Is Scotland on the road to independence? | FT
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- As the 300-year-old union between Scotland and England strains under the pressures of Brexit and the pandemic, the FT's Scotland correspondent Mure Dickie takes a road trip to gauge the mood ahead of parliamentary elections. Read more at on.ft.com/3tgKmSz
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I lived 2 months in Scotland in Glasgow and a bit in Edinburgh. . .
Very beautiful country and very nice people 🏴
@James Berry You just can't abide people liking Scotland.
Your posts are saturated with hate, bile and arrogance toward Scotland.
Evidently you are an odious little creature.
@James Berry 👍
@James Berry
Pretty sure his point is that Scotland is a very beautiful country with very nice people.
Changed for the worse since then unfortunately.
@@mojo76 Since when? He didn't say when. How clever are you?
Long live Scotland 🏴🤘
Long Live Sibr, Komi and all the other places the Russ have subjugated.
In the UK. Absolutely right.
About time
*Free Scotland 🏴!!!!!!!*
@We Slavic alphabet ? You really know nothing. Poland uses the Latin alphabet, while Ukraine uses the Cyrillic alphabet.
@We Slavic alphabet ? You really know nothing. Poland uses the Latin alphabet, while Ukraine uses the Cyrillic alphabet.
The UN charter states that peoples have a right to self determination and England is currently denying the Scottish people that right.
On this 64 year "elderly" Dane`s disk still stands a Scots Rifleman, I "Swap`d in" at age 12 on a Scout camp in Rold Skov Jamborre in North Jutland/DK, - manny, - manny years ago, Those young Scotsmen made a huge impression, with there jokes, - friendlyness, - song and sketches at the fire in the evening, - but by good we hate that Backpibe early in the morning.
Whatever your Scots choose - This guy will accept it - Best wishes SCOTLAND
I am a EU citizen and even though I cannot speak on behalf of the EU, I am certain an independent Scotland would be welcome to join again. I think it is short-sighted to just look at current trade balances, that can change as we all know. Why wouldn't Scotland be able to increase trade with the EU as a member of the world's largest single market? Scotland has a larger population than many other EU member states, namely Ireland, Croatia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Latvia, Estonia, Cyprus, Luxembourg and Malta. Why wouldn't it be able to cope just like them?
Joining as an existing nation, small or large, is entirely different to joining as a newly minted country. There are the economic challenges of having to sort out a new currency, set up new armed forces, new national institutions, institute separate trade deals, negotiating international recognition and so on. The costs of doing this are not insignificant, and would guarantee a significant short term economic downturn. Given the requirements for joining, EU membership would not be on the table for the first several years at least.
And you seem to think changing trading patterns happens overnight. That's of course not at all how it works, and that too would take many more years if EU membership was eventually granted.
Not to mention opposition from Spain who have a particular distaste for independence movements and fear accepting a newly independent Scotland would give Catalonia ideas.
@@Boreasos I feel like I've heard all this before, like a script from 7 years ago 🤔
I'd take the opinion of one citizen of a European nation in these matters over 100 scared British nationalists like you, and I think most of the world would probably agree 🧐
@@LarsOfMars. he's right though...
This is the real truth...
You'll probably be doing ok IF you have the correct leadership and you take hard nosed austerity... it'll take 10-20 years though.... That's the truth. You'll also have a hard ... I mean totally hard border with the rest of the UK which is 60% of trade (obviously imposed by the EU) ... so it'll take time to obviously sort though that and the inevitable drop in GDP... you cannot change business partners and connection over night... but over 10 years it'll shift to the EU from the UK so long as the EU doesn't collapse politically or economically (a real possibility). Debt will be a sticking point .. Salmond says you can walk debt free... that is very doubtful... maybe you can offset over the assets deals... who knows. Also... do not forget.. its a fact.. the rest of the UK's people will see it a betrayal by Scotland.. it must be said... and they will not forget it... ever. Just being realistic... we are in a major dispute with the EU and most of the UK feel slightly under siege... if Scotland were to leave and be independent then it would leave a bitter taste... but that is one thing ... but to join the EU is another entirely... so don't expect any kind of positivity from the rest of the UK or England ever again ... I'm just being realistic and honest about how people would see it.
@@joecater894 He has his opinions, there are plenty who think otherwise as evinced by the comment he was responding to. Opine all you (not you personally, per se, but in general terms) like but it doesn't make you right :)
@@LarsOfMars.
Well then I can be of assistance, as I am not British nor a nationalist. I'm Norwegian, hyggelig å snakke med deg, and I can inform you that reason and logic doesn't change based on nationality.
I want to witness of independent of Scotland
Most Scots don't.
Thanks. So do I. Saor Alba
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@@whybother4156 Mate. I live in one of the most deprived areas of Scotland and it's just outside Glasgow.
I would trade my left baw to swap for a place further up north. Nothing special about the central belt.
A public demonstration of national insolvency unless some countries taxpayers want to see their taxes subsidising the Scots in a manner to whch they are accustomed.
I'm not sure how to describe the interviewees they selected but... Really!?
They weren't good enough for you?
@@josephbrennan370 well they all seemed kinda... thick? Not really a representation of Scotland. Seems like a minimal effort piece which is why it's surprising to see it come from FT.
@@BenjaminMazs aren't these the people you want to get votes from? FT doesn't have to go around and find the people who fit the everyone's desired criteria. It would be ironic if they had done that and these were the people they came up with.
They could barely string a coherant sentance together. Whether I want (?) these peoples votes or not, i certainly wouldn't want them making the argument for either side.
@@josephbrennan370 of course, but there's no reason why they couldn't have picked someone eloquent enough to formulate a decent argument for either side.
I love Scots. Wish them the best.
thank you -
I love them too good luck on the 6th we in Europe want you back love from France
@Rallan
This video has nothing to do with puppies. What's YOUR point?
@Rallan
Don't be such a baby.
@@miakeogh6844 how’s things anti Semitic France 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Just let the ppl decide what’s best for them
Some people believe they are entitled to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do
@@casperwallace9685 that goes for both side doesn’t it?
The issue is how often do we do this? There was literally a Scottish independence referendum in 2014. That’s less than 10 years ago.
Do we keep having elections until the candidate we want finally wins? Of course not, that would be ludicrous and anti democratic
@@SpitfireMLG Scotland vote in 2014 to stay in UK has a member of the European Union ...
@@joaofernandes2827 No. It voted to stay in the UK. The UK voted to leave the EU in 2016.
The independence argument is about more than economics. Scottish a more socially aware country than England, more in tune with Scandinavian tax and social welfare than the English love of low tax and Tory austerity.
@EL JAY The Barnet formula does not "bankroll". As I stated, independent Scotland will have the right to raise its own taxes and choose its own spending priorities; Independent, not Dependent.
@@theotherandrew5540 You do realise Scotland already has power to set its own tax rates.
@@mushogi Tell me more.
