I accidentally forgot Nightmare Mangle, so here's a brief addendum: Nightmare Mangle is one of the Nightmares from Fnaf 4 Halloween update, replacing Nightmare Foxy. They also appeared in UCN, where you have to buy their plush to get them to back off. They don't really have any lore relevance that I know of, but that does add an extra Mangle appearance and in the UCN roster.
This is probably too late but, You missed one very important fact about Funtime Foxy that became the mangle. Something that bothered me across the entire FNAF franchise is this: Why is Nobody talking about Mangle? Thing is, Mangle, for seemingly no reason, has information we don't. Every single game rises a new mystery about them. FNAF2? They imply information about the bite of 87. FNAF3? Why are they there? Its just odd and implies things about the protagonist of the game to have hallucinated that specific cast, albeit this case is not about mangle in specific. FNAF4? Their existance implies that FNAF2 and FNAF4's mid-day minigames happen simultaneously in some level or otherwise, or atleast the original opening of FNAF2's Location. Why is mangle Already The Mangle and not Funtime foxy then? And why does the mangle show up in the sister's room? And the same issue as FNAF3 but this time the nightmare version can be explained non-canon. FNAF5/SL? You already covered the mess of Funtime Foxy as a name UCN? Why does Mangle know about The One You Shouldn't Have Killed? Sure, maybe all of them do but, Mangle is one of the very few animatronics that was somewhat "Real" that is aware of them. The rest who mention that name are likely creations of the thing, except Withered Chica. This implies Mangle might be a lot older than FNAF2's location. Why is it that this specific animatronic has such...weird lore placement? Its been there every game except the first and SL, which FNAF1 came before mangle even was a thing and SL literally added another completely unrelated Funtime Foxy who MIGHT be related MIGHT be unrelated entirely??? ??? You did cover bits of these, but missed that mangle is specifically weird and has so many appearances, and it always had something to say that nobody really considered all that intensely besides the FNAF2 and FNAF4 situations.
The idea of a spider-like animatronic like Mangle just freaks me out. Mangle can go everywhere and anywhere and won’t stop hunting the player down. It’s haunting.
Regular mangle is just a broken pile of mangled parts, but since mangle is possessed by a child they can move around like a spider. All the toy animatronics seem to defy their code and normal functions due to possession, but everyone forgets.
Same with Enerd. The idea/concept and the outplay just doesn't connect. Mangle generally is more terrifying than ANY OTHER GOD DAMN ANIMATRONIC out there because of the way they could move/interact with the player
It’s clear just from looking at them that Funtime Foxy and Toy Foxy are not the same, it’s like saying Bonnie and Toy Bonnie are the same because they’re Blue Rabbits. The FT model has segmented plating while the Toy model is made of singular plates, not to mention other visual distinctions. Mangle has the Toy era animatronic technology while FT Foxy is in line with the other hyper advanced funtimes.
Plus their internals are entirely different, not even remotely close. The Funtime line has prehensile wires, woven together to fit the shape of their casings, with no major endoskeletal components acting as structure that we know of (even if some larger solid components also do exist within them, in some cases) - Ennard has a few, but that is likely based more on them not having a casing to work with, so they needed _something_ to base the shape off of and wind the first few around. Conversely, the Toy line has conventional and universal endoskeletons which support their casings loosely, with a few key structural points, instead. And the Funtime casings appear to be made of metal, whereas the Toys appear to be plastic, although arguments have been made for both being ceramic which do hold some potential merit but it is hard to say for sure.
@@ultmateragnarok8376 Exactly. The theory that they are the same has a foundation of water and the only evidence in support of it is a non canon book which I’m pretty sure only included it after the theory became popular just for the sake of including it.
I’ve always had the personal- well, i guess it’s not quite a theory so much as a headcanon, that mangle was a funtime prototype. No clue if that would even remotely fit in the story, but i’m too attached to it to let it go lmao
@@kaiserreichempireofohio834It does take place before FNAF 2, that’s a known fact. Sister Location is the sequel to FNAF 4 and set in roughly 1983, similar to FNAF 4
I loved mangle. They were just so terrifying. Once in your office they wouldn't leave and would randomly kill you. My theory is that funtime foxy is simultaneously two and one animation. Like both Henry and William had an idea for funtime foxy and both made their own version. Henry's version went to the fnaf2 location but kept getting taken apart and needed parts from the one from the sister location. This explains the two personalities. The William side is more cruel and pessimistic. The Henry side is actually a child haunting it.
That’s actually a really interesting theory, what if all the toys are Henry’s version of the Funtimes? Not sure how that would fit into the timeline, but I’m really glad you got me thinking about it
@@whenthemoon it would explain why there's no Bonnie and Chica at the sister location because it's theorized that William designed ballora after his wife and baby after his daughter. I think timeline wise the sister location was open first but the animatronics didn't have the child killing stuff in them yet. That changed in 1983 after Evan died. This caused William to kill Charlie and then she possessed the puppet which caused him to notice the freddy suit slightly possessed. This made William curious and he revamped the funtime animatronics to be more dangerous and he added new additions like baby and ballora. Of course after his daughter died, Henry split from William to go back to his child friendly roots away from and opened a new separate location. His version of funtime foxy was popular, but kids are cruel and it needed constant repair. Some of the staff probably mistakenly ordered parts from the sister location (not knowing it was a seperate business and William was to be kept away from the company) during the repairs before giving up on it. After a careless emoloyee had ordered parts, William now knew the new location of Henry's store and decided to murder a bunch of kids using a spare suit in the back which caused the toy animatronics to become more aggressive and leads to the bite of 87.
@@RandoSando. I love this theory so much, I’m glad you took the time to type it all out. I love the bit about how William would’ve found Henry’s location and started killing kids there, it feel like it adds some character to the two of them in some odd way. I really love theories that flesh out the world like that so this is going into my personal head canon for sure
Imagine how terrible it is for the spirit inside mangle, for a child to have to be ripped apart and put back together by other children over and over, being killed cruelly and then essentially put into a hellish existence of having other children, maybe some of whom you were once friends with, who have know ideas they are torturing you, rip you apart and reconstruct you wrong, and what’s worse is that it is quite possible there are two children in mangle, going through it together.
Sort of an allegory if you compare it to CC/Evan and how, not only were they told that they would be put back together again, but also that CC/Evan suffered from continuous loss in his life that broke him over and over. Just like mangle, there’s only so many times you can break and be put back together again before you stay broken and unfixable.
I can't imagine how Funtime Foxy and Mangle are the same. Their mask shapes and builds are entirely different. It still confuses me why the hell Scott named the unmangled form as "Funtime Foxy", instead of "Toy Foxy" which... Like surely that would be the logical name.
Well Toy Foxy doesn't really fit since Mangle doesn't look much like Foxy like the other Toys looking like their original counterparts, Funtime Foxy being used for Mangle before they were mangled makes sense here atleast at the time of FNAF 2. I'd see Toy Foxy being used as a name if Mangle or Fnaf 2 Funtime Foxy had the color scheme or one similar to Foxy.
@blossomthebunny5816 I mean, *Toy* Foxy was made specifically for FNAF 2 but then scrapped afterwards If It was recovered and used by Afton Robotics to make Funtime Foxy, why not do the same with the other Toys?
It’s sad. I feel that both beings within The Mangle have PTSD and one denies it’s situation and the other embraces it. I hope we learn more about the character’s backstories
when they mentioned one head pretending that what happened was a good thing and one being traumatized my first thought was DID. especially if mangle is possessed by one of afton's victims. since the fox head says that they don't regret what happened to make them "the fox they are today", the child's soul might have developed DID from the repeated violence of being killed - in a way that likely severed limbs - and then being dismembered by the children in an act of abuse that probably felt similar to afton's lack of remorse or empathy as he killed them. the bare head would be the part of the system that took the brunt of the abuse while the fox head was distant and protected, which is why they complain somewhat lightheartedly about their limbs falling off and the children's treatment of them while the bare head sees what happened for the painful experience it was and either refuses the fox's desire to go back or shuts down emotionally and goes nonverbal from the trauma - thus its lack of voicelines about limbs falling off.
@nottheredelilah3757 Their dynamic remind me of the myth/trope of 2 guards, one tells nothing but the truth and the other nothing tells nothing but lies.
I've always found Mangle to be probably the most interesting haunted animatronic (not counting Charlotte and Cassidy because they're apart) in the franchise as a character
The design styles of funtime foxy and mangle are very different. You can easily tell if a machine was designed by William, Henry, or both of them together, just by looking at it's configuration. A quick look at mangle's Endoskeleton and Funtime foxy's makes the difference clear as day. mangle is a direct evolution from the withered, sharing the suit-support rings around the chassis, making them a product of Fazbear entertainment. Funtime foxy shares the same weird piping skeleton style as the other Funtimes, making him a product of Afton's creation alone.
I have a theory that Mangle's memory/remnant got transfered over to Roxy in Security Breach. they share the same vanity about looks, as if she's finally beautiful as she always wanted to be. now a star along with the others on stage. she also has a Funtime Foxy/Mangle hidden in her room, making the connection stronger. PS: Monty could be connected to Toy Bonnie based on his dialog as well, they both say how they're the star and is much better than others. Chika likes to eat, not much of a surprise there. Funtime Freddy could be Sun and Moon now, flipping between two different characters in one body.
I always thought the second head was the parrot on the shoulder of the pirate funtime foxy. I didn't really play AR but hearing those voice lines feels like confirmation, almost. As if the original show they performed was foxy would say something cheerful, and the parrot would make a sinde joke. It would go along with parallels to irl pizza chains, too
God, i wish more animatronics would get more attention/lore than just the 4 original ones or ones related to Afton. Like, why can't characters like Ballora, Mangle, and hell, even BB get more stuff
Ah the Mango. Easily one of my favorites in the entire franchise. Some small details about their appearance in special delivery that make that even more tragic is that you can get an email talking about their construction and more specifically that they were literally built to have pieces constantly falling off. Another neat (and cruel) detail in SB is that you can actually find a physical version of the build a mangle in the pizzaplex which combined with the unused model and the ignored scrapping sounds in the vents mentioned in the logs makes it seem like Mango might have had a big role in sb or at least a more direct cameo. Some other Another detail thats more head canony is in that anime foxy thingy from ucn foxy does specifically call Mango “the dog” which did make me wonder if they were actually a doggo afterall. Another one thats really weird is the toy mango in the fnaf4 minigames which along with the other toys of the toys just makes that game’s position a massive headache even now. Another is their weird police radio thingy from fnaf2 where I think I hear voices talking about someone getting hurt and not doing too good but audio stuff like that can be especially subjective. The final part which unfortunately the blob does kinda ruin but I adore the concept so much for maximum knife twisting is that Roxy is at least one of Mango’s heads. Which makes her being made into road kill and have her parts robbed from her just extra cruel. Another part thats even more head canony comes from the freddy files that security breach got where it clarified that in the cutscene where roxy does a derp and jumps in front of the car she wasn’t actually going for the gremlin but was trying to attack the car. Which made me think of susie’s doggo in the fruity maze minigame that was definitely road killed. With the explanation for her going after the car instead of the gremlin being that she stills remembers the trauma of being flattened by one and now has an uncontrollable hatred towards all motor vehicles (but thats again mostly head canon because that stupid blob)
As a general rule, i tend to ignore the existence of the blob for the sake of my own sanity and the safety of those around me, so I’m officially adopting this head canon. I already liked Roxy before, but her being part of Mangle makes her even more interesting to me. I love all the little details you included, I love me a good tragic animatronic. Also, “Ah, the Mango.” made me laugh
I mean steel wool did so its completely fair. Literally because roxy bugged out and didn’t let on the fight get the black licorice coming out the pipes part. I also missed the blob on the way in because I got the cutscene right away of falling down, I didn’t even know what the blob was for at least a month just that a funtime head popped up and snagged the peepaw
I think the books just suffered from another good dose of 'the artists screwed up'. Sure, Funtime Foxy might've looked mangled after he got himself banged up but I don't think there's any way he'd come out of it looking exactly like Mangle. It just doesn't line up. So many things would be a lot clearer if Scott simply cared more about who he hired to do the art for these books, and that's without bringing the whole controversy surrounding the artists themselves.
Mangle remains my #1 Bite Of '87 suspect, adding another layer of importance to his/her character. I suppose a game taking place at some time between the 1990's and 2020's could still use Mangle as originally intended, or a back to the basics reboot.
