Thank you for explaining that to those who are clearly sleep. Lol de eal talk. We are clearly different people. Let's face it, black don't crack & something about " white ain't right.
Amazing how a group of people who once were "othered" in their ancestral country, can come to America and get amnesia in order to check the white box for race.
White liberal or white conservative...the operative word is 'white'. And there will always be a cultural disconnect and insensitivity when it comes to the Black experience
@@147waverly9 who is always working? Because every time I turn on discovery ID or snapped all I see is white. And every time the news reports a mass shooting its a white man🙄🙄
@@oscarmaxwell9616 Nah! She's on Rising with Brianna Joy Gray. She hasn't changed and is as far right as is "palpable" for tv. She tries to be slick by "agreeing" but always looking for the gotcha! Brianna keeps her in check though.
@@gun_toting_lefty That's way too simplified & easy to make the tired assumption that she's "far right.' Let's just say I'm very familiar with her, and assure you that she is most certainly not. However what she is... is tired and disgusted of our own friends in journalism & media playing the propaganda game of gaslighting, hypocrisy, self righteousness and elitism/classism. The close mindedness going on right now is STUNNING. The liberal minded used to QUESTION the establishment & didn't play the war game. Now those same people are doing just the opposite. That's what her deal is. She's repulsed by her own people's bulls--t & is calling it out.
Overall wokeness is knowing our history and not his story, Being aware of racism and identifying it, and the refusal to be blind to the facts. Not being black blind and taking advantage of basically. Standing for our civilized rights as a American. 💯
RIGHT ON! ASI ES! There are too many people falling for the B/S White Conservative [FALSE] REDEFINING of "woke" so that it can suit their purposes/political agenda in order to deny "Ethnic minorities from achieving fairness, justice, & equality.
Did you catch that 37:53 “THAT ARE NOT SCREWED OF THE COPS ANYMORE” She didn’t even see how she is defending a racist ideology even still she fails to want to acknowledge this racist thing exists a if she has the mind set of the common thought of by not speaking of it You don’t give it existence. And this be the problem the lighter skin seems to have a view based on there privileged success. They are used just for that to try and neutralize any info that will start to treat down that paradigm.
She agrees just to rebuttal in disagreement.. if you can’t see how the education of the former slave master is in every thing he touched through the education system you will not be able to deprogram what is necessary to see the truth and separate the lie and deception.
She actually showed her hand with her response to Roland’s HBCU/PWI example. She immediately said that’s a “class” issue which was dripping in the assumption that a black student going to an HBCU comes from a lower socioeconomic status than a black student going to a PWI.
She did have to stretch her effort and (and her vocabulary!) a little more with Roland than shes probably use to. I hope she appreciates the challenge and grows her knowlege. Shes on the track and great that shes noticing this stuff that can be so subtle. Hope it's an intro and begin afdressing it constructively. Honestly, theres a lot of stuff white people are just not aware that we do or think until its pointed out to us. Sounds dumb. I know. It is. But we dont know what we don't know i think we are the majority. We like to know. Then we can tell others. We have to start somewhere. Every day.
@@christinagurchinoff1517 I took this debate as the comparison to ironing a wrinkle out of linen that as soon as yhe fabric cools down the wrinkle peeks back out. I don't think she benefitted at all. By tomorrow morning she'll be right back in error
@@christinagurchinoff1517 time will tell. It is possible to live in a bit of a bubble and not realise the awful truth. We all do it to some extent anyway. I was impressed that Rolands point is zzvisibly affected her. Gd willicng she will encounter a moment of truth. I don gthink xhd is inherently a hater
Poor woman had her book published, went on Roland's show, made all kinds of assertions, but couldn't see the forest for the trees. Perhaps she should have had 'this conversation' while she was still in the writing phase.. Ah, well, there's always 'revised editions' [some of them simply love revisionism].
Batya is a good example of a lot of white people. They take everything at surface level. Also, they think everything begins with white people. They think the only people with perspectives are white people. Everything she mentioned that she thought started with white "liberals/progressives" actually started with Black people. She also learned that it's not about the label, it's about the substance (i.e police reform vs. Defund the Police). Even though Roland dropped some gems, Batya will still continue to espouse the same rhetoric, because she's programmed and paid to do that and not to become enlightened.
Like Roland said, she's on Fox News by design. Her down talking progressives, democrats, "woke" speak, and saying the issues is not racism, is the reason they keep asking her back.
I see her as problematic because how she positioned her title. Use another word because what she is doing is being apart of the ongoing White Supremacists problem. She says that liberals dumb down to talk to black people indicating that dumbing down is condescending to Black people because of stereotypes that we’re unintelligent. She should have focused her attention to the gas lighting that white elites and politicians do to white people no matter the white person’s class. She’s trying to align herself with caring about Black people by doing the same thing she’s accusing white liberals, who to Roland’s point who her perspective is so narrow. It’s projection.
Oh please try comparing a Don Lemon, Joy Reid to a Harris Faulkner and Lawrence Jones or Leo Terrell… it’s clear who the grifters are who are standing on the backs of the lower class
People like her annoy the hell out of me. They wanna tell us what the problem is and act like they want the black opinion on the subject matter. Then when we give them the answer they dont accept it. How is she gonna tell us how we are supposed to feel when we go for a job and out rank all the applicants and still dont get the job. I dont care if its because the employee is racist, biased, or they give the job to their nephew with no experience. All of those are unequal treatments.!!!
This discussion is the best thing I have heard all year. I really enjoyed the insight from Roland, and Batya Ungar-Sargon listening. I especially enjoyed Roland breaking down how the media tries to control the narrative in relationship to defund the Police which reinforces, how the right and mainstream media try to gaslight what dissent law abiding people mean by defund the Police
My guess is her take away might be that youre defending whitey. I hope she knows you because she would know thats not something you do. Statistically for someone like me who can barely spell the word i can see the number of hoighty toighty white people shes pissed at is a very small number. I say go for it! Tear them up! That will take about 3 hours a week then get your self down here where there arebthose¹ enough hours1 in a week
Conversations like these are exactly what America needs. I am not sure if this Young had an agenda but it seemed more like she just didn't know and has been stuck in a conservative bubble her whole life. Time will tell if she is authentic but she seemed to be taking a lot of information in that she never considered before. She will still be conservative but I think she will see things with more open eyes now.
