Wargaming what have you done...
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- I really hate the typical "OMG THE GAME IS DYING" videos as most of the people who do those are just hungry for views; HOWEVER this monstrosity of an update deserves some of that drama. CV's are beyond broken, and I really hate when people try to skirt around mistakes. Let's call it was it is. Hope it gets adjusted soon
FOR THE RECORD**** I have yet to see a screenshot of the supposed 489K but I have seen multiple sources say it; and PG got 398K so its very possible (I have seen 112 planes shot down and 5,100((ish)) XP from a Friesland.
So only cruisers, DDs and battleships are the only ones should have 150 to 200k damage in a game 😂
Yeah best I've done so far 140k in pobeda
@@m42darkhorse96 Cruisers, DD's and Battleships earn that damage. CV's risk nothing, require no skill beyond aim, no positioning, no thinking, there's no counterplay etc.
So to answer your question. Yes.
I have seen the mass damage in a video at legendary and I agree something needs to be done. At legendary and some at 7. But all are out of control no I don't think so.
There is some skill needed to play CV boats and there is a risk. Kinda Like floating up to a mountain and burning bbs down all game or tossing nuke tipped torpedoes.
10 years from now my kids are gonna write thank you letters to WG for allowing them to go to college due to idiotic decisions like this keeping me away from the game and thus not buying crates out of their college funds.
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You name hustlexz is name of a great great RUclipsr from way back in the day. He was the greatest non Jean Bart owner I have ever seen. 😂😂😂
Not me, i'm about to grind the F outta these CV's lol.
Go Pens!!! (next year lol)
@@ghettostreamlabs5724 brother I don’t know how to tell you this…we’ve both got a solid 10-20 years of saying next year before either of us are good again 😂
@@jasonaune6889 I heard about that guy. Rumor has it he gave up Legends to chip away at the very long line of MILFs lined up for a piece. Guy sounds like a Chad
Thanks wargaming. I finally got to say goodbye to your game. I enjoyed playing it for 5 years, even my girlfriend recently asked "Why don't you play other games?" Well, let's start today!
Legend has it that next month’s update will change the name to “world of aircraft”.
RIP WOWL unless they sort this out at the next update. What were they thinking, duh?
New spotting mechanic is great though.
People on Reddit are telling everyone to go to the next Dev stream and complain about this. I can't believe they went and released something like this when all the data says the community as a whole doesn't like carriers
@@Mike-8404it’s almost impressive
@@Mike-8404I like carriers
this cant hold for an entire update .. the have to make changes next week maxx
@@8shkayagreed, if I can't do anything in a full AA build Iowa before getting nuked by the carrier. I'm done playing now, they need to have a mode where CVs aren't allowed in.
Now, this is how you destroy your product! One of the biggest shit shows I've ever experienced in a game that I've played.
Boeing gonna get you for that opening comment man it was nice knowing you
Also in terms of spotting, I kind of like that planes dont spot ships for the entire team but I agree it gets rid if team play as well. Maybe just make it to where it increase spotting by sea where a 5.5km DD gos to like 7.5km when spotted by planes
(Aaron can no longer reply to your comments as he is sleeping with da fishes)
They made every CV a pre-nerf Ark Royal
How to Kill a Game. Just let Wargaming run it.
My first game with this dinted update shot down 50 planes in 6 minutes and the carrier still had full squadrons
So what? Before the update, a CV player on Tier VII could go AFK after 7 minutes. You could no longer actively participate in the game because you no longer had any squadrons. Before the update, playing CV was like self-flagellation, now it's different and I don't begrudge the players it. Who says that the current situation will stay like this? WG itself says that the update is like a test to collect data.
That's part of the skill of playing the class...you can't sit broadside in a cruiser, or rush in a battleship. If you can't manage your planes then trying playing better...
@@whereruaarondodging flak at 7 and legendary is a joke of a mechanic- when there’s 100 level AA all over the board, you’re getting deplaned no matter what you do. You beg need to tweak the values but this is the right direction.
