I feel like the Babs interview should’ve been prerecorded. It’s not fair for a victim to speak live. Especially considering the comments reacting live to her.
I think it was more authentic live. I genuinely believe babz' story based on how uncomfortable she was telling the details. She didn't want to me too them. She didn't reveal what edwin and salvo did together. This girl knows a lot more private stuff that she hasn't told. She only told the story about how uncomfortable they made her. I wish she talked more after the drinks started flowing 😆
I feel so bad for salvos wife. To find all this out and salvo is continuing to disrespect her and pretty much shit on her by embracing this and making a mockery of it. I'm sure her family and friends are aware of his social media presence, watching everything going on, I just cant imagine how she's feeling.
Amen, that's all I can think about. Is her seeing all this shit being said about him for the world to see. It would not only break my heart, but it's humiliating. Even if she's into the same shit, the whole world doesn't need to know. If she wasn't aware, it would be more devastating! It hurts
@@thehydromaniac8868 how does it NOT make sense? If someone says no, you accept that answer the first time and move on. You don't keep pressuring someone until they say yes. Coercing someone into saying yes is nothing short of predatory behaviour.
@@CatDadJai But that isn't the point. You're saying that if you say "yes" to someone, it still means you don't have consent. If I didn't want to do something, no amount of pestering or money would make me say "yes" to it. You're literally saying that even though Babs consented to sexual activity that it doesn't count as consent because they asked more than once. That makes ZERO sense.
@@thehydromaniac8868 there is obviously nothing I could say that could make you understand, because you obviously don't understand how manipulation, coercion and pressure works when it comes to certain people, especially vulnerable individuals. I say this with the greatest of respect. I suggest you educate yourself on this kind of stuff. Everything isn't always so black and white.
@@CatDadJai No means no. Yes means yes. Now, according to you, yes means no. Then you say I'M the one who needs to be educated. Wow, the irony. Manipulation, coercion, and pressure does not make a yes turn into a no. Only the other way around. Once it's a yes, it's a yes. Our laws run synonymous with that logic as well. Stop moving the goalpost on what is defined as SA and r4pe.
It’s like both Edwin & Salvo legitimately have psychological arrested development. Edwin keeps trying to get back to the wild Cyr-type life he led & Salvo is stuck in junior high with his grudge that the Pauls didn’t care to keep him around. I watched his face anytime he felt slighted (Augie, Nick, etc) & he looked like a sullen kid.
The life of a youtuber. Every single one gets with girls that are fans at some point. Edwin, salvo, cyr, Keem, etc. EVERYONE. Some go about it in creepier ways than others.
Hold up! Edwin went into Babs "forbidden room" multiple times, didn't leave her house when told to do so, talked like a child when was told not too, reinacted "handicapped" mannerisms when he knew her bro had issues (I have a family member who is similar to her bro and I can relate how that would feel)....and he passes her off to Salvo. He showed Babs absolutely no respect. That doesn't indicate that Babs really meant anything too him. Was he trying to do these things to establish some type of control by stepping over boundaries? That's messed up!
@NoLife well then if that's true then everyone involved in the story is lying then. Salvo, Edwin, and then Babs. But Salvo and Edwin have more lies on their reputation and thus are more untrustworthy. And.....the biggest bombshell Babs has talked about has been CONFURMED by Edwin. A affair happened. And Salvo wife appears to be divorcing him. Maybe they can work and patch things up. But time will tell. And if she is actually planning a divorce now but reconciles I already can see a potential narrative about the rumors of the divorce being inaccurate. But to me that affair confirmation is the most significant part of the story. These other details are irrelevant because people's lives have been negatively affected. That's the real focus or should be the focus. Nice try at diverting the narrative but that won't work with me. You have to give me something better than talking about stupid dms. Babs recollection of those dms doesn't excuse her failure in this story either. She done goofed too. But the scales of "truth" are still weighing on her side for the majority of the things that have been confirmed. She was still treated horribly.
@Elsa I forgot to include that one. That was still disrespectful to make a scene like that. I'm not sure about the context but at that point it making a scene like and having babs wanting to probably crawl under a rock isn't wooing her much less anyone really lol
BABS W She’s the reason we had this stream today On that stream with babs and Edwin I commented about how creepy Edwin was acting with her. It’s was cringe and creepy and as soon as I heard they all got drunk afterward I got a little worried for babs. Edwin has major creepy vibes especially when he gets a little drank in him.
Thank you to Paige Christie for saying exactly how I've felt about Edwin for over a year. I got so much shit from the Commentary community for calling out John Swan and edwin before it was cool. Its so nice knowing that everybody now knows what we've known for ages
It's crazy to think that even with everything happening with salvo, edwin somehow managed to come out looking even worse. And yet that's exactly what happened. Salvo seems like the generic creep and I don't feel bad for girls who chatted with him online because he made it clear he was weird and also that he was married, numerous times. I feel awful for his wife. Babs on the other hand was put into all this because of edwin. And then the moment salvo is being canceled, Edwin knows the babs stuff will leak because babs been talking to keemstar and Edwin takes measures to do Damage control and hop in dms with nick, bowblax, keem, augie, everyone... saying babs is a wh0re and a clout chaser and a liar. To discredit her before she can speak. Whether he's predatory or not he's AT BEST an ahole and this is Mr nice sensitivity guy? Mr 75% female audience guy? Bro. This guy talked to babs daily for months hours a day and then threw her right under the mf bus. He's the one in dms with mad people, not her. How can edwin survive this, honestly? He is more optics obsessed than EVERYONE he's claimed that about. He is fake he's a coward and he's the biggest loser in all of this. I wonder how Eva will react next broadcast honestly and I wonder how vanluc will react as she felt very sorry Edwin was being picked on in all of this. Edwin fooled a lot of women. Very shocking twist of events in this story wow haha
So when they were going on and on abt "excessive consent" (wtf??) in other interviews, what they _really_ meant was, "we kept pestering the living fuck out of her till she said yes." 🤦🏽♀️ FFS. That's not enthusiastic consent, that's coercion.
