When are Horned Helmets REALLY From? (not the Vikings)

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  • Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
  • You know those horned helmets? Yes you do! The bronze ones! They were excavated in the 1940s and we knew they weren't Viking. Yes, those ones! The Veksø (or Vikso) ones. Well anyway, the fact Vikings didn't wear them isn't news, it's clickbait to trick you. You know, media stuff. Anyway, we knew that ages ago. But there is cool archaeology stuff about them that is news! Yay!
    Join me in having a little dig into why these bronze horned helmets are in the news and what important work has really been done on them!
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  • @vanefreja86
    @vanefreja86 2 года назад +101

    Dane here - lived in Wales for 14 months some years ago in Colwyn Bay, while working at Bodnant. I often walked Little Orme. Love watching your videos because of the historical content but also for a slight Welsh fix...😍🤗😅

    • @madsrasmussen5536
      @madsrasmussen5536 2 года назад +2

      Også en dansker her! 🇩🇰😃

    • @nstlase5505
      @nstlase5505 2 года назад +1

      Også dansker her 😁

    • @rookie727
      @rookie727 2 года назад

      89.96 ⁹⁹

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      @rookie727 2 года назад

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    • @rookie727
      @rookie727 2 года назад

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  • @einsamerwolf5548
    @einsamerwolf5548 2 года назад +45

    2:33 Don't worry, our pronunciation of "Prähistorische Zeitschrift" was absolutely spot on. That said "Deutsche" is wrong. In this context it should be "Deutsch" xD
    Anyway love your videos. Keep up the good work.

  • @CrimsonVipera
    @CrimsonVipera 2 года назад +25

    The thing my stupid brain always fixates on whenever bronze age is discussed is the thought that I really want to hear what a battle using bronze swords sounds like. Bronze is such a unique alloy. In every way, down to the sound of it. And I can't get the idea out of my head that it would somehow sound less like hitting a ladle on a pot and more like discordant bells.

    • @onerva0001
      @onerva0001 2 года назад +4

      Well now you mentioned it, I needs to see - and hear - a battle with bronze swords!

    • @eazy8579
      @eazy8579 2 года назад +2

      Sounding like satan’s bell choir probably

  • @snazzypazzy
    @snazzypazzy 2 года назад +33

    I loved the goats showing up - showing off their horns. Maybe the helmets were inspired by goats, who knows.
    And I've always loved the bronze age figurines, like the one at 4:57. They are almost modernist, abstract but still very clear, strong lines. Would love to get a nice reproduction one day.
    Great video once again!

  • @arnevlerick064
    @arnevlerick064 2 года назад +39

    As far as I'm aware there was/is no to little copper and/or tin in Scandinavia, so the materials for the helmets (or the artifacts themselves) would have had to come from either eastern Europe (Carpatians etc.) or western Europe (Wales, Bretagne or Spain). It is more impressive to me that there could develop these impressive networks whereby these (cumbersome) materials would travel for very long distances. Says something about the complexity and sofistication of these societies much more than the shape of their headdress, in my humble opinion.

    • @ThePixiixiq
      @ThePixiixiq 2 года назад +1

      Absolutely! This notion that only we, present day people, have international relations is strange. If you haven't seen it already there's a nice documentary about the Egtved girl here on YT. An amazing burial find from Denmark.

    • @Devin_Stromgren
      @Devin_Stromgren 2 года назад +4

      You're correct that they were importing the bronze. Scandinavia instead had amber mines, and exported amber from Scandinavia is found all over the Mediterranean in bronze age sites.

  • @keephurn1159
    @keephurn1159 2 года назад +7

    Thanks for going to Segontium again and also for showing the fort and copper mines without shaky cam. Also, I'm amused at the idea of the Trundholm sun chariot. Mostly because it hit me as "Is the sun sleeping in again, comfy behind the fluffy quilt of clouds? It should be keeping us WARM! Time to bring out the sun chariot and remind the sun how to roll around the sky. 'You have one job, sun, this is how you do it!' "

  • @GreenLarsen
    @GreenLarsen 2 года назад +7

    3 things:
    1) Being danish, this is the first time I hear anyone related these horned helmets to the viking helmet, why.. look at 2)
    2) We (right now) are closer to the viking age, in time, then the helmets talked about here. I mean.. honestly :D
    3) Jimmy, when you see a rescue helicopter, the first thing to think is not ment to be "I hope it dont ruin my sound", but "I hope noone is hurt" :D

  • @msoneill358
    @msoneill358 2 года назад +87

    I watched an episode of time team last night. They found a "Anglo Saxon" sight. They couldn't decide whether something they found was a henge or a burrow or perhaps a round house. They also found a lady buried with a sword and shield. They were shocked a lady could have such a thing... yep they let them do that. Mainly because their men were gone for long periods of time and they needed to be able to defend themselves. I was annoyed at their surprise. Like all women did in those days was pop out babies and sew. That was part of it, but they also had other important things to do. I feel your frustration with this archeology stuff.