Another thing that I don’t hear anyone talking about is them getting rid of the engine overheat mechanic means planes get to their target at max speed because there is no drawback. Reworking catapult fighters and spotters further dumb down the game.
This whole update is a fustercluck.
The Hakuryu drop 4 torpedoes now you can make more than 30k in one drop. The carrier produce 4 torpedoes bomber in 65 seconds, every 2 salvo of a battleship this is insane. What WG is smoking
I didn't mention that I love playing carrier now
i like the limited fuel and spotting change, everything else they changed can kindly F off
“I like that they made the game easier for me, I don’t like the ways they made it harder.”
New spotting mechanic has made stealth builds viable again.
Not really, you still show up on the map, but not spotted on the ocean. So we still know where you're at.
@@Potato-pl5cr as long as I'm not being shot. That's fine.
@@reggielavoie5048 lol I can't really disagree there
Xarkun was so proud that WG finally listened to the player base...The spotting mechanic changed the CVs into damage farmers, and caters to the already farming mentality of DDs. I got nothing but shit from his discord when I told them this was gonna be a dumpster fire. So funny yall are finally realizing it. Really balanced isn't it Xarkun.
I mean the spotting is better...however the damage output is what ruins it
@whereruaaron the spotting mechanic removes team play. I recommended that if CV aircraft are within the spotting distance of a friendly surface ship that it should increase its spotting out to 5-8km. But to make so that the carry can't spot anything for surface ships makes no sense. IMO
@@Nexesysagree. At least before this update, if you had a decent carrier player, you felt that he was part of the team, because he would hunt down destroyers as well as spot ships (as well as torpedoes) for the team. I give a 👍🏻 for the fuel limiting as well as a partial 👍🏻 for the new spotting changes. I think the spotting needs to be worked on some more.
@gregwilliamson3001 I never liked it. Concealment and spotting is the most powerful mechanic in the game. It was lame someone could sit in the back of the map with no danger to themselves keeping entire swaths of the map permanently spotted. It produced stale boring gameplay. It wasn't fun to do and wasn't fun to be on receiving end of. All it did was make sure nobody would move or take caps.
@pinkyskeleton5410 I disagree with most of that. Being a proficient CV player took skill. It's not like you saw CVs at the top on the post battles screens very often.
Also, you had to be dang near on top of a DD to spot them, and honestly, it was a BBs few defenses against a DD other than a radar cruiser.
8:10 A lot of people, specifically BB mains, will probably take extended breaks or quit completely if nothing gets changed in a reasonable amount of time. I'm considering just playing when each weekly havoc releases since it can be done in 1 session.
I get focused so much its not even fun anymore unless i only play cvs. They need to nerf plan regen and take away god mode consumable for planes. Basically aa means nothing if cvs cant be deplaned anymore. Cvs are only fun right now because they are dealing huge damage and basically have unlimited planes.when u add god mode to planes on top of that it makes surface ships not fun.
WG need to test this shit better before release. Are their testers so shit that they couldn't get a 400k game in such broken CVs even once?
You’re just on the same path as PC now. Saddle up it gets worse.
I know few supper testers who said “its busyed “but WG went ahead anyways
@aliveRaptor2929 that is horrifying.
On paper, the changes looked decent. And then the update came….
Love the new spoting, love the fuel. Restoration time and damage needs to be nerfed or remove the extra bomb.
Well it looks like I'm playing Texas, Gearing and Friesland only for the foreseeable future... Thanks WG!
Ahh yess perfectly balanced, 1 bomb drop from the midway and 20k + double fire
and?? We have seen 74k Citadel damage out of BB's how is 20k compared just a drop in the bucket.
