Of course Mussolini's grandson is a Lazio player 😅 Also, it's virtually unknown for people to use both their mother and father's surnames in Italy, so a conscious decision was made to keep the Mussolini name. Not to mention his middle name is Benito.
The player isn't even named Musollini on his father's side. He went out of his way to change his name to his mother's name, not a common thing in Italy
If you read into it he has a double surname which was agreed to at his baptism, also supposedly his middle name is benito, so his mum must really love her grandfather lmao.
Additional info: - His mother is a right-wing politician - He has a double surname, meaning a deliberate choice was made to keep the kinda tainted name alive - He's old enough to change that name if he wanted to distance himself from it
This, the Mussolini name comes from his mother’s side. In Italian custom, you usually only get your father’s surname or, if you get both, you’re referred to only by your father’s surname. The fact that he made that choice deliberately is pretty indicative that not only he doesn’t condemn what the name represents, he endorses it.
Why exactly must he distance himself from his own family? Also, this club has an extremely leftist fanbase - look it up, even in the video you can see Palestinian flags and Che Guevara banners. There’s absolutely no reason y’all should take this THIS seriously.
i'd change it out of shame, imagine if ever being in a talk about your anscestors and you have to tell them that your great grandfather started a war against ethiopia and greece but got his ass handed in both wars 💀
There's the funny story of Mussolini's granddaughter, Alessandra Mussolini, who is the mother of the footballer in question and is a former singer, model and actress, and now a member of EU Parliament. She released a song called Tokyo Night where she sung in Japanese. Mussolini's granddaughter was a weeb. Makes sense ig. She's also a member of Forza Italia so no wonder why the pro-Mussolini sentiment is very strong.
@@ninjalectualx Awww! That's funny coming from a copy and paste rat. Original. Come back when you can think for yourself child. Kid calls himself "ninjalectual" and thinks he's a grown up. Nope. You are just incredibly redacted. Funny that.
The Italian Prime Minister is from the Far-Right Brothers of Italy party. In the 1920s and 30s, economic problems that led to people in the working and middle classes being unable to afford to live led to populist politics from the right and left to become popular. Western Governments - including the UK and USA - feared the threat of left-wing politics more so allowed the Far-Right to get footholds in power. Sound familiar anyone?
Much prefer this message of "Not talking about this stuf allows it to continue" than the one from the World Cup video which was "This is a football channel. Let's not get bogged down in all that human rights stuff"
Fun? fact: In 2004, Iran was playing Germany. The Iranians allegedly thought the n*zi greeting was a respectful form of salute. The Iranian fans all did the n*azi salute while the German national anthem was playing and the Germans were confused and maybe offended.
To everyone saying that it's normal for the speaker to incite the fans to scream the goalscorer's surname... It's quite common in Italy, but at the same time the speaker usually repeats it only two/three times. To me it seems like he *really* went out of his way in this occasion... And yes, unfortunately it is becoming more and more common to see people celebrating fascism in this way, while the government does not act nor says anything about it. That's not only an Italian problem, I fear in the next years we're going to see more scenes like this in other nations, too
That is embarrassing. And you know what's even more embarrassing? That I found out about this here, and I'm Italian. Our country is in a very bad place right now :(
Your general points are correct, but there is some important context missing on what is going on here. What they're doing is standard practice in several countries where the speaker screams the first name ("Romano!") and the crowd answers with the surname ("Mussolini!") while extending an arm forward (not the same as a Nazi salute, just basically throwing your arm forwards/upwards). If you want an example just watch a Benfica home game (we do it every time). What presumably happened was that some idiots decided that the doing the nazi salute would go unnoticed bc everyone would be raising their arms anyway. If you watch really closely you can tell the difference (specially in the last time when they shout the syllables like "MU-SSO-LI-NI!", you can distinguish both gestures; those who are doing the former are throwing their arms forward with every syllable, while those doing the nazi salute just keep the arm up all the way). Still a waaay too large percentage of the fans doing the salute, but it's not like the whole crowd's doing it unprompted i guess.
