This is the story of my family. My 8th great grandfather left Scotland for the Belfast area. His grandson, my 6th great grandfather left Ireland for America and settled in the Shenandoah Valley. My 6th GGF Samuel Black II and my 5th GGF (his son) John Black would both fight in the American revolutionary war. After the war the family settled in what we know as Blacksburg, VA. My 6th ggf had purchased 600 acres and given 300 to my 5th ggf and his brother. The land that belonged to my 5th ggf is now part of Virginia Tech University. My 5th ggf and his brother founded and helped establish Blacksburg. It is also named in honor of my 5th ggf John Black. I obviously never met my ancestors, but videos like this help me get just a peek of what their life was like.
Our ancestors may have been connected. My family owned land in Stanardsville, VA and we have records in Orange County. So cool to see someone who’s lineage is so parallel to mine!
Some years ago, my grandmother’s sister wrote that her mother’s 2nd great gf James Kincaid was born in Co Tyrone in 1762. In 1780 he came to America. The family came to my childhood home county in 1864.
Many were truly Scots Irish. They do exist, in some cases it is an accurate name. In my family some Ulster Scots married local Irish. Not everybody lets race, ethnicity or religion get in the way.
@theblacksheep5226 I was in the Republic of Ireland in 2018. There was a report on the radio of how they were beginning to see Catholic and Protestant secondary students sitting together at lunch. 2018.
My family was from the Scottish Lowlands (of Norman decent) and immigrated to County Tyrone during the plantation of Ulster. Were only there for a short period of time before settling in present day Canada ever since!
Check out the border reivers , lived on the border between Scotland and England, were a thorn in the side for both. The English relocated a lot of them to ulster during the plantation
Most of the Armstrong's that came to America ,came by way of Northern Ireland after the borders and became apart of the Scots/Irish. Many families and clans all over Scotland have many origins ,from Gael, Anglo Saxons ,Normans,Vikings and more. One story about the Armstrong's that they are decended from a Dane that rescued a Scottish King with his strong arms. And later became one of the most feared Border Reiver Clans on the Scottish/English borders. The name is still common all over the UK. And very common in County Fermanagh Northern Ireland ,Canada and especially the southern USA.
One of the things that was offered to the scots to encourage their going anywhere the king was wanting them to go, was to offer them to be able to make tax free whiskey. The whiskey tax was always a big gripe of the Scots. This started way back. And the same attitude about the tax caused the whiskey rebellion that George Washington had to deal with and on up to today with the moonshiners.
@@paulohagan3309 moonshining originated in scotland. many distillers moved to ireland as taxes in scotland were too high. some remained in scotland and reverted back to illegal distilling. (in the hours of darkness) hence moonshine.
@@brucecollins641 Can't see my original comment for some reason. I presume I mentioned something about moonshining in Ireland. Moonshining [yes, I know about the moon connection] originated in Scotland? Fine. It would make sense since moonshining was also pretty popular in the Appalachians and no doubt other parts of the States where the Scots/Scotch Irish settled. But we Irish-Irish were able to learn and also did it. Not trying to take any Scottish culture away from you laddie. Not going to enter into a pointless debate with you about who invented what. So off you go laddie to your neeps and tatties downed with a nice glass of whisk(e)y [thought to be definitely an Irish invention but we don’t mind our Scottish friends making their version of it].
My great grandfather Nathaniel Johnston was Scot-Irish-Presbyterian who had been settled in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, from where he joined the Union Army during the Civil War. Afterwards, when he got out in Iowa, he moved to Nebraska where he became a legislator. Then as a pioneer, he farmed down in Kansas where my maternal grandmother, Pansy Pearl was born, and her brother Edward who later became the vice president of the Rough Riders under Theodore Roosevelt during the Spanish American War 1898. Back to gr-grandfather Nathaniel. He and my great uncle Edward drove two teams of horses and covered wagons to Oklahoma, their last homestead. Pansy Pearl homesteaded in Quai county, New Mexico where she married the man, my father's dad, homesteading next door in 1910. My grandmother kept that 920 acre farm for the rest of her life. See Find-a-Grave for more on my Johnston Scot-Irish family. I am only recently learning this older history of my Scots-Irish ancestry. Grandmother Pansy wrote of her more immediate family above.
My Hughes ancestors Barnabas and Elizabeth Hughes left Donegal Ireland and immigrated to Donegal County Pennsylvania where they founded Elizabethtown PA His sons went on the became major players in the revolutionary war on the side of the patriots.