The Bite of 87 victim was most likely an adult, and the only bots that would attempt to restrain an adult during the day are the toys. Mangle has a custom jaw that isn't like the others', so it totally makes sense.
She even has police chatter that refers to it. Fun fact Scott literally bought it and turned it into the story; he’s a genius. Shh…… We don’t talk about his dogshit writing
Ever since FNAF 2, I was always attached to Mangle, it's like I related to them alot. through out the years, I always felt I was an mangled mess people just take apart and put back together so I understand Mangles situation and the trauma they went through by the children. children can be ruthless even if they don't know any better.
In Fnaf 2 they also put Mangle in the Ladies Night challenge in contrast with phone guy referring to it as male which was the original source of the confusing
That and the design given the time period. Doubt a late 80's pizzeria chain would design their male animatronic to be pink with big lashes and lipstick.
@peeblekitty5780 when you compare the fixed design of toy foxy to the male toys it has a male design, it has a chubby body which only the males have, it has a bow tie which only the males have, and the male toys have long eyelashes as well, also mangle is a clown last time I checked clowns typically have red makeup on their lips, imo it's always been male but I refer to it as it so I don't have to argue with the "BuT iTs A gIrL" people, only thing that made it confusing for me was when they finally gave it a clearly female voice
@@blazephoenix5849 OG and Withered Chica also have chubby/blocky bodies like the male animatronics in their rosters. Bonnet has a bow tie. Every toy animatronic has rosy cheeks, and only ambiguous or confirmed female animatronics such as Roxanne, Glamrock Chica, and Ballora have lipstick. It lacks other clown characteristics such as a red nose or clown shoes (like we see on Baby), which would be intact on the foot but instead it's bare and has pink nail polish. The hook it was depicted with in the teasers and in FNAF World's Funtime Foxy + the location name "kid's cove" would indicate pirate akin to OG Foxy as opposed to clown. Not saying it's definitely female, since at this point it's just a meme (Mangle's gender is yes because funny) but it's not like there's no basis for considering it female either. Personally, its design (or what it would have been before being mangled) always struck me as one of those "cartoonists excessively gender a female variant of an existing animal character by giving it pink colors and big lashes and lipstick" a la Arlene from Garfeield.
@Tauroost he was definitely referring to Mangle in that call "They tried to remake Foxy, ya know? Uh, they thought the first one was too scary, so they redesigned him to be more 'kid-friendly' and put HIM in Kid's Cove. To keep the toddlers entertained, you know... But kids these days just can't keep their hands to themselves. The staff literally had to put Foxy back together at the end of every shift. So eventually they stopped trying and left HIM as some kind of 'take apart, put back together' attraction. Now HE'S just a mess of parts. I think the employees refer to HIM as just 'the Mangle." The only him in that statement that's about withered foxy is the first one where he says they redesigned him.
The allegory of Mangle using the mask to hide from the horrors of the cove is actually awesome. I've never looked at mangle like that, but it actually makes he like him/her more.
@@ShadowLightHeart yeah,I believed that just like I believed the coma theory,gosh everywhere you look and read there's a theory about about all the characters we know and mostly love are dead or in a coma with the whole thing being a dream.
It makes sense that the two souls could be of the girl from the fruit minigame from Pizzeria Simulator and her dog, both killed by William Afton and forever stuck in the same robotic shell.
I've always thought the second head of Mangle was originally a parrot, which I think works really works with the new voice lines. It also makes the fact that Mangle, who presumably has control of the paws, lets the parrot keep one of her eyes so they can both see, hit that much harder.
I had no idea the Mangle got a personality update in FNAF AR! Makes me so sad that I didn’t jump on the bandwagon while it was there; the game itself seems so fun, I was just burnt out on the series when it came out :(( I adore that the second head was an independent mind though, the main head’s denial is actually a rare accurate depiction of how trauma can affect a person (or in this case, sentient robot?). While the second head sees the traumatic events for what they are and is reacting violently towards those memories, a lot of people’s reactions can be toxic positivity towards traumatic events, like trying to see the silver lining despite the fact that they were hit by lightning. Denying that those events hurt you/broken you is a lot easier than accepting that the event permanently affected your psyche. Awesome video! I adore the Mangle and even though their funko plushie isnt a fan favorite I bought their big version for 30$ because I love them so much 🤣🤣🤣 I have to show my support for my favorite sad fox robo
I've always considered Mangle to be based on Funtime Foxy, or vise versa, just a rebrand. Just like how I always figured Golden Freddy is a rebranded Fredbear to fit in more with Freddy being the new face of Fazbear Entertainment after Fredbear's Family Diner.
Love this content you’re quite diverse in how you focus on the characters mostly and it creates a great diversity in you’re content compared to the average theory channel
I remember back when I was around 13-15 y/o and saw Mangle for the first time, and how I instantly just related and empathized with it. Even to this day, and with everything going on with Mangle nowadays, they're still one of my favorite characters.
Your voice is super calming, and I love the dialtown lofi. I don't really know what direction fnaf can go in at this point, I hope they just drop the afton stuff and let Vanny take the stage I guess? Great video on Mangle
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Hey there! To add to what the other person said, is it possible that you could do a video about what you personally feel would be some good ways the series could continue? You kinda already have, throughout your work, but I think it would be interesting to hear it all in one video. Either way, I'm enjoying your content a lot!
My theory is that Mangle was the Toy animatronic version of Foxy and when William saw how popular it was with the children he was inspired to make the Funtimes and a hint to this is that Mangle like the other Toy animatronics only has 4 fingers and 3 toes as opposed to the Funtimes who have 5 fingers and 4 toes
Mangle and FF might just be different renditions of the same character within the company. We know that Afton Robotics has the rights to make a character named Freddy, as well as Chica, so this is probably what’s up with Mangle. It doesn’t really explain the voices, but it doesn’t have two if we assume that Afton Robotics can act independently from Fazbear Ent. This was a cool video!
@@andrew_the_artist Looking at pictures now, I think this makes the most sense. Toy Chica seems to have completely taken the ‘base eyeballs’ out, whereas Mangle and Toy Freddy still have them in. That does beg the question though, who’s eye is that next to Mangle? Can’t exactly put a full eyeball on another full eyeball, I’d imagine that the ‘covers’ would be a thinner plastic
@@peeblekitty5780 See, I thought the same for a long time, but when you look closely you can actually see that there _is_ a physical eye in there. I can’t remember who pointed it out to me, but it always struck me as an odd design choice. It only started making sense when I looked at Toy Freddy again and saw that he had the same thing going on
@@draw2death421 Personally I think the Male part of Mangle is possesed by Susie's dead dog while the Female part of Mangle is possesed by a girl who was a friend of Susie. In my opinion
what makes mangle so special to me is that its not just a forgettable variant thats just sligthly different to foxy,its its own character,im so glad they called it mangle instead of toy foxy,i also like how scott never agnoledged mangle's gender wich made the fans even more interested in this animatronic.(yeah mangle is my fav animatronic how did you guess)
Since fnaf 2, mangle was always my favorite animatronic, their design it's amazing, I love how they look like a robotic spider, and how in the cameras they are always hanging from the ceiling just staring at the player it's just so scary to me. I also really like what they did with them in help wanted, all his phases are so memorable, like the vent repair section or the "build mangle" minigame from the curse of dreadbear. Another thing I really like about mangle in fnaf help wanted is their animations, because it looks so good seeing Mangle climbing through the walls and vents
I know it’s not directly related, but I looked at your channel, and for 10 years up until recently you’ve uploaded basically gameplay videos, and have shifted your content to game discussion which is extremely impressive, Also it was very brave of you to drop the robot voice in favour for your real one, which definitely improved your content as well, keep it up.
Thank you kindly! Both the commentary and the voice were kind of a 'just take the plunge' thing, so I'm glad they're actually working. ^_^ I'll still do gameplay in the future probably, but this feels good.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 My suggestion (and I'm sorry for all these comments tonight. Rewatching your new videos, since I can't sleep) would be to maybe livestream the SB DLC? Or maybe do an LP? If I can be 100% honest, the Algorithm is really pushing your stuff the past few weeks, so I hope you keep getting your flowers! You've earned 'em!
I remember the first time when I saw mangles design and how it creeped me out so much. 😭 like idk how kids played “putting together” with it. But mangle really is neat. And they look really cool. And even if they weren’t used as much as people would want them to be, I think they served their time well enough. Good video as always!
Mangle always scared the crap out of me as a kid, I was always afraid she was gonna swing down from the overhead fan in the dining room at night. On retrospect, the fact that there was Not an overhead fan in the dining room probably should’ve helped alleviate that fear a bit.
i really feel like mangle HAS to mean more than just "they are popular so they reappear" because they KEEP APPEARING AGAIN and the hanging mangle is so friggin bizarre that's just crazy
In UCN She has both genders because of the heads. The toy Foxy head is a female And the Endo is a male. Meaning that Mangle can be possesed by 2 people The One that died on the bite of 87 and the One that killed the victim of 1987 Lets not forget,the voices have echos A male echo and a female echo Funtime foxy and Mangle arent the same because of their endoskeleton.
Personally I think the Male part of Mangle is possesed by Susie's dead dog while the Female part of Mangle is possesed by a girl who was a friend of Susie. In my opinion
always been obsessed with mangle ever since FNAF2, I was just fascinated by its appearance and the unique way it navigated the world. the thing LITERALLY climbs on the walls and ceilings of the pizzeria like a goddamn SPIDER, which is still a trait that is unique to Mangle due to their.. non-traditional appearance. being so captivated by how strange and unique their appearance is and speculating on the way they moved, acted or even thought, among a few other inspirations as a kid, is what got me into drawing. also, absolute gender goals, we love a non-binary icon, we stan Mangle in this household.
My headcanon is that Mangle has 2 souls- twins- brother and sister. This would explain the pronoun swapping and the 2 voices, plus I just think an animatronic being possessed by twins is interesting.
Personally I think the Male part of Mangle is possesed by Susie's dead dog while the Female part of Mangle is possesed by a girl who was a friend of Susie. In my opinion
Another great character analysis! I believe I may have mentioned this in the past but I’d also like to repeat it so I can elaborate more on it. An analysis on Freddy Fazbear himself is something I’ve wanted to see for a while now. It’s made me so salty that the franchise is named after him, yet he hardly plays any major role in any of them besides the original game. I think an analysis + maybe a section about making Freddy more relevant in certain games (FNaF 2, FNaF 4, etc.) would make for a killer analysis video from you! Keep up the great work as usual!
I never minded that Freddy wasn’t a focus character. I mean it’s called “five nights at Freddy’s” but I always thought there more of an importance to you being a nightguard whos in this kids place with haunted animatronics. Not Freddy himself. Though, I’m sure both can be true at the same time if Scott went about it like that. Cause I mean.. story was a thing already happening in this franchise. So something like.. You, being a security guard watching over the place. And also us the audience finding out in mini games about the spirit that inhabites the animatronics. Ex: Freddy. Some shit like that probably lol. I’m sure someone else can make something better up. 😂 Would’ve been cool to see though ngl.
I found that odd too, especially in fnaf 1 where he is very Smart, creepier and more aggresive than the others, i assumed he was maybe the first one killed (before ucn) and that's why he was so dangerous, he had been more time suffering, but i Guess Scott didn't want that since the beginning (Fredbear's Family Dinner is mentioned in fnaf 2 as a more obscure place)
@@soomi5667 Sure you could always give Freddy some lore relevance or you could also give him gameplay relevance as well like he had in FNaF 1. That way you can keep the central characters like Springtrap and the Puppet, etc. while still having Freddy as the main threat you go up against during the game rather than the looming antagonist of the whole story. Though I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing Freddy be handled that way. I’d wager both him and Fredbear deserve the relevancy they were stripped of in later installments.
@@OutOfNameIdeas819 Oh yeah, I'm sure he definitely could've been given some more lore relevance or relevance in general. Kinda like how you mentioned with springs and puppet. And good to know my idea of it isn't too bad haha 😆 And they definitely do! Though I do think they probs became less relevant because the story sterred into a different direction (around 5-6) and they weren't really relevant anymore but, I'm sure there could've been a way to go about it Though, tbh when it comes to Fredbear specifically, I always wanted to know more about freadbears family diner. It just intrigues me a lot. who knows.. maybe they'll do something with it in the future. But that's probably not a possibility lol.
