Hi Marc, I am torn between the Cordona Prestige and the Babila ... what are your thoughts? Will the flow control make that much of a difference in taste and control. Also the Babila does espresso macchiato (the Prestige could probably do it with a custom setting). Milk temp between the two? Pros and Cons of the two? thanks!
Hi Sam, Thanks for the question. If you switch between espresso beverages and regular larger cups of coffee the flow control on the Babila does make a difference. On the flip side the Cadorna Prestige does highly programmable Americanos. At the end of the day the Americano may equal or surpass the quality of a flow controlled longer coffee made on the Babila but that depends on your personal taste preferences. I have used the Babila as my daily driver in the studio for ~2 years. I do like it. But, I love the UI of the Prestige. Also Prestige can flip the order of milk and espresso prep by beverage. For a proper espresso macchiato you want the espresso made first followed by the milk. The Prestige can do that if you start with a flat white, cortado or cafe au lait and customize as you mention. Customizing is super easy to do and you can save 4 versions of any customized drink although you cannot rename it. Water reservoir is slightly larger in the the Prestige as is the milk carafe. The Babila has a quick automatic steam cleaning of the carafe after doing a milk drink. Just push the milk spout over and steam is sent through the handle and into the drip tray. The Prestige does a quick clean as well but it a short burst of hot water through frothing components in the carafe. IMO The Cadorna Prestige has a lot to offer. The UI and flipped milk prep are big features. Hope that helps! Marc
I HAVE THE GAGGIA ACADEMIA. I bought it in 2012, and it's still going strong. I've done a few repairs to it over the years, but it's been a great machine. And we use the heck out of it. Probably the best $1600 I ever spent. If these machines are as durable as that machine, they'll have a winner.
Hi Marcel, Thanks for sharing your long-term experience with the Gaggia Accademia. It's a fine machine and was my daily driver for a few years. Guessing you've made 1000's maybe tens of thousands of drinks in 8 years of use. With a nearly identical internal brewing I'm confident the Cadorna machines will be just a s durable! And the UI is a huge upgrade for Gaggia. Marc
Hi ! I am italian, the Gaggia are italian machines, and I had to see such a fantastic presentation from an American man! 😉👏 excellent presentation, especially because it clearly explains what are the differences between the various machines, and what you buy by paying more. At the end of the day, for my needs I will buy the Cadorna Prestige!
I’m trying to decide between a Gaggia Cadorno Milk and a Breville Impress Touch. Which would you recommend? I think the Gaggia makes better espresso but that’s just me.
Hi jm, The Gaggia Cadorna is much simpler to use as it's an automatic bean to cup machine. Press a button and the machine does it all. The Breville is technically considered a semi-automatic machine. You grind into a portafilter and then move it to the group and brew. More user involvement with that one. If you know what you're doing the Breville is capable of producing better espresso - but it takes some knowledge and effort to get there and produce consistent results.
@@joanmorris3057 Very reliable so long as you do the basic maintenance. Feed good water, proper beans - avoid beans that show more than 25% coverage with surface oils, descale when machine prompts and it's not unreasonable to expect >15,000 brew cycles without issues.
@@Wholelattelovepage one more question. Can this machine make one single espresso at a time? How about one double? My old model could and I liked that feature. I have only seen two doubles demonstrated at a time.
I'm looking to buy a super automatic machine. Looking at the drinks available between the milk & prestige I see it's mainly the XL options for macchiato & cappuccino you get with the prestige. Are these just larger sizes of the regular drinks? I usually drink from a large travel mug, I think about 20 oz
Hi ml5, Yes, they are larger sizes of the regular drinks. The XL options max out at about 14oz using ~3oz of coffee and 11oz of frothed milk. Depending on your preferences, you could go with the XL versions or make 2 regular sizes into a single cup. Hope that helps! Marc
In regards to a former question, I asked about cleaning and I am more concerned about the descaling cleaning as I have not gotten a display from the machine to perform this yet and I have had this for about 18 months. The manual says that it will signal when this is to be done so should I wait?
Hi Stacey, So long as you initially setup the machine properly by testing your water with the included water hardness test strip and entering the test results in the machine it should alert you to descale when it's needed. If you have very soft water and also use a water filter in the reservoir it's possible it may never need descaling or be in the 1000's of brew cycles before it's needed.
I have a question in regard to the maintenance and cleaning of the Prestige Milk. Is there any issue for using hot water and the spray option when doing the weekly rinsing of the brew unit? Just not sure if the hot water and extra pressure of using the spray would cause any issues with that part of the maintenance. Also, I have had my Prestige for over a year and have not had the unit display any cleaning as of yet. Should I be worried about this or just go ahead and initiate some cleaning anyway??
Hi Stacey, I would avoid using the spray option and use room temperature water to rinse the brew unit when out of the machine. If you're too aggressive with spray and water temperature you may remove lubrication from the moving parts of the brew unit. I would go ahead and do the cleaning monthly using the gaggia cleaning tablets as described on page 28 of the manual. Here's a link to the manual if needed: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/1500002384522/Cadorna-Prestige-Manual.pdf And the Coffee Clean tablets: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-coffee-clean-tablets-cfae181c-1f2a-4170-85fc-1f00acf75f21 Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Marc. Great review. We have had a Valesca for several years and a Syncrony Logic before that. Both have worked great. The Valesca has been bullet-proof. We always use the filter and descale as required using the Gaggia descaling solution. Lately the incidents of losing prime and water leaks have become more frequent. It always recovers, but fooling with the machine takes time. Is the Cordona the replacement for the Valesca? Seems like it and some parts are even recognizable. Is six or seven years about when we should look for a replacement? Thanks.
Hey John, Thanks for the kind comment, question and report on your Syncrony Logic and Velasca! Yes, the Cadorna is an improved version of the Velasca with nicer UI and more drink options. 6-7 years could be a reasonable replacement time frame but depends more on number of drinks made, how diligent you're been with maintenance and how willing you are to fool with the machine. If you're north of 15,000 brew cycles I'm inclined to call it a good run and go for an upgrade. But even at that use level most issues are DIY repairable if you're handy and willing. If you got the machine from us our Tech Support can help with that. If you choose to replace the Cadorna is a good choice. Not sure what your budget is or desired features but I'll mention the updated Gaggia Accademia. It's Gaggia's top machine. Makes the best espresso and Americanos I've ever had from an automatic bean to cup. Also has a whole new range of milk drinks available - it can even vary milk froth density on a per drink basis. Check it out here: ruclips.net/video/jZWS38_Jge4/видео.html Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for your response, Marc. Yes, we bought all of our machines from you folks over about 15 years, and I regularly order the descaling solution and filters. Is there a way to tell how many brewing cycles have been run? The real reason to upgrade is the putzy factor. My wife works as a provider at Mayo Clinic and needs a good cup of coffee (or two or three) before she heads to the hospital at 5:30 a.m. I don't want her to have to fool with the Velasca when she is trying to get out the door, nor do I want her getting me up to fix it. I also don't want her to deal with the occasional overnight water leak all over the counter and floor. Her coffee experience as she leaves for a very stressful and long (12 hour) workday should be uneventful and enjoyable. What about the Magenta? We really never do milk drinks. Only really good coffee. I would do Americanos if we had a machine that would do them (Velasca will do them, but manually as I understand it). Magenta has a lower price, holds more water, and has a larger dreg box and drip tray (than the Velasca). Only concern I have is refilling the water and bean hopper. The Velasca sits under the cabinets on our counter top. Currently has about 8" of clearance. We filled the Syncrony Logic by removing and replacing the tank. Maybe that would work on the Magenta? And, how would the Velasca do in our RV? It would have to be emptied of water and secured safely, but are they up to the vibration and movement as we go down the road? I am researching at this point, but I do know we love our super automatic Gaggias and have come to rely on them every day. If it makes sense to upgrade, we will do it. I will check out the Accademia, but they are pricey. Kind of like Escalade vs. Silverado. I have owned three Escalades and they are terrific. Now I drive a Silverado because I just don't need the bling and the pickup is more useful and just as comfortable (and costs less.)
Comparing the Barista Plus to the Prestige, would you get better froth by manually steaming milk? How well does the Prestige's automatic milk froth compare?
Hi DV, Thanks for the question. If one has the skill (or the patience to practice/learn) the Barista Plus with manual frothing gives one the capability of producing latte art quality froth. Froth from the Prestige and Milk models is very good. Two keys on those models are convenience of one-touch barista quality milk drinks with no skill/effort required and flipping the order of espresso and milk prep to best suit the drink being made. Marc
Just bought this Gaggia Cardona Barista Plus from "Whole Latte Love" to replace my Jura ENA 4. Can you explain why, after it rinses itself and powers down, the light on the ON/OFF button flashes intermittently every 5 seconds for no reason that I have been able to find? Did I miss an explanation in the Manual? Don't want to miss something maybe I should be doing.
Hi patti, Thanks for the question and your patronage. The flashing on/off button is normal operation when the machine is powered off. Reason is so user know which button to press to turn the machine on. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Have had this Gaggia Cardona Barista Plus for many months now, I can say I really like this machine. Easier to clean than my Jura by FAR, and makes a great drink, and excellent milk frothing. The "Favorites" button is a real time saver too. That said, I still hate the never ending flashing ON/OFF button, endlessly distracting for no reason at this point. Once I've used it I KNOW where the darn ON/OFF button is! :P Maybe if it's in a big office it would need this kind of endless reminder. At home it's just a constant unnecessary distraction drawing my eye to it, especially at night. Should be a setting to turn it off. Makes me want to unplug it or put black tape over it.
@@Wholelattelovepage this is my 2nd ever super auto espresso machine, my 1st was a Saeco Intela Evo, it died after about 4 years and making about 10k coffees
Hi Marc, Two more question on the Prestige vs Babila. The Cordona Prestige has a single boiler vs double boiler on the Babila? 1. How does that affect performance and taste 2. Are milk and coffee temp outputs the same or is one higher than the other. Pro and Cons. Thanks!
I am curious about this too. I am trying to choose between the Prestige and the Babila as I replace a Saeco Incanto Sirius that has pulled 25K+ drinks for us in the past 14 years. The double boiler on the Babila seems like an advantage, but perhaps it doesn't really matter.
Great question as I’m on the fence as well between the 2 machine. I never considered the Prestige until I chatted with support and directed me to Prestige.
Hi Marc, I am ready to order my first espresso machine and I am torn between the Cadorna Milk and Magenta Prestige. The primary difference for me is creating separate user profiles in the Cadorna and getting the built in carafe on the Magenta Prestige. My wife and I have wildly different preferences for coffee taste. I am aware I can have both with the Cadorna Prestige; however, I would like to stay within a budget of around $1,000. Any feedback would be appreciated.
Hi Marc. Thank you for your honest reviews. I'm considering the Cadorna barista plus. Can you tell me how much more coffee is in a 5 bean setting as opposed to a 1 bean setting?
Hi, love your videos! I'm currently trying to decide between the Gaggia Velasca prestige and the Cadorna Prestige. I'm primarily an espresso drinker although my wife loves her flat whites and cappuccinos. Having a hard time trying to figure out which one would be best for us. The Velasca has the pre extraction soaking options but as far as I can see, the Cadorna doesn't. If you had to choose, which would you go for? Many thanks.
Hi j, Thanks for the kind comment and question. I've been using the Cadorna as the daily driver in the studio for more than a year now and I have access to any Gaggia machine. Just checked the counter and I'm at about 2,500 total drinks on the machine. ~600 of those were straight espresso. Apprently my favorite is the Americano at 1,077T on the the Cadorna does pre-wet the coffee prior to full pressure brewing - it's always on. Just not controllable as it is on the Velasca. If it's not obvious, I have chosen the Cadorna. It's a more up to date design with much nicer UI, more drink options and deeper control of drink parameters. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Marc. Correction. Additional research. the Gaggia cordona prestige and the Seaco Xelsis are identical in there interface,controls,customization. Both of these machines are excellent that will rival any of the jura machine for less money
Hi s, thanks for the question. The Cadorna Barista Plus has more precise control of grind settings. 10 settings on the Cadorna vs. 5 on the Brera. This may help better dial in the grind to match the coffee used. The brewing unit is essentially the same in both machines. Perhaps the difference in look comes down to the beans used.