@@sheyrd7778You act as if citadels happen frequently, a carrier can easily farm damage just by dropping bombs onto the decks, where a ship has to be at a certain angle to get citadel damaged from guns. It's a much different comparison
@@sheyrd7778 because that’s one drop, and with midway you can off 2 drops with ease. And you don’t have to risk your ship and HP for that. 😂😂
Congratulations war gaming you played yourself this update is the worst idea since greedo shot first you took out the one thing carriers did that nobody else does spotting they could've have made small changes to everything else and been fine I'm a Playstation guy and played dust 514 they made large and many changes and chased many players away alotta times game companies need to smarten up
While my attitude about it isn't as doom and gloom as most of the people anticipating this update, I am definitely glad I decided not to play yesterday. I don't care what the campaign ship is, I'm not sacrificing sanity for a computer boat and will just wait until they fix this. Plus I was already mad they brought back the 40k commanders as package deals only so I'll probably be stepping away from ships for a bit myself.
we need drastic changes for the carriers like asap other than that we are good
The reason they’re pushing carriers so hard is because they’re running out of real ships to sell.
I’ll keep watching your videos, but I’m not going to play for a couple weeks…then we’ll see
I'm with ya mate, maybe a game here or there and that's it
They got a whole reservoir of ships to add into the game that are all historical.
I tried a dozen cv's last night from tier 5 to 10 and I got High Caliber medal in almost every game.
My personal best 310K, Kraken using Kaga.
Every game had a cv. CRAZY!!!
Got the update this morning, played one game, quit. It's really just not fun to play right now.
Of course they tuned them up, let’s give them 1 week and I bet they will make ppl buy/whale to get cvs.
They done exactly this on wot pc, greedy bastards…lol
Seems to me that WG forgot to nerf the per-ordinance damage output with the additional bombs/torps being added. While I didn't see the server record game, I watched a video of someone putting up a 400k game in a CV. I mean, seriously, if Aaron can put up 250k, CVs are DEFINITELY busted
Yeah Boeing might send out the guy......anyhoo, they really effed it this time. The damage is ridiculous, the spotting only translating to that cv is literally stupid, doubling clear skies?? Huh? And I am not so sure they will actually fix this. From what I saw in game yesterday the money grab is working.....
Just like in WOT console..there the arty ruins everything..people forced to camp and hide behind obstacles and slow tanks are basically obsolete.. Now this...exactly same thing here..CVs were already annoying..now they prevent me from playing this again..disgusting!
they have ruined my favorite game . i don’t know what else to say
Some of the changes were needed, but they really did not need to buff CVs at all. Felt like they threw in unnecessary buffs to CV’s to compensate for the nerfs. Before the rework, CV’s were the most oppressive class in the game. Now they’re even more oppressive.
Well, looks like every non-CV took massive nerfs yesterday. I’m Taking a week off from WOWSL, then will check back in. The amazing design team needs to look at improving every AA skill on every ship for free. (Increase range and dispersion significantly, add AA resources for ships that lack). Giving battleships and cruisers better AA capabilities may help toward a balance and still give CV captain’s an improved platform
How can anyone pretend being 'SURPRISED' at WhoreGaming's antics, after all the years they've been shoveling them at/against the Players? Really?
The fact that people continue to tolerate and fund (ie, giving WG'ing $$$) is why they do this, and will never stop doing it.
I *DELETED* this game from my PC years ago, returned a FEW times just to see how 'Bad' it really became, then promptly *DELETED* it again.
Good riddance, and an utter waste of my time/energy/effort, but hey, if this is what folks find 'Fun', more power to 'em!
WG only needed to put in place the fuel consumption and spotting fixes. All the other mods were overkill. Like many others, I'm going to step back from the game for a bit (use AI more for Havoc). I'll be looking into XDefiant.
Ugh man, champagne was my favourite BB to play, I always enjoyed taking it out in lobbies full of meta ships. I had a horrendous time in last night, literally felt like there was nothing I can do even with AA builds and attempting to dodge in a relatively agile BB.