Because we all live in a society together. We walk the same land together. We breathe the same air. We are brothers and sisters that act like we are so different, when in reality, we’re very much alike. Just because you’re black and I’m white, doesn’t mean I don’t know how you feel in a situation and acting like two skin colors makes us extremely different is really silly, for lack of better words. I thought black people wanted out of segregation. I know for a fact that whites don’t want segregation in this country again. So why do blacks segregate every chance they get? With comments like you just made, you prove my point. Acting like white people don’t know how it feels to be “in your skin” is mental segregation at least. Yes, I know how you feel just like you know how I feel. Disrespect is disrespect. We’ve got to stop acting like we are so different. We are AMERICANS. Not African American, not European American, just American. That is, unless you were literally born in Africa or Europe. But either way, we are all here together forever and shouldn’t we be making the best of it? Native Indians, Whites, and Blacks should be united together and standing against the infiltration of illegal immigrants right now! We should be fighting side by side to protect our future. Not pushing each other away. Hope you take this message with an open mind and not a racist mind because I’m trying to have open dialogue. That’s all. Peace ✌🏼✌🏿
@@BlaineO Not sure where this is coming from but as I said you can’t tell me how to feel and I can’t tell you how to feel. So it’s settled. It’s clear from your response you live in a totally different world. I’m sorry I don’t know how it feels like to be you and wake up as a white man everyday and vice versa. We will never walk in each others shoes! You will never know how it feels to walk in the shoes of a black person in America. We can express to you, but it’s up to you to listen, take it in, educate yourself, and not negate our feelings. So it’s easy for you to say all you have said. I would love for everyone to get alone. I have no problem with that. I get alone with anyone until they cross me. But unfortunately I live in reality where people are treated differently simply by the way they look. Educate yourself. God Bless you and I pray when white people say racist things around you that you stand up for us and say all of what you said to me when no one is looking 😁✌🏾
@@BlaineOYOU COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG ,,,,HAVE YOU GROWN UP IN ANY BLACK GETTO OR EXPERIENCE RACIST RANTS BECAUSE YOUR DARK BROWN OR KNOW HOW ANY BLACK PERSON FEELS OR ANY ASIAN PERSON FEELS ITS EASY TO HAVE WHITE SKIN NOT HAVE SOMEONE GET IN YOUR FACE OR HEAR RACIAL JOKES ,,,NO ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW HOW ANYONE FEELS BECAUSE YOUR NOT IN THEIR SHOES !!!!!
Karen: _I'm going to write a book about how 'woke White liberals' are condescending to 'the Blacks' and to do so, I as a White woman, will use a Black term and invert the meaning unironically and use it as part of the title of my book._
Totally agree. She ironically is a white Candace Owens, she goes on Fox and plays the "center liberal" while saying never talk about the past, move forward' she is full of crap.
Yeah, me too! Am a white Dem & I have NEVER spoken to any POC any different from anyone else! We are all human beings, ffs! That is the only "race", on this planet, the human race! Just like Jane Elliot always says & she is right! 😠
Exactly!!! She wouldn’t get a second of my time!!! She’s literally laughing at this man and letting him know she has no respect for blacks, it doesn’t matter about your credentials, your personality to strong and they can’t play you! You have to appear as a yes man and then you’ll qualify!!
Excellent interview. You both did a great job in open discussion. I admire Roland's outstanding recall for events ppl dates & timeframes & most importantly how & why certain actions have been motivated and/or disguised. Thank you Roland! Great work for many years. I love your channel. ... 🙏🙏
Her unwillingness to just except Roland’s point is exactly his point. White people have a hard time seeing themselves for who they really are. She did exactly what the people Roland was talking about does. Looked at it from her Narrow point of view, and refused to see any other way.
Roland, I think its odd that a "White" woman is trying to determine what is, racist idealisms vs non-racist idealisms, when she herself has never experienced what racism really feels like, when she's a "White" woman.
It was mentioned that she's Jewish. So it would be interesting if the "woke media" narrative would apply to the coverage of the Israeli-Palestinians conflict.
Attempting to use everything we started to wash out the meaning by piling a bunch of things not involved with the original meaning and drown it ' TYPICAL ' THIS HAS BEEN RECYCLED THATS WHY WE CAN NEVER GET OUR MEANING ACROSS BECAUSE ITS PILED WITH THINGS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
@adams92g. I would add to your own correct assessment: also a perfect example of how Racism/White Supremacy is maintained & refined daily. By diversion & distraction, by argument & conflict. INSTEAD of correctly defining real problems & solving them. People who always want to “help” presidents, police, cavalries & fully-fledged entities are just astounding to me in both hubris & malignant narcissism! Always so assured that when these agents & catalysts run out of targets-& they always do-the very next to BE targeted won’t be themselves!
@michaelmerrill. Currently, it’s just a racial slur. Originally, when the term was coined long ago, it pretended to street-savvy or to conscientious awareness in enhanced-learning applications. But used by persons who classify themselves “White,” it’s just another anti-Black assessment of people classified Black who don’t necessarily agree with White persons themselves on something; just as slaves or other subordinate persons would be & were actually (traditionally) required & expected to do in “conversation.”
I don't think that she has a blindspot at all, but rather trying to push a consistent curated Rightwings talking-point. The same people will say that "the Klan were started by democrats", true but will also ignore the fact that a democrat, Lyndon Baines Johnson signed the Civil Rights Bill, which in-turn created a Rightwing defection of today's Republican Party. Everytime, Roland lays-out a point, she comes back again to..."to me..." (meaning, in my Rightwing opinion...) She's not really interested in progress, but to push an Agenda, as you can see she continued on to get their talking-points.
Right and it's not Democrats who are rolling back civil rights protections, it's the Republicans doing that I know Trump did it in his administration. So, white conservatives can miss me with that "Democrats are the party of KKK" bs.
She is very much a (classical) leftist. And you may want to look further into LBJ…. Actually a more productive exercise would be to look at the voting records of left v right on race.
There is a town, I believe it was in Texas, not sure, that did the defund the police idea and hired the right people for issues that should not involve police, like mental problems, arguments. It worked amazing and saved lives, and the people who went on the calls were more helpful and the police were able to focus on real crimes. IT WAS A GREAT THING FOR THE POLICE! Why are we not bringing more attention to this. Roland is CORRECT on what Defund the police means. Republicans took the terminology and made it negative for their own agenda.
Personally, ( and I'm a black Jamaican who's lived in both NYC and Miami) I would agree with Batya that liberals tend to want to influence you to agree with their point of view while conservatives will explain the problem AS THEY PERCEIVE IT,and persuade you to agree with it; all the time,however both have very different views... I perceive conservatives - my opinion- as more forthcoming with how they feel about us and how they think our racial interaction should play out while liberals are more forceful in their interaction; they'll ( liberals) be quicker to feel comfort in saying the word " ni**a" in your company while a conservative will not ever utter the word ( in our company!).... they both have their prejudices ( and some on both sides might be traditional racists ) but most conservatives will respect your stance and approach you with mutual respect- nowadays anyway- but liberals want you to exist in a racial world based on how they -liberals- want it to be, not how black people want it to be.
This conversation was so helpful, clarifying what was bothering me and affirming what I need to change in myself first. I was reflecting on this earlier today, that it's not enough for me to listen as I have for a decade. I also need to change my automatic actions, and I'm finally in a place in my life where I have better tools to do that. Solidarity!
Within yourself, See how long that change will last... People will have you change it without you noticing it changing... People are very manipulative... Pay attention to your own actions at all times...
Roland you a truly incredible I love you so much. How ironic is it that she was literally patronizing Roland throughout the interview and not listening to him and acting like a so-called “woke” liberal. ITS NOT A WOKE THING ITS A WHITE THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think y'all are missing the point. Roland is turning it into a debate. He's defending progressivism. She's 100% right of how white politicians are doing and how they really see black people. That's why Bill Clinton was really respected by the black people because he tried to do everything he promised unlike other democrats before him with exception of Jimmy Carter. They are speaking about the same thing.
Yeah, that was crazy when she talked about can't find qualified Black people, like there aren't TONS of unqualified white people working in these spaces. When you want to look for Black talent, you go to where the Black talent is. You don't wait for them to come to you.
