@@ikigai612 Can a villain be AI? That's a hotly debated topic, as is explored in the video below regarding HAL 9000 from _2001: A Space Odyssey._ ruclips.net/video/bsp4dA1g1i4/видео.html
"The Terminator would never stop, It would never leave him, & it would never hurt him, Never shout at him or get drunk and hit him, or say it was too busy to spend time with him, it would always be there, and it would die to protect him, of all the would be fathers that came and went over the years, this thing, this machine was the only one who measured up" That scene and dialog always got me to.
What's arguably more eerie and nightmarish than the nuclear explosion is how the camera makes it appear as though both Sarahs momentarily lock eyes within the nightmare. Bothered me as an eight year old kid, bothers me as a grown-ass man.
48:25 oh shit, I never noticed that. The T-1000 has four arms while he is flying the helicopter. I must have watched this amazing movie about twenty times and I have never noticed that before.
I love when the T-1000 mocks Sarah and John at the end by waving his finger side to side, this clearly shows it has been toying with them in the plant and this leads to it's mission failure. This gives the T-1000 a unique personality, it's a machine but it's arrogance is it's biggest failure. Perhaps arrogance and the underestimating towards the human race and the resistance is Skynet's biggest failure.
I love the part where Sarah Connor is trying to escape and she is just a badass throughout this whole escaping scene and she is not putting up s*** but there's something about that one part that I really love where the shows that she is a badass but once she sees the terminator, all that fear and memories just come back and she just hightails it out of there.
I was just about to turn 11 when my dad took us to go see it at the old Baldwin Hills Cinema (in LA, and it's no longer there and coincidentally I just drove by there yesterday). I love this film mostly because of fond memories I have of my dad having taken me. It's already an amazing film and the childhood memory really elevates it in my mind and heart.
I watched The Terminator for the first time last night and have just finished T2. God that’s a Titanic for men level ending. “I know now why you cry, but it’s something I can never do.” 😭💔
The Terminator is possibly the greatest "B-movie" ever made. By that i mean, it is the greatest low-budget sci-fi ever produced. The Terminator is a great inspiration for future filmmakers. Cameron showed us what can be possible on a small budget and its freaking amazing. T2 on the other hand is the greatest action movie ever made. Cameron showed us whats possible once youve established yourself in the industry. And its freaking phenomenal.
Haha hell yeah! That scene stuck with me for most of my life and still does.. over time I managed to remember it in a similar but funny way due to my spotty memory haha
I think he asked Sarah to call to John because he knows John is clever and probably knows when he's being tricked, as he has known previously in the film. Therefore, the T-1000 understands it needs to be the real Sarah calling to him. This actually makes the original climax better than the extended cut, in which John sees Sarah's feet turning into metal. In the original, John understands he's being tricked without a clear visual clue, which confirms the T-1000's suspicions that John would know his real mother from an imitation.
35:52 For the record, it is a dummy head, and what you see in the mirror is the real Arnie. There is no mirror, the reflection of Sarah is Linda's identical twin. She also had a part when the T-1000 was imitating Sarah.
With the whole T-1000 telling Sarah to call to John, I always figured that it had become so damaged over the last few sequences that it couldn't replicate things effectively. I mean you pointed out yourselves that it can't really control it's assimilation with the steel catwalk and it's flickering to make sure it's still in the same form it intends to be in. :)
the reason i think why the T-1000 seems to act so strange and stupid near the end can explained with due to the damage done to it from the shattering it took, it is glitching now, so maybe it's thought process is messed up now, add in it's arrogance and how it even mocked the Connor's with a finger wag near the end as proof. so It left Sarah alive because it thought she was irrelevant and now taken out of the fight and forget to kill her, as it was to centred on John or even crueller it wanted to kill John and then mock Sarah with his death. Like you said after it got damaged the T-1000 started to get sloppy and maybe dare i say arrogant, to human like.
@@RomanHistoryFan476ADThe T-1000 was a learning nano bot similar to the T-800. But itstead of learning positive traits from being around humans, the T-1000 became more cruel and sadistic.
Right, the effect in the mirror when they're opening Arnie's head (you guys should message me telling me what films you are reviewing next because you miss so much trivia): The head that they open is a prosthetic head. Arnie is not in a mirror, that is really Arnie facing the camera. Opening Arnie's head, in the supposed mirror, is Linda Hamilton's twin sister. No shit.
Gary, watch when the T-1000 drives the truck off the bridge when he's chasing John on the bike. When the truck hits the ground, the windshield smashes out. In the very next shot, the windshield is back.