Ive never liked carriers tbf but this has straight out sapped the fun for me. Especially seeing as all the matches I was in the carriers were just farming Battleships. Thankfully xDefiant is out so I’m going to use this month to take a break. Shame I’ll miss out on d7
You know what WG needs to do? Treat this game as what it is, a niche game for a niche player base, stop trying to market the game for the masses, you’re dumbing the game down to draw dumb players to play, I know it draws new players to the game but they won’t stick around, meanwhile you continue to piss off your original player base and forcing them to quit.
to be honest, I quit call of duty because of this game, played with pleasure for 2 years, the only thing I hate are the carriers, after this update I turned off the game for the first time and will not play again,,, disaster
Yep not playing until they fix this garbage nobody wants carrier games anyway now they serve no team purpose
Perhaps a thought: I recall back to your videos on priority targets: like Caps, radar cruisers, DDs. I posit that CVs be added to the same priority as Radar Cruisers for their battle impact now. They’re slow, conspicuous and vulnerable when their position is revealed. A lot of players are going to be using the auto pilot to maneuver and position, which isn’t the best at navigating tight channels, etc. I’m wondering how much ship hulls you’ll save eliminating the enemy CV early off the board. Perhaps we’ve come full circle encouraging DDs to spot and torpedo the carrier like the first days they came out? 😂
Wargaming balance teams i'm sorry for them but they don't testing ships you still have somes ships are stilll unbalanced about 2 or 3 years or more compared to others ones but you don't or not want to see that and now you trying to do a CV REWORK Lmao well done...
Game is aging, common for games. What you are seeing is lack of devs, why? Aging game many will move on to new projects with other companies. Here we see lack luster content and suck ships this one being the top worst is a long time. This ships sucks beyond even playing it
The new spotting and fuel are the highlights everything else is just wargaming going off a spreadsheet and not player feedback makes the class super boring knowing there OP asf also this also proves we need better players in super test this wouldn’t have happened if they had actual carrier players in ST
Very true
WG HQ be like:
"Perfectly balanced, as all things should be." - Thanos
In my opinion to put CVs into console version was the failure.
i somehow managed to complete the 70% ships off in one day lmao
I hated carriers before this update and hate them even more now.
Having to run Nevada/Texas alot for the card collections, was nearly 1-shotted by a Ryujo torpedo squadron, definately needs a nerf either damage increase OR more planes per squadron, not both
Amazing! I swear the CVs have a brawler mode now because they were very tough to sink with gunfire too.
Lol. I know what game I'm not logging into this weekend.
Well I would say that's exactly the reason because only a small percentage play cv's.
They clearly overdid it, will see how they look with a tweak.
I think 1) reduce the damage and/or 2) increase AA/decrease aircraft restoration time and 3) minimap targeting reticle, and it’ll be a lot better.
Ironically enough my most played carrier the Shoukaku is mostly unchanged apart from the good dive bomber change as her bombs were borderline useless. She probably needs slight nerf to her restoration time 5 seconds at most as compared to Kaga she is in a relatively good spot.
I have a full antiair montana build and works, not very well but works, so maybe a little buf on antiair dmg or disperaion? I dont know, i just play for fun
If ur update makes ppl take time off...u f'd up
I think its half half, reduce damage at current stance by 40% roughly. and sqaudron health pool vs single plane. Make that less as strong.
Yeah I'm about done playing this game
The fix is very simple imho if CV's are going to have unlimited planes and this many planes in a squadron their HP pool and Damage output has to be drastically reduced. Ships AA range and output needs to be raised drastically and why was clear skies bumped up to 40 . Right now the game is just broken because of Cv's
My kast game a Midway was doing 40k damage owr torp squadron and was dumping those squadrons out in seconds. That same mlMidway chewed up a near full health Montana in about a minute. It's pretty hard to avoid squadrons now because they're faster, regen in seconds, have more planes per squadron, and have damage buffs. Nothing counters them now. I'm hopeful this change gets removed and reworked like crazy before it gets released again
I had a carrier broadside to me and I still couldn't get a citadel; I shift fire to a broadside battleship and get 2x citadels, I couldn't believe it.
Epic colossal disaster!!!🌹
I'm also enjoying XDefiant currently as it's new and by looks of it, i'm not missing anything here.