They want to tell us what it our words mean. This is how they spread this garage around the diner table or on the back porch and it's usually the one that sounds most intelligent
If you notice a lot of conservatives always want to add the word "woke" to whatever they do for specific reason. It's the buzzword that increase engagement with their base.
Her saying she is invited on Fox all the time says she is feeding the racist problem. Fox will never put you on if you promote liberal thought, it is a conservative media source. That is why she is on there. Conservative means pro white so she is promoting white views. She tried to use being Jewish to try to get Roland to cut her some slack because she saw he was not gonna give her a pass. Lady, you turned in your Jewish card and got a white card when you wanted to make more money, sell books and get fame. If your were really on our side you would see all your booking change and if your book didn't throw liberals under the bus you couldn't sell it..
Racism is a caste system, today playing out as class. The permanency of caste can be somewhat, contextually & impermanenty manipulated by catering to upper class interests.
She actually tried to tell him that the white conservatives and liberal relate to him in different ways and couldn't accept it when he said based on his experience they have the exact same attitudes.
She’s more a part of the problem than she knows. Why didn’t she come to black folks and ask or get understanding before writing that book. Or better yet, why not teach out of the books that we’ve already written. We need them to stop taking this easy route of less resistance and actually use their privilege to break down the system from the inside. She is going to make money on a book that is useless to us.
I like how Roland just ripped apart the flawed premise of the book. She spoke about how wippo talk down to black folk, and she talks down to Roland. He was not having any of it. He basically said “you may have a PhD, but you’re stupid.” She came unprepared, her book was flawed and unprepared, and she did the same things during this interview that she critiques the wyte liberals of doing. She should be embarrassed.
Funny because that word isn't the only thing they have appropriated from us. It's like they have no identity of their own other than what they appropriate from other cultures.
Our definition of woke was never to define something bad. It’s always been a verbal fist bump of encouragement to stay strong & enlightened in the midst of this crazy place called America.
When she came out the pocket using Yale as a reference to define being woke, I knew this wasn't going to go well for her. She should pay Roland for bringing her on the show. I appreciate that Roland is trying to help her with her blind spots. Her next book...
I don't think that she has a blindspot at all, but rather trying to push a consistent curated Rightwings talking-point. The same people will say that "the Klan were started by democrats", true but will also ignore the fact that a democrat, Lyndon Baines Johnson signed the Civil Rights Bill, which in-turn created a mass exodus of Klan/Rightwing defection, thereby creating today's Republican Party. "I didn't leave the democratic Party, the democratic Party, left me - Ronald Reagan. Everytime, Roland comes lays-out a point, then she comes back again to..."to me..." She's not really interested in progress, but to push an Agenda, as you can see she continued on to get their talking-points.
It’s kind of you to call it “blind spots😉” At first I thought it was naïveté, but she’s a troll. All Ro could do is expose it and throw up his hands. Poster child for “projection is confession.”
@@MotownMimi Blind spots is for the benefit of the doubt. Delusional is when she made the statement racism is over but agreed with Roland on all the racist life experience examples he gave. Roland was being nice with his language. I'm thinking he was doing what you said exposing her in a nice way but if she is a troll perhap, very small chance she can be turned into an ally. Better chances of her turning than Rolands audience drinking that Kool Aid.
She wrote a book by talking about stuff the way white people talk about and said she talk to working class blacks. She talk to Candy cane Owens, and the two black people on Fox news
@@theeldersaysso5600 You do know that there are MANY members of the corporate democratic party are friends with, golf with, have dinners with their good friends across the isle in the GOP. All of this while they PRETEND to be at odds in the public's eye. Do you have this same energy?
she dont understand the difference between class and race. she wants to say theres no more racism, and instead put it all on class. its classic class reductionism. also college degrees dont mean you arent working class. the difference is whether the people are the owner class. business owners and rental owners. college grads are still working for them.
@Nice Lady She did say it or she implied it big time. That was one of the things that stood out to me. I felt she was trying to say there is no more racism and that it is class now not so much race. If you don't see that's what she said "I feel sorry for you!'
Roland only sees race and does not acknowledge class. He even said “working class means white” which is B.S.! Oprah does not have the same experience as a middle class and working class black people even if she experiences racism. Roland ignores class issues that black and white people both face
A racist with a smile, calm demeanor and seemingly sooo understanding. The most vicious type of racist. She keeps on trying to conflate Roland's stance with hers. But when conservatives are mentioned, she did not know or mention. She is telling him how he should feel.
She wanted to rely on her data and you were trying to explain your personal experience working in media.. The two didn’t compute. In the movie Cool Hand Luke the statement”What we have here is a failure to communicate.” Says it all. God bless her soul..
U can't talk about liberals using the term woke in a negative way but not conservatives. That's just crazy. If your intentions is to be fair then talk about all of them not just one side.
Yeah, because it's mainly right-wingers who mainly use the term in a negative way to bash liberals, whether they know what it actually means or not. And most of them don't know what the hell it means.
Just another person speaking on the black experience in america who isn’t black and hasn’t spoken with average black americans when forming their opinion before voicing their opinion to the public period!…🙄
That's crazy what she said. They don't hire more black journalists because we're not applying for those jobs? Was she serious? You can''t drive 5 blocks without finding a black person who wants to be a journalist.
She wouldn't say that statement is "racist" either. As Roland said they make up other words that also describe racism and run with it, if the black person that they hire also goes with it, they also r a big problem.
I absolutely loved this this was informative educational and on point we need more discussions like this so that it can help people that want to understand, understand. thank you Dr Roland .
Thank You Mr. Roland Martin for all that you do.! I am because we are! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! Each 1 Teach 1!!! Nothing but Love and Respect Elder! Mr. Bradley Powell Sr. Cincinnati Ohio
This woman’s completely out of her league, she may mean well, but she’s living in another and completely different universe. Speaking of qualification, she’s unrealistic, she’s not qualified, at least at this point in her “career,” for what she’s trying to do here, she’s unrealistic. She’s too blinded by her “stats” to see where and how to also walk the streets.
She's young and inexperienced with the full scope of blackness.I give her a B for effort. Hopefully, she didn't think Roland was too harsh on her lack of perspective.
@@dejumaboutique1305 I'm white, I know these people, they write the book to denigrate liberals, black people and anyone who says the truth. You notice she kept on telling Roland "why are black kids getting shot" over and over again? Remember, to these people, "woke" means their death. Woke is, "You are telling us that we are bad because we enslaved black people, and you want to remind us that you (Black folks) built this country for free. I have family that thinks that in the Midwest, I hate them, and their disgusting.
I agree. I was so fucking pissed off when we came up with that bullshit. I knew they were going to take that word and run with it. It's been all down hill since. We gotta be smarter with our choice of words
I get what she was saying. I often wonder how the struggle for black people got high jacked and lumped in with all these other social movements. We couldn't even have the struggle to ourselves now every other group of non descendants of slaves are as oppressed as us according to them. The only ones who have had it worse here are the native Americans.
@@QueenAnitaSoul I often watch the RUclips channel called ReelBlack y'all check it out. The documentaries on there from yesteryear are dead on. One of the greatest threats that many of our folks saw coming was liberalism. Malcolm X and many others speak clearly about it. I appreciate seeing us comment and discuss something other than bs gossip. Roland Martin has always been for black intelligence, my momma God rest her soul put me on to him when I was a boy. Now as a man with a business, a 19 year marriage and 3 kids. I'm still right here. Love y'all ❤️👊🏿💯
While one might say she's an ally, her understanding of how a particular outcome is decided still persist as warped. She doesn't really want to see her book as wasted statistics. Her book is foulable and has too many perceived thought perceptions. She's gonna go back and check real data. She's not totally a loss. Roland is a great teacher and orator.
