Thanks Dirk! At about 11 y/o my brother and I were given .22 rifles (no sights, no magazine). We were terrible shots, my stepdad got us a few rabbits with those little rifles - he never missed, we never hit.
Seeing the rabbits around here that freeze up when confronted, hitting one shouldn’t be much harder than hitting a target, which at sensible ranges is just a matter of practice.
I went to a military school in the UK in the 1970s. We initially trained on the No 8 as most of us - at the age of 11 - were shorter than the No 4’s that we moved onto at 14… :)
As a cadet in the 1950's I must have fired a few thousand rounds of 22 out of a Number 7 rifle. At 25 yards these rifles were extremely accurate on 6 bull targets that had a 1/4 inch x ring. 100 - 10x was possible all day long
I just restored a Cooey model 82! The chamber and bore were too far gone but I sourced a new barrel and after a few hours of judicious sanding and re-bluing it looks like new and shoots great! Love the full length stock!
I have to ask... How often do Canadians make the 'Blame Canada' joke? I'm sitting here by my wife, suddenly started giggling like a madman. I just could not explain how funny it was.
British person here, it amused the heck out of me when I went to Canada and someone addressed me "Hey, buddy". I didn't respond with "I'm not your buddy, guy".
Thank you for adding more info to my personal mystery. I have an SMLE No1 rifle, that is in .22 with a Long Lee Mk1* Bolt , single shot, no markings apart from a low three digit serial number. My current understanding is, 1500 SMLE No1 were issued for troop trials. In 1903 the SMLE was adopted and the trials rifles taken back. In 1907 , these underwent conversion to .22. I think it is one of those. I learnt to shoot on a 1898 dated Martini action, with a .22 barrel stuck on, and also own a 1941 dated Mossberg MB42a, a rifle specifically made in .22 for British Military training. I wonder how many of the 'modern' plastic fantastics will still be shooting in 100 + years.
1:20 I’m a little puzzled by the Metford rifle having shallower rifling because of black powder fouling. I had heard that one belief was that rifling came about as a attempt to deal with black powder fouling and it was only later discovered that it added spin to the projectile, thus improving accuracy.
As a pedant, you standing there with the rifle in your hands with a sign behind you stating "Absolutely no handling of firearms while people are downrange" while someone else is walking down range in the background is Monty Python levels of funny to me. Thanks.
Very interesting. I love .22lr training & target rifles. Most of the great powers produced .22 trainers. An interesting & fun collection would be an assortment of various nation’s .22lr training rifles.
Thanks for the overview. My Cooey 82 is a tack driver with a wonderful trigger. I don't know if a previous owner tweaked it. Stamped with C over broad arrow.
If you're getting that much oil out of your bore on the 1st shots, that's an issue. Before you go shoot, you need to run a few TIGHT dry patches down the bore, until they come out dry(usually 5 or less gets it done). Shooting a wet bore CAN damage your rifle. The oil or other liquid gets into the cracks and crevasses in the steel, then you subject it to a few thousand pounds of pressure. This causes a hydraulic effect if the oil/ liquid gets trapped instead of pushed out, leading to bore damage or increased wear. Repeated over time, this quickly becomes an issue, even if YOU don't notice it. Similar idea to water freezing in the cracks in concrete. Once or twice or just a little bit probably wont cause and noticeable issues, repeated over time, the sidewalk gets busted up.
Just a word of caution. Ross 1912 22 actions are not designed to fire high velocity 22LR. I know it seems minuscule but repeated firings with high velocity 22 can wear out the gun exceedingly fast. So much so that the bolt will begin to blow back after firing.
Training rifles in .22 lr, until few decades in german language called 5,6 mm lfB ( lang für Büchsen- long for rifles) had been a common thing in 1930s Germany, also civilian target Shooting was changed / militarized. Before wwl by german language target shooters single shot block rifles had been popular ( in current Germany called Feuerstutzen, in english Schuetzenrifle). Now before wwl socalled Wehrmannbüchsen ( about Warriors rifles) had been produced. This had been singleshot Bolt Action rifles in size , weight and handling as similar to Gewehr 98 as possible, but firing civilian 8,15 x 42 R target cartidges.
