'Pure Farce' | How Brexit Changed Northern Ireland
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Belleek is a small town split by the border of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. This means that in many ways it finds itself at the heart of Brexit.
Ahead of the general election, i's Global Affairs Correspondent Molly Blackall visits Northern Ireland to see how Brexit is impacting daily lives and whether politicians are talking about it enough.
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"No-one looked at the wider aspects"? It was explained in detail, many simply preferred to ignore it.
Nothing was explained!! NO ONE knew what Brexit meant for the UK, except for fluffy lies from the deceitful tories and farage etc . Most people south of the border did. It was very obvious.
UK : We want to leave the EU
EU : OK
NI and Scotland : We want to leave the UK.
UK : Pi55 off.
#ScottishNotBritish #IndependenceisNormal
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The UK is a sovereign state. The EU isn’t a state. Get the difference?
@@aleph8888 The world knows this. What's your point?
A Tory MP said to me “we would love to get rid of Northern Ireland but there is no easy way to do it.” Ireland for the good of all its people needs to be reunited.
"there is no easy way to do it" There is NO way whatsoever, short of war, for Westminster to do it, not merely NO EASY way. For Irish unity to occur, the 1998 UN-registered Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement requires the consent of the people of Ireland (which covers 26 counties on the island) and, separately, the people of Northern Ireland (which covers the remaining 6 counties). This peace agreement also states that Northern Ireland cannot be removed from the United Kingdom if the majority of its people don't want that.
Rather than any MP or group of MPs plotting subversively to get Northern Ireland removed from the United Kingdom, they’d be better to wait for Irish unity to occur legally and voluntarily in accordance with the Good Friday Agreement, and in the probably unlikely event of that never happening, then they would just have to live with it. Living with it would be better than forced Irish unity entailing war within the UK, and invasion of the UK’s nearest neighbour to force it to join with an expelled Northern Ireland.
@@odunadhaigh Yes, that's what they mean. Of course no one from the UK side is trying to force NI out. It's just an awkward burden hanging around.
@@Spearca If NI is to many people in the UK an "awkward burden hanging around", then it's presumably because of its loss-making status. NI is one of 13 economic regions of the UK, 11 of which are loss making and 2 of which are profit-making. That means that there are a lot of "awkward burdens hanging around".
@@odunadhaigh I think it's mainly the politics. There's little advantage for a GB politician to have anything to do with Northern Ireland, and they're just tired of hearing about it. The party that just dominated the UK election didn't bother to campaign in, or talk about, NI at all. Unlike those other regions in Britain, NI isn't really part of anyone's vision for the country's future, apart from NI Unionists themselves, and even their resolve has been undermined by Brexit.
@@Spearca I do know that many people in Great Britain are indifferent to Northern Ireland's being in the UK, much as they're indifferent to Shetland’s being in the UK, or indeed any other 'obscure' part. They don’t think about these places at all.
You wrote “Ireland (presumably meaning the island of Ireland) for the good of all its people needs to be reunited.” This is a perhaps a strange thing to write given that there’s a British majority in Northern Ireland, albeit a dwindling one, the very worse minority of which hate Ireland and the Irish.
It’s commonplace to hear some people in Ireland say, on the very very rare occasions that Northern Ireland is mentioned in the work place or the pub: “I want nothing to do with that awful place.” Even some who favour a united Ireland can’t imagine how they’d deal with British politicians like Jim Allister, or what their effect would be on an all-Ireland Ireland.
There are huge political risks to Ireland if it’s united with Northern Ireland.. I think this is largely why unity is barely on the political agenda in Ireland. Lip service only is given to furthering a united Ireland; Simon Harris the present Taoiseach is a good example of this. Having the additional 6 counties to add to the 26 is not really part of Harris’s vision for his country, and most people are very well aware of that.
Hence your statement “Ireland for the good of all its people needs to be reunited.” is frighteningly zealous in the context of current politics and the British majority (albeit a more slender one now) in Northern Ireland.
Unfortunately, only 16,141,241 people knew that leaving the EU would be a bad idea.
and 10 million more that didn't bother to vote.
