bottled it numerous times. Lando owes McLaren not the other way around.
The thing is that once you put in place anti competitive restrictions on anyone from any team the sport is no longer about the best drive in the best car providing entertainment it becomes a train of sponsorship. F1 was so much more of a sport when the best drivers are going head to head. The sport suffers when competition isn't allowed because of some inter team rules.
Lol tell that to Raikkonen, Schumacher, Hamilton, Vettel, Senna Verstappen, and every other driver who's benefitted from "inter team" rules. Mclaren will never be a threat to Max with that mentality.
@@jasonferguson74 how delusional can you get? It’s a TEAM sport, not an individual sport and the constructors champ is the priority to the team as that’s what earns them the money. The driver’s champ is secondary to that, however as Norris is the only driver with a chance of catching vapen in the driver’s champ. Team order’s are a part of the sport, regardless of whether you agree or not and have been for most of its existence, even when they tried outlawing it teams just had ways around it. Oscar has benefited from team orders this year when they made Norris let Oscar through despite a fair overtake. Take a listen to the messaging from the pit wall to Norris to understand.
Other channels are guessing that Oscar, being managed by Mark Webber who has experience being a second driver, has a clause in his contract that assures that the drivers are treated equally and are allowed to race eachother, rather than receiving team orders.
you wouldnt have a clause that prevents team orders, but i would imagine Mclaren gave him an assurance he wasnt a number 2 as part of their discussions - why wouldnt they, its how mclaren have always gone racing
I love Lando… but he needs to get his elbows out more and get his first lap sorted. He’s lost too many places when those lights go out… Oscar not so much.
“Waa waa waa you should let them race” couple races laterrr… “waa waa waa don’t let them race”. It’s not a deserved drivers title if it’s not won with their own skills. Everyone looks negative on the Schumacher gifted wins.
"Everyone look negative on the Schumacher gifted wins" lol you be careful calling yourself "everyone" buddy 😂 Why don't you ask the Tifosi what they think of Schumachers wins or literally anyone who thinks he was one of the greatest of all time?
Schumacher was my favourite driver at the time and still is one of my favourites and I consider one of the greatest ….so….. Me generalising with “everyone” when technically should have written “most” still doesn’t change my point….
Completely agree with you Marc. There has been so much Oscar-bashing following the race that's completely unwarranted. He did what racing drivers should do - try and win. McLaren should have stopped this from occurring from the outset by giving instruction before the race. They also got beaten by a better strategy so fair play to Ferrari there.
This is another great vidoe. One of the biggest problems is Lando not getting off the line. I am not sure what the cause is, but it's reoccurring. The ruling on Kevin Magnuson was extremely harsh and other drivers do similar things and not received any penalty. They have not been tough enough on his previous actions and now they take this action. It's interesting that F1 came out with an addendum to the rule on brakes and Red Bull has continued to fall back.
Most people don't realise that there are reasons why McLaren are racing this way and acting like they know better. Or are haters. Even you Marc. McLaren will win the constructor's championship and by a good margin because they have played it slightly safe. It has already been said that McLaren didn't want to risk a 1 stop and that's why. Ferrari had nothing to lose. Also it has been explained that McLaren let their drivers race. This is one of the reasons I love McLaren. I like both Lando and Oscar so it would be tough to favour 1 driver and I'm sure McLaren feel the same. People need to grow up and realise they aren't anywhere close to the level McLaren work on, which is the absolute top level.
Lol the top level that have won 3 races despite having the best car for over half the season. Can't wait for Mclarens hands off driver management to lead to their 2 drivers taking each other out and Ferrari winning the constructors
Oscar is an amazing driver , so cool and calm..you don't want to upset him ...Also it is ridiculous in F1 where they value drivers title more than the team ..l always say there is always handfuls of drivers and put one of them at best car he will win the championship. You can see Max, so tell me what happened as soon as his car is a bit back, he turned into nothing...
@Roguescienceguy you may understand the F1 politics as they want to create a superhero that works for marketing. Lewis,Max,Nando,Alonso,Charles,Nando,Oscar ,if you put one of these in the best car, this one will win the championship without doubt... They are the best ones. You can find more than one super driver to win the championship, but making the best car is more difficult in the current regulations due to the extreme budget caps. At the beginning of each era, one team took a perfect shot and 1 to 1.5 seconds faster, so other teams could not close the gap quickly, like in old days where there was not extreme budget caps...F1 is introducing all these new restrictions but not implementing solution for negative outcomes.
I think a lot of people forget that Mark Webber is Oscars manager. Webber’s experience at Redbull dealing with Vettel’s reluctance to follow team orders, is definitely an influence behind the scenes, now he’s managing Oscar.
I’ve watched f1 for a long time…if lando wins the wdc with Oscars help…I bet you next year the narrative would be …lando needs to be the lead driver…he’s got a wdc you know…and before you know it Oscar’s just the second driver..so you can’t blame piastri for not playing ball
Papaya rules surely mean lando has got to get his elbows out concerning his team mate regardless of mclarens obvious preference to winning the team championship over the drivers championship.
For Lando to deserve the world championship he needs to finish in front of Oscar not behind him and in front of the others. They should fight it out equally and not be helped by favouritism.
You are basically saying as long as Mclaren have 2 drivers who can fight each other they are not allowed to win a championship. Because when teammates fight each other when a driver from another team is in play they always lose, Mansel and Piquet let Prost win, Hamilton and Alonso let Raikkonen win. It was lucky for Mercedes that their car was so dominant they could afford to have a teammate battle, but if it had happened in 2017 Vettel would have probably won that title.
Better question why would a team want a driver who wants to be treated as number 1 when they can't beat their own teammate over season and can only cost them a championship instead? Even Michael Schumacher supported Eddie Irvines championship bid in 1999 when was out of contention due to injury.
why are you saying number 2??? he is behind Lando in points like 44.. alot?? capitalize on the best chance as a team idiot, he does race for a team, at this point in the season oskar is taking points from Lando which helps Red Bull!!! Mclaren have to decide who Osker drives for McLaren or redbull or himself
@@kityhawk2000how do you know that Oscar won't actually beat Lando by the end of the season? Why would he give up on a fight he's still in the mix for? Until Lando is only a few points behind with only a few races left and Oscar is mathematically eliminated then we can talk about team orders. I believe without Oscars consent you are suggesting he is a number two with many races left, this is wrong 😂
So you want McLaren to H E L P little boy Lando coz the little boy can't do it by himself! HOW SAD then if he becomes the F1 champion we can all say he is a champion with HELP
Marc what about strategy surely at McLaren you would have had 1 driver on a 2 stop and 1 on a 1 stop second Ferrari just responded to McLaren pit stops early ?
Glad you’re back with these vids!! Question. What monetary impact would a Driver Championship have for a team compared to winning the Constructors Championship? Maybe this is their thought process? I don’t know but would be good to hear thoughts and opinions
Then it might be the most foolish contract since Kimis Lotus contract that nearly bankrupted that team. They had absolutely no way of knowing Oscar would dominate Lando and if you have a driver who contract says they are number 1 but they are not leading their teammate who has a chance of taking a championship they might as well be driving for another team because that how helpful that is
Well he is not a second rate driver ffs. His juniorvrecord is exemplary. No one will be able to stop him and why would they? Oscar is the champion of the n3xt decade coming down the pike with his elbows out. Why would anyone want to give Lando a leg up if he is actually not quite the WDC ticket?
