It's so refreshing to see a pair of amazing drivers in a supercar race. Wow this is so much better than other motoring journalism. Tiff and Chris should work together more often, imagine this with the Grand Tour's production quality.
Check solomondrin's video. Speciale lost horribly from all the cars , including the RS.. Too bad, cause for me the Speciale is sex on wheels!!! I don't know if was objective test or not , but I believe Speciale showed its age against those "young guns"!!! 488 would have scored differently imo!!
@@YourGodsIcon it a tv show... waiting is not a thing...... they will used the same to shoot another show also but wait... fifth gear suck now... so....
An RS would blow the doors off that 458. Especially with the magnesium wheels. Frankly, this seemed like quite a low-speed track. I don’t think the GT3 could take advantage of its superior downforce capability on this track.
Daniel Richardson I think it is great, that Chris has a "proper" platform. Especially now, that Top Gear tanked, Fifth Gear can catch up - especially with an amazing character like Harris. The only thing is, that Fifth Gear isn't that good for Chris... I always thought, that it is just not as good as Top Gear, the jokes weren't that laughable, and the overall screen writing wasn't as sharp. Chris is coming to an established production team. He made with /Drive some epic videos. I hope, that he just doesn't only "play" just another guy at Fifth Gear!
jimmyhayers Sorry - the news just made my comment before obsolete. Because Harris is now cast of the new Top Gear. We will see, how this works out in the new season...
+e-hybrid 919LMP1 no, simply because ferrari's mechanical grip is seriously lacking! Has always been my gripe with Ferrari, I've owned a 458 and hated it in compared to my gt2 or mclarens ability to put down the power. The porsche chassis/suspension geometry is better, video shows just that
Martin C What do you mean Ferrari's have less mechanical grip? I admit the Porsche's AWD and AWS give it the advantage, and the chassis/suspension is better (not surprised because German), and I'm a proud Porsche fan and owner but I've have more fun in Ferrari's because of that reason. Porsche's are about serious stuff, lap times, setup. Ferrari's are just about driving pleasure. Speaking of putting down power, I heard from a racing driver named Randy Pobst that the 458 Italia and the F12 Berlinetta put power down quite brilliantly.
e-hybrid 919LMP1 as a previous owner, track guy, club racer and all around enthusiast.. Ferrari's are worst in its class for putting the usable power down to the pavement.. from experience, also. Once you are use to Porsche suspension geometry/chassis and rear engine grip over the rear axle/wheels, its not even a comparison. Ferraris are loose, you can see how much weight transfer there is in the special in this video, the 458 non special is 10x worse with body roll. I hate their magnetic suspension, always nervous and jittery, just like you see with tiff's steering inputs, always a correction! May be fun , however, it slower and inferior :) I like fun, but also a car that can do both and properly setup. My mclaren Mp4 is just like Porsche, SERIOUS mechanical grip (mechanical meaning advance chassis/suspension tuning) to be able to utilize its power properly ! Be well my friend :)
Martin C I've driven Ferrari's and Porsche's many times, I speak from my experiences with both great brands and I have to disagree. The 458 is an excellent car. It puts its power down really well! So does the 911, the 911 slightly puts its power down better. But Ferrari's are a very close 2nd to Porsche. I've driven a McLaren and an AMG, the AMG sucked at putting the power down whereas the McLaren was better but still not as good as Ferrari or Porsche.
I liked the video a lot. The idea was great the execution could and should have been much greater. Tiff and Chris are a great combination. Tiff, Chris harris and the top guy from motor trend (the guy w the beard)would make an incredible car show
***** Nope. The GT3 RS is quite quicker than the GT3. Not to mention the GT3 is heavier and has less power but yet it kept up with the Ferrari. Also, since it is a Ferrari, take out about 50hp and make the suspension less performance oriented and you have a customer Ferrari. Yeah, the Speciale is slower than a car that costs far less and has less performance on paper.
Hear That? Well since you're saying it then it all must be true pffft lmao! Think what you want, I honestly couldn't care less about your opinions. Go bake a cake.
Radek Vinš Yup, that's exactly what is the problem here. Ferrari beats porsche (like always) and all the butthurt porcshe fanboys start whining and bitching and making stupid excuses lol. It's really funny actually.