The one glaring hole in this story is the T-1000 itself. We’re explained throughout the entire series that you can only send organic matter through time, yet somehow a being made entirely of liquid metal is able to travel through time. But it’s such a great villain I forgive it, just wish they had come up with a way to make it work with the established rules
Don't know if anybody mentioned this but at 51:40 T1000 says 'call to John' well it's simple: Up to that point He hasn't heard Sarah Conner speak. There's also an alternative theory that with his software glitching at this point, He is not sure he CAN replicate Sarah's voice unless he re-hears it.
Oh wow, that is hilarious that your mother asked how you felt after Judgement Day passed without incident. My family and I were on vacation on August 29, 1997 and I recall my mother and father noting the date and being extra sweet with my brother and I. It was a very special night, where we all were extra nice to each other. Glad I was not the only family that noted the date.
unknown unknown they don't feel real to me. for example when Steve McQueen missed his turn during the car chase scene in Bullitt and he stuck his head out the window and burned rubber; I could feel his frustration and the intensity of that scene. I don't feel that way when I watch a fast and furious movie.
I'm gonna agree, the sequence where the T-1000 is being dragged behind the patrol car is the one short instant where the special effects kind of collapse. Obviously. For me, even on first watch. And it's odd, because there were so many much more challenging effects and action sequences that were mind-blowing, and that still really do stand up so well after decades. In that moment, it's like, "And here's a mannequin tied to a bumper!"
The reason that Terminator was "polite "is to tell the audience this version is a anti-hero. Arnold's Terminator has been an anti-hero threw out the history of 📽 franchise.
John is good with tech/computers in Salvation. He hacks a few computers, reprograms the motorcycle and communicates with Marcus through a screen on his arm. He also goes out and field tests the signal jammer for the terminators.
When this came out everyone was like "the scene with the tiled floor and the T1000 was unbelievable!" It really brought us into action special effects like film had never seen.
One other nitpick you guys missed. It's explained the T-1000 can imitate anything it touches. However, when he imitates the guard in the asylum, he only actually touches the guard's shoes as it's imitating several square feet of the floor when the guard walks over it. If touch is necessary, the only thing it would have been able to imitate would have been the soles of the guard's shoes.
Now my father has started saying the whole "Synopsis" Oh my brothers! This is one of the best films of all time and I was lucky enough to see it early. And just the sound alone in this movie is beyond more than explosive. The whole thing is just brilliant and this is one of the films I've seen as much as The Big Lebowski! A good 700 plus times 😆. 👊 Thankyou both you both smashed this out the fucking park!
Terminator 2 is the best movie ever made, it's my all time favourite masterpiece. I've watched it 100 times. Nothing is gonna beat it. T2 and Scarface (1983) - my best movies in the world
Answer to why the T-1000 wanted Sarah to call to John. He knows he's taking damage and his imitation is growing more imperfect and might not be able to otherwise fool John. The inconsistency I'd like to see addressed is that the T-1000 is WALKING everywhere in the steel mill. Show the battle-damage effects with him attempting, and being unable, to run and you suddenly don't need so much plot armor.
I want the true sequel. Jon Cannah getting saved by the T1000 acted out by professional finger puppeteers. This is the sequel that the true fans have been waiting for.
I TOTALLY forgot the T-1000 was in the movie. First time I watched it and he says”That’s a nice Bike” and steals it, and he shows up later at Miles Dyson’s house seeing the paper being burned I was like “fuuuuuuccck”
I remember me and Paul O’Connor managing to get into the cinema in 1991 when we were 12 and this was a 15 at the time. Luckiest day was Paul’s brother worked at the cinema. We saw this film and my word it’s one of my favourites of all time and when it came out on vhs (back in the day) we probably wore it out before 1992 ended. On another note cheers John because August 29th 1997 passed and I got to write this comment
T1000 is merely trying to debilitate T800 long enough to kill John..... He'll realise to outright finish a T800 is a far tougher and lengthier proposition than slaying random members of the public and doesn't want to risk John & Sarah escaping whilst getting overtly embroiled in an all-out battle with Arnie.
T1000 does not kill Sarah Connor while he has his silver finger in her shoulder is because he wants her to know absolute failure. This is the reason that the T1000 is so much better at 'blending' (like the first visit to the foster parents) than the Arnold version.
arnie did not kill the waitresses because he wanted to acquire the clothes. in 1 and 2 the t800 asked for the clothes and was denied so he fought for the clothes. in 3 he asked and the stripper gave him the clothes so t800 did not kill him.
The tune 'Bad To The Bone' got a great laugh out of the American audience because it was the theme tune that had been advertising another sequel that (unwisely) was released the same weekend: Problem Child 2. I got the idea that that tune was added last minute as a joke by Cameron, but still worked brilliantly nonetheless.