My theory is that Mangle and Fun Time Foxy are part of the same line of animatronics but they’re two different builds. I remember during Fnaf 2 I assumed that Mangle (before being ripped apart) was a Toy Foxy but had some kind of parrot explaining why it has a second head. Which would work if it’s meant to be a toy version of Foxy. Plus it would work as a two thing duo where ones optimistic and ones cynical.
You know what doesn't help the argument? SL's Funtime Foxy has both male and female lines in the files, don't recall which files mind you, aside from that there's also Scott's desire to tinker with designs so Mangle looking different to Funtime Foxy even if they're intended to be the same character can't easily be disproven by the differences unless Scott says otherwise or the games make it crystal clear. That aside I've always liked Mangle and always thought of them as neat. Edit: furthermore I like what they've done with Mangle thus far, they're vague but also on the nose and it's just generally fun, I do wish they'd get a break from the seemingly mandatory appearance every few games though.
Now with the context, the mangle is a very deep character with symbolism. It all makes sense. The mask of which holds the Fox like mask, “masks” it’s reality with figment of delusion while the other doesn’t have a mask who speaks the blunt truth.
The Mangle has been my favorite animatronic since I first saw them, as a kid I liked their design and was, ironically, the most scared of them. Something about carried sentience that is actively falling apart and desperately trying to hold on to what was has always interested me. Also, I've never heard those AR voice lines before! it sheds a whole new light on their character. Thank you for the insight, this video has done an amazing job. (btw, you forgot one appearance -- the Monty golf course in the arcade game in SB ;D /j)
Actually, the graphic novel made a bit of a miscommunication.😅 In the original novel, Funtime Foxy merely changed their look into a form that highly resembled the original Mangle. They still kept their segmented face plates and such, but it was not EXACTLY the same. The graphic novel artist made an error and instead made the transformation turn F. Foxy into a direct copy of Mangle.
Something we need to consider is the fact that, if Funtime Foxy and Mangle are the same animatronic, then FF lived a gigantic trauma (both physical and psychologic) to turn into Mangle. That's actually a very good motive to sound different, as FF sounds like a confident ringleader and Mangle sounds like a traumatized child. Mangle, as a character, is extremely vulnerable in all ways, tries to validates herself ("I'm beautiful..." is that insecurity?), and at the same time, as her lines and minigame suggest, has an extreme phobia of exactly who she is supposed to entertain: Children. So, piled in all her vulnerability, she's stuck into a "job" that needs to be, every day, in close contact with the one thing she fears the most. Remember the rule "you can't touch Freddie"? Mangle didn't had that luxury. Imagine having that job with extreme pedophobia... So, opposite of the older generation of animatronics, who believed children were pure and adults were evil, Mangle saw the worst of hunanity on children. So, if both adults and children were evil, is there any human being she could put any trust? Mangle, in my opinion, is one of the most tragic characters in FNAF, even when she wants to kill you, maybe because we can totally understand her reasons.
The mangle's out for you Take a bite out of you It's climbing upside down There's nothing you can do It's not out for revenge Just want to have some fun But mangle's got some friends We're gonna get it done
For the Funtime Foxy thing, I think Henry and William both made a version, the version in the 1987 Freddy's (aka Mangle) was nade by Hnery and thwe CB's one was made by William, obvioysly.
I feel like mangle could become a main villain soon. I mean, they're in the blob. Imagine them taking it over and making a massive mangle boss in a future game.
If Mangle does become a big antagonist, I really hope that they come up with a better design than ‘entirely too flexible pile of what vaguely resembles robot parts’. Reminds me of how the fandom would almost solely draw her as a head and bow tie with an ever expanding grey spaghetti body. It was iconic in that ‘The Mangle Song’ animation and fanart, but in the games? The blob is a huge disappointment design-wise imo
Mangle is "Toy Foxy". Toy Foxy and Funtime Foxy are compleatly diferent in all ways except colour theme. this is 120% Scott trolling as with the he/she for Mangle. someone saw they looked simular and got the community to latch on and Scott ran with it
The one thing I can never drip about mangle is wanting all of their variations as a pet because they're all so cute to me and so loveable even if murderous or dangerous 😂
I Never Cried More In My Life Then In 2014 For Mangle. Mangle Will Always Be My Favorite Character, Especially Nightmare Mangle. This Analysis Was So Interesting!
That old FNaF World image, with Mangle hanging from a noose, has always stuck with me. Such a weird, cryptic image, with the accusatory text and heavy visual noise over it, and it does show that dark and grim theme that the games had before that - and, it showed that Scott still knew full well how to make a terrifying atmosphere from simple concepts. Whether this character, an entity ripped limb from limb more times than any could count, did that itself or whether someone else did it, it remains as such. As for dear Mangos herself, there's always been a lot of theories and special places for the character in most people's minds and hearts. The two heads and simultaneous use of pronouns, compounded by the voice lines from FNaF AR/SD, gave a lot of credence to that theory of two souls, and the design itself is so incredibly unique that it will always remain a memorable character in the series. One thing I will say FNaF 2 did with Mangle was underutilization. Sure, the bits where he's splayed across walls and ceilings, showing up in weird spots no one else can get to, are cool but he has the same model between each night. As evidenced by the phone calls and dates and papers and what not, during FNaF 2 we play as a guard while the location is open - first, as any random guard, and by now as literal-rotting-corpse-who-makes-at-least-three-successful-job-interviews. Whatever the case, Mangle is taken apart and remade into a new form every day, and yet we don't see any evidence of that. It's always four legs, two with bare endo feet, one with a covered foot and one with a hand; a standard and unmodified hip and chest endo portion; a weird tail-base piece; three arms, two of which are four segments long and one of which is two segments long; and of course two left hands and the two heads, with a single set of eyes between them (and no ear mounts on the bare endo skull which I'll always find a bit odd). Oh, and a bowtie, just because. This is actually pretty common - the Phantom variant, the model in Help Wanted, of course every night in FNaF 2, and a few others... Adventure Mangle, the one in World, is actually fairly different. Three legs, with one hand, one bare endo foot and one foot bearing a casing, are still present, but the portions around the shoulders are rather different, with a single three-segment right arm holding the covered head and both the endo head and other left hand (although I think this variant's lower hand _is_ a right hand, actually) on single-segment arms attached to the neck, rather than the hand's wrist being directly on the neck and the endo head on a shorter arm mashed into the right shoulder joint. There's also the rather unique choice of that long, extremity-less left arm being instead a single-segment leg bearing the other endo foot as well as a two-segment arm, although Adventure Mangle also appears to only have leg segments rather than the very distinct frame-like arm segments of the FNaF 2 endos... which only ever applied to the Withered. The roaming endo, Mangle, and the Withered share an endoskeleton, which the other Toys do not - they hardly have any at all, although I do like to think that perhaps the slimmed-down FNaF 1 variant is closer to what the Toys have. Whatever the case, this arrangement never usually changes, and I feel like both it and Mangle's gameplay style should, each night - though FNaF 2 has never had the most nuanced gameplay to begin with, when there's only three major character types and only five or six total unique forms of interaction at all, depending on if that lone bare endo not interacting at all is considered 'an interaction' with you as the guard. Could've been a lot more memorable, albeit the focus would've moved to Mangle a lot - but this is a unique character, with unparalleled mobility in tight spaces and a constantly changing anatomy, so it would make sense to have that. Plenty of fangames do the same, from ones such as the popular JR's making Mangle the main threat that the game builds up to, because it's a concept that simply has little limit for size beyond what could logically be sourced and cannibalized into it; to smaller games such as Fazbear Entertainment: Storage, which is one of my personal favorites and has nearly every character using unique mechanics, although Mangle's is so far out that three whole new systems are added to the game just for her - temperature, ventilation cameras, and doors operated from the cameras - as well as mainline games such as Help Wanted, FNaF 3 and SB all making note of Mangle as one of the most iconic and versatile characters in the series. Hell, even the books come back to him - perhaps not Fazbear Frights, in spite of its namesake (with the apostrophe and 's' removed and moved, respectively, but still the origin) doing so, but instead the novels - includes a take on Mangle. Sure, it's a completely different version of the character, being a hybrid Funtime animatronic purpose-built to mimic what Mangle was, but it's still a testament to the character's popularity that even in a whole series of books which excludes the Toys altogether (save for a cameo from BB, of all things) Mangle is still brought back elsewhere. As for the variant in the books specifically - no, the carousel is the end granted to the weird, yellow-eyed and two-handed Blacktime Freddy variant. He gets lured beneath it and then the character he's chasing, I believe it's Carlton, goes and turns it on. This being an indoor thrill ride, where it spins at high speeds while it tilts and raises and lowers, it tears even a massive metal bear to shreds. Conversely, the take on Mangle/Funtime Foxy (I'll call it Blacktime Mangle, for continuity to the line of animatronics) is a completely different entity who never encounters that. It is able to, at will, unfold and collapse all of its external plating save for the head (although presumably the head can as well, since it retains the Funtime faceplates), and its internals are an absolute mess, being all limbs of different types. Unlike the Funtimes, it has internal endoskeleton limbs - albeit far longer than the usual form - and unlike Mangle, both its heads have all their eyes, and are even noted to face each other so it can see as it's only being controlled by a single soul, seemingly the one within Chica (there's a character noted to be a 'little girl' who controls it at one point while we're getting a glimpse behind the scenes at how they work) who is able to do so due to Afton's remnant antics. Whatever the case, its other details also persist - it is _not_ Mangle, as it has far, far more limbs and its bare endo head additionally hangs on springs rather than being directly attached to a limb. It's defeated by the characters luring it into a set of suspended play tunnels, which themselves are ridiculous (hardly able to hold a teen or young adult so multiple kids might collapse it, and there's some psychotic parts to it like a completely dark and see-through tunnel where eyes appear in the darkness and light from the outside physically cannot enter, for some reason), and then the animatronic is made to exit them via a section above a net, which it gets tangled up in, and that net is broken and falls into the ball pit below full of smaller animatronics, reminiscent of the Bidibabs, who chew on Mangle for a while. It shows back up later barely damaged from this, as would be expected, and then doesn't honestly do much else before the soul within it gets removed from it and replaced into the constantly pained husk that five of them have been forced into. Great move, protagonists, in forcing your friends back into that just so they can wander into a furnace less than five minutes later. Whatever the case, Blacktime Mangle is certainly a feat of character design and of engineering, and I'm not certain on whether it's really made to have a Funtime cable endoskeleton at all, although they would add to its additional appendages if it did have some around its other endoskeletons. I've forgotten some of what I wanted to write when starting this comment, now, but there is a lot to say about Mangle. One of my favorite characters of all time, I must say.
This was a great read, thank you for taking the time to type all this out. Younger me would’ve gone absolutely feral for a mangle that changes between nights, and i would probably still have that reaction to this day. She’s been my favorite animatronic since the day fnaf 2 came out, i’m glad that i’m not the only one who’s passionate about him lol
Personally I think the Male part of Mangle is possesed by Susie's dead dog while the Female part of Mangle is possesed by a girl who was a friend of Susie. In my opinion
Wow! I love your channel and how it’s getting more popular. I love how you have a dark background with just images and don’t clutter the screen. Your voice is engaging and soothing !! I’ll be binging these while I draw ❤🎉🎉
We're back Revamped The madness never ends We're not Alone This time we've brought some friends No doors No hope But you keep coming back But if this is what you want Then you can be just like us It's what we're made to do You act like we're to blame Wear a mask to hide yourself When really it makes us the same A couple hours but it's feelin' like days Now you're runnin' out of power Leave you *MANGLED* and winding away
I had a nightmare that I worked as a night watchman at Freddy Fazbear’s, and they chased me to my car in the parking lot. I locked myself in my car and tried to drive away, but Foxy used his hook to unlatch my car hood. They took my spark plugs from my engine after opening the hood, and tossed them across the parking lot. Then they started rocking the car and pounding on the doors. I woke up just as Foxy broke my driver side window.