@@Justanotherconsumer : 5,6 mm lang für Büchsen was formerly simply german name for .22 lr, and both means the same. Cartidge .22 short was 5,6mm kurz, also there had been .22 rimfire cartidges long and extra long ( in german lang and extra lang). Also centralfire cartidge .22 Hornet was formerly in german language known as 5,6 x 35 Vierling ( a Vierling is a rare type of breakaction gun with four barrels, usually two shotgun barrels, a small and big bore rifle barrel). Formerly few german people spoke english, so simply german translations or newcreated german words had been used. No reason for unfunny jokes, we germans don't like jokes of uneducated people, wenn sie eine Antwort geben wollen, dann in deutscher Sprache, peut etre aussi en langue francais.
@@noyb7920 : At least US collectors use it. Some producers of US singleshot rifles for target shooters ( often also huntingrifles) produced for geeman immigrant clients a gemaniced version of their rifles, mostly with shoulder hook at stock, and a triggerguard with fingerhooks, sometimes even ,harp' triggerguard. Target shooters clubs are in german Schützenvereine, ue means ü.
I was surprised how quick someone can be almost invisible between the targets and thus creating an ultra high risk situation. Start at 00:30 and see than at 01:30.
Your Example of the Post WWII No4 22 conversion was not functioning as well as our issue versions I spent 2 years as a cadet using these rifles and qualified sufficient to go to Borden in 1960 Central Command and shot at ORA and DCRA at Connaught.
I have used a cNo7 with a Parker-hale 5c (target) sight, and Parker Hale front globe sight. Shoots like a house on fire !!!! The mag didn't work as a loading platform either.
J e a n I love your show you and your team's research is off the chain can you please do one on guitar amplifiers or loudspeakers PA systems you know microphones music stuff be cool if you did keep up the good work peace❤❤
There wre many falling breech Martini- Henry rifles convertes to 22 rimfire for school cadets in Southern Rhodesia. I think some of these old rifles were converted tobsotguns - by Greener I believe- and were used to guard prison work gangs by prison officers. Maybe these were the only fallinf breech shotguns?
I remember that shooting a .22 rifle loads with single cartrige seemed very burdensome to me. It is simply too small a cartridge to insert comfortably. A normal rifle cartridge is easier to insert, but the rifle kicks like a horse. I wonder why only the Japanese used 6.5×50mm for a short time.
Being from an ex colonial country (South Africa), we use to have target shooting meets called, "Bisleys". Do you know the name and, perhaps it's origin?
Not my favorite video you've produced but it was a nice change of pace from the typical technologies you cover. So thanks for a bit of variety to keep things interesting.
Not being a person particularly interested in guns for guns sake - I've shot a few different types when friends wanted to take them out to shoot. I have to say, while a .22 may not really be a gun guy's gun - I found them fun to shoot. Your not getting kicked in the shoulder all day and your ears are deafened. But again - I'm not really into guns. Another nice video though. Not into guns, but do enjoy the history of it.
I know its just casual shooting so just enjoy. However if you move your left hand further down the barrel as close as possible to the shoulder strap lug, and pull the stock firmly into your shoulder, you should see improved consistency between shots. Enjoy!
I have both a Cooey 82 and a No.2 mk4 both were 2" groups at 5 0 yds. The c.no.7 I used to shoot in cadets.of ten have me scores above 90 and on a memorable occasion 100,6x. Why did you touch the sights, if the were on since ww1/ww2 they should still have been right.
Cosplaying as a WWI era serviceman? Gun Jesus is definitely going to react to that, even if he ignores the Downfall meme. I have to salute your unique collab invite and look forward to the results...
i do not think it is a bad thing that there are restricted weapons. the idea that there is a .22 conversion for an otherwise behemoth of an anti-tank rifle is...amusing.
prohibited device? yeah no... it dosnt work like that.... possession dosnt create victim, no victim, no crime, no exception. you have every right to own and use whatever you want, wherever you want, your only obligation is to do so peacefully and safely.
"The target is 18 centimeters tall and designed to be set up at 30 yards range" How Canadian!
But is it bilingual?
Thanks Dirk!
At about 11 y/o my brother and I were given .22 rifles (no sights, no magazine). We were terrible shots, my stepdad got us a few rabbits with those little rifles - he never missed, we never hit.