    • @TheWelshViking
      @TheWelshViking  2 года назад +62

      Time Team has an interesting grasp of archaeology at times...

    • @practicallymedieval2027
      @practicallymedieval2027 2 года назад +26

      @@markfergerson2145 I know that there was some issues between the lead archeologist and show producers about having to dumb down the archeology.

    • @paulherman5822
      @paulherman5822 2 года назад +4

      Tony from Time Team has went on to set back archaeology centuries, IMO...

    • @gohawks3571
      @gohawks3571 2 года назад +27

      I have long found it annoying that we can look not even long back in history, and we're so amazed that people made it thru the day. Like how did we even make it here then, if everyone was overwhelmed at the technology of paper, or a pan or something? I fell for it as a kid, then as I got older, it made no sense. I think we're pacifying our loss of skill by being amazed our ancestors lived without Instagram or whatever....
      Ok, I'm done😂 Thanks for listening👍

    • @KenZchameleon
      @KenZchameleon 2 года назад +10

      I also just started watching Time Team. Something to keep in mind: it ran from January 1994 to Feb 2014. It wasn't the most technical and, if you watch the earliest eps vs the latest, their approaches changed and they used better practices.
      I didn't interpret the shock/surprise the same way, but sexism was definitely apparent in many of the episodes--experts talking over or disregarding the actual archaeologists who happened to be women.
      But I'm still watching!

  • @TocsTheWanderer
    @TocsTheWanderer 2 года назад +11

    This is kinda like that recent thing where they pinpointed when a tree was cut down at the "vinland" site in Canada. So many articles saying stuff as if it's new information that the Norse were there in the early 11th century. We already knew they were there, the important thing is that a new method of dating was used to give a more precise timeframe.

  • @C.G.Hassack
    @C.G.Hassack 2 года назад +25

    My guess, from what I can see in the picture, is that they would be turrets. Reins of harness /chariot horses are passed through turrets attached at various points on the harness, to prevent the rein from dragging on the ground, tangling up, and other happenings a driver would prefer not to have happen. Horse collars are a much latter Chinese invention, as is breaching, I think.

    • @juadonna
      @juadonna 2 года назад +3

      Came here to say this! Would be interesting to know the scale of the horse artifact shown . . .

    • @horseenthusiast1250
      @horseenthusiast1250 2 года назад +1

      That was my guess, too. I don't know much about ancient forms of tack (I haven't done any archaeology or seriously studied this stuff or anything, I just know about modern tack, a bit about 19th century tack and driving/agricultural equipment, and I'm beginning to read a lot more about archaeology regarding Proto-Indo-Europeans, which is leading to some interesting rabbit holes regarding horsey things). Without knowing the size, I figured it could be a terret or maybe a decorative ring somewhere on the bridle? You sound very right in saying the padded collar was a later Chinese invention, and I'm fairly certain it was introduced later than its invention into Europe around the 12th century C.E., so if it does have to do with the tack at the shoulder hitching a horse to the thing they're pulling, I'll bet it's probably a decorative ring holding straps together. But in my opinion, the most likely guess is yours, that they're terrets. Especially since from what I've seen, they can be very well-ornamented! It seems to me like a good place to put a couple decorative little guys.

    • @C.G.Hassack
      @C.G.Hassack 2 года назад

      @@horseenthusiast1250 Turrets can be highly decorated , why cant we get that stuff now? 🙂As a horse person you'll find the Celtic chariot stuff interesting, Things they could do in those little units without collars or bretching is amazing! It's all so interesting.

  • @ca_cassidy3379
    @ca_cassidy3379 2 года назад +3

    Horse type person here! If its referring to a 'collar' then its probably a general headcollar, which in modern horse terms is what you lead a horse around with, but not what you ride them with. With it being that ornate I'd imagine it was something they would want to ride around with, so could have been for a bridle. It's quite a narrow curve, so looks more like part of a nose band than for the top of the head (poll), but if they have smaller thinner horses it could have been ornamental at the poll, which would have looked sick.

  • @euansmith3699
    @euansmith3699 2 года назад +11

    Jimmy in the sun! It is the first sign of Spring!
    Edwardian Antiquarian Jimmy is my new favourite character; straight out of MR James.
    Thanks for another fun and informative video. All the best with getting established in your new full time job.