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks. Yes I suspect that too. I buy a moka blend from Sweet Marias and roast on an Ambex YM2. Great taste but not much crema and don't use the built in grinder anymore because of all the false bean out errors even when it's clean. My Baratza Solis has very old burrs and since they are not available anymore I'm looking at buying the Vario W+. So could be my grinder too.
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks. I do see that the Cadorna is 1400 watts and not 1200 watts like my Brera which might lead to a hotter water temp? I also see a refurbished version of this on your site for $699. Anyway to tell either what it looks like (like new?) or what was wrong with it or is it just a returned open box special? Thanks
@@sdcoffeeroaster More recent models tend to produce hotter drinks than those that have been out for awhile. Also older machines tend to lose a little heat if they have unresolved internal scale deposits. Refurb machines tend to be look like new buyers remorse open box returns. They may have some scratches or evidence of light use. Some may even be machines I've used in videos. No way to photos or exact history of refurb machines but they are all tested. Here's an article with more detail on refurbs, policy, warranty, etc: www.wholelattelove.com/blogs/articles/used-espresso-machines
Just received the Cadorna Milk for Christmas and noticed that when I turned it off, the on/off button flashes about every 20-30 seconds. I never heard any reference to that in any video or in the manual. Is that normal?
@@Wholelattelovepage That is good to know. Thanks for the quick reply, Marc. Could you look at my prior questions I sent about 4 weeks ago when you get a chance. Thanks again
Hi Marc. The seaco xelsis gives the user to choose the have milk done first OR last in addition to temp, amount, etc in addition to following the coffee receipe intended as the gaggia cardona.
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc. After researching your question on whether the Seaco Xelsis can do a true americano and the answer is yes. Also, with the xelsis , you can adjust the amount of coffee and milk by ml. Real numbers. Rather than low, medium, high. On paper the Seaco Xelsis and Gaggia Cordona Prestige have some of the best features regarding interface, ease of use, and options that rival Jura top tier machines(S, and Z series) for a LOT LESS money
I have a question. It is normal if the water tank is stuck in the machine and It is impossible to remove it without splashing water everywhere? I'm not the first who has had the same experience.
I'm having a hard time getting good flat whites out of this. I played with several settings but I'm no coffee expert so I can't figure out what to play with (though I've certainly tried many different things so far). What would you suggest for a flat white (I add a bit of maple syrup for some sweetness), I'm using Lavazza Super Crema for now. thanks! I had it at double shot 1.18oz espresso, grind setting 2, bean strength 5. I think it might be too bitter I have a lingering after taste
Hi JC, Let me see if I can help. This may sound counter intuitive but I would increase the espresso volume to over 2oz. and drop the strength. At a strength setting of 5 you are making the 1.18oz of espresso from ~23g of ground coffee! That's essentially a triple shot. Try a 3 for strength and increasing the espresso volume. I'd stick with your current grind setting. Hope that helps! Marc
I just made my first cappuccino on the Cadorna milk. I did a quick clean, instructions say to put the tube in water but the function doesn't suck up water to quick clean the tube. What's the point of putting the tube in water if it won't rinse it out? I opted to use the milk froth function to rinse out the tube. Aside from this I'm loving my Cadorna milk
Hi Elena, I know we've talked before when you were deciding on a machine. So thanks for coming back with the feedback! Happy to hear you are loving your machine. I think the manual may be a bit vague. Using the Quick Clean the machine puts hot water through the frothing component. If you do the Deep Clean it will suck up water through the tube. For the deep clean you can/should use a milk system cleaner added to water in carafe like Urnex Rinza: www.wholelattelove.com/products/urnex-rinza-milk-frother-cleaner Marc
Hi sb, Thanks for the question. It's the same on both the Milk and Prestige models. Both have Quick Clean and Deep Clean functions. After making a milk drink you are given the option on-screen to run the Quick Clean function. You can ignore that and screen returns to normal if you'll be making another milk drink. The Quick Clean only take a few seconds to run and rinses the frothing components with hot water. On the Milk model you are advised to put the milk pickup tube in a glass of water for the Quick Clean. On the Prestige models that is not required. For the Deep Clean remove the carafe or milk supply, rinse, add water and small amount of milk cleaning solution. Re-attach the carafe or milk supply press a button and the cycle runs automatically. Detergent, water and steam are run through the frothing components. for a minute or so. Then remove milk supply, rinse and fill with clean water. Re-attach, press button and water and steam rinse the frothing components for a minute or so. Whole process takes under 5 minutes and requires your attention 2 times. Hope that helps! Marc
Question: How hard is it to change beans?? Looks like you toss it in a bin but can I change the bean to a decaf bean at night so I’m not up all night? Haha. I didn’t know if the bean bin was something you can take out or do you have to somehow tilt the machine to remove them?! Thx!!!
Hi CHPV, Thanks for the question. Sorry for the delayed response - I've been on vaca and offline for a week. These types of machines do not have removable bean hoppers for switching out the beans. They do have bypass dosers which can use pre-ground coffee. And making the occasional decaf is te most popular use of that capability. Marc
Hi Marc, I love your reviews and insights. Trying to determine the best machine for me. I just bought the academia, it’s great. However in reviewing the prestige cordona I’m wondering if it’s hotter? The custom profiles and more drinks (including Americano) are swaying me. Also I can see customizing by ounces would be easy for our cups. Hot hot coffee is super important to us. Love your thoughts, thx.
Hi Mike, Thanks for the kind comment. As I mentioned the Cadorna, which I'm currently using daily for delicious Americanos is one of the hotter machines I've used. Depending on your local variables you can expect temps of ~185-192F measured directly out of the spouts. In cup temps will be lower. Machines brew internally at ~200F at max temp setting and there's some cooling as it makes its way from brewing to the spouts and more cooling in the cup. One tactic for hotter coffee is to pre-heat your cup before brewing. For those who want it super hot 20-30 seconds in the microwave after brewing will get you there. Marc
Yes, we're working on getting those on the site but in the meantime you can call and order one - 585-924--7170 (option 1), just tell the rep you're looking for SKU GA-421945006991 AJ
So is there a way to adjust any of the preset drinks on the milk so that I can make a flat white? I guess I would like to know if I can create any additional drinks via adjustments of the preset ones.
Another question while I am waiting for an answer to my prior question. In some of the videos on the Gaggia Cardona series, I have heard that it could make near a triple shot based on how the drink is setup. Can someone explain if that is really possible and what would it take to do that.
Hi Marc, Thank you for the informative video of the Gaggia Cadorna Super Automatic Espresso Machines. I am wondering if these machines follow the "golden rule" of espresso extraction (once grind size for the particular bean is dialled in): 1:2/2.5 extraction and extraction time of 20-30 seconds?
Hi Darryl, You are welcome and thanks for the comment and question. Due to their design they do not follow golden rule extraction timing. Max coffee dose in the Cadorna is ~11g. If making a double espresso on the Cadorna 2 grind cycles happen automatically. Total the times for the 2 extractions and it'll be in the ball park of golden rule. Marc
Hello, my Accademia died after 4 wonderful years, non-repairable. One of the features I loved was it's ability to change milk density depending on drink recipe or user setting. Does the Cardona Prestige also have this feature?
Hi Yk, Sorry to hear your Accademia failed. Sounds like you really enjoyed it! The programmable automatic control of milk density in 3 levels is a key and very rare feature. Sorry the Cadorna Prestige does not have that feature. Still available on the Accademia. A few more expensive Jura machines can manually adjust between steamed and frothed milk. A couple of really high-end $$ Jura machines like the Giga 6 do it automatically with programmable amounts of each type in a single drink. Marc
I guess Gaggia classic 2019 is better. Maybe temperature stability these are better, but the way in which the coffee is extracted, the tamping, the sperimentato you can do with the classic and classic pro, IMHO there is no way this machines can do better. Of course. whoever buy these machines is not interested in dialing in though.
Hi BC, These machines produce consistent quality with no skill required. Convenient barista quality drinks very quickly. Semi-automatic machines are capable of better quality but producing it requires some skill, effort and knowledge on the part of the user. As @Leonida mentioned purchasers of this type of machine are likely not interested in dialing in a grind. They want it easy and fast. Marc
How would you compare the quality of the espresso shots that the Prestige produces to what I can produce with my Gaggia Classic with all the upgrades WLL has recommended? I’m the only one in the house that uses the Classic and a Prestige would get much more use. I was looking at the Profitec 600 machine but this might be a better option for our house. I just don’t want to sacrifice too much quality for convenience.
Hi MG, Thanks for the question. The Classic is capable of better espresso than a super-auto. But as you're likely aware that takes some knowledge, skill and effort. I have a similar situation in my home. I'm the only one who uses a semi-auto on a regular basis. Of course others drink and enjoy what I make for them. If I'm not around the wife and college age daughter only use the super-auto. I use a Cadorna Prestige as well for a couple Americanos every morning and the wife does straight coffee while the kid likes the lattes. There is a sacrifice of potential quality. But the consistency and convenience go way up! Marc
Hi H B, Thanks for the question and greeting from the US! If adjusting your grind finer then the grinder should be running or the machine should be totally free of any beans. If adjusting to a coarser setting then the grinder does not need to be grinding. Marc
Hi Marc, thanks for a great comparison! How does the Cadorna Prestige compare to the Delonghi Dinamica? I'm especially curious about any differences in drink quality. Thanks!
Hi Brad you are welcome and thanks for the kind comment and question. Honestly not even a fair comparison. The Cadorna Prestige blows away the Dinamica in every respect. Not too surprising I suppose as it costs more. The Prestige has a much better user interface, does true Americanos, cafe quality flat white made with up to 23g dose of coffee using 2 automatic grind cycles, quick and easy drink customization, 4 user profiles with each users own custom drinks, much easier milk drinks using the attachable carafe. Marc
I have Gaggia Platinum Vision, it was nice but I suffered too much form Cockroaches, they love these beans to cup machines, i have been forced to de-assemble it to its smaller part to clean and sanitise it, once tested again, i left it until full dry and kept it at the store forever, never used it again, and shifted to manual machine, i am using Breville infuser and Breville Smart grinder pro. Will this Cadorna series still have the Cockroaches invasion problem like all other “beans to cup” machines?
Hi KAA, Well... I know the roaches are attracted to warm places and maybe the electronics. If me I'd do my best get rid of the roaches. If bad infestation they're likely to go after similar devices so can't say they'd be less likely to invade a Cadorna. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage they only invaded the coffee machine, once cleaned and kept it dry, they disappeared for good. I wish that automatic coffee machines designers re-consider its current design that allows for this disaster. Practically, the current standard design has lots of wet/damp areas full of coffee and it is full of air vents inviting them.
Hi j, Thanks for the question. The Cadorna machines IMO compare very favorably to Jura machines. Generally get similar features at a much lower price. Color displays, true Americanos and flipping of milk prep order costs more on Jura machines. Marc
Hi Marc, quick question regarding the Milk vs the Prestige versions: - If not using for a milk drink, they are basically the same? Both machines normally work without attaching the milk tube / the carafe? Can you tell if it's possible to do froth milk with non-dairy milks? (ie almond, oat, coconut, rice, etc) Thank you
Where does the hot water come out from on the milk edition? Does the little carafe come with the Cardona milk? Last question, how could I make with the "milk" a espresso macchiato?