She should have talked to Roland and many other Black folk in media BEFORE she wrote the book. Statistics can always be skewed by the perspective of the person deciphering them. She should have gotten the REAL story. Isn’t that the #1 remit of journalism?
she is not an ally. she is weaponizing the oppression and lived experience of Black people specifically for partisan political reasons, namely for the benefit of republicans. She is a rabble rouser and nothing more.
Roland said it. Terminology needs to be defined in terms of what you mean by that. When I hear the words "police reform," I interpret that as wishy washy policy that will have no real positive effect, and police departments will continue using tax dollars to brutalize and kill anyone who isn't WCHMC. As white people, defining what you mean by woke is similar to defining what you mean by the term-God, Goddess, Spirit-when writing a spiritual or religious book. The word God puts off a group of people who associate it with their bad experiences with religion or the bad social and political actions perpetrated by religion over the millennia. People also ask what you mean by the term Spirit when used to describe a higher power.
I watched Mrs Ungar-Sargon in a conversational debate with BadFaith and I witnessed the same wheel pin. We need these debates but right now right now wealthy families are killing are planet, arming everyone, painting targets on us while they safely watch the fireworks in their yachts. Like they always have.
Really? I enjoyed that conversation between her and Briahna. She made valid points that social issues alienate working class people who actually agree with Briahna on economic populism
I believe she has a good heart and really cares and wants change. Her idealistic views are clouded by what she repeatedly said," she feels"like her passion and interest just need more dialogue. Great job breaking it down Roland
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So now we’re being told what we mean when we say woke? It’s basically knowing the truth and not being blind to what’s going on!
Lol EGGGZACTLY 🤣🤣
🤣😂 Exactly!
Satan chosen people believe they know everything
PREACH. CAN I COPY and paste this in the comment section?
Thank you for explaining that to those who are clearly sleep. Lol de eal talk. We are clearly different people. Let's face it, black don't crack & something about " white ain't right.
Amazing how a group of people who once were "othered" in their ancestral country, can come to America and get amnesia in order to check the white box for race.
Boom ☝🏿
It’s a shame but she does not represent all of us
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What county she from?
Satan people who he got out the cave
White liberal or white conservative...the operative word is 'white'. And there will always be a cultural disconnect and insensitivity when it comes to the Black experience
Amen
Some white liberals sre actually conservatives in disguised
Cry
Yea one commits most of the crime and the other is always working
@@147waverly9 who is always working? Because every time I turn on discovery ID or snapped all I see is white. And every time the news reports a mass shooting its a white man🙄🙄
Your amazing my brother..
You hit the nail on the head dear! 👏🏿👏👏🏾👏🏼👏🏿👍🏽👍🏻👍🏿👍🙏🏽🙏🏻🙏🏿🙏🏽
She is so misinformed but she is being taught by the right one.I love how smart Martin is it makes me proud everytime he set people straight.
Right. What got me is when she said intellectual whites have to dumb down when talking to woke black people. B**ch please.
Roland, smart man and is able to school this young lady. She's obviously talking to the right man. She seems willing to understand where she is wrong.
@@oscarmaxwell9616 Nah! She's on Rising with Brianna Joy Gray. She hasn't changed and is as far right as is "palpable" for tv. She tries to be slick by "agreeing" but always looking for the gotcha! Brianna keeps her in check though.
You took them words out of my mouth
@@gun_toting_lefty That's way too simplified & easy to make the tired assumption that she's "far right.'
Let's just say I'm very familiar with her, and assure you that she is most certainly not.
However what she is... is tired and disgusted of our own friends in journalism & media playing the propaganda game
of gaslighting, hypocrisy, self righteousness and elitism/classism.
The close mindedness going on right now is STUNNING.
The liberal minded used to QUESTION the establishment & didn't play the war game.
Now those same people are doing just the opposite.
That's what her deal is. She's repulsed by her own people's bulls--t & is calling it out.
Overall wokeness is knowing our history and not his story, Being aware of racism and identifying it, and the refusal to be blind to the facts. Not being black blind and taking advantage of basically. Standing for our civilized rights as a American. 💯
White people hate the truth
RIGHT ON! ASI ES!
There are too many people falling for the B/S White Conservative [FALSE] REDEFINING of "woke" so that it can suit their purposes/political agenda in order to deny "Ethnic minorities from achieving fairness, justice, & equality.
This is so crazy..When God is going to punish them?
Did you catch that 37:53 “THAT ARE NOT SCREWED OF THE COPS ANYMORE” She didn’t even see how she is defending a racist ideology even still she fails to want to acknowledge this racist thing exists a if she has the mind set of the common thought of by not speaking of it You don’t give it existence. And this be the problem the lighter skin seems to have a view based on there privileged success. They are used just for that to try and neutralize any info that will start to treat down that paradigm.
She agrees just to rebuttal in disagreement.. if you can’t see how the education of the former slave master is in every thing he touched through the education system you will not be able to deprogram what is necessary to see the truth and separate the lie and deception.
GREAT TALK ROLAND! Best understanding of "woke" and "white" I've ever listened to. Thank you👍😘
A beautiful❤ discussion. 🎉🎉 a beautiful definition of being WOKE.
This need to be talked about at the table in the household of the black family in the white family and all family's in the Us.
This was a very good discussion. Roland schooled this lady on race in journalism. Coodoos to her for listening and receiving the lesson.
Roland is not intelligent enough to school anyone on anything.
@@margaretnorvell9555?????
She actually showed her hand with her response to Roland’s HBCU/PWI example. She immediately said that’s a “class” issue which was dripping in the assumption that a black student going to an HBCU comes from a lower socioeconomic status than a black student going to a PWI.
She did have to stretch her effort and (and her vocabulary!) a little more with Roland than shes probably use to. I hope she appreciates the challenge and grows her knowlege. Shes on the track and great that shes noticing this stuff that can be so subtle. Hope it's an intro and begin afdressing it constructively. Honestly, theres a lot of stuff white people are just not aware that we do or think until its pointed out to us. Sounds dumb. I know. It is. But we dont know what we don't know i think we are the majority. We like to know. Then we can tell others. We have to start somewhere. Every day.
More often than not, its a painful learning process but its absolutely necessary and ive come to be ok with the grief and the sadness i go
@@christinagurchinoff1517 I took this debate as the comparison to ironing a wrinkle out of linen that as soon as yhe fabric cools down the wrinkle peeks back out. I don't think she benefitted at all. By tomorrow morning she'll be right back in error
she is totally unwoke
@@christinagurchinoff1517 time will tell. It is possible to live in a bit of a bubble and not realise the awful truth. We all do it to some extent anyway. I was impressed that Rolands point is zzvisibly affected her. Gd willicng she will encounter a moment of truth. I don gthink xhd is inherently a hater
I must say that this was good. Batya actually allowed herself to listen "some" but she hung in there. Great conversation
Poor woman had her book published, went on Roland's show, made all kinds of assertions, but couldn't see the forest for the trees. Perhaps she should have had 'this conversation' while she was still in the writing phase.. Ah, well, there's always 'revised editions' [some of them simply love revisionism].