Mangle has been one of my favorite animatronic characters for a while. Mainly because I'm still trying to find a way to draw them in a recognizable way without spending a week referencing every bit of canon material I can (mainly FNaF World because my art style is more cartoony). But now that I know the voice lines from FNaF AR... God. That's just some greatly overlooked character development. I always thought that the theory of them being an experiment involving a dog spirit rather than a human one was baloney because they have UCN voice lines that are clearly not prerecorded stuff, and now this just makes it so much better. Not only is it back to basics of "yeah there's a child ghost in here", it's TWO of them. Both sharing trauma of being murdered and ripped to pieces over and over again.
Mangle's flipflopping between "My trauma made me who I am" and "My trauma has made me who I am, and who I am is horrible" gives me the image of a war vet lecturing the younger generation. Like survivor bias but still retaining the disdain for what happened to them.
To be quite frank, the controversy over what sex Mangle might be was always very lopsided. While some of the people in the “male” camp were pretty vocal at times, the overwhelming majority of the fan base considered her female. That’s how she was depicted in virtually all of the major videos and fan projects back in the heyday of the franchise. To the point where someone like me who came up through that time, it’s impossible to see Mangle as anything but a girl. Interestingly enough, some used to speculate that the second smaller head on Mangle used to be her parrot who was also an animatronic. This is of course assuming that Toy Foxy was in any way, shape or form a pirate. Which I sometimes doubt, but who knows? The fact that Mangle sounds far more noticeably female in AR than she did in UCN is interesting. That might’ve been deliberate fanservice to the still huge “Mangle’s a girl” camp.
Mangle is one of my all time favorite characters and has been since 2014. I recently have been making a theory on Mangle's true identity and purpose so getting this video right now is really cool! Mangle is always gonna be a true classic, he really deserves to return because she shouldn't have her personality character revealed in FNAF AR not get put to use.
I remember when fnaf 6 was released. I was so excited when I saw Funtime foxy because he looks like them. Funtime foxy would be my favorite if Funtime Freddy wasn’t there
I find the Mangle to be chilling because it is HUGE. In FNAF 2, any shot where we can compare it to the other animatronics, all points to Mangle being MUCH larger than anything else in the game. it's about twice the size of regular Foxy when seen in the hallway, and these vents Toy Bonnie and Withered Chica have their entire body visible in? Yeah, Mangle's head alone fills the entire vent. The reason WHY it's size matters is that this thing, this massive, spider-like monstrocity moves EXTREMELY quickly, andaside from the noise it seems to explicitly make in order to taunt and sccare you, completely silently. I don't think I need to say why something so ginourmous being completely innoticeable when it's not directly over you is terrifying.
At first I thought I couldn't understand the whole video because it was in English, so I found out that it has Spanish subtitles, so now I think it's one of my favorite fnaf channels.
Well, since there could be multiple animatronics for different locations, Mangle could be just a variation of the Character of Funtime Foxy. Then funtime foxy is another endoskeleton with maybe remnant injected into them. Great video!
Depending where you think SL and FNAF 2 fit into the timeline, I think Funtime foxy and Mangle are two separate animatronics of the same (plus or minus a few revisions) “Funtime foxy” model that was developed by Afton Robotics. Unless it’s confirmed that there was only ever 1 Funtime Foxy model ever created, there’s no reason why there couldn’t have been multiple, and Mangle is just a mangled version of one of at least 2 Funtime Foxy’s. Them being in the same “product line” but different revisions would explain the color scheme and other obvious similarities between the models, but also give room for them to not be exactly alike.
I always kept thinking about that one theory that kept popping up back then during the PS days which made me love mangle even more; which was that the dog that gets hit by a car, dies then becomes an experiment for William and comes back to life was mangle. It doesn’t make much sense now since timeline issues and mangle having human voices, but it was such a neat little theory.
Wasn't there a theory for the longest time that Mangle was Afton's first experiment with soul juice, and it was a dog's soul? Specifically Susie's dog, and Afton used that to lure her into his killing room and subsequently put her body into the Chica animatronic?
Personally I think the Male part of Mangle is possesed by Susie's dead dog while the Female part of Mangle is possesed by a girl who was a friend of Susie. In my opinion
When I was a silly young FNAF fan who gave personalities to the animatronics that had none, I resonated with Mangle so much, she was my favorite. Maybe it was how their gender was so perfectly ambiguous, maybe that aspect of feeling broken or alien or used… When you’re a young autistic/adhd child who has yet to crack their non-binary egg, these things resonate with you, and though it was silly, Mangle made me feel seen. I saw something- which at the time seemed like someone- that reflected how othered I felt, but it was… beloved. I thought “if everyone loves Mangle, surely they’ll like me too, right? They’ll learn to accept me!” And I am happy to say that that confidence pushed me through childhood and gave me the strength to keep going. Mangle wasn’t just great in terms of horror, he touched my life and mayhaps the lives of other young FNAF fans in an amazing way, and I’m glad to see that in her character development they have embraced its own beauty, because he is beautiful, in her own twisted way. Too bad Scott would probably never approve of making people such as I feel seen, but whatever. I will take what I could get.
“I inserted my own personal beliefs into a monstrous animatronic likely possessed by a dead child while also throwing in a jab at the creator of the series” Mangle is at most an allegory for Body Dysmorphia, as it constantly fights itself over being beautiful, none of your weird autistic gender shit Stop relating to pieces of metal possessed by ghosts in a children’s horror franchise, it’s both weird and creepy
I don't think anyone takes into account Mangle was specific to a location where he was torn apart. I also wish it was mentioned their appearance on the floor in FNaF 3
Awesome video!!! Also I subbed :) I also have a theory that it wasn't kids that destroyed Mangle, but rather Ennard that destroyed her after leaving Michal Aftom, I'll share my theory about the timeline in another video :)
I've been around in the FNAF fanbase since the first ever teasers for FNAF 2, and to this day Mangle remains one of my favourites of the franchise. They're such a unique character and I adore the personalities of both of the animatronics that make them up, they're cute in a weird way, they're just endearing to me, being a perfect mix of scary yet cute. But one other thing that makes me sentimental over Mangle in particular is the fact that over the time FNAF has been a franchise, I realised I was transgender, and have made progress in transitioning (Born female and transitioned to nonbinary) and having Mangle just be this gender enigma makes me smile. Mangle is just...Mangle, y'know? Love him/her/them 💖🐺🏳⚧
I like how in build a mangle mangle kills us if we mess up the mangle almost like it hates what we are doing and is mad at what we created if that makes sense.
I appreciate this video so much, Mangle sort of accidently became a comfort character ever since the second game came out, especially recently going through certain things. Not sure how to explain myself without sounding cheesy 😅 but I really do relate to them on many personal levels, I feel for them and ofc it can most definitely just be me projecting; but, man. Love having a video go into depth about this character and solidifying my original connection further
Just gonna say that Funtime Foxy and Mangle have always been my favorites in Design, personality, etc! I remember I used to watch tons of theory videos about them. I remember on theory that sorta related to both of them. Cause in SL they used both he and she pronouns for FT Foxy, and that one fruit Mini Game with the lil Girl and the dogs gave people The Head Canon that mangle and FT where possessed by the dog and the little girl making them have the constant back and fourth with the pronouns. I also heard from someone else here that Roxy is made a bit out of Mangle so I think that’s also really interesting! Honestly it’s all just really confusing lore wise. I wanna give my Head cannon about this tho. Some guy mentioned that they both where made separately by William and Henry. So what if they where both just Tests? Created with the same concept (pink, cute, fun fox) but for different purposes. Mangle being more Child Friendly and centric, and FT foxy being made as a dangerous distraction hidden bellow? This could give an explanation for why they look similar? And maybe why you can’t find like Main Parts for mangle (Torso, legs, etc) is cause they put them away and William ends up stealing and repurposing them for FT foxy? I feel like this is all very convoluted and confusing but that’s all of fnaf lore at this point. I really wish there was more to come out of the mangle, FT, and Roxy line, cause they are all just really great designs and personalities! But all I can do is Dream. Still will always Love and cherish The pink foxes!
Notice Mangle has only 2 eyes, one for each head. To me this implies that it still just has one soul inside that has to look out through those two eyes. Also it's contending with two conflicting endo AI personalities. It would be a maddening experience. If we ever see both eyes seem to move in sync with each other, I think that confirms my theory. This all assumes the souls need the robot eyes to see which when looking at Chica I now very much doubt.
So one soul split across two halves of thr same body and each half directly influenced by the conflicting ai of the different heads that they inhabit resulting in one soul internally locked in conflict with itself constantly disagreeing with itself?
@@monke7919 Indeed. It's been implied that the AIs somehow merge with their respective souls. The souls forget their own names and their memories are taken by the AI. That's all we can be relatively certain of. Some think Mangle holds multiple souls. I'm inclined to disagree but I don't really have solid evidence. I just thought it would be horrific if the soul was looking out of disjointed eyes.
Damn, 12k views and 184 comments already? Thats it, now im putting notifs on lol. Great video, I didn’t know that wholz part Mangle had in Fnaf AR, really interesting! And yeah ultimately it's not an issue if Mangle doesn’t comz back in mainlin3 games, their time is kinda over now
Thanks so much for this video, really helpful when you are dealing with people who have absolutely no idea who and what mangle is as character which I am sadly cursed to endure with
I accidentally forgot Nightmare Mangle, so here's a brief addendum:
Nightmare Mangle is one of the Nightmares from Fnaf 4 Halloween update, replacing Nightmare Foxy. They also appeared in UCN, where you have to buy their plush to get them to back off. They don't really have any lore relevance that I know of, but that does add an extra Mangle appearance and in the UCN roster.
And the FNAF 4 minigame appearance in the pink bedroom.
Where's head 2 in those cutscenes?
@@cetadel6597 looks like it's above the mask.
This is probably too late but, You missed one very important fact about Funtime Foxy that became the mangle.
Something that bothered me across the entire FNAF franchise is this: Why is Nobody talking about Mangle? Thing is, Mangle, for seemingly no reason, has information we don't. Every single game rises a new mystery about them.
FNAF2? They imply information about the bite of 87.
FNAF3? Why are they there? Its just odd and implies things about the protagonist of the game to have hallucinated that specific cast, albeit this case is not about mangle in specific.
FNAF4? Their existance implies that FNAF2 and FNAF4's mid-day minigames happen simultaneously in some level or otherwise, or atleast the original opening of FNAF2's Location. Why is mangle Already The Mangle and not Funtime foxy then? And why does the mangle show up in the sister's room? And the same issue as FNAF3 but this time the nightmare version can be explained non-canon.
FNAF5/SL? You already covered the mess of Funtime Foxy as a name
UCN? Why does Mangle know about The One You Shouldn't Have Killed? Sure, maybe all of them do but, Mangle is one of the very few animatronics that was somewhat "Real" that is aware of them. The rest who mention that name are likely creations of the thing, except Withered Chica. This implies Mangle might be a lot older than FNAF2's location.
Why is it that this specific animatronic has such...weird lore placement? Its been there every game except the first and SL, which FNAF1 came before mangle even was a thing and SL literally added another completely unrelated Funtime Foxy who MIGHT be related MIGHT be unrelated entirely??? ???
You did cover bits of these, but missed that mangle is specifically weird and has so many appearances, and it always had something to say that nobody really considered all that intensely besides the FNAF2 and FNAF4 situations.
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I had no idea Mangle was supposed to be two people. I saw the second head, but I never thought much about it. Man this makes Mangle even cooler
Scott didn’t either, blame ilumix for that one
I always assumed it was a parrot or something
@@blurryfacenobody same
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The idea of a spider-like animatronic like Mangle just freaks me out. Mangle can go everywhere and anywhere and won’t stop hunting the player down. It’s haunting.
Regular mangle is just a broken pile of mangled parts, but since mangle is possessed by a child they can move around like a spider. All the toy animatronics seem to defy their code and normal functions due to possession, but everyone forgets.
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Same with Enerd. The idea/concept and the outplay just doesn't connect. Mangle generally is more terrifying than ANY OTHER GOD DAMN ANIMATRONIC out there because of the way they could move/interact with the player
@@liviwaslostthe toy are programmed to attack when they see an intruder or something i think
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It’s clear just from looking at them that Funtime Foxy and Toy Foxy are not the same, it’s like saying Bonnie and Toy Bonnie are the same because they’re Blue Rabbits. The FT model has segmented plating while the Toy model is made of singular plates, not to mention other visual distinctions. Mangle has the Toy era animatronic technology while FT Foxy is in line with the other hyper advanced funtimes.