@@mushogi No it hasn't, Westmonster does for her
@@theotherandrew5540 www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35866776
Time for Freedom, and Scotland to rejoin its fellow Northern European neighbors for a far brighter future!
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Auf Wiedersehen Pet 👋
@@paulgabolinscy2502 🏴😂
Yes like Sweden?
@channeleightythree083 they voted brexit
I will vote Scotland to be an independent country
@James Berry all i want is Scotland to become independent
@James Berry yes
@James Berry Awww trying to trip someone up now....another little jibe
@James Berry another little jibe.... you need to seek professional help
@@stewardmukupa2916 Berry is talking nonsense
Good luck Scotland from Wales 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴.
It's a matter of 'when' and not 'if'.
Republic of Ireland is a flourishing country. So will the Republic of Scotland.
No point hanging on to a dying decayed entity that is UK. It's a broken country.
Vice versa 💯 hope you's get yours aswell🌹🏴
@@Abraham_Tsfaye correction there won't be a republic of Scotland it'll be an independent Scotland there is no divide between within itself
@@alexandriamurray8623 Only a matter of time when a Republic of Scotland happens. Only a matter of time. UK is a rapidly declining country.
Luck doesn't pay the bills.
"If it's not broken - don't break it" *facepalm*
The union has already been broken for years
Thats why he's a yoon.
@@SantiagoGeffen How?
Scotland is broken after 14 years of SNP failures. You cannot deny that fact.
It broke a longgggg time ago
Go Scotland, you will be better off in the end, look at the state of the Republic of Ireland was in when it joined the EU and now it is one of most advanced country in the EU. Be brave and go for it!
Your comment about the Irish Republic doing well tells me your opinion is not worth listening to.
@@PatrickKelly-lz3pv Lol, true
Ireland is not an independent nation, because it gets most of its laws from the EU.
@@PatrickKelly-lz3pv Self hatred is an dismal thing!
@@PatrickKelly-lz3pv please tell me how they're not doing well?
We need Scotland to have its independence so that we don’t have to listen to the Nicola or Ian whining any more.
Scotland needs independence so we dont have to put up with tories elected by England.
@@hiddenknowledge2012 I so much agree and then we can kick the Barnet Formula into touch and the whining Scots. Braveheart was a movie and William Wallace was not Australian, just saying. God bless Queen Nicola and all who sail in her.
You are joking she will never stop & the media will keep covering her
@@stephenstone8968 only in Scotland after Independence we don’t need to know what they are doing.
@@alunmurison7421 IMHO England need independence too from all it's cousins if they don't like being part of UK, then go on federal monarchy..... Your Queen is still HMQ Elizabeth ii, but fishlady Sturgeon wants to be the Queen of Scots.
England will be FREE from Barnett formula, they rebuild Hadrian's Wall, become a small strong Kingdom like the old days, all it's cousins will be having shared of debt since the creation of UK when they become independence, Canada Australia and New Zealand nagging them to form CANZUK UNION alliance, England is technically still part of 5eyes, in future that the UK breakup monarchy maybe move to Canada or Australia IMHO. Many possibilities will happen, and Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales will be having a hard time because of debt rules from EU if you want to join them.
Independence here we come
sooner the better!!!
@Noname Lolnonono if Scotland stopped using the pound the value of the pound would drop significantly harming the remaining UK. It could send England into a market crash like in 2008
Yay
@Charlie Munster It could be said that the UK government treats other areas and countries of the UK with contempt
@@elanrhys3178 Physical money is over with , everything will be digital currency very very soon , so it will have very little effect on England .
Wasn't the reason Scotland joined the Union in the first place was because they were fighting amongst themselves LOL? As for joining the EU don't you remember its disgraceful treatment of Greece?
Greece could have done better.
Moreover, have you seen England's disgraceful treatment of Scotland?
@@markussmedhus9717 exactly we need to get out of the shithole England has dug for us all before they drag us over the edge and join back into the EU!
Wasn't the reason UK joined EU, because its economy was failing big? LOL?
@@Gouldarr Ooh, double dragged :O
@@markussmedhus9717 In what way? Dya mean furlough, or COVID inoculations that's saved the planet.
I'd rather trade one hard border with England than the 27 we now currently have because of England.
I always think back to 2014 and a sky reporter asked a lady if she's voting tor independence. Her reaction was "NO, i'm not that soft!" Priceless
She was soft enough to have her country ruled over by English Tories. Id call that pretty soft.
@@benmacdui9328 Maybe she likes the value of the strength of the pound in her pocket and her pension being paid.
She knew 14 years of failure lay ahead 😂😷👍
YEA, Media have more plants than Dobbies
@@MR-X-. Not so much now tho.......
I hope the Scottish are certain about this, because if they actually go through with this they will get tons of people from England with Scottish surnames. Even Scottish sounding surnames clamoring to get a passport. I think the issue would make a good comedy sketch actually!
@The Ugly Irish You are clueless. Scotland is ranked one of the most beautiful countries on the planet.
@Dee Dee What the hell are you talking about. You are completely wrong.
You dont pay any tax if you dont make over that amount.
Personal Allowance Up to £12,570 0%
Starter rate £12,571 to £14,667 19%
Basic rate £14,668 to £25,296 20%
Intermediate rate £25,297 to £43,662 21%
Higher rate £43,663 to £150,000 41%
Top rate over £150,000 46%
www.gov.uk/scottish-income-tax
@Dee Dee Scotland is also the least refugee filled area of the UK by far. I haven't seen a non white person in about 4 months.
@Dee Dee No idea where you are getting such information from.
England
Personal Allowance Up to £12,570 0%
Basic rate £12,571 to £50,270 20%
Higher rate £50,271 to £150,000 40%
Additional rate over £150,000 45%
Scotland
Personal Allowance Up to £12,570 0%
Starter rate £12,571 to £14,667 19%
Basic rate £14,668 to £25,296 20%
Intermediate rate £25,297 to £43,662 21%
Higher rate £43,663 to £150,000 41%
Top rate over £150,000 46%
The lower and working class in Scotland benefit from the slight difference.
@James Berry Just itching at the thought, but the scenery is braw. I will make a visit before the wall goes up.
Support the independence of Scotland.Be yourself , Scotland.
We were ourselves lad - that's why the Scottish people voted to remain in the Union, rather than let Krankie lead us into unlimited immigration and poverty....
You have your history, your culture, your magic country. Go Scotland, be your own again ! Alba gu brath! Love from Zagreb, Croatia
Thanks a bunch for wanting Scotland to go bust and sink in a sea of debt , for what to join the EU and grovel for subsidies from our new masters in Brussels...no thanks
@@boomerhgt have your opinions changed since Liz truss?
What did the editor put in American country in the background and not any Scottish music
Its obvious that Scotland's identity is best expressed as an independent nation charting their own course than to be part of an england centered "union". That question the narrator signed off with is ridiculous.
Should Old Acquaintance be forgot,
and never thought upon;
The flames of Love extinguished,
and fully past and gone:
Is thy sweet Heart now grown so cold,
that loving Breast of thine;
That thou canst never once reflect
On old long syne.