@@timmolloy7574 why not? They played a major role in developing the greatest nation in the history of mankind alongside the episcopal Anglo Saxon and Calvinist/Lutheran germans.
@timmolloy7574 oh you know, were just the group that ensured the defeat of England, make up majority of the early American politicians and some of the greatest American writers and musicians
Funny how most people blame the english for all irelands woes,yet the ulster plantations were started by james l (a scot)and the majority of people in the country from outside were scots
An ancestor of mine immigrated to America from Wales. His name, William Voyles and he settled in the Carolinas. Voyles fought with the Americans and when the war ended he received a land grant in Cabarrus County, North Carolina.
@@mrkitcatt2119 My great uncle was a general in the 2nd Jacobite rebellion, very many Americans are related to the Jacobite rebellion whether English/Scottish. Many Scottish were sent to the Americas as indentured servants afterwards and later escaped/blended in, etc. My direct ancestors moved here before it happened but my ancestors were very much involved in both Jacobite Rebellions. English/Scottish ties were very strong before the Rebellions were forced to an end. It was common to have family on both sides of the border over time.
Ulster-Scot American here. My people moved to Ireland (now Northern Ireland) in the early 1600s and then to Philadelphia in 1722. And they took up arms against the king in the American Revolution. It's funny how my ancestors followed the timeline exactly as depicted in this video :)
@Straight White British Protestant The Ulster Scots in America became the Federalists after the revolution. They sought alliances with Britain and were very pro-British during the Napoleonic Wars.
The Irish fighting in America were just Economic Conscripts.having little choice but to fight for Empire, At home they were mere surfs doing the biding for their feudal masters,letter regarding the Duke of Leinster conduct "The cruel hardships put on his tenants preferably to all others, has driven them to despair, and they join the insurgents, saying: 'It is better to die with a pike in my hand, than be shot like a dog at my work, or to see my children faint for want of food before my eyes"
@@vikuly8 Yes they are mostly Roman Catholic Irish who arrived in the 1840s. Ulster Scots Protestants were arriving for two centuries before the Catholic Irish arrived.
Irish Catholics having been arriving in what is now the USA for as long as English have as they accompanied one another, many were recorded as British subjects due to the colonialisation of Ireland by the English and the Scots. There were southern Irish in Plymouth and Jamestown.
@@peteymax I think you’ll find that not only were Irish Protestants the LARGEST group to have ever left Ireland for the US, you’ll find they were the first from the island. God Bless.
@@GaraGambini No, there we’re Catholics too in the earliest voyages. Jamestown had a sizeable Catholic population that was mainly but not exclusively Irish. Irish Catholics and Protestants have all been travelling for centuries to North America and elsewhere. There were Irish Catholics in Saint Augustine (Florida) and in Galveston (Texas) who travelled from Sevilla (Spain) which were pre-English settlements.
Religions in the South today are very different than those in the colonial era. Historically, the South was very Anglican. In fact, Anglicanism was the official religion in almost every Southern colony. The Scots-Irish were, of course, Presbyterian, and the Germans were Lutherans and Mennonites. During the Second Great Awakening in the early 19th century, the South experienced a massive religious shakeup as the old religions faded and Baptism came to dominate.
Many of my Scottish ancestors that first came to America/Appalachia (and not all by way of Ulster) were Gnostics and built the first Gnostic churches in my state. The had female preachers. Heretics. The whole lot of them. Hehehe
My great Grandfather came to America from Ireland as a child, abs our last name is Cooper, which means “Barrel Maker”. I actually have more Scottish in me than Irish though, and I’m extremely proud of my family’s hard work to build a better life in America and I’m very proud of my Irish-Scottish Heritage. As I’ve said , my maiden name is Cooper, so I’m wondering if any more of my fellow Irish Scottish people have the name Cooper… ? We did settle in North Carolina. God Bless all of you who make our Heritage so strong and beautiful. 🍀
My roots are from NC too. My last name is from Yorkshire and my mom side is Thomson from Scottish borderlands. My dad's mom is Scots-Irish. I don't know where they came from but they were from Ireland and Protestant. Surname Williams. Great history you got there! :)
Ulster particularly east ulster has always been a liminal space between Scotland and Ireland but don't forget much of what is Scottish culture in the ancient sense came from Irish sources , ditto parts of wales
Beautiful heritage? You sure about that? Land theft, attempted genocide and slaughtering of innocent civilians and attempting to wipe out a native population is nothing to be proud of. Certainly not "beautiful" either. I think words like disgrace and disgraceful would be more appropriate.