Thanx for the analysis. Lando has to be the number one driver, otherwise they will lose the driver’s championship. It is cool to let them race, but common sense is paramount!!
McLaren definitely have a hard decision to make. But they should prioritize Lando. This opportunity does not come by very often so they need to bank on it. And as for Charles, congrats and so far he won the 2 races that matter: monza and monaco.
Ferrari were in the position to gamble a bit on strategy and their gamble paid off. Possibly McLaren should have split their strategies to cover this off but maybe their car just uses tyres more than the Ferrari. Were they being complacent because they have the fastest car??? Monza is traditionally a one stop race due to the time for a stop being relatively long due to the pit layout. Surely all of the teams are aware of this... Obviously the track being resurfaced through a bit of a wild card into the mix but McLaren were too slow to react. Oscar looks more like a future world champion than Lando so perhaps this is why the team are not jumping to give out team orders. I'm sure other teams would love to have Oscar so McLaren will be wary of upsetting him. From what we have seen so far Oscar seems to have a higher ceiling of potential and complains less (he's not British after all). I'm a kiwi so have to put that last comment in 😜
Oscar is a sensational racer. Lando’s quite good on Saturdays. Maybe they can use Lando to qualify and give Oscar a slipstream on the first lap on Sundays; not that Oscar needs it (no slipstream benefit mid-chicane).
McLaren CLEARLY are only truly interested in winning the Constructors champ this year, they only care that the take 1-2 or 2-3 and it doesn't matter which driver is in which position..
@@mutleyeng when you say 'fair and even handed' - in what sense? Lando is the only one with any sort of possibility of beating max to the title, but if McLaren put all their eggs in one basket with him, that will alienate Oscar, and vice versa should they give equal status to both of them ..
@@brianaitkenhead4526 fair and even handed means you let them race. the thing with F1 is that even if you are not in with a chance of the drivers title, winning an F1 race is still a huge achievement in its own right - it is not right to hire 2 competitive drivers and expect one of them to play wingman to the other with 10 races to go. If that's how you want things to be then hire one driver that is clearly not at that level. Thats the way Red Bull are doing it, how Mercedes did it with Bottas. Then team orders are easy. When you have Senna and Prost, not so easy (not saying oscar and lando are with the likes of senna and prost ... just an extreme example to make a point).
@@mutleyeng thats fair enough, but you are essentially saying that Mclaren will not be winning the drivers championship while they have two drivers fighting each other.. I still believe that the constructors is theirs to lose, but the drivers champ is gone this season, especially if, as you say, they don't prioritise Lando.
Yes, competitive racing what racing is all about, but not on the first lap with your teammate. What Piastri needs to realize is they are on the same team, he isn’t racing against McLaren, and if he wants to race against McLaren then he must do it from another team.
Unless Max has a DNF in the last races the WDC is his to lose. McLaren are interested in the Constructors which they should win on current form. Oscar isn't interested in helping Lando win from so far back and neither should he. If McLaren don't want two Number 1 drivers then Oscar should go somewhere else.
Team orders should been to protect the 1,2 finish as that would have put McLaren ahead of Red Bull in the constructors fight, which is where the money is for the team, and then once they have built a decent lead in the race, then may the best driver win as they can both still mathematically win the championship. This is better than a Max vs Lando fight right now
@@quigglyzhere is another one. Piastri isn't the stronger driver, he is behind in the championship and outqualified 15-4 in the season. Zandvoort too long ago to remember is it?
@@ab8jeh Apparently Zandvoort was long enough ago that Lando forgot how to drive like he did over there. And that race was an exception, not the norm, in Lando's season so far. It's useless to complain about how the team isn't doing X or Y to help Lando win the title when Lando himself is the one who is first and foremost throwing his own chances away. He needs to fix himself before any of his fans should be feeling like he's somehow entitled to be made a champion.
I really can't understand McLaren's logic at the moment sharing the points between their two drivers; it may give them the constructor's championship but it could well lose them the drivers championship. It has been frustrating in the past too from their disastrous decisions in Lewis Hamilton's rookie year to the relationship with Honda where they put unreasonable pressure on the powerplant maker in terms of tight packaging in the installation and losing patience with Honda despite problems created by themselves.
The only reason the 1 stop worked for Ferrari is because the two McLaren boys were RACING EACH OTHER!!!! Charles was running his own race thinking he was screwd with his pit stop being too early and driving with the 1 stop in mind and when Landon and Piastri drove the nuts off those tires it was all over then. These two need to help each other to help the team and help themselves as well
Max has a chance to win the championship. Not Lando. There should have been a swap. Every point counts. Bizarre. I fixed it for you . See how stupid that sounds? 🤡 Nobody owes Max the win just because he's leading. Nobody owes Lando. Nobody owes Charles etc etc etc. Race hard. No team orders. Nobody wants repeats of the protectionist Schumacher era.
Reality folks. Max will probably have to have 2 DNFs for Lando to have a real chance. Unless Max instigates / contributes a crash with a non-McLaren / Lando incident, Lando doesn't really have a chance. What is realistic, is securing Constructors Championship this year. As long as Oscar & Lando race each other fairly & don't crash each other out, let them race. McLaren wanted 2 number 1 drivers, they've made their bed.
To me its crystal clear that McLaren just dont give a flying about the drivers championship and hence are allowing the drivers to take unnecessary risks racing their own team mates. Zak quoted Williams in a post-race interview, saying that they are going for the constructors and 9 out 10 times the drivers will follow. Almost unbelievable to me that thats their position and they have clearly just thrown away points that could potentially cost Lando the championship at the end of it all. But it is what it is..
Oscar was clearly the faster Mclaren driver in the race, but lost to the Ferrari - They, at least in the hands of Leclerc had the better package. It's not all about raw pace. I dont agree with telling a driver to move over for his team mate because I dont value a WDC that is only won by those means - maybe, just maybe in the last one or two races. Lando has to do better if he wants to win - this is his weakest season for 2 or 3 years when it needed to be his best
This is all about Piastri, something stinks at McLaren and with Mark Webber as a manager there is no way Oscar is going to be a number 2 driver if the past of Mark Webber has anything to do with it, this will end in tears and to be fare they deserve to lose it due to the way they go about racing, they have the best car on the grid with two fast drivers in them but they also have a new team who have no idea what winning is all about. I hope for their sake it turns round but for me even Lando's race engineer is against him and this will not bode well for them, I feel a Hamilton - Rosberg event like at Barcelona is on the cards
Massa helped Schumacher win titles. It's part and parcel of being in a team. It's ridiculous that Mclaren are letting their drivers race each other - it's stupid. Piastri has little chance of winning the title. Do Mclaren not want a driver's title?
Massa has a WC does he.... Why would Oscar want to sacrifice his race to help Lando win a championship which only is a good thing for Lando and Mclaren and only really a negative for Piastr, cementing him in Mclarens minds as a no.2.
@footyball66 in all fairness, Raikkonen won 2007 while Hamilton and Alonso fought each other within McLaren 😅 At least we can say the team is consistent and won't meddle too much with the drivers if the team is scoring. The problem this weekend to me is that they wasted their tyre's chasing each other and had to go to a 2 stop loosing the race
@@RadeticDaniel at least the 2007 situation could be understood insofar as both drivers were a few points apart and both had a chance of winning the championship. That is not true with Oscar and Lando.
