Kaela said before that she's very insecure with her pronounciation and has shared this with Kronii off-stream. That's why Kronii felt so bad about it. But Kaela said on stream that it's okay if Kronii's happy, she's happy and Kronii already knows about her situation. So all good.
For some Indonesian bros, we actually thank for that moment because it made us learn the different pronunciation between V and F. Really, I never differentiate them my whole life
I'm not an English teacher or anything but here is how I would distinguish as a native English speaker. The v sound is not generated in the mouth... It's generated in the throat. Kaela, in her efforts to distinguish, pronounced the letter too hard when it's the soft pronunciation that would have made the error obvious. Try it. Pronounce the letter v very gently, with very little force. If it sounds like a pressure cooker releasing steam, you're pronouncing it wrong. It should sound like low humming, and you should feel your throat vibrating deeply.
Kaela already said that she wasn't upset, and they've already talked behind the scenes. She didn't really need to address this but I respect her for doing it anyway.
if anything, im sure kaela sees it as a very silly moment, considering how ela kept rolling with it to make her laugh sm, plus they've hung out lots before as well as close with one another so no need to turn this into a bad side
Not really. Zeta and Ollie pronounce v and f very distinctly differently. Out of the ID girls those two seem to have learned english much earlier than the others, hence the "better" accent.
Yeah, Kaela's (or ID in general) pronounciations are part of the charm. Kaela may have already expected Kronii to point it out and make a quick bit, idk.
I felt like on the first 2 instance, she really didnt know but after that, she continued for the bit. I mean, we know kaela isnt dumb or stoopid. While we can argue that she didnt know why kronie is laughing, if it was really embarassing, she would've stopped and yet she continued.
@@konaqua122 That's what I thought too. Kaela was confused the first few times, but when Kronii continued laughing, you can see her eyes light up and kept repeating it even if she didn't know what the joke was.
@@Recidivous She knows what word Kronii was laughing at and intentionally repeated the word. Although I don't think Kaela knew what the joke was. I feel she knew it has something to do with "vlogging" so she just repeated saying that. I believe this because I know Kaela is smart, even though she doesn't look like it in streams.
If there's one thing about this part is that, Kaela would feel bad, but should also be proud that she learned from the experience. It'll build self-confidence and experience. I'm sure Kaela will look back after she's learning to pronounce better in the future. Her Accent is what makes her who she is, after all. There is nothing to be ashamed of who she is. I hope Kaela finds solace in that. I knew Kaela wasn't comfortable with it at the start but soon she's coming to terms with it and I'm glad to see she can poke fun at herself right now and she grew as a person. We all can kinda see ourselves in her making a mistake and we can see that they're all human. While people would make fun of the situation, it's also important to know that is what makes people, "People" and it shouldn't be any different. I'm glad they can be mature about it and solve it as adults. Part of the whole growing up thing.
As an ID viewer, I have to say, Kaela (or even ID vtubers who also streams in English in general) have our upmost thanks for opening the world's eyes about Indonglish😂 Japanglish is cute and all, but Indonglish just have it's own unique charm on it. It also helped Indonesian bros who's hesitant about their own pronounciation to be more confident in their own pronounciation now. We may don't have it as strict as the Japanese, but Indonesians can also be perfectionists in our own way too, it's like... our mutual Asian nation perspective or something
Tbf, we Indonesian tends to make fun of our other Indonesian fellow too, so i thought kaela'd think that way too since we especially in SE Asia tends to joke almost lots of things
I think there is no reason to feel bad about it. Kaela even rolled with it and reappeared it to make Kronii laugh even more. Because of things like this, they create the best memories. I just say Jdon my soul and Bae even made a T-shirt out of it.
I get where Kaela came from because they sounded the same to me too, but I also get Kronii's perspective as someone who can clearly tell the difference pronunciation can be funny
Bro it's just humor. They both are friends, they can take jokes from each other. In another stream after that other ID members were joking about it too. It's all cool amongst friends.