@@brucecollins4729 The Scotti came from Ireland and Irish Gaelic was a court language until the 15th century. The DNA of western Scotland-Alba- is shared with Ireland and East Scotland has Viking DNA. The claim about Irish Gaelic as the cultural language from the Highlands to Cork comes from Gaelic scholar and poet Frank O'Connor.
@@koto-g9k saying something once is called a reply. A retort. It uses the concept of Logos. Repeating a set statement ad infinitum is politely called propaganda. And it loses “validity” the more often it is repeated. Hence the loss of credibility.
I'm currently researching my Scot-Irish Ulster heritage. If you could give some references or links to info so I can read more about it, I would be very grateful.
It took months for decisions to be made in England on important government issues and people got tired of trying to run their lives by a government thousands of miles away to deal with what was happening at the time. The decisions could come so late that the time to act was long past and the damage done. That was a strong factor in breaking away from England, also, if you are not an Anglican, part of your taxes were going for support that denomination that you had nothing to do with. This lit the fires of rebellion too.
It's said here in Appalachia that when the English came they built a house. When the Germans came they built a barn. When the Scots came they built a still. Aint that a hoot. My family been living on the same land for nearly 400 years up here in the Blue Ridge mountains of Virgina.
My Scottish Ancestors first settled in NY, Boston & NJ. But we eventually made our way out to North Carolina and I’ve been raised here my whole life in the Piedmont area. I’m a Cooper, which is my maiden name. I’m very proud of my Heritage and Ancestors.
That's actually really cool that your family has been in that area for so long....I hope to visit there some day I've heard it's beautiful. Greetings from Canada.
Same here! My dad’s family settled in monroe county wv in the 1700’s and my mom’s in augusta county but we all live in botetourt county now. Same general area.
Most Anglo Irish Scottish Americans like myself don't realize that these are the events that led up to our families leaving Europe for the new promiseland❤
It isn't your 'heritage'. American is your heritage, you are American no more no less. Keep pretending to be a Scot despite being born and bred in America. I bet you have never even been to Ulster. The only thing Scottish or Scots-Irish about you is your lineage.
You are a plastic paddy if you are going to go around saying you're Scots-Irish. You know, you don't have Irish lineage, by the way. If anything you are of Scottish blood, Scots-Irish should stop pretending to be Irish, they are merely Scots who came to live in Ireland and later America. You are of SCOTTISH ancestry, not Irish!
Red Hand C Petersen Hahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!! "...Scots are much better than Irish in many ways. It was the Scots who made Ulster" C Petersen, I'm an American of Irish heritage (so you know "where I'm coming from"), please don't be informed by intellectually challenged persons such as Red Hand. Ulster was an Irish province since ancient times many centuries before Red Hand's people were planted there by the British monarchy in the 1600s. By the way, Scotland got it's name from the Irish people who settled there .The Gaelic kingdom of Dalriada was of Ulster and the western coast of Scotland. The ancient Romans called the Irish 'Scot's, and that's how Scotland got it's name. The national language of Scotland is Gaelic-the native language of the Irish. Ireland is an very ancient nation far older than England-which began in about the 5th century.
@deborah Bennett I'm Scottish and have dark blue eyes 6ft tall and sallow skinned. I have Irish ancestry from my mothers side but they where all pale with light brown hair and my fathers side was obviously from the highlands but they have really dark hair and tanned skin, but I have noticed when I was working in the north east of Scotland a lot of the people had dark hair with pale blue eyes.
No the Penal Laws were in force in Britain and Ireland and The The Irish Regiments were raised out of those serving within the thirteen British Colonies and sent into the field as British Regiments....105th regiment of Foot and 'The 2nd American Regiment.....'The Volunteers of Ireland'.... constructed by 'The Earl of Moira' as it's said sometime ...'Needs Must' this being seen as another classic... IRISH Solution..... a British Problem...
after years and years of studying genealogy and my birth mother insisting we were irish ive discovered the truth, we were irish but we were scots irish my scots irish ancestors settled in ohio
Dan Ellot Scotland, Daniel Elliot of Ulster, banish from both the Scottish and English kingdoms, 1607, moved onto a Sumerville-Hamilton lease of Tullykelter, Co Fermanagh, Ulster, by 1610. Fought along side the Hamilton, allied with the Irish against Cromwell as Royalist for Charles II, then transported as Scottish POW slaves to The Colonies, The English Parliament-Tories laugh about it today, but they never brought my family back when Charles II became king.