  • @chrisball3778
    @chrisball3778 2 года назад +8

    There's a different style of Bronze Age horned helmet that was fished out of the River Thames in the British Museum- known as the 'Waterloo Helmet.' Some medieval knights' helmets were decorated with horns, especially for tournaments. Going back further there are the Starr Carr antlered headdresses from the Mesolithic. A lot of people in different parts of the world and different time periods seem to have thought having horns would make you look pretty badass. They're not wrong.

    • @lenabreijer1311
      @lenabreijer1311 2 года назад +2

      I was going to mention Starr Carr. Thousands of years before but it seems to be a pretty popular thing to do. Native Americans also made horned headdresses.

  • @campbellsoup93
    @campbellsoup93 2 года назад +3

    That's winter in Wales? But everything's still green and sunny.

  • @Brewtifull
    @Brewtifull 2 года назад +1

    That is a dashing cardigan+jumper combo

  • @pennobrien6735
    @pennobrien6735 7 месяцев назад

    Nordic Bronze Age (and especially clothing and textiles) is my period of special interest for study and reenactment. This video was a delight and made me very happy to watch. I’ve been enjoying hopping through videos while I sew and having a great time and learning more about Vikings and later medieval history :).

  • @angusguitarhero
    @angusguitarhero 2 года назад +5

    As a german I can tell you that your pronunciation is quite good actually. Especially giving that Prähistorische Zeitschrift is a very hard word to pronounce for an english speaker. But I have a small correction for your little commentary: it's "Deutsch" without the "e" in that context. If you they "deutsche" you need to ad a word on what it refers to afterwards, for example "deutsche Sprache" (german language).

  • @Treia24
    @Treia24 9 месяцев назад

    Omg, the horned figures and helmets are weirdly cute! I love them!! They look like if you showed Star Trek to a Minoan child and then asked them to draw some Andorians! Absolutely precious.

  • @wendygore2709
    @wendygore2709 2 года назад +1

    Diolch, for this video James. I hate it when shows & movies depict Vikings w/horned helmets😵‍💫 Drives me mad😫 Much love❤️ from a Cymraeg (Gilbert "the Red" de Clare, descendant) living in the US🇺🇲

  • @arwenwestrop5404
    @arwenwestrop5404 2 года назад +1

    Yes, North Wales is strange but oh so beautiful! I used to live on Anglesey and if it wasn't so cold up there I'd move back there...

  • @honeyfoxnorth514
    @honeyfoxnorth514 2 года назад +2

    I always come here to feel safe after a day at work. You are amazing my dude.

    • @TheWelshViking
      @TheWelshViking  2 года назад +1

      May you feel safe and be well. Sorry work is rough for you rught now

    • @honeyfoxnorth514
      @honeyfoxnorth514 2 года назад

      @@TheWelshViking it’s all good my man. Keep doing what you are doing. And lots of good health and inspiration to you :*

  • @lynn858
    @lynn858 2 года назад +3

    Me: OMG wanna go to North Wales to see the goats!
    Also me: There are plenty of good reasons to visit North Wales, but in terms of affordability and travel restrictions, maybe a petting zoo, or the place that spins goat fibre for knitting, would be a better option?
    But but but…

  • @CaramelBarr
    @CaramelBarr 2 года назад +1

    I can't shake the fact that they look like moth heads, especially when they have the feather plumes in the ends, and I am SO CURIOUS as to if there's any reason behind them being in pairs in a number of those examples, and now I am late for work.

  • @Lunareon
    @Lunareon 2 года назад +2

    Cool archaeology stuff always makes me happy. The ancient past, for the most part, is a mystery and will remain so, so even the smallest new discoveries feel exciting and add to the mystery!

  • @Steph_here
    @Steph_here 2 года назад +1

    A wild outside Jimmy! The rarest creature.

  • @laulutar
    @laulutar 2 года назад

    It blows my mind that we're now able to date things this is to such a narrow time frame, so this is all very, very cool for me 😁

  • @chrispe82
    @chrispe82 2 года назад +2

    Great video! It’s awesome that they can more accurately date artefacts ❤️.
    With the horse collar/accessory,if you post a full picture of it we would be able to see better if they part of tack for a wagon or riding tack.
    Your country is beautiful & full of character! 😁

  • @tiffanytomasino335
    @tiffanytomasino335 2 года назад +1

    Is good to see you! I have had a productive few days, and am between classes and this was an enjoyable way to take a moment. Hope everything is well for you and yours, and thank you for sharing

  • @mishapurser4439
    @mishapurser4439 2 года назад +1

    I grew up visiting North Wales, especially Llandudno and walking the Great Orme. Wales is like a second home to me, I really miss it.

