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  • Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
  • This guide is aimed at new warriors. If you feel I left things out, it is because I did not find them important for new warriors to focus on. I know most warriors struggle to play well because they are overwhelmed trying to utilize too many skills/mechanics and end up flopping. The route I am recommending is to start small. Fully understand and learn to utilize the mechanics I am going over, and only after that is it time to go further. I will get Part 2 up ASAP, where I will dive much deeper into the class.
    Wax on, wax off my friends.
    0:00 - Introduction
    1:04 - Pre-Awakened Skills
    5:55 - Awakening Skills
    11:25 - Part 2
    11:40 - Q Canceling
    12:18 - Skill CD Slots
    12:38 - Basic Cancels
    Solar Flare Dash, Solar Flare Heaven's Cleave, Solar Flare Balanced Strike.
    C Swapping into Shield Charge, Frenzied Dash, Chopping Kick
    C Swapping out of Slashing of the Dead
    Chopping Kick into Counter into Spinning Slash Movement
    Charging Thrust into Chopping Kick
    16:09 - Movement Drill
    18:40 - Part 3
    19:00 - Grab Engages
    Solar Flare, Balance Strike, Slashing of the Dead, Shield Charge, Chopping Kick, Frenzied Dash
    21:00 - Protected CC's
    21:39 - Utilize everything
    22:09 - Warrior Pressure
    22:29 - Solar Flare Disengage
    22:39 - FG Towards Enemies
    22:50 - Trial and Succeed
    23:24 - Combo Introduction
    23:42 - CC Caps
    25:29 - CC Flopping
    25:47 - Short DPS Burst
    26:08 - DPS Burst
    26:18 - Full Grab Combo
    26:36 - Safer Grab Combo
    26:47 - Safest Grab Combo
    26:58 - GD Catch Full Combo
    27:28 - GD Catch Safer Combo
    27:54 - GD Catch Safest Combo
    28:25 - Post Combo Disengaging
    29:12 - Down Smashes
    29:42 - Outro
    / goldsteinburg
    • Warrior DOJO (Guides)
    This playlist is a link to a list of videos I've made to provide more information for those seeking to learn more about WARRIOR! Check it out and enjoy!
    Newest Montage displaying Warrior's potential through reset combos both through downsmashes and grab resets! (When you slam an opponent down with ur grab it will CC nearby enemies with a bound that bypasses CC cap allowing you to reset the CC timer to start a whole new combo if they were at CC cap already!) • GSB - Warrior Mechanic...
    For more guidance check out this breakdown of a NAILBITING Arena of Solare round where you can further see how to UTILIZE OUR MOVEMENT skills in an intense PVP situation!
    • I WILL SURVIVE - Warri...
    For anyone feeling ready to tackle more and too impatient for the more advanced guide, head over to this video from ‪@rengo6639‬ to see plenty of other warrior cancels and tech
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    Warrior Discord Link - / discord

Комментарии • 116

  • @czechnigradprince883
    @czechnigradprince883 2 месяца назад +7

    This guide is by far the best class guide I've ever seen for bdo, amazing work dude! I would love to see the part 2, is it coming any time soon?

  • @seetwoh652
    @seetwoh652 2 месяца назад +6

    This guide is by far the most top tier guide I've ever seen for bdo, exceptional work amigo! I would love to see the sequel, can i expect it in the near future?

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  2 месяца назад

      Probably not for a few months at least. Waiting to see PA’s upcoming alleged balance updates including their eva balancing update which will likely greatly impact warrior comboing

  • @scarlettfox8207
    @scarlettfox8207 2 месяца назад +4

    Absolutely tremendous class guide, I've never seen something of such high quality for bdo before, thank you for your excellent work comrade! I can't wait for the second instalment, is it round corner?

  • @chroma2840
    @chroma2840 11 месяцев назад +3

    Love the guide man, been loving Warrior since getting back into the game and this just gave me a reason to improve even more. Thanks a lot for the guide!

  • @DelerothVT
    @DelerothVT 8 месяцев назад +6

    genuinely one of the best guides to a class I've seen, this has been a huge help thanks!