What you don't understand is that James Cameron doesn't do the things that James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does the things that James Cameron does because James Cameron is …… James Cameron.
I'm guessing after Sarah gave birth to John she went through a series of bad relationships plus to add to it she kept talking about judgment day to them & they freaked out & thought Sarah was crazy. Then finally her last boyfriend must've called the cops on her who committed her to a psychiatric hospital thus taking John from her.
both really cool films, i quite liked pet sematary 2 with furlong as well, mostly because of clancy brown's incredible performance....and of course american history x is a great film!
You guys are the absolute best! I remember seeing this as a boy and holy shit this movie blew my mind...I've probably seen it over 1000 times it never EVER looses it appeal.
I think the T-1000's failure to effectively terminate the T-800 can be chalked up to the fact that no two Terminators had ever thrown down before and the T-1000 was only programmed to terminate humans. I don't think Skynet had anticipated John being able to reprogram its machines, which is why by the time we get to T3 we have the T-X which is stated to have been designed to combat rogue Terminators. A similar thing happened in the Sarah Connor Chronicles in which, at a certain point, Skynet built a failsafe into its newer models so that their chips would self destruct if anyone tried to access the CPU.
The only reason I feel the T1000 didn't kill them right away, besides script padding, is he's not functioning at 100%. As you mention, his feet and parts of him are sticking to the floor and taking up the pattern of it. Maybe being dipped in the liquid nitrogen and then melted scrambled up his system more than first thought, like he has no control over his limps not turning into the object he's touching. He has to pry his hand off the handrail to get it free because the whole limb is malfunctioning. Might be also why he stops beating up Arnie is cause he feels he has to eliminate John Conner right away since if they could actually do damage to him, an advanced terminator like him, they could do worse and kill him so he felt he'd need to hurry off to finish his objective
I can't wait for the 3D re-release in August. And Linda was TOTALLY SNUBBED for a Best Actress nomination. I mean, her Sarah Connor is more famous now than any of the women nominated that year... even more than Thelma & Louise
Great review. One thing to potentially explain the oddities of the T-1000's tactics is both the fact that he is an infiltration/assassination unit as well as a prototype. Killing literally everything in its path would probably be counter-intuitive and a waste of time. Even in the steel mill, leaving the T-800 and sarah alive wise likely a decision based on the priority of kill John (not necessarily a correct one either). Also, because the T-1000 is a prototype it could be argued that it lacks some of the imagination and experience a human might have. Initially he is just using a hand gun he acquired, later forming a knife after witnessing its effectiveness and the four-arm helicopter operation is a good sign of it "learning". It may be that the T-1000's lack of experience might account for many of these odd choices. Just a theory though.
Did you know? - the person who captured the deeply racist LAPD beating Rodney King on their camcorder was, at the time, recording some footage of the Terminator 2 film crew creating some scenes. (if you look closely you can see Robert Patrick running past them 😄 - Not really. Obviously).
I think the reason why T1000 didn't kill Sarah at the end of the movie is because T1000 was damaged and could not perfectly mimic other form, which is why John know which one is the fake was well
Great review as always but you guys forgot to mention they destroy a T-800 arm and chip only to leave the arm that he lost in the cogs not incinerated. Someone will still base new tech on that remnant.
A great discussion for a great film. I must've seen this movie a couple of dozen times but this was actually the first time I noticed the multiple arms on the T1000 in the helicopter. Thanks guys :) Long Live Arnie!
Thanks. To me, there are 2 undercurrents that run through this film, which people don't seem to talk about. First, it's the idea that A.I. machines like the Terminator could learn to understand and empathize with humans; that smart machines aren't just naturally evil somehow. Good sci-fi (and any good story) is always a human story. The second one is more complex. In this film, there are many call-backs to the first Terminator, but I don't think it's just fan service, or even just normal connective tissue between related stories. It seems there's the idea that things play out similarly in this timeline, just as they might in parallel ones. There's a notion of the cycle repeating itself with slight variations. I relate the stories we tell to our dreams, as well as to ideas of cyclic history, and multiple dimensions & timelines. For this reason, inconsistencies between - or even within - connected storylines don't really bother me that much, unless they're just big plot holes. It's like the Kelvin timeline in Star Trek: kinda the same, but different in some details. And yes, this is one of the greatest sequels ever made (along with Aliens; also by Cameron!) Awesome & satisfying in every way. Also: my favorite scene is totally unnecessary, but completely cool. It's when the T-1000 is in the shop, and sees the silver mannequin, giving it this inscrutable look. Details matter! Thanks again. tavi.