@@malahammerWould you blame them.
@@johnmc3862 I certainly do.
Everyone ignored Scotland, as usual.
@freebeerfordworkersIf you look at the demographics, BAME voters voted Remain.
Little England waggled its wee-willy-winky on the world stage - and it fell off.
There is a go fund me, for a statue of Jim mc Allister to be erected on O Connell street in Dublin, for his political dedication to a united Ireland....
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If you put a Kim jong un wig on him you would struggle to tell the difference between him and the glorious leader of North Korea. He comes out with ridiculous rhetoric, is a complete bigot and hasn’t seen the world change around him over the decades.
Best joke today
Ouch!
Plz stop 😂😂😂😂😂
English people voting for Brexit should have known that rules bind you or limit your actions but also give you freedom and leeway for actions. That’s the case nationally and it is the same inside the EU. It was the Tory party(members) which couldn’t stand the fact that other countries had a say in these rules. You see the same inside the UK, where England doesn’t allow other nations to have a decisional say in politics. The populous vote of England is bigger than all the votes of the other nations combined and the English parties won’t allow a change in this, like in other union countries. England has the majority in both houses. The UK is the odd one out here, where one country decides for all other countries inside the union. If this were the case inside the EU, there wouldn’t be an EU. You’ll have to give up power to come to a successful union. England isn’t ready to do so. Not in the EU and not in the UK.
As someone watching from afar I was surprised there wasn't another referendum asking for
1. Swiss/Norway like deal with EU with customs union and free movement
2. Unique UK deal with EU with customs union and free movement
3. Unique UK deal but no customs union or free movement
4. No deal brexit breakup
That would have put an end to everything isn't it?
Surely people would have rejected no deal brexit to say the least, and the government would have a clear mandate to follow.
Why did you guys make simple things hard?
Not saying my third world country is better, just curious why not take things to logical conclusion?
People in Republic understood it quite clearly,Only the gang that bang their chests and beat their drums didnt???
exactly!
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Dey voted to stay.
@@richardmoloney689 People in the Republic didn't have a vote, and are still in the EU.
Brexit was never explained to people properly ?! There were hundreds of experts that warned you about the consequences, from the UK, from the EU, from all over the world, but you listened to Farage who just said: project fear! That's it, somehow 2 words matter more for your vote than hours of logical debate and arguments.
People were told they could enjoy the benefits of being in the EU without the regulations. Either of those two things could have come from Brexit, but not both at the same time. It doesn't reflect well on how informed the British electorate was that so many of them didn't know that.
Aren't they the lucky ones! NI residents can get EU passports because they're entitled to and Irish passport!
Really unfortunate there, picked the one day of the year when it rains Ireland
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I don’t like people pretending that Brexit wasn’t properly explained to them. I also don’t like people pretending that it hasn’t been properly implemented.
Brexit has been exactly what every expert and informed voter said it would be.
Exactly, they knew they were being lied to and they wanted to be lied to. They were warned and said they had enough of experts.
Not so. Brexit wasn't explained accurately by any politician!
Cameron threw the referendum out there because he was scared that UKIP were getting too popular and to try and save the Tories, and his ar*e.
Cameron was so sure of the benefits of being in the EU that the remain campaign was almost non-existent and offered little to no explanation of the benefits of being in the EU. The Brexiteers took the initiative and filled this information vacuum with a load of empty promises and bullsh*t. Anyone, politician or "expert" trying to explain the potential negatives of leaving the EU was tagged with "project fear" or being " a remoaner". The leave lot basically said everything will be better, we're still waiting for the £350 million a week for the NHS! But that's apparently because we haven't had the "right Brexit" you couldn't make it up.
@@fitzcorraldo8570 Brexit was never fully implemented.
@@user-gl1ti5yz9p The ballot said leave or remain. Leave has been implemented. Whatever you fantasised Brexit to be was not o the ballot paper. More importantly, the referendum did not void democratic choices outside of leaving the EU.