  • @philipterryt1584
    @philipterryt1584 11 месяцев назад +3

    best class guide i may have ever seen. so helpful it completely destroyed the dread of learning a new class. great player AND great teacher. thanks a lot

  • @aaya204
    @aaya204 7 месяцев назад

    one of the best Guides on Warrior ,Really well made Gold
    🔥🙏 appreciate it

  • @YARAKULA
    @YARAKULA 3 дня назад +1

    BEST GUIDE I HAVE EVER SEEN THANK YOU SO MUCH BRO. WHO PLAYS THIS CLASS BECAUSE OF GUTS.

  • @adenlynch2962
    @adenlynch2962 9 месяцев назад

    TrueAdos here bro, you know I'm a lover of Musa but have recently re-rolled to Warr and I know coming straight to your channel ide find the goods! Loving warrior so much and this has tipped me over the edge to keep practising and improving that muscle memory. Much love bro 💥

  • @diegofernandopoloche6923
    @diegofernandopoloche6923 11 месяцев назад

    An incredible guide, which was very much needed. Thank you very much!!

  • @randomcasualgamer5962
    @randomcasualgamer5962 11 месяцев назад

    Actually insanely good guide. I main Musa but I was planning on making a Warrior seasonal, this'll be perfect to learn the class the right way from the start.

  • @tgangel805
    @tgangel805 11 месяцев назад +15

    Ah yes we have a NA player making a Awakened warrior PVP guide video and a EU Player who has made one for Succession Warrior. All things are balanced as they should be.

  • @Scp_1147_keter
    @Scp_1147_keter 10 месяцев назад

    Thank you for the video and hard work I've watched three times to make sure I got all the steps and everything written down to practice

  • @elmenor7866
    @elmenor7866 8 месяцев назад

    Thank you for the guide!! Waiting for step two 🔥

  • @user-ph3dt2jy5l
    @user-ph3dt2jy5l 8 месяцев назад

    I'm from TW new player. It bothers me that there are no warrior guides. This guide is simply awesome. thanks!

  • @SRGgames
    @SRGgames 6 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you so much for this guide, gonna practice that movement drill all day tomorrow for sure! Super easy to understand, I’m lucky I picked warrior as my class hahaha

  • @James-fk2bv
    @James-fk2bv 9 месяцев назад

    Your awesome man! Thank you so much for this guide. I can now re-roll to a warrior!❤❤❤❤

  • @Mercury0001
    @Mercury0001 8 месяцев назад

    This is such a great guide and i love your humour. Instant subscription :D

  • @aviioz813
    @aviioz813 3 месяца назад

    I really love this guide, old olayer but new warrior main now, and let me tell you this is one of the best guides out there gj

  • @nevadabdo
    @nevadabdo 11 месяцев назад +1

    Good job mate top tier guide keep doing this

  • @Vulper
    @Vulper 11 месяцев назад

    Actually the best Warrior guide out there!

  • @badseedbdo
    @badseedbdo 5 месяцев назад

    such a nice explanation! thank you for this awesome content

  • @longballoon8287
    @longballoon8287 3 месяца назад

    You killed it with this guide. Many thanks.

  • @SilentSolvent
    @SilentSolvent 11 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you for this man! So good!

  • @androshernandez7515
    @androshernandez7515 4 месяца назад

    This is gonna be really useful for me since I’m a new BDO player in general but I’m looking forward to do PvP in the future

  • @hobotruth1216
    @hobotruth1216 11 месяцев назад

    Returning warrior here. Great video. The movement drill is super fun and fluid. Took about 30 minutes to get down as an experienced warr. Definitely helped shake off the cobwebs, preesh!

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  11 месяцев назад

      Awesome to hear ty for sharing! WAX ON WAX OFF!