I kind of always suspected Salvo wasn't putting on an act and he was just some crazy asshole...but Edwin was one of my favorite youtubers for a long time, even a member of his channel on and off for almost a year. He's been changing his content as well as his character seems to be changing this past year or so, and its not changing for the better. Feeling super Ick about him lately and seeing how he handled this whole situation is super disappointing. Also sending all the love to Babs ❤
Forced/coerced consent is not consent. Pestering someone into consent is not consent. If you're uncomfortable in a sexual situation, that's not consent. You may be saying yes, but your brain and body are telling you no, that's why you're feeling such discomfort with it. This makes me see Salvo and Edwin in such a fucked up light. I feel stupid that I ever thought these were decent people (Edwin, in particular).
If someone is not actually threatening you, literally or implied, and you are TELLING THEM "YES", wtf are they supposed to do, read your mind? I thought that autistic people can't always pick up on social cues, if you tell an autistic person "yes", are they a rapist now? Isn't that ABLEISM? 😝 but seriously, you have a responsibility over your own body and modesty. You have the responsibility to say no when someone propositions you. If you're uncomfortable by someone, you have the responsibility to tell them. Regret is not rape.
So they ran a train on babs, high fives and lots of “GET DAT SHITE BRO”. Then they had gay sex and all of a sudden they were weirded out? This story is really something
Good on her for not caving like they were practically begging her to. So many females, including myself, eventually cave just because you feel cornered and like there’s no way out so you just do IT to make it stop and move past out. But they do it again as soon as they’re ready.
Keem they can’t cancel you for the gay jokes bc Edwin openly admitted way back on “Edwin & Mina” channel that he was openly bi. I thought it was weird that he started pretending anything otherwise bc he’s literally said it on his videos years ago. It’s not a secret and never was. Hey edit after I finished the stream: the video where he talks about ddlg & age play is the same video I mentioned where he says he’s bi.
He went from saying that he's bi, to saying that he's straight, to being vague about it and saying that he's just "not straight" but explicitly calling himself bi. Either way, it was fucking obvious to the world that he was bi. He's had girlfriends, and then he got topless with Salvo and made out with him. No-one does that just for a bit.
Oh shit!! I could’ve sworn in recent years when people ragged on him for being gay, jokingly, he claimed he was strictly straight. But i also have this problem where i think things happened or remember myself putting something somewhere and it’s definitely not there so I guess this was one of those things lol. I’m not crazy I swear. But i did always wonder. Because it’s clear.
I personally have never been a fan of Keemstar and have never watched any of his videos until this whole Salvo thing started, and I have to admit I feel that changing. I was fully prepared to see Keem play all of this entire awful situation off as just Salvo being Salvo, so I'm pleasantly surprised to be wrong, especially considering that y'all were genuinely friends. More than anything though I'm disappointed in Edwin.😤 I have only recently started joining in on Edwin's streams and tho definitely not perfect, he seemed like a good guy with his heart in the right place. To hear about everything he was directly involved in goes against everything I believe in. Screw Edwin and screw Salvo. They deserve each other.👎
Saved this video to watch/listen to at the gym and I'm very happy I did. Thoroughly entertained! Also Brantley Jesus I'm so sorry you must feel so violated! What did you do with your dresses?
I was wondering if the whole 'Is Edwin and Salvo gay for each other' was just a joke.. but if Edwin was pawning off a girl as hot as Babs to other dudes pretty much confirms that dude is James Charles levels of gay. Babs is gorgeous.
Also why would babs want clout? I mean I don't even think she has a channel or anything. And people thinking she is accusing them of stuff worst than she is saying proves how bad that behaviour is, like yeah its not totally bad but to me hearing this I am just like.... That sound like the warning signs of getting S3×traf1c if you get what I mean... Like p1mp3d I'm kinda pissed too that Edwin is saying he is a victim of Salvo like wtf
I don't get it.. So these women consensually sexted with a married man and they're the victim..? They made the decision to do it, how were they victimised? Its a bit of a slap in the face to women who were actually assaulted
@@Eggpicker im not making excuses for salvo, im just asking how a woman who consented to sexting is a victim because she sexted with someone who ended up being a weirdo
@@ashemberson2318 homie no one said he’s a predator he’s just a major creep and sex pest? not much better if u ask me but if you wanna get specific for some weird ass reason.
Who asks for consent that much?At some point in becomes like a joke. I could totally see Edwin like " HAHA(edwins fake laugh) you're consenting right!? HAHA! Just making sure! HAHA!"
Thanks for this video! My only complain is it feels like your co-host is just here... You're not trying to have a back and forth with her and like, she barely talks... You should try to talk more with her or let her talk, maybe script a bit so that she knows what are the big stuff you want to say and in what order
So close to becoming a fan, but the vomit gesture towards Nile empowering women telling them not to feel like less was distasteful. Women in these situations need to hear this not only Babs but listeners too. It’s dismissive and takes away from a strong message others can experience. You don’t have to love it but don’t take that moment away from someone who needs it. If you cut that out I’d love that for you! I’m still hanging in there and watching your videos. Thank you for covering this.