I was watching Kaela pov side when that happen and i hear kroni side with saying the same all the time, the V sound like F, but then i saw one kroni clip and i can totally hear the diference, as a ESL myself, i think discord or mic little distortions Made that mistake
Next time try learning a foreign language and hear natives laughing their asses off when you talk. It doesn't feel nice if you have no idea what you've said wrong.
Not quite, while Kaela understands, she is self-concious about it. Kaela was not exactly the most fluent English speaker and she needs to be extra thick not to be embarrassed by it.
@@telefrag. I would just assume I said something funny and wondered what it was. I mean, this has been a joke for as long as I remember, where someone says something in another language and they say something ridiculous, and they just look at they guy like he's crazy.
It just means that Kronii treat her like a genuine friend. Close friends roast each other and she felt comfortable enough make fun of her and that's totally normal.
Misunderstandings from pronunciation mistakes can be funny. It’s when you’re making fun of their accent even though they’re speaking understandably enough that you should reconsider. It’s like the Tam Gandr situation.
Laughing is okay, but when Kaela asks what the word means, Kronii should just explain it-or at least part of it-so they can laugh together. I've seen similar situations where a simple explanation of the meaning really helps the other person avoid feeling embarrassed.
Well, I think it's about different pronounciation for every country Remember "ngaca" ? Kaela taught Biboo about it. I know if in English pronounciation, word ngaca is spelling "ngaka" because "C" in English has many different pronounciation depending on the word. Sometimes it spelled "K" (like Crayon, Country), sometimes it spelled like "S" (Citron, Cyber), and maybe "Ch" too (Cherry, Cheese) However, in Indonesia, "C" always spelled "Ch" no matter what. That's why word "Ngaca" is spelled "Ngacha" in Indonesia Same goes with "vlogging" and "flogging". We Indonesian can't differentiate "F" and "V", so that's why Kaela was very confused about Kronii's laugh
its a bit late to say this, but i think its fine. at first yea maybe kaela insecure about it. but then she double down and jokes about it. you can see in her Lethal Company ID branch stream.she introduce herself as V-Logging Vtuber lemao...true comedian indeed
Try there is, Kiara. Then ask what is the capital of Austria in Indonesian ? Because Indonesians already knew about the Holy Roman Empire before the Portuguese came to Southeast Asia. So there is no letter V in Malay= "Vienna" Become "wina"
I could see why Kronii feels bad about it, but it's fine (to me at least) because it's just Indonesian thing, even Sundanese (ethnic group) pronounce F and V as P
I was reading an interesting comment and replies, but it got deleted 😅 For those who think this matter too seriously, please get some help, and get some friends. If you're making fun of other and the other person is not laughing, that's a bully. But if both of you are laughing together, that's wholesome! And I believe Kaela laughed too. She even deliberately repeat the word over and over again just to make Kronii lose her sht lol.
IKR. People in the comment forget that in the next stream with Kronii, Kaela said "please don't say that word ever again". We don't know how Kaela really felt at that moment. But it is what it is.
Kaela: "I don't want to kill ppl because of my joke so please don't die kroni" Also kaela: "wait that isn't my joke. That's my language" Ngl I feel bad for laughing after she said that. Sorry 😔
We all know, Kronii. But it's just funny. And i think Kaela don't mind about it, and maybe she'll throw some other mispronouncing words again, and that's find me funny when she act like nothing bad with her pronounce (she knows) while you dying in the back.
And when Kaela found you laughing so hard, i think she'll continue saying that word even if she had no idea what the meaning (she just happy to make other laughing)
Never change Kronii! Whatever makes you happy and laugh, shouldn't make you apologize, you did nothing wrong! It's just how brains work! That's why we all love you and Kaela (especially her accent) xD "Flogger = Someone who has stayed awake after all others have gone to bed"?
