John Pilger Slams Liberals' 'Willful Ignorance' On China & Ukraine War
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- Full interview with John: / john-pilger-kang-80697539
Journalist attributes Liberals' misunderstanding the Ukraine proxy war and China to willful ignorance. Plus he explains the difference between the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and the difference between understanding and approving. Plus the difference between Liberals and Leftists.
John Pilger has written dozens of books, including Heroes, Hidden Agendas, and Freedom Next Time. He's made over 60 documentaries, including Vietnam: The Quiet Mutiny, Year Zero: The Silent Death of Cambodia, The Secret Country: The First Australians Fight Back, The War You Don't See, The Coming War on China. He has appeared as a contributor on BBC Television Australia, BBC Radio, BBC World Service, London Broadcasting, ABC Television, ABC Radio Australia, among others, and his writing has appeared at The Guardian, The Independent, New Statesman, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The Nation: New York, The Age: Melbourne, The Sydney Morning Herald and more. Learn more about him at johnpilger.com/
0:00 why Americans misunderstand Ukraine proxy war
3:00 Liberals' hypocrisies
4:50 Liberals' opposition to negotiation
5:15 Difference between Iraq and Ukraine invasions
5:57 Difference between understanding and approving
6:25 The West's aims in Russia
7:12 Russophobia
7:54 Willful ignorance about China
9:13 Difference between US and China
10:21 Much to learn from China
10:48 Understanding is everything
11:15 Nuclear war threat
11:55 Australia's China-bashing
Willful ignorance on China
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Much much respect for John Pilger. We need more sane voices like his. Peace.
Pilger will say anything the Russia government wants him to say. Just look at his claim that Russia was not going to invade Ukraine three days before they did.
Sane is right, but in the land of insane the sane seem mad to many- one article against him recently said his worldview is weird, bizarre.
@@mizofan He is always going to slant his views towards those who are his paymasters.
@@michaelkatz275 he never has. what a lot of nonsense. The right would have been calling him an anti-war/lefti reporter in the Vietnam War. He always has called it, like he sees it. Suggest you go back and watch a view of early 60s/70s/80s interviews on the wars and crises of the times - he is the last of a bread of credible journists who tell the story and not the propaganda
@@SR-pr2xz Just what is it that gives you the impression that John Pilger is a journalist? He is at the beck and call of both the Chinese Ministry of Information and Russian FSB propagandists for the purpose of spreading disinformation. In February of 2022, he was summoned to London by the Russians to make the rounds throughout the various media organizations for the purpose of stating the case that Russia was absolutely not going to invade Ukraine. Three days later, Vladimir Putin let the world know about his Special Military Operation in Ukraine. Pilger's abilities in stretching credulity know no bounds. I wonder how much the Russians paid him for all those interviews.
Love that line: "In America, you can change parties, but not policies.. In China, you can't change the party, but you can change the policies."
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:Fact:
policies matter more than parties
In China you can get shot dead or jailed for a long time trying too. I know where I'd rather be...
That is the truth, when policies are to strict or out of touch, Chinese people demonstrate and if it goes on long enough and broad enough the government changes the policy, case in point is the Covid policy.
@@dickyutu9940 and they protested in Tiananmen Square in '89 , look what they got then...
John Pilger has been a reliable source of information for over half a century. ALWAYS on the right side of history. the man is a giant, intellectually and spiritually. And in all that time he has been attacked, derided, seen as on the fringes. Yet his integrity and dedication to truth seeking shines through. Amazing man. Watch all his films is my recommendation.
In the same way Pol Pot and Ho Chi Minh were on the 'right side of history.'
@@pruephillip1338 how’d the operation go? Praying for you Sally.
Well said, he's the most important film-maker of the century. So many fine films and Tv shorts to choose from- my own faves are Stealing a Nation, Secret Country: The First Australians Fight Back, Palestine is Still the Issue, The War on Democracy, The New Rulers of the World...
@@mizofan He's a neo-Marxist of the Dutschky 'long march through the institutions' type of guy. Professes concern for various groups and uses journalism as a source of politcal power. But Marxism never has and never will make a 'just' socieity, even if you get rid of the Jews, the whites, the Capitalists etc..
I have!😊
Great guest on your show. It's always great to listen to John Pilger, the much respected journalist. He gives you nothing but the truth.
All those MSM stenographers who call themselves journalists aren't fit to lick this mans shoes.
John Pilger a towering giant of real journalism.
Not journalism, propaganda.
@@frankjames1943 The guy has supported the Soviet, Russian, and Chinese positions for years, no matter the facts or the logic involved. He cannot be trusted.
he is a writer of novels full of horseshit
it is the same juridic scenario than NATO used for invasion of ex-Yugoslavia
Pilger is a God-tier journalist.
He's the final boss for neo-liberals
"The difference between the invasion of irak and the invasion of ukraine, is that on was entirely unprovoked, while the other one was entirely provoked."