I wonder how the security situation is for Babs since Edwin has been to her house? I don't know if Edwin would have shared that with Salvo. At the very least he could dox her. I hope that doesn't happen. Geez
This is the very first _anything_ of Keemstar I've ever watched, and I'm incredibly surprised by the coverage. Not so surprised by the many, many garbage incel POS's and Salvo piss-garglers in the chat and comments, tho. I'm glad most call-ins were kind and supportive; Babs seemed... sad, and uncomfortable. Poor thing. EDIT: ofc the first thing Flamenco talks abt (defends) is DDLG/age-play, and then immediately lies abt his own history; I only just heard abt this dude recently, but wow, yeah. Real shocker, there lmao
i feel so terrible for Babs. its pretty clear in my opinion that she didn’t want to throw anyone under the bus and she felt responsible for what happened but it sounds like felt pressured after them asking for consent so many times which still is not okay. poor thing. she doesn’t want anything from this i don’t understand the accusations of clout chasing
Keem telling Brantley to chill and her getting mad saying “I’m a co-host I can talk whenever too” she forgets that she’s only there cuz chris and salvo aren’t. Keem wasn’t even doing shows when they first left😂😂 She needs WAY more experience and to be WAY more educated but she is a nice person though!
Keem is dating a child. I know she’s an adult I’m around her age, she just is too childish in personality. Keem is childish too but he has experience she can’t catch up to anytime soon. She was best in the background and is annoying frequently in episodes. Her constant oooh I’m wise and experienced for my age is annoying.
Can't believe I missed this I was going to call in & give my take & share my thoughts of what I think because there was a few things that I wanted to say but other than that this is a good episode none the less
The only allegation that seems shady is the girl who said she got hacked especially since she wasn't involved in the community for long. And hacking requires her to have clicked on a malicious link of some kind which doesn't make sense since she didn't say anything about that
I subbed to Edwin December 26th. Who would've known? One thing I do remember, is the stream where he wanted to get more women into the commentary community. No idea what was a joke and what wasn't but he had a few (female) callers on there and there was talk of a potential competition for "the next great woman in commentary" in which there would be a winner.If I'm not delusional one of the callers jokingly said, "That could be one of our competitions. Who can compliment Edwin the best? Innocent fun at the time, just strange to look back on.
People saying she flew up to stranger like you don't meet stranger everyday like on dating app or stuff, and like those people don't try to present good and the when you meet them they are not what they portrayed to you. It happens
Great stream. If you're looking into Edwin some more, it's worth reexamining what he said happened with Cyr and Dasha, because he was full of it. He had them chased off the platform based on a false victim story and built his own channel on this stunt. To this day people still believe Edwin is a victim.
Idk dude Dasha was a freak who stole Minas nude photos and posted them and tons of other weird shit that was proven to be true. I used to be a fan of Edwin and am not anymore, however, Dasha was abusive and crazy
Why did Keem have to decide to make his humorless gf the new cohost? She adds absolutely nothing. She only interjects with little jokes that fall completely flat 100% of the time and derails Keem while he's trying to get somewhere.
I can literally tell how uncomfortable babs is telling this story and my heart hurts for her bc I have been in a similar scenario with two guys I thought I could trust. As a woman a lot of times we consent to keep ourselves safe. It’s easier and safer not to fight it, more men need to understand this next time they say “well, why didn’t you fight back?” (edit: weird keem fans, pls be normal for 2 seconds)
Baba look so uncomfortable. Did she consent to this interview ? I think she doesn't know how to say no. Keem ans Brantley are taking just as much advantage of her as Salvo and Edwin did.
“Edwin had a call with onision because he thought platforming an abuser was ok”….. keemstar please stand up. you gave onision a >larger< platform and you defended onision
Brentley working overtime to make keem a good man. I laught so hard when he looked scared like „u mad at me“ hahaha This story would be so different without her! I feel like she gives keem credibility and creates a healthy distance to this sh*tshow
You two are so cute. And Edwin is really shady, I don’t think Mina left without a reason.. he helped her when she needed him and then he abused his power over her… I think I’m not sure, someone should talk to her
I hope he's on an upward trajectory with her, it's time he grew up a bit and honestly, who cares about the age difference if they're good for each other?
What I hate about this all the most, is this is the 2nd time in a row I've had to watch a Keemstar show, and I actually agree with a lot of what keem says. I hate this for myself. 2023 is going downhill fast for me.
Love the show keem, but you should really make your salvo merch more affordable, I mean its more expensive than teddy fresh merch, man do better than those weasels, please man!
Yeh he only gets the big views when he’s got salvo there or he’s talking about him! Anyways I heard you picked up salvos leftovers u loser? Hahahahhahaaaa!
Im sorry Keem should do the show by himself i miss drama Alert and this show isn’t doing it for me . The girl doesn’t even talk at all if hardly idk theres a reason why this channel hasn’t taken off
Can someone please summarize the info in this episode? I'd like to keep up with Salvos downfall but I simply can't listen to 4 hours of keemstar and Brantley
I defended Flam in the beginning, *esp* when PPP & Andy had that disaster of a stream trying to “expose” him, bc it really just looked like a disgusting hit piece, involving an accusation that’ll absolutely destroy a persons life (as it should if true). Then, Null did a stream where he explained things much better, & that’s when I went to his thread on the farms. It’s pretty damn thorough. I agree that he should take your advice, & if what’s on the farms, isn’t true… then it would be in his best interest to prove their receipts, wrong.