@@samhartford8677 Never left ,Northern Ireland still under EU rule.
NI voted remain where is the devolved democracy.
The DUP are a loyalist supremacist group- they don’t care what the majority wanted, they just wanted to put a hard border back on the island of ireland and be ‘in power’ again.
And look at the types of people they had running that party. Arlene Foster who only seemed to know one word in the English language and that was ‘No’, and Jeffery Donaldson who’s in court at the moment for ‘allegedly’ sexually assaulting young girls in the 90’s.
They were never about democracy, just about using democracy to bludgeon their opponents to get their own way.
Er, the 2016 referendum was a 'United Kingdom referendum' the clue is, 'United Kingdom' not that difficult.
@jasonkingshott2971 that's such a cop out. The English always have gotten to impose their will on the others by sheer force of numbers. So much for a United Kingdom. It should be renamed English Willdom.
It was a referendum , which means under the uk constitution it had no constitutional or legal effect@jasonkingshott2971
@@jasonkingshott2971 So you don't think regional exceptions should be made in the case of national votes. In relation to "Northern" Ireland. Interesting. Anyway, why should anyone in Scotland or Northern Ireland care about the concept of a UK wide vote?
Brexit never explained to people properly. It was and you fell for it. It was always obviously about the Tory party and nothing else...
90% of Labour MPs voted to trigger Article 50 in February 2017. What kind of a socialist is a fan of the EU?
I shall explain; in 2015, a certain David Cameron employed a ruse to enhance his chances of an electoral victory. It worked brilliantly, and the said Mr Cameron won more than he had bargained for!
Incorrect. The official UK government position was ‘remain’. Cameron made the decision to call a referendum in the expectation that the result would be ‘remain’ and thus he would get rid of the ‘leave’ faction within his party. However, he ignored the fact that many Labour voters would vote ‘leave’. The 2019 general election result endorsed this when the ‘red wall’ traditional Labour voters voted Tory in their frustration that the post Brexit arrangements were being ‘watered down’! Notwithstanding, the post Brexit era has certainly not been smooth but it should also be noted that other factors such as inflation, the Ukraine war & Covid have had significant adverse economic consequences. These have been felt worldwide, not just in NI. But, not for the first time the specific politics of NI continue to dominate the debate surrounding Brexit.
@@brianbeag The government argued for a Remain vote after spending months slagging off the EU.
@@Denis.Collins A referendum on a vague aspiration is an utterly daft idea, but it was up to voters to inform themselves.
Eejit Tories
Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to remain but overall a small majority voted to leave, affecting everyone.
As someone watching from afar I was surprised there wasn't another referendum asking for
1. Swiss/Norway like deal with EU with customs union and free movement
2. Unique UK deal with EU with customs union and free movement
3. Unique UK deal but no customs union or free movement
4. No deal brexit breakup
That would have put an end to everything isn't it?
Surely people would have rejected no deal brexit to say the least, and the government would have a clear mandate to follow.
Why did you guys make simple things hard?
Not saying my third world country is better, just curious why not take things to logical conclusion?
We need to rejoin the single market, or the decline will continue and more young people will leave.
Northern Ireland never left the single market. 🙄Do you even know that there is a border in the Irish Sea separating NI from Britain and why it is there?😁
Stupidest comment on here. You are in the single market.
@@Patmofar and the unionists hate this 🤣
Can't join the single market without free movement. Sorry
Free movement is a plus, not a negative. In any case, immigration into the UK has risen since we left the EU.
I think there was a remain campaign as well how told the downsides or am I wrong.
As a european, I never understood why NI don't want to reunify with their southern brothers. I know the conflict has been very bad, but they seem SO irish to me, and SO different than the english that I don't get it. Also, when you see how little London do care about them, you would run away immediately. I really don't see any reason for them to stay with the britons. Any.