To be fair, that’s more or less how any goal celebration goes in Italy. And yeah, even the hand gesture… although maybe here is was a bit more “1940s” I can’t really see from my phone screen
I know it’s not at all the point of the video but humanities degrees are about much more than job prospects. I’m sure Z uses his history major every single day just in his life and his worldview. I use my philosophy major every day, and I have not once been a professional academic or professional philosopher (not that that’s a job that even exists). Studying humanities and liberal arts is about making you a more well-rounded person with the skills to critically analyze information, it’s about learning HOW to learn and how to formulate one’s own ideas based on the information given to them.
Pisa?? I used to do sports data IT stuff years ago, covering worldwide sports.. on my own time, I added a few years backlog of base level standings data for leagues like Serie B, etc.. pretty sure I'd never come across Pisa (recognised most other teams shown here on the current standings.. the ones I don't are also places in Italy I've not heard of) and given how famous Pisa is, I'm now gonna cheer em on to promotion! We NEED Pisa in Serie A!!!
hey Z, here in italy we use to raise our arm(s) when the speaker says the name of the player who scored, just that. It has nothing to do with politics or similar. The news probably (surely) sort of broke out because the goal was scored by the great-grandson of mussolini. Hope to have clarified some things:D
I think the whole situation itself is very much to do with politics. Many in the new far-right, who are so dangerous to so many different groups in europe, are definitely taking advantage of the kids name and success to dog-whistle and use an excuse for their outward support of fascism and the despicable Mussolini regime. So thats for the extra context. But, unfortunately this got political a long time ago. Doing a roman salute while chanting Mussolini is very hard to argue as entirely unpolitical lmao.
Im pretty sure but not 100% sure that all those guys stole that salute from the Romans which makes sense when you learn Fascism was first invented in Italy, the word facism itself derives from the Roman fasces
im pretty sure looking at the clip that only the minority of people there are doing the salute and most are just raising their hands?? the fact that even some are doing it though is disgusting
@@TDBTylerableI have. I’m not saying that salute isn’t bad it’s horrible. I’m saying the action the fans are doing can be seen in the stands of every single football match across the world and it’s not a salute it’s just a celebration or thing they do. And with how Italian stadiums announce and celebrate goals when the stadium is meant to shout the players last name that is what they do
@@tylerlambertson9719 "I’m saying the action the fans are doing can be seen in the stands of every single football match across the world" Forgive me "Across the world"? I've seen people jumping up and down, frailing arms around ("limbs" as some people call it), clapping, rushing about and hugging friends & family members, applauding the goalscorer and chanting their name and many spilt drinks... but never that. Then again I do live in the UK, you can understand why that celebration doesn't happen around here xD
The speaker at the stadium has to take his blame for the reactions. He repeated his name, egging on the supporters, multiple times - just wanting more of the reactions from the crowd. He could - and should - have stopped sooner.
And someone with a history degree could set you straight that it's a Roman salute, brought back by Italian fascists in 1923, and then stolen by the Nazis and its use made compulsory by their members in 1926. Read a book.
While yes of course the name and the raising arm salute looks terrible, in this case, it’s normal to see throughout Italy. Using the following video at an example, you can see Roma fans salute the club as they scored 5 past Parma. Skip to around 4:30 on the video and you can see it right there. ruclips.net/video/yktqSJAS6Xg/видео.htmlsi=JYJRaClv4tPcQVag
I don't know, Z. For a person with a history degree, you seem to have an acute case of recency bias or just a huge blind spot for other examples of human suffering forced on people. Genghis Khan was responsible for the deaths of over 40 million people (not including his own men) and the "SA" of up to 2.5 million women during his lifetime. Chairman Mao instituted policies that "ended" up to 50 million lives, most by starvation (one of the worst ways to go). Not saying The Treaty of Versailles through WW2 was no big deal but you overbilled it as 'the worst in human history'. I haven't even mentioned the Atlantic slave trade.