Roland proved his point in 5 minutes! She admitted that she is misusing the term woke.
No she knows *EXACTLY* wtf she's doing - she's a plant, just playign her part to muddy the REAL systemic problem.
@@ANDY_DMV A plant by who?
Batya is a good example of a lot of white people. They take everything at surface level. Also, they think everything begins with white people. They think the only people with perspectives are white people. Everything she mentioned that she thought started with white "liberals/progressives" actually started with Black people. She also learned that it's not about the label, it's about the substance (i.e police reform vs. Defund the Police). Even though Roland dropped some gems, Batya will still continue to espouse the same rhetoric, because she's programmed and paid to do that and not to become enlightened.
@@momi1610 Agreed
I know personally black people who mis use the word woke.
Think about the irony of her position, she’s accusing white liberals of speaking for Black people, while she simultaneously speaks for Black people.
She is correct and articulated it very well.
Like Roland said, she's on Fox News by design. Her down talking progressives, democrats, "woke" speak, and saying the issues is not racism, is the reason they keep asking her back.
Roland martin exposed her. He proved she has biases and didn't study wokeness objectively.
I see her as problematic because how she positioned her title. Use another word because what she is doing is being apart of the ongoing White Supremacists problem. She says that liberals dumb down to talk to black people indicating that dumbing down is condescending to Black people because of stereotypes that we’re unintelligent. She should have focused her attention to the gas lighting that white elites and politicians do to white people no matter the white person’s class. She’s trying to align herself with caring about Black people by doing the same thing she’s accusing white liberals, who to Roland’s point who her perspective is so narrow. It’s projection.
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She’s not on Fox she goes on all of the networks and she’s an editor for Newsweek
Oh please try comparing a Don Lemon, Joy Reid to a Harris Faulkner and Lawrence Jones or Leo Terrell… it’s clear who the grifters are who are standing on the backs of the lower class
People like her annoy the hell out of me. They wanna tell us what the problem is and act like they want the black opinion on the subject matter. Then when we give them the answer they dont accept it. How is she gonna tell us how we are supposed to feel when we go for a job and out rank all the applicants and still dont get the job. I dont care if its because the employee is racist, biased, or they give the job to their nephew with no experience. All of those are unequal treatments.!!!
Then stop begging for acceptance and separate
@@Trouble316 you've confused begging with demanding for what is right.
@@Trouble316 Where did that statement come from? He/she is just stating how they feel?
Roland Martin was saying the same thing?
I think the lady was making some valid points
@@andrewmatzo8167 Why would I disagree with you ,but the initial thread made interesting points also!
This discussion is the best thing I have heard all year. I really enjoyed the insight from Roland, and Batya Ungar-Sargon listening. I especially enjoyed Roland breaking down how the media tries to control the narrative in relationship to defund the Police which reinforces, how the right and mainstream media try to gaslight what dissent law abiding people mean by defund the Police
enough blaming the media, it's not them, it's the right, the right has controlled the narrative and the media either are complicit or inept to it.
My guess is her take away might be that youre defending whitey. I hope she knows you because she would know thats not something you do. Statistically for someone like me who can barely spell the word i can see the number of hoighty toighty white people shes pissed at is a very small number. I say go for it! Tear them up! That will take about 3 hours a week then get your self down here where there arebthose¹ enough hours1 in a week
Conversations like these are exactly what America needs. I am not sure if this Young had an agenda but it seemed more like she just didn't know and has been stuck in a conservative bubble her whole life.
Time will tell if she is authentic but she seemed to be taking a lot of information in that she never considered before. She will still be conservative but I think she will see things with more open eyes now.
I just never understood how someone who’s not in your skin can tell you what it is😂😂😂😂😂
She's jew these people love patronize blacks !!!
Weirdos
Because we all live in a society together. We walk the same land together. We breathe the same air. We are brothers and sisters that act like we are so different, when in reality, we’re very much alike. Just because you’re black and I’m white, doesn’t mean I don’t know how you feel in a situation and acting like two skin colors makes us extremely different is really silly, for lack of better words. I thought black people wanted out of segregation. I know for a fact that whites don’t want segregation in this country again. So why do blacks segregate every chance they get? With comments like you just made, you prove my point. Acting like white people don’t know how it feels to be “in your skin” is mental segregation at least. Yes, I know how you feel just like you know how I feel. Disrespect is disrespect. We’ve got to stop acting like we are so different. We are AMERICANS.
Not African American, not European American, just American. That is, unless you were literally born in Africa or Europe. But either way, we are all here together forever and shouldn’t we be making the best of it? Native Indians, Whites, and Blacks should be united together and standing against the infiltration of illegal immigrants right now! We should be fighting side by side to protect our future. Not pushing each other away.
Hope you take this message with an open mind and not a racist mind because I’m trying to have open dialogue. That’s all.
Peace ✌🏼✌🏿
@@BlaineO Not sure where this is coming from but as I said you can’t tell me how to feel and I can’t tell you how to feel. So it’s settled. It’s clear from your response you live in a totally different world. I’m sorry I don’t know how it feels like to be you and wake up as a white man everyday and vice versa. We will never walk in each others shoes! You will never know how it feels to walk in the shoes of a black person in America. We can express to you, but it’s up to you to listen, take it in, educate yourself, and not negate our feelings. So it’s easy for you to say all you have said. I would love for everyone to get alone. I have no problem with that. I get alone with anyone until they cross me. But unfortunately I live in reality where people are treated differently simply by the way they look. Educate yourself. God Bless you and I pray when white people say racist things around you that you stand up for us and say all of what you said to me when no one is looking 😁✌🏾
@@BlaineOYOU COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG ,,,,HAVE YOU GROWN UP IN ANY BLACK GETTO OR EXPERIENCE RACIST RANTS BECAUSE YOUR DARK BROWN OR KNOW HOW ANY BLACK PERSON FEELS OR ANY ASIAN PERSON FEELS ITS EASY TO HAVE WHITE SKIN NOT HAVE SOMEONE GET IN YOUR FACE OR HEAR RACIAL JOKES ,,,NO ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW HOW ANYONE FEELS BECAUSE YOUR NOT IN THEIR SHOES !!!!!
Thanks!
Roland Martin you did that. She can take her book off the shelf now. Well done and thank you very much 👏🏽👏🏽
Karen: _I'm going to write a book about how 'woke White liberals' are condescending to 'the Blacks' and to do so, I as a White woman, will use a Black term and invert the meaning unironically and use it as part of the title of my book._
Totally agree. She ironically is a white Candace Owens, she goes on Fox and plays the "center liberal" while saying never talk about the past, move forward' she is full of crap.
She is not WHITE Bro! She is Middle Eastern Indian!
@@ronnierowe1312 White supremacy does not know the difference, look at Tim Scott, Dinesh D'Souza, Candace Owens, Jessie Lee Peterson.
@@ronnierowe1312
She called herself Jewish and now you're calling her Middle Eastern what?!
@@ronnierowe1312 According to the US Census, she's "white".