  • @davefinster8697
    @davefinster8697 2 года назад

    I'm fascinated by the little round...thingys...on the tips of the horns. Thinking in terms of ceremonial helmets still in use today, like the Life Guards or the French Garde Republicaine, or the Chilean Military Academy (If you want an infantry example) I picture a pair of magnificent horsetail plumes streaming from the horns. That thought probably doesn't add a thing to the sum of human knowledge, but it's the picture that's now stuck in my head.

  • @januszbogumil
    @januszbogumil 2 месяца назад

    I suspect there may be some cultural continuity with the bird helms seen on the Torslunda plate and Sutton Hoo helm from the Vendel period. While I was looking at the Viksø helms again, I noticed there was a beak on the front of the helms that may evoke a bird. In addition to the fact that there may have been feathers attached to the helm in ancient times. The warriors wearing bird helms also appear as twins, and the bronze age also had a twin warrior motif, seen in the Viksø helms as well as the Grevensvænge figurines, though one was lost.

  • @jakeaurod
    @jakeaurod 2 года назад +1

    I've heard of the so-called "Horse Twins" that some have suggested might be part of a Proto-Indo-European religion. But, Mesopotamian representations of Gemini-twins have horned helmets, from what I read.
    Two years ago, I was air-lifted to a trauma center after cardiac arrest. The sound of a rescue helicopter has a special meaning to me now... even though I was unconscious for the ride and didn't actually hear it.

  • @piscis210
    @piscis210 2 года назад +9

    Horned helmets are just really cool, I was kinda bummed out when I found out Vikings didn't use em

    • @TocsTheWanderer
      @TocsTheWanderer 2 года назад +1

      They've always seemed silly to me, at least the way they're often portrayed on "vikings". I much prefer when the horns are facing forward rather than up

  • @juia7336
    @juia7336 2 года назад

    I'm not sure why people are still speculating about if they were used in battle - obviously they were used to hold drinks atop your head during the annual ritual ceremony of watching Ye Olde Superbowl, and, depending on if you were winning or losing, to spray them in the face of your enemies. Ahem.
    Jokes apart, it's super impressive that the helmets' age has been narrowed down to such a small period of time! Thanks for the video!

  • @jackiejames4551
    @jackiejames4551 2 года назад +1

    Jimmy, I really needed this today. I had a very bad day at work, and coming home to see your bird hair helped so much. Thank you. Also I always learn something new from you and I get to see some absolutely beautiful scenery. So a win all around.

  • @TwoMikesProductions
    @TwoMikesProductions 2 года назад +2

    Two.... serpents... curling forward...
    *hyborean drums play*

  • @bast713
    @bast713 2 года назад +1

    Really interesting information, thank you!
    I'm a little jealous you're able to sit outside and enjoy the sun. It's been a really cold winter where I live (yesterday it was 4° F which is about -15.5 ° C if Google converted it correctly for me).

  • @catherinerw1
    @catherinerw1 2 года назад

    Cool stuff!
    My school field trips were to places like Lavan Sands and Aber Falls... never did the Great Orme.

  • @oaktreeholler
    @oaktreeholler 2 года назад

    I've been waiting for this to be covered more

  • @urubutingaz5898
    @urubutingaz5898 2 года назад +1

    Gorgeous video! Loved your peaky blinder Outfit.

  • @walkyrja
    @walkyrja 2 года назад

    The horns give me some D&D’s beholders vibes!

  • @terryatherton2881
    @terryatherton2881 23 дня назад

    You can't fool me, I am old enough to remember HAGAR.

  • @noviceworks1503
    @noviceworks1503 2 года назад +2

    The roads around where my family used to live in Jamaica weren't paved...I assume because of the goats. Nice to know that the world over, they're just kind of...around in their various forms. XD

  • @samuelleask1132
    @samuelleask1132 2 года назад

    Hmm yes, archaeology is cool (it really is, these kinds of videos make my week!)

  • @nerudh
    @nerudh 2 года назад

    Thanks for this video and for magical bird hair! I started my Scandinavian history wormhole about 6 months ago to "culture stack" while learning Norwegian. I was super interested in the Viking age, like everyone is lol! But I am finding now that the bronze age is SUPER interesting and filled with incredible artifacts that pull at my heart with their detail and mystery.