  • @Luc9Nine
    @Luc9Nine 11 месяцев назад

    great editing, amazing guide, thanks

  • @SyvexDilecta
    @SyvexDilecta 11 месяцев назад +1

    insane guide! i appreciate this a lot, especially because i can now flex our movement combo nicely to my newbie friends by linking your video on the timestamp. there are a few details i wanna mention though that might be important as well.
    in basic cancels:
    c swapping out of slashing will almost always get you cc'd against an experienced opponent since awa to pre-awa swaps are unprotected for a split second. to smoothly flow over in full sa you can just hold shift+f right after slashing to SA transition into pre awa gapless with ground smash and from there into chop kick. that will never get you cc'd. (as you show at around 28:06)
    movement drill:
    the other pointer i have is that chaining slashing into your general movement will not make you faster, it just conserves some stamina. if youre going from pack to pack in pve, you best wanna keep slashing to jump into the pack youre about to kill (if its not a pull reliant spot). also q canceling balance strike before charging thrust is uneccesary complication because charging thrust perfectly links from almost anything. the q cancel will slow you down.
    the last one is very niche but maybe worth mentioning:
    grab engage solar -> grab:
    you suggest to q cancel solar into grab, but as im left handed (and im sure that mostly applies to left handers only) i have my right hand on the keyboard. it is a lot simpler and faster for me to c swap cancel solar flare into grab. i'd find this alternative worth mentioning.

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  11 месяцев назад +2

      These are all good points but for new warriors these are what ends up making warrior overcomplicated and causes problems and flops for the players. Q canceling balance even if you dont need to is the better method so you dont flop in certain situations by NOT q canceling because u Sometimes dont q cancel it. Muscle memory. Same for solare flare grab, yes c swap is more comfortable for you as a lefty maybe and might be slightly faster But building the muscle memory to always q after solar is more important for a beginner. Everything here is said for a reason. New warriors biggest problem is usually dashing too much. And i 100% prefer slashing over a dash for long distance movement, again for keeping muscle memory warmed up and to lean away from the bad habit of spamming dash - this guide is strongly modeled after the wax on wax off concept, even if it doesnt make sense its building habits and MUSCLE MEMORY for important reason.

  • @OlegTheBoss
    @OlegTheBoss 8 месяцев назад

    This is gold.
    A bit hard after facerolling in pve for a month, but movement drill looks so good I'm going to spend hours trying to get at least part of it.

  • @xopaxXx
    @xopaxXx 11 месяцев назад +2

    big pp man with the big pp guide for soon to be big pp enjoyers and the already compensating big pp swingers.

  • @edwardmaccallum9158
    @edwardmaccallum9158 11 месяцев назад

    was really waiting on this one

  • @BhaalChosen
    @BhaalChosen 11 месяцев назад +1

    This is the example when player know 100% full potential of their classes. only one word to describe him, It's A for Awesome. 💯

  • @KozarrX
    @KozarrX 7 месяцев назад +2

    We need that part 2 brother!!! I can’t wait for that other guide to come out. I’ve been wanting to play this class for the longest but was scared bc of all the mechanics but your guide really helped me through that and now I’m learning to play the class I’ve always wanted to play!! Thank you for this great guide! I can’t wait to see your next one. When you think you gonna come out with part 2?

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  7 месяцев назад +4

      ive been saying i was holding off on it until warrior got change because i knew they'd be coming, now they are giving us SA on reckless blow and anklebreak so its gonna be a totally different game haha so hopefully within a month, ill probably wait and see how warrior is with the buffs when they come out in 2 weeks and if i dont think we are ognna be getting more/losing them ill work on pt 2! tyty btw !

    • @KozarrX
      @KozarrX 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@Goldsteinburgokay awesome! Thank you so much I’ll stay tuned into the streams to see what you think about everything!

  • @razzaqi9912
    @razzaqi9912 5 месяцев назад

    This is so good!

  • @nchpanda1
    @nchpanda1 11 месяцев назад

    this guide is crazy good

  • @The7thdude
    @The7thdude 11 месяцев назад

    I just practiced your movement combo string, and I really like it. I went from Archer Western Camp in Kama to Arehaza and then back to Archer Western Camp. Took me 57 minutes and 32 seconds. Thanks for the guide o/

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  11 месяцев назад +1

      Haha idk if ur serious or not but i was gonna recommend that, i had clips of doing it across the world that i was gonna show and tell to do the same but i ended up forgetting to include it. Someone commented that u dont need to q cancel balance strike for charging thrust but the point of the drill is to build muscle memory. U q cancel balance 90% of the time so we put it in that way to build the muscle memory the right way. That string is some heavy wax on wax off muscle memory building and is well thought out 🫡

    • @dashan77
      @dashan77 11 месяцев назад

      Basic level. Do it until LoML.