Just to add- Its been explained & if you watch carefully in the film the T1000 doesn't kill Sarah Connor because he is moving away from his programming. The T1000 is beginning to find delight in the torture of his targets not just killing them. The T1000 is learning how to become more human & with that comes all of our bad baggage as well.
As a kid that scene caught me completely off guard and I was tearing up. I think this was one of the first films I saw where a good guy character died like this. Not through the actions of the villain but through their own will and determination.
I love the fact that someone that knows what Sarah knows would surely see his or her sanity slip, but they still played it perfectly. Concerning Sarah being "captured", they should have just made the voice of the T1000 altered because of the damage. In that case, you have a justification.
The problem with the special edition adding the shots of the T-1000 malfunctioning is what it does to the pace. It is jarring to anyone who watched the film over a hundred times before the special edition and it also slows the pace of that scene. The reason for those shots, to begin with, was to set up how John works out that it is not his mum but the T-1000 at the end. Setting that up though, as far as I'm concerned, was entirely unnecessary since John would know it wasn't his mum since she is asking for help (when has Sarah Conner ever asked him for help?).
Robert Patrick as the T-1000 is one of the best cinema villains ever.
Agreed he's awesome
He’s not a villain because he can’t control himself
@@ikigai612 Can a villain be AI? That's a hotly debated topic, as is explored in the video below regarding HAL 9000 from _2001: A Space Odyssey._ ruclips.net/video/bsp4dA1g1i4/видео.html
@@ikigai612 Same could be argued for someone like Dahmer than by that logic or any animal movie or monster flick. That is silly logic
@@Andy_Sidaris i mean its a robot he’s can’t control himself like a human or understand what the evil is
"If a terminator, a machine, can learn the value of human life... maybe we can too." This last line always makes me tear up just a little
"The Terminator would never stop, It would never leave him, & it would never hurt him, Never shout at him or get drunk and hit him, or say it was too busy to spend time with him, it would always be there, and it would die to protect him, of all the would be fathers that came and went over the years, this thing, this machine was the only one who measured up" That scene and dialog always got me to.
What's arguably more eerie and nightmarish than the nuclear explosion is how the camera makes it appear as though both Sarahs momentarily lock eyes within the nightmare.
Bothered me as an eight year old kid, bothers me as a grown-ass man.
The L.A. nuke scene gave me nightmares for years afterwards. So well done.
This is the one we have waited for. Best Film Ever.
The Terminator franchise ended after this film. Everything that followed is just piss poor fan fiction.
britbloc123 I'm one of the few who likes salvation.
I liked Salvation. It wasn't perfect, but getting to see the future and life through a Terminator's eyes was pretty incredible
True. Same goes for the predator series after part 2.
Arnold in "T3": 🤩
No t3 was good as well. The rest suck though.
48:25 oh shit, I never noticed that. The T-1000 has four arms while he is flying the helicopter. I must have watched this amazing movie about twenty times and I have never noticed that before.
II DIRECTx II woaaa same here!!!!
Yeah, he has four dongs as well, but that's kinda downplayed in the movie.
Well what you think he was steering with? 🤣. He clearly is using two hands while using the gun
I really enjoy your double commentary. Thank you for such in-depth reviews. So honest, blunt and entertaining as well.
I love when the T-1000 mocks Sarah and John at the end by waving his finger side to side, this clearly shows it has been toying with them in the plant and this leads to it's mission failure. This gives the T-1000 a unique personality, it's a machine but it's arrogance is it's biggest failure. Perhaps arrogance and the underestimating towards the human race and the resistance is Skynet's biggest failure.
They filmed the mirror sequence using Linda Hamiltons twin sister and a prosthetic Arnold.
That's an incredible amount of effort for a deleted scene.
I love the part where Sarah Connor is trying to escape and she is just a badass throughout this whole escaping scene and she is not putting up s*** but there's something about that one part that I really love where the shows that she is a badass but once she sees the terminator, all that fear and memories just come back and she just hightails it out of there.
One of the GREATEST movies EVER made!!! :D
I was just about to turn 11 when my dad took us to go see it at the old Baldwin Hills Cinema (in LA, and it's no longer there and coincidentally I just drove by there yesterday). I love this film mostly because of fond memories I have of my dad having taken me. It's already an amazing film and the childhood memory really elevates it in my mind and heart.
The opening music for this film gives me chills, this is one of the best films ever made and one of the best sequels ever.
I watched The Terminator for the first time last night and have just finished T2. God that’s a Titanic for men level ending.
“I know now why you cry, but it’s something I can never do.”