From:- The Tree Of Liberty:-
"Let Britain boast her hardy oak,
Her poplar and her pine, man,
Auld Britain ance could crack her joke,
And o'er her neighbours shine, man,
But seek the forest round and round,
And soon 'twill be agreed, man,
That sic a tree can not be found,
Twixt London and the Tweed, man."
Fear and vested interests (ie 1:50) are the only issues for not supporting independence.
Oh man, what a simple world you live in. What lazy nonsense.
And shared British heritage. After all how many people are half English in Scotland?
@@brandonbridge371 they will still be half English when they’ve left the Union don’t worry
@@brandonbridge371 Independent Scotland will still be a British nation... Just like Norway is Scandinavian.
@@kaba_me thank you. That is true. But why disunite the British people's. I say "peoples" instead of people because Britain has multiple sub ethnicities within the broader British ethnicity. Like how Yugoslavia was a union of Slavic peoples.
From a Financial newspaper this is a very poor video. Nothing of any substance in it. I haven’t bought the FT since the financial crash. This reminds me why.
Good day from a Ferguson to a another. Ferguson
Ask him why the McCrone report was suppressed by Westminster?
www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/brian-wilson-heres-real-story-about-mccrone-report-84854
Seeing that the newspaper is of a right wing bias - what do you expect. No reason given why the report was kept under wraps
Even the author claims it was not a report
@@ericcooper1709 the only paper stating that it is not a report is the Scotsman - a right wing pro unionist publication, what do you expect
@@JohnSmith-bx8zb McCrone himself has publicly stated it was not a report
I find it funny how all the arguments made against an Indyref2 could’ve been used for Brexit, but are only relevant to undermine an independent Scotland
Did anybody tell them that nobody demanded they go to war against the #UK? An independent Scotland would still be in its rights to deal with both, EU and Brexit Island!
DOUBLE STANDARDS FOR CONVENIENCE!
I expected more in-depth analysis from the FT. This was a nice wee travelogue with a bit of vox pop thrown in. Nice work if you can get it!
Best wishes from Germany! Go, Bravehearts, go! Free at last!
Yep then to join a failing EU 😂
“Free at last” dude, the United Kingdom was Scotland’s idea.... they voluntarily made themselves not free? What?
@@SpitfireMLG Ha! Ha! Losers Weepers!
@@smt6456 Quod erit demonstrantum!
You can have them thank you very much please take Scotland off our hands
Northsea Oil is no longer valuable, so Independence is very likely.
Lol This
So how much is North Sea Oil per barrel if its not the same and a barrel of Oil from anywhere else? Moron.
You forget the financial sector. The US needs access to the EU and most of us can’t speak French or German. Scotland can give the US access to the EU financial sector.
@G Dog The Scots don't send water to the English.
The Scottish Government's revenue from oil & gas revenue has slumped to less than 0.8 billion a year which makes independence less likely.
I hope soon independence for the great people of Scotland. Independence means New Future.
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Portugal 🇵🇹
Italy 🇮🇹
Ireland 🇮🇪
England
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Finland 🇫🇮
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I can put any flag on here except England, Scotland, and Wales. Scotland's missing flag is something indepdence would rectify.
Well said mate 🏴
That's fine but the future holds many things good and bad who knows?
Speaking as an English man I truly hope Scotland vote to leave, as long as they FULLY understand they can't come back.
No country that has achieved independence has ever reversed the process.
Fast H Racing
Not a single country on this planet, having won Independence, has asked to come back. Many of those countries did not have the resources that Scotland has. That speaks volumes and is a wonderful argument for Scottish Independence.
Thank you for bringing this up and for your (although accidental) positive input. Not all English men are as helpful and supportive. I'm adding this to my list of positives while I canvass support.
@@stevebinning977 And lets hope that 100% run continues if applicable.
@@paulmcmahon864 I assure you I am FULLY supportive of Scottish independence.
No country, ever, that got out from under the butcher's apron wanted back !!!
If there is another vote, the English should get a vote on whether they wish to be in a Union with Scotland any longer. It works both ways...
The English would be extremely foolish to exit the UK if they ever got a referendum and voted yes
The other EU countries didn't have a vote on Brexit. How can you justify anyone other than Scotland getting a vote on their independence?
But you don't want a vote, England is too feart to stand on its own two feet.
About time
*Free Scotland 🏴!!!!!!!*
Apologies for any ill will - unintentional. Just confused.
I don't understand how the needs of independence can be satisfied by being in ANY union. Being in ANY union compromises independence. Being in ANY union requires compromises. Are the compromises being in the EU, less than the compromises being in the UK? If so then great.
I shouldn't have said anti English but anti- UK?
ORIGINAL POST:
you want be independent of a Union (UK) why join or be apart of another (EU)? What's the principle at work here? This feels more like an anti-English argument. Which is fine, just be honest about it.
It is not anti English, every single council in Scotland voted to remain in the eu, and now they are about to suffer beacuse of the decision of the British while they very clearly wanted to stay in the EU. It is not anti english it is just that they want to go down a different path.
The EU market is 7 times larger than UK internal market.
Note that every country within the EU are independent.
Note that Brexit DIDN'T produce the best trade deal ever 'Dr Liam Fox , Tory MP' famously said.
Note that the Scottish economy as an independent country would be in the top 10 per capita in the world.
Scotland has 25% of entire EU offshore wind and tidal energy.
So actual do some research instead of insulting remarks in an attempt to deminish the discussion.
Anti English mythology is just that.
You'll find a pro independence group called English Scots for independence.
So where is your basis for your anti English remark?
Intolerance or ignorance?
No,is just pro EU.It is anti english in the same proportion as Brexit vote was anti EU imigrants.So you tell me,how much you think is anti english?
CERTAINLY NONE IN U.K. PRETENDING TO be A COUNTRY!!
The uk is crumbling. Saor Alba Gu Brath
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How is the UK crumbling? The UK will do far better without Scotland because England won't have to subsidise Scotland like it does on mass scale.
So deluded and childish
@@logangallagher7050 The UK will no longer exist without Scotland. If Scotland leaves Northern Ireland will also leave. In the end it'll be a England-Wales union.
@@eLeft6 Like Ukraine/Russia ?
I'll be voting No again, just like I did in 2014.
I do hope so England has carried them long enough.
Yea, everyone heard it " Take back control, but only if we can hold Scotland's hand coz we are scared sh#tless without them" Oh my.
@@casperwallace9685 Jesus wept, you are some dreamer🤣🤣🤡
Identiry shouldn't be the issue. Scotland is big enough, smart enough and has enough resources and people to make independence work just like all other nations who left the empire. The "Union of Equals" is no longer benefitting us to the same degree as in the past. Scotland also votes very differently on social issues than England as was seen with Brexit.
Big enough? It only has a population of 5 Million people compare to England's 57 Million
@@inigobantok1579 ok?