    • @The7thdude
      @The7thdude 11 месяцев назад

      Yeah I agree, after doing that I felt my timing for Q canceling improving along with the rest of my skills timing. Good stuff!@@Goldsteinburg

  • @Him1995
    @Him1995 11 месяцев назад

    this is the most solid warrior guide, o7 ❤

  • @itsAuffy
    @itsAuffy 11 месяцев назад

    Easily best guide out there rn by miles

  • @booo_hooo2757
    @booo_hooo2757 11 месяцев назад +1

    i w8 for part second, good guide :D

  • @SpamAccount459
    @SpamAccount459 11 месяцев назад +2

    This video solo carried my Warrior gameplay 🔥

  • @fromnothingtoeverything1419
    @fromnothingtoeverything1419 8 месяцев назад

    This is beutiful. You should further break down each part of this video into full courses for each part.
    And maybe do vs videos where you go into depth vs other classes

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  8 месяцев назад

      its all planned its just hard to find the time for it. making sure all the info is accurate and useful is probably the hardest part, i definitely want to roll out some 1v1 matchup videos soon for sure - ty btw!

  • @Puddelito
    @Puddelito 10 месяцев назад

    This is pure Gold! ;)

  • @Jack-ly7ly
    @Jack-ly7ly 9 месяцев назад

    Great guide for a returning player like me, thank you. Also, I'm pretty certain the music in the background is like a more intense version of one of the battle themes from final fantasy X. I dig that
    Edit: kept watching, defs ffx music, fuck yeah

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  9 месяцев назад

      YESSIR big ffx fan here i try to show it whenever possible, makes my day when i see someone recognize it, AND they dont copyright strike the ffx ost, win/win 😊

  • @lianxinsolombos4888
    @lianxinsolombos4888 2 месяца назад

    wow. i know this video a long time ago but havent watch. it. but after watching so. nice . great so great.

  • @user-th5vl6ef1l
    @user-th5vl6ef1l 10 месяцев назад

    thank you amazing guide

  • @Kirikazee
    @Kirikazee 11 месяцев назад

    I aint even a warrior but i watched this. GoldsteinGOAT is the GOAT

  • @kit3505
    @kit3505 11 месяцев назад

    What a god tier guide

  • @noviadityaerlangga7845
    @noviadityaerlangga7845 11 месяцев назад

    Nice guide, thanks..

  • @treefrog9392
    @treefrog9392 3 месяца назад +4

    It's still sick, any word on the 2nd part?

  • @PandaNMR
    @PandaNMR 11 месяцев назад

    Good video man ! Here to help with the algorithm gods

  • @WasheddTV
    @WasheddTV 11 месяцев назад

    Great guide 10/10! Broke down stuff VERY VERY WELL .
    Too bad warrior hasn't been fun for me since rework :(. ARCHER GUIDE WHEN?!?

  • @hob6008
    @hob6008 11 месяцев назад

    Great Guide my longsword grew 10 inches!!

  • @MiguelSilva-ox9jj
    @MiguelSilva-ox9jj 11 месяцев назад

    Nice one !

  • @novber01
    @novber01 11 месяцев назад

    I can finally learn more from my master lets gooo

  • @hosuhvy7326
    @hosuhvy7326 11 месяцев назад

    LETS GOOOOOOOOOO THE GOAT

  • @Sergey60695
    @Sergey60695 4 месяца назад

    thank you.

  • @DynoSkrimisher
    @DynoSkrimisher 11 месяцев назад

    I found a cancel myself where you use Forward Slash, and after the first slash, you immediate perform the first attack of Heavy Slash, before immediately doing Forward Slash again.
    Not only is it cool to see but it's very quick to cancel into other moves.