Hey Elena, Thanks for the questions. The frothing device removes from the machine and hot water comes out of the pipe it attaches to. The little carafe does come with the machine. To make an espresso macchiato program a cappuccino to deliver a small amount of milk. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Liz, Thanks for the question. Yes you can select 2 coffees and the macvhine will grind and brew twice so it doubles the volume set for a single coffee beverage. That works for any coffee only beverage except the Americano. Marc
Hi BB, Thanks for the question. If seeking value go with the Cadorna Milk. For added convenience the Cadorna Prestige with removable carafe. Beyond the milk system and the gray front of the Prestige the machines are nearly identical in function and capabilities. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NDU2ODM5ODAzNzA0Niw0NTY4MzkxOTA5NDMw Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage sir thank you so much ......sir I am from India so pricing wise I am not saving much even if I buy a Cardona prestige..that's the main reason y I am confused ...so if in terms of quality of coffee specially milk based...which of the two should I go with.....I m.sorry to trouble u with my questions...but I am unable to decide ....
Hi Marc, another question from me here in the UK! Have you had chance to try the new Magenta range of Gaggia machines? In the UK we don’t get the Barista Plus, only a Plus model which has a smaller Panarello instead of the Professional Steam arm. I’m therefore looking at the Magenta Plus which strangely does come with the steam arm but no programmeable drinks, no physical buttons and a slightly smaller machine overall. Thanks!
Hi Andrew, We have the Gaggia Magento machines in house now and should have videos coming out in the next couple of weeks. They are similar to the Gaggia Cadorna line. A couple of differences. The Magento uses a color touch screen while the Cadornas have a color screen with physical buttons. Also, Cadorna can save 4 versions of each drink. it's just 1 one the Magentos. Marc
Hi s, you are welcome for the video. With proper routine maintenance we regularly get reports of 10,000+ brew cycles without problems on these types of machines. Most important is to use good water quality (use the filter) and descale the machine when it alerts to do so. Marc
I'd love to see another grinder video. I'm lost in the decision of flat or conical burrs. How does the Ceado e37s and the e37k differ besides burr shape? And why does the conical grinders not come in a titanium burr version? So many questions...
Hi Heron, If using for espresso grinding go with flat burrs. There has been some debate in past re. flat vs. conical. But a huge majority of high-end espresso grinders are using flat burrs. Even at the lower-end of grinding manufacturers who were using conical have switched to flat. Marc
Is there a list available for liquid volume ranges (in oz or ml) per each drink for the Codorna Prestige? Do the espresso/milk drinks have 1-4 oz range for the espresso itself? And what are the milk ranges for those drinks? From the video, it looks like the Americano ranges are 1-4oz for espresso with 1-4oz water, is that correct? And what are the Coffee (cup of Joe) drink ranges? Thanks for your help, and great video!
Hi Derek, Thanks for the question. As part of my evaluation of the machines I did record all the liquid volume ranges for drinks on all models. Some of the Prestige liquid ranges: Espresso: 1 - 2.7oz Coffee: 3.04 - 8.11oz Espresso Lungo: 2 - 3.7oz Americano: Coffee .67 - 2.36oz Water 2.2 - 5.41oz Cafe Cortado: Coffee .67 - 2.36 Milk .33 - 2.02oz Flat White: Coffee (2 grind cycles) 2.02 - 3.38oz Milk 1.69 - 3.38oz Latte Macchiato: Milk 4.47 - 11.49 Coffee 1.35 - 3.04 Cappuccino XL: Milk 4.04- 10.02 Coffee 1.69 - 3.38oz Hope that helps! Marc
Hi AN, Thanks for the question. Not really. Their froth tends to be just a bit airier than the super fine froth created by manual frothing. I've pulled it off with automatically frothed milk by pouring the froth between a couple of pitchers before pouring into espresso. That helps break up the bubbles a bit and creates a uniform texture. Marc
Hi SdS, Thanks for the question. The Cadorna Prestige has a metal cup tray while the Cadorna Milk's is plastic. It''s a stretch to call either a "heat tray". They do pick up passive heat from the internals of the machine but do not have elements which actively heat the area. Marc
Aaah thank you for sorting that out..theres a vid out there on another channel who made that statement lol he should prob go sell cars instead :P Thx again keep it up! Cheers.
I'm torn between the Barista and the Prestige models. I currently have a Breville barista that just died and I need to replace it. I make a Latte every morning and I love the milk to be super hot. I don't mind steaming the milk and I'm really good at it, but the convenience of the Prestige is very attractive. Does the Prestige save that much time to warrant the extra expense?
Hi Mary Ann, Thanks for the question. If you like the milk super hot and don't mind frothing I suggest going with the Cadorna Barista Pro. Machines that do the milk automatically tend to go to milks sweet temp at ~140F. If you'd like a better idea of the process of frothing on the Barista model we did this video last Friday in which we make 4 lattes on the machine: ruclips.net/video/Q3P4HjGgqCM/видео.html Marc
Hi Marc thanks for the great review! I am torn between the Anima Prestige and the Cadorna Prestige. The two seem very similar in terms of specs and I'm not sure if the Cadorna is worth the extra investment. And within the Cadorna line, I love the practicality of the Milk vs the prestige (you can use your own milk carton and put it back in the fridge, but was disappointed that it has less features than the Prestige. Thoughts, recommendations?
Hi Marc, I'm torn between the Jura E8 Touch and Cadorna Prestige. How would you rate the difference in espresso quality, milk frothing quality plus temperature and very important as well: the daily/weekly/monthly cleaning effort required of the milk system.
Hi MB, Here's a link to side by side spec comparison with current pricing for those machines: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MjMxMDgwMjIxMDg3MCw0NTY4Mzk4MDM3MDQ2 My thoughts... Espresso quality: I've used both machines a lot. Currently using a Cadorna Prestige as daily driver here in the studio and I've had a Jura Micro 90 as daily driver at home for more than a year. The Micro 90 uses essentially the same brew system as the E8. I have no personal preference on the espresso quality. I've used the same beans in both machines and get similar results. Milk frothing: Temperatures of milk are similar on both. Depending on your source milk temp out of the spout you'll get temps of 125F/52C - 140/60C. That's what all super-autos are tuned to produce as milk is at its sweetest at those temps. One thing The E8 has is the ability to change from steamed milk with little to no air added to a frothed milk with air added using the lever on the frothing device. Milk system cleaning: Here's a link to the E8 manual describing milk system cleaning: us.jura.com/-/media/global/pdf/manuals-na/Home/E8/E8-v18/download_manual_e8_e80_na.pdf?la=en&hash=5372676AF568FC3D78474ECE87DE3AB9C2F49235&em_force=true Link to Cadorna Prestige manual describing milk system cleaning: www.gaggia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/4219-450-06541-MAN.-GAG.-CAD.-PRESTIGE-OTC-EN-NL-PL.pdf Hope that helps! Marc
Just been looking at the cardona plus as an upgrade to my sage barista express. The cardona plus model you show has a metal steam wand yet when I search locally ( I'm in the UK) all I find are models with a nasty looking short plastic wand, is the cardona plus model you show a newer model???? Great videos keep up the hard work
Hi lee, Thanks for the kind comment and question. The first pre-production Cadorna Plus I saw a year or so ago did have the auto-frothing wand. Way back when we requested Gaggia make Plus models for North America with a manual wand. Not sure if manual wands on the Plus are available in EU. Marc
Hi Marc, I have a Gaggia Academia that I purchased from you - love the machine except for the temperature of the milk froth. It's no where near 150 degrees coming from the machine. I this new Cadorna series better at milk temps? Thanks!
Hi Chuck, Thanks for the comment and question. Sorry for my delayed response - been on vaca and offline for a week. Thanks for your patronage in connection with the Accademia. It's one of my favorites and was my daily driver in the studio for a number of years. It's a very solid machine. I love it for the flow control. After that I ran a Babila for a couple of years. Essentially the same machine as the Accademia. After this video I switched out the Babila for a Cadorna Prestige. It does do a noticeably hotter milk. I believe that's in response to people wanting that. Personally I prefer my milk on the cooler side. More apparent sweetness in cooler milk. But, I do know many want it hotter. Well trained baristas don't like going hot when manually steaming due to loss of sweetness. But customer demands will influence manufacturers over time. It's my opinion hotter drink demands come from those (especially in US market) who've had many years of straight piping hot coffee and cream and then been introduced to specialty beverages like latte, cappuccino, etc. They expect those drinks to be as hot as the straight coffee they're so accustomed to. If a bit hotter is what you prefer you should have it. With your Accademia you can always get there using the manual wand. Of course you give up the push button convenience. But maybe consider something like the Cadorna if you want to keep that. Cheers! Marc
Hi Marc. Thanks for the videos. I'm looking at either the Cadorna Prestige or the Milk. Things that sway me toward the Prestige: additional milk drinks (I mostly drink coffee/ americano, but am the occasional flat white/ cortado drinker). What sways me toward the Cadorna Milk: the matte black colour scheme. I haven't seen these machines in person, only online, but I like the colour of the Milk over the Prestige. Do you have any thoughts on designs? How they hold up over time? For example scratches etc. Also, if I was to go with the Cadorna Milk, would I be able to program certain drinks so that they turn out like a Flat White or Cortado would on the Prestige? Would there be any other major differences between the two that would sway me either way? Thanks again.
Hi John, Thanks for the questions. At their heart the machines are nearly identical so espresso/coffee quality is the same. Big difference in milk systems and number of milk drinks. Attachable self rinsing carafe vs. milk reservoir with tube. Milk maintenance higher and ease of use lower on the Milk model. On the Milk model the cafe au lait could be programmed to something closer to a cortado. As to flat white the Prestige does double grind cycle for a real double espresso. On the Milk model you could make a single shot then program a cafe au lait to make a similar drink. On finishes... The Milk is typical plastic on the front while the Prestige has a more robust finish with a clear coat over the plastic so potentially more durable. In person, the clear coat type finish looks higher-end than the plain plastic of the Milk model. Either finish could scratch if abused. Other subtle difference is a metal surface on the cup warming tray above/behind the display of the Prestige while that area is plastic on the Milk. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi CS, Neither is difficult. Both have quick clean functions - it's push a button for that and then you can put away milk carafe for use later. On the Prestige, you will want to take apart the frothing components weekly (depending on use) for a manual cleaning but very easy. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Mazin, I prefer the Cadorna. Been using one as my daily driver for months now and loving it. Can't offerr opinion on the Phillips as I have not used. Marc
Marc I have been studying your videos and I am leaning on the prestige. This would be my first semi -automatic -it’s between babila and prestige and I am leaning prestige - depends what I can fit under my cabinet. I noticed the babila is a 2 boiler and prestige is one. Is this a concern ? Difference in quality ? The babila is beautiful but the prestige can do more and easier for a non barista like me ! Help !
Hi George, Thanks for watching and for your question. I've used both the Babila and Cadorna Prestige for extended periods as my daily driver in the studio. Currently using the Cadorna and loving it. IMO it's a more modern machine with far more drink options and more capable and beautiful user interface. It does things the Babila cannot like flip the milk prep order depending on the drink being made, true flat white and one of my favorites a one-touch Americano. To get those capabilities on competing machines costs a lot more. IMO the Babila is oriented more to those seeking more barista level control of the espresso brewing afforded by the flow control on the spouts. Also has the manual steam wand for weekend baristas who want to froth to latte art quality or for those who prefer a hotter (too hot IMO) milk froth. The Babila is a taller machine so do check your clearances and keep in mind beans and water go in the top of the Babila. Hope that helps! Marc
Hey Marc I'm tossing up between the cardona prestige and anima prestige. I'm mainly a cappuccino drinker and main priority is just convenience which both seems to offer. What do you think?
Hi NS, Thanks for the question. Both machines are convenient. If you will only ever drink cappuccino then the Anima Prestige is the way to go on value basis. If you might do other drinks the Cadorna has a lot of features to like: Much nicer user interface, flips milk/espresso prep order depending on the drink being made, true Americano, better control of drink parameters and excellent flat white. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Marc, if you take convince out of equation, how you compare the manual frothing with automatic? Does Manual forthing wand gives superior milk forth if someone learns the skill.