Plus their internals are entirely different, not even remotely close. The Funtime line has prehensile wires, woven together to fit the shape of their casings, with no major endoskeletal components acting as structure that we know of (even if some larger solid components also do exist within them, in some cases) - Ennard has a few, but that is likely based more on them not having a casing to work with, so they needed _something_ to base the shape off of and wind the first few around. Conversely, the Toy line has conventional and universal endoskeletons which support their casings loosely, with a few key structural points, instead. And the Funtime casings appear to be made of metal, whereas the Toys appear to be plastic, although arguments have been made for both being ceramic which do hold some potential merit but it is hard to say for sure.
@@ultmateragnarok8376 Exactly. The theory that they are the same has a foundation of water and the only evidence in support of it is a non canon book which I’m pretty sure only included it after the theory became popular just for the sake of including it.
I’ve always had the personal- well, i guess it’s not quite a theory so much as a headcanon, that mangle was a funtime prototype. No clue if that would even remotely fit in the story, but i’m too attached to it to let it go lmao
@@whenthemoon I'm pretty sure Sister Location takes place before Fnaf 2(odd as it may be), but it's your headcanon at the end of the day
@@kaiserreichempireofohio834It does take place before FNAF 2, that’s a known fact. Sister Location is the sequel to FNAF 4 and set in roughly 1983, similar to FNAF 4
I loved mangle. They were just so terrifying. Once in your office they wouldn't leave and would randomly kill you. My theory is that funtime foxy is simultaneously two and one animation. Like both Henry and William had an idea for funtime foxy and both made their own version. Henry's version went to the fnaf2 location but kept getting taken apart and needed parts from the one from the sister location. This explains the two personalities. The William side is more cruel and pessimistic. The Henry side is actually a child haunting it.
That’s actually a really interesting theory, what if all the toys are Henry’s version of the Funtimes? Not sure how that would fit into the timeline, but I’m really glad you got me thinking about it
@@whenthemoon it would explain why there's no Bonnie and Chica at the sister location because it's theorized that William designed ballora after his wife and baby after his daughter.
I think timeline wise the sister location was open first but the animatronics didn't have the child killing stuff in them yet. That changed in 1983 after Evan died. This caused William to kill Charlie and then she possessed the puppet which caused him to notice the freddy suit slightly possessed. This made William curious and he revamped the funtime animatronics to be more dangerous and he added new additions like baby and ballora. Of course after his daughter died, Henry split from William to go back to his child friendly roots away from and opened a new separate location. His version of funtime foxy was popular, but kids are cruel and it needed constant repair. Some of the staff probably mistakenly ordered parts from the sister location (not knowing it was a seperate business and William was to be kept away from the company) during the repairs before giving up on it. After a careless emoloyee had ordered parts, William now knew the new location of Henry's store and decided to murder a bunch of kids using a spare suit in the back which caused the toy animatronics to become more aggressive and leads to the bite of 87.
@@RandoSando. I love this theory so much, I’m glad you took the time to type it all out. I love the bit about how William would’ve found Henry’s location and started killing kids there, it feel like it adds some character to the two of them in some odd way. I really love theories that flesh out the world like that so this is going into my personal head canon for sure
Isn't there also proof Mangle is posessed by Suzie's dog?
@user-ob2yv8my2n from what I know, mangle isn't possessed by a dog
Imagine how terrible it is for the spirit inside mangle, for a child to have to be ripped apart and put back together by other children over and over, being killed cruelly and then essentially put into a hellish existence of having other children, maybe some of whom you were once friends with, who have know ideas they are torturing you, rip you apart and reconstruct you wrong, and what’s worse is that it is quite possible there are two children in mangle, going through it together.
Sort of an allegory if you compare it to CC/Evan and how, not only were they told that they would be put back together again, but also that CC/Evan suffered from continuous loss in his life that broke him over and over. Just like mangle, there’s only so many times you can break and be put back together again before you stay broken and unfixable.
Maybe one child and one dog
The endo with the nickel Mangle mask can bite you.
I can't imagine how Funtime Foxy and Mangle are the same. Their mask shapes and builds are entirely different. It still confuses me why the hell Scott named the unmangled form as "Funtime Foxy", instead of "Toy Foxy" which... Like surely that would be the logical name.
Because characters that are supposedly the same have definitely never been redesigned between games before. Smh.
Idk maybe FNAF World FF was foreshadowing SL FF. But that's just me
Well Toy Foxy doesn't really fit since Mangle doesn't look much like Foxy like the other Toys looking like their original counterparts, Funtime Foxy being used for Mangle before they were mangled makes sense here atleast at the time of FNAF 2. I'd see Toy Foxy being used as a name if Mangle or Fnaf 2 Funtime Foxy had the color scheme or one similar to Foxy.
Idk, maybe he did while tired and didn't notice ti too late.
@blossomthebunny5816
I mean, *Toy* Foxy was made specifically for FNAF 2 but then scrapped afterwards
If It was recovered and used by Afton Robotics to make Funtime Foxy, why not do the same with the other Toys?
It’s sad. I feel that both beings within The Mangle have PTSD and one denies it’s situation and the other embraces it. I hope we learn more about the character’s backstories
when they mentioned one head pretending that what happened was a good thing and one being traumatized my first thought was DID. especially if mangle is possessed by one of afton's victims. since the fox head says that they don't regret what happened to make them "the fox they are today", the child's soul might have developed DID from the repeated violence of being killed - in a way that likely severed limbs - and then being dismembered by the children in an act of abuse that probably felt similar to afton's lack of remorse or empathy as he killed them. the bare head would be the part of the system that took the brunt of the abuse while the fox head was distant and protected, which is why they complain somewhat lightheartedly about their limbs falling off and the children's treatment of them while the bare head sees what happened for the painful experience it was and either refuses the fox's desire to go back or shuts down emotionally and goes nonverbal from the trauma - thus its lack of voicelines about limbs falling off.
@nottheredelilah3757 Their dynamic remind me of the myth/trope of 2 guards, one tells nothing but the truth and the other nothing tells nothing but lies.
@@nottheredelilah3757 true
@SiobhanFalque true but I think it's more than just that.
I've always found Mangle to be probably the most interesting haunted animatronic (not counting Charlotte and Cassidy because they're apart) in the franchise as a character
The design styles of funtime foxy and mangle are very different.
You can easily tell if a machine was designed by William, Henry, or both of them together, just by looking at it's configuration.
A quick look at mangle's Endoskeleton and Funtime foxy's makes the difference clear as day. mangle is a direct evolution from the withered, sharing the suit-support rings around the chassis, making them a product of Fazbear entertainment.
Funtime foxy shares the same weird piping skeleton style as the other Funtimes, making him a product of Afton's creation alone.
I do find it odd that Mangle's endo has a flexible spine and limbs, but that mechanism is never really used outside this one character
@@charliekahn4205 I think it’s their spare parts
i remember when “Mangle hanging teaser” was released, it broke the fandom
I remember that, people thought Scott was sad but it was just a joke I think it was just the ping pong paddle
I have a theory that Mangle's memory/remnant got transfered over to Roxy in Security Breach. they share the same vanity about looks, as if she's finally beautiful as she always wanted to be. now a star along with the others on stage. she also has a Funtime Foxy/Mangle hidden in her room, making the connection stronger.
PS: Monty could be connected to Toy Bonnie based on his dialog as well, they both say how they're the star and is much better than others. Chika likes to eat, not much of a surprise there. Funtime Freddy could be Sun and Moon now, flipping between two different characters in one body.
but isn’t funtime freddy already the main host of the blob?
@@rat7178 no, because all piaces of it came from the pizzaplex legacy displays including the masks
That my friend is an interesting hypothesis care to explain further about this? But if you don't want to, that's just fine with me 👍!
God no
No
Mangle's remnant is part of the blob
Not in Roxy
I always thought the second head was the parrot on the shoulder of the pirate funtime foxy. I didn't really play AR but hearing those voice lines feels like confirmation, almost. As if the original show they performed was foxy would say something cheerful, and the parrot would make a sinde joke. It would go along with parallels to irl pizza chains, too
yeah! also like a ventriloquist gag where the puppet would say something contradicting the puppeteer
God, i wish more animatronics would get more attention/lore than just the 4 original ones or ones related to Afton.
Like, why can't characters like Ballora, Mangle, and hell, even BB get more stuff
Ah the Mango. Easily one of my favorites in the entire franchise. Some small details about their appearance in special delivery that make that even more tragic is that you can get an email talking about their construction and more specifically that they were literally built to have pieces constantly falling off. Another neat (and cruel) detail in SB is that you can actually find a physical version of the build a mangle in the pizzaplex which combined with the unused model and the ignored scrapping sounds in the vents mentioned in the logs makes it seem like Mango might have had a big role in sb or at least a more direct cameo. Some other Another detail thats more head canony is in that anime foxy thingy from ucn foxy does specifically call Mango “the dog” which did make me wonder if they were actually a doggo afterall. Another one thats really weird is the toy mango in the fnaf4 minigames which along with the other toys of the toys just makes that game’s position a massive headache even now. Another is their weird police radio thingy from fnaf2 where I think I hear voices talking about someone getting hurt and not doing too good but audio stuff like that can be especially subjective. The final part which unfortunately the blob does kinda ruin but I adore the concept so much for maximum knife twisting is that Roxy is at least one of Mango’s heads. Which makes her being made into road kill and have her parts robbed from her just extra cruel. Another part thats even more head canony comes from the freddy files that security breach got where it clarified that in the cutscene where roxy does a derp and jumps in front of the car she wasn’t actually going for the gremlin but was trying to attack the car. Which made me think of susie’s doggo in the fruity maze minigame that was definitely road killed. With the explanation for her going after the car instead of the gremlin being that she stills remembers the trauma of being flattened by one and now has an uncontrollable hatred towards all motor vehicles (but thats again mostly head canon because that stupid blob)
As a general rule, i tend to ignore the existence of the blob for the sake of my own sanity and the safety of those around me, so I’m officially adopting this head canon. I already liked Roxy before, but her being part of Mangle makes her even more interesting to me. I love all the little details you included, I love me a good tragic animatronic.
Also, “Ah, the Mango.” made me laugh
I mean steel wool did so its completely fair. Literally because roxy bugged out and didn’t let on the fight get the black licorice coming out the pipes part. I also missed the blob on the way in because I got the cutscene right away of falling down, I didn’t even know what the blob was for at least a month just that a funtime head popped up and snagged the peepaw
omg I never would've made the connection! That's so cool. I love all the tiny details.
🥭
mango
I think the books just suffered from another good dose of 'the artists screwed up'. Sure, Funtime Foxy might've looked mangled after he got himself banged up but I don't think there's any way he'd come out of it looking exactly like Mangle. It just doesn't line up.
So many things would be a lot clearer if Scott simply cared more about who he hired to do the art for these books, and that's without bringing the whole controversy surrounding the artists themselves.
I've always thought that too
Mangle remains my #1 Bite Of '87 suspect, adding another layer of importance to his/her character. I suppose a game taking place at some time between the 1990's and 2020's could still use Mangle as originally intended, or a back to the basics reboot.
The Bite of 87 victim was most likely an adult, and the only bots that would attempt to restrain an adult during the day are the toys. Mangle has a custom jaw that isn't like the others', so it totally makes sense.
@@charliekahn4205 That plus his/her angle of attack, fight at forehead level...
She even has police chatter that refers to it.
Fun fact
Scott literally bought it and turned it into the story; he’s a genius.
Shh……
We don’t talk about his dogshit writing
Ever since FNAF 2, I was always attached to Mangle, it's like I related to them alot. through out the years, I always felt I was an mangled mess people just take apart and put back together so I understand Mangles situation and the trauma they went through by the children. children can be ruthless even if they don't know any better.
Couldn’t have said it better ❤
_Especially_ if they don't know any better.
Especially if their older and don't care since older is automatically stronger in many ways
Literally same
Same.
Most underrated fnaf creator imo. Content just as good as any bigger creator, as well with really good recaps through the games.
Thank you so much!
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Also loved your dsaf series
@Princess Jenna The Husky From the blob in security breach, if you're asking who took it, I don't know.
In Fnaf 2 they also put Mangle in the Ladies Night challenge in contrast with phone guy referring to it as male which was the original source of the confusing
That and the design given the time period. Doubt a late 80's pizzeria chain would design their male animatronic to be pink with big lashes and lipstick.