@@inigobantok1579 quality over quantity every time, Norway, Sweden, Finland all prove this, and are far more politically aligned than England.
It’s not a Scottish thing, it a huge political misalignment that is the problem and that is why we need separation.
From the south west of England I say give the Scots their wish.
My Familly who fought for this since the 1300 salute you
Why aren’t you the current Prime Minister?
BHO CERNOW
It's a bit weird hearing someone that supports the Union say that we have so much support, so much security, so much stability yet these people are the very same people that complain about not preventing illegal channel crossings and want refugees and immigrants kept away from our country, yet their Westminster government has failed to do all these things for them!
Scotland deserve independence
@Charlie Munster
Exactly, Ireland must be reunited too.
Even in Wales nationalism is growing...
If independence was so viable why wasn't it done decades ago u can't be independent if u want to rejoin the eu the Republic of Ireland is in Europe
@@richardclass6689
Northern Ireland will automatically enter the EU as soon as the island is reunited and Scotland will join soon after becoming an independent country.
SNP are a socialist party...
@@johndawhale3197
So what?
One can understand the emotional rhetoric manipulation- a wise one would want to review the economics- and thank God the English have not been asked.
The Tory supporters would be glad to see us go they are on record saying so
@@angussoutter7824 I would rather be a poor scotsman, than have to spend one more minute in the company of the english.
The English have made their feelings known they would rather lose Scotland so lets give them their wish
@@stephenlyon1358 no need to be xenophobic and bring this down to the level of Brexit 😞 i have nothing against them but as two nations we’ve drifted apart politically over many years, and the blame lies squarely with Westminster they started the devolution programme and gave the English nothing in return, why because of a two horse race that didn’t want to ever have to share power and politicians shameless self interest and power trip, the North get shafted even more than us Scots but fir the life of me i don’t know why the kept voting against their own self interest, they share more in common with us Scots and would have been better served with a devolved assembly
@@angussoutter7824 The UK should have gone for an elected upper house based on regions (with a weighting to the regions). But it has always been too London-centric with too many of your Lairds seeing their bonny vistas as the road to London (to misquote an older Johnson).
Yup the regions/nations have drifted apart and as an impartial foreigner I think you are right - the blame rests with the London elites.
But I still can't see how Scotland can be economically self supporting. Even the Free State is a basket case after 100yrs, supported by Eu and London finance.
Scotland has finally waken up from long sleep, perhaps maybe.
@James Berry You're right. maybe 🌄.
Yes, we voted No in 2014.
Yea, we just need to get the Westminster leech off our backs.
@@susannamarker2582 Yes, the 2014 result was won on the promise of all those powers WM promised, including protecting our EU membership.
Then WM backed out of all the promises which got WM that result, so if WM can't respect the result why should we.
The No vote was not an endorsement of the UK, it was a stay of execution, No was conditional on the Vow. Like any contract, if you renege on the deal it cancels the result.
and all the damage done to Scotland since is all on you.....
@@casperwallace9685 Just curious, what specific power has not been delivered to Scotland that was promised. Be specific.
Independence remains electorally in the balance for two main reasons.
1. The failure to explain the ridiculously simple currency situation and the related workings of a fiat currency issued by a monetarily sovereign state. (This really shouldn't be an issue. Historically, the finest works on the subject have been written by Scots and Scotland has a highly successful financial sector that is about 2.5 times that of England on a per capita basis.)
2. The intense fear felt by many NO voters of the wickedness and cruelty they expect from England upon independence. (Yes. England has made a huge impression on Scotland: not a good one.)
Border is non an issue if both countries are reasonable. Look into border between Belgium and Netherland or Belgium and Luxembourg and France etc. One house on one country other in other. No problem why the Scottish and English border should be the problem. Switzerland is not part of EU and still the border for local communities is not visible...border is non an issue. Issue is that Scotland do not have any power in Westminster because is represented like another voting district. With 8% of MP they can not get anything. Ireland left the Union 100yrs ago and no one is regretting it there.
All these countries are a member of the EU or EEA or in case of Switzerland Single Market. Unless What's left of UK signed up to any of these programmes there would have to be a border for customs purposes. Just like after Brexit there is a border between GB and NI running through the Irish sea (a land border between NI and ROI was a no go as it would go against the Good Friday Agreement).
Why are we even talking about this?! Like you said, there was already a 'Once in a generation/lifetime' vote on this, just 7 years ago!
Because they were lied to and we left the eu
@@CODE14464 Actually, that's incorrect and not valid, and i will tell you exactly why. 👇
On November 2013 (well before the Scottish referendum) the Scottish government (The SNP) published a document called 'Scotlands future', Released for anyone and everyone to read and download, which was signed by Scotlands first minister and SNP leader, Alex Salmond, which said (and i quote)
""The debate we are engaged in as a nation is
about the future of all of us lucky enough to live in this diverse and vibrant country. It is a rare and precious moment in the history of Scotland - a once in a generation opportunity to chart a better way. "
As well as saying:
""If we vote No. Scotland stands still. A once in a generation opportunity to follow a different path, and choose a new and better direction for our nation, is lost. "
The document also goes on to refer to the then upcoming EU referendum, when asked question 266 in the Q&A section, the question being (and i quote)
"What impact will the Conservatives Party proposal to have a UK referendum on EU membership have?"
He ansered by saying (and i quote)
""It is the view of the current Scottish Government, that the only real risk to Scotland's membership of the EU, is the Referendum proposed by the Prime Minister. "
""The Scottish Government does not wish Scotland to leave the EU and does not support the Prime Minister's plans to hold an in-out referendum on EU membership."
""Following a vote for independence, Scotland will become an independent EU member state before the planned in-out referendum on the EU in 2017. However, if we do not become independent, we risk being taken out of the EU against our will. "
Note the part that states 'However, if we do not become independent, we risk being taken out of the EU'. In doing that, they not only acknowledged that they knew that remaining in the UK could mean leaving the EU, but they go as far as acknowledging that that it would be in fact likely! They publicly announced this, and most significantly, it was stated well BEFORE the Scottish referendum.
This was all in this document, that the SNP had put forward it's argument for independence, so no-one can say that there wasn't warning and acknowledgment that there wasn't a possibility of risk that remaining in the UK meant leaving the EU, in fact they said it would be a very real possibility, and as i say (as this can'tve stated enough), was all before the Scottish referendum.
I can give you the link to this if you like? It's was published by and is still all on the official Scottish government website.
Because Scotland has elected an SNP majority since before and after the referendum and about to elect them again.
Why wouldn't we be talking about it?
@@CODE14464 No, they knew Scam moron was going to hold an in or out referendum.
@@hiddenknowledge2012 Why wouldn't we? Because you HAD your 'Once in a generation/Lifetime' referendum a mere 7 years ago? And at no point in the referendum was it said who was the voted into government subsequently would change the fact it was a once in a generation/lifetime vote.