Hi PD, Thanks for the question. Yes if one has the skill they can do a superior milk froth quality with the manual wand. In fact here's a video we did last week using the manual wand of the Cadorna Barista plus frothing for and pouring latte art: ruclips.net/video/TCIJ3IGQctw/видео.html
Hi Marc, I had a DeLonghi ESAM5500 for years but has died. I tried a Delonghi Dinamica plus but I hated the two grinds and pulse delivery to get a long coffee to fill a mug. How does teh Cadorna prestige compare? Any other recomendations?
Hi Alan, Thanks for the comment! It is strange that the Dinamica does 2 grinds for a long coffee but if you make 2 espresso it only grinds once. Here's a link to my solo review of the Cadorna prestige: ruclips.net/video/cXpgP705LB4/видео.html My colleague AJ has a review comparing the Cadorna Barista Plus to the Dinamica that will likely post tomorrow. IMO from what I've seen of the Dinamica as AJ has been testing it the Cadorna Prestige blows it away. It's tough to make other recommendations as to get the feature set of the Cadorna Prestige you have to go to a Jura machine at least 1.5 to 2x the price. Marc
Hi ct, Hopefully you have made contact. I know it's frustrating to wait for help! As you might imagine we are experiencing extremely high call and email volume - well beyond normal for the season. If you have not yet been helped yet please leave a new original comment on this video with specific details and I'll do my best to help you. Thanks for your patience. Marc
Hi marc, thanks for the review. I'm considering buying the prestige or the milk models, just wanted to ask how easy or complicated is the cleaning of the milk assemblies in both machines? I guess cleaning the prestige requires disassembly of the top part there, how easy is that? Are all the parts dishwasher safe? Does the milk model also do an automatic clean of the milk tube?
Hi Kobe Gal, You are welcome! Cleaning isn't too involved. Both the Prestige and Milk models have the quick clean feature which you can activate right after making a milk drink. On the Prestige it leaves the carafe ready to go in the fridge until next time. On both machines Gaggia recommends a weekly disassembly of the frothing components and cleaning at sink with running water. It's not hard to do. Parts are not dishwasher safe. You can find complete details on milk system cleaning for the Prestige starting on page 21at this link: www.gaggia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/4219-450-06541-MAN.-GAG.-CAD.-PRESTIGE-OTC-EN-NL-PL.pdf Details for the Cadorna milk start on page 24 at this link: wll-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/Gaggia/Cadorna+Milk/Gaggia_Cadorna_Milk_Manual.pdf Hope that helps! Marc
Marc, how does the Cadorna compare to the Velasca? Do they use the same brew group? Obviously the touchscreen is a major upgrade, and the americano feature is nice, but it seems that the espresso should be the same, no? Also, how does the new Cadorna steam wand compare to the Velasca with the latte art wand? Thanks!
Hi Eric, Thanks for the questions. The Cadorna is similar to the Velasca. Built off the same frame and brew unit is nearly identical. Espresso should be similar but more and easier control of parameters thru a much better UI. Also clearance for larger cups under spouts on the Cadorna. Steam wand on the Cadorna Barista Plus is very nice. Long and manual which allows for much better frothing (some skill required) than the auto-frothing on the base Velasca model. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Ekin, Thanks for the question. Both machines use the same steam circuit for frothing milk and tend to be at the hotter end of milk froth as compared to other machines. I measured ~155F/68.3C in these machines. That's about as hot as frothed milk should be before losing apparent sweetness due to heating. Hope that helps! Marc
I love Gaggia but It's enough hassle for me cleaning a regular machine without worrying about cleaning milk containers and pull out shelves etc. I'd love to try some of these drinks though.
Can you please give a review for this new saeco Aulika Evo Focus? This machine is new and no one ever made review on this machine... If possible, can you compare saeco Aulika Evo Focus with Philips 3200 latte go or something professional with Gaggia products?
Hey marc im from qatar and planning to order 3 of ur machines but i find that your machine is offer 120v .. its ok for shipping as i have US address but may you find me a solution for 240V?
Hi MA, Unfortunately we do not have 240v machines. You would likely need to order locally or out of EU. I believe there are Gaggia dealers in Qatar. Marc
Hi mu, Links ion the video description. Also in cards as video is playing or go here: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/super-automatic-espresso-machines?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Gaggia&pf_p_price=858%3A1759 Marc
Hey Marc! My wife and I have the Gaggia Classic Pro and we keep getting soupy pucks after we used to get dry pucks when our grind was more coarse. We are using 14g in the double shot basket. Any ideas?
I just got one and I’ve been having the same problem! I’ve read before that having the portafilter not filled enough can cause that issue. 14g seems kinda low to me. However, I just used mine with 18g and had the same issue. So I don’t know!
14g seems very light for a double as I use 18g. You may be having issues with your 3 way solenoid valve . Check to see if water is dispensing out the valve when you finish your shot. Back flushing is necessary to keep your valve clean and working properly.
Hi James, First, Thanks to @Anthony for chiming in. As he mentioned it may be related to 3-way solenoid valve but smaller dose in a larger basket can cause that or combo of smaller dose and partial obstructions adding up to wetter pucks. Have you been keeping the shower screen clean in the group head? Backflushing with a product like Cafiza? Descaling (if needed on schedule? It may be a bunch of little things adding up. Check the shower screen and do regular backflushing to keep the 3-way solenoid circuit clean. If you continue to have issue please call our tech support at 585-924-7170 and they'd be happy to advise. Marc
Really undecided between the Jura ena8 and the prestige gaggia. In the UK they are pretty much the same price. What’s your thoughts Marc? Love a hot Americano and a latte not too fussed over all the drinks just Americans, latte and capachino. 👍🏻 love your vids here in the UK
Hi Steve, thanks for the comment and question. If my choice I'd go with the Prestige. Drinks are a bit hotter and I'm currently using daily for Americanos myself. It has higher capacities so you won't be filling reservoir or emptying used coffee as often. Hope that helps! Marc
I'm torn between Milk and Prestige. This is my first time buying espresso machine, and I'm not sure if Prestige worth CDN$300 more than Milk for few more drinks option and better carafe.
Hi Marc, thanks for the great reviews. I'm very close to decision & looks like the Cadorna Prestige is my pick too, but my last 2 questions are: 1. is the espresso by Cadorna would taste the same as from a semi-automatic machine like Bezera or Rocket espresso machines around $2000 as well? 2. Can Cadorna make a real microfoam like or at least close to the semi-automatic machines? and if it is close, is the foam from Cadorna can compete or at par with Accademia or Babila? 3. Extra question, since Gaggia is a Philips company, how do you compare the Cadorna vs Philips 5400 or Saeco Pico Baristo Carafe (I found the 5400 screen & AUI are the nicest so far)? Thanks in advance & hope to get the decision this weekend so I can order the espresso machine this weekend as well :-))
Hi JG, You are welcome for the reviews and thanks for the questions! 1. Semi-automatic machines are capable of producing a higher quality espresso. They can use much larger coffee doses and give the user more control of extraction variables. Getting the best from a semi-auto requires skill and knowledge. Super-autos provide consistent convenience. 2. Manual frothing can produce a finer microfoam than automatically frothed milk. Again, that requires some level of skill of the person frothing. The Cadorna's froth is relatively fine but not latte art quality fine and froth density out of the machine is not adjustable. The Acaademia and Babila both have a manual wand in addition to the automatic milk carafe. Their manual wands can froth to latte art quality. 3. I have not used the Phillips or Saeco machines so cannot offer an opinion on them. Of the 3 comapnies Gaggia is the only one which makes all their products in Italy. Hope tht helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks a lot for your quick & detailed answer, I will get the Gaggia Cadorna prestige & hope it will not disappoint us with the espresso & microfoam quality, since my son have the semi-automatic Lelit Mara X PL62X Espresso Machine & he will keep comparing his machine to ours LOL... But I want the automatic one for ease of use & less hassle especially when I'm gonna make ~10 drinks same time when we have family over :-))
Hi@@JGantoss , have you received your new Cadorna Presitge yet? If yes, then can you please share us your feedback? If you compare the drinks made by the semi-auto Lelit with the drinks made by the Gaggia, how satisfied are you with the super-automatic machine? Thank you for your reply!
@@0ptimalbeat At the end, I got the Philips 5400, it had more drinks than Cadorna & with newer look & AUI & easier to clean the milk holder & brewing system I'm very happy with the 5400 so far (have it for 3 months) with good espresso & cappuccino/latte drinks My son got the lelit and the difference between the foam is huge, where Lelit get a real creamy microfoam while no supper-automatic machine can make...none Also the espresso is even to a specialty cafe shop, while the supper-automatic is good espresso but would never reach the same level On the other hand, the semi-automatic machines need a lot of practice & preparation time, while my Philips-5400 is supper easy with 1 button click & go
@@Wholelattelovepage Great info. We are trying to replace a 13+ year old/25K cups Saeco Incanto Sirius that we bought from you. I loved that machine but am not impressed by what I see on the new Saeco.
Hi Marc, I am torn between the Cordona Prestige and the Babila ... what are your thoughts? Will the flow control make that much of a difference in taste and control. Also the Babila does espresso macchiato (the Prestige could probably do it with a custom setting). Milk temp between the two? Pros and Cons of the two? thanks!
Hi Sam, Thanks for the question. If you switch between espresso beverages and regular larger cups of coffee the flow control on the Babila does make a difference. On the flip side the Cadorna Prestige does highly programmable Americanos. At the end of the day the Americano may equal or surpass the quality of a flow controlled longer coffee made on the Babila but that depends on your personal taste preferences. I have used the Babila as my daily driver in the studio for ~2 years. I do like it. But, I love the UI of the Prestige. Also Prestige can flip the order of milk and espresso prep by beverage. For a proper espresso macchiato you want the espresso made first followed by the milk. The Prestige can do that if you start with a flat white, cortado or cafe au lait and customize as you mention. Customizing is super easy to do and you can save 4 versions of any customized drink although you cannot rename it. Water reservoir is slightly larger in the the Prestige as is the milk carafe. The Babila has a quick automatic steam cleaning of the carafe after doing a milk drink. Just push the milk spout over and steam is sent through the handle and into the drip tray. The Prestige does a quick clean as well but it a short burst of hot water through frothing components in the carafe. IMO The Cadorna Prestige has a lot to offer. The UI and flipped milk prep are big features. Hope that helps!
Marc
Thanks Marc!
I HAVE THE GAGGIA ACADEMIA. I bought it in 2012, and it's still going strong. I've done a few repairs to it over the years, but it's been a great machine. And we use the heck out of it. Probably the best $1600 I ever spent. If these machines are as durable as that machine, they'll have a winner.
Hi Marcel, Thanks for sharing your long-term experience with the Gaggia Accademia. It's a fine machine and was my daily driver for a few years. Guessing you've made 1000's maybe tens of thousands of drinks in 8 years of use. With a nearly identical internal brewing I'm confident the Cadorna machines will be just a s durable! And the UI is a huge upgrade for Gaggia.
Marc
I LOVE YOU MARC!!! 😍😍😍 Thanks for making such high-quality educational videos.
Hi Alexandra, My pleasure and thank you for taking a moment to leaver a comment - it's appreciated a whole latte!
Marc
Hi ! I am italian, the Gaggia are italian machines, and I had to see such a fantastic presentation from an American man!
😉👏
excellent presentation, especially because it clearly explains what are the differences between the various machines, and what you buy by paying more. At the end of the day, for my needs I will buy the Cadorna Prestige!
Hi mH, Thanks for the kind comment.
Marc
I’m trying to decide between a Gaggia Cadorno Milk and a Breville Impress Touch. Which would you recommend? I think the Gaggia makes better espresso but that’s just me.