A history and journalism degree.....mate if it hadn't been for youtube you'd have ended up a rent boy or real estate agent and I'm not sure which is worse
Real estate agents don't study history or journalism. They do a business degree, grab tonnes of hair gel, and brag about the lamest things possible. Well Australians one do anyway
@@MtEaster for someone with degrees in journalism and history he shows perfectly how low the standards for that are nowdays. That celebration is done all across Italy, CR7 had it done for him numerous times and very easy to fact check.
He should be able to play if he hasn't condoned it, not the other way around. He is not responsible for anything his ancestor did, or a name he didn't choose for himself. Just assuming he is guilty and demanding a public statement is weird.
I think you're reading way too much into this I'm pretty sure they're just celebrating the goal, and if the goalscorer's name wasn't Mussolini you wouldn't be making this video
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to add, he is loaned from SS Lazio :)
and played as RIGHT-WING back
LOL
It's all adding up... 🙏💀
oh, you mean Nazi-o?
@@HercahyoAdiSaputro bro is not escaping the allegations on god 💀
When did the National Socialist parties become right wing?
Announcer: Romano!
Crowd: Mussolini!
Zealand: I have no idea what they're saying...?
Luckily the crowd doesn't do "Duce! Duce!"
Of course Mussolini's grandson is a Lazio player 😅
Also, it's virtually unknown for people to use both their mother and father's surnames in Italy, so a conscious decision was made to keep the Mussolini name. Not to mention his middle name is Benito.
His mum founded the Far-Right Social Action party until they joined with Berlusconi's party.
The player isn't even named Musollini on his father's side. He went out of his way to change his name to his mother's name, not a common thing in Italy
If you read into it he has a double surname which was agreed to at his baptism, also supposedly his middle name is benito, so his mum must really love her grandfather lmao.
He's loaned out form Lazio. Of course THEY want Mussolini...
He didn't choose his surname, blame his mom or something
@@TheShruikyet Lazio never played him lmao
He went out of his way as a newborn? Bro 😂
Additional info:
- His mother is a right-wing politician
- He has a double surname, meaning a deliberate choice was made to keep the kinda tainted name alive
- He's old enough to change that name if he wanted to distance himself from it
His mother WAS right-wing, apparently she’s now a massive LGBTQ ally and is critiquing her old party-mates like crazy
This, the Mussolini name comes from his mother’s side. In Italian custom, you usually only get your father’s surname or, if you get both, you’re referred to only by your father’s surname. The fact that he made that choice deliberately is pretty indicative that not only he doesn’t condemn what the name represents, he endorses it.
Shouldn't distance yourself from your family name
Why exactly must he distance himself from his own family? Also, this club has an extremely leftist fanbase - look it up, even in the video you can see Palestinian flags and Che Guevara banners.
There’s absolutely no reason y’all should take this THIS seriously.
i'd change it out of shame, imagine if ever being in a talk about your anscestors and you have to tell them that your great grandfather started a war against ethiopia and greece but got his ass handed in both wars 💀
Lazio youth coach took one look at him and made him a right side defender lmao
There's the funny story of Mussolini's granddaughter, Alessandra Mussolini, who is the mother of the footballer in question and is a former singer, model and actress, and now a member of EU Parliament. She released a song called Tokyo Night where she sung in Japanese. Mussolini's granddaughter was a weeb. Makes sense ig. She's also a member of Forza Italia so no wonder why the pro-Mussolini sentiment is very strong.
Alix Mussolini also had a spat with Celtic fans
Fash is back in fashion across the western world this isn't surprising.
Sure it it kid. Sure.
@jordan please don't comment until you're older than 13
@@ninjalectualx
Awww! That's funny coming from a copy and paste rat. Original. Come back when you can think for yourself child.
Kid calls himself "ninjalectual" and thinks he's a grown up. Nope. You are just incredibly redacted. Funny that.