Maaaaaan she’s got my blood boiling because she’s part of the crowd she is so called against 😡
Yeah, me too! Am a white Dem & I have NEVER spoken to any POC any different from anyone else! We are all human beings, ffs! That is the only "race", on this planet, the human race! Just like Jane Elliot always says & she is right! 😠
OH FO SHO! "LEPOARD" DON'T CHANGE SPOTS..
I DON'T TRUST ANYTHANG SHE SAYIN..PERIIDT! IMO!
GIRLLL BYEEEEE!🤡
She thinks we’re dumb. Sadly white ppl think she’s progressive. She’s a racist
Exactly!!! She wouldn’t get a second of my time!!! She’s literally laughing at this man and letting him know she has no respect for blacks, it doesn’t matter about your credentials, your personality to strong and they can’t play you! You have to appear as a yes man and then you’ll qualify!!
Exactly. She does not listen. She is displaying the exact behaviors that she supposedly is against.
Excellent interview. You both did a great job in open discussion. I admire Roland's outstanding recall for events ppl dates & timeframes & most importantly how & why certain actions have been motivated and/or disguised. Thank you Roland! Great work for many years. I love your channel. ... 🙏🙏
Roland, THANK YOU for your reporting. I learn so much from you. I appreciate this interview. I think these discussions are so important.
Her unwillingness to just except Roland’s point is exactly his point. White people have a hard time seeing themselves for who they really are. She did exactly what the people Roland was talking about does. Looked at it from her Narrow point of view, and refused to see any other way.
She's not white. She's Jewish.
They lack self awareness because they believe they’re superior. A Black person cant teach her nothing
Roland,
I think its odd that a "White" woman is trying to determine what is, racist idealisms vs non-racist idealisms, when she herself has never experienced what racism really feels like, when she's a "White" woman.
It was mentioned that she's Jewish. So it would be interesting if the "woke media" narrative would apply to the coverage of the Israeli-Palestinians conflict.
@Nice Lady "Baiting" you? That is blatant falsehood. I have done no such thing. You sound hysterical.
Great Convo Roland. It ain't wokeness it's whiteness ❤️
Attempting to use everything we started to wash out the meaning by piling a bunch of things not involved with the original meaning and drown it ' TYPICAL ' THIS HAS BEEN RECYCLED THATS WHY WE CAN NEVER GET OUR MEANING ACROSS BECAUSE ITS PILED WITH THINGS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
This is a great dialogue. She's listening.
Excellent conversation I hope she learned something. I understood what Roland was trying to explain to her. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
I don't think she really gets it.
@@danitadavis3 me either.
she's still not listening and is therefore the very thing that she's subscribes is the problem with "Wokeness"...
WHAT IS WOKE?
@adams92g. I would add to your own correct assessment: also a perfect example of how Racism/White Supremacy is maintained & refined daily. By diversion & distraction, by argument & conflict. INSTEAD of correctly defining real problems & solving them.
People who always want to “help” presidents, police, cavalries & fully-fledged entities are just astounding to me in both hubris & malignant narcissism! Always so assured that when these agents & catalysts run out of targets-& they always do-the very next to BE targeted won’t be themselves!
@michaelmerrill. Currently, it’s just a racial slur. Originally, when the term was coined long ago, it pretended to street-savvy or to conscientious awareness in enhanced-learning applications.
But used by persons who classify themselves “White,” it’s just another anti-Black assessment of people classified Black who don’t necessarily agree with White persons themselves on something; just as slaves or other subordinate persons would be & were actually (traditionally) required & expected to do in “conversation.”
Your misusing the term woke, it has been hijacked by the white right for a bad purpose.
I don't think that she has a blindspot at all, but rather trying to push a consistent curated Rightwings talking-point.
The same people will say that "the Klan were started by democrats", true but will also ignore the fact that a democrat, Lyndon Baines Johnson signed the Civil Rights Bill, which in-turn created a Rightwing defection of today's Republican Party.
Everytime, Roland lays-out a point, she comes back again to..."to me..." (meaning, in my Rightwing opinion...)
She's not really interested in progress, but to push an Agenda, as you can see she continued on to get their talking-points.
Right and it's not Democrats who are rolling back civil rights protections, it's the Republicans doing that I know Trump did it in his administration. So, white conservatives can miss me with that "Democrats are the party of KKK" bs.
She is very much a (classical) leftist.
And you may want to look further into LBJ….
Actually a more productive exercise would be to look at the voting records of left v right on race.
Exactly. Didn't matter which political party they associate with, their ideology was always white supremacy and empowerment over people of color.
@@ameliam7898 or stfu and recognize both parties support white supremacy
@@ameliam7898 Wrong
There is a town, I believe it was in Texas, not sure, that did the defund the police idea and hired the right people for issues that should not involve police, like mental problems, arguments. It worked amazing and saved lives, and the people who went on the calls were more helpful and the police were able to focus on real crimes. IT WAS A GREAT THING FOR THE POLICE! Why are we not bringing more attention to this. Roland is CORRECT on what Defund the police means. Republicans took the terminology and made it negative for their own agenda.
I'm white and I cant figure out why she's confused about police funding. I didn't write a book or research a book.
She watch a lot of Fox News and she was defending them hard. Like Roland said it's whiteness and not wokeness.
Personally, ( and I'm a black Jamaican who's lived in both NYC and Miami) I would agree with Batya that liberals tend to want to influence you to agree with their point of view while conservatives will explain the problem AS THEY PERCEIVE IT,and persuade you to agree with it; all the time,however both have very different views... I perceive conservatives - my opinion- as more forthcoming with how they feel about us and how they think our racial interaction should play out while liberals are more forceful in their interaction; they'll ( liberals) be quicker to feel comfort in saying the word " ni**a" in your company while a conservative will not ever utter the word ( in our company!).... they both have their prejudices ( and some on both sides might be traditional racists ) but most conservatives will respect your stance and approach you with mutual respect- nowadays anyway- but liberals want you to exist in a racial world based on how they -liberals- want it to be, not how black people want it to be.
@@mozmolloy1728 And I find it to be the other way round.
This conversation was so helpful, clarifying what was bothering me and affirming what I need to change in myself first. I was reflecting on this earlier today, that it's not enough for me to listen as I have for a decade. I also need to change my automatic actions, and I'm finally in a place in my life where I have better tools to do that. Solidarity!
Within yourself, See how long that change will last... People will have you change it without you noticing it changing... People are very manipulative... Pay attention to your own actions at all times...
@tommy 2tone what makes you think your personal experience is relevant to this subject?
Roland you a truly incredible I love you so much.
How ironic is it that she was literally patronizing Roland throughout the interview and not listening to him and acting like a so-called “woke” liberal. ITS NOT A WOKE THING ITS A WHITE THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So proud of Roland for taking her to school!
I think y'all are missing the point. Roland is turning it into a debate. He's defending progressivism. She's 100% right of how white politicians are doing and how they really see black people. That's why Bill Clinton was really respected by the black people because he tried to do everything he promised unlike other democrats before him with exception of Jimmy Carter. They are speaking about the same thing.
They should have just smashed it out, lol
But she can't get it, because she's a part of it, ( insiders view not the opposite)!
@@zod4365, ?
Roland Martin is a Democrat Party operative. He tapped danced for Hilary Clinton and he does Joe Biden's bidding. He's a clown.
So true the excuses. “Can’t find any qualified”. And when presented with multiple qualified, some other excuse emerges. It is still about whiteness!