Okay but why was paige christie trying to push babs into saying that they sexual coerced her? They were asking for consent over & over, and she was saying yes over & over. Babs said that several times. Its harmful to force somebody into feeling like they were raped. Theres plenty to criticize edwin & salvo about, including babs experience, no need to force a different narrative.
I think babs is telling the truth but it's clear she needed a lot more coaching for this. If this gets picked up by larger creators they're going to be so confused by the constant qualifying of "I don't feel traumatized I consented to everything" while brantley and keem put words in her mouth and push her to use harsher language. We know Salvo and edwin are freaks now but babs comes off as super unreliable to most people.
Brantley just virtue signalling towards pp. She’s unable to form her own opinions. She allows every female guest to think for her. Always agrees and never challenges.
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I feel like the Babs interview should’ve been prerecorded. It’s not fair for a victim to speak live. Especially considering the comments reacting live to her.
I think it was more authentic live. I genuinely believe babz' story based on how uncomfortable she was telling the details. She didn't want to me too them. She didn't reveal what edwin and salvo did together. This girl knows a lot more private stuff that she hasn't told. She only told the story about how uncomfortable they made her. I wish she talked more after the drinks started flowing 😆
Agree, OP.
I feel so bad for salvos wife. To find all this out and salvo is continuing to disrespect her and pretty much shit on her by embracing this and making a mockery of it. I'm sure her family and friends are aware of his social media presence, watching everything going on, I just cant imagine how she's feeling.
Bro i bet she is an amazing person too. Its fucked up she doesnt deserve it at all.
Don't worry the lawyers in divorce court are gon a have fun with him
Yep. 😔 She deserves so much better. I hope she moves on from him quickly and doesn't waste anymore of her time.
im glad leaving him shes deserves a lot better
Amen, that's all I can think about. Is her seeing all this shit being said about him for the world to see. It would not only break my heart, but it's humiliating. Even if she's into the same shit, the whole world doesn't need to know. If she wasn't aware, it would be more devastating! It hurts
Babs.... If someone keeps pressuring you until you say yes, that is not consent.
...How does that make sense...?
@@thehydromaniac8868 how does it NOT make sense? If someone says no, you accept that answer the first time and move on. You don't keep pressuring someone until they say yes. Coercing someone into saying yes is nothing short of predatory behaviour.
@@CatDadJai
But that isn't the point. You're saying that if you say "yes" to someone, it still means you don't have consent.
If I didn't want to do something, no amount of pestering or money would make me say "yes" to it.
You're literally saying that even though Babs consented to sexual activity that it doesn't count as consent because they asked more than once.
That makes ZERO sense.
@@thehydromaniac8868 there is obviously nothing I could say that could make you understand, because you obviously don't understand how manipulation, coercion and pressure works when it comes to certain people, especially vulnerable individuals. I say this with the greatest of respect. I suggest you educate yourself on this kind of stuff. Everything isn't always so black and white.
@@CatDadJai
No means no. Yes means yes.
Now, according to you, yes means no.
Then you say I'M the one who needs to be educated. Wow, the irony.
Manipulation, coercion, and pressure does not make a yes turn into a no. Only the other way around.
Once it's a yes, it's a yes. Our laws run synonymous with that logic as well.
Stop moving the goalpost on what is defined as SA and r4pe.
I have been watching Edwin since 2008 and this is unreal. I'm not disappointed as much as I'm just let down.
Hes always been like this
Sellout
@@fragtall you clearly don't know what that word means.
It’s like both Edwin & Salvo legitimately have psychological arrested development. Edwin keeps trying to get back to the wild Cyr-type life he led & Salvo is stuck in junior high with his grudge that the Pauls didn’t care to keep him around. I watched his face anytime he felt slighted (Augie, Nick, etc) & he looked like a sullen kid.
Well, we know now why the Paul bros. didn't keep him around...
Salvo and the Paul's have a history? They all live in Ohio but that's all I knew of what they shared
The life of a youtuber. Every single one gets with girls that are fans at some point. Edwin, salvo, cyr, Keem, etc. EVERYONE. Some go about it in creepier ways than others.
@denalinde what you mean the Paul’s? I’m new to the drama
Hold up! Edwin went into Babs "forbidden room" multiple times, didn't leave her house when told to do so, talked like a child when was told not too, reinacted "handicapped" mannerisms when he knew her bro had issues (I have a family member who is similar to her bro and I can relate how that would feel)....and he passes her off to Salvo. He showed Babs absolutely no respect. That doesn't indicate that Babs really meant anything too him. Was he trying to do these things to establish some type of control by stepping over boundaries? That's messed up!
@NoLife well then if that's true then everyone involved in the story is lying then. Salvo, Edwin, and then Babs. But Salvo and Edwin have more lies on their reputation and thus are more untrustworthy. And.....the biggest bombshell Babs has talked about has been CONFURMED by Edwin. A affair happened. And Salvo wife appears to be divorcing him. Maybe they can work and patch things up. But time will tell. And if she is actually planning a divorce now but reconciles I already can see a potential narrative about the rumors of the divorce being inaccurate. But to me that affair confirmation is the most significant part of the story. These other details are irrelevant because people's lives have been negatively affected. That's the real focus or should be the focus. Nice try at diverting the narrative but that won't work with me. You have to give me something better than talking about stupid dms. Babs recollection of those dms doesn't excuse her failure in this story either. She done goofed too. But the scales of "truth" are still weighing on her side for the majority of the things that have been confirmed. She was still treated horribly.