Yes, they no longer target Jews though - they have switched targets.
@@jordan_roadhouse4798 Europe is more united than it seem be prepared for it we are tired of idiots. The end (of the American Empire) is near.
The Italian Prime Minister is from the Far-Right Brothers of Italy party.
In the 1920s and 30s, economic problems that led to people in the working and middle classes being unable to afford to live led to populist politics from the right and left to become popular. Western Governments - including the UK and USA - feared the threat of left-wing politics more so allowed the Far-Right to get footholds in power.
Sound familiar anyone?
Much prefer this message of "Not talking about this stuf allows it to continue" than the one from the World Cup video which was "This is a football channel. Let's not get bogged down in all that human rights stuff"
The fact that Mussolini is playing for SS Lazio is the most obvious thing that ever happend ever
Looking 40 Zealand keep it up
mean :( he looks good
@ for 40 yeah
as a 33 year old man with a history degree, i can confirm i am yet to use it
Holy shit is that aj styles!!
@otgomario from 2015 when he was iwgp champ, yeah
@@bentarbuck6161 I'm jealous
as a 35 yo man with a sociology degree, I sympathize.
I presume it got you a job?
Fun? fact: In 2004, Iran was playing Germany. The Iranians allegedly thought the n*zi greeting was a respectful form of salute. The Iranian fans all did the n*azi salute while the German national anthem was playing and the Germans were confused and maybe offended.
To everyone saying that it's normal for the speaker to incite the fans to scream the goalscorer's surname... It's quite common in Italy, but at the same time the speaker usually repeats it only two/three times. To me it seems like he *really* went out of his way in this occasion... And yes, unfortunately it is becoming more and more common to see people celebrating fascism in this way, while the government does not act nor says anything about it. That's not only an Italian problem, I fear in the next years we're going to see more scenes like this in other nations, too
Mass migration of Muslims is what caused this, everyone knows
Idk if stormed the Bastille is the right comparison for Mussolini seizing power
That is embarrassing. And you know what's even more embarrassing? That I found out about this here, and I'm Italian. Our country is in a very bad place right now :(
You're Americanised. Italy is good. You're an annoying lib.
Your general points are correct, but there is some important context missing on what is going on here. What they're doing is standard practice in several countries where the speaker screams the first name ("Romano!") and the crowd answers with the surname ("Mussolini!") while extending an arm forward (not the same as a Nazi salute, just basically throwing your arm forwards/upwards). If you want an example just watch a Benfica home game (we do it every time). What presumably happened was that some idiots decided that the doing the nazi salute would go unnoticed bc everyone would be raising their arms anyway. If you watch really closely you can tell the difference (specially in the last time when they shout the syllables like "MU-SSO-LI-NI!", you can distinguish both gestures; those who are doing the former are throwing their arms forward with every syllable, while those doing the nazi salute just keep the arm up all the way). Still a waaay too large percentage of the fans doing the salute, but it's not like the whole crowd's doing it unprompted i guess.
The dramatic lighting really accentuates the fivehead there
One of the worst things about this is the comments online if you look it up. Lots of people saying that it’s cool and "w italy” etc
Man, those are just 14 year old kids trying to be cool.
To be fair, that’s more or less how any goal celebration goes in Italy. And yeah, even the hand gesture… although maybe here is was a bit more “1940s” I can’t really see from my phone screen
Never in my life is that a Nazi salute, they're just cheering
I know it’s not at all the point of the video but humanities degrees are about much more than job prospects. I’m sure Z uses his history major every single day just in his life and his worldview. I use my philosophy major every day, and I have not once been a professional academic or professional philosopher (not that that’s a job that even exists). Studying humanities and liberal arts is about making you a more well-rounded person with the skills to critically analyze information, it’s about learning HOW to learn and how to formulate one’s own ideas based on the information given to them.
Thank you for speaking out Zealand.