To the people who keep arguing with those who use the term "Scotch-Irish", here's some sources as to the origins of the term and why we in America use it: In 1695, Sir Thomas Laurence, Secretary of Maryland, referred to “the two counties of Dorchester and Somerset, where the Scotch-Irish are numerous.” (329-330). In 1723, two different Anglican ministers in Delaware stated that the settlers from northern Ireland referred to themselves as “Scotch-Irish,” and in 1730 James Logan, secretary to the Penn family, stated that the term was also used by settlers in Pennsylvania (330). In 1737, the editor of the Virginia Gazette referred to several ships “from the North of Ireland, and from Holland [that] have brought a great Number of Irish, Scotch-Irish, and Palatines, Passengers” (Montgomery 3). Here we clearly see the native Irish being differentiated from the Scotch-Irish. The Pennsylvania Gazette in 1756 mentioned “some Scotch-Irish kill’d” by Indians on the Pennsylvania frontier (Montgomery 3). Further south, Governor Arthur Dobbs of North Carolina, an immigrant from Ulster himself, wrote of seventy-five families “from Pennsylvania of what we call Scotch-Irish Presbyterians” who settled in his colony in 1755 (Leyburn 215). In the late 1760’s, the Anglican minister Charles Woodmason preached among “Scotch Irish Presbyterians from the North of Ireland” who were living in the South Carolina backcountry (Hooker 14). And in 1772, a newspaper advertisement in the Virginia Gazette reported a runaway African slave named Jack who “speaks in the Scotch-Irish dialect” (Bridenbaugh 169).
It's still wrong, in 1695 it was wrong and it is still wrong today. Sir Thomas Lawrence was English and showed his ignorance of Scotland by using the term
@@MormonHoldem according to these accounts, those early settlers from northern Ireland referred to themselves as Scotch-Irish. Not saying it's wrong or right, just what history shows us
@@MormonHoldem Don't get your panties in a knot, and the Scots who left Scotland have more right to speak about it than you do. The ones who left actually rebelled with the Jacobites. The ones who stayed behind were the bystanders.
@@MormonHoldem Ease up, Scotch is just Saxon for Scottish (OE: Scottisc/Scottsc), heck One could say they are one and the same just an Adjective promoted to Noun when speaking of Scottish Folk.
Just found out I'm a decendant of John C Calhoun who was a big deal in southern states of America. His parents/family were scotts-irish that came over to the states from northern ireland. Many were murdered by indians upon arrival to America. Crazy. I knew I had some Irish in my blood somewhere.
It was the Presbyterian hatred of Anglicans and the Hanoverians that tipped the American War of Independence (civil War) towards breakaway. As backwoodsmen escaping the English great estates they used the first early rifles. Many came to US as indentured slaves for rebellion in Ireland.
@@lookman-2844 :: White Slavery preceded Black slaves in the First Colonies of the West Indies, Virginia, and New England. And US Citizens whose lineage traces back to that period with no record of a Ships Manifest are most likely descended from White Slavery as records were not kept.
@@johndoe-ss9bz Yes, potential squires got 50 acres per imported Brit, who were either people living on the streets, criminals and kidnapped boys. Once in the US these unfortunates expected to pay their enforced passage, fortune to a pauper. This is how slavery was devised as debt slavery. A child born to a slave was often a slave until the debt was paid. Black slavery was inherited from the Angolan slave trade run by the Portuguese. It was devised in the Papacy to enslave Moors and Saracens, When the moors when to West Africa people intermingled. The Church invented Blackamoors. Further Christian study reclassified Black Africans the descendants of Ham to become everyone else's slaves. This is the polite version the Church was much more candid.
That all makes sense for my family tree now because there’s records of natives beheading my ancestors and hunting them down. 1 made it out undetected by hiding and here I am I guess lol.