Good thing is, they added fuel and they took away spotting. It got redicolous playing dd with all the radar, sonar AND cv spotting around. Reason why 70% play easy BB, no need to bother with radar or sonar in them. But as you said, the damage is a joke and AA has been rendered totally useless. Braindead flying around now. IMO they should have just added fuel meter and maybe reduced spotting would have been sufficient. No need to change damage n stuff.
How does something this broken get past super testers, there had to be some super tester feedback that raised concerns that the CVs are too good, do they not listen to their super testers?
The changes are a nice concept, PC still did it way better where you have 2 flight modes, attack, and travel. In travel mode, the engine is at max speed but you can't see the ships unless your team is spotting it, attack mode you can spot the ship for your whole team but the engine speed is really slow. Combine it with the fuel mechanic then it's perfect. Put restoration time back to the way it was and add what PC added which is selecting the number of planes to take off with. Hanger size is fine but reduce the squadron size, I like that on some CVs you don't start with a full hanger.
Super testers are just looking for bugs, nothing else
I don't think the update was a failure, but it also was not asked for by a single CV player. This update was pushed by non CV players. Had a CV player been allowed to have input involved in this, they could have predicted this outcome. I don't even main CV's and predicted this outcome before the update dropped. It was that obvious. That being said, there are points you make I agree with, and points you make I don't. I have two videos out for the past two days. One predicts this and explains why, one analyzes the predictable aftermath. I will be dropping a third video tonight that is going to be a bit savage, but a brutal fact check to all the delusional non CV players out there who just can't seem to let go of their bias, prejudice and hatred of CV's. I have had a lot of discussions these past two days from the CV players and the CV haters. I have heard every argument there is. There is facts and math, and there is people's personal biases... I'm not interested in the latter. Good video. Hope you check out what I drop tonight and share your thoughts. Have an awesome day my friend.
Tier V is a mess too-I got two-three drops on TWO Nevadas this AM. I’m sure they’re not running AA mods, but STILL. I should maybe get two drops max. Edit: in a Ranger
Actually, I strongly doubt anyone is running AA mods atm considering they didn’t need to before. I wonder how things change when people start making builds to counter CV’s now that they’re a threat.
I don't completely blame WG because it's the cry baby players who complained about always being spotted by cv's and planes shouldn't have long flight time.
I say keep the new cv mechanics as punishment.
You can change the spotting mechanics without allowing each CV to have a tactical nuke
@@whereruaaron I mean, destroyers have unlimited torpedoes, and those are like tactical nukes too, but the damage output is unreal for the new CV update though.
@@whereruaaron Reducing damage will do very little to fix this mess because the new spotting mechanics have incentivized cv players to now be hyper focused in farming damage. Fact is CV players barely spot for their team in the past and now that incentive is gone.
Another issue is planes are much faster that ships and their AA have very little time to react. Lets not forget that planes also regenerate faster.
Deleted my WG account just before this dropped. Great timing 👌🏼
So why are you here???
Starting to get scared to ask wargaming for help balancing and gameplay stuff…
We asked them to help legendary tier be more fun and get more players up at that tier and the “Shima-pocalypse” happened. We asked for a carrier balance. And this happened….
I think I’m just gonna keep my mouth shut on balancing issues and stick with NO subs….
They should increase Aircraft repair time and such.
Biggest issue is the legendary cv's in my opinion. The rest of them I feel ok playing against. I don't use carriers so from that perspective I can't speak. I was a plane killing mofo yesterday tho 😂
I can't get how they let this happen. They know how wows playerbase things about cv and subs. And to see they give cv this update is wild. The spotting is really depressing. Cv spots a dd 6km away and I can't see him what a broken mechanic. I get that they want a balanced playerbase so cvs need a rework for XP and credits. But this updates just forces me to harrass people as hard as possible so they change it NOW.
That Rework... didnt Was Great Though throught.... i say they go back to How they where before the Update... It was way better...
480 is absurd im glad i dont have my stuff to play its packed waiting for my house to be finished being built
I think on top of rebalancing the carriers they need to fix these matches, implement some type of player based match making or mode in between ranked and standard that accounts for a persons stats. Far too often are games resulting in blow outs on either side. Imo, most players, especially at high tiers don’t understand the basic mechanics of this game, have little or no situational awareness, things that you learn as you progress through the ranks. It’s just not fun and it sucks cause this game has so much potential if they just tweaked a few things.