  • @julianamagg3177
    @julianamagg3177 2 года назад +1

    I was just roaring a bit at the tv because they showed a school mascot that was a viking with bloody horned helmets. It also irritates me to see horned helmets sold in tourist shops here in Iceland

  • @archaeorobbo
    @archaeorobbo 2 года назад

    I'm researching this and there's a brilliant observation by Flemming Kaul that these motifs follow a solar narrative. Perhaps more interestingly, the 'S' symbol is ubiquitous in Celtic and Germanic art.
    So these razors mostly from 1100-500 BCE Jutland are truly fascinating in their fluid use of motifs. The 'S' which is depicted on the horns of the helmet is a common feature and constantly morphs into horses, birds, and serpents. Perhaps even more fascinating is the S, which also morphs into the solar boat's prow and stern.
    The back of the Vekso helmets has a Direct copy of these 'S-shaped prows. So this symbol is constantly shapeshifting into new forms, bringing to mind early animistic thought.
    Also, Celtic coinage commonly features a horse surrounded by solar imagery which is presented from naturalistic to completely abstract morphing into serpents and the LETTER S.
    The battle-axe also is HEAVILY associated with the divine twins who in the PIE myth pulled the sun across the sky. The kivik tombs depict two axes above two sun symbols. A double axe also appears on the NBA razors although many have called it a mushroom.
    The spiral motifs in one case are a direct copy or import of Minoan art. Where the axe is heavily associated with the sun. This is speculation but it seems reasonable. (Maybe explaining the appearance of labyrinths in northern Europe)
    Also in a paired NBA sculpture one twin leaps without a helmet next to his other brother with a horned helmet. Could this tie into the Minoan bull-leaping phenomena?
    Seriously incredible stuff.

  • @beethovenjunkie
    @beethovenjunkie 2 года назад +1

    Just stopped the Video to tell you that your German pronunciation was actually perfect. Back to watching now :D

  • @matthewjayjack8143
    @matthewjayjack8143 2 года назад

    Currently 2:39 in and all I know so far is we have headlines explaining what was already known as if it's new, and that I really want to visit that site early on a sunny morning and just chill by that tree.
    6:03- Would a lollypopter air drop some sweets? I hope so.
    I forgot to take more time stamps. I was too busy watching, and thinking bout wearing one of those sweet helmets. And also looking to see if there is a Regia chapter in this part of the US because I'm getting more and more interested in at least the crafting side of things and they cover my interests better than something like the SCA.
    Anyway, nice video. :)

  • @canucknancy4257
    @canucknancy4257 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for showing us such a beautiful area of the world. We have a town a bit west of here in one of the national parks, right in the Rockies. It is often overrun by deer and moose and such. Ungulates down main street. I get it. Take care.

  • @ReenactmentScotland
    @ReenactmentScotland 2 года назад +1

    You also might see aliens 👽 when visiting The Great Orme.

  • @deborahmcclain8134
    @deborahmcclain8134 2 года назад +1

    Mildly interested in helmets; vastly entertained by lollypopter & goats. Love your channel, keep up the great work!

  • @L.P1403
    @L.P1403 2 года назад

    There's certainly more behind these horned helmets than what would first appear. Although seperated by thousands of years, similar motifs appear in other artifacts such as Vendel (Torslunda plates, the Kungsängen figure), a horned head found in Blakely, Norfolk, the belt buckle from Finglesham. Could these be references to warrior cults and rituals that had been present since the Bronze Age? Unfortunately, Piggott's concept of "the past-as-known" vs "the past-as-wished-for" comes to mind. Perhaps we'll never know.

  • @paulaunger3061
    @paulaunger3061 2 года назад +2

    Gorgeous scenery for this vid! And a fascinating subject. I do feel sad sometimes that we may never know anything solid about these peoples - just such fragments. Although, if the Norse did originate in the Mediterranean (there seems to be a steady accumulation of knowledge suggesting they may well have done), you're not going to find the physical evidence in France and Germany - you're going to find it in Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia - their borders form virtually a straight line via land from Greece and Turkey.

    • @TheWelshViking
      @TheWelshViking  2 года назад +10

      Not the argument! The argument is that some element of a pan-European religion is displayed through these artefacts, not that the Norse originated in the Mediterranean. And, weirdly, it seems that Norse cultural elements spread *to* the nations you list, not from. Funky!

    • @paulaunger3061
      @paulaunger3061 2 года назад

      @@TheWelshViking LOL It's the argument I'm working on in a private project ;p But to or from doesn't matter - there's a route between them, and it goes by land as well as sea - but by land it doesn't seem to include France and Germany, only Eastern Europe. But I didn't know artefacts had been found there at all, so thanks for the info. If they were brought there by the Norse on their way south, that's fascinating - is there any chance of a video on the Romans in Scandinavia? I didn't know they got that far (going round the Goths, presumably!) - because it seems to me the Norse were extremely keen on getting to the Med (well, who wouldn't? ;p ) and I wondered if they went over land because the Roman invasion of Britain cut off the sea route. All plot bunnies and speculation ;)

  • @Isilsartari76
    @Isilsartari76 2 года назад

    I used to go up the Orme every week to the Copper mines when they first opened as I wanted to volunteer as part of my IB course. One of the best places to go see and explore.