This is great stuff. Very proud Ulster-Scot here. My family all settled in what Appalachia and then further south - I can personally count hundreds of close cousins. My lineal ancestry has names like Caffey, McQuistion, McKimmey, Fitzgerald and McMath
I have my Mother's old married name, but know who my Father is. I met him a few years ago and tests confirmed. Following his name led me to 1700 Ireland. But...Latta is a Scottish name. I was lost awhile at a dead end. Couldn't reconcile a Scottish name coming out of Londonderry, Ireland to Pennsylvania, USA. This is a missing link, by the looks of it. And a bit of history that seems important to prior. I wish I knew more...a lot more.
@@georgemartin4963 scotch Irish as an ethnicity is a joke , it’s a fusion of Scottish English and Irish that’s all it means, most all over Ireland and Britain are already mixed in with each other with a 1000 years of interaction,
@@adambrown1654 Is it? In the Appalachians we've been calling ourselves Scotch-Irish for the last 300 years. It refers to those from Ulster who settled here.. Deal with it.🖕
@@timmolloy7574 no they just didn't listen to the horticultural society that told them how to control the plight. Scotland, Wales and England did and were better off for it
@@mrkitcatt2119 what an ignorant comment. England redirected and stole all of Ireland's food while Ireland was a net exporter of food while Irish people were starving to death, the mightiest empire couldn't lend a hand to what was a constituent country of the UK at the time, instead of sending food aid they were removing food so that the Irish would all starve to death. Another shameful chapter in England's history.
This video is 13/14 years old and that map of 1622 is 402 years old in 2024, 17th century(1601-1700), 18th century(11701-1800) 1717-76(America becoming independent in 1776 and US Revolutionery War 1775-83 during the Georgian Period).
They present this that this is to different countries. Ireland was one country. They were two different people living in the same place, one being the planters who came and push the indigenous Celts off the land. They never consider themselves to be Irish, but nonetheless lived in Ireland.
I'm just trying to get specifics! Starting to narrow down information now about when and what happened to lead up to the migration of my mother's side of the Ulster's ! Armagh to be exact! The Conley Clan Of Eastern Kentucky traces all the way back to Armagh! I've got a decent overview, just getting very specific now!
I’m a Cooper and my great Grandfather immigrated to America from Ireland as a child. We are more Scottish than Irish though. And I’ve heard the name Connelly a lot connected to our Heritage but oddly I’ve not heard of my last name Cooper or Kuper a lot.
what does that even mean. I have no fight with Scots or Irish for I am both and also German, Dutch, and American Indian. All I meant was to me this is the greatest country in the world and I will always be proud to be American
"In English minds Ulster was very unstable" King James was Scottish and the vast majority immigrants to Ulster were Scots Lowlanders! The English who moved there assimilated with the Irish and largely settled in the south east, long before Scottish King James took to the crown.
@serlaigh chantelle I was quoting. As an English Catholic going back generations who's ancestors suffered every bit as much as the Irish, the concept of a Protestant Scottish king was never appealing.
Of course, the lack of Loyalty to a Foreign King was causing the King to feel very-unstable. The Gaelic Earls of Ulster were not to be easily conquered. The O'Neils under Hugh O'Neill and the Early of Tyrconnell (Donegal-Derry) drove the English out of Ulster and fought them all the way down to Kinsale in Munster till reinforcements arrived. After the "Flight of the Earls in Ulster did the English get to divide up the land and sell it to the Guilds in London and drive off most of the Catholic Irish and force Scotch Presbyterians to become Tenant-Farmers in the Plantations. By standards of Europen Accepted Rules and Laws, the Earls of Ulster still owned the land even though some of them were living in France, Spain and Austria.
The history of many branches of my family! However, it neglects the story of the thousands of Scots-Irish and Irish who came to America through Charlestowne in South Carolina and settled in the Carolinas and Georgia and contributed mightily to what the British called “The Presbyterian War!”
What happened? The UI wanted a sovereign Irish Republic where all Irish people "Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter" were equal. How did you turn from being Irish republicans into British loyalists?
The Irish are no more Basques than the English LOL. They just have a share a high percentage of R1b haplotype with them and the Welsh. So do the English, but less so.
It's about time the so called "scotch Irish" in America and Canada educated themselves about the total history of Ireland and acknowledge their true culture not only defined by the reformation and religious bias particularly in Orange circles in Canada which is now multicultural?
The first Scots came to Uladh as gallowglass as early as the 1580/1590s for the Gaelic Lords for example Hugh ó Dónall received 8000 soldiers Scots as a dowery when he married a McLean many were given land and presume were the swordsmen the Planters hated both Scots the relationships and terminology of the ethnic definition of both groups of Scots was defined by religious differences and subsequent political changes in Ireland no labels will change these historical factors and consequences!