Amazing video guys! Glad to see those two excellent journalists together! ;) I'm not surprised by the result - it's very well known fact that 458 Speciale is faster car on the track (on all circuits in fact) and a much better car overall. Can't beat a Ferrari at what they're doing best in the world. Their track-focused V8 supercars are unmatched, just like the V12 and V8 elite limited hypercars. Don't forget 360 Challenge Stradale vs 911 GT3, 430 Scuderia vs 911 GT3, 458 Speciale vs 911 GT3 and F40 vs 959, unmatched F50 in 90's together with F1 and Enzo vs Carrera GT. Ferrari have always made a better, more capable and more emotional, driver focused machine.
Delco S as the guy with the audi in the picture I have to say the Ferrari is faster right, but they are track focused cars to have fun on tracks, right? The Porsche does that job just aswell as the 458 IMO, both fill the same Niche in different price sectors.
Interesting. The GT3 still manages to out maneuver the Ferrari in the twisties being a rear-engine car vs the Ferrari a mid-engine car. Says something about Porsche engineering. Now how about the 488 vs the GT3 RS? :)
Yeah I'd like to see this remake with a GT3 RS and a regular Speciale one would buy at a dealership, not one tuned by Ferrari specifically for the track they used...
+Tuddec The GT3RS is faster than the Speciale,while Shmee150 isn't a car resource he did mention that it was faster than the Speciale in a straight line ;) because they tested it,off camera though.
haha lol tune? you don't even know what tuning means. and for that clueless shmee, he is a grade A ferrari hater and porsche fanboy. Generally, Porsche s suffer the inferiority complex against Ferraris.
2019, still great video, this is what a car show is. Great riders, great characters no bullshit edits and great cars... I love this😍. Shame that you guys dumped tiff 😪
1 more lap and that speciale would've overheated the tires and the gt3 would've taken the win. But then again I think tiff was just driving for show rather than time. My 2 favorite reviewers driving my 2 favorite cars. This was a special review, thanks!!!
I totally agree with Amine. There was no mention of them having to use the standard GT3 as the RS wasn't yet out. They compared the cost of the cars and said the GT3 was 1/2 the price. Of course it was as it wasn't the RS. Why did they not drop the 458 to the GTB instead of using the Speciale? Why did they not wait for teh GT3RS? Why did they not go back when the RS came out? I think, despite being a huge Ferrari fan, the Porssche came out really well and, had it been properly handicapped, would have been the winner. It was only really the Folly straight at Castle Combe that did save the Ferrari where its additional power and torque gained it a few seconds. Unless Chris is a better driver than Tiff, it seemed to me that the Porsche was much better 'planted' and less nervous trhough the bends than the Ferrari. As the 458 Speciale was the top of the line, track focussed, stripped out Ferrari of that time I wonder if it should not have been pitched against a Porsche GT2RS. I think we all know what the result would have been then.
"If money is not an issue and you desire the ultimate the track day machine that offers reasonable day to day practicality, then it has to be the..." Porsche 911 GT3 RS
like in the other comments. liked and faved right away when i see chris. please keep the guy in the show at least a couple of videos per season fifth gear!
Based on the differences in grip I would bet the Porsche was on track tires and the Ferrari on a summer performance tire. That makes a big difference and gives an unfair/unrealistic advantage. Track test comparisons should always be done on same or very similar tires. I don't care what tires the car is offered with from the manufacturer, almost everyone that would track this sort of cars is going to prep the car with pads and tires at a minimum. And by the same token, anyone that would daily drive cars like these, they are not going to waste a good set of track tires driving in traffic, not to mention that track tires in traffic and in the rain is not a good combination.
Normally, I'd never have any trouble making the decision, just GT3 and be done with it. This is one of the few other cars I'd have had to really think about the choice.
It's so refreshing to see a pair of amazing drivers in a supercar race. Wow this is so much better than other motoring journalism. Tiff and Chris should work together more often, imagine this with the Grand Tour's production quality.
I am a simple man. I see Chris Harris, I press like.
RedheadPapa I do the same with Tiff. Shame I can't press like twice.
Gustavo Maciel
+RedheadPapa
i see a picture of zyzz, i click like
+gingerrr I just have to give props to sincere, passionately articulate driving enthusiasts.