  • @rd6203
    @rd6203 2 года назад

    Need a full picture of the horse piece...
    Could be the top of a bridle or hackamore or harness, and I really wanna see the whole thing

  • @button4631
    @button4631 2 года назад +2

    Not so strange, I live in a tiny New Zealand mountain farming town and it's normal for sheep, cattle, pigs or ponies randomly getting out on the roads roaming around.

  • @gypsydonovan
    @gypsydonovan 2 года назад +2

    School trips must be amazing all over Europe.
    In my pretty but strange part of the world I don't think there's a site older than the 20th century within 300 miles.
    Indigenous peoples around here (pacific northwest, United States) didn't leave much as far as sites. Lots of material artifacts but no structural sites.
    White people demolished most standing structures in the east. In the west they used organic building materials so not much survived.
    There's very little in the entire country that predates colonialism. Nothing in the pacific northwest with its wet climate.
    And around here, settlers came late. So you can find 15th century sites in the southeast, lots of 17th-19th century sites along the east coast, but here.... I literally can't think of anything before the 20th century.
    I did a school trip to a recreated 1820s-50s trading post. We literally had to leave the country. They piled us on a bus & took us to Canada.
    I remember being in Scotland & literally tripping over history (a broken tombstone in Edinburgh & then a bit of Hadrian's wall while fleeing an angry sheep). I've been able to visit places with tangible history.
    I feel left out. I probably would have enjoyed history in school more if I'd been able to experience it. There's nothing comparable to touching something of historic significance. Just pressing your hand against the wall at the tower of London or climbing a pyramid like Coba in Mexico.
    Even touristy stuff like kissing the blarney stone in Ireland or walking barefoot around Stonehenge gave me a feeling of connection to the past that you can't get by reading.
    But, there's no place on earth as pretty as the pacific northwest. If you disagree, you probably haven't been here.

  • @Finkeren
    @Finkeren 2 года назад

    One thing we do have, that is a lot closer to the viking age, is the depiction of "weapon dancers" in Vendel period art (as well as on the Sutton Hoo helmet) wearing headgear with very prominent horn-like crests. As far as I know, scholars can't really agree on whether these represent gods, mythical heroes, some kind of religious rite or actual real-life warriors.
    But this might be an indication, that while people in the Viking Age didn't use horned helmets, the IMAGE of the "horned warrior" might not have been all that foreign to them.

  • @meamela9820
    @meamela9820 2 года назад

    Oh, that sun chariot was so exiting to see! I hadn't known about it before (the helmets I had a vague picture of). Those really, really old stuff are always fascinating.
    I also sometimes think to myself that I come from a strange part of the world. But for other reasons. It is kind of amusing when you find those strange things that you have grown so familiar to.

  • @mnk9073
    @mnk9073 2 года назад

    Who wore horned helmets in battle? Everyone but the Vikings!
    But seriously, it's cool how horned helmets and big axes were so widely popular in the 8 centruy BC.

  • @oldmanofthemountains3388
    @oldmanofthemountains3388 2 года назад

    I'm fascinated how similar these helmets are to the Hoplomachus helmets used by gladiators. The hair-crest and sockets (used for feathers on the Hoplomachus) are similar on both!

  • @dashinvaine
    @dashinvaine 2 года назад

    This might be way off, but I wonder about an association between the Geats (like Beowulf) and the Getae of ancient Thrace. The Vekso horned helmets remind me of an ancient (4th century BC) helmet called the helmet of Cotofenesti, which is Geto-Dacian. It doesn't have horns (the top is missing anyway) but it does have similar nobbles, as well as the additional modelled eyes above the brow.

    • @TheWelshViking
      @TheWelshViking  2 года назад

      Geat comes from proto-Germanic Gautaz, no etymological link as far as is known to Getai which was probably a Greek exonym Herodotus used.

  • @elizabeththequeen943
    @elizabeththequeen943 2 года назад +2

    The horned helmets seem so impractical to me. Your foil could grab you by them and throw you to the ground so easily, particularly from the rear. I can see them not lasting very long, at least as helmets, but maybe to hang your hats on back at the round house.

  • @robinandreae8088
    @robinandreae8088 10 месяцев назад

    If it were an ad for breakfast cereal and they looked this miserable. And you made a comment about it, there wouldn't be any criticism about your post. People already have their minds made up in the first couple of words and don't listen to the rest. Your post isn't weird at all.

  • @justtryingtomakeachange2246
    @justtryingtomakeachange2246 2 года назад +2

    I like how everybody just collectively decided not to bring up how the thumbnail says ‘Horny Bronze Helmets’.