@@alexsmith32012 of course Piastri wouldn't want to sacrifice his race to help Lando. Piastri wants to race, but he's very unlikely to win the title. It's up to Mclaren to impose a team order on Piastri to not race Lando and to help Lando win the title. That's my point - it's up to the boss at Mclaren - it should NOT be up to Piastri. If Mclaren are the top team next season and Piastri is in a similar position to Norris next season - then surely he'd want Norris to help him. Helping Norris this season could actually do him a favour for future seasons where he'd be repaid.
They should be free to race without taking each other out. Ferrari rolled the dice and just managed to hang on by just over 2 seconds. If they had stopped twice they would have been absolutely nowhere. Piastri is a class driver who can match Lando. He is not a number 2 and never will be. His manager (Mark Webber) will make absolutely certain that this is never a possibility in reality or contractually. If McLaren try that routine Oscar should ignore it and go for the win every time.
Everyone complaining about how McLaren manages its drivers when Red Bull loses 8 points every single weekend because their #2 driver isn't on Piastri and Lando's level. If McLaren loses the WCC it will be because their car wasn't good enough. If red bull loses, it will be because they signed a second tier driver to avoid having them race.
Hi Mark. Why would Oscar want to let Lando pass. Oscars in f1 to win. I can understand Oscar wanting McLaren to win the constructors title. Also, it’s possible Oscar could catch Lando in the drivers championship.
So you are saying Mclaren should give up on the drivers champion this year and should fire Norris and bring in a dedicated number 2 driver to support Oscar? Because that's the only way what you are describing can work. Oscar is 44 points behind Norris even if he overtakes him how does that improve things for Mclaren? How about next time Lando thinks I don't care if he's my teammate I'm not giving him space so we'll crash, how does that help Mclaren. Drivers who consider themselves number 1 are only useful if they are leading and Oscar isn't leading this season.
@@kityhawk2000 If McLaren want to give team orders it’s up to them. What I am saying is, if I was in Oscars situation, I would do the same as him. Racing drivers are not going to let team mates by unless they have too. It’s not in their dna.
@@Anthony-z7b3v I agree but sometimes drivers need to be told to do things in the best interests of the team. It's got nothing to do with Lando or Oscar's nationalities. If Oscar were 44 points ahead of Lando and 62 Max then I would argue Mclaren should back him. Even if Oscar were 4 points behind Lando instead of 44 I'd say let them race but there comes a point where a team going after titles needs to do what's best for them over a driver and what's best for Mclaren is to win both championships.
I couldn't help but think why Piastri didn't work with Lando. working togetht it's most likely a 1-2 finish. Seems like they aren't a team but two individual drivers.
We need a disclosure for how many of these pundits have a financial connection to Lando Norris' rich daddy. Norris is not the #1 driver... He is not a WDC... Norris a McLaren driver with a teammate who can beat him without team interference.
@paulaldis2970 I wrote: "Norris a McLaren driver with a teammate who can beat him without team interference." Hungary was all about team interference... If the team pit the P1 car first (as they normally would), then Piastri would have been P1 from L1 to flag. Norris fans refuse to acknowledge how Norris came to lead in Hungary.
@@paulaldis2970 you didn't watch the Hungary race with your eyes open, and it shows. The team GIFTED Lando P1, then asked Lando to give it back because they screwed up Oscar's position with a terrible pit strat.
Have to disagree with you and most of the British punditry. Just because Oscar led the first lap is not the reason why a McLaren did not win on Sunday. The ifs, buts and maybes that they you have all concocted to support this view would be hilarious if it were not coming from the so called expert commentators. The only exception to this was the review by the Race who concluded that McLaren was beaten by a car that had been prepared to do the one stop as they had no chance of doing it any other way. Against the odds it worked out for them. Oscars takeover of Lando was epic and shows what a great driver he is and will become. He should be applauded for this and the fact that he was the quickest driver on track all day. McLaren's common sense decision to allow its drivers to race, just as Ferrari does, is not unusual and takes into account their stated view that they have two number one drivers both of whom (particularly Oscar) they do not want to lose. Chasing a drivers championship that no one knew was really up for grabs when the starting lights at Monza went out, was not in the mind of anyone except Red Bull who knew how far their car is off the pace now. I downloaded seedsteam BTW and it is great product so thank you for that and hopefully it becomes successful if not already.
In the summer break they said they would talk about WDC in McLaren - looks like they didn’t have that conversation as they are throwing away the CWC and WDC
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Oscar is managed by Mark Webber and you look how badly he was treated supporting Vettel. Mark will be pushing Oscar to as selfish as possible to avoid the No.2 being labelled on him.
Most likely Piastri is equal to Norris contractually. Webber would have put that in the contract considering his history.
not to mention you only ever see webber with helmut makes you wonder who he drives for
Lol being a better driver is selfish 😂
@@jedi77palmeryes, yes it is. In order to be a great driver you have to be selfish 😂
Not impressed with How Mclaran manage there drivers.Red bull must be laughing their heads of at them .
What do you think about this asymmetric braking leak to the FIA? Red Bull are so far off with their cornerning it seems so obvious they were doing something dodgy in the past and were given some kind of anonymity by the FIA just like the Ferrari oil burn saga.
Lando is a great driver but his starts suck. Hats off to Oscar great drive and even better overtake.
Lando is not a #1 driver. It doesn’t matter how British he is. He’s not the guy.
He is the only one with a chance of winning the World Championship this year.
lol.
@@akrogirl32 so what, to a driver, every F1 weekend is a goal in its own right - for most it will always be a dream, its history, a legacy - they don't not bother to turn up when they cant win the championship anymore. Every race is like an Indy 500.
We need to be honest here - the reason there is such an outcry is because the people watching feel entitled to there being a fight to the last race, not appreciating what winning an f1 race means to the people that compete in it
Oscar took papaya rules with both hands, fair play. Let them race
Team orders dont work where the junior driver is psychologically and strategically superior to the 'lead' one.
Psychologically and strategically but not ACTUALLY seeing as he's 44 points behind. 😂
@@kityhawk2000 Piastri fans are delusional at best
Lando needs to make better starts and not lose places on the first lap. That is what is costing him points.
He was leading after the first corner.
So Lando needs to match oscars aggression on the first lap? They will just end up taking each other out.
Landos start was fine at Monza, I suspect he thought that Oscar was going to sit behind him and defend, but Oscar thought otherwise - I do wonder if that in team discussions before the race, Lando was under the misapprehension that Oscar was going to be his 'rear gunner' - something Oscar had no intention of being, thats why Lando seems annoyed.
Check out Jolyon Palmers analysis. Lando had oversteer in his exit from Turn 2 and then braked too early into Turn 3, while Piastri nailed both.
@@adampetten5349 Oscar protected Lando beautifully at the first corner, but Lando's oversteer on the 2nd corner and early braking on the 3rd corner cost him 2 places.
Lando could have stopped the overtake, but can't defend hard because he knows a crash will cost him the Championship. Oscar doesn't have that constraint so he's got a built-in advantage. It's up to Zak Brown to level the playing field for his drivers...