😭💔
The Terminator is possibly the greatest "B-movie" ever made. By that i mean, it is the greatest low-budget sci-fi ever produced. The Terminator is a great inspiration for future filmmakers. Cameron showed us what can be possible on a small budget and its freaking amazing.
T2 on the other hand is the greatest action movie ever made. Cameron showed us whats possible once youve established yourself in the industry. And its freaking phenomenal.
I love miles dysons death scene! He managed to add second to second suspense to a death scene! Your wondering with every breathe
Haha hell yeah! That scene stuck with me for most of my life and still does.. over time I managed to remember it in a similar but funny way due to my spotty memory haha
I think he asked Sarah to call to John because he knows John is clever and probably knows when he's being tricked, as he has known previously in the film. Therefore, the T-1000 understands it needs to be the real Sarah calling to him.
This actually makes the original climax better than the extended cut, in which John sees Sarah's feet turning into metal. In the original, John understands he's being tricked without a clear visual clue, which confirms the T-1000's suspicions that John would know his real mother from an imitation.
Ed Furlongs career got ruined by sexual abuse which lead to self medication and subsequent drug addiction :(
I'll say something controversial - The CGI used in T2 still looks better than most CGI used today.
That's just wrong.
35:52 For the record, it is a dummy head, and what you see in the mirror is the real Arnie. There is no mirror, the reflection of Sarah is Linda's identical twin. She also had a part when the T-1000 was imitating Sarah.
The first Terminator was really funny too.
Like when he tells the guy "f you a hole"
everytime I hear
BAD TO THE BONE
I picture in my head the
TERMINATOR vs CHRISTINE
With the whole T-1000 telling Sarah to call to John, I always figured that it had become so damaged over the last few sequences that it couldn't replicate things effectively. I mean you pointed out yourselves that it can't really control it's assimilation with the steel catwalk and it's flickering to make sure it's still in the same form it intends to be in. :)
the reason i think why the T-1000 seems to act so strange and stupid near the end can explained with due to the damage done to it from the shattering it took, it is glitching now, so maybe it's thought process is messed up now, add in it's arrogance and how it even mocked the Connor's with a finger wag near the end as proof. so It left Sarah alive because it thought she was irrelevant and now taken out of the fight and forget to kill her, as it was to centred on John or even crueller it wanted to kill John and then mock Sarah with his death.
Like you said after it got damaged the T-1000 started to get sloppy and maybe dare i say arrogant, to human like.
@@RomanHistoryFan476ADThe T-1000 was a learning nano bot similar to the T-800. But itstead of learning positive traits from being around humans, the T-1000 became more cruel and sadistic.
@@pianoandguitarlover2773 Very likely, after all Skynet was very hesitant to even deploy it, worried it might go rogue.
Right, the effect in the mirror when they're opening Arnie's head (you guys should message me telling me what films you are reviewing next because you miss so much trivia): The head that they open is a prosthetic head. Arnie is not in a mirror, that is really Arnie facing the camera. Opening Arnie's head, in the supposed mirror, is Linda Hamilton's twin sister. No shit.
Yeah that's why I like Oliver Harper's reviews/retrospective - he lists loads of trivia.
But Arnie's death isn't really a death scene, because he isn't human. That final thumbs-up is priceless.
Finally, a Terminator 2 review! thank you
32:00 - The first thing the T-800 says to Sarah after saving her is the first thing Kyle said to her in the first movie!
Gary, watch when the T-1000 drives the truck off the bridge when he's chasing John on the bike. When the truck hits the ground, the windshield smashes out. In the very next shot, the windshield is back.
The one glaring hole in this story is the T-1000 itself. We’re explained throughout the entire series that you can only send organic matter through time, yet somehow a being made entirely of liquid metal is able to travel through time. But it’s such a great villain I forgive it, just wish they had come up with a way to make it work with the established rules
The videogame Terminator Resistance answers all those questions
Don't know if anybody mentioned this but at 51:40 T1000 says 'call to John' well it's simple: Up to that point He hasn't heard Sarah Conner speak. There's also an alternative theory that with his software glitching at this point, He is not sure he CAN replicate Sarah's voice unless he re-hears it.
My second favourite movie after Aliens. Cameron certainly knows how to do sequel's.
Please stop talking about the sequels... The franchise ended with T2. Thank You. Great review.
Grégory Agreed. It should’ve. I wish it did.
What sequels?
@@fuzzydunlop1753 idk what they're talking about. What sequels?
@@fuzzydunlop1753 idk what they're talking about. What sequels?
Oh wow, that is hilarious that your mother asked how you felt after Judgement Day passed without incident. My family and I were on vacation on August 29, 1997 and I recall my mother and father noting the date and being extra sweet with my brother and I. It was a very special night, where we all were extra nice to each other. Glad I was not the only family that noted the date.