Yeah, that was crazy when she talked about can't find qualified Black people, like there aren't TONS of unqualified white people working in these spaces. When you want to look for Black talent, you go to where the Black talent is. You don't wait for them to come to you.
It is not about black or white but of those who have and those who don't have be it money or education. Everything else is BS.
She is the embodiment of what she wants to fight... pot calling thr kettle black
She wrote a book about wokeness without knowing the definition of the word. That is peak whiteness.
They want to tell us what it our words mean. This is how they spread this garage around the diner table or on the back porch and it's usually the one that sounds most intelligent
If you notice a lot of conservatives always want to add the word "woke" to whatever they do for specific reason. It's the buzzword that increase engagement with their base.
Her saying she is invited on Fox all the time says she is feeding the racist problem. Fox will never put you on if you promote liberal thought, it is a conservative media source. That is why she is on there. Conservative means pro white so she is promoting white views. She tried to use being Jewish to try to get Roland to cut her some slack because she saw he was not gonna give her a pass. Lady, you turned in your Jewish card and got a white card when you wanted to make more money, sell books and get fame. If your were really on our side you would see all your booking change and if your book didn't throw liberals under the bus you couldn't sell it..
@@vinnyslease love when white people tells what we think and definition of our words
@@theeldersaysso5600
Hahaha
Police Now Look Like They Are Going To War !!!! Why ?
Racism is a caste system, today playing out as class. The permanency of caste can be somewhat, contextually & impermanenty manipulated by catering to upper class interests.
Wow she's doing exactly what she's talking about. She is trying to tell him how white conservatives and white liberals make him feel.
@Nice Lady that is your opinion/ know one has to agree. Foh
@@gwendolynwilliams1730 but she never said to Roland Martin "how he feels" ...chill boo
She also talked to him like he is “dumb” at points. The very thing she said progressives do.
She actually tried to tell him that the white conservatives and liberal relate to him in different ways and couldn't accept it when he said based on his experience they have the exact same attitudes.
@@anonymous111delta4 Yes she did, she just did it using different words, so YOU chill, boo.
She’s more a part of the problem than she knows. Why didn’t she come to black folks and ask or get understanding before writing that book. Or better yet, why not teach out of the books that we’ve already written. We need them to stop taking this easy route of less resistance and actually use their privilege to break down the system from the inside. She is going to make money on a book that is useless to us.
I like how Roland just ripped apart the flawed premise of the book. She spoke about how wippo talk down to black folk, and she talks down to Roland. He was not having any of it. He basically said “you may have a PhD, but you’re stupid.” She came unprepared, her book was flawed and unprepared, and she did the same things during this interview that she critiques the wyte liberals of doing.
She should be embarrassed.
She would probably say she did ask blk folk. She asked the few right wing black folks she could find
@@swgame2511 She never heard (nor would understand) the phrase, " all skinfolk ain't ...". Ha ha
This was a nice clean conversation. I appreciate you both.
Funny because that word isn't the only thing they have appropriated from us. It's like they have no identity of their own other than what they appropriate from other cultures.
Martin you are teaching as mentor to one who is in need of directives - so commendable!
It's a lack of sympathy and empathy.
Put plainly… narcissism
A saying...How would you know where I'm coming from? if you have not been where I've been.
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Thank you Roland…for highlighting the Nonsense. Do not let her define words, labels, definitions, symbols and narratives.
Our definition of woke was never to define something bad. It’s always been a verbal fist bump of encouragement to stay strong & enlightened in the midst of this crazy place called America.
Roland is correct I applied for TV stations and they would find excuses to not hire me in the interviews.
Excellent communication I love to speak and hear 👂what people think. The you for coming on to uncle Roland black network.
🍿...she isn't dumb either. She's purposely being obtuse to push contrarian conervatism. She knows exactly what she's doing.
Exactly. She's exactly what fox needs and uses to push their propaganda.
Its actually a good book. His repulsive ego is too much.
When she came out the pocket using Yale as a reference to define being woke, I knew this wasn't going to go well for her. She should pay Roland for bringing her on the show. I appreciate that Roland is trying to help her with her blind spots. Her next book...
I don't think that she has a blindspot at all, but rather trying to push a consistent curated Rightwings talking-point.
The same people will say that "the Klan were started by democrats", true but will also ignore the fact that a democrat, Lyndon Baines Johnson signed the Civil Rights Bill, which in-turn created a mass exodus of Klan/Rightwing defection, thereby creating today's Republican Party.
"I didn't leave the democratic Party, the democratic Party, left me - Ronald Reagan.
Everytime, Roland comes lays-out a point, then she comes back again to..."to me..."
She's not really interested in progress, but to push an Agenda, as you can see she continued on to get their talking-points.
It’s kind of you to call it “blind spots😉” At first I thought it was naïveté, but she’s a troll. All Ro could do is expose it and throw up his hands. Poster child for “projection is confession.”
@@MotownMimi Blind spots is for the benefit of the doubt. Delusional is when she made the statement racism is over but agreed with Roland on all the racist life experience examples he gave. Roland was being nice with his language. I'm thinking he was doing what you said exposing her in a nice way but if she is a troll perhap, very small chance she can be turned into an ally. Better chances of her turning than Rolands audience drinking that Kool Aid.
She wrote a book by talking about stuff the way white people talk about and said she talk to working class blacks. She talk to Candy cane Owens, and the two black people on Fox news
@@theeldersaysso5600 You do know that there are MANY members of the corporate democratic party are friends with, golf with, have dinners with their good friends across the isle in the GOP. All of this while they PRETEND to be at odds in the public's eye. Do you have this same energy?
Jezzz roland even when they agree qith you you still find a way to desagree
He is very emotional
Very difficult to deal with and have a discussion
Thank God for Roland Martin this man should have reached 10 million subscribers
They cannot tell us our story and experiences! That's the problem!
Roland so true. . . good show
she dont understand the difference between class and race. she wants to say theres no more racism, and instead put it all on class. its classic class reductionism.
also college degrees dont mean you arent working class. the difference is whether the people are the owner class. business owners and rental owners. college grads are still working for them.
@Nice Lady oh she said it. you re the one who for some reason dont want to hear it.
@Nice Lady She did say it or she implied it big time. That was one of the things that stood out to me. I felt she was trying to say there is no more racism and that it is class now not so much race. If you don't see that's what she said "I feel sorry for you!'
Roland only sees race and does not acknowledge class. He even said “working class means white” which is B.S.! Oprah does not have the same experience as a middle class and working class black people even if she experiences racism. Roland ignores class issues that black and white people both face
A racist with a smile, calm demeanor and seemingly sooo understanding. The most vicious type of racist. She keeps on trying to conflate Roland's stance with hers. But when conservatives are mentioned, she did not know or mention. She is telling him how he should feel.
Roland gave great points also! Especially about the amount of journalists that are available.
She wanted to rely on her data and you were trying to explain your personal experience working in media.. The two didn’t compute. In the movie Cool Hand Luke the statement”What we have here is a failure to communicate.” Says it all. God bless her soul..
Well at least she's trying
For real----she's relying way too much on her data, without balancing it out with anyone's actual life experience. That's her main problem there.
My question is does the life experience of Roland outweigh data? He told her she was wrong on things that were statistically provable.