Its only the English Press that are dirty on McLarens view on go race young fellas concept, I reckon Zack loves the boys racing, You could see it in his face and in his voice when he faced the Violin players questions after the race haha Go Zack don't change the attitude, Championships are earned not given😃
You do realise Ferrari, Mercedes, And Redbull have all done this right, and it paid off for them big time. You act like it's some completely alien concept that has never happened in F1. Lol even Fangio benefited from a teammate letting him by 😂
@@kityhawk2000 they have done it where there was a clear talent delta between drivers. I don't think there was a number 1/2 at Mercedes since they hired George, there wasn't at ferrari until they sacked Carlos.
Oscar is a special talent - with possibly more ultimate potential than Lando. While having one of their drivers winning WDC would be nice, I think McLaren doesn’t want to label Oscar #2 driver. Just my 2 cents.
No way should they have switched at the end. Oscar was catching Charles. It could have been a win with one more lap.
I agree. Charles could have easily been pushed into a mistake on those tyres. A lock up or understeer could have made the difference.
Apologies for the wind noise....
Still seems to be a pretty awesome place❤
What? 🤗
Wasn't as bad as some people were making it out to be
I don’t think McLaren prioritize a driver championship. Lando better put his big boy pants on.
Well that flies in the face of every Mclaren championship in the past.
Teams should only concentrate on the team championship.
Agreed! P1 and P2 is all that matters, not the order they finish in.
Yeah nah. Lando wants to win, he needs to earn it. Oscar pulled a genius move and reaped the benefits.
Oscar is staking his claim as the dominant McLaren driver in the team
If anyone thinks Piastri, a F3 champion and F2 Champion, to be a "second" driver to Lando you are smoking crack. That boy is here to WIN RACES.
Call me old fashioned but i like my world champions to not talk about how badly they performed after every race. Lando doesn't deserve the title at this point of the season. He's cost himself way more points than the team has cost him.
Let me race! No one wants to see team orders. It might be the “smart” thing to do, but we would rather see them race. If Lando is worthy of a title, he will win it on merit not by being handed it by the team.
It’s a team sport. While the ideal would be as you wish the fact is driver world championship tilts only come around for most brilliant drivers once or twice in a career and then the team is supposed jump in behind that driver to give them the best chance to win, the same way that the drivers do their very best every season, even in a dog of a car, to get maximum points for their team for the Constructors’.
I think you are being generous to Mclaren I think for whatever reason they've decided to concede the drivers championship. I think its incredibly dumb and will hurt the team not just this year but in future as I think they will irreparably damage their driver relationships.
When in a fight lando, protect yourself at all times
Favoring one driver over the other goes against the Mclaren ethos - the very fabric instilled by Bruce himself
Yeah, it's not clear how it would benefit the team. I'm sure it's good for marketing to win the drivers title but with a cost cap does that really mater to McLaren??? The team championship is where the prize money is anyway and Oscar is arguably the more likely driver to be a multiple champion in the future. Why piss off Oscar on a long shot of Lando winning the drivers championship? Is Marc just pandering to his mainly British audience? It's got us talking which will help the RUclips algorithm so perhaps Marc is playing us...
@@haydenisaac3030well if they don't want to back Lando they might as well fire him. Because what's the point of having a driver that the team have no faith in and he will just be a thorn in the side of any Oscar championship in the future.
Maybe they think Piastri has the higher ceiling and dont want to lose him.
I wouldn’t trust piastri alpine did and he screwed them, he is not a team player.
@@Sean22eiother way around!
So much British cope… I was born there, but Lando isn’t as mentally tough as Oscar… I know who will be the No.2 and so do all these commentators…
Why isn’t Oscar as fast as Lando?
All the POM's getting all butthurt because Oscar beat their overrated boy is hilarious. Why should Oscar have to compromise his result for Lando? Lando isn't world champ material, he's too soft on the track and everyone around him knows it. The reason McLaren are letting them race is because they know who their REAL future F1 champ is and they don't want to piss him off 😂
Oscar was gifted the win at Hungary slow you your roll
@@druidpromo lol, no he wasn’t. The only reason Lando was in that position was because the team worked against Oscar!
@@officialWWM LOL! that comment says it all!!
@@druidpromo correct. They Undercut their own driver, who was winning the race! Lando messed up by giving the place back. He sent a strong message to the rest of the field. He showed weakness and now that’s going to be exploited by everyone, including his teammate.
The team orders bullshit. Quickest driver wins on merit let Lando show he can win the last 8 races. Then he is a WDC..
'to be champion, first you must beat your team mate' or something
@@1greenMitsiHe doesn't have 44 more points for nothing. He is ahead 14-2 in qualifying.
Oscar just beat Lando on merit ??
@@adampetten5349 cool, but the saying is 'to be champion' .....piastri is closer to lando than lando is to max......!
@@adampetten5349 to be champion, Lando must continue to outscore Oscar. Do you see the problem?
I think McLaren are not as concerned with the drivers championship as all the British pundits are.
I think that's the case. The constructors championship is underrated by most people. They need to secure the constructors. Will be the first time since 1998.
Both championships are fictional in a way ….but driver championship matters more because it gets more eye balls
Constructors is where the money is. The money is real.
@@AJ-fe8omhave you actually looked at how much money? It's a drop in the ocean these days when the big teams are owned by multinational companies and billionaires. You are basing this off something Frank Williams said 40 years ago. Get out of the 80s dude! If the constructors is so important, why did Redbull freely admit they valued the drivers more in 2021? The drivers is the one everyone remembers that's where the prestige is, the marketing, the brand recognition. But this isn't an either or thing. Mclaren don't risk the constructors by going for the drivers they've just decided to give up on one championship for no real reason other than it might upset their 2nd driver lol
I think if you asked Zak he would definitely say (this year at least) the constructors championship is more important than the drivers. It’s really the fans who think the drivers is more important. Zak is the boss of McLaren and McLaren is a storied name in the industry. For him to take that name to the top would give him WAY more kudos than one of his drivers winning the championship. Especially if they crippled a talent like Piastri to do so. And especially if they imposed orders on Piastri and they STILL didn’t get the drivers championship which anyone with any knowledge would assume might happen.
If Lando had of been able to maintain control better Leclerc wouldn't have got past him.
Simply drive better mate
He literally made sure to avoid a crash with piastri, understand BETTER mate
@@callumhayes7502 that's called driving mate, not crashing into other cars👍
Not sure how you drive
@@jedi77palmer the fact he MAINTAINED CONTROL was good driving, so what you chatting?
@@callumhayes7502get your hand off it mate. Lando messed up his exit from turn 1 and turn 4 which caused him to get passed by Oscar and then LeClerc. If he wasn’t so impatient to get on the gas he wouldn’t have slid sideways out of the corner and lost his forward drive. Go watch it again.
Lando forgot who was behind him. Lando finally made a good start, was relieved and got lazy, or careless, assuming Piastri would give him leeway. That's not racing. Lando, HTFU...
I’m glad there is consensus about the utter mismanagement happening at McLaren.
Norris should win on merit, not handouts
Masterclass by Leclerc and we get this.