One of the best action movies and sequels of all time! Great job with the review guys!
Terminator 2 had one of the last Real car chases. nowadays most car chases are cgi. Fast and furious.
I think the canal chase IS THE BEST CAR CHASE.
Luke M personally I think Bullitt had the best car chase, despite the flaws. you can't beat Steve McQueen!
To be completely fair, a lot of the car chases in F&F are real stunts.
unknown unknown they don't feel real to me. for example when Steve McQueen missed his turn during the car chase scene in Bullitt and he stuck his head out the window and burned rubber; I could feel his frustration and the intensity of that scene. I don't feel that way when I watch a fast and furious movie.
The car/train chase scene in "The French Connection" is great also. A lot of accidental crashes that made it so real.
I'm gonna agree, the sequence where the T-1000 is being dragged behind the patrol car is the one short instant where the special effects kind of collapse. Obviously. For me, even on first watch.
And it's odd, because there were so many much more challenging effects and action sequences that were mind-blowing, and that still really do stand up so well after decades.
In that moment, it's like, "And here's a mannequin tied to a bumper!"
Just discovered you guys and I'm binge watching all your reviews great job guys!
The reason that Terminator was "polite "is to tell the audience this version is a anti-hero. Arnold's Terminator has been an anti-hero threw out the history of 📽 franchise.
John is good with tech/computers in Salvation. He hacks a few computers, reprograms the motorcycle and communicates with Marcus through a screen on his arm. He also goes out and field tests the signal jammer for the terminators.
When this came out everyone was like "the scene with the tiled floor and the T1000 was unbelievable!" It really brought us into action special effects like film had never seen.
One other nitpick you guys missed. It's explained the T-1000 can imitate anything it touches. However, when he imitates the guard in the asylum, he only actually touches the guard's shoes as it's imitating several square feet of the floor when the guard walks over it. If touch is necessary, the only thing it would have been able to imitate would have been the soles of the guard's shoes.
Now my father has started saying the whole "Synopsis" Oh my brothers! This is one of the best films of all time and I was lucky enough to see it early. And just the sound alone in this movie is beyond more than explosive. The whole thing is just brilliant and this is one of the films I've seen as much as The Big Lebowski! A good 700 plus times 😆. 👊 Thankyou both you both smashed this out the fucking park!
Terminator 2 is the best movie ever made, it's my all time favourite masterpiece. I've watched it 100 times. Nothing is gonna beat it. T2 and Scarface (1983) - my best movies in the world
Arnold's Terminator was most definitely aware of Patrick's Terminator. That was explained in Terminator: Dark Years
I think the t1000 didnt kill Sarah because he was injured from the frozen thing. Why he was "refreshing himself". At least thats what i think.
Answer to why the T-1000 wanted Sarah to call to John. He knows he's taking damage and his imitation is growing more imperfect and might not be able to otherwise fool John. The inconsistency I'd like to see addressed is that the T-1000 is WALKING everywhere in the steel mill. Show the battle-damage effects with him attempting, and being unable, to run and you suddenly don't need so much plot armor.
I want the true sequel. Jon Cannah getting saved by the T1000 acted out by professional finger puppeteers. This is the sequel that the true fans have been waiting for.
I TOTALLY forgot the T-1000 was in the movie. First time I watched it and he says”That’s a nice Bike” and steals it, and he shows up later at Miles Dyson’s house seeing the paper being burned I was like “fuuuuuuccck”
I love the sound of the metal fragments hitting the floor after the terminator shoots the frozen t1000
Just for the record: You guys are HANDS DOWN thé best film-reviewers on youtube! Absolutely love it! Keep it up!
I like your use " thé "
The dark ominous tone everytime we see the T1000 clearly lets us know hes the bad guy 😉 even as a kid i picked up on this 👊
The reason the t-1000 asks sarah to call to john, is so that he can mimic her voice, because until that point it hadnt heard her speak yet.
GREATEST ACTION MOVIE EVER CREATED
mrsanatra1 different style, but could i suggest "the raid"?
mrsanatra1 The best has to be between Die Hard and this...but T2 is the clear winner.
@@DeanBiddler I'm sorry but I wasn't impressed with The Raid. Overated as hell.
I remember me and Paul O’Connor managing to get into the cinema in 1991 when we were 12 and this was a 15 at the time. Luckiest day was Paul’s brother worked at the cinema. We saw this film and my word it’s one of my favourites of all time and when it came out on vhs (back in the day) we probably wore it out before 1992 ended.