Seeing the rabbits around here that freeze up when confronted, hitting one shouldn’t be much harder than hitting a target, which at sensible ranges is just a matter of practice.
Love the period accurate outfit, nice touch.
"Blame Canada" Words to live by.
Amen
I politely agree in the nature of that great people.
@@davidbrennan660 good people, bad government.
@@dddddyynHow most countries work.
More like blane Trudeau
Looked like a great day to be on the range.😊
I went to a military school in the UK in the 1970s. We initially trained on the No 8 as most of us - at the age of 11 - were shorter than the No 4’s that we moved onto at 14… :)
🎵🎶 Blame Canadaaa 🎶🎵
The songs started in my head as soon as he said it.
They're not even a real country anyway!
With all their beady little eyes, and flapping heads so full of lies...
Here's my people... Knew it would be here.
Be careful with that brutal recoil!
You have access to an incredible wealth of historical artifacts. It’s all so fascinating to see👍
Nice to be able to train with actual training equipment! I also appreciate the period clothing; somewhat jealous.
That's a really nice shooting range.
It's surprising what you can do when you are care of your surroundings lol Most countries look like trash,because they treat it like trash.P
As a cadet in the 1950's I must have fired a few thousand rounds of 22 out of a Number 7 rifle. At 25 yards these rifles were extremely accurate on 6 bull targets that had a 1/4 inch x ring. 100 - 10x was possible all day long
I just restored a Cooey model 82! The chamber and bore were too far gone but I sourced a new barrel and after a few hours of judicious sanding and re-bluing it looks like new and shoots great! Love the full length stock!
I have to ask... How often do Canadians make the 'Blame Canada' joke?
I'm sitting here by my wife, suddenly started giggling like a madman. I just could not explain how funny it was.
British person here, it amused the heck out of me when I went to Canada and someone addressed me "Hey, buddy". I didn't respond with "I'm not your buddy, guy".
I am a proud owner of an "Atchisson" Mark III AR15K10 the 22 Caliber Conversion for the AR15/M16!!!
Needs a collab with British Muzzleloaders (also a Canadian channel).
Great work mate 👍
Thank you for adding more info to my personal mystery. I have an SMLE No1 rifle, that is in .22 with a Long Lee Mk1* Bolt , single shot, no markings apart from a low three digit serial number. My current understanding is, 1500 SMLE No1 were issued for troop trials. In 1903 the SMLE was adopted and the trials rifles taken back. In 1907 , these underwent conversion to .22. I think it is one of those. I learnt to shoot on a 1898 dated Martini action, with a .22 barrel stuck on, and also own a 1941 dated Mossberg MB42a, a rifle specifically made in .22 for British Military training. I wonder how many of the 'modern' plastic fantastics will still be shooting in 100 + years.
1:20 I’m a little puzzled by the Metford rifle having shallower rifling because of black powder fouling. I had heard that one belief was that rifling came about as a attempt to deal with black powder fouling and it was only later discovered that it added spin to the projectile, thus improving accuracy.
You have to tweak the cno7 mag lips to make the feed ramp work properly
Absolutely outstanding video !!!
Thanks Dirk.
As a pedant, you standing there with the rifle in your hands with a sign behind you stating "Absolutely no handling of firearms while people are downrange" while someone else is walking down range in the background is Monty Python levels of funny to me. Thanks.
I have an old mossberg 44 and it has peep sights that are delicate ….but it’s also 85 years old and well used
that 22 ross looks handy and cool
Very interesting. I love .22lr training & target rifles. Most of the great powers produced .22 trainers. An interesting & fun collection would be an assortment of various nation’s .22lr training rifles.
A 22lr version of the SMLE was the first thing I shot. An SMLE of some description was the next. IIRC I wasn't bad at it.
11:15 haa haa haa THAT 2ND Silhouette! You must be a good shot! Every picture tells a story.
Thanks for the overview. My Cooey 82 is a tack driver with a wonderful trigger. I don't know if a previous owner tweaked it. Stamped with C over broad arrow.