Hi jm, The Gaggia Cadorna is much simpler to use as it's an automatic bean to cup machine. Press a button and the machine does it all. The Breville is technically considered a semi-automatic machine. You grind into a portafilter and then move it to the group and brew. More user involvement with that one. If you know what you're doing the Breville is capable of producing better espresso - but it takes some knowledge and effort to get there and produce consistent results.
@@Wholelattelovepage How reliable are these automatic machines?
@@joanmorris3057 Very reliable so long as you do the basic maintenance. Feed good water, proper beans - avoid beans that show more than 25% coverage with surface oils, descale when machine prompts and it's not unreasonable to expect >15,000 brew cycles without issues.
@@Wholelattelovepage one more question. Can this machine make one single espresso at a time? How about one double? My old model could and I liked that feature. I have only seen two doubles demonstrated at a time.
At 0:50, what is the glass you are making the cortado in?
Hey Scott, It's a notNeutral Ciclone Tumbler. Currently out of stock ☹️
@@Wholelattelovepage - Thanks for sharing!! Any idea if it's discontinued by notNeutral, or just waiting for more stock?
@@scottwetzel8146 Waiting for more
Is milk foam amount and density programmable? On lots of drinks hard to tell difference in frothing. Tia. Great reviews.
I'm looking to buy a super automatic machine. Looking at the drinks available between the milk & prestige I see it's mainly the XL options for macchiato & cappuccino you get with the prestige. Are these just larger sizes of the regular drinks? I usually drink from a large travel mug, I think about 20 oz
Hi ml5, Yes, they are larger sizes of the regular drinks. The XL options max out at about 14oz using ~3oz of coffee and 11oz of frothed milk. Depending on your preferences, you could go with the XL versions or make 2 regular sizes into a single cup.
Hope that helps!
Marc
In regards to a former question, I asked about cleaning and I am more concerned about the descaling cleaning as I have not gotten a display
from the machine to perform this yet and I have had this for about 18 months. The manual says that it will signal when this is to be done so should I wait?
Hi Stacey, So long as you initially setup the machine properly by testing your water with the included water hardness test strip and entering the test results in the machine it should alert you to descale when it's needed. If you have very soft water and also use a water filter in the reservoir it's possible it may never need descaling or be in the 1000's of brew cycles before it's needed.
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the info😇
I have a question in regard to the maintenance and cleaning of the Prestige Milk. Is there any issue for using hot water and the spray option when doing the weekly rinsing of the brew unit?
Just not sure if the hot water and extra pressure of using the spray would cause any issues with that part of the maintenance.
Also, I have had my Prestige for over a year and have not had the unit display any cleaning as of yet. Should I be worried about this or just go ahead and initiate some cleaning anyway??
Hi Stacey, I would avoid using the spray option and use room temperature water to rinse the brew unit when out of the machine. If you're too aggressive with spray and water temperature you may remove lubrication from the moving parts of the brew unit.
I would go ahead and do the cleaning monthly using the gaggia cleaning tablets as described on page 28 of the manual. Here's a link to the manual if needed: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/1500002384522/Cadorna-Prestige-Manual.pdf
And the Coffee Clean tablets: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-coffee-clean-tablets-cfae181c-1f2a-4170-85fc-1f00acf75f21
Hope that helps!
Marc
Hi Marc. Great review. We have had a Valesca for several years and a Syncrony Logic before that. Both have worked great. The Valesca has been bullet-proof. We always use the filter and descale as required using the Gaggia descaling solution. Lately the incidents of losing prime and water leaks have become more frequent. It always recovers, but fooling with the machine takes time. Is the Cordona the replacement for the Valesca? Seems like it and some parts are even recognizable. Is six or seven years about when we should look for a replacement? Thanks.
Hey John, Thanks for the kind comment, question and report on your Syncrony Logic and Velasca! Yes, the Cadorna is an improved version of the Velasca with nicer UI and more drink options. 6-7 years could be a reasonable replacement time frame but depends more on number of drinks made, how diligent you're been with maintenance and how willing you are to fool with the machine. If you're north of 15,000 brew cycles I'm inclined to call it a good run and go for an upgrade. But even at that use level most issues are DIY repairable if you're handy and willing. If you got the machine from us our Tech Support can help with that. If you choose to replace the Cadorna is a good choice. Not sure what your budget is or desired features but I'll mention the updated Gaggia Accademia. It's Gaggia's top machine. Makes the best espresso and Americanos I've ever had from an automatic bean to cup. Also has a whole new range of milk drinks available - it can even vary milk froth density on a per drink basis. Check it out here: ruclips.net/video/jZWS38_Jge4/видео.html
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for your response, Marc. Yes, we bought all of our machines from you folks over about 15 years, and I regularly order the descaling solution and filters. Is there a way to tell how many brewing cycles have been run? The real reason to upgrade is the putzy factor. My wife works as a provider at Mayo Clinic and needs a good cup of coffee (or two or three) before she heads to the hospital at 5:30 a.m. I don't want her to have to fool with the Velasca when she is trying to get out the door, nor do I want her getting me up to fix it. I also don't want her to deal with the occasional overnight water leak all over the counter and floor. Her coffee experience as she leaves for a very stressful and long (12 hour) workday should be uneventful and enjoyable.
What about the Magenta? We really never do milk drinks. Only really good coffee. I would do Americanos if we had a machine that would do them (Velasca will do them, but manually as I understand it). Magenta has a lower price, holds more water, and has a larger dreg box and drip tray (than the Velasca). Only concern I have is refilling the water and bean hopper. The Velasca sits under the cabinets on our counter top. Currently has about 8" of clearance. We filled the Syncrony Logic by removing and replacing the tank. Maybe that would work on the Magenta? And, how would the Velasca do in our RV? It would have to be emptied of water and secured safely, but are they up to the vibration and movement as we go down the road?
I am researching at this point, but I do know we love our super automatic Gaggias and have come to rely on them every day. If it makes sense to upgrade, we will do it. I will check out the Accademia, but they are pricey. Kind of like Escalade vs. Silverado. I have owned three Escalades and they are terrific. Now I drive a Silverado because I just don't need the bling and the pickup is more useful and just as comfortable (and costs less.)
Comparing the Barista Plus to the Prestige, would you get better froth by manually steaming milk? How well does the Prestige's automatic milk froth compare?
Hi DV, Thanks for the question. If one has the skill (or the patience to practice/learn) the Barista Plus with manual frothing gives one the capability of producing latte art quality froth. Froth from the Prestige and Milk models is very good. Two keys on those models are convenience of one-touch barista quality milk drinks with no skill/effort required and flipping the order of espresso and milk prep to best suit the drink being made.
Marc
Just bought this Gaggia Cardona Barista Plus from "Whole Latte Love" to replace my Jura ENA 4. Can you explain why, after it rinses itself and powers down, the light on the ON/OFF button flashes intermittently every 5 seconds for no reason that I have been able to find? Did I miss an explanation in the Manual? Don't want to miss something maybe I should be doing.
Hi patti, Thanks for the question and your patronage. The flashing on/off button is normal operation when the machine is powered off. Reason is so user know which button to press to turn the machine on.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Have had this Gaggia Cardona Barista Plus for many months now, I can say I really like this machine. Easier to clean than my Jura by FAR, and makes a great drink, and excellent milk frothing. The "Favorites" button is a real time saver too. That said, I still hate the never ending flashing ON/OFF button, endlessly distracting for no reason at this point. Once I've used it I KNOW where the darn ON/OFF button is! :P Maybe if it's in a big office it would need this kind of endless reminder. At home it's just a constant unnecessary distraction drawing my eye to it, especially at night. Should be a setting to turn it off. Makes me want to unplug it or put black tape over it.
Hi Marc, I have the Cadorna plus and love it
Hi Peter, Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I'm with you, there's a whole latte to love!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage this is my 2nd ever super auto espresso machine, my 1st was a Saeco Intela Evo, it died after about 4 years and making about 10k coffees
Hi Marc, Two more question on the Prestige vs Babila. The Cordona Prestige has a single boiler vs double boiler on the Babila? 1. How does that affect performance and taste 2. Are milk and coffee temp outputs the same or is one higher than the other. Pro and Cons. Thanks!
I am curious about this too. I am trying to choose between the Prestige and the Babila as I replace a Saeco Incanto Sirius that has pulled 25K+ drinks for us in the past 14 years. The double boiler on the Babila seems like an advantage, but perhaps it doesn't really matter.
Great question as I’m on the fence as well between the 2 machine. I never considered the Prestige until I chatted with support and directed me to Prestige.
Hi Marc, I am ready to order my first espresso machine and I am torn between the Cadorna Milk and Magenta Prestige. The primary difference for me is creating separate user profiles in the Cadorna and getting the built in carafe on the Magenta Prestige. My wife and I have wildly different preferences for coffee taste. I am aware I can have both with the Cadorna Prestige; however, I would like to stay within a budget of around $1,000. Any feedback would be appreciated.
I have the same exact question. Did you ever buy one and which one? Are you happy with your choice?
Hi Marc. Thank you for your honest reviews. I'm considering the Cadorna barista plus. Can you tell me how much more coffee is in a 5 bean setting as opposed to a 1 bean setting?
Hi B S-l, You're welcome! The ground coffee dosing range is 6.5 - 11.5g. So 1 bean strength gets you ~6.5g. 5 beans gets you ~11.5g.
Marc
Hi, love your videos! I'm currently trying to decide between the Gaggia Velasca prestige and the Cadorna Prestige. I'm primarily an espresso drinker although my wife loves her flat whites and cappuccinos. Having a hard time trying to figure out which one would be best for us. The Velasca has the pre extraction soaking options but as far as I can see, the Cadorna doesn't. If you had to choose, which would you go for? Many thanks.
Hi j, Thanks for the kind comment and question. I've been using the Cadorna as the daily driver in the studio for more than a year now and I have access to any Gaggia machine. Just checked the counter and I'm at about 2,500 total drinks on the machine. ~600 of those were straight espresso. Apprently my favorite is the Americano at 1,077T on the the Cadorna does pre-wet the coffee prior to full pressure brewing - it's always on. Just not controllable as it is on the Velasca. If it's not obvious, I have chosen the Cadorna. It's a more up to date design with much nicer UI, more drink options and deeper control of drink parameters. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc, thanks for your reply and helping make my mind up! Cheers
Hi Marc. Correction. Additional research. the Gaggia cordona prestige and the Seaco Xelsis are identical in there interface,controls,customization. Both of these machines are excellent that will rival any of the jura machine for less money
Thanks for the info!
Looks like the barista plus makes much better espresso compared the thinner espresso I get from my Brera. Is this true?
Hi s, thanks for the question. The Cadorna Barista Plus has more precise control of grind settings. 10 settings on the Cadorna vs. 5 on the Brera. This may help better dial in the grind to match the coffee used. The brewing unit is essentially the same in both machines. Perhaps the difference in look comes down to the beans used.
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks. Yes I suspect that too. I buy a moka blend from Sweet Marias and roast on an Ambex YM2. Great taste but not much crema and don't use the built in grinder anymore because of all the false bean out errors even when it's clean. My Baratza Solis has very old burrs and since they are not available anymore I'm looking at buying the Vario W+. So could be my grinder too.
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks. I do see that the Cadorna is 1400 watts and not 1200 watts like my Brera which might lead to a hotter water temp? I also see a refurbished version of this on your site for $699. Anyway to tell either what it looks like (like new?) or what was wrong with it or is it just a returned open box special? Thanks
@@sdcoffeeroaster More recent models tend to produce hotter drinks than those that have been out for awhile. Also older machines tend to lose a little heat if they have unresolved internal scale deposits. Refurb machines tend to be look like new buyers remorse open box returns. They may have some scratches or evidence of light use. Some may even be machines I've used in videos. No way to photos or exact history of refurb machines but they are all tested. Here's an article with more detail on refurbs, policy, warranty, etc: www.wholelattelove.com/blogs/articles/used-espresso-machines
Just received the Cadorna Milk for Christmas and noticed that when I turned it off, the on/off button flashes about every 20-30 seconds.