Over a 1/3 are Irish and have always wanted to unite with the south , but unionists who are descended from 1600 British colonists don’t see that people in Britain regard them as an irrelevance
Its actually very complicated. I will leave aside the orange/green divide and focus on jobs, welfare and health. Firstly almost 30% of the NI workforce work in the public sector meaning they are reliant on the British government for their jobs. If Ireland unifies, what happens to those jobs ? Will the Irish government find them alternative employment ? Can the Irish government afford to do so ? Now health. As part of the UK, NI is covered by the national health service. The quality of healthcare is open to debate but imagine you or a family member has a chronic condition that is treated by the NHS. Would you be confident that you would still get the same treatment free of charge in Ireland unifies ? Now welfare. Imagine you or a family member is disabled and unable to work and therefore is reliant on welfare support from the state. Would you be confident that the Irish government could continue to provide support ? There are many issues that affect the people of NI that shape their views on whether it's better to remain part of the UK or better to unify with Ireland
That is just so condescending
United Ireland coming soon
Man, I hope so 😊
It will always be soon.
@@aleph8888 And sooner than YOU think!!! 😁
The one and only true benefit of Brexit!
Republic of Ireland cannot afford the basket case that is Northern Ireland.
Éire 32 🇮🇪
Republic of Ireland cannot afford the basket case that is Northern Ireland.
@@malahammer not true. A few Economists have already debunked the myth that the republic can't afford it. The positives far outway the negatives
@@6Tghma
Also, keep in mind that the European Union will invest heavily in the north since, with unification, it will become European territory. Surely there will be a significant disbursement of funds from Brussels.
You nearly gorrit right. It's Éire, not Èire
@@malahammer
"Republic of Ireland cannot afford the basket case that is Northern Ireland"?
Constant repetition of your nonsensical slogan will not magical remove the 'non' and leave 'sense'.
The claim is nothing but marsh gas!
people voted for change and change is what they got but not the change they expected
brits out
Saoirse don hAlba
saoirse don hÉireann
If cross border trade continues to grow, and the south is 2x or even 3x the income of the north, young ppl from NI will move south, and NI will become more reliant on the south. At some point London will find it to their advantage to say, "hey, Dublin, can you pls take this on? "
"hey, Dublin, can you pls take this on? " The answer to any such threat from London will be 'no' because Ireland is one the signatories of the 1998 UN-registered Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement, as is the UK. A united Ireland comes about through a referendum in each of Ireland and Northern Ireland, both of which must pass.
@bikeman9899
"At some point London will find it to their advantage to say, "hey, Dublin, can you pls take this on? ""?
It would probably help if you read the Good Friday Agreement(GFA)....
It's only 35 pages...
@gloin10 I'm well aware. Any outcome in a border poll, has to take into account funding for NI. Many many unionists assume that London will continue funding NI ad infinitum. Given the fiscal stresses in the UK, at some point in the future, London may, just may want to shift the fiscal responsibility for NI to Dublin. That's all. The GFA of course governs.
I hate what the Tory’s have done to the UK especially risking “The Troubles” again in NI just to pay back the DUP for all the DUP’s support in the Tgatcher Years and ever since.
Basically this Tory Eton Swill don’t care what happens to anybody,even the Tory Voters,anywhere in the UK and now Starmer will have to clean up the enormous mess.
Milk trucks cross the border twice daily, to processing centres in the Republic. NI milk can still be incorporated in dairy produce in the Republic, freely moving throughout the EU, because of the Windsor framework.
NI students are still in Erasmus because the Republic pays for them to be, as is right.
Few realise that no original legislation has been passed since 1973, in the UK, in the areas of environment, public procurement, transport safety, water, wastewater, waste, working time.......because for as long as transposition of EU Directives, agreed by all Member States, was happening, nothing else was needed.
Now it's not happening in NI anymore, and nothing else to replace it, is happening either.
Arleen Foster’s husband send his milk to the EU? (ROI).
Does that shop not sell umbrellas? 🌧👀😅
As someone watching from afar I was surprised there wasn't another referendum asking for
1. Swiss/Norway like deal with EU with customs union and free movement
2. Unique UK deal with EU with customs union and free movement
3. Unique UK deal but no customs union or free movement
4. No deal brexit breakup
That would have put an end to everything isn't it?