On another note cheers John because August 29th 1997 passed and I got to write this comment
T1000 is merely trying to debilitate T800 long enough to kill John..... He'll realise to outright finish a T800 is a far tougher and lengthier proposition than slaying random members of the public and doesn't want to risk John & Sarah escaping whilst getting overtly embroiled in an all-out battle with Arnie.
T1000 does not kill Sarah Connor while he has his silver finger in her shoulder is because he wants her to know absolute failure. This is the reason that the T1000 is so much better at 'blending' (like the first visit to the foster parents) than the Arnold version.
Can you guys do a Commando (1985) review and a True Lies (1994) review?
Would also love a Point Break (1991) review. My favorite movie of all time :D
Most of the people that the Terminator kneecapped probably lived with chronic pain for the rest of their lives.
The SWAT commander was Hank from Breaking Bad. He was also in Total Recall.
Is it true that the British version the censors deleted Linda Hamilton pick locking scenes fear it would be copied?
A great action Sci-Fi film. One of the best. 9.5/10
arnie did not kill the waitresses because he wanted to acquire the clothes.
in 1 and 2 the t800 asked for the clothes and was denied so he fought for the clothes.
in 3 he asked and the stripper gave him the clothes so t800 did not kill him.
The tune 'Bad To The Bone' got a great laugh out of the American audience because it was the theme tune that had been advertising another sequel that (unwisely) was released the same weekend: Problem Child 2. I got the idea that that tune was added last minute as a joke by Cameron, but still worked brilliantly nonetheless.
Ah, yes. Terminator 2 the only film to make me cry
Great review. Keep up the incredible work guys!
What you don't understand is that James Cameron doesn't do the things that James Cameron does for James Cameron.
James Cameron does the things that James Cameron does because James Cameron is …… James Cameron.
I'm guessing after Sarah gave birth to John she went through a series of bad relationships plus to add to it she kept talking about judgment day to them & they freaked out & thought Sarah was crazy. Then finally her last boyfriend must've called the cops on her who committed her to a psychiatric hospital thus taking John from her.
She got arrested for trying to blow up a computer factory, they say so quite clearly in the movie.
i love edward furlong in brainscan and Detroit Rock City
Yeah brainscan was pretty good.
Detroit Rock City Is Awesome
Detroit rock city is an awesome movie
both really cool films, i quite liked pet sematary 2 with furlong as well, mostly because of clancy brown's incredible performance....and of course american history x is a great film!
You guys are the absolute best! I remember seeing this as a boy and holy shit this movie blew my mind...I've probably seen it over 1000 times it never EVER looses it appeal.
This film legitimately has the best opening ever
"She's not my mother! ......Todd "
I think the T-1000's failure to effectively terminate the T-800 can be chalked up to the fact that no two Terminators had ever thrown down before and the T-1000 was only programmed to terminate humans. I don't think Skynet had anticipated John being able to reprogram its machines, which is why by the time we get to T3 we have the T-X which is stated to have been designed to combat rogue Terminators. A similar thing happened in the Sarah Connor Chronicles in which, at a certain point, Skynet built a failsafe into its newer models so that their chips would self destruct if anyone tried to access the CPU.
The only reason I feel the T1000 didn't kill them right away, besides script padding, is he's not functioning at 100%. As you mention, his feet and parts of him are sticking to the floor and taking up the pattern of it. Maybe being dipped in the liquid nitrogen and then melted scrambled up his system more than first thought, like he has no control over his limps not turning into the object he's touching. He has to pry his hand off the handrail to get it free because the whole limb is malfunctioning. Might be also why he stops beating up Arnie is cause he feels he has to eliminate John Conner right away since if they could actually do damage to him, an advanced terminator like him, they could do worse and kill him so he felt he'd need to hurry off to finish his objective
I can't wait for the 3D re-release in August. And Linda was TOTALLY SNUBBED for a Best Actress nomination. I mean, her Sarah Connor is more famous now than any of the women nominated that year... even more than Thelma & Louise
Great review. One thing to potentially explain the oddities of the T-1000's tactics is both the fact that he is an infiltration/assassination unit as well as a prototype. Killing literally everything in its path would probably be counter-intuitive and a waste of time. Even in the steel mill, leaving the T-800 and sarah alive wise likely a decision based on the priority of kill John (not necessarily a correct one either). Also, because the T-1000 is a prototype it could be argued that it lacks some of the imagination and experience a human might have. Initially he is just using a hand gun he acquired, later forming a knife after witnessing its effectiveness and the four-arm helicopter operation is a good sign of it "learning". It may be that the T-1000's lack of experience might account for many of these odd choices. Just a theory though.