If anything, the percentage to remain/leave the UK hasn't changed since the Scottish referendum anyway. How do we know this apart from the latest polls? Well, in the Scottish referendum 55% of Scots voted to remain in the UK while only 45% voted to leave it. In the last general election (which was well after the EU referendum), guess the percentage of Scots that voted for the party that wanted to leave the UK? Yep, 45% which means 55% DIDN'T vote for the one party that wanted to leave the UK.
A secod referendum was never decided to be dependant on who would be oted in, it was to be a once in a generation/lifetime vote, everyone said it, everyone agreed to it, even the SNP, but when it didn't go the SNP's way, now they're going back on it, sorry, it doesn't work like that. Besides, like i say, the percentages haven't changed regardless, its still 45%-55% for leave/remain respectively, there is no mandate for ignoring the results of the first referendum, it would have to be extremely extenuating circumstances to ignore THREE democratic votes, the Scottish referendum, the EU referendum and the last general election, you don't even have anything to suggest voting intention has changed lol
Scotland has England ( non European Union) with a population of c 55m as the main trading partner if the vote is against independence. As a member of European Union, population of well over 700m is by far a better alternative. And, Scotland, is one of the few remaining English colonies which has not gained independence.
Scotland is NOT an English colony and never has been.
The EU population is 450 million, Europe's population is 700 million, obviously you can't tell the difference between the EU and Europe..
@@leekelly9639 yes, quite. I s
@@MrKeithblair I agree
@@MrKeithblair quite, but it feels like it. London uses Scotland as a dumping ground. Why not give the oil revenue to Scotland? How can the English government decide over a country that has more right to be independent than many other pseudo countries?
If you keep repeating something some people will eventually listen. That’s Nicolas tactic 🙄
Is that the high road or the low road ... 🤔?
Medium road?
Bye bye Uk.
Hello independent Scotland.
North Ireland returned to irish Republic.
And they all lived happily ever after! Civil war would rip Scotland and Ireland apart!
YEAH
@@dmc2773 there is already a civil war in Northern Ireland. Instigated by British government policies. Don't forget if it gets much worse England take some of the backlash, from both unionists and nationalist.
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Scotland voted to stay in Europe and England said no, Scotland followed England like a wee poodle out of Europe, how embarrassing is that?
When I hear things and people of Scotland, I almost remind the movie, Brave Heart.
It was a UK vote not a regional one lad.
By your logic London Voted to stay in the EU so do Scotland and London leave but the rest of the UK remain?
What if your neighbour voted to stay - do you leave and they stay??
@@mrfrisky2997 London is the capital of England .. Scotland is a nation and they deserve to choose whatever they want ..
@@rafaellindstrom2177 We did vote mate in the SNPs once in a generation vote - we, the Scottish people won.
@@mrfrisky2997 well you voted for an UK in EU lol most of Scottish people voted in favour of EU so there's a problem here .. also I don't believe you are Scottish .. you're a brexiTEAR in disguise lol you seem to be afraid of democracy ... Lol that's a very English thing theylike democracy for themselves but not for the ones they rule
Anyway is matter of time Scotland will be independent and will decide if they want to join a union or not ... But I bet NI will leave UK first ...
It is time for Scotland coming out of the shadow of England. 😎😎
Let me correct you ..out of the shadow of the British government..the English folk are victims of the same..anyway I pray you get what you wish for we English folk won’t miss your hate..
@@capri2673 The feeling is mutual here. 😎😎
I agree with you
Lam Par ... Hopefully! PLEEEEASE GO!
People who live on the border between Them vote no for SNP and no for leaving. People living the in central belt is spilt. The mid North want independent and vote for SNP after brexit. The upper north will vote yes for SNP but vote no for independent until they receovered from covid lockdown
STABILITY??? David Cameron Nicola Sturgeon
Teresa May Nicola Sturgeon
Boris Johnson Nicola Sturgeon
Catching my drift?
It is broken. And has been broken for the decades that we in Scotland have not had ANY influence in the outcome of the UK election. Due to geopolitics of the UK, the only country in this "union of equal partners" that has ANY influence in the government, is England.
So do something about it.
@@stephenlyon1358 if frightened, pathetic, Etonians would stop barefaced lying scaring everyone into fearing positive change then we might just have a bloody chance
Scotland ENGLAND border should move SOUTH to River Tees ~ River Kent.
Speak for yourself Smog Monster
Scotland should have it old border back that's Newcastle
@@scottferguson48 England should get its northern border back thats John o groats
William Wallace said FREEDOM...but Scotland is still under English control!
Please fight to get Scotland free!🏴🇮🇪🇪🇺
William Wallace.. ffs, 🤣🤣🤣how many flags do you want?
As an American I know I don't have much of a stand here, but I believe in working for independence if you believe you can do better.
You are under no obligation to bow to a king or a government that forgets to treat you fairly. Security is good...but the ability to make your own security on your own terms...you need to decide whether or not it's worth it.
I agree. What’s your opinion on the West Lothian question, the Barnett Formula and Scotland’s over-representation in the London Parliament?
@Bosch Bushy You have a source on the spending? The Government website says they take in £66b in taxes from Scotland but spend £81b in public spending with the difference being paid for by the UK government. They say for 2021-22 spending under the Barnett formula equates to £100 per English person and £129 per Scottish person. (www.deliveringforscotland.gov.uk/scotland-in-the-uk/public-spending/)
Also, when it comes to over representation, I think you need to go learn what that word means. Spoiler alert: it doesn’t mean “biggest vote share” lmaoooo
@Bosch Bushy I know that’s not the Scottish govt’s website, I’m sourcing the UK Govt.
And you don’t know what over representation means and you wanna sneer at me like the high and mighty elitist you think you are.
Where are your sources my guy? Instead of sneering at me try giving me cited statistics?
@Bosch Bushy Scots pay less per capita in taxes than the rest of the UK and they spend more per capita in public expenditure than the rest of the UK. (www.gov.scot/publications/government-expenditure-revenue-scotland-gers/)
You don’t know why over-represention means 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭
@Bosch Bushy You: “🤣🤣🤣 I’m coping right now🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣”
"Is Scotland on the road to independence?" We'll find out on the 6th...just two days from now. After that, I'll come back and comment yes or no. EDIT: Yes. Officially a pro-independence majority in Holyrood. With Green vote share coming in, SNP + GRN will be over 50%.
Funny that ..sturgeon rather quiet about indy at the moment ...cant even answer any questions on how it would be bankrolled
@@martinmanifold2241 She's not campaigning on having independence right after the election, if she were, then she'd have to answer those questions. Based on what she says, she's campaigning on getting through the pandemic and recovery, then seeking a mandate from the Scottish people to hold a referendum --> YES wins. Basically, she's biding time to see how the recovery goes before putting out any fiscal/economic analysis of independence. She's campaigning on the philosophy of independence.
@@sw9618 "cult of independence " ...
@@martinmanifold2241 Scotland ENGLAND border should move SOUTH to River Tees ~ River Kent.