@peeblekitty5780 when you compare the fixed design of toy foxy to the male toys it has a male design, it has a chubby body which only the males have, it has a bow tie which only the males have, and the male toys have long eyelashes as well, also mangle is a clown last time I checked clowns typically have red makeup on their lips, imo it's always been male but I refer to it as it so I don't have to argue with the "BuT iTs A gIrL" people, only thing that made it confusing for me was when they finally gave it a clearly female voice
@@peeblekitty5780 it keeps untangling people sorry
@@blazephoenix5849 OG and Withered Chica also have chubby/blocky bodies like the male animatronics in their rosters. Bonnet has a bow tie. Every toy animatronic has rosy cheeks, and only ambiguous or confirmed female animatronics such as Roxanne, Glamrock Chica, and Ballora have lipstick.
It lacks other clown characteristics such as a red nose or clown shoes (like we see on Baby), which would be intact on the foot but instead it's bare and has pink nail polish. The hook it was depicted with in the teasers and in FNAF World's Funtime Foxy + the location name "kid's cove" would indicate pirate akin to OG Foxy as opposed to clown.
Not saying it's definitely female, since at this point it's just a meme (Mangle's gender is yes because funny) but it's not like there's no basis for considering it female either. Personally, its design (or what it would have been before being mangled) always struck me as one of those "cartoonists excessively gender a female variant of an existing animal character by giving it pink colors and big lashes and lipstick" a la Arlene from Garfeield.
@Tauroost he was definitely referring to Mangle in that call "They tried to remake Foxy, ya know? Uh, they thought the first one was too scary, so they redesigned him to be more 'kid-friendly' and put HIM in Kid's Cove. To keep the toddlers entertained, you know... But kids these days just can't keep their hands to themselves. The staff literally had to put Foxy back together at the end of every shift. So eventually they stopped trying and left HIM as some kind of 'take apart, put back together' attraction. Now HE'S just a mess of parts. I think the employees refer to HIM as just 'the Mangle." The only him in that statement that's about withered foxy is the first one where he says they redesigned him.
The allegory of Mangle using the mask to hide from the horrors of the cove is actually awesome. I've never looked at mangle like that, but it actually makes he like him/her more.
Remember the “Mangle is the soul of a dog” theory?
I wish I could.
Wasn’t the theory about how mangle was the soul of chica’s dead dog from the mini game in pizza simulator?
@@ShadowLightHearthere was a “theory” that predated the whole thing from the old days. I think it was one of Smike’s “theories.”
@@ShadowLightHeart yeah,I believed that just like I believed the coma theory,gosh everywhere you look and read there's a theory about about all the characters we know and mostly love are dead or in a coma with the whole thing being a dream.
It makes sense that the two souls could be of the girl from the fruit minigame from Pizzeria Simulator and her dog, both killed by William Afton and forever stuck in the same robotic shell.
I've always thought the second head of Mangle was originally a parrot, which I think works really works with the new voice lines. It also makes the fact that Mangle, who presumably has control of the paws, lets the parrot keep one of her eyes so they can both see, hit that much harder.
I love Mangle. There will never ever be another character like Mangle. Mangle will forever be my favorite animatronic in the series.
I had no idea the Mangle got a personality update in FNAF AR! Makes me so sad that I didn’t jump on the bandwagon while it was there; the game itself seems so fun, I was just burnt out on the series when it came out :(( I adore that the second head was an independent mind though, the main head’s denial is actually a rare accurate depiction of how trauma can affect a person (or in this case, sentient robot?). While the second head sees the traumatic events for what they are and is reacting violently towards those memories, a lot of people’s reactions can be toxic positivity towards traumatic events, like trying to see the silver lining despite the fact that they were hit by lightning. Denying that those events hurt you/broken you is a lot easier than accepting that the event permanently affected your psyche. Awesome video! I adore the Mangle and even though their funko plushie isnt a fan favorite I bought their big version for 30$ because I love them so much 🤣🤣🤣 I have to show my support for my favorite sad fox robo
I've always considered Mangle to be based on Funtime Foxy, or vise versa, just a rebrand. Just like how I always figured Golden Freddy is a rebranded Fredbear to fit in more with Freddy being the new face of Fazbear Entertainment after Fredbear's Family Diner.
Probably a way of making an undesirable character “unexist”
Mangle came Frist because foxy and Freddy and buoy after fallow me.
Love this content you’re quite diverse in how you focus on the characters mostly and it creates a great diversity in you’re content compared to the average theory channel
Thank you! I've been trying to break up the variety. ^_^
I remember back when I was around 13-15 y/o and saw Mangle for the first time, and how I instantly just related and empathized with it. Even to this day, and with everything going on with Mangle nowadays, they're still one of my favorite characters.
Your voice is super calming, and I love the dialtown lofi. I don't really know what direction fnaf can go in at this point, I hope they just drop the afton stuff and let Vanny take the stage I guess? Great video on Mangle
Oh, thank you so much! ^_^
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Hey there! To add to what the other person said, is it possible that you could do a video about what you personally feel would be some good ways the series could continue?
You kinda already have, throughout your work, but I think it would be interesting to hear it all in one video.
Either way, I'm enjoying your content a lot!
My theory is that Mangle was the Toy animatronic version of Foxy and when William saw how popular it was with the children he was inspired to make the Funtimes and a hint to this is that Mangle like the other Toy animatronics only has 4 fingers and 3 toes as opposed to the Funtimes who have 5 fingers and 4 toes
Mangle and FF might just be different renditions of the same character within the company. We know that Afton Robotics has the rights to make a character named Freddy, as well as Chica, so this is probably what’s up with Mangle. It doesn’t really explain the voices, but it doesn’t have two if we assume that Afton Robotics can act independently from Fazbear Ent.
This was a cool video!
1:08 I never noticed Mangle's missing eye on the floor.
Which is kind of odd considering that what should be an empty eye socket appears to still have an eye, just an entirely black one
@@whenthemoon I think all of the toys do, they just wear plastic covers. Like how toy freddy and toy chica appear without eyes.
@@whenthemoon I think the little glowy dot is part of the endoskeleton, like when toy chica's eyes are out
@@andrew_the_artist Looking at pictures now, I think this makes the most sense. Toy Chica seems to have completely taken the ‘base eyeballs’ out, whereas Mangle and Toy Freddy still have them in. That does beg the question though, who’s eye is that next to Mangle?
Can’t exactly put a full eyeball on another full eyeball, I’d imagine that the ‘covers’ would be a thinner plastic
@@peeblekitty5780 See, I thought the same for a long time, but when you look closely you can actually see that there _is_ a physical eye in there. I can’t remember who pointed it out to me, but it always struck me as an odd design choice. It only started making sense when I looked at Toy Freddy again and saw that he had the same thing going on
LOVING these FNAF character analyses omg
Great! 8D There's a few more coming in the future, with the next on being Ballora and likely Michael Afton being after that.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 do my girl ballora a favor 😭 (no pressure I’m just sad she’s so underused)
The buildable beauty! I do like the second Endo of them.
Mangle, in my opinion, was wasted honestly. He needed more lore for herself and they kinda evolved into FNaF SB’s Ennard but not imo
Also I kinda feel like Mangle is gender-fluid ig? Idk it feels like it makes sense??
@@forkalamari6093 Mangle is possesd by a child. You think a child around 6 or so whould be genderfluid? Lmao.
@@draw2death421 no I’m talking about the animatronic itself
@@forkalamari6093 oh. Yeah thats possible. Kinda like the puppet then.
@@draw2death421 Personally I think the Male part of Mangle is possesed by Susie's dead dog while the Female part of Mangle is possesed by a girl who was a friend of Susie. In my opinion
what makes mangle so special to me is that its not just a forgettable variant thats just sligthly different to foxy,its its own character,im so glad they called it mangle instead of toy foxy,i also like how scott never agnoledged mangle's gender wich made the fans even more interested in this animatronic.(yeah mangle is my fav animatronic how did you guess)
Since fnaf 2, mangle was always my favorite animatronic, their design it's amazing, I love how they look like a robotic spider, and how in the cameras they are always hanging from the ceiling just staring at the player it's just so scary to me. I also really like what they did with them in help wanted, all his phases are so memorable, like the vent repair section or the "build mangle" minigame from the curse of dreadbear. Another thing I really like about mangle in fnaf help wanted is their animations, because it looks so good seeing Mangle climbing through the walls and vents
I know it’s not directly related, but I looked at your channel, and for 10 years up until recently you’ve uploaded basically gameplay videos, and have shifted your content to game discussion which is extremely impressive, Also it was very brave of you to drop the robot voice in favour for your real one, which definitely improved your content as well, keep it up.
Thank you kindly! Both the commentary and the voice were kind of a 'just take the plunge' thing, so I'm glad they're actually working. ^_^ I'll still do gameplay in the future probably, but this feels good.
@@notrealnamenotatall2476 My suggestion (and I'm sorry for all these comments tonight. Rewatching your new videos, since I can't sleep) would be to maybe livestream the SB DLC? Or maybe do an LP?
If I can be 100% honest, the Algorithm is really pushing your stuff the past few weeks, so I hope you keep getting your flowers! You've earned 'em!
I remember the first time when I saw mangles design and how it creeped me out so much. 😭 like idk how kids played “putting together” with it.
But mangle really is neat. And they look really cool. And even if they weren’t used as much as people would want them to be, I think they served their time well enough.
Good video as always!
Mangle always scared the crap out of me as a kid, I was always afraid she was gonna swing down from the overhead fan in the dining room at night. On retrospect, the fact that there was Not an overhead fan in the dining room probably should’ve helped alleviate that fear a bit.
i really feel like mangle HAS to mean more than just "they are popular so they reappear" because they KEEP APPEARING AGAIN and the hanging mangle is so friggin bizarre that's just crazy
In UCN She has both genders because of the heads.
The toy Foxy head is a female
And the Endo is a male.
Meaning that Mangle can be possesed by 2 people
The One that died on the bite of 87 and the One that killed the victim of 1987
Lets not forget,the voices have echos
A male echo and a female echo
Funtime foxy and Mangle arent the same because of their endoskeleton.
Personally I think the Male part of Mangle is possesed by Susie's dead dog while the Female part of Mangle is possesed by a girl who was a friend of Susie. In my opinion
always been obsessed with mangle ever since FNAF2, I was just fascinated by its appearance and the unique way it navigated the world. the thing LITERALLY climbs on the walls and ceilings of the pizzeria like a goddamn SPIDER, which is still a trait that is unique to Mangle due to their.. non-traditional appearance. being so captivated by how strange and unique their appearance is and speculating on the way they moved, acted or even thought, among a few other inspirations as a kid, is what got me into drawing. also, absolute gender goals, we love a non-binary icon, we stan Mangle in this household.
My headcanon is that Mangle has 2 souls- twins- brother and sister. This would explain the pronoun swapping and the 2 voices, plus I just think an animatronic being possessed by twins is interesting.
Personally I think the Male part of Mangle is possesed by Susie's dead dog while the Female part of Mangle is possesed by a girl who was a friend of Susie. In my opinion
Another great character analysis! I believe I may have mentioned this in the past but I’d also like to repeat it so I can elaborate more on it. An analysis on Freddy Fazbear himself is something I’ve wanted to see for a while now. It’s made me so salty that the franchise is named after him, yet he hardly plays any major role in any of them besides the original game. I think an analysis + maybe a section about making Freddy more relevant in certain games (FNaF 2, FNaF 4, etc.) would make for a killer analysis video from you! Keep up the great work as usual!
I never minded that Freddy wasn’t a focus character. I mean it’s called “five nights at Freddy’s” but I always thought there more of an importance to you being a nightguard whos in this kids place with haunted animatronics. Not Freddy himself.
Though, I’m sure both can be true at the same time if Scott went about it like that. Cause I mean.. story was a thing already happening in this franchise.
So something like.. You, being a security guard watching over the place. And also us the audience finding out in mini games about the spirit that inhabites the animatronics. Ex: Freddy.
Some shit like that probably lol. I’m sure someone else can make something better up. 😂
Would’ve been cool to see though ngl.
He's definitely one I'm going to tackle!