JP is a hero and a legend. Last of the honest journalists.
ya especially recent a bunch of “journalists” questioning formal australian pm paul keating 😂😂😂
Pilger, Hedges, Taibi are the pillars of honest journalism
Norton, Hersch, Greenwald, Hedges, Pilger, Mate, Blumenthal, Goodman, Martin, there are some more! They are the hope for the future!
Don't forget Tucker Carlson, Russell Brand, and Nick Fuentes
Sure, if honest mean totally misrepresenting the views of those who don't agree with you. He should retire.
I was sitting outside at a lonely back street pub table in central London around 1990 and saw John walking thru. "Hi John!" I exclaimed smiling and raising my pint. "Hi!" he said smiling at the surprise recognition while continuing on...😊
I saw him once, must have been a similar time, strolling down Beauchamp Place, every inch the boulevardier.
Katie is growing into her maturity as a journo. Lovely to see
John Pilger is a diamond of journalism. Thank you for invitation of him!
John Pilger has been a great war reporter for decades, I have great deal of respect for this man as he seems to be on the right side of history as far as I can remember.
no, he is simply a Russian propagandist in the West. Probably works with some of their special services like GRU
John Pilger and Kate Halper thank you so much for your honesty views, please continue to inform and educate the world.
This is not an education, but a pure Russian propaganda
"The difference between the invasion of Ukraine and the invasion of Iraq was that one was entirely unprovoked, and the other was entirely provoked" - John Pilger THATS EXACTLY RIGHT and FACTUAL - well said, and that's the hole scenario expressed perfectly!
BS. Putin wants his Russian empire back and he's NOT getting it. Period.
Wasn't even an invasion. Listen to ritter. Donbass already declared independence which russia recognised and under collective self defense principal article 51 un charter came to their defence.
Não tem diferença, nas duas os EUA se meteram sem autoridade pra isso, como sempre fazem financiando guerras, golpes de estados tudo pra ter poder e dinheiro. Fim.
@@lozah9036 Ritter is full of it, you cant compare John to that guy seriously
@@peterkilby1497 don't find him to be "full of it". Find him extremely knowledgeable, honest and intelligent as military analyst. Much more so in this sphere than pilger. Found him most reliable source on ukraine. He has formidable military career and was chief weapons inspector in iraq. Also negotiated inf treaty. YOUR credentials to make such a banal statement? People like you resort to such banal insults when have no analysis or facts.
Pilger's attitude is perfectly what we need !
I remember as a child growing up in UK that there were investigative journalists and having to watch their weekly programmes which of course I didn’t enjoy but learned to appreciate later as it was part of what taught me to think more critically and consider what else is behind the headlines. John Pilger was one of those journalists. Sadly we don’t have any such programmes or journalists today. Thankfully I can do my own research and do not rely on msm to tell me what’s going on. Do agree that information is available if people make the effort to explore a little for themselves
“They take such a long view of everything.” So true. When Deng Xiaoping was asked what he thought of the French Revolution, his reply was, “it’s too soon to tell.”
Or he was like Einstein: "Professor, what do you think of human civilization?" - "It would be a good idea!"
Well then that's true of the Chinese revolution last century and even the American one: "The American Experiment"...
Current findings would indicate the American one is the failing one...
@@neovxr so the Chinese think ahead and the best even the smartest westerner can do is a silly joke.
That was a mistranslation that people bought into. It's not like he had any actual insight on the issue.
@@defenstrator4660 recall mccain in person syria/libya prove also cia did coup in ukraine?
recall 2001 wesley clark kill 7 country 5y 2001 memo said libya syria?
2.3 trillion missing 2001 to do proxy libya-syria?
bush nato restart cold war nato georgia speech-orange revolution 2004 sponsored by 2.3 trillion fund too ?
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Either borders are sacrosanct or they're not. We in the US have acted in Serbia, Syria, and other countries as though they're not. Now we want to pretend Ukraine's borders are. The world can see our arbitrariness even if our government, press, and too many of our people can not.
Entirely agree
Sadly a lot of canadian cannot ither.
That goes double for us in the U.K. we are very poorly served by the present generation of journalists . We really need more people like John Pilger .
So according to the New World Order fascists the Europeans were supposed to stand back and let Milosevich murder all the Bosnians and let a genocide happen in Europe without doing anything?
Yeah, but at no point has the USA tried to claim any territory in those countries, unlike Russia wanting part of Ukraine.
In the US you can change Parties,
then complain that the new one
is as incapable of change as the other....
John Pilger is one of the greatest living journalists is the world today.
no, he is simply a Russian propagandist in the West. Probably works with some of their special services like GRU
@@dyadyaB no, He's Australian. You must be a yank propagandist.
@@DelightLovesMovies it is not about ethnicity. He works for Russian propaganda
@@dyadyaB Id like to see you prove that but I already know you can't, so never mind.