@@matpk nice celtic name
If scotland want to leave then leave. Its a bad idea and they’ll become about as relevant as iceland but its their choice and if it goes wrong then they’ll sadly suffer on their own. If it goes right then welldone.
wee bit bigger than Iceland - but more importantly what is "relevance" in this context and what relevance is the UK (with or without Scotland)?
@@riccles8331 its part of the G7 and a permanent member of the un security council and is predicted to have the the second most powerful navy in 2030 ( power means deployment ability and global presence it wouldn’t beat India or china cause of numbers but they can’t deploy very far) and we have one of the biggest populations in europe and are the 5th largest economy. Yeah we are under the shadow of the usa but to say we’re not relevant is stupid. I was more talking about relevance cause alot of scots are on a patriotic high a bit like what England and wales were on during the brexit vote. Its just not gonna go as well as they think like brexit. Except the uk had allies and a good economy to fall back on. Scotland will just fall into the arms of the eu and become about as independent as they were in the uk. I get it if u want to leave to join the eu. But to leave cause of nationalism and then join another union is dumb.
@@oj3458 You didn't really answer my question - what relevance is "relevance" to Scotland- Iceland looks like a perfectly good place to live. UK is a side show in the US-China story, not as much as Scotland would be obviously, but a side show nonetheless (2nd most "powerful" navy by 2030 - don't know where you go that from Japan's, France's, China's are and will be more powerful - at least one of them will be). But why is this "relevance" important to whether or not Scotland should be self-governing? To answer a question before you ask it - in the same vein as rUK's navy - Scotland has the nukes. US and rUk will both want to keep them there. Leverage is more relevant than "relevance" - although still not sure what it means. Lots of places get by perfectly well without having influence over global affairs (I think thats what you mean by "relevance"?).
@@riccles8331 okay so. I did say ‘we are under the shadow of the usa’. And i pointed out when i said powerful that it meant its global reach. China’s doesn’t yet have that global reach and speed. Japans isn’t allowed to do anything but defend tho that may change due to china being seen as a threat. France are going to be investing more into their army due to their presence in africa and they also want to lead the idea of a eu border force. And i also said that if you don’t care about relevance its fine i’d love to visit Iceland not all countries need to be relevant Finland is like the best place in the world and you never hear them on the news. I’m mentioning relevance as so many scots have this idea they’ll have power in the eu and will be able to chart their own future which no matter which unless they became completely independent which is fine but they also want to join the eu which i think makes no sense if their whole vote has been based on independence and freedom. And the only negotiating leverage Scotland will have is when it comes to defence. Snp is very anti-nukes so they’ll want them off Scotland land which i don’t how that’d work. All i’m saying is these scottish indiref2 people remind an awful lot of brexit voters and i’ve already explained why that’s bad.(and yeah we can’t compete with countries like india, usa or china. We’re more competing with japan and france. Not in a war way i mean like comparatively speaking.)
'if you don’t care about relevance" this is something quite fundamentally different about english and Scots - Scots really don't care, maybe because for all of modern history they have been living under someone else's shadow anyway - nothing new. "so many Scots have this idea they’ll have power in the eu and will be able to chart their own future which" I have my own views on the EU but its pretty clear Scotland would have more autonomy within the EU than they currently do - if indy i prob wouldn't be in a rush to rejoin - but many do have rose tinted view on this sure. "SNP is very anti-nukes" unfortunately pretty damn anti business too - but the recent swelling in support for indy hasn't really coincided for increased support for the SNP, these can and should be separated for any observer, nukes (all hypothetical anyway) would stay - as a newly indy country would simply p**s off too many allies by getting rid - plus a nice steady income indefinitely. "indiref2 people remind an awful lot of Brexit voters" there are parallels sure, but the motivations couldn't be more different - lest we forget in 2014 indyref and Brexit Scots chose the pragmatic and sensible option - may well be, given direction England is going (good or bad - it is fundamentally different from what Scots want and vote for) - maybe indy is the pragmatic option now - a lot of ppl like me up here, would never even have entertained indy in the past but a now increasingly tend towards supporting it.
Thank You
No.
No problem at all if Scotland wants to leave the UK.
However, it must be a clean and unambiguous break.
Hard border, work visas, completely foreign country.
The relationship will probably gradually improve, since strong fences make good neighbours.
Good luck to Scotland if she goes.
Is this Mandela effect. I thought Scotland was already a free independent country.
How can we be free when we're ruled over by a foreign government that we have never once voted for?
@@davieboy45123 you are right. I don't know about the history, I thought Scotland got freedom.
@@jaglinuxmint it got freedom before from through war, Robert the bruce and William Wallace both fought for it. Wallace lost against king Edward but Robert bet Edward's son and signed the declaration of Arbroath to declare Scotland as an independent country with him as the king along with the seals of all the clans of Scotland signifying his rule
@@MrChalmers99 oh thanks for explaining 😊
@@davieboy45123 1997 Scotland voted labour helping Blair win.
dno man that james neville seems a bit of a tory to me
What gave you that impression?
In the beginning of the 20th century there was a movement of young Estonian writers that had a moto of "Let's stay Estonian but also let's become European." Estonia was still a part of the Russian Empire. The aristocracy was all German and there has been several attempts to russify of the population. But the educated Estonians felt that there is something missing in their identity. Something that the dominating powers/cultures are keeping away from them.
I have never been to Scotland myself. However from the other side of Europe it seems that the scots also have had taken something away from their identity. Something from within.
I remember some scot saying...maybe he was a football fan. Some ten years or more ago. "I'm Scottish first, European second". Maybe it is a fitting slogan for Scottish independence.
But there is the rub, now it's supposed to be European first and Scottish second. I have no problems with a desire for independence but can't see the point if you then give control to the EU.
Loyalist newspaper starts and ends their video with loyalist statements.
Three keys points to consider. Firstly the Brexit vote is a UK wide vote, this doesn't mean that the various parts of the UK that voted for the EU can claim independence. That would mean that individual counties in England would be independent too. Allied to this point is that the 38% of Scottish voters voted for Brexit and these votes got the leave vote over the line. Next point is that the reason why the SNP party get voted into power in Scotland but never get enough support for independence is because Scots get all of the financial benefits but still some control over their own laws. So best of both worlds. Finally, if the Scottish economy was ever going to be strong enough to survive on its own, the welfare bill would need to be considerably reduced and financial support for business vastly increased, whilst at the same time investing in the infrastructure to plug the gap in funding from Westminster. This is not something that the SNP would typically do or ideologically support, but yet only the SNP would want to lead Scotland in to being an independent country. So this presents as a self-defeating philosophy.
Scotland was one of two supposedly equal partners in the act of union. This means that if Scotland decides they no longer want to be part of the union, and withdraw the act of union, the UK is no more. Hence if Scotland feel that brexit warrants withdrawal from the act of union, then we are able to claim independence, and in matter of fact rather than just gain independence, have the ability to dissolve the UK.