If you want to be WDC shouldn’t you do it using your talents as a driver, not by being gifted a win or higher finishing position, common sense says if one driver can’t mathematically win it, then it would be better to let the one who can have the highest points finish, Oscar seems to have a talent at the moment that Lando doesn’t, strong mental strength.
Wasn't Oscar gifted a win in Hungary?
@@druidpromoexactly what I mean, same applies for both drivers just totally wrong, same could happen with a safety car, leading driver normal tyre stop around 23 seconds say, the SC comes out second team driver gets free tyre stop and takes the lead, not his fault, just roll of the dice, he should win not give up his pace.
As I'm sure others have probably said: I bet Piastri's manager, Mr. Mark Webber, is telling him to not capitulate and to not defer until the team absolutely insist. Once that "no.2 driver" status is in place it might be pretty hard to roll that back to equals later on. "Multi21, Seb. Multi21".
All is fine until Oscar needs his team mates help! Didn’t Mercedes allow fair racing but not to crash?You would expect they have agreements in place about first lap etc? As said, it works both ways. If both had retired, the story today would be very different.
Yep as soon as Oscar accepts (grudgingly) a number 2 status, that's when he'll need to shop around for another drive, my betting is he'll end up at Ferarri and replace Lewis after his 2 Yr contract is up. Just my theory.
Why do people insist on gifting Lando a WC?
Shouldn't he earn it?
Why should Piastri give him his place when Lando, although closest to Max, is still 62 points down.
If Lando wants a WC, let him fight for it. He makes too many mistakes on his own without blaming the team for their decisions.
Because they're team-mates. Nobody wins a WDC without their team-mates help unless their car is far ahead of the competition. Think Verstappen / Perez or Hamilton / Bottas.
@@alexg6265With respect Perez and Bottas are both number 2 drivers whereas Oscar is equal to or better than Lando.
Remember Oscar sat out his first year in F1 at Alpine and he is hungry.
I don’t blame Oscar for trying to win every race.
@@alexg6265The problem with your examples is that Piastri is Norris's equal.
@geoffnicholson8364 if Oscar was the better driver than why is Lando leading him in the points?
@@geoffnicholson8364 This is exactly my point. If you want to win a driver's championship when the machinery is equal then you need a number one driver or you won't win. Think of Hamilton and Alonso. One of them should have won that year but because McLaren didn't pick a number one driver they both lost
Hi Marc. Wise words as ever and presented seamlessly. Thank you for taking the time to share 🌞
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What do you think it says that McLaren’s response to why they didn’t switch Oscar and Lando at the end of the race was, “We didn’t think about it.” I know that McLaren are learning how to win again but it feels like not even considering that option some would say is unacceptable.
Yah that the problem ..thinking!!
I think they did think about it but contracts didn't allow for it.
To switch positions is unfair - Piastri is currently 4th and is a good chance to finish 2nd in the championship. He needs all the points he can get too.
@@philg2468 but it was fair to force lando to switch and give oskar a win?????
@@MLGadventuersinfinance101 Re Hungary. It is not fair to do a 2 lap undercut on your teammate which is why McLaren were in a pickle.
On his cv alone, Oscar is better than Norris. He might not be as quick over a single lap, but he's a far better racer. If they wanted a subservient lackey, then they should have hired someone like Albon.
His CV has 50 less points than Norris so far. Oscar is right to be selfish, because he has to assert himself. Teams don’t get money for driver’s championships.
Oscar had too many races where Lando got the better of him. I get the pit stops he got screwed in Hungary, but he was losing pace to Lando on newer tires.
The fact Lando stuck with McLaren when they didn't have the better car shows the commitment he has for the team - it's time McLaren repays some of that loyalty by declaring him the #1 driver for the remainder of the season, given the few number of races left. Team orders can reset next year and it'll be fair game for both drivers then...
Oscars contract!!!! Simple as that.
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By throwing Piastri under a bus?
There are 8 races and 3 sprint races left, if Norris is good enough there's time. The points gap between Norris and Verstappen is wider than Piastri to Norris.
Let them race.
@@AUmarcuslol that's what they did in 2007 and it worked really well... for Ferrari 😂
McLaren owe Lando loyalty for a previous slow car? 🤣 That's hilarious. McLaren paid Lando millions to drive a race . McLaren made Lando an F1 driver when no other team offered him a seat. McLaren made Lando a race winner even though he's bottled it numerous times. Lando owes McLaren not the other way around.
@@christianhorner001 delusional
The thing is that once you put in place anti competitive restrictions on anyone from any team the sport is no longer about the best drive in the best car providing entertainment it becomes a train of sponsorship. F1 was so much more of a sport when the best drivers are going head to head. The sport suffers when competition isn't allowed because of some inter team rules.
There has always been inter team rules. Noob.
Lol tell that to Raikkonen, Schumacher, Hamilton, Vettel, Senna Verstappen, and every other driver who's benefitted from "inter team" rules. Mclaren will never be a threat to Max with that mentality.
@@jasonferguson74 how delusional can you get? It’s a TEAM sport, not an individual sport and the constructors champ is the priority to the team as that’s what earns them the money. The driver’s champ is secondary to that, however as Norris is the only driver with a chance of catching vapen in the driver’s champ. Team order’s are a part of the sport, regardless of whether you agree or not and have been for most of its existence, even when they tried outlawing it teams just had ways around it. Oscar has benefited from team orders this year when they made Norris let Oscar through despite a fair overtake. Take a listen to the messaging from the pit wall to Norris to understand.
Other channels are guessing that Oscar, being managed by Mark Webber who has experience being a second driver, has a clause in his contract that assures that the drivers are treated equally and are allowed to race eachother, rather than receiving team orders.
you wouldnt have a clause that prevents team orders, but i would imagine Mclaren gave him an assurance he wasnt a number 2 as part of their discussions - why wouldnt they, its how mclaren have always gone racing
Guessing.
Let them race. If Norris deserves the world championship let him actually earn it 🤷♂️
Exactly.
He did by being well ahead in points and qualifying.
@@adampetten5349let him earn it by performing better than Piastri, not by having Piastri hand him places
@@tfunkhou88 Points and Qualifying is performance
@@adampetten5349ok you win. If Piastri is ever leading he should be told to roll over and give up his place to Norris in every race 🙄
I love Lando… but he needs to get his elbows out more and get his first lap sorted. He’s lost too many places when those lights go out… Oscar not so much.
If you want to be world champion you need to beat the other 19 drivers on the grid, not just Max.
“Waa waa waa you should let them race” couple races laterrr… “waa waa waa don’t let them race”. It’s not a deserved drivers title if it’s not won with their own skills. Everyone looks negative on the Schumacher gifted wins.
Oscar shouldn't have let himself get 45 points behind and 14-2 down in qualifying then.
"Everyone look negative on the Schumacher gifted wins" lol you be careful calling yourself "everyone" buddy 😂 Why don't you ask the Tifosi what they think of Schumachers wins or literally anyone who thinks he was one of the greatest of all time?
Schumacher was my favourite driver at the time and still is one of my favourites and I consider one of the greatest ….so…..
Me generalising with “everyone” when technically should have written “most” still doesn’t change my point….
And Oscar being behind in championship points is irrelevant to Lando deserving free wins gifted
Completely agree with you Marc. There has been so much Oscar-bashing following the race that's completely unwarranted. He did what racing drivers should do - try and win. McLaren should have stopped this from occurring from the outset by giving instruction before the race. They also got beaten by a better strategy so fair play to Ferrari there.