Imo, as an ID and a normies in vtube world, I personally would feel embarrassed & it's in fact kinda rude to non-native speaker if u continuously make fun of like dat in PUBLIC (would be okay if its 1 to 1). Even after Kaela tried to explain that the meaning of the words depends on the context (1st is context & tone, 2nd is pronunciation) which I, myself believe thats true and the whole point when communicating with someone (on top of that she's not Eng native). Yet, she continuously laughing & exaggerated with her coughing (yes, I know she's sick n that's the prob). She could've just stop & explained it via pm or move to the other topics, but yeah good content/gimmick for both vtubers & clipper, isn't it?
also, I'm surprised so many self-inserting ppl here saying that "kaela is baiting kroni to laugh even more/kaela rolled with it/happy accident/etc." I think thats just her being professional and would you want her to be upset/mad in front of the 3-4k viewers and while moona also there too? (bruh, think again) while some proof in the comment like @KonekoArvi said that Kaela is very insecure with her pronunciation 🤷
@@denza3597 Then how do you know Kaela was mad/upset? She could be just making fun of herself back then, please don't take conclusion so fast my guy, you just spread hate. They are entertainer after all. Not to mention, the one that feels bad here is Kroni, that's already good relationship, knowing your mistakes and learn from that, everyone makes mistakes.
@@denza3597 And Kroni is one of Kaela's close friend in Hololive, they have chemistry for each other. Because of that, Kaela KNEW that Kronii DID NOT mean to offend, so she just go with it to make Kroni laugh more.
@@ravikhay3056 u read me wrong my guy, "would kaela want to be upset/mad =/= she's really upset/mad" u don't get the context. Also, I'm not spreading the hate, my comments are not about dat. Most of the comments are acting like they're kaela/they know how she feels atm. I am sharing my personal opinion as if I were in Kaela position or as a normies ID viewer (3rd person) atm, which is getting laughed exaggeratedly about language u're not nativve in PUBLIC is an absolute no fun and plain rude. And yes, I've read some of the comments saying she wasn't upset, and they did talk behind the scene and some say she is indeed insecure with her pronunciation. sc: @dariend8659 21 hours ago IKR. People in the comment forget that in the next stream with Kronii, Kaela said "please don't say that word ever again". We don't know how Kaela really felt at that moment. But it is what it is. @Yenrei 20 hours ago Kaela already said that she wasn't upset, and they've already talked behind the scenes. She didn't really need to address this, but I respect her for doing it anyway. @KonekoArvi 22 hours ago Kaela said before that she's very insecure with her pronunciation and has shared this with Kronii off-stream. That's why Kronii felt so bad about it. But Kaela said on stream that it's okay if Kronii's happy, she's happy and Kronii already knows about her situation. So all good.
Yeah, I don't think Kaela will be angry with Kronii or anything, but it's definitely not a great time for her either. Well, it happens. I hope that everybody can move on and try not to bring it up anymore, at least not too much
No,I don't think so Kaela still pronounce very as ferry till today,no one pointing it out from native speaker either they don't want to embarrass her or kaela doesn't wanted to be corrected as she said often "it's fine , it's ok English it's hard,Japan is hard let's use Passion instead "
0:55 I feel like she's not worried about the sexual term (which is why she mention the term from urban dictionary instead of the real meaning as punishment) cause she realized the term "flogging" nowadays politically being used by racist/xenophobic westerner on twitter as an excuse to fear mongering or downgrade some countries that use flogging, either if that was in the past or still exist or non exist at all, so that could be insensitive. But it's okay Kronii you don't need to worry too much that wasn't your intentions like that, it's all good.
As an Indonesian that often being made fun of because of my accent, ngl my heart hurt for Kaela at the moment but yeah, thankyou Kronii for this explanation Please don't mock ESL people just because of our accent, we really try our best to produce the sound 😂 But yeah, friendly banter always gladly accepted, but no mockering, that's all ;) Edit: I also think Kronii and Kaela just joking around between friends, just a banter between friends, so yeah, all good, I feel bad for Kaela bcs I am getting personal but I think they are friend so it just not really that deep
I was wondering where is the hater comment but seems its "deleted" oh well. Remember if both have fun, its a joke. If not then its harasment. Im as not english first language speaker n typer feels is normal to someone correct me if im wrong. Friend that battering each other is more close than the "normal" one
First laugh : Ok, part of entertainment Second, Third, Fourth, etc : Actually, that's very rude But luckily Kaela is Indonesian which is why she is very relaxed in responding to such things. I can't imagine if it was a Japanese, Arab or Russian person.. she must be very embarrassed
the pronounciation and the accent kinda make Kaela weak in English speech. But at the same time it gives Kaela her own uniqueness. i can't blame Kronii for laughing at that, but she should more be clear with what reason behind her uncontrollable laughter (i think she did, but she can't clearly said it) nah, it's alright.