I never heard any reference to that in any video or in the manual. Is that normal?
Hi Stacey, Nice Christmas present. Yes the on/off flashing when machine is powered off to standby mode is normal.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage That is good to know. Thanks for the quick reply, Marc.
Could you look at my prior questions I sent about 4 weeks ago when you get a chance.
Thanks again
Hi Marc. The seaco xelsis gives the user to choose the have milk done first OR last in addition to temp, amount, etc in addition to following the coffee receipe intended as the gaggia cardona.
Hi GB, Thanks for the info. Does it do true Americanos?
@@Wholelattelovepage That is a good question. I will research your question and get an answer for you.
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc. After researching your question on whether the Seaco Xelsis can do a true americano and the answer is yes. Also, with the xelsis , you can adjust the amount of coffee and milk by ml. Real numbers. Rather than low, medium, high.
On paper the Seaco Xelsis and Gaggia Cordona Prestige have some of the best features regarding interface, ease of use, and options that rival Jura top tier machines(S, and Z series) for a LOT LESS money
I have a question. It is normal if the water tank is stuck in the machine and It is impossible to remove it without splashing water everywhere? I'm not the first who has had the same experience.
I'm having a hard time getting good flat whites out of this. I played with several settings but I'm no coffee expert so I can't figure out what to play with (though I've certainly tried many different things so far). What would you suggest for a flat white (I add a bit of maple syrup for some sweetness), I'm using Lavazza Super Crema for now. thanks! I had it at double shot 1.18oz espresso, grind setting 2, bean strength 5. I think it might be too bitter I have a lingering after taste
Hi JC, Let me see if I can help. This may sound counter intuitive but I would increase the espresso volume to over 2oz. and drop the strength. At a strength setting of 5 you are making the 1.18oz of espresso from ~23g of ground coffee! That's essentially a triple shot. Try a 3 for strength and increasing the espresso volume. I'd stick with your current grind setting. Hope that helps!
Marc
I just made my first cappuccino on the Cadorna milk. I did a quick clean, instructions say to put the tube in water but the function doesn't suck up water to quick clean the tube. What's the point of putting the tube in water if it won't rinse it out? I opted to use the milk froth function to rinse out the tube. Aside from this I'm loving my Cadorna milk
Hi Elena, I know we've talked before when you were deciding on a machine. So thanks for coming back with the feedback! Happy to hear you are loving your machine. I think the manual may be a bit vague. Using the Quick Clean the machine puts hot water through the frothing component. If you do the Deep Clean it will suck up water through the tube. For the deep clean you can/should use a milk system cleaner added to water in carafe like Urnex Rinza: www.wholelattelove.com/products/urnex-rinza-milk-frother-cleaner
Marc
Thank you Marc. I found using the milk froth option is a good quick solution to eliminate water from the tube before Im ready to do a deep cleaning
How do the Milk and Prestige handle cleaning the milk pathway?
Hi sb, Thanks for the question. It's the same on both the Milk and Prestige models. Both have Quick Clean and Deep Clean functions. After making a milk drink you are given the option on-screen to run the Quick Clean function. You can ignore that and screen returns to normal if you'll be making another milk drink. The Quick Clean only take a few seconds to run and rinses the frothing components with hot water. On the Milk model you are advised to put the milk pickup tube in a glass of water for the Quick Clean. On the Prestige models that is not required. For the Deep Clean remove the carafe or milk supply, rinse, add water and small amount of milk cleaning solution. Re-attach the carafe or milk supply press a button and the cycle runs automatically. Detergent, water and steam are run through the frothing components. for a minute or so. Then remove milk supply, rinse and fill with clean water. Re-attach, press button and water and steam rinse the frothing components for a minute or so. Whole process takes under 5 minutes and requires your attention 2 times. Hope that helps!
Marc
Question: How hard is it to change beans?? Looks like you toss it in a bin but can I change the bean to a decaf bean at night so I’m not up all night? Haha. I didn’t know if the bean bin was something you can take out or do you have to somehow tilt the machine to remove them?! Thx!!!
Hi CHPV, Thanks for the question. Sorry for the delayed response - I've been on vaca and offline for a week. These types of machines do not have removable bean hoppers for switching out the beans. They do have bypass dosers which can use pre-ground coffee. And making the occasional decaf is te most popular use of that capability.
Marc
Hi Marc, I love your reviews and insights. Trying to determine the best machine for me. I just bought the academia, it’s great. However in reviewing the prestige cordona I’m wondering if it’s hotter? The custom profiles and more drinks (including Americano) are swaying me. Also I can see customizing by ounces would be easy for our cups. Hot hot coffee is super important to us. Love your thoughts, thx.
Hi Mike, Thanks for the kind comment. As I mentioned the Cadorna, which I'm currently using daily for delicious Americanos is one of the hotter machines I've used. Depending on your local variables you can expect temps of ~185-192F measured directly out of the spouts. In cup temps will be lower. Machines brew internally at ~200F at max temp setting and there's some cooling as it makes its way from brewing to the spouts and more cooling in the cup. One tactic for hotter coffee is to pre-heat your cup before brewing. For those who want it super hot 20-30 seconds in the microwave after brewing will get you there.
Marc
Can the Prestige carafes be bought separately? Would be nice to have a different carafe for each milk we use.
Yes, we're working on getting those on the site but in the meantime you can call and order one - 585-924--7170 (option 1), just tell the rep you're looking for SKU GA-421945006991
AJ
So is there a way to adjust any of the preset drinks on the milk so that I can make a flat white?
I guess I would like to know if I can create any additional drinks via adjustments of the preset ones.
Another question while I am waiting for an answer to my prior question.
In some of the videos on the Gaggia Cardona series, I have heard that it could
make near a triple shot based on how the drink is setup.
Can someone explain if that is really possible and what would it take
to do that.
Just brew in separate sequence.
Hi Marc, Thank you for the informative video of the Gaggia Cadorna Super Automatic Espresso Machines. I am wondering if these machines follow the "golden rule" of espresso extraction (once grind size for the particular bean is dialled in): 1:2/2.5 extraction and extraction time of 20-30 seconds?
Hi Darryl, You are welcome and thanks for the comment and question. Due to their design they do not follow golden rule extraction timing. Max coffee dose in the Cadorna is ~11g. If making a double espresso on the Cadorna 2 grind cycles happen automatically. Total the times for the 2 extractions and it'll be in the ball park of golden rule.
Marc
Hello, my Accademia died after 4 wonderful years, non-repairable. One of the features I loved was it's ability to change milk density depending on drink recipe or user setting. Does the Cardona Prestige also have this feature?
Hi Yk, Sorry to hear your Accademia failed. Sounds like you really enjoyed it! The programmable automatic control of milk density in 3 levels is a key and very rare feature. Sorry the Cadorna Prestige does not have that feature. Still available on the Accademia. A few more expensive Jura machines can manually adjust between steamed and frothed milk. A couple of really high-end $$ Jura machines like the Giga 6 do it automatically with programmable amounts of each type in a single drink.
Marc
how's the quality though? i mean in comparison to a gaggia classic with a decent grinder.
I guess Gaggia classic 2019 is better. Maybe temperature stability these are better, but the way in which the coffee is extracted, the tamping, the sperimentato you can do with the classic and classic pro, IMHO there is no way this machines can do better. Of course. whoever buy these machines is not interested in dialing in though.
Hi BC, These machines produce consistent quality with no skill required. Convenient barista quality drinks very quickly. Semi-automatic machines are capable of better quality but producing it requires some skill, effort and knowledge on the part of the user. As @Leonida mentioned purchasers of this type of machine are likely not interested in dialing in a grind. They want it easy and fast.
Marc
Hi LM, Thanks for your response! Super autos about consistency while semi-autos are more for passionate hobbyists.
Marc
great review....many thanks
How would you compare the quality of the espresso shots that the Prestige produces to what I can produce with my Gaggia Classic with all the upgrades WLL has recommended? I’m the only one in the house that uses the Classic and a Prestige would get much more use. I was looking at the Profitec 600 machine but this might be a better option for our house. I just don’t want to sacrifice too much quality for convenience.
Hi MG, Thanks for the question. The Classic is capable of better espresso than a super-auto. But as you're likely aware that takes some knowledge, skill and effort. I have a similar situation in my home. I'm the only one who uses a semi-auto on a regular basis. Of course others drink and enjoy what I make for them. If I'm not around the wife and college age daughter only use the super-auto. I use a Cadorna Prestige as well for a couple Americanos every morning and the wife does straight coffee while the kid likes the lattes. There is a sacrifice of potential quality. But the consistency and convenience go way up!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Do you need to adjust the grind for different brews like an americano vs a long coffee?
hello, do you need to adjust the grinding with grinding machine?
greetings from the Netherlands👍🏻
Hi H B, Thanks for the question and greeting from the US! If adjusting your grind finer then the grinder should be running or the machine should be totally free of any beans. If adjusting to a coarser setting then the grinder does not need to be grinding.
Marc
Hi Marc, thanks for a great comparison! How does the Cadorna Prestige compare to the Delonghi Dinamica? I'm especially curious about any differences in drink quality. Thanks!
Hi Brad you are welcome and thanks for the kind comment and question. Honestly not even a fair comparison. The Cadorna Prestige blows away the Dinamica in every respect. Not too surprising I suppose as it costs more. The Prestige has a much better user interface, does true Americanos, cafe quality flat white made with up to 23g dose of coffee using 2 automatic grind cycles, quick and easy drink customization, 4 user profiles with each users own custom drinks, much easier milk drinks using the attachable carafe.
Marc
How many oz of milk do the carafes hold?
Hey g, Thanks for the question. The Cadorna milk carafe has a capacity of 24oz.
Marc
I have Gaggia Platinum Vision, it was nice but I suffered too much form Cockroaches, they love these beans to cup machines, i have been forced to de-assemble it to its smaller part to clean and sanitise it, once tested again, i left it until full dry and kept it at the store forever, never used it again, and shifted to manual machine, i am using Breville infuser and Breville Smart grinder pro.
Will this Cadorna series still have the Cockroaches invasion problem like all other “beans to cup” machines?
Hi KAA, Well... I know the roaches are attracted to warm places and maybe the electronics. If me I'd do my best get rid of the roaches. If bad infestation they're likely to go after similar devices so can't say they'd be less likely to invade a Cadorna.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage they only invaded the coffee machine, once cleaned and kept it dry, they disappeared for good. I wish that automatic coffee machines designers re-consider its current design that allows for this disaster.
Practically, the current standard design has lots of wet/damp areas full of coffee and it is full of air vents inviting them.
Hey Marc, I was wondering how these compare to the Jura machines?
Hi j, Thanks for the question. The Cadorna machines IMO compare very favorably to Jura machines. Generally get similar features at a much lower price. Color displays, true Americanos and flipping of milk prep order costs more on Jura machines.
Marc
Hi Marc, quick question regarding the Milk vs the Prestige versions: - If not using for a milk drink, they are basically the same?
Both machines normally work without attaching the milk tube / the carafe?
Can you tell if it's possible to do froth milk with non-dairy milks? (ie almond, oat, coconut, rice, etc)
Thank you
Where does the hot water come out from on the milk edition? Does the little carafe come with the Cardona milk? Last question, how could I make with the "milk" a espresso macchiato?
Hey Elena, Thanks for the questions. The frothing device removes from the machine and hot water comes out of the pipe it attaches to. The little carafe does come with the machine. To make an espresso macchiato program a cappuccino to deliver a small amount of milk. Hope that helps!
Marc
Does the Cardona prestige have a function to brew two cups of coffee in a row, i.e. for a 14 or 16oz coffee?