Of course he is contracted to Lazio. It is all adding up
Pisa??
I used to do sports data IT stuff years ago, covering worldwide sports.. on my own time, I added a few years backlog of base level standings data for leagues like Serie B, etc.. pretty sure I'd never come across Pisa (recognised most other teams shown here on the current standings.. the ones I don't are also places in Italy I've not heard of) and given how famous Pisa is, I'm now gonna cheer em on to promotion!
We NEED Pisa in Serie A!!!
managed by the legendary pippo inzaghi btw
Newsflash: the birthplace of fascism is fascist
Extremely cinematic lighting on this one 😂 the shadows!
1:20 easy there, big Z. You don't have to whip I out 😮💨
omg, is that a picture of him all hair and no forehead in the background?, sorry just trying to lighen the mood on a very serious subject.
We got Milei as president in Argentina, a Mussolini lover
Get a job
@@kayhoornget a brain
I wonder who those dislikes are from 🤔
hey Z, here in italy we use to raise our arm(s) when the speaker says the name of the player who scored, just that. It has nothing to do with politics or similar. The news probably (surely) sort of broke out because the goal was scored by the great-grandson of mussolini. Hope to have clarified some things:D
No. If you give fascists an inch, they will take a mile. Your attitude is why fascism is on the rose globally
I have been to Italian football games and can confirm, this is totally normal for all the teams I have seen
someone has to tag him in the videos where napoli fans would chant “higuain”
I think the whole situation itself is very much to do with politics.
Many in the new far-right, who are so dangerous to so many different groups in europe, are definitely taking advantage of the kids name and success to dog-whistle and use an excuse for their outward support of fascism and the despicable Mussolini regime.
So thats for the extra context. But, unfortunately this got political a long time ago.
Doing a roman salute while chanting Mussolini is very hard to argue as entirely unpolitical lmao.
@@jord.an6123If those groups don't like it they can go home.
The Godfather Zealand
I fully zoomed in and saw mostly 2 arms, I'm extremely disappointed. I was hopping bat shut insane stuff i did not get that.
Zealand you look great for a 60 year old.
Of course his current club is SS lazio. But shipped out to stabia.
This is deranged, yes.
Come back in 12 months, and you'll probably be seeing this all throughout the US... 😰
Indoctrinated, Anti-American insurrectionist vomits insanity.😂😂
BTW, soy boy, Nazis are FAR LEFT. Nazis were National SOCIALISTS.
Need I say more?
Aren't they lifting both arms? And just doing the ol "repeating the name of the goalscorer" thing that's being done everywhere?
No it’s just the right one
Zealand did you see the player from Peru get hit by lightning?
Im pretty sure but not 100% sure that all those guys stole that salute from the Romans which makes sense when you learn Fascism was first invented in Italy, the word facism itself derives from the Roman fasces
Football is a game about feelings and intelligence.
Like Mussolini...
You face staring at me as my phone loaded the video was a shock.
Z, have you read The defiant? super interesting book about football under facist reigns
I knew I'd see this here.
Don’t tell Marseille about this. 🤫🤫🤫
Where has English Zealand gone?
im pretty sure looking at the clip that only the minority of people there are doing the salute and most are just raising their hands?? the fact that even some are doing it though is disgusting
DAE feels like Europe but in the 1920s?
They're just saying his last name, which is a tradition in Italian soccer.
(Last name of the goal scorer of the home team)
The Roman salute is very different though.
Maybe traditions aren't all good
@ninjalectualx To be clear, the tradition is to shout the last name of the goal scorer.
Don't be disingenuous, man. It's not about repeating the name.
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Every Italian football club does this after goals... it's crazy but it's not that deep. It's also not the nazi salute.