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Honestly i think after the first laugh Kaela saying it more,just to make kronii lose her shit more lmao
Yeah, Kaela likes to bait/provoke more, even when she don't know what makes Kronii laugh
where's the JDON Bae!?
Kaela said before that she's very insecure with her pronounciation and has shared this with Kronii off-stream. That's why Kronii felt so bad about it.
But Kaela said on stream that it's okay if Kronii's happy, she's happy and Kronii already knows about her situation. So all good.
Kaela also repeated herself to the pitiable point
Kronii just laughed
Pemaloe and ela learned something new while kronii had a good laugh so yeah, just happy accidents.
But in Indonesia we pronounce it like that. Its accent thing.
Its like, if your close friend laughs at you its okay, but if its literally anyone else then its a problem
There are no mistakes, only happy (funny) accidents.
uncle bob????
For some Indonesian bros, we actually thank for that moment because it made us learn the different pronunciation between V and F. Really, I never differentiate them my whole life
V kalau di Indonesia emang sebutannya fe.... Enggak sama dengan V bahasa Inggris.
HoloID being ambassadors for their country again.😊 Outdonesians love it too. We learn a lot about ID bros.
I'm not an English teacher or anything but here is how I would distinguish as a native English speaker. The v sound is not generated in the mouth... It's generated in the throat. Kaela, in her efforts to distinguish, pronounced the letter too hard when it's the soft pronunciation that would have made the error obvious.
Try it. Pronounce the letter v very gently, with very little force. If it sounds like a pressure cooker releasing steam, you're pronouncing it wrong. It should sound like low humming, and you should feel your throat vibrating deeply.
@@Yenrei oh.. it works... thanks for the tips man.
V is actually closer to B than F. Its just how you try to start to say B but you try saying it with your upper teeth touching your lower lips
Nah it's fine Kronii. It's just a silly, friendly banter. Most of us indonesians laughs at our own pronounciations all the time
Awe, Kronini’s a big softy.
i mean those badonkadongs really shows it tbf
@@idkwhatswhat2382fact 😂
Kronii's intrusive thoughts are amazingly funny ❤
A true friends always laugh at you then feel bad and will help your out
She picked up some comments too serious. And as we know her she might be overthinking about it.
Maybe Vtuber Twitter is hallucinating drama where none exists again. It is their favourite activity.
@@thrownstair Socmed dumbed people down me thinks.
@@thrownstair That's...just normal twitter.
Kaela already said that she wasn't upset, and they've already talked behind the scenes. She didn't really need to address this but I respect her for doing it anyway.
if anything, im sure kaela sees it as a very silly moment, considering how ela kept rolling with it to make her laugh sm, plus they've hung out lots before as well as close with one another so no need to turn this into a bad side
i'm 100% sure any of the ID will pronounced it the same way kaela did honestly
Not really. Zeta and Ollie pronounce v and f very distinctly differently. Out of the ID girls those two seem to have learned english much earlier than the others, hence the "better" accent.
Yeah, Kaela's (or ID in general) pronounciations are part of the charm. Kaela may have already expected Kronii to point it out and make a quick bit, idk.
I felt like on the first 2 instance, she really didnt know but after that, she continued for the bit. I mean, we know kaela isnt dumb or stoopid.
While we can argue that she didnt know why kronie is laughing, if it was really embarassing, she would've stopped and yet she continued.