Hi Liz, Thanks for the question. Yes you can select 2 coffees and the macvhine will grind and brew twice so it doubles the volume set for a single coffee beverage. That works for any coffee only beverage except the Americano.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you and thanks for all your amazing content! Your videos have been super helpful in our quest for a new machine. ☕️☕️☕️
Hi sir..
I am torn between milk and prestige ...what do u suggest sir...please
Hi BB, Thanks for the question. If seeking value go with the Cadorna Milk. For added convenience the Cadorna Prestige with removable carafe. Beyond the milk system and the gray front of the Prestige the machines are nearly identical in function and capabilities. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NDU2ODM5ODAzNzA0Niw0NTY4MzkxOTA5NDMw
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage sir thank you so much ......sir I am from India so pricing wise I am not saving much even if I buy a Cardona prestige..that's the main reason y I am confused ...so if in terms of quality of coffee specially milk based...which of the two should I go with.....I m.sorry to trouble u with my questions...but I am unable to decide ....
Hi Marc, another question from me here in the UK! Have you had chance to try the new Magenta range of Gaggia machines? In the UK we don’t get the Barista Plus, only a Plus model which has a smaller Panarello instead of the Professional Steam arm. I’m therefore looking at the Magenta Plus which strangely does come with the steam arm but no programmeable drinks, no physical buttons and a slightly smaller machine overall.
Thanks!
Hi Andrew, We have the Gaggia Magento machines in house now and should have videos coming out in the next couple of weeks. They are similar to the Gaggia Cadorna line. A couple of differences. The Magento uses a color touch screen while the Cadornas have a color screen with physical buttons. Also, Cadorna can save 4 versions of each drink. it's just 1 one the Magentos.
Marc
hi Mark, thanks for the review. Whats the life-time of these machines . Do they last upto 7-8 years?
Hi s, you are welcome for the video. With proper routine maintenance we regularly get reports of 10,000+ brew cycles without problems on these types of machines. Most important is to use good water quality (use the filter) and descale the machine when it alerts to do so.
Marc
I'd love to see another grinder video. I'm lost in the decision of flat or conical burrs. How does the Ceado e37s and the e37k differ besides burr shape? And why does the conical grinders not come in a titanium burr version? So many questions...
Hi Heron, If using for espresso grinding go with flat burrs. There has been some debate in past re. flat vs. conical. But a huge majority of high-end espresso grinders are using flat burrs. Even at the lower-end of grinding manufacturers who were using conical have switched to flat.
Marc
Is there a list available for liquid volume ranges (in oz or ml) per each drink for the Codorna Prestige? Do the espresso/milk drinks have 1-4 oz range for the espresso itself? And what are the milk ranges for those drinks? From the video, it looks like the Americano ranges are 1-4oz for espresso with 1-4oz water, is that correct? And what are the Coffee (cup of Joe) drink ranges? Thanks for your help, and great video!
Hi Derek, Thanks for the question. As part of my evaluation of the machines I did record all the liquid volume ranges for drinks on all models.
Some of the Prestige liquid ranges:
Espresso: 1 - 2.7oz
Coffee: 3.04 - 8.11oz
Espresso Lungo: 2 - 3.7oz
Americano: Coffee .67 - 2.36oz Water 2.2 - 5.41oz
Cafe Cortado: Coffee .67 - 2.36 Milk .33 - 2.02oz
Flat White: Coffee (2 grind cycles) 2.02 - 3.38oz Milk 1.69 - 3.38oz
Latte Macchiato: Milk 4.47 - 11.49 Coffee 1.35 - 3.04
Cappuccino XL: Milk 4.04- 10.02 Coffee 1.69 - 3.38oz
Hope that helps!
Marc
Hi Marc, can the Cordona milk and the prestige froth milk for latte art ?
Hi AN, Thanks for the question. Not really. Their froth tends to be just a bit airier than the super fine froth created by manual frothing. I've pulled it off with automatically frothed milk by pouring the froth between a couple of pitchers before pouring into espresso. That helps break up the bubbles a bit and creates a uniform texture.
Marc
Hi again Guru Marc!
Does the cordona milk have a heat tray on top like the Prestige?
/Regards
Hi SdS, Thanks for the question. The Cadorna Prestige has a metal cup tray while the Cadorna Milk's is plastic. It''s a stretch to call either a "heat tray". They do pick up passive heat from the internals of the machine but do not have elements which actively heat the area.
Marc
Aaah thank you for sorting that out..theres a vid out there on another channel who made that statement lol he should prob go sell cars instead :P
Thx again keep it up! Cheers.
I'm torn between the Barista and the Prestige models. I currently have a Breville barista that just died and I need to replace it. I make a Latte every morning and I love the milk to be super hot. I don't mind steaming the milk and I'm really good at it, but the convenience of the Prestige is very attractive. Does the Prestige save that much time to warrant the extra expense?
Hi Mary Ann, Thanks for the question. If you like the milk super hot and don't mind frothing I suggest going with the Cadorna Barista Pro. Machines that do the milk automatically tend to go to milks sweet temp at ~140F. If you'd like a better idea of the process of frothing on the Barista model we did this video last Friday in which we make 4 lattes on the machine: ruclips.net/video/Q3P4HjGgqCM/видео.html
Marc
Hi Marc thanks for the great review! I am torn between the Anima Prestige and the Cadorna Prestige. The two seem very similar in terms of specs and I'm not sure if the Cadorna is worth the extra investment. And within the Cadorna line, I love the practicality of the Milk vs the prestige (you can use your own milk carton and put it back in the fridge, but was disappointed that it has less features than the Prestige. Thoughts, recommendations?
Hi Marc, I'm torn between the Jura E8 Touch and Cadorna Prestige. How would you rate the difference in espresso quality, milk frothing quality plus temperature and very important as well: the daily/weekly/monthly cleaning effort required of the milk system.
Hi MB, Here's a link to side by side spec comparison with current pricing for those machines: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MjMxMDgwMjIxMDg3MCw0NTY4Mzk4MDM3MDQ2
My thoughts...
Espresso quality: I've used both machines a lot. Currently using a Cadorna Prestige as daily driver here in the studio and I've had a Jura Micro 90 as daily driver at home for more than a year. The Micro 90 uses essentially the same brew system as the E8. I have no personal preference on the espresso quality. I've used the same beans in both machines and get similar results.
Milk frothing: Temperatures of milk are similar on both. Depending on your source milk temp out of the spout you'll get temps of 125F/52C - 140/60C. That's what all super-autos are tuned to produce as milk is at its sweetest at those temps. One thing The E8 has is the ability to change from steamed milk with little to no air added to a frothed milk with air added using the lever on the frothing device.
Milk system cleaning: Here's a link to the E8 manual describing milk system cleaning: us.jura.com/-/media/global/pdf/manuals-na/Home/E8/E8-v18/download_manual_e8_e80_na.pdf?la=en&hash=5372676AF568FC3D78474ECE87DE3AB9C2F49235&em_force=true
Link to Cadorna Prestige manual describing milk system cleaning: www.gaggia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/4219-450-06541-MAN.-GAG.-CAD.-PRESTIGE-OTC-EN-NL-PL.pdf
Hope that helps!
Marc
Just been looking at the cardona plus as an upgrade to my sage barista express. The cardona plus model you show has a metal steam wand yet when I search locally ( I'm in the UK) all I find are models with a nasty looking short plastic wand, is the cardona plus model you show a newer model????
Great videos keep up the hard work
Hi lee, Thanks for the kind comment and question. The first pre-production Cadorna Plus I saw a year or so ago did have the auto-frothing wand. Way back when we requested Gaggia make Plus models for North America with a manual wand. Not sure if manual wands on the Plus are available in EU.
Marc
Thanks for getting back to me
Hi Marc, I have a Gaggia Academia that I purchased from you - love the machine except for the temperature of the milk froth. It's no where near 150 degrees coming from the machine. I this new Cadorna series better at milk temps? Thanks!
Hi Chuck, Thanks for the comment and question. Sorry for my delayed response - been on vaca and offline for a week. Thanks for your patronage in connection with the Accademia. It's one of my favorites and was my daily driver in the studio for a number of years. It's a very solid machine. I love it for the flow control. After that I ran a Babila for a couple of years. Essentially the same machine as the Accademia. After this video I switched out the Babila for a Cadorna Prestige. It does do a noticeably hotter milk. I believe that's in response to people wanting that. Personally I prefer my milk on the cooler side. More apparent sweetness in cooler milk. But, I do know many want it hotter. Well trained baristas don't like going hot when manually steaming due to loss of sweetness. But customer demands will influence manufacturers over time. It's my opinion hotter drink demands come from those (especially in US market) who've had many years of straight piping hot coffee and cream and then been introduced to specialty beverages like latte, cappuccino, etc. They expect those drinks to be as hot as the straight coffee they're so accustomed to. If a bit hotter is what you prefer you should have it. With your Accademia you can always get there using the manual wand. Of course you give up the push button convenience. But maybe consider something like the Cadorna if you want to keep that. Cheers!
Marc
Hi Marc. Thanks for the videos. I'm looking at either the Cadorna Prestige or the Milk. Things that sway me toward the Prestige: additional milk drinks (I mostly drink coffee/ americano, but am the occasional flat white/ cortado drinker). What sways me toward the Cadorna Milk: the matte black colour scheme. I haven't seen these machines in person, only online, but I like the colour of the Milk over the Prestige. Do you have any thoughts on designs? How they hold up over time? For example scratches etc. Also, if I was to go with the Cadorna Milk, would I be able to program certain drinks so that they turn out like a Flat White or Cortado would on the Prestige? Would there be any other major differences between the two that would sway me either way? Thanks again.
Hi John, Thanks for the questions. At their heart the machines are nearly identical so espresso/coffee quality is the same. Big difference in milk systems and number of milk drinks. Attachable self rinsing carafe vs. milk reservoir with tube. Milk maintenance higher and ease of use lower on the Milk model. On the Milk model the cafe au lait could be programmed to something closer to a cortado. As to flat white the Prestige does double grind cycle for a real double espresso. On the Milk model you could make a single shot then program a cafe au lait to make a similar drink. On finishes... The Milk is typical plastic on the front while the Prestige has a more robust finish with a clear coat over the plastic so potentially more durable. In person, the clear coat type finish looks higher-end than the plain plastic of the Milk model. Either finish could scratch if abused. Other subtle difference is a metal surface on the cup warming tray above/behind the display of the Prestige while that area is plastic on the Milk. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you so much for the quick and detailed reply Marc. Massive help. Cheers.
How easy/difficult is the milk and the prestige to clean?
Hi CS, Neither is difficult. Both have quick clean functions - it's push a button for that and then you can put away milk carafe for use later. On the Prestige, you will want to take apart the frothing components weekly (depending on use) for a manual cleaning but very easy.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Hi Marc, Do you prefer Cadorna Milk than Philips 5000 Series? I'm looking for good quality of coffee extraction
Hi Mazin, I prefer the Cadorna. Been using one as my daily driver for months now and loving it. Can't offerr opinion on the Phillips as I have not used.
Marc
Marc
I have been studying your videos and I am leaning on the prestige. This would be my first semi -automatic -it’s between babila and prestige and I am leaning prestige - depends what I can fit under my cabinet. I noticed the babila is a 2 boiler and prestige is one.
Is this a concern ? Difference in quality ? The babila is beautiful but the prestige can do more and easier for a non barista like me ! Help !
Hi George, Thanks for watching and for your question. I've used both the Babila and Cadorna Prestige for extended periods as my daily driver in the studio. Currently using the Cadorna and loving it. IMO it's a more modern machine with far more drink options and more capable and beautiful user interface. It does things the Babila cannot like flip the milk prep order depending on the drink being made, true flat white and one of my favorites a one-touch Americano. To get those capabilities on competing machines costs a lot more. IMO the Babila is oriented more to those seeking more barista level control of the espresso brewing afforded by the flow control on the spouts. Also has the manual steam wand for weekend baristas who want to froth to latte art quality or for those who prefer a hotter (too hot IMO) milk froth. The Babila is a taller machine so do check your clearances and keep in mind beans and water go in the top of the Babila. Hope that helps!