  • @arkhybrid
    @arkhybrid 11 месяцев назад

    One main reason why I like and prefer absolute frenzied dash over normal is it uses your stamina instead of your mana. Later on when you get more efficient with movement you will seriously struggle to be out of stamina If moving fully protected hope this helps.

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  11 месяцев назад

      Yea as long as ur not spamming dash u should be good on stam. I was laughing at the frenzied dash part cause when i was recorded that i was streaming and we tested both and apparently one of them is bugged and costs both mana And stamina despite the description (i think the normal one) and there was something else wonky about the distance between the two. Was a fun time testing it lol

  • @zaidroxzaid9029
    @zaidroxzaid9029 11 месяцев назад

    I couldn’t make better damm god job golden👍👍👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @xvii7718
    @xvii7718 11 месяцев назад +1

    Did you mention addons? Other than that solid vid should help the new warriors get a feeling for the class. Nicely done gold👍

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  11 месяцев назад +2

      Didnt waste time on it since ppl so many ppl upload vids including addons and they havent really changed in years, or ppl can just pop in streams to ask. However i do plan to post a link for them in description ty for asking 🫡

  • @Channelcg-b8d
    @Channelcg-b8d 9 месяцев назад

    What do u think about succ worrior for pve n pvp?

  • @tyrix8081
    @tyrix8081 18 дней назад

    Is this Guide still viable today? Much love for the amazing work put into the video!

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  18 дней назад

      @@tyrix8081 yep! Only change is that ankle break is now forward guard

  • @allaroundclutch4621
    @allaroundclutch4621 11 месяцев назад

    LESSSSS GOOOOOOOOO

  • @yuvaleeus5eva
    @yuvaleeus5eva 11 месяцев назад

    GOATsteinburg

  • @stevonave
    @stevonave 5 месяцев назад

    Any update to the addons for this?

  • @freeridehustle
    @freeridehustle 9 месяцев назад

    Any update for outdated crystalsetup? Full pvp

  • @FRyuu
    @FRyuu 8 месяцев назад

    best video, but i want to know what skin is that in 22:55

  • @doyoufeellost
    @doyoufeellost 4 месяца назад

    Howdy, I am wondering. Does it matter what skills you pick for pve vs pvp for example when you level or can I follow this skill build from the get go and do good in pve as well as learn the muscle memory this way? What would be your advice in that regard?

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  4 месяца назад +1

      You can swap later on if anything, through single use items or a Book of Old Moon (cash item but they give them out often for free) and you can save presets to swap between at the Skill Instructor for free once you set up those presets. I assume you still arent level 60 but eventually you get enough Skill Points to get all the skills. PvP and PvE isnt very different, the only real difference is the Core skill you run. I recommend Grave Digging Core for PvP in this video and Frenzied Strike Core is the optimal PvE option, you can set those in presets or swap cores with some items/book of old moon. I hope that helps!

    • @doyoufeellost
      @doyoufeellost 4 месяца назад

      @@Goldsteinburg yep that's the info I needed, so main difference is digging core for pvp vs frenzied strike core for pve.
      I'll keep that in mind for leveling while I follow this guide for the other skills to use and switch up once I dive into pvp.
      Very much appreciate the assistance, thank you!

  • @kimaniowens3312
    @kimaniowens3312 9 месяцев назад

    Nice guide man I don't even main warrior and now it is my best class by a long margin. Also which final fantasy song did you use in the start?? One of my favorites just don't remember the name.
    Cheers.

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  9 месяцев назад

      ruclips.net/video/UeizZVg5T8c/видео.htmlsi=sEFY2kZ2KDqVaP0i i cant seem to find the exact one I used sadly but its "a contest of aeons" or "summoned beast battle" I think they use two different names on the normal ffx and then the remastered ffx ost or something, but man ffx is all JAMS i love getting to use their music for long videos like this, thank you for also appreciating FFX!