@@konaqua122 actually we indonesian only know Vlogging Words, we dont know what is Flogging , and never heard about it if we didnt search
Did you search for what Kronii meant then? Just curious
@@konaqua122 That's what I thought too. Kaela was confused the first few times, but when Kronii continued laughing, you can see her eyes light up and kept repeating it even if she didn't know what the joke was.
@@Recidivous She knows what word Kronii was laughing at and intentionally repeated the word. Although I don't think Kaela knew what the joke was. I feel she knew it has something to do with "vlogging" so she just repeated saying that.
I believe this because I know Kaela is smart, even though she doesn't look like it in streams.
Kaela: Flogging💅💅
If there's one thing about this part is that, Kaela would feel bad, but should also be proud that she learned from the experience.
It'll build self-confidence and experience. I'm sure Kaela will look back after she's learning to pronounce better in the future. Her Accent is what makes her who she is, after all. There is nothing to be ashamed of who she is. I hope Kaela finds solace in that. I knew Kaela wasn't comfortable with it at the start but soon she's coming to terms with it and I'm glad to see she can poke fun at herself right now and she grew as a person. We all can kinda see ourselves in her making a mistake and we can see that they're all human. While people would make fun of the situation, it's also important to know that is what makes people, "People" and it shouldn't be any different. I'm glad they can be mature about it and solve it as adults. Part of the whole growing up thing.
i'm sure Kaela don't mind it, she's always having fun playing with Kroni
that spaghetti noodle shooting out to her left is crazy, gonna poke peoples eyes out.
Nah don't worry that mistake's just gonna -haunt her for the rest of her career- become iconic.
All those cough syrup consumed throughout kronii's lifetime has been catching up to that day and burst out😂
As an ID viewer, I have to say, Kaela (or even ID vtubers who also streams in English in general) have our upmost thanks for opening the world's eyes about Indonglish😂
Japanglish is cute and all, but Indonglish just have it's own unique charm on it. It also helped Indonesian bros who's hesitant about their own pronounciation to be more confident in their own pronounciation now. We may don't have it as strict as the Japanese, but Indonesians can also be perfectionists in our own way too, it's like... our mutual Asian nation perspective or something
As long as Kaela is ok with it; it should be all good~
It was a grand clip
It's chillin, it's nothing really lol
They are bros so it's fine
As a fellow Indonesian, i thank that moment actually 😂 no worry, it's a chill and funny incident
I am the clock she is hugging close to her chest. Living my best life.
I haven't laughed that hard in a long time
Tbf, we Indonesian tends to make fun of our other Indonesian fellow too, so i thought kaela'd think that way too since we especially in SE Asia tends to joke almost lots of things
I mean it created an awesome clip moment
who can ignore the pure humor of pronunciation lol
kronii have a big heart
Tylenol be hitting hard that day.
I think there is no reason to feel bad about it. Kaela even rolled with it and reappeared it to make Kronii laugh even more.
Because of things like this, they create the best memories. I just say Jdon my soul and Bae even made a T-shirt out of it.
Kaela's a professional, ofc she rolls with it, nevertheless, good on kronii to recognize it
Kaela is, I believe, alright with it. But we all live and learn
I get where Kaela came from because they sounded the same to me too, but I also get Kronii's perspective as someone who can clearly tell the difference pronunciation can be funny
I hope neither of them actually stress about this. It was a fun, goofy moment on stream, nothing more 👍
At that stream, I actually wanting for Kaela to speak english with how Indonesian read alphabet.
Bro it's just humor. They both are friends, they can take jokes from each other.
In another stream after that other ID members were joking about it too. It's all cool amongst friends.
Now it's Kaela's turn to laugh when she sees this.
I was watching Kaela pov side when that happen and i hear kroni side with saying the same all the time, the V sound like F, but then i saw one kroni clip and i can totally hear the diference, as a ESL myself, i think discord or mic little distortions Made that mistake
Nah the laugh was still the best option, Kaela probably dont mind and repeat the word because it made Kronii lose her sht 😂
Next time try learning a foreign language and hear natives laughing their asses off when you talk. It doesn't feel nice if you have no idea what you've said wrong.