Surely people would have rejected no deal brexit to say the least, and the government would have a clear mandate to follow.
Why did you guys make simple things hard?
Not saying my third world country is better, just curious why not take things to logical conclusion?
FFS learn how to pronounce Gallagher!
yawn
Scottish pronunciation.
Irish unity it's the only solution for brexit!
Republic of Ireland cannot afford the basket case that is Northern Ireland.
@@malahammer
Ireland is one of the countries with the highest GDP per capita, and you say that, no sense, mate.
Don't worry, money won't be a problem, especially when the European Union starts investing in the north.
It wasn’t smooth sailing for West Germany to incorporate East Germany, with disparities persisting to this very day. And that’s without the communal tensions that are a feature of Northern Ireland.
It will take time and a lot of money for the Dublin government to incorporate Northern Ireland. Given the security risks, you’d have to question whether it is worth it.
@@paulorocky
Of course, there will continue to be differences; the Republic is much richer than the North. But that’s not Dublin’s fault; it's the responsibility of those who have historically administered the territory, and that is London's responsibility. If there were no free trade between both parts of the island, the North would be even poorer. The necessary investments have never been made there.
Not only will Dublin invest, but the European Union will also do so. I'm sure that in the long run, economic and social development will be very significant.
@@paulorocky
What security risks? Northern Ireland has been at peace for 26 years. The unionists will have to accept it just as the nationalists currently accept the current system. If a few crazies return to arms, they will be repressed. The few radical fanatics are not an invincible army.
The 4th Field is coming home .... suck it up DUP 😂
The UK pumps £15bn a year into the bottomless pit that is called Northern Ireland lol. Imagine that. Paying so much money for such a grim hellhole of a place. Another brilliant Brutish success story.
Lidl rules
you'd think she'd put a coat on
Why do you put all that plinked plinked noise when some people are speaking...goes on...gos off..The bits without noise is quite interesting... So what is wrong with the human voice as an instrument..Bloody Annoying..spoils the piece..
Who would benefit most from a united Ireland? Who would have to pay more?
The inclusion of the first lady's argument is quite disingenuous. This video is implying that the lady has had to now switch to doing her food shopping in the Republic of Ireland (RoI) because Brexit has caused food price inflation in the UK meaning it's now too expensive for her to shop in Northern Ireland (NI). This simply is not true. What the lady is actually saying in your video is that prices in Lidl (in the RoI) are cheaper than at Centra (in NI), and that food prices in general (irrespective of supermarket brand or country) have gone up recently. Centra is a small, more expensive chain of food shops, similar to a Tesco Express. Both Lidl and Centra have stores on both sides of the border. Lidl is of course cheaper than Centra. Even before Brexit, people will have crossed from one side of the border to the other (both ways) to do their food shopping if the cheaper branded supermarket happens to be located on the other side of the Border. Cross-border shopping always has been a thing and always will be a thing. It's actually far more common for people in the RoI to cross into NI to do their shopping; UK food prices are 10-15% cheaper than in the RoI; go and do this video in Lifford and hear them all talking about 'how much food prices have gone up in the RoI' and how they 'shop over the border in NI where it's cheaper'.
There are loads of very good examples of how Brexit has been bad for Northern Ireland that could have been used; but trying to claim that 'Lidl is cheaper than Centra because of Brexit' is simply not true, more sloppy journalism from The Independent. Not surprising when you've got a non-local journalist who is seemingly unaware of local supermarket brands let alone the complex economic situation of which she's (trying) to speak about.
Milligan was right. This is Puckoon.
Im glad Brexit happened. Means a United ireland is now inevitable 🇮🇪
HA HA DREAM ON.
@@user-gl1ti5yz9p inevitable 😘
@@user-gl1ti5yz9p
No dreaming is necessary.
The demographics and economics were slowly moving Irish unification along, PRE-Brixit.
Brixit has put the process on Turbo.....
@utubeballbag The EU economy is going down and the Islamic Republic of Ireland will fall with it ,the world is returning to Gold standard and euros will be monopoly money
@@gloin10 your holes open.