Well said brother. He's a sincere gentlemen in world full of two faced douche bags.
Chris Harris and fifth gear :D this makes perfect sense
I think that a speciale Vs. a GT3 RS would make a bit more sense
+Flashy_Carz I don't know. the RS is much more hardcore then the speciale.
+Thomas E How? they are both hardcore
+Thomas E They are equally hardcore.
Check solomondrin's video. Speciale lost horribly from all the cars , including the RS.. Too bad, cause for me the Speciale is sex on wheels!!! I don't know if was objective test or not , but I believe Speciale showed its age against those "young guns"!!! 488 would have scored differently imo!!
+tommy hatz sorry , I meant salomondrin!!
Wait what? Thought I'd been smoking something! Chris and Tiff?! Then I realized it actually is Chris and Tiff and yes I had been smoking something
***** ^^comment o' the week^^
***kaff, kaff***
***** This is exactly the situation that I find myself in at the moment. Fantastic.
well this happen...
Been waiting for this video since ever. One of the highlights of this season! Tiff + Chris = Highly entertaining.
do speciale vs gt3 RS!!
Paolo Pan This is how it should have been or the GT3 vs the 458
Paolo Pan yes I agree.
this wasn't fair, race the 458 against the turbo S or the new gt3 RS
nah the turbo s and 458 speciale arent in the same class, the gt3 rs vs speciale is what this race shouldve been
I agree!
As the Ferrari is the Speciale (not Italia) surely the comparison test should be the GT3RS!
sorry but i think that's not fair you need a gt3 RS for the speciale
Didn't exist when they filmed this.
Since Porsche always makes an RS version of the GT3 I don't know why they didn't wait for it.
@@YourGodsIcon it a tv show... waiting is not a thing...... they will used the same to shoot another show also but wait... fifth gear suck now... so....
An RS would blow the doors off that 458. Especially with the magnesium wheels. Frankly, this seemed like quite a low-speed track. I don’t think the GT3 could take advantage of its superior downforce capability on this track.
The race was rigged anyway. The way Tiff made that Ferrari sideways was only to slow it down.
Fantastic my two favourite drivers and motoring journos working together in a good old fashion head to head battle! Brilliant, keep them coming!
Finally Chris Harris on fifth gear nice one hope this is permanent :)
Daniel Richardson I think it is great, that Chris has a "proper" platform. Especially now, that Top Gear tanked, Fifth Gear can catch up - especially with an amazing character like Harris.
The only thing is, that Fifth Gear isn't that good for Chris... I always thought, that it is just not as good as Top Gear, the jokes weren't that laughable, and the overall screen writing wasn't as sharp. Chris is coming to an established production team.
He made with /Drive some epic videos. I hope, that he just doesn't only "play" just another guy at Fifth Gear!
Daniel Richardson Totally agree, now just need to work out how I can watch Fith Gear full episodes again!
Dominik MJ personally I don't care about jokes or scripts, Fifth Gear has people who can actually drive which is what I want to see
jimmyhayers Sorry - the news just made my comment before obsolete. Because Harris is now cast of the new Top Gear. We will see, how this works out in the new season...
That Porsche is really planted. Next time, use the RS.
truu
Tiff and Chris... perfect
“ Tiffany”
I’m 60 and this video takes me back at least a decade! Thanks Gentleman!I love these guys…
2 awesome supercars plus 2 great drivers plus 2 great presenters equals 1 awsome video!! Thanks fifth gear. Really enjoyed this eminsley
Look how calm Chris is in the 911 GT3 and how much Tiff is fighting with the Speciale...you can see right there wich is the better car.
+Doar Eu So the GT3 is a better car because it is easier to drive? Pathetic statement (and I'm a Porsche fan)...
