Hey, More Free Weather and Traffic. New ADS-B Portables.
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2024
- At AVWeb, we figured the ADS-B portable market would die with the 2020 mandate a little over a year away. But a crop of three new ones appeared recently and AVweb's Paul Bertorelli took them for a video spin in this indepth review of the Stratus 3, the Sentry and Dynon's DRX.This video also gives a thumbnail glimpse of how ADS-B actually works.
For a really inexpensive ADS-B you can build yourself, see • Stratux Do-It-Yourself... 
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Damnit I love the way this guy talks. Simple. Rough. Refined. Remarkable.
He is old school with a boatload of experoence i would guess
You forgot Iconic
DIY ADS is by far the coolest.
Paul, you've got a new FAN.....Thank you
Outstanding naration. Told my wife, --one of the best narators from Air Force to Major Air Carrier. Very profesional. Thank You Paul
Paul, you do the best reviews and explanations of new equipment on the internet. Thanks so very much for your analysis and yes, I do trust your opinions highly, much more so than the others and totally unbiased opinions are much appreciated. Again, thank you sir.
Paul, excellent review and commentary! I really enjoy your style, and love these videos. Thanks for all you guys do to support GA!
Great to see you Paul :)!
Paul, I always enjoy your articles and video's. Keep up the great work. One day I hope to fly my Ercoupe to Venice and talk to you over lunch at the Sun Cafe if you are available when I do make it.
Such good information and presented clearly. Very interesting. Now if only one could fly.
Thank you Paul! You always provide great content. Kindly look at the Stratux if you have time. 😃
Great presentation , now I know about three ADS-B boxes. I like the Sentry, since it has a carbon Monoxide Warning feature.
Excellent stuff!
Great job Paul thanks . You were almost over my neighborhood near North Port, Fl. our winter home.
Thankyou Paul, I always find your reports informative and entertaining.
Here in the UK we have a slightly different spin on ADS-B. uAvionix have a great product for us, but for general Electronic Conspicuity the locally produced Pilotaware is the device of choice for the cognoscenti
Love WingX Pro! Works great with the Stratux.
Thanks for the info..... 👍
Very helpful, thanks!
Exeunt review of ADSB. Keep up the great work. Christopher from Canada retired aerostar pilot from Ottawa Canada
Thank you sir. You did a great job explaining the need and cost of ADSB (in and out). Keep up the good work.
Amazing times to fly in these days. I use a Garmin GDL-50. $399 after Garmin rebate. Works great paired with Garmin Pilot.
Thank you. Excellent, crystal clear explanations. After watching the Talos Avionics vids I went to the Appareo site to get info from the users manual regarding the AHRS recovery from unusual attitudes and was surprised by the dearth of information. I'd like to know if the Stratus is able to recover from a 'tumble'. Paul, as a backup AHRS it's pretty useless if it can't recover. I would want it to be bulletproof as a backup because incorrect or contradictory indications can be fatal.
7::00 yep ..had all my stuff hit the roof several times during turbulence. Any equipment must be secured ...
Kick ass quick summary
You are awesome bro
Very helpful. Now when is someone going to make an APP do all this with a usb C connection to my cell phone?
Very good
Great info.but I,m wondring if the weather works out side USA .thax
Would love to see your review about the Garmin GDL51,52, thanks in advance.
I did my last 2 flights with a Stratux! Its nice to see the Metars before listening to the Awos. I have yet to see radar weather on the screen, but that is because I havent flown around precip yet.
RollTide8569 how's the ahrs capability
13:07 thanks Paul ..do people still buy magazines. ?
ADSB is fantastic Swedish invention. By Håkan Lans, a genious of our time.
He gave it away royalto free for shipping as the US military industrial complex tried to kill his invention off (making radar far less important etc etc).
7:44 most LSA windows are perspex which tends to be flimsy and easily marked,...
Is it allowed in a commercial flight as a passenger? (Assuming you got a window seat of course.) Meaning can you use it as an “in” not “out” receiver only?
Excelent..., I will repeat excelent, article...
Velcro, in my katana I have it mounted in the cargo compartment with some Velcro.
Kind of odd that Talos Avionics seems to be the best one with the most options but not many people are talking about it!!!!
Australia (CASA) is setting us (VFR pilots) up for only voluntary ADS-B , I would prefer mandated. I like what the US is doing.
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Once you pay for that box the weather is no longer for free since you already payed in advance what a joke, no freedom that's the baton line.
@Paul Scotchford. Unfortunately, we don't have near the commercial infrastructure required to support that endeavor. Would be nice don't get me wrong. :)
@@brucefox6580 Yeah I know, but have a look at the link here, a bit from CASA on VFR ADS-B encouragement
www.flightsafetyaustralia.com/2018/11/be-seen-and-be-safer/?fbclid=IwAR2T8Th8FIvlY3mteloVz-O_O0yckTWWyI6jjmu9s6_iR0ZbFuq0WUnD-8M
You can't afford $200 for in-cockpit weather? That's less than one tank of gas in a typical Cessna. If you can't afford that, then you literally can't afford to fly.