Proud to be a scott.ashamed to b called british .an.love ireland as a place an the people are great got a dauggter growin up in th northnor ireland with her irish mother.think its tge best mix for a kid iv ever seen.cleaver irish mother.clever scottish dad both in our own speacal ways .an shes seems to have took best of both on .an ahes growin up in ireland x
It's basically a documentary about people involved in a brutal oppression against local people in Ireland because they were Catholic... Idk why people are so proud of this they sound like horrible people
@lookatmepleasesir The Scoti were native to Scotland, they didn't come from Ireland. And yes they spoke a Scots dialect of what is the Gaelic language now. As far as what the Cruthin people spoke i dont know, but the Gaels aren't native to Ireland.
@Iamdmonah 322 after years of historical and archeological reasearch by scottish and irish experts there is not one shred of evidence to suggest any colonisation from ireland . this was was purely based on theory, which has long since been dismissed in scotland .
It was King James 6th of Scotland that took over England, why blame the English, it was the Scots that invaded Ireland, even King Robert the Bruce in 1316 invaded Ireland and his brother was the last High King of Ireland the Scots wanted to have a wedge with France in the South, Irrland in the West, and the Scots in the North.
Adolfo Bell I don't think the real irish like seen cowards connected to their name so stop this Scots-Irish crap, yous were kicked off your land and still lick the crowns ARSE so fuck off , Dublin .Catholics are Irish no- one else. Abú Èire.
My great 4 times grandfather 1st Lieutenant Adam Calhoun Scot came here and fought in the Revolutionary War his monument is in Pennsylvania! He a Scot /Irish man came here to worship God as a Presbyterian not a Catholic! That’s why my family kept moving to Scotland and then when another king came up and wanted Scotland to be Catholic they left and came to America!
@lookatmepleasesir Read my comment again mate. I never said the Gaels came from Scotland, and i know they came from Europe,hence why i stated they aren't native to Ireland. What im trying to get across here is that Gaelic traditions AREN'T native to Ireland. If you have any argument against that then state it, because these comments are just going round in circles and are just full of shit to be honest.
good question. not all ulster scots supported the 1798 rebellion , but a fair amount did. quite simply in the 19th century while ireland became a shit hole (thanks to the act of union) , the uk (and ulster) became a power house, also in the 20th century, ulster scots were scared if ireland gained independence , they would be dominated in the irish parliament by catholics giving birth the to common phrase "home rule is rome rule"
A Prod Place for a Prod People was the Sectarian Cry for a 6-county Sectarian State in part of the 9-county Northern Provence of the Free Republic of Ireland. A British Welfare State.
What about this theory? "If the Q-Celtic Gaels, or their ancestors, came to Ireland from the continent what was their route? They may well have travelled via Britain [there is no direct evidence, of course] and if they did are they not likely to have crossed into Ireland at the shortest crossing point, that between south-west Scotland and north-east Ulster? ..." (source: The Edinburgh Companion to the Gaelic Language - A History of Gaelic to 1800 by Colm Ó Baoill, 2010)
@serlaigh chantelle look up the origins of the scots and irish gaels on irish origenes. a more obvious route. considering these migrants would have been on foot. how did they get from iberia to ireland?
@serlaigh chantelle no irish entered scotland, we were already here. have you looked up the origins of the scots and irish gaels on irish origenes, you will find a more realistic account. also, let me know how they got from iberia to ireland.
No. The Irish Gaels crossed into Western Scotland. Western Scotland was settled by the Irish in the 6th century. The Extended Families of Irish Gaelic Nobles started new branches using the prefix MAC instead of prefix Mc and prefix O" to distinguish the future descendants.
@@johndoe-ss9bz well, you have a very detailed history of all the tribes in ireland(as one irish historian writes too much detail for it to be accurate) and they all came to scotland. not just the scotti but the picts and attacotti.the shore in ireland must have been like southampton docks. i will ask you three simple questions....from where,when by what route did the mythical scotti enter ireland in the first place? like i wrote you have a very detailed history of them in ireland(i know it,s made up) so you surely you must have a detailed history of how they got to ireland....nobody else knows
I'm from Belfast maine. I couldn't comment on that video but im41 born and raised here along with my fathers side of the family. Its a nice coastal town. But its cool knowing the history of it
The Ulster Plantation was arguably the worst period in Irish history.It was the cause of partition and played a significant role in the troubles.It also created a divide in Ireland which will never be repaired.Only one of many disgraceful acts the British are responsible for in Ireland
That's a rather ill-informed view, of course the plantation was a time of great upheaval, but it was not actually a protestant plantation, but a loyal one, many of the Scots who came were Catholic, likewise many native Irish (both Gaelic and Anglo Norman dependents) who were loyal also benefited, and a lot of the different people while there may have been tension lived relatively peacefully side by side to begin with. The 1641 rebellion and ultimately the Cromwellian conquest did more to create the divide than what the plantation did.