Marc
Hey Marc
I'm tossing up between the cardona prestige and anima prestige.
I'm mainly a cappuccino drinker and main priority is just convenience which both seems to offer. What do you think?
Hi NS, Thanks for the question. Both machines are convenient. If you will only ever drink cappuccino then the Anima Prestige is the way to go on value basis. If you might do other drinks the Cadorna has a lot of features to like: Much nicer user interface, flips milk/espresso prep order depending on the drink being made, true Americano, better control of drink parameters and excellent flat white. Hope that helps!
Marc
Hi Marc, if you take convince out of equation, how you compare the manual frothing with automatic? Does Manual forthing wand gives superior milk forth if someone learns the skill.
Hi PD, Thanks for the question. Yes if one has the skill they can do a superior milk froth quality with the manual wand. In fact here's a video we did last week using the manual wand of the Cadorna Barista plus frothing for and pouring latte art: ruclips.net/video/TCIJ3IGQctw/видео.html
Hi Marc, I had a DeLonghi ESAM5500 for years but has died. I tried a Delonghi Dinamica plus but I hated the two grinds and pulse delivery to get a long coffee to fill a mug. How does teh Cadorna prestige compare? Any other recomendations?
Hi Alan, Thanks for the comment! It is strange that the Dinamica does 2 grinds for a long coffee but if you make 2 espresso it only grinds once. Here's a link to my solo review of the Cadorna prestige: ruclips.net/video/cXpgP705LB4/видео.html
My colleague AJ has a review comparing the Cadorna Barista Plus to the Dinamica that will likely post tomorrow.
IMO from what I've seen of the Dinamica as AJ has been testing it the Cadorna Prestige blows it away. It's tough to make other recommendations as to get the feature set of the Cadorna Prestige you have to go to a Jura machine at least 1.5 to 2x the price.
Marc
I purchased the milk version and am having problems. Called and emailed WLL and they have not responded. Not sure I made a good choice buying here.
Hi ct, Hopefully you have made contact. I know it's frustrating to wait for help! As you might imagine we are experiencing extremely high call and email volume - well beyond normal for the season. If you have not yet been helped yet please leave a new original comment on this video with specific details and I'll do my best to help you. Thanks for your patience.
Marc
Hi marc, thanks for the review.
I'm considering buying the prestige or the milk models, just wanted to ask how easy or complicated is the cleaning of the milk assemblies in both machines? I guess cleaning the prestige requires disassembly of the top part there, how easy is that? Are all the parts dishwasher safe?
Does the milk model also do an automatic clean of the milk tube?
Hi Kobe Gal, You are welcome! Cleaning isn't too involved. Both the Prestige and Milk models have the quick clean feature which you can activate right after making a milk drink. On the Prestige it leaves the carafe ready to go in the fridge until next time. On both machines Gaggia recommends a weekly disassembly of the frothing components and cleaning at sink with running water. It's not hard to do. Parts are not dishwasher safe. You can find complete details on milk system cleaning for the Prestige starting on page 21at this link: www.gaggia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/4219-450-06541-MAN.-GAG.-CAD.-PRESTIGE-OTC-EN-NL-PL.pdf
Details for the Cadorna milk start on page 24 at this link: wll-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/Gaggia/Cadorna+Milk/Gaggia_Cadorna_Milk_Manual.pdf
Hope that helps!
Marc
Marc, how does the Cadorna compare to the Velasca? Do they use the same brew group? Obviously the touchscreen is a major upgrade, and the americano feature is nice, but it seems that the espresso should be the same, no? Also, how does the new Cadorna steam wand compare to the Velasca with the latte art wand? Thanks!
Hi Eric, Thanks for the questions. The Cadorna is similar to the Velasca. Built off the same frame and brew unit is nearly identical. Espresso should be similar but more and easier control of parameters thru a much better UI. Also clearance for larger cups under spouts on the Cadorna. Steam wand on the Cadorna Barista Plus is very nice. Long and manual which allows for much better frothing (some skill required) than the auto-frothing on the base Velasca model. Hope that helps!
Marc
Hi Marc: does frothing milk with the "Milk" version achieve similar result as the "Prestige" version, such as a rich creamy frothed milk? Thanks.
Hi YR, Thanks for the question. You can expect a nice creamy froth from the Milk model.
Marc
Hİ Marc, could you please inform me about the tempereture differences between "prestige" and "milk" for cappucino and latte machiato
Hi Ekin, Thanks for the question. Both machines use the same steam circuit for frothing milk and tend to be at the hotter end of milk froth as compared to other machines. I measured ~155F/68.3C in these machines. That's about as hot as frothed milk should be before losing apparent sweetness due to heating. Hope that helps!
Marc
I love Gaggia but It's enough hassle for me cleaning a regular machine without worrying about cleaning milk containers and pull out shelves etc. I'd love to try some of these drinks though.
Hi Alan, Thanks for the comment. Cleaning milk systems is very easy. The Cadorna Milk and Prestige machines have automated cycles.
Marc
Yeah marc but each week as manual said i have to diss assembly the milk on prestige but i have no problem at all ;)
How much is the coast of the machine
Hi mu, Thanks for the question. Current pricing for each Cadorna models is available using the links in the video description.
Marc
Can you please give a review for this new saeco Aulika Evo Focus? This machine is new and no one ever made review on this machine... If possible, can you compare saeco Aulika Evo Focus with Philips 3200 latte go or something professional with Gaggia products?
Hi AAA, Sorry I do not have access to those machines :(
Marc
Hey marc im from qatar and planning to order 3 of ur machines but i find that your machine is offer 120v .. its ok for shipping as i have US address but may you find me a solution for 240V?
Hi MA, Unfortunately we do not have 240v machines. You would likely need to order locally or out of EU. I believe there are Gaggia dealers in Qatar.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage hi Marc
I search but cant find .. if u know there contact pls provide me one
Were can I have the machine
There's links in the description for the different models.
Hi Marcel, Thanks for pointing that out!
Marc
Hi mu, Links ion the video description. Also in cards as video is playing or go here: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/super-automatic-espresso-machines?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Gaggia&pf_p_price=858%3A1759
Marc
Hey Marc! My wife and I have the Gaggia Classic Pro and we keep getting soupy pucks after we used to get dry pucks when our grind was more coarse. We are using 14g in the double shot basket. Any ideas?
I just got one and I’ve been having the same problem! I’ve read before that having the portafilter not filled enough can cause that issue. 14g seems kinda low to me. However, I just used mine with 18g and had the same issue. So I don’t know!
14g seems very light for a double as I use 18g. You may be having issues with your 3 way solenoid valve . Check to see if water is dispensing out the valve when you finish your shot. Back flushing is necessary to keep your valve clean and working properly.
Hi James, First, Thanks to @Anthony for chiming in. As he mentioned it may be related to 3-way solenoid valve but smaller dose in a larger basket can cause that or combo of smaller dose and partial obstructions adding up to wetter pucks. Have you been keeping the shower screen clean in the group head? Backflushing with a product like Cafiza? Descaling (if needed on schedule? It may be a bunch of little things adding up. Check the shower screen and do regular backflushing to keep the 3-way solenoid circuit clean. If you continue to have issue please call our tech support at 585-924-7170 and they'd be happy to advise.
Marc
Hi Blake, See my response To James for action items.
Marc
I'd love to see the inside of one of these machines!
Really undecided between the Jura ena8 and the prestige gaggia. In the UK they are pretty much the same price. What’s your thoughts Marc? Love a hot Americano and a latte not too fussed over all the drinks just Americans, latte and capachino. 👍🏻 love your vids here in the UK
Hi Steve, thanks for the comment and question. If my choice I'd go with the Prestige. Drinks are a bit hotter and I'm currently using daily for Americanos myself. It has higher capacities so you won't be filling reservoir or emptying used coffee as often. Hope that helps!
Marc
I'm torn between Milk and Prestige. This is my first time buying espresso machine, and I'm not sure if Prestige worth CDN$300 more than Milk for few more drinks option and better carafe.
Hi Kyi, Decisions...
@@Wholelattelovepage I finally pulled my trigger on prestige. Thank you guys from WLL for doing this video when nobody else have
Hi Marc, thanks for the great reviews.
I'm very close to decision & looks like the Cadorna Prestige is my pick too, but my last 2 questions are:
1. is the espresso by Cadorna would taste the same as from a semi-automatic machine like Bezera or Rocket espresso machines around $2000 as well?
2. Can Cadorna make a real microfoam like or at least close to the semi-automatic machines? and if it is close, is the foam from Cadorna can compete or at par with Accademia or Babila?
3. Extra question, since Gaggia is a Philips company, how do you compare the Cadorna vs Philips 5400 or Saeco Pico Baristo Carafe (I found the 5400 screen & AUI are the nicest so far)?
Thanks in advance & hope to get the decision this weekend so I can order the espresso machine this weekend as well :-))
Hi JG, You are welcome for the reviews and thanks for the questions!
1. Semi-automatic machines are capable of producing a higher quality espresso. They can use much larger coffee doses and give the user more control of extraction variables. Getting the best from a semi-auto requires skill and knowledge. Super-autos provide consistent convenience.
2. Manual frothing can produce a finer microfoam than automatically frothed milk. Again, that requires some level of skill of the person frothing. The Cadorna's froth is relatively fine but not latte art quality fine and froth density out of the machine is not adjustable. The Acaademia and Babila both have a manual wand in addition to the automatic milk carafe. Their manual wands can froth to latte art quality.
3. I have not used the Phillips or Saeco machines so cannot offer an opinion on them. Of the 3 comapnies Gaggia is the only one which makes all their products in Italy.
Hope tht helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks a lot for your quick & detailed answer, I will get the Gaggia Cadorna prestige & hope it will not disappoint us with the espresso & microfoam quality, since my son have the semi-automatic Lelit Mara X PL62X Espresso Machine & he will keep comparing his machine to ours LOL...
But I want the automatic one for ease of use & less hassle especially when I'm gonna make ~10 drinks same time when we have family over :-))
Hi@@JGantoss , have you received your new Cadorna Presitge yet? If yes, then can you please share us your feedback? If you compare the drinks made by the semi-auto Lelit with the drinks made by the Gaggia, how satisfied are you with the super-automatic machine? Thank you for your reply!
@@0ptimalbeat At the end, I got the Philips 5400, it had more drinks than Cadorna & with newer look & AUI & easier to clean the milk holder & brewing system
I'm very happy with the 5400 so far (have it for 3 months) with good espresso & cappuccino/latte drinks
My son got the lelit and the difference between the foam is huge, where Lelit get a real creamy microfoam while no supper-automatic machine can make...none
Also the espresso is even to a specialty cafe shop, while the supper-automatic is good espresso but would never reach the same level
On the other hand, the semi-automatic machines need a lot of practice & preparation time, while my Philips-5400 is supper easy with 1 button click & go
I got my cadorna prostige ... amazing i love it
Hi MA, That's awesome! Thanks for sharing. Just curious what are the features you like most on the Cadorna Prestige?
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage the one touch button and it do everything .. i really love it and the taste is better than what i got from Starbucks
I mean, I know SAECO and Gaggia are owned by Philips, but couldn't they make them look a little different from each other?
Hi PC, Thanks for the comment. All Gaggia machines are made in Italy and going strong. You will not be sad! Saeco machines are not made in Italy.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Great info. We are trying to replace a 13+ year old/25K cups Saeco Incanto Sirius that we bought from you. I loved that machine but am not impressed by what I see on the new Saeco.
Nice I like the machine
Hi mu, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
I can’t breathe.....
lol!
Marc