In regards to your additional rebuke, if 38% of the Scottish electorate, who actually voted, voted for brexit, then 62% didn't. Perhaps you don't understand big numbers, but 62% not voting for brexit dilutes the total UK brexit vote more than 38% voting for brexit dilutes the total UK remain vote.
In regards to devolution, unionists blame Scotland's current state entirely on the Scottish Government despite many of the most important decision making powers being out of their hands.
Lastly, your assumptions regarding a post independence Scottish government and its spending assumes that Scotland's economic prosperity as a nation of it's own is represented by current GERS figures, which is a falsity at best. This ignores issues such as the many Scottish companies who are currently headquartered in London who's exports as a result aren't counted as Scottish, the net energy output to rUK that Scotland would be able to tax, natural resources such as 90% of Britain's fresh water as well as oil and ores, just off the top of my head. In addition to this, your claim suggests that Scotland investing in infrastructure would have a negative economic impact, when previously this has been shown to improve the economic prosperity of a nation, just look at China post 2008 recession alone as an example.
I won't pretend that an independent Scotland won't have difficult choices to make in the beginning, creating a new currency, for example, which will be necessary to facilitate EU re-entry in future, will be damaging to the economy to some degree, but nonetheless given the divergence of Scottish and English socio-political views (not ignoring Wales and NI) in recent years, Scottish Independence is needed in order for Scots to be able to persue a future they believe in. Westminster have likely miscalculated the amount of decimation caused by brexit, so these fear mongering and doom and gloom campaigns they proliferate regarding Scottish independence will no longer have the same impact, as we are already suffering under their rule.
@@frasersweeney7229 if you join the EU then you will have to adopt the Euro and have Brussels dictate your economic policy, i would ask you to google Irish Troika to see how independant Scotland would be in Europe. If I wasPriminister I would let Scotland have a referendum on the understanding that first they negotiated with EU and got a letter of understandin stating weather or not they could join EU and on what terms. The nationalists moan about Brexit voter being lied to or not understanding so Scottish voters should be given terms of joining EU before they vote.
@@mushogi That simply isn't true, Croatia, one of the more recent countries to have joined the EU hasn't adopted the Euro, despite now being a member state for nearly 8 years now. They have agreed to eventually adopt the euro, as have many other member states, but there's no strict timeline in place to do so which effectively means that a member state can eternally delay adoption.
In bringing up the troika, you are inferring that Scotland would require a substantial financial aid package from the ECB and the IMF, considering that the finances of an independent Scotland are unknown that would be a bold claim to make.
The EU would not begin negotiations with Scotland until it is independent, as any agreement made with it would not be binding, and again the financial situation of an independent Scotland would be unknown to them. Your stipulations would be impossible to meet and so Scotland would be barred from having an independence referendum, which would then cause a constitutional crisis as it would change the union from being a mutual one to one enforced by the larger partner ie England. This wouldn't be a good look for the UK, and would probably blow up in their face similar to Ireland in the 1920s.
Meh this theory is a nonsense in 1916, the Irish were told they could never afford to be independent. Despite a bloody war of independence, a civil war, the anglo-Irish trade war a sectarian war for 30 years in its northern province. Considering at every turn Britain has done its best to undermine Ireland, that GDP per capita is considerably more than the UK, poverty considerably less than UK and life expectancy measurably more than the UK. I think the Scots have every chance, especially if dishonest Tories dont try to spoil it for them, England are not the benign master of the UK you might like to think.
@@mushogi The Troika is very old news my friend any you are misrepresenting what actually occurred.
Independence poll (29/07/22) 58% want Independence.
Trouble is a lot of Scottish regiments are loathe to lose their royal patronage.
THEY WOULD RATHER BE THE REGIMENTS THEY USED TO BE, AN INSULT!!
Good luck Scotland - seeing how far and fast the UK has sunk, it makes perfect sense to want to jump ship before it's pulled down too
Long live Scotland 🤘 🏁💪from hungary!!!! ♥♥ 🏴🏴🏴🏴
Hungary, what a laugh.
Thanks 😊👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🏴👍
@@mrmonstermunch3925 why??? :-)
@@ZoldM4cska because he is english, he thinks everyone is worthelles except him. Clasic brit
@@jakubzov
I agree but he is clasic english not british!
Hungary has many problem our politic has a lot of problem i and we know!
Big mess ! Interest groups. no interest, no union!
What's the southern blues got to do with Scotland? 05:07
Our light is on 🇪🇺🏴
Hope to be with you soon.
Well turn it off then and stop wasting electricity and increasing CO2 emissions.
One of Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP's arguments against Brexit was that the UK would be leaving its largest trading partner. Yet, she's fine with Scotland leaving the UK, its largest trading partner.
If you don't want Scotch Whisky you can always go for the Irish whiskeys. If you don't want our salmon, look to Norway. If you don't want our beef Argentina can provide. If you don't want our energy, France might step in to help.
@@hashburystumble8808 Going by the last part of that comment, it would appear that you are assuming I'm English. What an attitude to have, almost bordering on racism! What about the products and goods that Scotland imports from elsewhere in the UK (Northern Ireland, Wales, and England). Trading is not all about exportation.
@@OrganMusicYT There is nothing racist in my comment. Admittedly I did assume you were English. My point being that any border controls would apply both ways & these would be administrated electronically. Scotland"s exports are currently the highest in the UK outside London & the South East & that mostly in the services sector. The loss of Scottish exports would make the UKs balance of trade unsustainable. Why else would Westminster withhold a Section 30 ?
@@hashburystumble8808 Do you think it's fair to compare a city - London, with a country - Scotland... that doesn't even make sense to do that.
@@OrganMusicYT I was comparing the UK economy which has a negative balance of payments with Scotland which has a surplus. The rump UK would have an even wider gap post Scottish independence.
Independence or end of the world , which will come to Scotland first ?
Definitely independence, we have 95% of our energy renewable which is a must in the modern world, it used to rely on oil, but now its renewables which Scotland has plenty of and can make for very good investments.
It depends a lot whether Scotland can get back into EU fast. The economic impact will be big if Scotland left UK.
The conservative region takes decisions over Scotland but also maintains it economically(London is the biggest contributor).
If Scotland is such a financial burden why not let us go ?
That's what we want !
Scotland won't sign then leave the following day. It will take a while to get through the talks, as we can see with Brexit has taken since 2016 and still not finished.
Plus Westminster is full of children, so it might take awhile, and while those talks with Westminster are happening, the same talks will be held with EU. Since Scotland has followed all EU rules and regulations as much as they could.
Scotland can take care of herself, without the interference of London. Scotland has the 2nd largest banking sector in UK.
Great off you go then.
Dont cry. 😂
@@hiddenknowledge2012 cry with laughter Scotland going it alone with Jimmy cranky at the helm.
If they go what currency will they have? the euro?
@@BlandNutz the numynut.
@@joblogs8886
Boris Johnson is a person that exists.
I don't think this is a surprise, anyone who backed Brexit knew it was a risk (due to the stupid design of the refereendum) and anyone who backed hard brexit very much brought this on and knew that, after scotland offered to compromise on soft brexit.