+e-hybrid 919LMP1 no, simply because ferrari's mechanical grip is seriously lacking! Has always been my gripe with Ferrari, I've owned a 458 and hated it in compared to my gt2 or mclarens ability to put down the power. The porsche chassis/suspension geometry is better, video shows just that
Martin C What do you mean Ferrari's have less mechanical grip? I admit the Porsche's AWD and AWS give it the advantage, and the chassis/suspension is better (not surprised because German), and I'm a proud Porsche fan and owner but I've have more fun in Ferrari's because of that reason. Porsche's are about serious stuff, lap times, setup. Ferrari's are just about driving pleasure. Speaking of putting down power, I heard from a racing driver named Randy Pobst that the 458 Italia and the F12 Berlinetta put power down quite brilliantly.
e-hybrid 919LMP1 as a previous owner, track guy, club racer and all around enthusiast.. Ferrari's are worst in its class for putting the usable power down to the pavement.. from experience, also. Once you are use to Porsche suspension geometry/chassis and rear engine grip over the rear axle/wheels, its not even a comparison. Ferraris are loose, you can see how much weight transfer there is in the special in this video, the 458 non special is 10x worse with body roll. I hate their magnetic suspension, always nervous and jittery, just like you see with tiff's steering inputs, always a correction! May be fun , however, it slower and inferior :) I like fun, but also a car that can do both and properly setup. My mclaren Mp4 is just like Porsche, SERIOUS mechanical grip (mechanical meaning advance chassis/suspension tuning) to be able to utilize its power properly ! Be well my friend :)
Martin C I've driven Ferrari's and Porsche's many times, I speak from my experiences with both great brands and I have to disagree. The 458 is an excellent car. It puts its power down really well! So does the 911, the 911 slightly puts its power down better. But Ferrari's are a very close 2nd to Porsche. I've driven a McLaren and an AMG, the AMG sucked at putting the power down whereas the McLaren was better but still not as good as Ferrari or Porsche.
Forget GT3 vs 458, I could watch these two throw cars around a track all day... awesome stuff.
I liked the video a lot. The idea was great the execution could and should have been much greater. Tiff and Chris are a great combination. Tiff, Chris harris and the top guy from motor trend (the guy w the beard)would make an incredible car show
Carlos Lago might be the guy you're talking about? He's moved to Edmunds away from Motor Trend, so they say
No I mean Jonny Lieberman - I was too lazy to look him up =)
Now, if Chris were the new Top Gear Host I might just watch it!
Chris: hahaha "Tiffany"!
The best two car testers on RUclips, a joy to watch.
I love how Tiff is the antithesis to "smoothness is key." That guy is straight bonkers and I admire his skill so much. Such a beast tamer!
I really loved watching Tiff and Chris on track with those cars. Amazing and they truly looked like they were having a lot of fun.
Exciting race and great video!
The best two sportscars of today-the best duo of motor journalists today. Superb.Many thanks guys
Shaved a few years of Tiff's life there by the looks of it! Good game boys, keep it coming - this might actually get me to watch 5th Gear.
Always nice to re-visit these awesome drivers and cars 😀
"Your gonna love your new Camry" these ads Trying to ruin my car enthusiast appetite.
The GT3 RS would've won!!!
***** Only in your dreams lol.
***** Nope. The GT3 RS is quite quicker than the GT3. Not to mention the GT3 is heavier and has less power but yet it kept up with the Ferrari. Also, since it is a Ferrari, take out about 50hp and make the suspension less performance oriented and you have a customer Ferrari. Yeah, the Speciale is slower than a car that costs far less and has less performance on paper.
Hear That? Well since you're saying it then it all must be true pffft lmao! Think what you want, I honestly couldn't care less about your opinions. Go bake a cake.
***** Of course it wouldn't. Hehe, Porsche fanboys just can't digest another lose.
Radek Vinš Yup, that's exactly what is the problem here. Ferrari beats porsche (like always) and all the butthurt porcshe fanboys start whining and bitching and making stupid excuses lol. It's really funny actually.
Amazing video guys! Glad to see those two excellent journalists together! ;) I'm not surprised by the result - it's very well known fact that 458 Speciale is faster car on the track (on all circuits in fact) and a much better car overall. Can't beat a Ferrari at what they're doing best in the world. Their track-focused V8 supercars are unmatched, just like the V12 and V8 elite limited hypercars.
Don't forget 360 Challenge Stradale vs 911 GT3, 430 Scuderia vs 911 GT3, 458 Speciale vs 911 GT3 and F40 vs 959, unmatched F50 in 90's together with F1 and Enzo vs Carrera GT. Ferrari have always made a better, more capable and more emotional, driver focused machine.