I found that odd too, especially in fnaf 1 where he is very Smart, creepier and more aggresive than the others, i assumed he was maybe the first one killed (before ucn) and that's why he was so dangerous, he had been more time suffering, but i Guess Scott didn't want that since the beginning (Fredbear's Family Dinner is mentioned in fnaf 2 as a more obscure place)
@@soomi5667 Sure you could always give Freddy some lore relevance or you could also give him gameplay relevance as well like he had in FNaF 1. That way you can keep the central characters like Springtrap and the Puppet, etc. while still having Freddy as the main threat you go up against during the game rather than the looming antagonist of the whole story. Though I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing Freddy be handled that way. I’d wager both him and Fredbear deserve the relevancy they were stripped of in later installments.
@@OutOfNameIdeas819 Oh yeah, I'm sure he definitely could've been given some more lore relevance or relevance in general. Kinda like how you mentioned with springs and puppet.
And good to know my idea of it isn't too bad haha 😆
And they definitely do! Though I do think they probs became less relevant because the story sterred into a different direction (around 5-6) and they weren't really relevant anymore but, I'm sure there could've been a way to go about it
Though, tbh when it comes to Fredbear specifically, I always wanted to know more about freadbears family diner. It just intrigues me a lot. who knows.. maybe they'll do something with it in the future. But that's probably not a possibility lol.
My theory is that Mangle and Fun Time Foxy are part of the same line of animatronics but they’re two different builds. I remember during Fnaf 2 I assumed that Mangle (before being ripped apart) was a Toy Foxy but had some kind of parrot explaining why it has a second head. Which would work if it’s meant to be a toy version of Foxy. Plus it would work as a two thing duo where ones optimistic and ones cynical.
You know what doesn't help the argument? SL's Funtime Foxy has both male and female lines in the files, don't recall which files mind you, aside from that there's also Scott's desire to tinker with designs so Mangle looking different to Funtime Foxy even if they're intended to be the same character can't easily be disproven by the differences unless Scott says otherwise or the games make it crystal clear.
That aside I've always liked Mangle and always thought of them as neat.
Edit: furthermore I like what they've done with Mangle thus far, they're vague but also on the nose and it's just generally fun, I do wish they'd get a break from the seemingly mandatory appearance every few games though.
Now with the context, the mangle is a very deep character with symbolism. It all makes sense. The mask of which holds the Fox like mask, “masks” it’s reality with figment of delusion while the other doesn’t have a mask who speaks the blunt truth.
Ah yes, trashmound foxy.
She’s our fox and we love her dearly,she’s been my fave ever since fnaf 2
The Mangle has been my favorite animatronic since I first saw them, as a kid I liked their design and was, ironically, the most scared of them. Something about carried sentience that is actively falling apart and desperately trying to hold on to what was has always interested me. Also, I've never heard those AR voice lines before! it sheds a whole new light on their character. Thank you for the insight, this video has done an amazing job. (btw, you forgot one appearance -- the Monty golf course in the arcade game in SB ;D /j)
Actually, the graphic novel made a bit of a miscommunication.😅 In the original novel, Funtime Foxy merely changed their look into a form that highly resembled the original Mangle. They still kept their segmented face plates and such, but it was not EXACTLY the same. The graphic novel artist made an error and instead made the transformation turn F. Foxy into a direct copy of Mangle.
Something we need to consider is the fact that, if Funtime Foxy and Mangle are the same animatronic, then FF lived a gigantic trauma (both physical and psychologic) to turn into Mangle. That's actually a very good motive to sound different, as FF sounds like a confident ringleader and Mangle sounds like a traumatized child.
Mangle, as a character, is extremely vulnerable in all ways, tries to validates herself ("I'm beautiful..." is that insecurity?), and at the same time, as her lines and minigame suggest, has an extreme phobia of exactly who she is supposed to entertain: Children. So, piled in all her vulnerability, she's stuck into a "job" that needs to be, every day, in close contact with the one thing she fears the most. Remember the rule "you can't touch Freddie"? Mangle didn't had that luxury. Imagine having that job with extreme pedophobia...
So, opposite of the older generation of animatronics, who believed children were pure and adults were evil, Mangle saw the worst of hunanity on children. So, if both adults and children were evil, is there any human being she could put any trust?
Mangle, in my opinion, is one of the most tragic characters in FNAF, even when she wants to kill you, maybe because we can totally understand her reasons.
The mangle's out for you
Take a bite out of you
It's climbing upside down
There's nothing you can do
It's not out for revenge
Just want to have some fun
But mangle's got some friends
We're gonna get it done
Your voice is really nice, great video to listen to while I work! Even though I’m too much of a baby to play the games myself :p
Thank you so much! 8D I'm glad you liked it!
For the Funtime Foxy thing, I think Henry and William both made a version, the version in the 1987 Freddy's (aka Mangle) was nade by Hnery and thwe CB's one was made by William, obvioysly.
I feel like mangle could become a main villain soon. I mean, they're in the blob. Imagine them taking it over and making a massive mangle boss in a future game.
If Mangle does become a big antagonist, I really hope that they come up with a better design than ‘entirely too flexible pile of what vaguely resembles robot parts’. Reminds me of how the fandom would almost solely draw her as a head and bow tie with an ever expanding grey spaghetti body. It was iconic in that ‘The Mangle Song’ animation and fanart, but in the games? The blob is a huge disappointment design-wise imo
Mangle is "Toy Foxy". Toy Foxy and Funtime Foxy are compleatly diferent in all ways except colour theme. this is 120% Scott trolling as with the he/she for Mangle. someone saw they looked simular and got the community to latch on and Scott ran with it
The one thing I can never drip about mangle is wanting all of their variations as a pet because they're all so cute to me and so loveable even if murderous or dangerous 😂
I Never Cried More In My Life Then In 2014 For Mangle. Mangle Will Always Be My Favorite Character, Especially Nightmare Mangle. This Analysis Was So Interesting!
Now we sit and wait for the “Ballora the spider mom” video.
i love mangleeeee
hes so cute and her design is fun to draw and they just AHHHHH
That old FNaF World image, with Mangle hanging from a noose, has always stuck with me. Such a weird, cryptic image, with the accusatory text and heavy visual noise over it, and it does show that dark and grim theme that the games had before that - and, it showed that Scott still knew full well how to make a terrifying atmosphere from simple concepts. Whether this character, an entity ripped limb from limb more times than any could count, did that itself or whether someone else did it, it remains as such.
As for dear Mangos herself, there's always been a lot of theories and special places for the character in most people's minds and hearts. The two heads and simultaneous use of pronouns, compounded by the voice lines from FNaF AR/SD, gave a lot of credence to that theory of two souls, and the design itself is so incredibly unique that it will always remain a memorable character in the series. One thing I will say FNaF 2 did with Mangle was underutilization. Sure, the bits where he's splayed across walls and ceilings, showing up in weird spots no one else can get to, are cool but he has the same model between each night. As evidenced by the phone calls and dates and papers and what not, during FNaF 2 we play as a guard while the location is open - first, as any random guard, and by now as literal-rotting-corpse-who-makes-at-least-three-successful-job-interviews. Whatever the case, Mangle is taken apart and remade into a new form every day, and yet we don't see any evidence of that. It's always four legs, two with bare endo feet, one with a covered foot and one with a hand; a standard and unmodified hip and chest endo portion; a weird tail-base piece; three arms, two of which are four segments long and one of which is two segments long; and of course two left hands and the two heads, with a single set of eyes between them (and no ear mounts on the bare endo skull which I'll always find a bit odd). Oh, and a bowtie, just because. This is actually pretty common - the Phantom variant, the model in Help Wanted, of course every night in FNaF 2, and a few others... Adventure Mangle, the one in World, is actually fairly different. Three legs, with one hand, one bare endo foot and one foot bearing a casing, are still present, but the portions around the shoulders are rather different, with a single three-segment right arm holding the covered head and both the endo head and other left hand (although I think this variant's lower hand _is_ a right hand, actually) on single-segment arms attached to the neck, rather than the hand's wrist being directly on the neck and the endo head on a shorter arm mashed into the right shoulder joint. There's also the rather unique choice of that long, extremity-less left arm being instead a single-segment leg bearing the other endo foot as well as a two-segment arm, although Adventure Mangle also appears to only have leg segments rather than the very distinct frame-like arm segments of the FNaF 2 endos... which only ever applied to the Withered. The roaming endo, Mangle, and the Withered share an endoskeleton, which the other Toys do not - they hardly have any at all, although I do like to think that perhaps the slimmed-down FNaF 1 variant is closer to what the Toys have. Whatever the case, this arrangement never usually changes, and I feel like both it and Mangle's gameplay style should, each night - though FNaF 2 has never had the most nuanced gameplay to begin with, when there's only three major character types and only five or six total unique forms of interaction at all, depending on if that lone bare endo not interacting at all is considered 'an interaction' with you as the guard. Could've been a lot more memorable, albeit the focus would've moved to Mangle a lot - but this is a unique character, with unparalleled mobility in tight spaces and a constantly changing anatomy, so it would make sense to have that. Plenty of fangames do the same, from ones such as the popular JR's making Mangle the main threat that the game builds up to, because it's a concept that simply has little limit for size beyond what could logically be sourced and cannibalized into it; to smaller games such as Fazbear Entertainment: Storage, which is one of my personal favorites and has nearly every character using unique mechanics, although Mangle's is so far out that three whole new systems are added to the game just for her - temperature, ventilation cameras, and doors operated from the cameras - as well as mainline games such as Help Wanted, FNaF 3 and SB all making note of Mangle as one of the most iconic and versatile characters in the series. Hell, even the books come back to him - perhaps not Fazbear Frights, in spite of its namesake (with the apostrophe and 's' removed and moved, respectively, but still the origin) doing so, but instead the novels - includes a take on Mangle. Sure, it's a completely different version of the character, being a hybrid Funtime animatronic purpose-built to mimic what Mangle was, but it's still a testament to the character's popularity that even in a whole series of books which excludes the Toys altogether (save for a cameo from BB, of all things) Mangle is still brought back elsewhere.
As for the variant in the books specifically - no, the carousel is the end granted to the weird, yellow-eyed and two-handed Blacktime Freddy variant. He gets lured beneath it and then the character he's chasing, I believe it's Carlton, goes and turns it on. This being an indoor thrill ride, where it spins at high speeds while it tilts and raises and lowers, it tears even a massive metal bear to shreds. Conversely, the take on Mangle/Funtime Foxy (I'll call it Blacktime Mangle, for continuity to the line of animatronics) is a completely different entity who never encounters that. It is able to, at will, unfold and collapse all of its external plating save for the head (although presumably the head can as well, since it retains the Funtime faceplates), and its internals are an absolute mess, being all limbs of different types. Unlike the Funtimes, it has internal endoskeleton limbs - albeit far longer than the usual form - and unlike Mangle, both its heads have all their eyes, and are even noted to face each other so it can see as it's only being controlled by a single soul, seemingly the one within Chica (there's a character noted to be a 'little girl' who controls it at one point while we're getting a glimpse behind the scenes at how they work) who is able to do so due to Afton's remnant antics. Whatever the case, its other details also persist - it is _not_ Mangle, as it has far, far more limbs and its bare endo head additionally hangs on springs rather than being directly attached to a limb. It's defeated by the characters luring it into a set of suspended play tunnels, which themselves are ridiculous (hardly able to hold a teen or young adult so multiple kids might collapse it, and there's some psychotic parts to it like a completely dark and see-through tunnel where eyes appear in the darkness and light from the outside physically cannot enter, for some reason), and then the animatronic is made to exit them via a section above a net, which it gets tangled up in, and that net is broken and falls into the ball pit below full of smaller animatronics, reminiscent of the Bidibabs, who chew on Mangle for a while. It shows back up later barely damaged from this, as would be expected, and then doesn't honestly do much else before the soul within it gets removed from it and replaced into the constantly pained husk that five of them have been forced into. Great move, protagonists, in forcing your friends back into that just so they can wander into a furnace less than five minutes later. Whatever the case, Blacktime Mangle is certainly a feat of character design and of engineering, and I'm not certain on whether it's really made to have a Funtime cable endoskeleton at all, although they would add to its additional appendages if it did have some around its other endoskeletons.
I've forgotten some of what I wanted to write when starting this comment, now, but there is a lot to say about Mangle. One of my favorite characters of all time, I must say.