Consider 7:02 through to to 9:30
@@TDBTylerableI have. I’m not saying that salute isn’t bad it’s horrible. I’m saying the action the fans are doing can be seen in the stands of every single football match across the world and it’s not a salute it’s just a celebration or thing they do. And with how Italian stadiums announce and celebrate goals when the stadium is meant to shout the players last name that is what they do
@@tylerlambertson9719 "I’m saying the action the fans are doing can be seen in the stands of every single football match across the world"
Forgive me "Across the world"? I've seen people jumping up and down, frailing arms around ("limbs" as some people call it), clapping, rushing about and hugging friends & family members, applauding the goalscorer and chanting their name and many spilt drinks... but never that.
Then again I do live in the UK, you can understand why that celebration doesn't happen around here xD
The speaker at the stadium has to take his blame for the reactions. He repeated his name, egging on the supporters, multiple times - just wanting more of the reactions from the crowd. He could - and should - have stopped sooner.
Be careful hailing a cab...just saying.
I'm now a soccer fan
its not that bad let them have their salute
Italians, and many other southern europeans do that to whomever scores the goal. This is a reach.
Someone with a history degree should know that it is the fascist salute. Nazi (National Socialist) was a German political party and not Italian.
And someone with a history degree could set you straight that it's a Roman salute, brought back by Italian fascists in 1923, and then stolen by the Nazis and its use made compulsory by their members in 1926. Read a book.
While yes of course the name and the raising arm salute looks terrible, in this case, it’s normal to see throughout Italy. Using the following video at an example, you can see Roma fans salute the club as they scored 5 past Parma. Skip to around 4:30 on the video and you can see it right there.
ruclips.net/video/yktqSJAS6Xg/видео.htmlsi=JYJRaClv4tPcQVag
I don't know, Z. For a person with a history degree, you seem to have an acute case of recency bias or just a huge blind spot for other examples of human suffering forced on people. Genghis Khan was responsible for the deaths of over 40 million people (not including his own men) and the "SA" of up to 2.5 million women during his lifetime. Chairman Mao instituted policies that "ended" up to 50 million lives, most by starvation (one of the worst ways to go). Not saying The Treaty of Versailles through WW2 was no big deal but you overbilled it as 'the worst in human history'. I haven't even mentioned the Atlantic slave trade.
His brain is diseased with a certain tribe's propaganda, and he actually thinks he's intelligent because of it. Literal NPC.
Sessena
Sassena
video starts at 1:52
A history and journalism degree.....mate if it hadn't been for youtube you'd have ended up a rent boy or real estate agent and I'm not sure which is worse
Real estate agents don't study history or journalism. They do a business degree, grab tonnes of hair gel, and brag about the lamest things possible.
Well Australians one do anyway
im just here to see this guy get bullied about his hair line.
my favorite thing about il duce is that he praised FDR many of times
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this is kinda pointless... you can blame a kid for the sins of the great grandfather.. thats just mental?
Zealand literally says he does not blame the dude. He believes the celebrating of the fans is really bad
@@MtEaster for someone with degrees in journalism and history he shows perfectly how low the standards for that are nowdays. That celebration is done all across Italy, CR7 had it done for him numerous times and very easy to fact check.
Personally I think he shouldn't be able to play if he's not willing to condem his actions
He should be able to play if he hasn't condoned it, not the other way around. He is not responsible for anything his ancestor did, or a name he didn't choose for himself. Just assuming he is guilty and demanding a public statement is weird.
Really now, what is your course in uni: journalism or history?
I think you're reading way too much into this
I'm pretty sure they're just celebrating the goal, and if the goalscorer's name wasn't Mussolini you wouldn't be making this video
i would say it’s common. napoli fans would do the same with higuain and juve fans did it with ronaldo
Juve Stabia is the second team of Juventus. They, in fact, CANNOT move up to Serie A
No that's Juve next generation and plays in serie c .
Juve Stabia is in no way connected to Juventus 😂, pretty sure there a team from Rome or somewhere close.
Juve Stabia is down close to Sorrento and Naples. They're also yellow and blue so just no way connected to Juventus at all
better than being a commie
Hail Israel
You nail it Zealand