***** Your talking out of your hole first it was illegal if you were Irish or catholic to own or rent land which rules out your ridiculous suggestion that many scots were catholic Second they definitley didnt live side by side in peace there were many raids and battles between the natives and the foreigners if your land was confiscated and given to a foreign planter would you accept it Third the 1641 rebellion and cromwellian conquest was a result of the tensions and hatred and only exacberated the problem further
james murphy only some Scots were catholic, the Anglican bishop of Derry even complained about the number of "Catholics from the neiburing Kingdom of Scotland" living in Strabane! It was illegal for English undertakers to have Irish tenants at first however this proved unworkable due to miscalculations on how much there actually was so in practice saw quite a substantial number of Irish tenants living and working the land along with settlers. there were also some Irish landlords who were loyal in the nine years war who were also awarded land and took part in the plantation. It should also be noted that rather than being thrown off land it was more a change of land lord for quite a lot of people as most Gaelic Irish were tenants of their respective chieftain or Anglo Norman land lord before the plantation and never actually owned their land as you suggest. I never said there wasn't tension but taking into account the circumstances it was relatively peaceful on till 1641, the rebellion of which initially excluded Scots, although this truce ended up being ignored and many Scots ended up being mascaraed along with the English. Events in England were also a factor in 1641 the King being refused funds from parliament and that nation on the brink of civil war meant that some saw an opportunity, it should also be noted during the civil war many of the 1641 rebels fought for the king hoping to be rewarded after, in this they were often allied with Ulster-Scots settlers, which was also partly the reason Cromwell though he needed to reconquer Ireland.
+Samuel McKittrick That seemed to be the case in Scotland too, based on what I have read. Appalachia is an incredibly large place and not all the Scots Irish here came from the plantations but I have read excerpts from historians who were told by Ulster Scots that they had to leave the land they were on upwards of 3 times before coming to America. I know Scotland had several rounds of clearances, pushing people further into the lowlands, and different issues with famine, people not being able to pay rent, etc.
"It also created a divide in Ireland which will never be repaired." From my understanding Irish Catholics/Protestants intermarry at a decent rate and it seems like the violence and ethnic tension has largely subsided since the 90's.
M DNA is 98% BRitish Isles. Have great grandfathers galore that founght in the American Revolutionary War. Family settles in Conneticut, Virginia, Kentucky Proud Hillbilly.
In 1695, Sir Thomas Laurence, Secretary of Maryland, referred to “the two counties of Dorchester and Somerset, where the Scotch-Irish are numerous.” (329-330). In 1723, two different Anglican ministers in Delaware stated that the settlers from northern Ireland referred to themselves as “Scotch-Irish,” and in 1730 James Logan, secretary to the Penn family, stated that the term was also used by settlers in Pennsylvania (330). In 1737, the editor of the Virginia Gazette referred to several ships “from the North of Ireland, and from Holland [that] have brought a great Number of Irish, Scotch-Irish, and Palatines, Passengers” (Montgomery 3). Here we clearly see the native Irish being differentiated from the Scotch-Irish. The Pennsylvania Gazette in 1756 mentioned “some Scotch-Irish kill’d” by Indians on the Pennsylvania frontier (Montgomery 3). Further south, Governor Arthur Dobbs of North Carolina, an immigrant from Ulster himself, wrote of seventy-five families “from Pennsylvania of what we call Scotch-Irish Presbyterians” who settled in his colony in 1755 (Leyburn 215). In the late 1760’s, the Anglican minister Charles Woodmason preached among “Scotch Irish Presbyterians from the North of Ireland” who were living in the South Carolina backcountry (Hooker 14). And in 1772, a newspaper advertisement in the Virginia Gazette reported a runaway African slave named Jack who “speaks in the Scotch-Irish dialect” (Bridenbaugh 169).