@@DelightLovesMovies You don't need to prove something is a duck, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck.
Sure a biased "journalist" can ignore obvious signs. But just think about what side are you on in this war and get a rest with your soul.
USA never denied its mistakes with the war in Iraq for example. Russia never recognised ANY responibility for its genocides, ethnocides, imperial policy in the past and in the present. And even lying now about its invasion. Coward bastards and fascists - that is the side you are playing for.
Katie your brilliant, John is excellent. John you're 100 percent correct, there are many ignorant people who can't see beyond the mainstream. I know a few! Cheers guys🍻👍🍻👍
Pilger is a treasure - a breed of journalist that has died in recent decades...
no, he is simply a Russian propagandist in the West. Probably works with some of their special services like GRU
The only place to find true journalism these days is on the net. I live in Sweden and it's the same US propaganda and drivel as in the states.
@@dyadyaB Zelensky Churchill Putin Hitler. Putin was behind 9/11. Putin hid Saddam's WMDs. Putin set the reicshtag on fire. Russians assassinated Lincoln, and JFK. Russians were behind the black plague.
Well said John greetings from South Africa voice of reason be well
John thanks. You changed my life many years ago when I read your book "Secret Country". Thanks for your search and desire for the truth.
RIP Mr. Pilger! The news about his death was devastating.
Agreed. You listen to someone like John Pilger your whole life thinking how can he be the only sane voice amongst an endless line of gameshow hosts pretending to be journalists, then all of a sudden, they're gone and you realise there isn't really anyone else who does what he did. I really hope someone does carries on the torch.
@@paulconnelly4050 absolutely! A humane and rational journalist. He was iconic (only in a good sense).
I admire and respect you John , you're a great and moral driven man
admired this guy all my life,a proper reporter who has principles who we never hear of in the UK now but he is right about China great country but in the UK they are now a threat apparently,people in the UK need to educate themselves,john pilger is brilliant.
The CCP has burst China like an old balloon. Try and find out how much cash the twelve families who run China have managed to bank in the West via their children. Not billions but trillions.
Liberalism and hypocrisy, explains USA
John Pilger is one of the great journalists. When I emigrated to Australia in 1989, I bought his book 'A Secret Country' at Heathrow Airport in London. It is an honest and compelling look at Australian society, both good and bad. When I arrived at my destination, having completed the book, I was conscious that I would be viewing my new country with very different eyes. I re-read Pilger's book not so long ago and found it impossible to fault his observations three decades later. To reinterpret Pilger's words on your program, perhaps he could be China, for he takes the long-term view and has a fearful intelligence about how the world is. Clearly, John Pilger has lived by his rule that understanding is everything.
Great guest and great host. Thanks Katie and John.
Great guest, Katie.
"They agreed that it was neither possible nor necessary to educate people who never questioned anything." -Catch 22
What Mr Pilger, and other critics such as John Mearsheimer, omit to state is that NATO expansion was driven by the countries formerly under the domination of the Soviet Union, rather than the existing members of NATO trying to expand. In the 1990s President Clinton pushed the "Partnership for Peace", which omitted an Article 5 equivalent. This was unacceptable to Poland in particular who pushed and prodded for full NATO membership. The West is expanding almost by osmosis, by counties who are frightened of Russia, rather than some nefarious scheme to expand on the part of the US and its allies.
Exactly right, the East is shifting West, why, because the have had a good dose of Soviet occupation and oppression and don’t want it back, and they don’t trust Russians who they see as no different to their Soviet predecessors. What Pilger and Mearsheimer should at least acknowledge is they speak in safety from free societies where they can take an opposing position without fear, alas this is not so in Russia or China
Actually the eastward expansion of NATO was driven by the US foreign policy elite. The US has always controlled NATO - the hint is in its name.
I paused this video and am trying to watch John Pilger's documentary The Coming War on China. It is painful to watch, I had to pause watching the documentary because it was just too much.
the truth is hard to handle...I cry for the bikini islands and esp its inhabitants....imagine if china did half as much how will they be portrayed?
Fantastic human. Thanks again. He does Australia proud.💕
:Understanding is everything". Never was a truer phrase spoken John. You are so correct. It's the one concept which eludes Western thinking. I dont think you could find one person in a million who define for you, what "understanding" is.
Real talk.
In Ignorance We Trust, should be America's new slogan.
Wow u have the legendary John Pilger on your show.. speaking sense as always.
i've given up chatting with most people on these issues. All
I want to do is better understand the world trying to be as impartial as possible. Clearly that seems to be too offensive for some people
Well, being impartial, it cannot be as simple as blaming America for everything.
"We were ALL Born Ignorant", Bur one Must Work Hard to Remain that Way....
No. Ignorance is the easy path. That's why it's hard for social progress over technological...