Cool pieces of Canadian History
If you're getting that much oil out of your bore on the 1st shots, that's an issue. Before you go shoot, you need to run a few TIGHT dry patches down the bore, until they come out dry(usually 5 or less gets it done). Shooting a wet bore CAN damage your rifle. The oil or other liquid gets into the cracks and crevasses in the steel, then you subject it to a few thousand pounds of pressure. This causes a hydraulic effect if the oil/ liquid gets trapped instead of pushed out, leading to bore damage or increased wear. Repeated over time, this quickly becomes an issue, even if YOU don't notice it. Similar idea to water freezing in the cracks in concrete. Once or twice or just a little bit probably wont cause and noticeable issues, repeated over time, the sidewalk gets busted up.
Just a word of caution. Ross 1912 22 actions are not designed to fire high velocity 22LR. I know it seems minuscule but repeated firings with high velocity 22 can wear out the gun exceedingly fast. So much so that the bolt will begin to blow back after firing.
INDY!
Sorry, but you really remind me of Remy from the Adventures Of Young Indiana Jones! ;)
And thanks Dirk! ;)
Training rifles in .22 lr, until few decades in german language called 5,6 mm lfB ( lang für Büchsen- long for rifles) had been a common thing in 1930s Germany, also civilian target Shooting was changed / militarized. Before wwl by german language target shooters single shot block rifles had been popular ( in current Germany called Feuerstutzen, in english Schuetzenrifle). Now before wwl socalled Wehrmannbüchsen ( about Warriors rifles) had been produced. This had been singleshot Bolt Action rifles in size , weight and handling as similar to Gewehr 98 as possible, but firing civilian 8,15 x 42 R target cartidges.
Long for rifles, short for stormtroopers?
@@Justanotherconsumer : 5,6 mm lang für Büchsen was formerly simply german name for .22 lr, and both means the same. Cartidge .22 short was 5,6mm kurz, also there had been .22 rimfire cartidges long and extra long ( in german lang and extra lang). Also centralfire cartidge .22 Hornet was formerly in german language known as 5,6 x 35 Vierling ( a Vierling is a rare type of breakaction gun with four barrels, usually two shotgun barrels, a small and big bore rifle barrel). Formerly few german people spoke english, so simply german translations or newcreated german words had been used. No reason for unfunny jokes, we germans don't like jokes of uneducated people, wenn sie eine Antwort geben wollen, dann in deutscher Sprache, peut etre aussi en langue francais.
" in english Schuetzenrifle" That's an English word I'm not familiar with...🙂
@@noyb7920 : At least US collectors use it. Some producers of US singleshot rifles for target shooters ( often also huntingrifles) produced for geeman immigrant clients a gemaniced version of their rifles, mostly with shoulder hook at stock, and a triggerguard with fingerhooks, sometimes even ,harp' triggerguard. Target shooters clubs are in german Schützenvereine, ue means ü.
I am the proud owner of a BSA Martini cadet rifle ordered by the Canadian government in 1925. Excellent sights, long and heavy barrel.
I have one to. The stock brass disk numbers say it was issued to canora Saskatchewan high school cadets. They are great shooters
Your timestamps/chapters are still set like the removed intro piece was in the video.
The putties need work, I know mine do as well and they are a stupid garment…. Great video.
I was surprised how quick someone can be almost invisible between the targets and thus creating an ultra high risk situation. Start at 00:30 and see than at 01:30.
Yes, at one point I though it was an edit, bloke appeared out of nowhere.
Your Example of the Post WWII No4 22 conversion was not functioning as well as our issue versions I spent 2 years as a cadet using these rifles and qualified sufficient to go to Borden in 1960 Central Command and shot at ORA and DCRA at Connaught.
You are pretty good at this.
Congratulations of becoming a guntuber.
Great video
The Selkirk Game and Fish Association range.
I have used a cNo7 with a Parker-hale 5c (target) sight, and Parker Hale front globe sight. Shoots like a house on fire !!!! The mag didn't work as a loading platform either.
Training "plinkers" make a lot of sense. Pretty everything is the same except recoil, which just needs to be get used to.
J e a n I love your show you and your team's research is off the chain can you please do one on guitar amplifiers or loudspeakers PA systems you know microphones music stuff be cool if you did keep up the good work peace❤❤
Love the beard
There wre many falling breech Martini- Henry rifles convertes to 22 rimfire for school cadets in Southern Rhodesia. I think some of these old rifles were converted tobsotguns - by Greener I believe- and were used to guard prison work gangs by prison officers. Maybe these were the only fallinf breech shotguns?