Marc Priestley monologue - zero stop strategy 🏆
This is another great vidoe. One of the biggest problems is Lando not getting off the line. I am not sure what the cause is, but it's reoccurring. The ruling on Kevin Magnuson was extremely harsh and other drivers do similar things and not received any penalty. They have not been tough enough on his previous actions and now they take this action. It's interesting that F1 came out with an addendum to the rule on brakes and Red Bull has continued to fall back.
.??? Lando was first off the line and led into and out of first corner !!
@@51madmitch I stand corrected. You're right.
Most people don't realise that there are reasons why McLaren are racing this way and acting like they know better. Or are haters. Even you Marc. McLaren will win the constructor's championship and by a good margin because they have played it slightly safe. It has already been said that McLaren didn't want to risk a 1 stop and that's why. Ferrari had nothing to lose. Also it has been explained that McLaren let their drivers race. This is one of the reasons I love McLaren. I like both Lando and Oscar so it would be tough to favour 1 driver and I'm sure McLaren feel the same. People need to grow up and realise they aren't anywhere close to the level McLaren work on, which is the absolute top level.
Lol the top level that have won 3 races despite having the best car for over half the season. Can't wait for Mclarens hands off driver management to lead to their 2 drivers taking each other out and Ferrari winning the constructors
Thank you for your well informed insightful perspective
Oscar is the future, not Lando.
Agree Lando is very nervous
He definitely has the killer instinct
Correct. And McLaren knows it.
Sure but the future is next year, this year Lando is the one with a chance
Guess they'd better hope he wins more than one championship seeing as they are binning off this one for him
Oscar is an amazing driver , so cool and calm..you don't want to upset him ...Also it is ridiculous in F1 where they value drivers title more than the team ..l always say there is always handfuls of drivers and put one of them at best car he will win the championship.
You can see Max, so tell me what happened as soon as his car is a bit back, he turned into nothing...
A second and sixth in what now appears to be the fourth fastest car is still not nothing, buddy
@Roguescienceguy you may understand the F1 politics as they want to create a superhero that works for marketing. Lewis,Max,Nando,Alonso,Charles,Nando,Oscar ,if you put one of these in the best car, this one will win the championship without doubt... They are the best ones.
You can find more than one super driver to win the championship, but making the best car is more difficult in the current regulations due to the extreme budget caps.
At the beginning of each era, one team took a perfect shot and 1 to 1.5 seconds faster, so other teams could not close the gap quickly, like in old days where there was not extreme budget caps...F1 is introducing all these new restrictions but not implementing solution for negative outcomes.
I think a lot of people forget that Mark Webber is Oscars manager. Webber’s experience at Redbull dealing with Vettel’s reluctance to follow team orders, is definitely an influence behind the scenes, now he’s managing Oscar.
Agreed. Webber will be coaching Oscar to ensure he doesn't end up as defacto #2 like he himself did. Multi21.....
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I’ve watched f1 for a long time…if lando wins the wdc with Oscars help…I bet you next year the narrative would be …lando needs to be the lead driver…he’s got a wdc you know…and before you know it Oscar’s just the second driver..so you can’t blame piastri for not playing ball
Still too early in season to be selecting one lead driver. Piastri with his current form could win the next 4 races and be on 300points.
Piastri's form fluctuates from race-to-race. People have conveniently forgotten that he wasn't too great at Zandvoort.
Papaya rules surely mean lando has got to get his elbows out concerning his team mate regardless of mclarens obvious preference to winning the team championship over the drivers championship.
How about Norris just be faster than his team mate?
He got Pole.
@@adampetten5349 and yet he never leads after the first lap...
@@adampetten5349 too bad points are given on Sunday and not after qualifying
@@kaimaruta1428 points yes. Oscar had 16 races to be closer in points. now he should submit. Webber should submit his boy as he did.
@@adampetten5349 Oscar might as well not race then hey? Why hasn’t Lando lead a single lap 1 after he’s started on pole?
For Lando to deserve the world championship he needs to finish in front of Oscar not behind him and in front of the others. They should fight it out equally and not be helped by favouritism.
You are basically saying as long as Mclaren have 2 drivers who can fight each other they are not allowed to win a championship. Because when teammates fight each other when a driver from another team is in play they always lose, Mansel and Piquet let Prost win, Hamilton and Alonso let Raikkonen win. It was lucky for Mercedes that their car was so dominant they could afford to have a teammate battle, but if it had happened in 2017 Vettel would have probably won that title.
Why would Oscar want to accept being a number 2 driver?
Better question why would a team want a driver who wants to be treated as number 1 when they can't beat their own teammate over season and can only cost them a championship instead? Even Michael Schumacher supported Eddie Irvines championship bid in 1999 when was out of contention due to injury.
why are you saying number 2??? he is behind Lando in points like 44.. alot?? capitalize on the best chance as a team idiot, he does race for a team, at this point in the season oskar is taking points from Lando which helps Red Bull!!! Mclaren have to decide who Osker drives for McLaren or redbull or himself
It's called being a team player for a few races to help McLaren. He can't win it, so help his teammates to win it.
@F1Elvis by few, you mean just under half the season
@@kityhawk2000how do you know that Oscar won't actually beat Lando by the end of the season? Why would he give up on a fight he's still in the mix for?
Until Lando is only a few points behind with only a few races left and Oscar is mathematically eliminated then we can talk about team orders.
I believe without Oscars consent you are suggesting he is a number two with many races left, this is wrong 😂
Hmmm. Maybe just maybe … Oscar might just be the better driver.
I'm sure that the team are well aware and hence being very diplomatic. If they loose Oscar they will regret it
Yep drivers who consistently finish behind their teammate in the points are always the better driver they just don't like to show off 😂
McLaren will look extremely stupid if Hungaroring and Monza cost Norris the championship. They need to make tough decisions.
I agree
You really want a WDC who is only good at qualifying?
So you want McLaren to H E L P little boy Lando coz the little boy can't do it by himself! HOW SAD then if he becomes the F1 champion we can all say he is a champion with HELP
@@chrishalious8194 champion with help is better than no champion without help.
@@peterfighter If you are that DESPERATE? but also everyone would know without that help you would not be a Champion
Marc what about strategy surely at McLaren you would have had 1 driver on a 2 stop and 1 on a 1 stop second Ferrari just responded to McLaren pit stops early ?
Glad you’re back with these vids!! Question. What monetary impact would a Driver Championship have for a team compared to winning the Constructors Championship? Maybe this is their thought process? I don’t know but would be good to hear thoughts and opinions
I believe Mark Webber had it written in Piastri's contract for Piastri to not be treated like the team's 2nd driver.
Then it might be the most foolish contract since Kimis Lotus contract that nearly bankrupted that team. They had absolutely no way of knowing Oscar would dominate Lando and if you have a driver who contract says they are number 1 but they are not leading their teammate who has a chance of taking a championship they might as well be driving for another team because that how helpful that is
do you mean not help the team????
Well he is not a second rate driver ffs. His juniorvrecord is exemplary. No one will be able to stop him and why would they? Oscar is the champion of the n3xt decade coming down the pike with his elbows out. Why would anyone want to give Lando a leg up if he is actually not quite the WDC ticket?