He also said that he's Mr big YT in a public cafe in front of her.
@Elsa I forgot to include that one. That was still disrespectful to make a scene like that. I'm not sure about the context but at that point it making a scene like and having babs wanting to probably crawl under a rock isn't wooing her much less anyone really lol
Well this is not how I expected the salvo saga to go. What a way to start 2023
This is exactly how I expected it to go. Same with Edwin.
37:17 Jesus Keem… she’s trying to hold back from breaking out into tears (or so it seems) and Keem just starts breaking out into laughter
Keem is a scumbag lol. He's never been a nice guy.
BABS W
She’s the reason we had this stream today
On that stream with babs and Edwin I commented about how creepy Edwin was acting with her.
It’s was cringe and creepy and as soon as I heard they all got drunk afterward I got a little worried for babs.
Edwin has major creepy vibes especially when he gets a little drank in him.
Edwin lied about Cyr too
@@donnacaido7949 what did he lie about?
Tbh, I'm not a keem fan, but I'm happy y'all are quick to denounce this pos.
He didnt. Watch cjbrownes stream. He was doing damage control before the rumors got worse.
Thank you to Paige Christie for saying exactly how I've felt about Edwin for over a year. I got so much shit from the Commentary community for calling out John Swan and edwin before it was cool. Its so nice knowing that everybody now knows what we've known for ages
Facts 💯
Tea???
It's crazy to think that even with everything happening with salvo, edwin somehow managed to come out looking even worse. And yet that's exactly what happened.
Salvo seems like the generic creep and I don't feel bad for girls who chatted with him online because he made it clear he was weird and also that he was married, numerous times. I feel awful for his wife.
Babs on the other hand was put into all this because of edwin. And then the moment salvo is being canceled, Edwin knows the babs stuff will leak because babs been talking to keemstar and Edwin takes measures to do Damage control and hop in dms with nick, bowblax, keem, augie, everyone... saying babs is a wh0re and a clout chaser and a liar. To discredit her before she can speak. Whether he's predatory or not he's AT BEST an ahole and this is Mr nice sensitivity guy? Mr 75% female audience guy? Bro. This guy talked to babs daily for months hours a day and then threw her right under the mf bus. He's the one in dms with mad people, not her. How can edwin survive this, honestly? He is more optics obsessed than EVERYONE he's claimed that about. He is fake he's a coward and he's the biggest loser in all of this. I wonder how Eva will react next broadcast honestly and I wonder how vanluc will react as she felt very sorry Edwin was being picked on in all of this. Edwin fooled a lot of women. Very shocking twist of events in this story wow haha
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So when they were going on and on abt "excessive consent" (wtf??) in other interviews, what they _really_ meant was, "we kept pestering the living fuck out of her till she said yes." 🤦🏽♀️ FFS. That's not enthusiastic consent, that's coercion.
Right, you know when a woman is enthusiastic. I never needed to ask more than once.
@@TheDukeofDavid 💯💯💯 exactly, you shouldn't have to _convince_ her.
I kind of always suspected Salvo wasn't putting on an act and he was just some crazy asshole...but Edwin was one of my favorite youtubers for a long time, even a member of his channel on and off for almost a year. He's been changing his content as well as his character seems to be changing this past year or so, and its not changing for the better. Feeling super Ick about him lately and seeing how he handled this whole situation is super disappointing.
Also sending all the love to Babs ❤
Forced/coerced consent is not consent. Pestering someone into consent is not consent. If you're uncomfortable in a sexual situation, that's not consent. You may be saying yes, but your brain and body are telling you no, that's why you're feeling such discomfort with it. This makes me see Salvo and Edwin in such a fucked up light. I feel stupid that I ever thought these were decent people (Edwin, in particular).
If someone is not actually threatening you, literally or implied, and you are TELLING THEM "YES", wtf are they supposed to do, read your mind? I thought that autistic people can't always pick up on social cues, if you tell an autistic person "yes", are they a rapist now? Isn't that ABLEISM? 😝
but seriously, you have a responsibility over your own body and modesty. You have the responsibility to say no when someone propositions you. If you're uncomfortable by someone, you have the responsibility to tell them.
Regret is not rape.
Babs you spoke so well and honestly. I'm glad to hear you're feeling ok about it all and good on you for being brave enough to talk about it all live!
So they ran a train on babs, high fives and lots of “GET DAT SHITE BRO”. Then they had gay sex and all of a sudden they were weirded out? This story is really something
Brantley is so beautiful and chill af. It really should just be you two on the show, w guests obviously, but I mean as co-hosts
I saw other people comparing that she's just there but I think she off sets Keems more hyper energy. Granted this is the only one I've watched but
Good on her for not caving like they were practically begging her to. So many females, including myself, eventually cave just because you feel cornered and like there’s no way out so you just do IT to make it stop and move past out. But they do it again as soon as they’re ready.
Keem they can’t cancel you for the gay jokes bc Edwin openly admitted way back on “Edwin & Mina” channel that he was openly bi. I thought it was weird that he started pretending anything otherwise bc he’s literally said it on his videos years ago. It’s not a secret and never was.
Hey edit after I finished the stream: the video where he talks about ddlg & age play is the same video I mentioned where he says he’s bi.