Also Brian still doesn’t have the Jean Bart… 😂
So, what can I say about this Update...
Well, Topic of Carriers.. My god Wargaming, way to destroy your top tiers, lol. The fuel change for planes IS a good change, I do like that. However, WHY IN GOD'S NAME, Was it necessary to jack up damage like that? Another change I'd like to see, is to increase Carrier Visibility further, while slightly improving their armor. This would allow them to be spotted but not Dec Struck out of the gate for getting Spotted, so Carriers take damage more often and it doesn't result in death every time. Perhaps a feature where your planes take longer to launch based on your remaining HP or Deck Saturation?
Onto the D-day event... Wargaming, I thought we had something, but you spit in my face. Why in the HELL, is HMCS Haida an event exclusive ship? Yeah you can buy it from the store, as an event exclusive ship. That isn't my point. Haida was requested almost as much as HINDENBURG. If you took a Poll, Haida and Hindenburg would probably be pretty close. For Haida to only be sold during an event feels like a MAJOR slap in the face. Haida is our USS Iowa, Our HMS Hood, hell, our KMS Bismarck for crying out loud. The Haida is Canada's PRIDE AND JOY. To be a Cash grab for the legends Community is a serious kick in the nuts that I really think that we should consider and talk about.
Carriers suck because they’re not bound by reality. They’re far too OP & they’re huge! They’re comparable to BBs in size & their spotting distance is half! WTF? There should only be a given number of planes per ship to be used accordingly. Once they’re gone, they’re just gone. Burning 100 planes per ship, per game is stupid & not based in reality.
I have a question or two or three....
Did CV mains ask for this?
The one's I know did not, but I can't assume for the entire lot.
It's a very logical and fair question to ask, did they want specifically this by majority?
Let's just pretend that I'm on to something and the majority of CV mains weren't asking for this change....then who did? The CV's seem awfully one-dimensional now when before they had an appeal toward utility. It appears that a CV player can simply damage chase and do enough of it to impact the outcome as it appears, at least to me, that a CV can create an endless wave of planes in a Lord of the Rings kind of way.
The thing that initially caught my attention was the speed adjustment for the squadrons, but I wasn't certain how that would play out until I watched a few post-update live streams, and it appears, at least to me, that that's certainly a significant problem now.
And it seems like the AA is not up to the task of dealing with that, though I suspect AA has been in need of attention for a long time.
The anti-CV bias has been an ongoing thing for roughly 3 years, and though I've never been a huge fan of CV's, I'm wondering if the popular bias against them helped create what we are seeing right now.
It's very easy for people to become entrenched in their positions and believe that they are correct, when all along they arrived at their position through fallacious reasoning. It's a very easy mistake to make. I'm no exception to it.
What I can say is that the previous CV arrangement was better overall than what I've been observing since this update came about.
I'll bet Wargaming's incoming messaging boards have been lit up brighter than the Las Vegas strip Times Square and Hiroshima combined...
I think what we need is an honest conversation about what was logically needed all along, through the use of critical thinking by setting aside our own biases.
And if anyone says what was needed all along is the complete removal of CV's from the game, well that would be a perfect example of a person failing to think critically, because the CV's are here and they're not leaving, so to argue that has zero value. It's an irrelevant opinion that does not take anyone anywhere at any time.
Now that I got that potential position out of the way....
The more that I think on this, it's seems, at least to me, that the AA mechanic needed to be reworked all along and ships that seriously lacked AA (ex: Ashitaka) probably needs to be given more AA even if it means going against an historical design reference, because it's a video game, not the Smithsonian Institute and it makes the ship logically attractive to pursue/purchase and most importantly play...because variety is a good thing, otherwise why have a ship in the game that can be easily exploited because it can't defend itself properly.
But that's just me.