McLaren have never had number 1 or 2 drivers? It's just about helping the team for a few races to achieve a title.
@@GrizeldaOConnor exactly
Lando is a sook
Thanx for the analysis. Lando has to be the number one driver, otherwise they will lose the driver’s championship. It is cool to let them race, but common sense is paramount!!
"lose WDC"? It's not like it is readily achieved. Next season #1 should be decided after a bunch of races where will see if Oscar or Lando is on top.
...where we will see... (I can't edit my comment for done reason)
(for some reason) 😊
McLaren definitely have a hard decision to make. But they should prioritize Lando. This opportunity does not come by very often so they need to bank on it. And as for Charles, congrats and so far he won the 2 races that matter: monza and monaco.
It reminds me of 2007, when failing to back one of the drivers meant neither won the Championship.
Hello - from Victoria BC Canada. Why can't McLaren see what everyone else sees - Red Bull can be had now that they have a "regulation" car.
Remember 5 years ago (2019) when Max called Ferrari cheaters during fuel-gate???😂😂 😂
Ferrari were in the position to gamble a bit on strategy and their gamble paid off. Possibly McLaren should have split their strategies to cover this off but maybe their car just uses tyres more than the Ferrari. Were they being complacent because they have the fastest car??? Monza is traditionally a one stop race due to the time for a stop being relatively long due to the pit layout. Surely all of the teams are aware of this... Obviously the track being resurfaced through a bit of a wild card into the mix but McLaren were too slow to react. Oscar looks more like a future world champion than Lando so perhaps this is why the team are not jumping to give out team orders. I'm sure other teams would love to have Oscar so McLaren will be wary of upsetting him. From what we have seen so far Oscar seems to have a higher ceiling of potential and complains less (he's not British after all). I'm a kiwi so have to put that last comment in 😜
Excellent drive by charles leclerc 🏎️👌
Oscar is a sensational racer. Lando’s quite good on Saturdays. Maybe they can use Lando to qualify and give Oscar a slipstream on the first lap on Sundays; not that Oscar needs it (no slipstream benefit mid-chicane).
Oscar triggered a domino effect that he did not foresee before he executed that risky pass. I suspect the Papaya Rules will be next to fall.
McLaren CLEARLY are only truly interested in winning the Constructors champ this year, they only care that the take 1-2 or 2-3 and it doesn't matter which driver is in which position..
well, you can care about winning the WDC, but care more about being fair and even handed to your 2 drivers
@@mutleyeng when you say 'fair and even handed' - in what sense? Lando is the only one with any sort of possibility of beating max to the title, but if McLaren put all their eggs in one basket with him, that will alienate Oscar, and vice versa should they give equal status to both of them ..
@@brianaitkenhead4526 fair and even handed means you let them race. the thing with F1 is that even if you are not in with a chance of the drivers title, winning an F1 race is still a huge achievement in its own right - it is not right to hire 2 competitive drivers and expect one of them to play wingman to the other with 10 races to go. If that's how you want things to be then hire one driver that is clearly not at that level. Thats the way Red Bull are doing it, how Mercedes did it with Bottas. Then team orders are easy. When you have Senna and Prost, not so easy (not saying oscar and lando are with the likes of senna and prost ... just an extreme example to make a point).
@@mutleyeng thats fair enough, but you are essentially saying that Mclaren will not be winning the drivers championship while they have two drivers fighting each other.. I still believe that the constructors is theirs to lose, but the drivers champ is gone this season, especially if, as you say, they don't prioritise Lando.
Yes, competitive racing what racing is all about, but not on the first lap with your teammate. What Piastri needs to realize is they are on the same team, he isn’t racing against McLaren, and if he wants to race against McLaren then he must do it from another team.
Where are you walking ? It’s stunning
Unless Max has a DNF in the last races the WDC is his to lose. McLaren are interested in the Constructors which they should win on current form. Oscar isn't interested in helping Lando win from so far back and neither should he. If McLaren don't want two Number 1 drivers then Oscar should go somewhere else.
Team orders should been to protect the 1,2 finish as that would have put McLaren ahead of Red Bull in the constructors fight, which is where the money is for the team, and then once they have built a decent lead in the race, then may the best driver win as they can both still mathematically win the championship. This is better than a Max vs Lando fight right now
I thought it was rediculous that McLaren didn't swap the drivers towards the end of the race, There would have been absolutely no downside.
I've seen some ridiculous comments on other channels saying it would "affect Piastri's confidence" which is so dumb.
Alienate your stronger driver over bullshit that only youtube pundits care about? LOL. Okay.
@@quigglyzhere is another one. Piastri isn't the stronger driver, he is behind in the championship and outqualified 15-4 in the season. Zandvoort too long ago to remember is it?
@@ab8jeh Apparently Zandvoort was long enough ago that Lando forgot how to drive like he did over there. And that race was an exception, not the norm, in Lando's season so far. It's useless to complain about how the team isn't doing X or Y to help Lando win the title when Lando himself is the one who is first and foremost throwing his own chances away. He needs to fix himself before any of his fans should be feeling like he's somehow entitled to be made a champion.
They should allow them to fight only after the start was settled
I really can't understand McLaren's logic at the moment sharing the points between their two drivers; it may give them the constructor's championship but it could well lose them the drivers championship.
It has been frustrating in the past too from their disastrous decisions in Lewis Hamilton's rookie year to the relationship with Honda where they put unreasonable pressure on the powerplant maker in terms of tight packaging in the installation and losing patience with Honda despite problems created by themselves.
I disagree, if they look back amd see all the lando bottling p1 they will think its right.
Lando has to earn that
The only reason the 1 stop worked for Ferrari is because the two McLaren boys were RACING EACH OTHER!!!! Charles was running his own race thinking he was screwd with his pit stop being too early and driving with the 1 stop in mind and when Landon and Piastri drove the nuts off those tires it was all over then. These two need to help each other to help the team and help themselves as well
Lando has a chance to win the championship, not Oscar. There should have been a swap. Every point counts. Bizarre.
Let them race
@@Slipstream_merchantlol say Max fans
Max has a chance to win the championship. Not Lando. There should have been a swap. Every point counts. Bizarre.
I fixed it for you . See how stupid that sounds? 🤡 Nobody owes Max the win just because he's leading. Nobody owes Lando. Nobody owes Charles etc etc etc.
Race hard. No team orders. Nobody wants repeats of the protectionist Schumacher era.
@@kityhawk2000 F1 fans**
Reality folks. Max will probably have to have 2 DNFs for Lando to have a real chance. Unless Max instigates / contributes a crash with a non-McLaren / Lando incident, Lando doesn't really have a chance. What is realistic, is securing Constructors Championship this year. As long as Oscar & Lando race each other fairly & don't crash each other out, let them race. McLaren wanted 2 number 1 drivers, they've made their bed.
At the moment all Lando needs is an 8 point gap on Max every race.....he got that at Monza.
To me its crystal clear that McLaren just dont give a flying about the drivers championship and hence are allowing the drivers to take unnecessary risks racing their own team mates. Zak quoted Williams in a post-race interview, saying that they are going for the constructors and 9 out 10 times the drivers will follow.
Almost unbelievable to me that thats their position and they have clearly just thrown away points that could potentially cost Lando the championship at the end of it all.