He went from saying that he's bi, to saying that he's straight, to being vague about it and saying that he's just "not straight" but explicitly calling himself bi.
Either way, it was fucking obvious to the world that he was bi. He's had girlfriends, and then he got topless with Salvo and made out with him. No-one does that just for a bit.
@@najadamu2724 yeah I thought he like back tracked or something. But you’re right 😂
Oh shit!! I could’ve sworn in recent years when people ragged on him for being gay, jokingly, he claimed he was strictly straight. But i also have this problem where i think things happened or remember myself putting something somewhere and it’s definitely not there so I guess this was one of those things lol. I’m not crazy I swear. But i did always wonder. Because it’s clear.
@@samanthaorologio6866 no no he has said he’s strictly straight after the fact and it has confused me. That’s why I keep bringing this up now
@@samanthaorologio6866 I’ve only heard him say it once or twice but you’re not misremembering
Babs seems like a catch , she was basically used 😒 I’m glad she found friends in you guys tho !
I know you were nervous but you did great babs, very articulate
I personally have never been a fan of Keemstar and have never watched any of his videos until this whole Salvo thing started, and I have to admit I feel that changing. I was fully prepared to see Keem play all of this entire awful situation off as just Salvo being Salvo, so I'm pleasantly surprised to be wrong, especially considering that y'all were genuinely friends.
More than anything though I'm disappointed in Edwin.😤 I have only recently started joining in on Edwin's streams and tho definitely not perfect, he seemed like a good guy with his heart in the right place. To hear about everything he was directly involved in goes against everything I believe in. Screw Edwin and screw Salvo. They deserve each other.👎
keem got a record of throwin others under the bus for his benefit or boredom. Aka tommy C.
@@Gribbics salvo deserves it though.
@@GetBenched2010 idk everything seems legal and wirh consent beaides he said she said with babs. So noone should lose career over something legal.
Too many people here need a crash course in consent.
Saved this video to watch/listen to at the gym and I'm very happy I did. Thoroughly entertained!
Also Brantley Jesus I'm so sorry you must feel so violated! What did you do with your dresses?
I was wondering if the whole 'Is Edwin and Salvo gay for each other' was just a joke.. but if Edwin was pawning off a girl as hot as Babs to other dudes pretty much confirms that dude is James Charles levels of gay. Babs is gorgeous.
Gay for a joke? They were tongue kissing with their shirts off on stream lol
Also why would babs want clout? I mean I don't even think she has a channel or anything. And people thinking she is accusing them of stuff worst than she is saying proves how bad that behaviour is, like yeah its not totally bad but to me hearing this I am just like.... That sound like the warning signs of getting S3×traf1c if you get what I mean... Like p1mp3d
I'm kinda pissed too that Edwin is saying he is a victim of Salvo like wtf
Bro keem I felt bad for babs and both salvo and Edwin are weird and I'm glad she's made it to the show to tell her side of the story.
Keem really got security guards to defend himself against Salvo 🤣
I don't get it.. So these women consensually sexted with a married man and they're the victim..? They made the decision to do it, how were they victimised? Its a bit of a slap in the face to women who were actually assaulted
@@Eggpicker im not making excuses for salvo, im just asking how a woman who consented to sexting is a victim because she sexted with someone who ended up being a weirdo
@@Eggpicker if you say so buddy
salvo lied to all the women? like is it that hard to comprehend?
@@sativafairy9906 so what if he lied? Doesnt make him some sort of predator
@@ashemberson2318 homie no one said he’s a predator he’s just a major creep and sex pest? not much better if u ask me but if you wanna get specific for some weird ass reason.
Babs, you are the biggest queen 👑 from this whole episode ❤️
Who asks for consent that much?At some point in becomes like a joke. I could totally see Edwin like " HAHA(edwins fake laugh) you're consenting right!? HAHA! Just making sure! HAHA!"
Edwin literally displays traits and uses textbook tactics of a covert na®cissist. The amount of people his I@me @$$ could f°°I is astonishing.
He also lied about Cyr and Dasha
@@donnacaido7949 aLOT.
Brantley you are a queen 👑 Thank you for being your amazing self during this episode!
Good on you Keen for platforming Babz
Thanks for this video! My only complain is it feels like your co-host is just here... You're not trying to have a back and forth with her and like, she barely talks... You should try to talk more with her or let her talk, maybe script a bit so that she knows what are the big stuff you want to say and in what order
So close to becoming a fan, but the vomit gesture towards Nile empowering women telling them not to feel like less was distasteful. Women in these situations need to hear this not only Babs but listeners too. It’s dismissive and takes away from a strong message others can experience. You don’t have to love it but don’t take that moment away from someone who needs it. If you cut that out I’d love that for you!
I’m still hanging in there and watching your videos. Thank you for covering this.
Flam can't keep from stepping on rakes
I wonder how the security situation is for Babs since Edwin has been to her house? I don't know if Edwin would have shared that with Salvo. At the very least he could dox her. I hope that doesn't happen. Geez
That's a _really_ good point. Oh jeez...
This is the very first _anything_ of Keemstar I've ever watched, and I'm incredibly surprised by the coverage. Not so surprised by the many, many garbage incel POS's and Salvo piss-garglers in the chat and comments, tho. I'm glad most call-ins were kind and supportive; Babs seemed... sad, and uncomfortable. Poor thing.