If somebody did not miss this one...After the 1000 smashes into the chopper, he smashes the frontscreen window, the next scene, it's all fixed up!!
Not to mention that crash Bandicoot warped is like a parody of terminator 2
Did you know? - the person who captured the deeply racist LAPD beating Rodney King on their camcorder was, at the time, recording some footage of the Terminator 2 film crew creating some scenes.
(if you look closely you can see Robert Patrick running past them 😄 - Not really. Obviously).
That's one of the greatest moves of all time , and still holds up today, its a very well done flim
The T-1000 has detailed files on the preparation and execution of Beef Stew
Terminator 2 impresses on every level...story, acting, special effects, cast, soundtrack. 😀👍
Robert Patrick is so good in The Sopranos ( season 2)
Watched this in the theater. It was amazing. One of the best films of all time.
So did I! Refused to leave until the end credits! Not many films have such an impact on me!👍
I think the reason why T1000 didn't kill Sarah at the end of the movie is because T1000 was damaged and could not perfectly mimic other form, which is why John know which one is the fake was well
Well...T1000 never heard Sarah's voice until that point where she cursed at him.
the T800
wrapped his legs around
the metal anchor
so he wouldn't
" FLOAT "
on the molten steel
Great review as always but you guys forgot to mention they destroy a T-800 arm and chip only to leave the arm that he lost in the cogs not incinerated. Someone will still base new tech on that remnant.
A great discussion for a great film. I must've seen this movie a couple of dozen times but this was actually the first time I noticed the multiple arms on the T1000 in the helicopter. Thanks guys :)
Long Live Arnie!
Thanks. To me, there are 2 undercurrents that run through this film, which people don't seem to talk about. First, it's the idea that A.I. machines like the Terminator could learn to understand and empathize with humans; that smart machines aren't just naturally evil somehow. Good sci-fi (and any good story) is always a human story. The second one is more complex. In this film, there are many call-backs to the first Terminator, but I don't think it's just fan service, or even just normal connective tissue between related stories. It seems there's the idea that things play out similarly in this timeline, just as they might in parallel ones. There's a notion of the cycle repeating itself with slight variations. I relate the stories we tell to our dreams, as well as to ideas of cyclic history, and multiple dimensions & timelines. For this reason, inconsistencies between - or even within - connected storylines don't really bother me that much, unless they're just big plot holes. It's like the Kelvin timeline in Star Trek: kinda the same, but different in some details. And yes, this is one of the greatest sequels ever made (along with Aliens; also by Cameron!) Awesome & satisfying in every way. Also: my favorite scene is totally unnecessary, but completely cool. It's when the T-1000 is in the shop, and sees the silver mannequin, giving it this inscrutable look. Details matter! Thanks again. tavi.
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Shit, I'm a 30 year old woman and I still cry. I teared a bit just seeing it in the review.
Just to add- Its been explained & if you watch carefully in the film the T1000 doesn't kill Sarah Connor because he is moving away from his programming.
The T1000 is beginning to find delight in the torture of his targets not just killing them. The T1000 is learning how to become more human & with that comes all of our bad baggage as well.
The T-1000 can only replicate it's own sice, an not complicated machines, like the T - 800
I'm glad I am not the only who tears up when the T-800 is being lowered into the molten steel :_(
As a kid that scene caught me completely off guard and I was tearing up. I think this was one of the first films I saw where a good guy character died like this. Not through the actions of the villain but through their own will and determination.
me too. But later I realized the importance of what the T-800 did at the end.
Is it because you have a sex robot fantasy?
Hey the woman from BladeRunner was bloody hot...I'll let you guess which woman I'm talking about
You mean Rachael (Sean Young)?
Janette Goldstein is just a character Vasquez plays.
The T1000 is way more sophisticated, thats got he got sent back.
are you insinuating that skynet is protecting john connor by pretending to trying to kill him with a t1000?
The bit where he says "I need a vacation" for the longest time I kept hearing "I need to be caged".
I love the fact that someone that knows what Sarah knows would surely see his or her sanity slip, but they still played it perfectly.
Concerning Sarah being "captured", they should have just made the voice of the T1000 altered because of the damage. In that case, you have a justification.
Terminator 2 gets 10/10 it's iconic then T1
The problem with the special edition adding the shots of the T-1000 malfunctioning is what it does to the pace. It is jarring to anyone who watched the film over a hundred times before the special edition and it also slows the pace of that scene. The reason for those shots, to begin with, was to set up how John works out that it is not his mum but the T-1000 at the end. Setting that up though, as far as I'm concerned, was entirely unnecessary since John would know it wasn't his mum since she is asking for help (when has Sarah Conner ever asked him for help?).