But it is what it is..
The stupid thing is, they're throwing away the drivers to win the constructors which is basically already theirs to lose...
It’s not even about a number 1 and 2 driver, it’s sure race but don’t compromise the team in the process.
Oscar was clearly the faster Mclaren driver in the race, but lost to the Ferrari - They, at least in the hands of Leclerc had the better package. It's not all about raw pace.
I dont agree with telling a driver to move over for his team mate because I dont value a WDC that is only won by those means - maybe, just maybe in the last one or two races.
Lando has to do better if he wants to win - this is his weakest season for 2 or 3 years when it needed to be his best
This is all about Piastri, something stinks at McLaren and with Mark Webber as a manager there is no way Oscar is going to be a number 2 driver if the past of Mark Webber has anything to do with it, this will end in tears and to be fare they deserve to lose it due to the way they go about racing, they have the best car on the grid with two fast drivers in them but they also have a new team who have no idea what winning is all about. I hope for their sake it turns round but for me even Lando's race engineer is against him and this will not bode well for them, I feel a Hamilton - Rosberg event like at Barcelona is on the cards
Zak the great salesman has sold Lando out!!
Let them race.
McLaren have bitten off more than they can chew with Oscar
Always look forward to your thoughts ! No B.S. Tell it like it is 🤘🏻Thank you🏁
If Lando Norris wins the drivers Championship this year he would be one of the worst drivers to achieve it
1000% but he won't anyways
Massa helped Schumacher win titles. It's part and parcel of being in a team. It's ridiculous that Mclaren are letting their drivers race each other - it's stupid. Piastri has little chance of winning the title. Do Mclaren not want a driver's title?
Massa has a WC does he.... Why would Oscar want to sacrifice his race to help Lando win a championship which only is a good thing for Lando and Mclaren and only really a negative for Piastr, cementing him in Mclarens minds as a no.2.
@@alexsmith32012 well, Oscar isn't even in the title fight this year...
@footyball66 in all fairness, Raikkonen won 2007 while Hamilton and Alonso fought each other within McLaren 😅
At least we can say the team is consistent and won't meddle too much with the drivers if the team is scoring.
The problem this weekend to me is that they wasted their tyre's chasing each other and had to go to a 2 stop loosing the race
@@RadeticDaniel at least the 2007 situation could be understood insofar as both drivers were a few points apart and both had a chance of winning the championship. That is not true with Oscar and Lando.
@@alexsmith32012 of course Piastri wouldn't want to sacrifice his race to help Lando. Piastri wants to race, but he's very unlikely to win the title. It's up to Mclaren to impose a team order on Piastri to not race Lando and to help Lando win the title. That's my point - it's up to the boss at Mclaren - it should NOT be up to Piastri. If Mclaren are the top team next season and Piastri is in a similar position to Norris next season - then surely he'd want Norris to help him. Helping Norris this season could actually do him a favour for future seasons where he'd be repaid.
Not loving the wind in the mic......
They should be free to race without taking each other out. Ferrari rolled the dice and just managed to hang on by just over 2 seconds. If they had stopped twice they would have been absolutely nowhere. Piastri is a class driver who can match Lando. He is not a number 2 and never will be. His manager (Mark Webber) will make absolutely certain that this is never a possibility in reality or contractually. If McLaren try that routine Oscar should ignore it and go for the win every time.
Lando has the talent to win WDC. Go get it and stop whinging.☮️
Everyone complaining about how McLaren manages its drivers when Red Bull loses 8 points every single weekend because their #2 driver isn't on Piastri and Lando's level. If McLaren loses the WCC it will be because their car wasn't good enough. If red bull loses, it will be because they signed a second tier driver to avoid having them race.
Hi Mark. Why would Oscar want to let Lando pass. Oscars in f1 to win. I can understand Oscar wanting McLaren to win the constructors title. Also, it’s possible Oscar could catch Lando in the drivers championship.
So you are saying Mclaren should give up on the drivers champion this year and should fire Norris and bring in a dedicated number 2 driver to support Oscar? Because that's the only way what you are describing can work. Oscar is 44 points behind Norris even if he overtakes him how does that improve things for Mclaren? How about next time Lando thinks I don't care if he's my teammate I'm not giving him space so we'll crash, how does that help Mclaren. Drivers who consider themselves number 1 are only useful if they are leading and Oscar isn't leading this season.
@@kityhawk2000 If McLaren want to give team orders it’s up to them. What I am saying is, if I was in Oscars situation, I would do the same as him. Racing drivers are not going to let team mates by unless they have too. It’s not in their dna.
@@Anthony-z7b3v I agree but sometimes drivers need to be told to do things in the best interests of the team. It's got nothing to do with Lando or Oscar's nationalities. If Oscar were 44 points ahead of Lando and 62 Max then I would argue Mclaren should back him. Even if Oscar were 4 points behind Lando instead of 44 I'd say let them race but there comes a point where a team going after titles needs to do what's best for them over a driver and what's best for Mclaren is to win both championships.
@@kityhawk2000 Yes you’re probably right. I was thinking of it through Oscars eyes.
I couldn't help but think why Piastri didn't work with Lando. working togetht it's most likely a 1-2 finish. Seems like they aren't a team but two individual drivers.
We need a disclosure for how many of these pundits have a financial connection to Lando Norris' rich daddy.
Norris is not the #1 driver... He is not a WDC... Norris a McLaren driver with a teammate who can beat him without team interference.
Except when he let's him through to win, as he was asked to do.
@paulaldis2970 I wrote:
"Norris a McLaren driver with a teammate who can beat him without team interference."
Hungary was all about team interference... If the team pit the P1 car first (as they normally would), then Piastri would have been P1 from L1 to flag.
Norris fans refuse to acknowledge how Norris came to lead in Hungary.
@@paulaldis2970 you didn't watch the Hungary race with your eyes open, and it shows. The team GIFTED Lando P1, then asked Lando to give it back because they screwed up Oscar's position with a terrible pit strat.
Have to disagree with you and most of the British punditry. Just because Oscar led the first lap is not the reason why a McLaren did not win on Sunday. The ifs, buts and maybes that they you have all concocted to support this view would be hilarious if it were not coming from the so called expert commentators. The only exception to this was the review by the Race who concluded that McLaren was beaten by a car that had been prepared to do the one stop as they had no chance of doing it any other way. Against the odds it worked out for them. Oscars takeover of Lando was epic and shows what a great driver he is and will become. He should be applauded for this and the fact that he was the quickest driver on track all day. McLaren's common sense decision to allow its drivers to race, just as Ferrari does, is not unusual and takes into account their stated view that they have two number one drivers both of whom (particularly Oscar) they do not want to lose. Chasing a drivers championship that no one knew was really up for grabs when the starting lights at Monza went out, was not in the mind of anyone except Red Bull who knew how far their car is off the pace now. I downloaded seedsteam BTW and it is great product so thank you for that and hopefully it becomes successful if not already.
In the summer break they said they would talk about WDC in McLaren - looks like they didn’t have that conversation as they are throwing away the CWC and WDC
Marc - you are correct about this. I bet McLaren and the drivers will be working this out for a while.
the wind in tthe mic makes this video unwatchable , sorry
I could barely hear it, strange
Sounds fune to me.