The west thought they knew everything. 😁😁
An admirable person, much respect for speaking truth to the powers and exposing hypocrites and their brutality to the world.
Thank you for introducing me to j pilger, Katie!
I love Documentary and analysis of all John Thanks again Brian for a Great video
Great - another voice in search of the truth.
I always laugh at americans that think liberalism means leftism. It actually means the opposite. Liberalism means liberal laws for companies, low regulation. So liberalism is a right wing policy.
That's Libertarianism, not Liberalism.
@@mpvmenon maybe in your language / country lol
Pilger one of the most sane voice of journalism,nice to see him
Great to hear this conversation, 👍🏽👍🏼👍🏽👍🏼 Katie Halper, John Pilger, wonderful man!
John Pilger is awesome.
Many CPC members are educated in the US, so they have the viewpoint of both sides, whereas most US politicians (if not all) have never traveled to China nor study China and don't speak nor understand Chinese.
Katie, your channel is growing! Congrats!
Great stuff as always KH 👏 John is a big global 'asset' and as he says, you should know the big 'buts' but you just musn't lie! 😇 While were at it, let"s just say #FreeJulianAssange 💕 #FreeJulianAssangeNow 🥳
Thank you for bringing in a true living Legend of investigative journalism. Not like the mouthpiece propaganda journalists we have working for mainstream media oligarchs today.
he is a media trollop
Old school journalists. Pilger is a great reminder that it was once possible for a journalist to follow the facts and the story, and be held in high esteem as a human being. Be hard pressed to find anyone like it today in Australia. Seymore Hersch, Glenn Greenwald, Halper, and a couple of others in the U.S. Very few who are not blinded by their ideological or class partisanship
Excellent Katie - a legend of a guest. He should be required reading here in AUKUS Australia, but we are nowhere near that..
Freedom is consumer goods abondance remember the happiest time for the British population was during the British opium wars at home the British police did not cary a weapon to make look Britain like a Paradis.
@@robertberger8981to make Briton look like a paradise
no, he is simply a Russian propagandist in the West. Probably works with some of their special services like GRU
@@dyadyaB sorry you were dropped on your head as a child
@@dyadyaB Yes, Murdoch-$hill $ergey is simply fixed by FoX - $UCKA!
So insightful video. Thank you for this analysis. ❤
When I was growing up, the word "liberal" was synonymous with the word "hypocrite."
Good on you John, not many people use their common scene like you do, looking at both sides is always the way to go.
The only thing I disagree about is that our attitude towards Russia, is that we want to control them and they don't want to be controlled. That is a true today in capitalist Russia as it was in the USSR. Putin saw/sees the damage done by an oligarchy and we mistakenly think it is okay.
War creep taps into primal fear
Talking of creeps.....
Brilliant ❤❤❤
One of the true great journalists of the planet 🌎 fist saw him in the Vietnam war On tv I was a young teenager and I thought John was fantastic !
What about the threat of NATO expansions? isn't this understood yet?
John pilger is simply the best,
A living legend
JP is talking better than ever
Domination is a willful action and thinking. The hatred from westerners is one of racism.
Vladimir Kara-Murza at his 25 year sentencing by Putin’s regime: “I am proud that Boris Nemtsov brought me into politics. And I hope that he is not ashamed of me. I subscribe to every word that I have spoken and every word of which I have been accused by this court. I blame myself for only one thing: that over the years of my political activity I have not managed to convince enough of my compatriots and enough politicians in the democratic countries of the danger that the current regime in the Kremlin poses for Russia and for the world. Today this is obvious to everyone, but at a terrible price - the price of war.”
In Pilger we trust!
Come on John, just call out the Military Industrial Complex and their Billionaire investers...Tell them about Planet Profit!!!
The invasion of ucraine was entirely justified.
Nato had expressed it's wish to subsume ucraine into it's architecture, and, it's vision to impose regime change, and dismember the state of Russia the more easily to rape it of it's natural resources. It had built up, armed and trained a proxy force in a neo-nazi state.
All this and more, yet Pilger and Halper can both sit there, wag their heads and sagely declare..."well of course it was wrong for Russia to invade". You could almost be a sort of soft-arm of the US hegemon....damning Russia with regretful words for doing, what is anyway I believe legal in international law, defending itself from a clear threat of invasion.
Terry Aherne Russia wants to do the exactly same thing in Ukraine with the difference that they are doing that now, while NATO would have not invade the nuclear armed Russia for the next 100 years.
If Putin thought the proxy war with the new anti-Russian regime in Ukraine would have led to the collapse of Russia he would have not started the damn war.
He did so he didn’t think what you said, Putin is as imperialist as USA, he’s just weaker
Maybe get off the propaganda crack pipe
Willfully and woefully lgnorance.
That should read "willful and woeful ignorance" OR "willfully and woefully ignorant" to be grammatically correct.
What point we're you making again?.....