  • @benjaminmack7567
    @benjaminmack7567 2 года назад

    Well that was interesting, I couldn't not google about the papier maché heads! A bit of history that had passed me by!

  • @arwynpalmer1990
    @arwynpalmer1990 2 года назад +1

    If anyone wants a laugh, turn on auto captions and watch them struggle with Jimmy's Welsh 😂

  • @FranP93
    @FranP93 2 года назад

    There is a horned helmet displayed on the National museum of Scotland in Edinburgh. If I'm not wrong, the one displayed there is thought to have been used to adorn animals on ceremonies.

  • @lucie4185
    @lucie4185 2 года назад +1

    When the Captions gives up on Welsh and writes "San Diego" for "Llandudno" 🙄

  • @cadileigh9948
    @cadileigh9948 2 года назад

    vaguely reminds me of the long coiled trumpets But then anything made from bronze sets up resonances for me. I'm still adjusting to spending Pres not Arian after returning 5 years ago from 40 years exile in De Cymru.
    The little children who mined the ores need a mention. Thinking of them working long hours in narrow tunnels by rush or candle light helps us scrub the glamour away from our ancestors

  • @EDFRespect
    @EDFRespect 2 года назад

    Jimmy you should do a video on the lindisfarne raid or sunthin

  • @EchoAshbell
    @EchoAshbell 2 года назад +3

    Bronze age, ceremonial pastafarian helmets

  • @AzraelThanatos
    @AzraelThanatos Год назад

    Even with the Norse and "Vikings", I could see horned helmets existing, just not something, largely, used in battle (Theoretically, I could see an impressive helmet be something for officers to show off with), but something kind of like the extremely ornate weapons where they were ways to show off wealth.

  • @joshuayow4653
    @joshuayow4653 2 года назад

    I've seen Egyptian figures depicting "the sea people" sporting similar helmets and axes.
    Could be an interesting place to look for answers.

    • @TheWelshViking
      @TheWelshViking  2 года назад

      Yeah, some links to the Med would be fun!

  • @curiouslywoven9737
    @curiouslywoven9737 2 года назад

    It is frustrating how new information, instead of being represented as a wonderful addition/focus point, is sensationalized as a wholesale revelation. Bit over dramatic but at least it gets people considering the topic again. Thank you for showing another lovely site of interest - will be adding it to the travel list. Do you have a list anywhere of current archaeological journals you’d recommend? I’ve fallen a bit behind but do have access to quite a range through my former university - alumni/scholar access. Unfortunately they’ve moved most of their periodicals online so it’s not as much fun to browse and searches have to be a bit more focused. Am currently going through my back reading of Environmental Archaeology - my research interests at York were focused on Norse landscapes and environment, particularly in the Orkney Islands, and I’ve always maintained an interest in archaeobotany.

  • @Korina42
    @Korina42 2 года назад

    Sorry, how are wandering goats any weirder than hot tubbing monkeys? XD
    Excellent as always; thanks.

  • @mightyobserver9899
    @mightyobserver9899 2 года назад

    nice to see somone who is proud of their history, [even if it is welsh] only joking, that pratt ex army paz, what a bellend, never got a good word to say about wales. i love wales lovely place, i love history also, fare play to ya mate keep up the good work.

  • @thehorriblebright
    @thehorriblebright 2 года назад +1

    "Pretty but strange" is the name of my autobiography. No, sorry, that's supposed to be "Pretty strange".

  • @mealmoth8369
    @mealmoth8369 2 года назад

    I got a book about the Nebra disk for christmas that covered a whole range of contemporaneaous cultures to argue why what the disk depicts could be imported knowledge from Babylon and now I'm excited for all things european Bronze Age!

  • @karlscheuring3179
    @karlscheuring3179 2 года назад

    I love the nordic bronze age and germanic iron age up to the very early vendel period I've really been getting into it especially the proto germanic language

  • @dolores111
    @dolores111 2 года назад

    I think scandinavian bronze age people really liked birds. Idk just a vibe I'm getting 🤔

  • @BrotherJing1
    @BrotherJing1 2 года назад +1

    People really forget just how vital bronze production was for a very long period, even Cornwall which has been proven to be exporting Tin to the Mediterranean as early as the Bronze age is often only thought about in terms of Poldark type early modern mining.
    Gets really irritating trying to explain how wrong the image of Cornwall, or Wales come to it, as poor unconnected backwaters is. All of it is largely based on Anglo centric histories from the Victorian period.

  • @pseudomugilidae5897
    @pseudomugilidae5897 2 года назад

    I don't really know the specifics of carbon dating, but I am very familiar with U-Pb dating and other isotopic dating techniques that are applicable to the deep crustal geologic processes that are the subject of my studies. That said, that is some incredibly impressive mass spectrometry work to get a 50 year date range on something like that!