We need a rework/buff to AA. IMHO buffs to secondaries should apply to AA as well. Think dual purpose secondary guns, it can increase range/accuracy/dmg if shooting at ships but not planes?!?
It may be a little overpowered, but tbf you’re showing a Midway game and legendary carriers were absolutely a joke previously and not worth playing with the plane health to AA damage ratio. Getting deplaned was extremely easy and pre-dropping down to one drop was tedious. This is 100% the right direction, they just need to tweak the plane health/regen/damage.
I could change my opinion with more play. I think it’s a net fail but I don’t think it’s as catastrophic as it could have been, they could have left plane spotting alone. Over all I think this will incentivize better DD play. DDs no longer need to fear plane spotting and can move around the map without everyone shooting them, Good. But the damage out put needs to be toned down and I do have an issue with the plane restoration changes. Cruisers can at least try to maneuver but this is a massive slap in the face to BB players. To the carrier players I know you aren’t going to be helped taking on DDs but you will still need to go after them and choose to leave alone the BBs and cruiser, sometimes the better play is going to be taking on the DDs and getting lower damage. Over all the changes get a thumbs down with the exception of plane spotting no longer spots for the whole team. We can be mad but like A A RON said, “keep it respectful.”
I have mixed feelings over the new spotting mechanics, but what they have done to CV's is absolutely idiotic.....! Did they hire a new developer with a drug problem and tell em to go nuts? This needs to be fixed soon or RIP legends.
The worst update that has EVER come to this game. I don’t even want to spend my limited time on this earth talking about it. We all know it’s flat out abysmal. But I have hope that this will get fixed.
But to all you battleship players(including myself). It’s time to learn a new class of ships.
I play all ships all tiers I like DDs, CLs, BBs, CV, and want all ships to be playable, so here is just my take.
I like that CVs can no longer be deplaned as easy. That was a huge thing at higer tier. Hence so few pop up in tier 6 and up, good aa on most ships. If other ships guns had to wait for each barrle to load like how CVs do planes that be horrible it take some 4 mins to fire again,
Now the damge per most planes was lowered but the squads were made larger for most. So the damage is more over all, if most get though it seems and they do. They could lower the damge again so if by some miricle most get thought the damage is at best how it be if they did before the update, and lower the health but not to the point of were all planes get shoot down in an AA bubble, also the damage they get most BBs can do that too and more efftive at it,
All ships have thier pros and cons and they are not the same. So stop the whinning about CVs not risking stuff, by not pushing in, stop the whinning on DDs concelment, stop the whining for CL fire spam, stop the whining how BBs can yeet most ships if the moment is right. Because all those things you do them to when playing those ships, and do not say you never do.
I have been a BB that yeets a CL, I have been the yeeted CL, I have been stocked by a nijna DD, and been the nijna DD, I have been on the end of CL fire spam and done it do others, I have been focused by a CV and been the CV doing the same. It is all part of each ships style or styles if you build someways, just because you hate one style of play because it not how you want it get over it lifes not far, this is a free to play game open to all, so if you hate what you see you can stop playing no one is forcing you.
Also is this just the Legenday CVs with this huge proublem as you call it or do the 7,5,3 have this to? If its just these 2 then a rework could be needed, but if the rest are fine then leave them be, because it seems most are on Midway and the Japan CV.
just had a round where I shot down 107 planes... and 155k damage. I got 4997 base XP and 1.5mio Credits. This is ridiculous.
If wargaming is reading this. Thank for really making this game not fun to play. I cannot fucking believe you allowed this happen way to fucking go. Do you really want us all to quit playing the game? It makes no sense. Why it’s like this. It should never be like this. Sorry but this is as civil as I can be a a ron.
Honestly, I think it's for me the best update they've done. I'm not joking or being sarcastic, the past couple of updates before this one I found to be boring grindfests. I was genuinely getting bored with game given you're constantly at the mercy of your team being good as well which a lot of the was full of potatoes, this was especially more so when you're an CV trying to contribute to the team giving your damnedest (and at times failing due said team not utilising the spotting you've been doing or so on) & trying to be as conservative with your planes as much as possible wasn't really fun in the slightest.