EDIT: ofc the first thing Flamenco talks abt (defends) is DDLG/age-play, and then immediately lies abt his own history; I only just heard abt this dude recently, but wow, yeah. Real shocker, there lmao
What a weird set up. Why is she behind you? Wouldn't it be more professional for her to be at the same table/desk as you two? Just strange lol
i feel so terrible for Babs. its pretty clear in my opinion that she didn’t want to throw anyone under the bus and she felt responsible for what happened but it sounds like felt pressured after them asking for consent so many times which still is not okay. poor thing. she doesn’t want anything from this i don’t understand the accusations of clout chasing
Keem telling Brantley to chill and her getting mad saying “I’m a co-host I can talk whenever too” she forgets that she’s only there cuz chris and salvo aren’t. Keem wasn’t even doing shows when they first left😂😂 She needs WAY more experience and to be WAY more educated but she is a nice person though!
Educated in what way? Remember educated ISNT a good thing anymore. Any college kid is completely brainwashed.
But she’s cute, easier on the eyes than hila 🧟♀️
Keem is dating a child. I know she’s an adult I’m around her age, she just is too childish in personality. Keem is childish too but he has experience she can’t catch up to anytime soon. She was best in the background and is annoying frequently in episodes.
Her constant oooh I’m wise and experienced for my age is annoying.
@@DAVEMCKEEGANSWORSTNIGHTMARE the Holocaust is easier on the eyes than hila
@@duskplains1235 if you can drink alcohol you can’t be labeled a child. Still better then Hasan fucking a minor
Can't believe I missed this I was going to call in & give my take & share my thoughts of what I think because there was a few things that I wanted to say but other than that this is a good episode none the less
3:15:30
This ish IS CRAZY.
Legit felony crime.
I can backup that salvo said he’s doxxing and scamming.
I saw it live as well.
Thought he was joking.
The only allegation that seems shady is the girl who said she got hacked especially since she wasn't involved in the community for long. And hacking requires her to have clicked on a malicious link of some kind which doesn't make sense since she didn't say anything about that
Haha I love Brantley accent. 😂 “ain’t gonna git ya nothin’”
I subbed to Edwin December 26th. Who would've known? One thing I do remember, is the stream where he wanted to get more women into the commentary community. No idea what was a joke and what wasn't but he had a few (female) callers on there and there was talk of a potential competition for "the next great woman in commentary" in which there would be a winner.If I'm not delusional one of the callers jokingly said, "That could be one of our competitions. Who can compliment Edwin the best? Innocent fun at the time, just strange to look back on.
Damn Bentley just got shushed like a toddler😂
Lmaoo good!! She was interrupting keem like every 2 mins with irrelevant stuff like he hasn’t been doing this for over a decade 😂
About time. Keem REALLY needs to get a new co host.
@@brotherboom5811 fr
edwin looks majorly strung out. drugs maybe? his whole demeanor and how he carries himself is so different then the videos he made a year ago
Probably from the drinking
"yeaaaah buddy i'm getting highhhhhh!" this had me laughing so hard 😂
People saying she flew up to stranger like you don't meet stranger everyday like on dating app or stuff, and like those people don't try to present good and the when you meet them they are not what they portrayed to you. It happens
Respectable people don't do that actually
@@RetardationAwareness respectable people dont do what? Sorry, be more specific bc i dont understand :/
Great stream. If you're looking into Edwin some more, it's worth reexamining what he said happened with Cyr and Dasha, because he was full of it. He had them chased off the platform based on a false victim story and built his own channel on this stunt. To this day people still believe Edwin is a victim.
He falsely framed Dasha for leaking his gfs nudes when it was his girl who leaked them all along
Its already been proven that Mina leaked her own nudes so i wonder what else will come out regarding the situation
Idk dude Dasha was a freak who stole Minas nude photos and posted them and tons of other weird shit that was proven to be true. I used to be a fan of Edwin and am not anymore, however, Dasha was abusive and crazy
@@totallytoni1228 mina leaked her own nudes then claimed dasha stole them when there’s proof she posted them on twitter
@@totallytoni1228 yeah dasha def did crazy shit but framing someone for revenge porn when you yourself posted those pics on your twitter is crazy
Great stream guys! It’s crazy to look at the first episode to now. 😂
Why did Keem have to decide to make his humorless gf the new cohost? She adds absolutely nothing. She only interjects with little jokes that fall completely flat 100% of the time and derails Keem while he's trying to get somewhere.
I love Brantley and Babs so much 😂🥰
I can literally tell how uncomfortable babs is telling this story and my heart hurts for her bc I have been in a similar scenario with two guys I thought I could trust. As a woman a lot of times we consent to keep ourselves safe. It’s easier and safer not to fight it, more men need to understand this next time they say “well, why didn’t you fight back?” (edit: weird keem fans, pls be normal for 2 seconds)
At 1,28,53min that hit hard, i feel bad for her❤️
If you press the little icon in the bottom right corner of the text box, it does it for you like so…. 1:28:30
Baba look so uncomfortable. Did she consent to this interview ? I think she doesn't know how to say no. Keem ans Brantley are taking just as much advantage of her as Salvo and Edwin did.
Coercion isn’t consent!!!!
The Edwin and Mina channel is gone, or i can't find it at lest, maybe others can?
“Edwin had a call with onision because he thought platforming an abuser was ok”….. keemstar please stand up. you gave onision a >larger< platform and you defended onision
Please stfu about that situation.
You and yours doxed children and their families so get off the cross people need the wood.
This was a pretty good stream. Does anyone know what vape Brantley was using?
Wondering the same thing! The newest best vapes though are the ‘flum pebble’ ones, you should try them!