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This was a great read, thank you for taking the time to type all this out. Younger me would’ve gone absolutely feral for a mangle that changes between nights, and i would probably still have that reaction to this day. She’s been my favorite animatronic since the day fnaf 2 came out, i’m glad that i’m not the only one who’s passionate about him lol
Personally I think the Male part of Mangle is possesed by Susie's dead dog while the Female part of Mangle is possesed by a girl who was a friend of Susie. In my opinion
I wish they made FNaF games set in the past. I don't care about the future of this timeline, I wanna know about the past and the origins.
Wow! I love your channel and how it’s getting more popular. I love how you have a dark background with just images and don’t clutter the screen. Your voice is engaging and soothing !! I’ll be binging these while I draw ❤🎉🎉
Thank you so much! 😊
We're back
Revamped
The madness never ends
We're not
Alone
This time we've brought some friends
No doors
No hope
But you keep coming back
But if this is what you want
Then you can be just like us
It's what we're made to do
You act like we're to blame
Wear a mask to hide yourself
When really it makes us the same
A couple hours but it's feelin' like days
Now you're runnin' out of power
Leave you *MANGLED* and winding away
based
STEP 1 CHECK LIGHTS AND EMPTY OUT THE HALLS...
@@REEPAH187 Did you hear that?
There's banging in the walls
oh wow i never noticed the "to be beautiful" line!!
I had a nightmare that I worked as a night watchman at Freddy Fazbear’s, and they chased me to my car in the parking lot. I locked myself in my car and tried to drive away, but Foxy used his hook to unlatch my car hood.
They took my spark plugs from my engine after opening the hood, and tossed them across the parking lot. Then they started rocking the car and pounding on the doors. I woke up just as Foxy broke my driver side window.
Just found your channel a few days ago and I’ve been loving your videos! Def helping satiate my recent FNAF obsession lol
Actually the hanging mangle image is her biting on her paddle ball from the other teaser if you adjust the colors and stuff
Mangle has been one of my favorite animatronic characters for a while. Mainly because I'm still trying to find a way to draw them in a recognizable way without spending a week referencing every bit of canon material I can (mainly FNaF World because my art style is more cartoony). But now that I know the voice lines from FNaF AR... God. That's just some greatly overlooked character development. I always thought that the theory of them being an experiment involving a dog spirit rather than a human one was baloney because they have UCN voice lines that are clearly not prerecorded stuff, and now this just makes it so much better. Not only is it back to basics of "yeah there's a child ghost in here", it's TWO of them. Both sharing trauma of being murdered and ripped to pieces over and over again.
Mangle's flipflopping between "My trauma made me who I am" and "My trauma has made me who I am, and who I am is horrible" gives me the image of a war vet lecturing the younger generation. Like survivor bias but still retaining the disdain for what happened to them.
To be quite frank, the controversy over what sex Mangle might be was always very lopsided. While some of the people in the “male” camp were pretty vocal at times, the overwhelming majority of the fan base considered her female. That’s how she was depicted in virtually all of the major videos and fan projects back in the heyday of the franchise. To the point where someone like me who came up through that time, it’s impossible to see Mangle as anything but a girl. Interestingly enough, some used to speculate that the second smaller head on Mangle used to be her parrot who was also an animatronic. This is of course assuming that Toy Foxy was in any way, shape or form a pirate. Which I sometimes doubt, but who knows? The fact that Mangle sounds far more noticeably female in AR than she did in UCN is interesting. That might’ve been deliberate fanservice to the still huge “Mangle’s a girl” camp.
Mangle is one of my all time favorite characters and has been since 2014. I recently have been making a theory on Mangle's true identity and purpose so getting this video right now is really cool! Mangle is always gonna be a true classic, he really deserves to return because she shouldn't have her personality character revealed in FNAF AR not get put to use.
i love your videos, so clear and informative! please keep making stuff like this!!
Thank you! I sure will!
I remember when fnaf 6 was released. I was so excited when I saw Funtime foxy because he looks like them. Funtime foxy would be my favorite if Funtime Freddy wasn’t there
I find the Mangle to be chilling because it is HUGE. In FNAF 2, any shot where we can compare it to the other animatronics, all points to Mangle being MUCH larger than anything else in the game. it's about twice the size of regular Foxy when seen in the hallway, and these vents Toy Bonnie and Withered Chica have their entire body visible in? Yeah, Mangle's head alone fills the entire vent. The reason WHY it's size matters is that this thing, this massive, spider-like monstrocity moves EXTREMELY quickly, andaside from the noise it seems to explicitly make in order to taunt and sccare you, completely silently. I don't think I need to say why something so ginourmous being completely innoticeable when it's not directly over you is terrifying.
I didn't even know that damn, well I'm gonna have nightmares
At first I thought I couldn't understand the whole video because it was in English, so I found out that it has Spanish subtitles, so now I think it's one of my favorite fnaf channels.
Well, since there could be multiple animatronics for different locations, Mangle could be just a variation of the Character of Funtime Foxy. Then funtime foxy is another endoskeleton with maybe remnant injected into them. Great video!
Depending where you think SL and FNAF 2 fit into the timeline, I think Funtime foxy and Mangle are two separate animatronics of the same (plus or minus a few revisions) “Funtime foxy” model that was developed by Afton Robotics.
Unless it’s confirmed that there was only ever 1 Funtime Foxy model ever created, there’s no reason why there couldn’t have been multiple, and Mangle is just a mangled version of one of at least 2 Funtime Foxy’s. Them being in the same “product line” but different revisions would explain the color scheme and other obvious similarities between the models, but also give room for them to not be exactly alike.
I always kept thinking about that one theory that kept popping up back then during the PS days which made me love mangle even more; which was that the dog that gets hit by a car, dies then becomes an experiment for William and comes back to life was mangle. It doesn’t make much sense now since timeline issues and mangle having human voices, but it was such a neat little theory.
Wasn't there a theory for the longest time that Mangle was Afton's first experiment with soul juice, and it was a dog's soul? Specifically Susie's dog, and Afton used that to lure her into his killing room and subsequently put her body into the Chica animatronic?
Personally I think the Male part of Mangle is possesed by Susie's dead dog while the Female part of Mangle is possesed by a girl who was a friend of Susie. In my opinion
Honestly you gotta feel bad for mangle, so much trauma
When I was a silly young FNAF fan who gave personalities to the animatronics that had none, I resonated with Mangle so much, she was my favorite. Maybe it was how their gender was so perfectly ambiguous, maybe that aspect of feeling broken or alien or used… When you’re a young autistic/adhd child who has yet to crack their non-binary egg, these things resonate with you, and though it was silly, Mangle made me feel seen. I saw something- which at the time seemed like someone- that reflected how othered I felt, but it was… beloved. I thought “if everyone loves Mangle, surely they’ll like me too, right? They’ll learn to accept me!” And I am happy to say that that confidence pushed me through childhood and gave me the strength to keep going. Mangle wasn’t just great in terms of horror, he touched my life and mayhaps the lives of other young FNAF fans in an amazing way, and I’m glad to see that in her character development they have embraced its own beauty, because he is beautiful, in her own twisted way.
Too bad Scott would probably never approve of making people such as I feel seen, but whatever. I will take what I could get.
“I inserted my own personal beliefs into a monstrous animatronic likely possessed by a dead child while also throwing in a jab at the creator of the series”
Mangle is at most an allegory for Body Dysmorphia, as it constantly fights itself over being beautiful, none of your weird autistic gender shit
Stop relating to pieces of metal possessed by ghosts in a children’s horror franchise, it’s both weird and creepy
this!! It was the same for me
Mangle is also one of my favorites, and I resonate with what you've said here! I accept you for you, and I am sure others will too!
This is how I feel about mangle too
(Neruodivergent,NB and all)
one of the topics i've most wanted someone to tackle!! yaaaaas
(susie doggo explanation at last?)
I don't think anyone takes into account Mangle was specific to a location where he was torn apart.
I also wish it was mentioned their appearance on the floor in FNaF 3
Awesome video!!! Also I subbed :) I also have a theory that it wasn't kids that destroyed Mangle, but rather Ennard that destroyed her after leaving Michal Aftom, I'll share my theory about the timeline in another video :)
Fun fact: Funtime foxy was made because Scott’s friends love the mangle so much they wanted him to make a mangle like design.
Notrealname notatall thank you so much😅😊
The books versus the game lore is so different 😵
Mangle was always my favorite!! It’s so awesome to know that they’re actually surprise plural system representation lol
I've been around in the FNAF fanbase since the first ever teasers for FNAF 2, and to this day Mangle remains one of my favourites of the franchise. They're such a unique character and I adore the personalities of both of the animatronics that make them up, they're cute in a weird way, they're just endearing to me, being a perfect mix of scary yet cute.
But one other thing that makes me sentimental over Mangle in particular is the fact that over the time FNAF has been a franchise, I realised I was transgender, and have made progress in transitioning (Born female and transitioned to nonbinary) and having Mangle just be this gender enigma makes me smile. Mangle is just...Mangle, y'know? Love him/her/them 💖🐺🏳⚧
Funtime Foxy vs Mangle discussion, could the exo be the same (since it's left by the scooper) and the endo(s) (and voice) be different?
That is pretty possible!
I like how in build a mangle mangle kills us if we mess up the mangle almost like it hates what we are doing and is mad at what we created if that makes sense.
Like mad that we are putting another creature through what they have been through
I appreciate this video so much, Mangle sort of accidently became a comfort character ever since the second game came out, especially recently going through certain things. Not sure how to explain myself without sounding cheesy 😅
but I really do relate to them on many personal levels, I feel for them and ofc it can most definitely just be me projecting; but, man. Love having a video go into depth about this character and solidifying my original connection further
Just gonna say that Funtime Foxy and Mangle have always been my favorites in Design, personality, etc! I remember I used to watch tons of theory videos about them. I remember on theory that sorta related to both of them. Cause in SL they used both he and she pronouns for FT Foxy, and that one fruit Mini Game with the lil Girl and the dogs gave people The Head Canon that mangle and FT where possessed by the dog and the little girl making them have the constant back and fourth with the pronouns. I also heard from someone else here that Roxy is made a bit out of Mangle so I think that’s also really interesting! Honestly it’s all just really confusing lore wise. I wanna give my Head cannon about this tho. Some guy mentioned that they both where made separately by William and Henry. So what if they where both just Tests? Created with the same concept (pink, cute, fun fox) but for different purposes. Mangle being more Child Friendly and centric, and FT foxy being made as a dangerous distraction hidden bellow? This could give an explanation for why they look similar? And maybe why you can’t find like Main Parts for mangle (Torso, legs, etc) is cause they put them away and William ends up stealing and repurposing them for FT foxy? I feel like this is all very convoluted and confusing but that’s all of fnaf lore at this point. I really wish there was more to come out of the mangle, FT, and Roxy line, cause they are all just really great designs and personalities! But all I can do is Dream. Still will always Love and cherish The pink foxes!
Oh yeah, Girl Foxy. My favourite as a kid.
The fact that Mangle doesn’t even have a confirmed gender makes this even funnier
I think it's more likely that in universe, Funtime Foxy is a new and improved model of Mangle, who was also called Funtime Foxy.
Woah its been a while since I’ve been here, nice video noname!
Notice Mangle has only 2 eyes, one for each head. To me this implies that it still just has one soul inside that has to look out through those two eyes. Also it's contending with two conflicting endo AI personalities. It would be a maddening experience. If we ever see both eyes seem to move in sync with each other, I think that confirms my theory. This all assumes the souls need the robot eyes to see which when looking at Chica I now very much doubt.
So one soul split across two halves of thr same body and each half directly influenced by the conflicting ai of the different heads that they inhabit resulting in one soul internally locked in conflict with itself constantly disagreeing with itself?
@@monke7919 Indeed. It's been implied that the AIs somehow merge with their respective souls. The souls forget their own names and their memories are taken by the AI. That's all we can be relatively certain of. Some think Mangle holds multiple souls. I'm inclined to disagree but I don't really have solid evidence. I just thought it would be horrific if the soul was looking out of disjointed eyes.
Damn, 12k views and 184 comments already? Thats it, now im putting notifs on lol.
Great video, I didn’t know that wholz part Mangle had in Fnaf AR, really interesting!
And yeah ultimately it's not an issue if Mangle doesn’t comz back in mainlin3 games, their time is kinda over now
Thanks so much for this video, really helpful when you are dealing with people who have absolutely no idea who and what mangle is as character which I am sadly cursed to endure with