  • @peterszeug308
    @peterszeug308 2 года назад

    You sounded like having a French accent when attempting Prähistorische Zeitschrift! LOL
    The only noticeable flaw was the Z, which should be voiceless. Apart from that there was literally nothing to forgive 😀

  • @mollierocket705
    @mollierocket705 2 года назад

    So interesting

  • @stephendunscombe
    @stephendunscombe 2 года назад +1

    I'm confused about the use of "carbon dating" here.
    It's my understanding that carbon dating refers to measuring the ratio of carbon-12 and carbon-14 in matter that was previously *alive* - the air is full of carbon-12, animals take it in and convert it to carbon-14, and after they die it breaks back down into carbon-12.
    ... Which, if accurate, would make carbon dating completely useless for metal.
    What am I missing? Is the term "carbon dating" used loosely for a number of other dating methods? Am I mistaken in my understanding of the process?

  • @EivorsRaven
    @EivorsRaven 2 года назад

    Love the channel!, Do you have any recommendations for historical books (even textbooks) that you think are must haves? Keep up the great work! its awesome your making this full time ! 🤓🧐📖

  • @DrachenGothik666
    @DrachenGothik666 2 года назад

    Something about the near-uniform shaping of the "horns" on those helmets, the shape of the ends, the holes on those ends, and the fact that the images and effigies that show horned figures don't show anything like feathers or horsehair in the tubes bothers me... Does the hollow tubing open all the way into and through the helmet, or does it end, closed, at the helmet? The helmets seem kind of deep, too, maybe too deep for regular wearing and might even obscure the wearer's vision. The only way to test that would be to take measurements, make replicas and have someone wear one. Were these helmets used as "speaking horns" to amplify the wearer's voice? That might not work, the ends don't bell outward at the ends... What about smoking herbs in ceremonies? And the smoke goes through the tubing to rise above the wearer's head? One way to find out is to look for burned residue inside the tubing, though there's little chance much will have survived after all this time and just getting at it will be a trick and a half. I dunno, the helmets are fascinating things, and they may well have just been ceremonial items--I doubt they were ever worn for battle (they seem far too thin for that), and my odd little suppositions are probably nothing at all like what they were ever used for. They were probably just worn as ceremonial helmets, as they were, maybe with feathers and horsehair, or without, and the strange shaping of the horns was just a design choice, rather than a practical one.

  • @aliciavelice3806
    @aliciavelice3806 2 года назад +1

    I really want to visit Wales, I mean the goats sold me lol. So curious did I read that right that they came from the Iberian Penninsula? Are they Celtic? I know some of the Celtic tribes were from that area.

  • @popsandworm
    @popsandworm 2 года назад

    I am intrigued by the horned helmets/hats on the figures on the Sutton Hoo helmet. As these are so much later (and of course in Britain, though there seem to be very direct Scandinavian parallels) is it a massive leap to think there may be a connection? Particularly tempting since the Sutton Hoo helmet also has an animal motif on its central ridge (dragon's head rather than bird's beak). It's conjecture, but is it daft conjecture?

  • @ruckusfitnesd7505
    @ruckusfitnesd7505 2 года назад

    If you ever go to the Hancock museum in Newcastle UK there is some interesting bronze age weapons etc and some very gorgeous bronze and iron age pottery and jewelry and speaking of odd have you met the average Geordie

  • @tasfa10
    @tasfa10 2 года назад

    I had heard that horned helmets were a Hollywood invention! So they're really not, they're just completely misplaced when they're used in viking stuff. But then there are those famous metal things with drawings in it and one of them has a man with what seems like a wolf's head and another one that seems to have horns. What's that about?

  • @notably5233
    @notably5233 2 года назад

    Haha I thought I recognised the place you were sitting in. Segontium right?

  • @talscorner3696
    @talscorner3696 2 года назад

    1400bC is, what, couple centuries before the Hellenic Middle Ages?

  • @oldoneeye7516
    @oldoneeye7516 2 года назад

    Your German is excellent, no need to apologize!

  • @roxelanaorc4065
    @roxelanaorc4065 2 года назад

    Your German pronounciation is alright. Pretty good actually.
    But it's 'Deutsch is next on the list' not Deutsche ;)
    Keep up the great work. Greetings from Germany.

  • @spinsterwitch1
    @spinsterwitch1 2 года назад

    So clearly we need to invent a reliable form of time travel to find out!

  • @stevej5813
    @stevej5813 2 года назад

    Had to watch Heilung Krigsgaldr after watching this

  • @knightsmarshall1
    @knightsmarshall1 2 года назад

    I'm not saying it was alien worship, but it's alien worship...
    :P