    • @kimaniowens3312
      @kimaniowens3312 9 месяцев назад

      Thanks Bro this has been bugging me for since I heard it after all this time. Now that I have the song title this track choice for a warrior guide goes hard. Context being an internal battle with your own warrior habits. FFX context being having to battle your own summons that you spent almost the whole game acquiring and using for every fight. @@Goldsteinburg

  • @carlosherrera6580
    @carlosherrera6580 11 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the video, I would like it if you could also share your crystals and relics presets I would really appreciate it, thanks and good luck =)

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  11 месяцев назад +2

      I have a few setups in my discord but ill link those when i update them again for the newer crystals, havent gotten around to it yet. Will do the same for addons!

  • @idk-bq8ir
    @idk-bq8ir 11 месяцев назад

    Nice thank you. Algo comment

  • @itsAuffy
    @itsAuffy 11 месяцев назад

    Hey Goldstein how come you don’t talk about the w + q + lmb all holding down at same time..(forward slash spam fast cancel) it gives u extra attack dmg amplifier and does decent dmg also I see u do it in pvp videos. Is it more of a fancy/style move?

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  11 месяцев назад

      its mostly for style, u can throw in 1 forward slash inbetween some skills to cancel them smoother and flow better but the forward slash spam is purely for style or just lazy filler, its not something important imo for a newer warrior, also most of my vids are pre-warrior rework which is when it was decent to use at least but now its completely pointless except to flow/cancel out of some skills better like to go into a c swap smoother or canceling ground roar for example

    • @itsAuffy
      @itsAuffy 11 месяцев назад

      @@Goldsteinburg i see. thanks for the info. Also, do you offer coaching like zoom calls or whatever? would be willing to pay

  • @johnstewart3251
    @johnstewart3251 Месяц назад

    I do good at cc but they don’t die we need best warrior build for pvp crystals, skill add ons, everything gear

  • @halfbakedjungle3464
    @halfbakedjungle3464 28 дней назад

    sir when is the dojo opening again I refuse to watch another master

  • @aznhomie2
    @aznhomie2 11 месяцев назад +1

    im a valk and i watched this video

  • @Zelectrocutica
    @Zelectrocutica 9 месяцев назад

    200+ FPS(stable) is mandatory, not optional.

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  9 месяцев назад

      what gives you that idea? imo 120 fps is the average for warrior to be played efficiently, i usually say having 120 fps in small scale is good enough, where if you're in large scale u drop to around 60-80 at lowest, when u are under 60 is when warrior struggles, so for example a good benchmark to see if ur pc is enough for warrior would be having 200 fps in BA, 120 fps when grinding, 60 fps in siege when 200+ people are on the screen, and 80-120 in heavier nodewar situations. below 60 most cancels dont work properly, and above 120 doesnt really affect anything except that it means your pc is running great while playing bdo so you are less likely to experience stutters/massive frame drops

  • @rafael3801
    @rafael3801 11 месяцев назад

    and for succ warrior?

  • @cain7925
    @cain7925 10 месяцев назад

    didnt know awake warrior can move like that. most warrior i fought rely too much on their q block

  • @mesta788
    @mesta788 3 месяца назад

    Hello addons pls.

  • @androshernandez7515
    @androshernandez7515 4 месяца назад

    Crystal guide? O.o

  • @chistm4stz77
    @chistm4stz77 11 месяцев назад

    HI I want a pve combo. thx

  • @Vesue
    @Vesue 11 месяцев назад

    how about crystals and skins ?

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  11 месяцев назад +1

      crystals are posted in my disc but are kind of outdated as I haven't played much and tested with the new crystals since ive been mostly just playing AoS since AoS came back

    • @Vesue
      @Vesue 11 месяцев назад

      @@Goldsteinburg hmm when will it be updated ?

  • @lnnay
    @lnnay 11 месяцев назад

    🙃

  • @alucavrausumea1054
    @alucavrausumea1054 10 месяцев назад

    #givewarriorfullsarecklessblow

  • @bowchicabowwow467
    @bowchicabowwow467 6 часов назад

    we have the same mouse XD that logitech g600 is the best

    • @Goldsteinburg
      @Goldsteinburg  Час назад

      broo i need a new one and amazon doesnt sell them anymore! ; ;

  • @Draethar
    @Draethar 5 месяцев назад +1

    I love Warrior class fantasy but man… What a nuanced class… Super high APM in PvP and not the greatest PvErs. Hard to recommend.