Whatever gets a unified Ireland
The English dont want immigrants and they wouldn't want the Irish. Referendum please.
Not so; many English firms will recruit graduates from abroad if they feel that they're the best people to advance their firm's success. They'll certainly recruit Irish people, just as Irish firms recruit English people or Scottish or Welsh. Every year, England loses some of its own talented people who migrate out of the country, and it's happy to replace them by any suitable person willing to apply for jobs in England and, if successful, migrate into the country.
DUP eh.
It could do without the flubbadubba music.
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Ulster people are never happy.
You've not been to Donegal!!!
Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan seem happy. I wonder what's different?
Brexit was explained time and again. Johnson knew the petty predjudic 1:51 es of the British. He knew the BS you wanted to hear and the idiots followed him.
As someone watching from afar I was surprised there wasn't another referendum asking for
1. Swiss/Norway like deal with EU with customs union and free movement
2. Unique UK deal with EU with customs union and free movement
3. Unique UK deal but no customs union or free movement
4. No deal brexit breakup
That would have put an end to everything isn't it?
Surely people would have rejected no deal brexit to say the least, and the government would have a clear mandate to follow.
Why did you guys make simple things hard?
Not saying my third world country is better, just curious why not take things to logical conclusion?
Open borders work
First point made was prices, that has nothing to do with Brexit the same has happened all around the world USA, Canada, mainland Europe etc. The second man to talk didn't really make any point at all. Lady in the shop similar to the First Lady spoken to.. costs are up all around the world nothing to do with Brexit. Costs are equally up in the Republic of Ireland.
The people of NI have to decide whether they are British or Irish. The whining about "we don't want a border" is fantasy as long as NI remains part of the UK. All countries that border EU countries have worked out how to deal with this issue. Why can't the UK?
"The people of NI have to decide whether they are British or Irish" No they don't. Legally a person from Northern Ireland can choose to be 100% British, 100% Irish or a mixture of both. There are other possibilities too. Court cases have been fought over this fundamental nationality right, which prevents oppression of the Irish minority in Northern Ireland by the (dwindling) British majority.
"All countries that border EU countries have worked out how to deal with this (border) issue." So also has the UK. It's called the Windsor Framework. It's working well and is favoured by the people of Northern Ireland. Customs checks take place in the ports of Belfast, Larne, Warrenpoint and Lisahally, rather than on the 310 mile UK/EU land frontier.
@@odunadhaigh Unfortunately, such an arrangement means that the frontier is not subject to any immigration or import controls, either by the Republic of Ireland or the UK. Must be heaven for smugglers. Jeez.
Southern eire shudda left wit us.
I'd concentrate on learning English, rather than telling republic of Ireland citizens what they should and shouldn't do if I were you!
There's no "southern Eire", clown.
@harshbutfair8993 if I was u I'd blockade dem Irish ports as Priti Patel advocated. Put dem Irish in der bogs
@@richardmoloney689 Sure....
Ireland will be joining the EU army soon, they will also have to pay tax like the rest of Europe. It is the EU that's punishing you.
You're going to the front line soon Ivan.
@stevefitzsimons
Your entire post is a farrago of nonsense.
"Ireland will be joining the EU army soon..."?
No, "Ireland will..." NOT "...be joining the EU army soon...", because Ireland has an opt-out from any EU defence treaty or obligation.
In any case, Ireland, like EVERY OTHER, member state, has the power of veto when it comes to the establishment of any sort of EU armed forces.
Back in reality, their armed forces and the power to tax and spend, are literally the LAST thing that any member state will transfer to the EU.
"...they will also have to pay tax like the rest of Europe"?
Your ignorance is profound.
Ireland, like EVERY OTHER EU member state, retains the right to decide its tax policies. There are 27 member states, and more than 27 different taxation systems, in the EU.
"It is the EU that's punishing you"?
How is the EU punishing Ireland?
How could the EU punish Ireland?
Your relationship with reality is nonexistent.
It won’t be long now.