You can get 2 GT3s for the price of 1 458 Speciale.
Delco S
How about this, 1 GT3 and the rest put down on a beautiful new home.
Delco S Do you realize that the GT3 is faster than the Speciale around various circuits?
Delco S they are more powerful 2x 475 hp is more than 600hp lol.
eeterp32 That's why they said "if money is not an issue"... if someone got cash for 10 458 or 20 911 it doesn't really matter does it?
Delco S as the guy with the audi in the picture I have to say the Ferrari is faster right, but they are track focused cars to have fun on tracks, right? The Porsche does that job just aswell as the 458 IMO, both fill the same Niche in different price sectors.
Interesting. The GT3 still manages to out maneuver the Ferrari in the twisties being a rear-engine car vs the Ferrari a mid-engine car. Says something about Porsche engineering.
Now how about the 488 vs the GT3 RS? :)
Yeah I'd like to see this remake with a GT3 RS and a regular Speciale one would buy at a dealership, not one tuned by Ferrari specifically for the track they used...
+Tuddec The GT3RS is faster than the Speciale,while Shmee150 isn't a car resource he did mention that it was faster than the Speciale in a straight line ;) because they tested it,off camera though.
haha lol tune? you don't even know what tuning means. and for that clueless shmee, he is a grade A ferrari hater and porsche fanboy. Generally, Porsche s suffer the inferiority complex against Ferraris.
Sam Rad He's a Ferrari hater? he just bought a Ferrari FF..fail.
The Opinionator lol, yes, he is a hater in denial. Also, because there aren't Porsche or Mclaren equivalent of FF.
Sam Rad A hater in denial because he bought a Ferrari? Are you even reading what you type?
It should've been the RS...
This was very exciting to watch
Put TIFF into the Porsche and do it again.
IMO the GT3 RS would have been closer, spec wise.
GT3RS would've destroyed the speciale!
2019, still great video, this is what a car show is. Great riders, great characters no bullshit edits and great cars... I love this😍. Shame that you guys dumped tiff 😪
1 more lap and that speciale would've overheated the tires and the gt3 would've taken the win. But then again I think tiff was just driving for show rather than time.
My 2 favorite reviewers driving my 2 favorite cars. This was a special review, thanks!!!
When you realised Tiff is 65 and still drives better than you.
wow
He was a racing driver, why is it a surprise he's still one of the fastest drivers on the planet?
def not one of the fastest, 95 percent of the young blood in racing now would wipe the floor with him.
Wouldn't say the fastest but one of the best and the original top gear driver who could skid like a legend.
Similar to GT3 vs. 458 that we saw May and Hammond do around VIR a few years ago. These guys are better drivers, though.
These guys are having way to much FUN!
Tiff is such a pyscho and Chris brings out the best of his pyschoness haha
Perfect vidéo.
Two favorite sports cars, favorite car show, favorite drivers. Awesome!
Hell yeah! Two of my favorite reviewers in two of the best sports cars ever made!
Wow,so quick scene change and it shows their surprising speed.
Awesome video fellas
This was like watching a good GT race! Happy to see Chris on fifth gear!
these two gents should run the Top Gear...
omid khub agreed and both can drive
Holy shit, Tiff Needell and Chris Harris at the same time!!!
I totally agree with Amine. There was no mention of them having to use the standard GT3 as the RS wasn't yet out. They compared the cost of the cars and said the GT3 was 1/2 the price. Of course it was as it wasn't the RS. Why did they not drop the 458 to the GTB instead of using the Speciale? Why did they not wait for teh GT3RS? Why did they not go back when the RS came out? I think, despite being a huge Ferrari fan, the Porssche came out really well and, had it been properly handicapped, would have been the winner. It was only really the Folly straight at Castle Combe that did save the Ferrari where its additional power and torque gained it a few seconds. Unless Chris is a better driver than Tiff, it seemed to me that the Porsche was much better 'planted' and less nervous trhough the bends than the Ferrari. As the 458 Speciale was the top of the line, track focussed, stripped out Ferrari of that time I wonder if it should not have been pitched against a Porsche GT2RS. I think we all know what the result would have been then.
Where is this mansion? What is its name?