Not quite, while Kaela understands, she is self-concious about it. Kaela was not exactly the most fluent English speaker and she needs to be extra thick not to be embarrassed by it.
@@telefrag. Grow some thick skin, Bound to happen to ESL students.. it's not how you fall, it's how you get up that matters
@@telefrag. I would just assume I said something funny and wondered what it was. I mean, this has been a joke for as long as I remember, where someone says something in another language and they say something ridiculous, and they just look at they guy like he's crazy.
@@telefrag. LMAOOO LAPLUS SAID ASS
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It just means that Kronii treat her like a genuine friend. Close friends roast each other and she felt comfortable enough make fun of her and that's totally normal.
Misunderstandings from pronunciation mistakes can be funny. It’s when you’re making fun of their accent even though they’re speaking understandably enough that you should reconsider. It’s like the Tam Gandr situation.
well at least its the best decision for the content
bruh I've just searched on urban dictionary and finally got why she was laughing THAT hard, lmfao.
Knowing Kaela, she probably happy to make her oshi laugh 😂
Laughing is okay, but when Kaela asks what the word means, Kronii should just explain it-or at least part of it-so they can laugh together. I've seen similar situations where a simple explanation of the meaning really helps the other person avoid feeling embarrassed.
But kaela didn't ask what's the meaning of it (on stream). She just asked how to pronounce it correctly
Til there is an urban dictionary definition for flogging
Did not appear mocking at all, just an absolute moment between good buddies. 😊
I didn’t even know there was an urban dictionary definition for flogging…
*insert joke about "Edging" meaning browsing the internet using the Edge Web Browser.
I learned a new cursed word because of that.
Well, I think it's about different pronounciation for every country
Remember "ngaca" ? Kaela taught Biboo about it. I know if in English pronounciation, word ngaca is spelling "ngaka" because "C" in English has many different pronounciation depending on the word. Sometimes it spelled "K" (like Crayon, Country), sometimes it spelled like "S" (Citron, Cyber), and maybe "Ch" too (Cherry, Cheese)
However, in Indonesia, "C" always spelled "Ch" no matter what. That's why word "Ngaca" is spelled "Ngacha" in Indonesia
Same goes with "vlogging" and "flogging". We Indonesian can't differentiate "F" and "V", so that's why Kaela was very confused about Kronii's laugh
Before I check urban dictionary, am I typing in flogging?
We all make mistakes in the heat of passion
as indonesian i too have trouble saying f and v in english, because in indonesian we spell f = ef, and v = fe.
in indonesian: hayo lhoo
Tbf indonesians don't really differentiate the pronunciation of 'f' and 'v' so it was also kinda understandable on kronii's behalf
We pronounce V as fe.
@@bbudimanalqodri but as a word, it is the same
@@brilleon she is Indonesian, so she use Indonesian accent
its a bit late to say this, but i think its fine. at first yea maybe kaela insecure about it. but then she double down and jokes about it. you can see in her Lethal Company ID branch stream.she introduce herself as V-Logging Vtuber lemao...true comedian indeed
Average indonesian only knows the word "whipping" instead of "flogging" so its understandable people found us pronounce funny
Is okay we all did som V-blogging in our youth
The question is how can Kronii know this term?
Maybe Darkest Dungeon would be a fun game for Kaela to try.
I don't even know about the sexual use of flogging. Weird, never heard of it being used in a lewd way,
I like Kaela's accent, I'm always ready to laugh like an idiot (not in a racist way)
Try there is, Kiara.
Then ask what is the capital of Austria in Indonesian ?
Because Indonesians already knew about the Holy Roman Empire before the Portuguese came to Southeast Asia.
So there is no letter V in Malay= "Vienna" Become "wina"
I could see why Kronii feels bad about it, but it's fine (to me at least) because it's just Indonesian thing, even Sundanese (ethnic group) pronounce F and V as P
yeah that word i think is too deep
thanks kronii.
though, to be fair, it did sound very interesting.