What's striking about this conflict is the almost total consensus within the political class and the mainstream journalists about the conflict in Ukraine. Questioning, debate, criticism, dissent, opposition, neutrality... has virtually vanished. Within the US mainstream, the only voice asking akward questions is, Tucker Carlson on Fox News! This is amazing. Carlson is a very conservative guy and Fox News is an arch conservative news platform. There is nobody on the liberal side, within the mainstream, compararble to Tucker Carlson, and that should worry liberals and the left, because, if they have become more militarist and warlike than Fox News, then something is terribly, terribly, wrong.
The war is being framed, presented, and channeled to liberals and the left as a simplified, cartoon, re-run, version of the Spanish Civil War. Also, the left have abandoned understanding of economics, war and class politics, for 'wokeness' 'identity' and 'gender'. This is a disaster.
So Rare - So True !!! Thank You so very much.
Love John Pilger, everyone should read his book called Hidden Agenda. Thank u Katie for having him as a guest speaker.
It was the Spanish friars, who were probably the first to develop this kind of social engineering, to preach the people in the colonies into intellectual and spiritual submission.
Same with the Neocons, doing domestic colonization. They have many charismatic preachers, that do the archbishop job for the king.
(Who is king? Probably those who do the land and resource grabbing, tried with Yukos/Rosneft etc., failed, and now do it in Ukraine - see Burisma)
They switched to secular morals, using the woke buzzwords of the season. In the sixties they would have adopted quotes by Jim Morrison. Perhaps also Charles Manson, before the murders happened. Manson was a great preacherman as well. This type of thing is going on right now.
People fall to smart preachings, because this has been the culture since the Pilgrim Fathers.
Would they be the same friars that prevented the indigenous people from enslavement?
@@conlaiarla Of course not. There is a spectrum. World-wide known are 3 friars who were ethnic filipino and were murdered by the regime. OTOH Padre Damaso is the distilled picture of the corrupt guy who collaborates with the regime or was sent by the central government, together with the viceroy or district governor.
You never know who is talking, until something happens. Name the tree after its fruit, but it may take time.
The big structure of corruption started one step earlier with the Reconquista in Andalus.
Today again, utterly skillful but deadly dishonest preaching is escalating the war.
Again it is a career thing for the warlords, some industries, and the eliticist cabale on top.
Soldiers and friars are the heart of the colonial toolbox.
NATO plus preachers like Stoltenberg and Tim Snyder or structurally Voice of America have a very similar role.
@@conlaiarla they dont deal with complexity.
About Liberalism, the best insight to me came when UKIP guy Carl Benjamin said he is a classic Liberalist, and explained how the King and the elites agreed upon obeying to the same law.
So it was about sharing the power of the King. The peasants and normal people had no say, their life happened like in the story between Robin Hood (to soothe the souls) and the Sherriff of Nottingham.
To me, Liberalism is the arch enemy of grassroots politics. We see it every day. AOC is one of the social climbers that show it to us.
I bet if you lived in a conservative “ Christian “place like Texas , you would change your tune. Liberals are the Only hope to make any reforms or ANY ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. Your alternative is christian fascism.
After John Pilger claimed that " Russia was absolutely not going to invade Ukraine," three days before Putin gave the order, one would think that people would take anything he had to say with a large grain of salt. Apparently however on this channel that is not the case, given the amount ignorant praise heaped upon this old propagandist.
Ukraine has always been European even before the first Vikings rowzd down the river. Kyiv was a meeting point for Orthodox, Catholics, Jews and later Protestants, a crossroads between northern Europe, the Black Sea and the Mediterranean and the vast Mongol and Ottoman Empires.
Muscovy\Russia has always aspired to be European but never succeed. Having extended their empire the Pacific they then decided to continue to attempt to become European by conquest.
Weaponizing the Dollar backfired 😂 RIP 🪦
Speaking of the Russian military invasion of Ukraine in the absence of the existential threat the west's political and economic invasion of Ukraine poses to Russia and in the absence of any discussion of the repeated efforts Putin's government made to negotiate an acceptable settlement without war and then merely saying that Russia's actions were "provoked but not justified" is in my view intellectual malpractice. I agree with Scott Ritter. Russia's action is legitimate pre-emptive self-defense before the Ukrainian nationalists could overwhelm and ethnically cleanse Donbas and before NATO could firmly set up shop with nuclear weapons right on Russia's border. I'm sorry, but as devastating as this war is, Russia IS justified, especially since Russia even tried to negotiate a quick end to the war last April, and it was the collective west and its puppet regime in Kiev that rejected peace.
Bullshit!
You missed the implied point that there is a fundamental difference between balance of power politics and human ethics.
By any reasonable ethical standards invading another country which poses no immediate threat is unethical and by definition a war crime under international law.
Balance of power politics in international relations, by contrast, operates in an anarchic system in which international law is not enforced and nations take often unethical steps to guard against possible future attacks against them.