I promise you, I blame Canada for an entire litany of civil rights violations.
I remember that shooting a .22 rifle loads with single cartrige seemed very burdensome to me. It is simply too small a cartridge to insert comfortably. A normal rifle cartridge is easier to insert, but the rifle kicks like a horse. I wonder why only the Japanese used 6.5×50mm for a short time.
This channel is shockingly unrated
IKR?! I subscribed within seconds after watching my first video here. 🤩🫡🐶
Yes it is
The channel has 100k+ subscribers and hasn't been around for nearly as long as channels like Forgotten Weapons, so just give it time.
👍
Being from an ex colonial country (South Africa), we use to have target shooting meets called, "Bisleys". Do you know the name and, perhaps it's origin?
Bisley in Surrey, UK is the location of the UK's National Rifle Association headquarters and range complex.
Not my favorite video you've produced but it was a nice change of pace from the typical technologies you cover. So thanks for a bit of variety to keep things interesting.
Gilles: *_"Blame Canada."_*
I do. AND our own *_ATF._* 😉
The bolt is louder than the bullet 😂
...No,it's been silenced for the viewing.No one needs to hear a gunshot.
huh Ian looks different this upload....
Not being a person particularly interested in guns for guns sake - I've shot a few different types when friends wanted to take them out to shoot.
I have to say, while a .22 may not really be a gun guy's gun - I found them fun to shoot. Your not getting kicked in the shoulder all day and your ears are deafened.
But again - I'm not really into guns.
Another nice video though. Not into guns, but do enjoy the history of it.
My cousin held a shotgun wrong once at her first attempt at trap shooting, ended up with quite a bruise.
@@Justanotherconsumer didn't seat the butt against her shoulder?
At what distance where you shooting?
30 yards was the spec for the target.
So, collaboration with forgotten weapons when?
It's only a matter of time at this point,right?
you know youre shooting .22 when cycling the action is as loud or louder than the report of the round lol.
All trousers should be like this. 👖
I know its just casual shooting so just enjoy. However if you move your left hand further down the barrel as close as possible to the shoulder strap lug, and pull the stock firmly into your shoulder, you should see improved consistency between shots. Enjoy!
I have both a Cooey 82 and a No.2 mk4 both were 2" groups at 5 0 yds. The c.no.7 I used to shoot in cadets.of ten have me scores above 90 and on a memorable occasion 100,6x. Why did you touch the sights, if the were on since ww1/ww2 they should still have been right.
6 seconds in laugh out loud that's our table we just got from Argos UK
ian is nervous :D
_Channel creator apologizes at the start of video for not committing a crime in order to demo an item_
_Canadianess confirmed_
Don't worry, we'll blame Canada!!!!!
Cosplaying as a WWI era serviceman? Gun Jesus is definitely going to react to that, even if he ignores the Downfall meme.
I have to salute your unique collab invite and look forward to the results...
Given the “let’s take this object apart and see how it works” similarities in the channels, it’s inevitable there’s common appeal.
Blame Canada!
Guns in Canada❤
Blame Canada.. lol
Taking another shot at gun content, again, I see.
i do not think it is a bad thing that there are restricted weapons.
the idea that there is a .22 conversion for an otherwise behemoth of
an anti-tank rifle is...amusing.
Looking at that outfit is it any wonder why the Brits had to rely on the Yanks to save their necks?
"Absolutely no handling of firearms while people are downrange" Uhhh, I'm just gonna give the benefit of the doubt and say that one guy snuck by you.
FJT
.22 is just so underwhelming to watch. Poof.
prohibited device?
yeah no... it dosnt work like that.... possession dosnt create victim, no victim, no crime, no exception.
you have every right to own and use whatever you want, wherever you want, your only obligation is to do so peacefully and safely.
You're a yank - right?
@@MicMc539 "negative, i am a meat popsicle"
@@ZOMBIEHEADSHOTKILLER That sounds just like a yank too.
Definitely must be a yank!
@@MicMc539 nope
And how does that work out for you in court, as your legal defense?