As an Indonesian, i understand the difference between F & V after started learning Japanese 😂
F is more H, and V is more B
So in this case, Vlogging with pronunciation is more like "Blogging"?
F is more H as in Indonesia or English?
@@oyaoya5200In Japanese, probably. Japanese represents 'b' as a voiced 'h', the way 'd' is a voiced 't' and 'z' is a voiced 's'.
OK, but where is Raora Flogging?
I was reading an interesting comment and replies, but it got deleted 😅
For those who think this matter too seriously, please get some help, and get some friends.
If you're making fun of other and the other person is not laughing, that's a bully. But if both of you are laughing together, that's wholesome! And I believe Kaela laughed too. She even deliberately repeat the word over and over again just to make Kronii lose her sht lol.
Yeah it's simple. Don't be too serious so you can still enjoy it, but don't get carried away to the point of going too far
if i make a mistake in English please don’t correct me i have no respect for this language 😂😂😂
''if you're a Vtuber and your content if flogging you will be a flog youtube Vtuber''
Wow so many people are so sure how Kaela feels about things, how amazing
IKR. People in the comment forget that in the next stream with Kronii, Kaela said "please don't say that word ever again". We don't know how Kaela really felt at that moment. But it is what it is.
Kaela: "I don't want to kill ppl because of my joke so please don't die kroni"
Also kaela: "wait that isn't my joke. That's my language"
Ngl I feel bad for laughing after she said that. Sorry 😔
We all make mistakes
Not a mistake according to Kaela, but it is nice that she feels and thinks so deeply about what she could have done better
Wasn't a mistake. It was funny, it's only natural that she laugh
We all know, Kronii. But it's just funny.
And i think Kaela don't mind about it, and maybe she'll throw some other mispronouncing words again, and that's find me funny when she act like nothing bad with her pronounce (she knows) while you dying in the back.
And when Kaela found you laughing so hard, i think she'll continue saying that word even if she had no idea what the meaning (she just happy to make other laughing)
Wait there's an urban dictionary meaning?
Never change Kronii! Whatever makes you happy and laugh, shouldn't make you apologize, you did nothing wrong!
It's just how brains work! That's why we all love you and Kaela (especially her accent) xD
"Flogger = Someone who has stayed awake after all others have gone to bed"?
Flogger is a multitailed whip, like a cat o' nine tails, but this one is used in sexualplay.
Imo, as an ID and a normies in vtube world, I personally would feel embarrassed & it's in fact kinda rude to non-native speaker if u continuously make fun of like dat in PUBLIC (would be okay if its 1 to 1).
Even after Kaela tried to explain that the meaning of the words depends on the context (1st is context & tone, 2nd is pronunciation) which I, myself believe thats true and the whole point when communicating with someone (on top of that she's not Eng native).
Yet, she continuously laughing & exaggerated with her coughing (yes, I know she's sick n that's the prob).
She could've just stop & explained it via pm or move to the other topics, but yeah good content/gimmick for both vtubers & clipper, isn't it?
also, I'm surprised so many self-inserting ppl here saying that "kaela is baiting kroni to laugh even more/kaela rolled with it/happy accident/etc."
I think thats just her being professional and would you want her to be upset/mad in front of the 3-4k viewers and while moona also there too? (bruh, think again)
while some proof in the comment like @KonekoArvi said that Kaela is very insecure with her pronunciation 🤷
@@denza3597 Then how do you know Kaela was mad/upset? She could be just making fun of herself back then, please don't take conclusion so fast my guy, you just spread hate. They are entertainer after all. Not to mention, the one that feels bad here is Kroni, that's already good relationship, knowing your mistakes and learn from that, everyone makes mistakes.
@@denza3597 And Kroni is one of Kaela's close friend in Hololive, they have chemistry for each other. Because of that, Kaela KNEW that Kronii DID NOT mean to offend, so she just go with it to make Kroni laugh more.