Russia clearly had a choice not to invade Ukraine - clearly NATO was not threatening to attack Russia in the immediate future.
Unfortunately for Russia and Ukraine Putin miscalculated the US response, apparently failing to realise the extent of American ruthlessness and recklessness.
When it comes to trusting the US poor old Russia just never seems to learn.
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Part 2 (of 3). "Ukraine's fatal steps"
Earlier, the head of the troops of the Radiation Chemical and Biological Protection, Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov, said that the United States was transferring the work of biological laboratories from Ukraine to Poland and the Baltic states. During the special operation, the Russian military discovered more than 20,000 documents confirming the Pentagon's focus on creating biological weapons components and testing them on the population of Ukraine and other states along the perimeter of Russia's borders. On March 6, 2022, the official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense announced that during the course of a special military operation in Ukraine, facts of an emergency cleansing of traces of a military biological program by Kyiv were revealed.
U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland said during a speech before the Senate in March 2022 that there are biological research facilities in Ukraine, Kyiv and Washington are now working to prevent materials accumulated there from falling into the hands of Russian forces.
- 8 years of shelling by Ukrainian troops of territories that did not recognize the Nazi coup d'état in 2014 with numerous casualties among civilians (14,000 people died). Shelling was carried out mainly on non-military infrastructure facilities, villages and cities in the hope of making life there unbearable and encouraging the local population to leave this territory. Their argument (words from a video of Ukrainian soldier in a trench) -“Is that there are no pro-Ukrainian residents there, pro-Ukrainian people have already left for Ukraine, they are separatists” (means - you can kill them. It doesn't matter that these are civilians).
- What usually unites people in difficult years? That's right - a common language and faith. Today, Orthodoxy for the West is the basis of Russianness. Therefore, it must be destroyed. Therefore, in order to destroy unity, it is necessary to destroy the common Orthodox faith. How to do it? Let me say a few words from history. Attempt to split the Russian Church in Ukraine is not the first- the Union of Brest in 1596 replaced Orthodoxy with Catholicism for Western Ukrainians through the efforts of the Poles. The second attempt to create their own church was made by Ukrainian nationalists in 1917. The weakening of the church played into the hands of the communists - they were atheists. This was a serious mistake of the short-sighted communists. The church and society were also split. And in 1920, the split of the church was partially successful - the Ukrainian church received autocephaly. After all, this is possible only in one case - there, the nationalist-minded Ukrainian church authorities do not, in the depths of their souls, consider themselves to be a single Russian church and are constantly trying to separate, there is no other explanation. Thus, they are the conductors of the Polish narrative - Ukrainians are not Russians. That's how deep Polish metastases have penetrated. In 2018, President Poroshenko created a schismatic church in Ukraine that supports nationalism and war. To help him, the United States and Canada sent their priests to begin this process of schism. Their personalities are very interesting from the point of view of Ukrainian nationalism - they are the best for this. But their plans are more grandiose - get rid of the remnants of the Russian Orthodox Church (destroy the Russian world), they consider the new schismatic Ukrainian church as an organization that largely influences the huge masses of people in Ukraine, the right people are already everywhere and are firmly connected with the special services USA, Canada and UK. Ukrainian propaganda says today that the Orthodox priests of Ukraine - are Moscow priests (this is a direct quote). Although most of the priests were born and raised in Ukraine and speak Ukrainian. And today we see the expulsion of Orthodox priests from churches, criminal cases for Russian books, accusations of spying for Russia, the seizure of churches. This is happening right now, before our very eyes. The people are not blind, they see it all and understand what is happening. Why did I pay so much attention to this? Russians have great respect for their church and it is a veeery, veeery important part of their national code.