I really don't understand why WiFi is the preferred data link for most of these. Virtually every consumer device can only be associated with only one WiFi connection at a time (regardless of whether infrastructure or ad-hoc). Bluetooth, by design for nearly a decade, allows for multiple connections simultaneously and also leaves your WiFi radio free for a data connection.
Granted it's somewhat unlikely that you'll have an internet connection setup inflight, but on the ground, I've found that devices that connect over WiFi to be annoying from the standpoint that I have to choose between an internet connection and communicating with a peripheral device...whose use is often augmented by having an internet connection. Unless there's a serious bandwidth need, Bluetooth seems preferable as a data connection can be maintained while using the device. Maybe someday WiFi chipssets that allow multiple Network connections simultaneously will be commonplace in consumer devices.
I agree, there isn't even a good reason for using WiFi instead of Bluetooth.
A wireless network card works the same as any TCP/IP network card, and most operating systems support virtual IP addresses. A second IP address can be tacked on to the card for it to join a specific network. Just don't give it a gateway address, and your device can sit on two networks. Once Apple and Microsoft see the benefit for users, they will roll it in as a feature. (Technically an OS should be able to accept multiple gateways, but in this case you don't need it.)
Have a stratux built it for a 130 no issues so far.
R J I was looking for him to mention it as well.
The built ones w ahrs is $240
@TerribleFire Does your stratux ahrs work accurately?
Mine doesn't
What happened to the Cessna 150 who had ADSB that was hit by a military plane a few years ago.
Hi Paul, when i connect my iPad via wifi to an adsb device i loose the cellular data service that i pay for on the iPad. Also loose the foreflight (internet) weather data and the ability to file flight plans thru foreflight. I'm essentially connecting to a dummy wifi network on the adsb device. (1) Is there a workaround for wifi connected adsb devices to still use the cellular data service while connected? (2) which adsb devices use bluetooth? Thanks!
I didn't have time to cover this, but the Stratus 3 allows this and is one of the selling points. I didn't try it because my iPad isn't cellular equipped.
Great question and answer!🙏🇺🇸👍
Your issue is just a setting on the iPad, there is a setting toggle to NOT USE cellular data *if* connected to a Wifi network (even a dummy one like the stratus). Find that setting under the cellular tab in settings, and set use cellullar data when connected to wifi!
This is better than the Jet I fly... you can't use portable GPS or ADS-B because the windows block all signals.
"True first world problems" - lol
I gather from the schematic diagram of how this system works, ADS-B out and ADS-B in are of zero use or help if one is a bush/mountain/backcountry pilot flying down canyons or through mountain ranges. What I mean is, ADS-B in/receive will not hear the output signal of nearby airplanes with ADS-B out/transmit, because the ADS-B out/transmit signal is only detected by special towers and not directly by nearby ADS-B in/receive devices. That's a bit of a bummer.
That should be ADS-B 2.0 but nowhere have I seen that they (the FAA) are talking about that. Having airplanes talk to other airplanes on a network (I have heard of people talking about that) shouldn't be difficult if the software is setup correctly. The transmit/receive hardware is already there. I do a lot of mountain flying with my airplane and never really fly into any controlled airspace so ADS-B is not so useful. However, during my flight training in complex airspace, ADS-B was invaluable and I really enjoyed the added information. I was able to find other aircraft much fast than: "Traffic at your 10 o'clock, low."
@@MJ-td3ij : Yeah, that is what I was thinking. I too fly almost exclusively in the boonies, and like you said, airplanes with ADS-B in must be receiving ADS-B out signals from pretty much every nearby airplane within line of sight (if not slightly more). So it is a bit surprising this wasn't in version 1.0 of ADS-B.
Hide 32 of those devices ( powered on ) in your buddy’s airplane , 5 in his car and just air mail about 100 of them to various airports. That shouldn’t cause any chaos
BustedWalletGarage you have raised a potential security issue that many might not have considered there. I guess Adsb transmitters would benefit from some form of authentication??
Just watch Star Trek when Jean-Luc Picard showed that the federation could read the transponder signals of the Kardasian War Ships. That was twenty years back.
I just purchased the Sentry unit have not yet used it - plan on using it tomorrow. I live in Canada and we use a satellite based ADS-B system. From my understanding it does not received the Canada Satellite based signals, is that correct? From my understanding it will pick up in-air aircraft that are ADS-B out.
Is foreflight the only software that will work? Is there a free soft ware in which to see other traffic?
Did he say, these portable devices meet the FAA requirements?
For sure you could make one of these for $350 or so. $50 GPS module, $150 in transmitting equipment, and the rest in computers and voltage controller. Could easily be that small and no need to be "installed"
Design, build, and get one certified for flight. Then sell your budget units for $50 over cost and make a profit.
Will this replace transponders?
Radar will never go away.
Yes, however ATC might not see it unless there is a discrepancy between it and the ADSB tracks.