"If money is not an issue and you desire the ultimate the track day machine that offers reasonable day to day practicality, then it has to be the..." Porsche 911 GT3 RS
so much fun to watch this!!
All we need is Jethro Bovingdon thrown in to the mix, televised automotive journalism gold !
i never never never never never seen a pilot as good as mr Needell.... he's clearly one of the best drivers ever
"You flipping, dive-bombing hooligan." Lmao!
its good to see Chris & tiff together
Chris and Tiff! What more do you want! Kudos gentlemen!
Hilarious when Chris called Tiff, Tiffany.
If it was the RS it would be a little closer. I love both but id have the Porsche
Coke adverts are following me around I DONT WANT YOUR BLOODY SUGAR WATER.
I would like a GT3 though.
Chris needs to join the show, what a fantastic duo!
Tiff the hero. I mean im a big fan of Chris but look at the old man going hooligan even at that age. His competitiveness is most inspiring
Porsche 911, best car in the world pound per pound. Porsche for the win!
";-)
TONY Porsche make curves!! Really sports
Chris and Tiff in one video? Great idea - why didn't I think of that?
They should go on every few episodes with the the best supercars head to head
brilliant, on the limit driving Tiff!
Tiff is a little cheessy but like him better than Clarkson's offensive ass thats for sure. Chris Harris is awesome! Great dogfight!
I found the PC keyboard warrior.
The driving skills of Chris Harris are awsome, but it´s so sexy how the ferrari go sideways and the 458 speciale is a soundmachine, breathtaking.
They should be hosting top gear
This video was freakin awesome.
What would make more sense is a Gt3 RS vs speciale or italia.
Coincidentally Richard and James own the GT3 and 458 Speciale repsectively. Would love to see them battle in their cars.
like in the other comments. liked and faved right away when i see chris. please keep the guy in the show at least a couple of videos per season fifth gear!
The Gt3 RS would be Mord interesting. Less weight but more HP would have had a good Chance. Anyway, Chris and Tiff is a pleasure to watch:D
I like the way Harris nicknamed Needell as Tiffany...
Two crazy performance cars being driven by professional lunatics! How can a day get any better?
This isn't a fair comparison. The 911 GT3 starting price is around $145,000. The Ferrari 458 Speciale starting price is $298,000.
I got goose bumps watching reel drivers doing a reel track battle
They HAVE to rerun this race with the GT3RS!
I knew Chris was coming eventually. He kind of said it on Joe Rogan's podcast months ago.
Youve got to do a fair test with either a gt3 &458 or gt3rs&458 Speciale. That would be more professional and decisive.
the Ferrari has so much drama in it
Yea a supercar shud be all about driving experience n drama
Yea a supercar shud be all about driving experience n drama
Best episode I have ever seen!
wich track is that??
458: Lol bye
P1: Oi m8 fight me
458: nvm
These two work really well together. Id actually be excited for Top Gear if it was just these two.
this race was exciting maaan!!
Anyone know the music at 1:12?
that.. was... AWESOME!!!!
Behind the wheel, the two best!
Fifth Gear is way more honest than Top Gear in its reviews..
chris and tiff on fifth gear.. is this heaven?
Harris and Needle's (lol) in the same on video! More, more...MOOOOAAAARRRR!
Why turning down all controls?
that was intense as fuck, tiffs a amazing driver he was really fighting the car
Based on the differences in grip I would bet the Porsche was on track tires and the Ferrari on a summer performance tire. That makes a big difference and gives an unfair/unrealistic advantage. Track test comparisons should always be done on same or very similar tires. I don't care what tires the car is offered with from the manufacturer, almost everyone that would track this sort of cars is going to prep the car with pads and tires at a minimum.
And by the same token, anyone that would daily drive cars like these, they are not going to waste a good set of track tires driving in traffic, not to mention that track tires in traffic and in the rain is not a good combination.
Credit to Tiff for staying on the limit even though the car was bullying him around a bit
Please do Ferrari 488GTB vs Mclaren 675LT vs Porsche 911 GT3 RS!
+selim türkel you can't compare the 488 to those other two...
Normally, I'd never have any trouble making the decision, just GT3 and be done with it. This is one of the few other cars I'd have had to really think about the choice.