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U can't talk about liberals using the term woke in a negative way but not conservatives. That's just crazy. If your intentions is to be fair then talk about all of them not just one side.
Yeah, because it's mainly right-wingers who mainly use the term in a negative way to bash liberals, whether they know what it actually means or not. And most of them don't know what the hell it means.
Roland is Actually educating her!!! Kudos
Nice conversation . The lady did her homework Roland . This is the second smart white person you had on your show. Thank you.
Nothing to do with being woke
Just another person speaking on the black experience in america who isn’t black and hasn’t spoken with average black americans when forming their opinion before voicing their opinion to the public period!…🙄
*SHE DOESN’T KNOW THE DEFINITION🤔*
That's crazy what she said. They don't hire more black journalists because we're not applying for those jobs? Was she serious? You can''t drive 5 blocks without finding a black person who wants to be a journalist.
She wouldn't say that statement is "racist" either. As Roland said they make up other words that also describe racism and run with it, if the black person that they hire also goes with it, they also r a big problem.
There are fabulous news orators on social media I rarely tune in to channels 7,5,4 or 2.
She acts like there are no qualified Black journalists… there are many!
@@yolondatheodore7694 She speaks without
thinking.
She's comparing who's racist technique is better
I absolutely loved this this was informative educational and on point we need more discussions like this so that it can help people that want to understand, understand. thank you Dr Roland .
Thank You Mr. Roland Martin for all that you do.! I am because we are! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! Each 1 Teach 1!!! Nothing but Love and Respect Elder! Mr. Bradley Powell Sr. Cincinnati Ohio
This woman’s completely out of her league, she may mean well, but she’s living in another and completely different universe. Speaking of qualification, she’s unrealistic, she’s not qualified, at least at this point in her “career,” for what she’s trying to do here, she’s unrealistic. She’s too blinded by her “stats” to see where and how to also walk the streets.
Martin, I am so happy you tell it as it is: "Fox News only like some Black people". You gave her religion. You dealt with the subject brilliantly.
Do you think CNN or msnbc or different on that front? They all like people who agree with them
If Roland wanted to be a “mainstream journalist” - he’d wear a shirt, and talk about something other than Victim Mentality.
Excellent interview and guest.
Love the way you bring the truth, continue to educate the people with God's blessings.
This chick is patronizing herself🤣 She doesn’t get it. Growing up in a predominantly white town they do categorize black as acceptable or not.
Damn Prof.Roland is Brilliant,extremely DEEP!
She’s making some valid points , however, her insistence on blaming liberals and not the real problem which is the system itself as the problem.
Facts!
She'll never get it, the TRUE point 😢
She's young and inexperienced with the full scope of blackness.I give her a B for effort. Hopefully, she didn't think Roland was too harsh on her lack of perspective.
F+fursure
This is actually a "conservative undercover"
Yup, undercover Op - just like the priviledge Florida Cubans masquering as latinos but bleed for the GOP
Facts tho
She's not even undercover, as you can hear her Rightwings talking-points, over & over.
@@dejumaboutique1305 I'm white, I know these people, they write the book to denigrate liberals, black people and anyone who says the truth. You notice she kept on telling Roland "why are black kids getting shot" over and over again? Remember, to these people, "woke" means their death. Woke is, "You are telling us that we are bad because we enslaved black people, and you want to remind us that you (Black folks) built this country for free. I have family that thinks that in the Midwest, I hate them, and their disgusting.
Yep. Nothing she said makes sense. How can it be "wokeness" and a class issue if they're not hiring black people? She's all over the place.
"Defund" was a poor choice of words. Conservatives are very good at redefining words to then use as political weapons.
I agree. I was so fucking pissed off when we came up with that bullshit. I knew they were going to take that word and run with it. It's been all down hill since. We gotta be smarter with our choice of words
I do know white activists are ardently pro abolish the police
I get what she was saying. I often wonder how the struggle for black people got high jacked and lumped in with all these other social movements. We couldn't even have the struggle to ourselves now every other group of non descendants of slaves are as oppressed as us according to them. The only ones who have had it worse here are the native Americans.
And the darkest versions of Indians aren't getting a check from the government
And a lot of black people are Native Americans so it's like double jeopardy
@@QueenAnitaSoul I often watch the RUclips channel called ReelBlack y'all check it out. The documentaries on there from yesteryear are dead on. One of the greatest threats that many of our folks saw coming was liberalism. Malcolm X and many others speak clearly about it. I appreciate seeing us comment and discuss something other than bs gossip. Roland Martin has always been for black intelligence, my momma God rest her soul put me on to him when I was a boy. Now as a man with a business, a 19 year marriage and 3 kids. I'm still right here. Love y'all ❤️👊🏿💯
Very healthy conversation
Please teach Roland!!!
Look at her stance Roland is running circles around this lady. His experience alone is just undeniable
Did she just have a discussion with a black man arguing what Is and isn't racist in HIS experience
NOT only that - she also is NOT old enough to HAVE SEEN or EXPERIENCED ENOUGH
But remember, she's the enlightened white liberal. Its the other ones who are condescending to black people 😂
While one might say she's an ally, her understanding of how a particular outcome is decided still persist as warped. She doesn't really want to see her book as wasted statistics. Her book is foulable and has too many perceived thought perceptions. She's gonna go back and check real data. She's not totally a loss. Roland is a great teacher and orator.
She should have talked to Roland and many other Black folk in media BEFORE she wrote the book. Statistics can always be skewed by the perspective of the person deciphering them. She should have gotten the REAL story. Isn’t that the #1 remit of journalism?
she is not an ally. she is weaponizing the oppression and lived experience of Black people specifically for partisan political reasons, namely for the benefit of republicans. She is a rabble rouser and nothing more.
Nope! She's now on The Hill's Rising Show opposite Brianna Joy Gray giving the Right Wing perspective. Hardly an ally.
Roland, you are a national treasure. Thanks for educating that narrow minded young now it all!
Set the record straight Roland 🔥
Roland said it. Terminology needs to be defined in terms of what you mean by that. When I hear the words "police reform," I interpret that as wishy washy policy that will have no real positive effect, and police departments will continue using tax dollars to brutalize and kill anyone who isn't WCHMC. As white people, defining what you mean by woke is similar to defining what you mean by the term-God, Goddess, Spirit-when writing a spiritual or religious book. The word God puts off a group of people who associate it with their bad experiences with religion or the bad social and political actions perpetrated by religion over the millennia. People also ask what you mean by the term Spirit when used to describe a higher power.
She seems almost clueless in the conversation. WOW !!!! She wrote a book on wokeness.
I watched Mrs Ungar-Sargon in a conversational debate with BadFaith and I witnessed the same wheel pin. We need these debates but right now right now wealthy families are killing are planet, arming everyone, painting targets on us while they safely watch the fireworks in their yachts. Like they always have.
If they only knew..👍👍👍👍👍
Yep…that real talk for sure…same at it ever was..🤨
Really? I enjoyed that conversation between her and Briahna. She made valid points that social issues alienate working class people who actually agree with Briahna on economic populism
let the church say "Amen"
Never mind, you are 100% correct
I believe she has a good heart and really cares and wants change. Her idealistic views are clouded by what she repeatedly said," she feels"like her passion and interest just need more dialogue. Great job breaking it down Roland
The guy is very emotional 😂
He need to grow up and have some thick skin
She does make some good points