All these steps, fatal for Ukraine, were made under the influence of Western countries and led to war. Russia made all diplomatic overtures to prevent such a development of events. Minsk agreements - These are concrete steps to resolve the conflict between the rebellious regions and the new Nazi authorities. The Minsk agreements were invented by Russia and they leave the rebel regions within the borders of Ukraine (Russia especially insisted on this !!!) but with an autonomous status. That is, Russia fought to the end for the preservation of Ukraine within its borders. Ukraine completely ignored these agreements, the guarantors of which were Germany and France, By relying on a forceful solution to the problem (by destroying the Russians in the Donbass - these are the historical lands of the Russian empire until 1922, which Ukraine did not return to Russia after leaving the USSR in 1991). For all 8 years, the Guarantors did not demand the fulfillment of the Minsk agreements from Kyiv. Later it became clear why: in December 2022, former German Chancellor Angela Merkel admitted: «the Minsk agreements were an attempt to give Kyiv time to strengthen» - she said in an interview with the Die Zeit newspaper. In this way from the very beginning, no one was going to perform them. Ukraine needed time to pump up Western weapons against the Donbass. The Minsk agreements gave them that time. In November 2022, Russian pranksters on behalf of the former US Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul called the former President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, who signed the Minsk agreements. Poroshenko, thinking he was talking to an American, said that he "needed these agreements" in order to "get at least 4.5 years" to "form the Ukrainian armed forces, build the Ukrainian economy and train the Ukrainian military along with NATO to create the best army in Eastern Europe”. (Video of this conversation is available online). He got almost twice as much time as he expected - as much as 8 years to strengthen. Russia has been deceived again. Putin was discouraged by this admission. He sincerely believed Angela Merkel in the issue of supporting the peaceful resolution of the conflict following the Minsk agreements. In an interview in December 2022 , he was asked to comment on Angela Merkel's confession. It was evident how he was discouraged by Merkel's recognition of the sabotage of the Minsk agreements by Germany and France from the very first minutes after the signing, his purely human emotions are clearly visible at the same time - confusion by this betrayal. He couldn't expect that from someone he truly believed. Then he slowly said that the decision to launch a special military operation was correct in the light of the newly discovered circumstances (from Frau Merkel). “The Minsk agreements of 2014-2015 gave Ukraine time to strengthen the country’s armed forces. Yes, Angela Merkel is right. The Minsk agreements stopped the Russian offensive for a while. Ukraine “strengthened its military position”, the country’s army has become better trained and equipped compared to 2014. It is the merit of the Minsk agreements that the Ukrainian army got such an opportunity, "- said on December 30, 2022 in an interview with The Kiev Independent, the former French President Francois Hollande (he held this position from 2012 to 2017) and is one of the signatories of the Minsk agreements. They all lied to Russia, no one was going to peacefully resolve this conflict from the very beginning at the signing.
- In December 2021, Russia sent Requests to NATO and the USA to ensure security for Russia. These were concrete proposals for a new security architecture for the whole of Europe. They were beneficial to everyone ..... except the USA. (Russia offered to fulfill the promises of the West not to expand to the east and return to the state of NATO in 1997 - before expansion). Refusals came from the US and NATO. In fact, Russia called on the West to fulfill its promise given to Gorbachev the quote: "NATO will not come an inch closer to Russian borders." The naive Gorbachev took his word for it without concluding a written agreement on this matter, and of course he was deceived. He withdrew all Russian troops from Europe and reunited both Germany, and then he was cynically deceived - there were 5 waves of NATO expansion to the east.
It's daunting that USA my country is all about hating others , that's the worst bigotry ,my brain hurts with this realization...
The difference between the Iraq invasion and the Ukraine invasion could not be more total. There was never a justification for our action in Iraq. The defense of Ukraine will determine the world security situation and the spread of authoritarianism for the next 30-40 years.
The Nazies with a jew as president was russophobe while some Russians (Russophobe too probably😂) are fighting to his side against Putin.
Great admire of him, one thing I disagree is that is" other" but the military industrial complex responsible for USA foreign policy and therefore the wars.
Thank you guys
It's pretty hard to notice what's actually happening in the real world - when one's gaze is so intently focused inside one's own freaking navel while busy contemplating one's latest, Uber-aggrieved, designer, oh so freaking special - micro-identity of the week. Just saying.
Thank you for this. I'm always thrilled to hear Pilger's voice and perspective.
Part 3 (of 3). "Ukraine's fatal steps"
- On December 30, 2021, a video call took place between Putin and Biden, in which Biden promised not to deploy strike offensive weapons (missiles) in Ukraine. Then, apparently, Biden received a thrashing from someone for this promise, and already at the meeting of the USA and Russia in Geneva on January 10, 2022, the USA completely forgot about this promise, which led the Russians to extreme bewilderment and ascertaining the fact of another US deception. "The flight time for conventional missiles from Kharkov (Ukraine) to Moscow will be 7 minutes,"- Putin once said on June 9, 2021.
The question is closed. Russia acted not just logically, but super logically - it began the process of denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine in order to stop all threats. What would the US do in Russia's place? I think they would have bombed cities for a long time only at a hint of a threat. I draw this conclusion on the basis of all the pretexts for starting all military operations on the part of the United States over the past 60 years (and if you dig deeper, you can unearth more than one case of far-fetched US military intervention in military conflicts around the world). Ukraine has pulled together 260 thousand troops to pacify the Russian rebellious regions of Ukraine by force. How to protect Russians in these areas? - Russia thinks. There is no choice and Russia reacts - February 21, 2022 it recognizes the independence of the new states (For 8 years, Russia refused to do this despite the desperate requests of these rebellious regions. Russia fights to the end for the preservation of the borders of Ukraine, hoping for the implementation of the Minsk agreements, which preserved the integrity of Ukraine, but gave the rebellious regions the status of autonomies within Nazi Ukraine) and concludes an agreement with them on mutual security. Exactly like a blueprint, repeats the trick of the Americans with Kosovo. But there the Americans were forced invented the reason in the form of a non-existent genocide of the Serbs against the Kosovars, which in reality did not exist. The Russians repeated this trick, only the threat at this time was real - 260 thousand Ukrainian troops ready to massacre the Russians of the Donbass and Lugansk people's republics. By the way, the Russians insistently urged the Americans then not to make such a legal precedent with Kosovo - otherwise anyone could use it in future. But the Americans did not heed this Russian warning, the precedent was nevertheless created by the Americans, the Pandora's box was opened and the Russian took advantage of it twice - the situation with the recognition of Crimea and these two republics as independent, then referendums on joining Russia (there was not even a referendum in Kosovo - it was simply decided by the local parliament there. Russians made a referendum as required by law - the highest degree of democracy. Ideally.)