@Snow Flakes One country would probably take into account the member country's opinion when it comes to say, Brexit though. Also, SNP got more % than the Conservatives did in westminster, which due to the unfair FPTP system lead to a huge majority so they could ram through their really bad version of brexit. So on that front, they would have all the mandate they need. Lucky the Scottish Parliament doesn't use a stupid voting system.
The SNP NEVER offered to compromise. They could have voted for May's deal, which was brexit in name only. What did the SNP do? ABSTAINED not once but multiple times. If the SNP voted? There were more than enough votes to get the deal passed.
Now here we are.
So gtf about your 'compromise' rubbish.
@@MR-X-. Mays deal was hard brexit. SNP offered to support a deal staying in customs union AND single market. Which would likely have been the least damaging and pointlessly awful brexit.
@@LoserZalbo Absolute PISH. May's deal was a customs union. EU officials were seen laughing saying we have basically made the UK a colony of the EU (with her deal).
The SNP abstained. That is a fact.
@@MR-X-. That wasn't single market, which is what they asked for, as a compromise for something that is leaving the EU but is still close, as a result that close would justify.
Nope. Everyone in Scotland is now fully aware of the implications of seventeen years of what the SNP has done! Any more of their divisive obsession will ruin Scotland for good
Why leave one union to join another union you cant afford to be in
this better not be the one thing i remember when im 95 in 2092
Yes we are. We've had enough of being ignored and we want to run our own affairs. It's that simple.
Not really
@@shrek_has_swag2344 Yea, it is
Ignored???? Lol please tell me how you’re being ignored. You guys have more representation in London than the English! You also benefit from the Barnett formula and the West Lothian question. Also, two of our last 5 prime ministers were Scottish.
If anyone’s being ignored, it isn’t the Scottish lol
@@SpitfireMLG That's the amazing thing, in the past 100yrs or more the landed classes outside of England have had a larger influence on Britain.
You guys need to have an elected upper house based on regions.
Orkid .. BYE!!!
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Support has dropped tremendously but I really hoped for self governance. Staying in is an an insult to Scottish intelligence. If Singapore is doing well, I don't see Scotland not fairing well.
Er, is Singapore in the EU?
@@hamsterminator er, do u just compare Scotland with EU countries?
@Trevor B so you mean Scotland has no right for self determination like any normal successful country? Does it mean Scotland will disintergrate themselves from the rest of the UK? It would probably be Westminster who will disintergrate from Scotland if that happens which will just prove how imperialistic they are still with their governance. The reason each countries should decide it's own path.
@@MrColanzar2007 We did, in 2014. What was the result again ? Remind us.
@@TroyaE117 who says it can't be done again if the people asks for it? Did Westminster comply their promises like more devolution or fedaralism if people will vote no last 2014? Anyway people are most likely to vote no ,so relax and celebrate.
Anyone, especially Nicola would do a better job at a transition than the Tories did with Brexit 😂 There’s nothing to worry about.
you'll never leave
She should start making a better job of running Scotland. Not a single target met - not one. Still haven’t delivered on their manifesto promises from when they came to power. A joke of a party with tartan lemmings following.
Well its the Tories...its not like the bar is that high.
@@jb894 Who cares what you think
@@vtechead1 YEA, too busy mitigating the damage Westminster is tossing up..
Will Scotland become partitioned if a big chunk of Scots choose the UK while the majority choose independence?
Not quite the Scotts had freedom of movement and moved all over Wales and England and now out number the population of Scotland
If a majority of Scottish peole want to leave the United Kindom then it is difficult to see how the present UK government could stop them since the vast majority of the countries of the former Britsh Empire are now independent.
exactly if malta can become independent then why not Scotland with vast resources - look at Ireland, is now one of the richist countries in the world per GDP, `Scotland is Englands cash cow and will suffer immeasurably without us - and good, we've been robbed and plundered for the past 300 years - time to take back control :)
@@Deathstaroya If the Scots want independence, then it should happen. But Scotland is not England’s cash cow - that would be the City of London. Scottish GDP per capita is considerably lower than that of England’s, despite the fact it has the oil and the refineries, and it is not because of England “plundering”. It is because it has a weaker services sector (which England and ROI excel at).
@@francisedward8713 Not done your homework Fran, Scotland and south east England are according to the Tories own think tanks , the only two profitable areas of the UK.
@@Deathstaroya Malta didn’t actually want to be independent, they wanted to become a part of the UK but the UK basically just turned them down. I wonder how things may have turned out differently for Malta and the UK if we’d agreed to accept them.
@G Dog Because Scotland’s ties to the EU pale in comparison to that of the UK. It’s hardly a fair comparison when Scotland-EU trade is far far smaller than Scotland-rest of UK trade.
Let's go scotland ! Greetings from France
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with ya ... please GO! Fed up with their whingeing!
Let Corsica be independent as well then
Lanrent c. Thank you. Love to France . Scotland s old friend France. Scotland
Gonna love that hard border between Scotland and England if Scotland does choose to rejoin the EU if independence happens. Brexit already shot the UK in the foot and independence would just be other one.
Scotland got well and truly shafted between the two referendums, I hope they stick two fingers up to westminster and cut loose, surely they'll be fast tracked back into the EU which will help them stabilise the economic shock
Hopefully
As an Englishman living in Scotland, all I can say is the SNP can’t balance the books and have a string of failures since the last referendum . . . Yet they seem to be as popular as ever. Most Scots are not that politically engaged, and will vote with their hearts rather than weighing up the pros and cons with an impartial attitude.
As a scotsman living in Scotland all i can say is your talking a load of shite - if were failing so miserably you can alway cross that border back to whatever stain you came frae :)
Brainwashed by the fishlady with sweet words 😹😹😹
Don't be so arrogant . Is this the same in England when they vote Tory ?
As a Scot living in Scotland do you think the Westminster government is balancing the books were well over 2 trillion in debt ffs and talk aboot failures Westminster is one big failure
@Mark Sibbald I'm interested in that stat - is it more income tax, on average, per head or do you mean that the rates of income tax are higher for some individuals?
I'd also appreciate a source on that.
The SNP have had the power to change the rates of income tax, across the board within a certain percentage - without incurring a hit to their budget from Westminster - but I've never seen the stats behind their changes, and I'd be very interested to.
It's very clear that all these supposed comments against Scottish independence on here are from accounts that have only opened in the last weeks & months. I wonder where we've seen this before.
For all you IndyRef2 supporters, just ignore them, they aren't worth our time.
X2 votes from me already posted in. YES to independence
Well said that man !! 👏👏👏
Saor Alba Neil. Here's to a landslide Sunday
@@frasersweeney7229 Here's to keeping the money sent North to support the fishy Sturgeon & Salmon
It's a bit daft to call it Scottish Independence because you're going to hand yourself over to the EU which would mean that Scotland would become dependent on the EU whereas now it's dependent on the UK, so it won't really ever be independent as Scotland.
No
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