I get home late from work and I love that this show is on!! I love the intro so much lol
Lol it’s so cute huh
@@samanthaorologio6866 puss
I can see why Chris hates the soundboard
Love the intro when Bratley walks in, she is the best and so cute and lady like.
Brentley working overtime to make keem a good man. I laught so hard when he looked scared like „u mad at me“ hahaha This story would be so different without her! I feel like she gives keem credibility and creates a healthy distance to this sh*tshow
You two are so cute. And Edwin is really shady, I don’t think Mina left without a reason.. he helped her when she needed him and then he abused his power over her… I think I’m not sure, someone should talk to her
Salvo doxed queen B?! Whyyyy my dude?? I thought Ure better than this.
I love that u value Paige Christi’s voice. She’s badass and smarter than most of u loonatiks
I hope he's on an upward trajectory with her, it's time he grew up a bit and honestly, who cares about the age difference if they're good for each other?
the intro should have black light and when Brantley comes out, her dress should have been all covered in white stains.
What I hate about this all the most, is this is the 2nd time in a row I've had to watch a Keemstar show, and I actually agree with a lot of what keem says. I hate this for myself. 2023 is going downhill fast for me.
Where did my reply go???? Anyway, personal beef with keem on Twitter lmao
Mood tbh
Babs is so beautiful f that goofy ahh dude , need a real RUclipsr in her life 🥲 a man like who gone protect her and respect her ( that’s me)
Love the show keem, but you should really make your salvo merch more affordable, I mean its more expensive than teddy fresh merch, man do better than those weasels, please man!
Brantley looks like Vanna White in this episode, she is so adorable!
Ur old!
@@TheKillingJoker1980 lmfao I'm actually younger than Keem!
This has got to be shadow banned Noway it’s only for 17k views
How dont you call the cops on the nerd NOT LEAVING YOUR HOUSE.
Pee pee just mad Salvo didn’t move her out of her grandparents house 🤷🏼♀️
Keem gave her so many chances to shine in this stream and she blew it lol. Pp is hilarious when she's yelling and calling people a munch
who's Salvo?
I really do ❤Brantley and Keem together!
Wait so someone’s screen name is “PeePee”? Huh
Yes she was on salvos show
Her full screen name is ppbuttbuttpp. I'm not even joking.
I remember when Keem thought this Salvo coverage would only net ~400 viewers....
GREAT SHOW!!!!!!!!
Yeh he only gets the big views when he’s got salvo there or he’s talking about him!
Anyways I heard you picked up salvos leftovers u loser? Hahahahhahaaaa!
@@parkingtigers oh I bet you’re loving that! You are such a weirdo! You are obsessed with salvo!
why are the guest so far in the back lmao?
Not enough space in the front
Im sorry Keem should do the show by himself i miss drama Alert and this show isn’t doing it for me . The girl doesn’t even talk at all if hardly idk theres a reason why this channel hasn’t taken off
Edwin also lied about Cyr and Dasha
Can someone please summarize the info in this episode? I'd like to keep up with Salvos downfall but I simply can't listen to 4 hours of keemstar and Brantley
Edwin’s gay
I’m glad she’s leaving pancakes she deserves better
I defended Flam in the beginning, *esp* when PPP & Andy had that disaster of a stream trying to “expose” him, bc it really just looked like a disgusting hit piece, involving an accusation that’ll absolutely destroy a persons life (as it should if true). Then, Null did a stream where he explained things much better, & that’s when I went to his thread on the farms. It’s pretty damn thorough. I agree that he should take your advice, & if what’s on the farms, isn’t true… then it would be in his best interest to prove their receipts, wrong.
Is the little girl with braces(lol) keems new child gf??
Hey well done Keem, u almost pulled as much as Nick Deorio on ur live!
hi salvo
I'm still unsure what happened why is salvo off the show I thought he was keems yes men
Okay but why was paige christie trying to push babs into saying that they sexual coerced her? They were asking for consent over & over, and she was saying yes over & over. Babs said that several times. Its harmful to force somebody into feeling like they were raped. Theres plenty to criticize edwin & salvo about, including babs experience, no need to force a different narrative.
Because it suits Paige's agenda.
Ash, drink drano doxer
@@NeeceLoneWolf doxer?😂
She literally explained why. Pay attention. Y'all're so fucking stupid jfc
Lmao OMG guys no wonder Mina went back Home and almost never came back or moved Edwin there. (Yes I know what they said she moved home over)
Is the video fkd up for anyone or just me the quality is all over the place 🤔
Just u it seems
#whoisedwin
Hope ur happy for what u did to edika
That literally didn’t happen
I think babs is telling the truth but it's clear she needed a lot more coaching for this. If this gets picked up by larger creators they're going to be so confused by the constant qualifying of "I don't feel traumatized I consented to everything" while brantley and keem put words in her mouth and push her to use harsher language. We know Salvo and edwin are freaks now but babs comes off as super unreliable to most people.
W stream
Babs could do better
She’s a guest on a show who’s doing them a favor lol she did her job just by showing up honestly
@@Basketball40 i meant better than Edwin lol
Anything is better than Edwin
Brantley just virtue signalling towards pp. She’s unable to form her own opinions. She allows every female guest to think for her. Always agrees and never challenges.
Cope and Seethe more
Cope and seethe more loser
after this whole stream, My number one question is How much coke did that British girl do before she called into the show?!
Good show. Can't watch the Edwin segment, it hurts so much. Cringe overload.
How bad does Xylie smell?
Like death