@@ravikhay3056 u read me wrong my guy, "would kaela want to be upset/mad =/= she's really upset/mad" u don't get the context. Also, I'm not spreading the hate, my comments are not about dat. Most of the comments are acting like they're kaela/they know how she feels atm. I am sharing my personal opinion as if I were in Kaela position or as a normies ID viewer (3rd person) atm, which is getting laughed exaggeratedly about language u're not nativve in PUBLIC is an absolute no fun and plain rude.
And yes, I've read some of the comments saying she wasn't upset, and they did talk behind the scene and some say she is indeed insecure with her pronunciation.
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@dariend8659
21 hours ago
IKR. People in the comment forget that in the next stream with Kronii, Kaela said "please don't say that word ever again". We don't know how Kaela really felt at that moment. But it is what it is.
@Yenrei
20 hours ago
Kaela already said that she wasn't upset, and they've already talked behind the scenes. She didn't really need to address this, but I respect her for doing it anyway.
@KonekoArvi
22 hours ago
Kaela said before that she's very insecure with her pronunciation and has shared this with Kronii off-stream. That's why Kronii felt so bad about it.
But Kaela said on stream that it's okay if Kronii's happy, she's happy and Kronii already knows about her situation. So all good.
Kronii? Or Yabainii?
Bijou be like : nah this is norm
Hopefully this incident doesn't result in fewer collab with kronii 😔
But that's actually great for content but there's always consequence.
Yeah, I don't think Kaela will be angry with Kronii or anything, but it's definitely not a great time for her either.
Well, it happens. I hope that everybody can move on and try not to bring it up anymore, at least not too much
I am sure Kaela knew the pronounciation sounded like that and started repeating it rapid fire to make Kronii laugh to death xD
No,I don't think so
Kaela still pronounce very as ferry till today,no one pointing it out from native speaker either they don't want to embarrass her or kaela doesn't wanted to be corrected as she said often "it's fine , it's ok English it's hard,Japan is hard let's use Passion instead "
No she didnt, we Indonesian pronounce v as fe, similiar to f, even Moona said it flogging.
Yeah, Kaela does that all the time. She makes and says weird stuff to make her friends laugh.
0:55 I feel like she's not worried about the sexual term (which is why she mention the term from urban dictionary instead of the real meaning as punishment) cause she realized the term "flogging" nowadays politically being used by racist/xenophobic westerner on twitter as an excuse to fear mongering or downgrade some countries that use flogging, either if that was in the past or still exist or non exist at all, so that could be insensitive. But it's okay Kronii you don't need to worry too much that wasn't your intentions like that, it's all good.
As an Indonesian that often being made fun of because of my accent, ngl my heart hurt for Kaela at the moment but yeah, thankyou Kronii for this explanation
Please don't mock ESL people just because of our accent, we really try our best to produce the sound 😂
But yeah, friendly banter always gladly accepted, but no mockering, that's all ;)
Edit: I also think Kronii and Kaela just joking around between friends, just a banter between friends, so yeah, all good, I feel bad for Kaela bcs I am getting personal but I think they are friend so it just not really that deep
I was wondering where is the hater comment but seems its "deleted" oh well. Remember if both have fun, its a joke. If not then its harasment. Im as not english first language speaker n typer feels is normal to someone correct me if im wrong. Friend that battering each other is more close than the "normal" one
First laugh : Ok, part of entertainment
Second, Third, Fourth, etc : Actually, that's very rude
But luckily Kaela is Indonesian which is why she is very relaxed in responding to such things.
I can't imagine if it was a Japanese, Arab or Russian person.. she must be very embarrassed
JP members laugh at each other bad english pronunciations all the time
@mercenary128v2 JP members with JP members, it's fine.
but this is with different countries bro, and none of them japanese.
Grow some skin.
the pronounciation and the accent kinda make Kaela weak in English speech.
But at the same time it gives Kaela her own uniqueness.
i can't blame Kronii for laughing at that, but she should more be clear with what reason behind her uncontrollable laughter (i think she did, but she can't clearly said it)
nah, it's alright.