Its just an upgrade of the transponder. Its able to report back actual gps coordinates. @@machinesandthings7121
For security and safety radar will never go away. Being able to scan and locate from the ground is immensely useful.
Radar barely works now, ATC is using transponders for nearly 100% of aircraft currently...
Haha the Joke at the end.
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How much would those dash units deviate the mag compass.
It's going to depend on the aircraft and how you mount it. I wouldn't have it near the compass, as you know metal components will interfer. Probably go to the farthest right or left as possible.
Wow! So fucking coooool!!!!
Out and IN confuse me. Its just a Wifi service right?
(one year later) As an Air Force avionics technician, the OUT is your plane giving required info to ATC. The IN is your plane RECEIVING info back from other planes/weather.
2:23 hahahahah I’m dead that’s funny
Anyone here heard about Foreflight moving to Android as primary operating platform? Pretty awesome news imho.
U.S. PATRIOT fake news
Without the "local package" it seems to me that just ADS-B In is not going to be worth the effort even if free. If you're flying along and the airplane w/Out that's headed towards you hasn't just received the local package to send to me then it's not going to work. Somebody who's knows please correct me if I'm wrong. Also you can build these from scratch with a Rasberry Pi SBC for around $100.
The 'Out' signal is what triggers the 'local package' to be broadcast. So the airplane with the 'out' signal will have it for sure, as well as anyone in his vicinity that has an 'in' receiver. An 'in' only airplane may not see all other traffic now, but that situation will improve greatly once 2020 passes and most aircraft will have the 'out' signal.
Yes, a ADSB In receiver by it self has limitations.The traffic picture will have holes. I had a Stratus ESG (complies with ADSB Out 2020) installed in my Skyhawk for about 3500 with the FAA rebate . With Foreflight and a $299 Scout I see a more complete 15 nm traffic view. The ADSB data is an aid to to good visual look out . I often have visuals on AC that I probably would not have seen without the ADSB point out. And these include situations where I maneuver before the visual to maintain separation . I have not heard many pilots that have flown an AC with In and Out that thought it was a waste of money.
anyone experiences loss of reception, the Dual happened twice, out of probably 10. Very disappointed. I followed your video to get the Dynon, the reception is terrible, on the ground and in the air. I compared side by side with the Garmin GDL50, the GPS accuracy is 93m, that's worse than my iPhone 7
Paul
While this is a bit dated, I liked it anyway.
I have a Stratux and, in a previous partnership, a Stratus 3. Frankly, the FIS-B is the most important element from a safety point of view. As a regular IFR pilot flying in plenty of IMC, I've noticed that weather is what is usually trying to kill me.
But TIS-B (traffic) is a very close second. And, of course, who does not like having a WAAS geo-located reference of their own location on their charts for situational awareness "only"? No one in their right mind does NOT want this.
I roll my eyes at the aviation super gods that extol the virtues of a paper chart as back up. Yeah, whatever. In my flight bag I have a back up cheap iPad with the same EFB installed and my iPhone with the same. You can store your paper where the sun don't shine.
The shameless plug that Paul gives himself for the article he wrote is, well, hucksterism. Entertaining hucksterism I might add.
That plane on the screen 709ch at 9:00 crashed and killed people damn near same time you filmed this I think
The following year... aviation-safety.net/wikibase/225921
Is there any GPS receiver that works with JEPPFD ?? For the iPad .
so if a terrorist wants to fly undetected he just turns off ads-b ??
That's already a thing. Your ANG fighters will still paint targets with active radar.
If these dont meet FAA requirements, and you are required to have ADS-B, why buy these things?
The 'dependant' bit should be dropped..then most folk might have a chance of remembering what the heck it stands for.Some folk mix it for Attention Deficit Syndrome....
Sell my plane and have more "ponies" then just rent a modern bland white plane.
Key word is surveillance
That's the raison d'être of air traffic control. Were they not keeping watch on aircraft, what would be the point?
Surveillance that's I am taking about so much and for what, to go into your packet, Fed. is money hungry.
@@joerye5700 I suggest you re-read your posts before hitting the [Enter] key.
@@seikibrian8641 Is that a thread moron's if you don't like the comments don't read it.
@@joerye5700 You missed my point. Your post doesn't make sense because it's poorly written. What does "Surveillance that's I am taking about so much" mean? And how does surveillance go into my packet? Are you trying to say the government is reaching into my pocket? Your second post is just as bad. What does "Is that a thread moron's" mean?
LOOK NEVER MIND ALL THAT BS !!! I'LND L STAY ON GROUND , AND TAKE THE TRAN !
Carl deFilippo what fun is that?
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Carl, does that make you 90+ years old? If so, good for you for staying connected on the internet. Hope I can be doing the same at that age.
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Hey Carl, wow! That’s really something. I completely understand and it sounds like RC flying keeps you connected. God bless you sir!
Hey, more gps tracking and loss of privacy
Single engine aircraft are for poor people.