Now the amount of games I've been having where it got down to the wire has vastly increased, not to mention it feels so good that you are able to do more for the team now that you don't have to be a conservative with your plane as you were before (though you still get shredded by strong AA ships regardless). Heck even in games where I lost I was still able to give the enemy team a good bloody nose before getting destroyed is so enjoyable.
Also the Graf Zeppelin is really fun to play now! Another welcome change in my books.
So I just watched a video from beautiful muse today and she talked about the cry babies complaining about the CV rework. She stated that the carrier's were originally given utility but now they have been given damage instead. She believes that an AA rework is necessary to battle against carrier gameplay. I do play carriers from time to time, but I do not lose my mind over the game if a carrier is focusing me. It's just a game..get over it
I think carriers are actually...okay(?) Rn. But I believe the main issue is the AA mechanic. AA just plain sucks unless the ship is purposed built for it (like Texas and California)
I agree, and the fighter interceptors do not react quick enough or should have the range increased to do the jobs as intended.
@sheyrd7778 even when they do react they'll only shoot down one plane before immediately returning to the ship. As of right now the fighter is the single worst consumable in the game
The only thing I like is the fuel. Everything else sucks. There is no more deplaneing ? And a cv if that happens they’re bad. I don’t like I can’t spot that makes no sense. And the more bombs for less damage, they should’ve just made the careers a little more accurate.
What makes me laugh is, I still see cvs doing pre drops so they don't get de-planed.
Total balls up by WG and I'm a cv player.
Why the f ffffff did they take the 1st attack bar off the pobeda....
I got 5050xp in Friesland with 103 planes kills.
Lmao I would love to tell you that you got the record but someone got 5100 haha
I have no idea how the developers, or most likely the publishers, seem to believe that the changes\decisions they have made over the last year or two are not going to result in their total demise. It seems the majority of recent higher tier premium ships have secondaries with intergalactic range. The Hyuga was very obviously OP, and it's only gotten worse since. In the past I have left the game for months, but forever is now approaching rapidly, or may in fact have arrived already.
Had the time of my life using AP bombs today with the Graff Zeppelin. I like the rework, as long as I am the carrier. I won’t even play any other class until this changes
I hate this season already 3/4 games it's just CV's dunking on you while playing Nevada and the other half RNG not handing out citadels for British BBs
I think this is a right direction for carriers yes it can be dialed back a little but some carriers really really needed this like LT Carriers and Graf Zeppelin and especially Zuiho needed this those carriers were not great as premiums and their tech tree carriers were just better and finally Weser got a hp nerf perf plane my old build before the update my Weser dive bombers had 4,100 hp per plane and had more hp than even Midway dive bombers which mad no sense that a biplane had more hp that an American fixed wing aircraft especially when Midway is several tiers higher
This was a massive failure. They need remove the plane invincibility consumable, nerf the plane damage, restoration rate, and health. They need to buff AA fire damage and bring back air spotting of ships.
Its unfortunate that we cant select 9 cvs in the game i wonder how that would go 😂.
Next update they will fox this with removing the fuel consumption 🤣 and forget about the rest.
Luck will have it we can complete the campaign in ai 🤭
Spotting and fuel mechanics are good but everything else went totally wrong…i dont think this spotting mechanism destroyed any team play. You can still help your team. Dds will know where to spot for enemy and where to find enemy dds.
Well the spotting and fuel changes were good but they should have stopped with that Maybe a slight damage increase would have been fine but this is too much and its nearly impossible to deplane a CV anymore which I think should have stayed the same because they should not be able to lose like 50 planes and still come back with full squads.
As you said. They should have never allowed this update without testing it first, The only good thing from it is the airplanes have a max range and run out of fuel so they don't fly around 10 minutes after the carrier is dead. But taking away the team work and only carriers spotting is bad. At least make the ship the carrier is targeting visible to the rest of the team, reduce the damage, and not have an infinite amount of planes.