And already in mid-April 2022, in his interview with the BBC, Zelensky said that the country had begun preparing for a clash with Russia since December 2021. Thus, we can conclude that Zelesky's curators are striving to create such conditions in Ukraine that are guaranteed to draw Russia into a military conflict. With his statement, he only confirmed what Russian politicians and experts have always said: NATO was preparing Ukraine for war with Russia. As it is already known today from the documents seized in Ukraine, Russia preempted the Ukrainian invasion of the Donbas by only 12 days, thereby avoiding numerous civilian casualties. Today we already know what awaits people only suspected of being loyal to Russia, and some simply accepted humanitarian products from Russia and were killed for it. Dozens of videos of executed civilians for this. Donbass was awaited by a sea of blood of civilians, there is no doubt. Now we know that it was these intelligence data that finally spurred Russia to launch a pre-emptive operation. In March 2022, Putin, when presenting the Hero of Russia Star to Artyom Zhoga, which his son was posthumously awarded, said the following phrase: “If there was at least one chance to solve this problem by other, peaceful means, we, of course, would use this chance. But they didn’t leave us this chance, they simply didn’t give it. There was simply no other choice."
A lot of time has passed since the beginning of Russia's special military operation in Ukraine. Some observations and conclusions can be made. And there is an important point here: Russians treat Ukrainians as a single Russian people (which all historical documents irrefutably prove), as brothers sparing the civilian population, and Ukrainians consider themselves not Russians (as the Poles wanted from the 13th century, starting this project "Ukraine"), and the Russians are considered a foreign hostile nation demanding the total destruction of every single one, including babies. Hence such a different war on both sides, the attitude towards prisoners and civilians.
Why is Russia advancing so slowly? - many people ask. The short answer is that Russia is fighting carefully, with one hand behind its back, sparing the civilian population and civilian infrastructure as much as possible (this does not apply to dual-use infrastructure. For example, in Iraq, all dual-use infrastructure was first destroyed, even those objects that could only theoretically be used by the Iraqi military, and only after that NATO troops began to enter the country. A classic of any war). This greatly slows down the army, but it was an ironclad political decision and the Russian army strictly implements it. Then there was the factor of a stretched front and a small Russian army. Began deliveries of weapons to Ukraine by the West. More people were needed for the Russian army in the face of massive Western support for the Ukronazis with weapons from the West. In Russia, a partial mobilization of 300 thousand people + about 70 thousand volunteers took place. The initial plan of Russia failed - to frighten the Ukrainian leadership and immediately sign the necessary agreements in March 2022. A significant calculation was made on the internal Ukrainian opposition, which convinced Russian intelligence that they would support the Russian troops. It was a bluff. The opposition was immediately suppressed, the Ukrainian leadership began resistance. Russia constantly offered to stop the bloodshed and negotiate, which contradicted the plans of the US and Britain to prolong this conflict as long as possible to weaken Russia. "We want to see Russia weakened to such an extent that it cannot do such things as it did...", Loyd Austin said in April 2022, his press conference in Poland was broadcast by NBC. But nevertheless, some agreements between Russia and Ukraine were nevertheless agreed upon and the delegations met in Istanbul in March 2022. As a gesture of goodwill and creating an atmosphere favorable for negotiations, Russia withdrew many of its troops from many territories in Ukraine. But Boris Johnson immediately rushed to Ukraine with a sharp protest and an ultimatum to Ukraine. The meaning is this: there will be some kind of negotiations with Russia, then Ukraine can forget about the help of the West (this did not fit into the plans of the West to drag out the conflict). Therefore, the negotiations in Istanbul were immediately curtailed by the Ukrainian delegation. Russia had no choice but to regroup the army, make personnel appointments in the leadership of the army, level the front, and take advantageous positions in November-December 2022.
Great content this week creator!
Great interview
great mind, very intellectual content
Thanks Katie
This is partly a consequence of single-member district, winner-take-all elections, which forces us to use broad-brush catch-all categories as organizing principles.
Mad respect & appreciation to you both truly!🙏🏾
Thanks for posting.