Irish Republicanism was started by native Irish.Many of the Ulster Scots were against it(some of them being descendants of the land thieves from the plantation of Ulster .
Ulster Scots...not Irish a bit...hey’d disagree with their reflection, god blessum. I can relate. Brits caused lotsa havoc we still presently work through and us policies are very little changed from the British albeit we mostly believe otherwise. It ain’t all bad, but to dismiss the obvious only extends the animosities... we could all do better to recognize the bias nature of our ways.
I'm a descendant(mixed with Moorish) of the Calhouns of Florida and Exterminate all the Brutes brought me here. I thought that side was plain Irish but they were Scotch-Irish.
Well alot Irish changed to Protestantism for various reasons like what happened in part of my family and would of went to America with the Ulster scots.
True. Many native Irish aristocrats were not so stupid as to side with Spain and its enslaved Pope. Had it not been for the Hapsburgs holding the Pope captive, England might still be a majority Catholic country rather than a nominal Catholic one, a halfway house - not really protestant...
" Many native Irish aristocrats were not so stupid as to side with Spain" Mine sided with Britain. They were much like the Guinness family, and firmly in the Anglo-Irish class (Irish, but attended Eton, had English landholdings, served in Parliament, British army officers, married into British aristo families etc). But my direct line, though they were 'Anglo-Irish', came over here on their own accord with the 18th Century Presbyterian dissenters, and for matters of genealogy are listed with the Scotch-Irish. Anyway, interesting comment.
@Iamdmonah 322 On which side were the Anglo Normans and where did the Viking Irish decide to settle. For the native Irish it was a war they had no need of. The Irish earls like the Anglo Normans were interested in what was good for them. No one cared about the Irish peasantry.
They came to stay--stay that is,after they again emigrated to the New World and some other places (Australia?) Did Butcher Cromwell not like Irish but did he like Presbyterians? I suspect not so much a cruel social engineering joke to set these Celtic peoples against each other for the benefit of their "owners"? I think some of us have ancestry from both sides (Irish and Ulster Scot) A lot of former Ulster Scots came over here over a long time period,some were much more religious than others? Some of them founded some of our most prestigious colleges/universities while others invented ways to convert corn into whiskey so as to avoid heavy taxation on corn? Diverse?
This is the story of my family.
My 8th great grandfather left Scotland for the Belfast area. His grandson, my 6th great grandfather left Ireland for America and settled in the Shenandoah Valley.
My 6th GGF Samuel Black II and my 5th GGF (his son) John Black would both fight in the American revolutionary war. After the war the family settled in what we know as Blacksburg, VA. My 6th ggf had purchased 600 acres and given 300 to my 5th ggf and his brother. The land that belonged to my 5th ggf is now part of Virginia Tech University.
My 5th ggf and his brother founded and helped establish Blacksburg. It is also named in honor of my 5th ggf John Black.
I obviously never met my ancestors, but videos like this help me get just a peek of what their life was like.
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@@johnathonmounce2265 half
Our ancestors may have been connected. My family owned land in Stanardsville, VA and we have records in Orange County. So cool to see someone who’s lineage is so parallel to mine!
Some years ago, my grandmother’s sister wrote that her mother’s 2nd great gf James Kincaid was born in Co Tyrone in 1762. In 1780 he came to America. The family came to my childhood home county in 1864.
Almost identical on my side brother. 👌🏻
My Mother's family lines would fall under the Scottish "Hill Billys" Appalachian Mountains in VA and NC. These Ancestors fought at King's Mountain.
Many were truly Scots Irish. They do exist, in some cases it is an accurate name. In my family some Ulster Scots married local Irish. Not everybody lets race, ethnicity or religion get in the way.
true
That's the case in my four grandparents' lines. There were quite a few mixed marriages.
exactly on my fathers side i have scots irish and local irish marrying each other
@theblacksheep5226 I was in the Republic of Ireland in 2018. There was a report on the radio of how they were beginning to see Catholic and Protestant secondary students sitting together at lunch. 2018.
That fringe lawlessness comes straight from the Scottish Lowlands and Borders
My family was from the Scottish Lowlands (of Norman decent) and immigrated to County Tyrone during the plantation of Ulster. Were only there for a short period of time before settling in present day Canada ever since!
Check out the border reivers , lived on the border between Scotland and England, were a thorn in the side for both. The English relocated a lot of them to ulster during the plantation
Immigrated?
@@matthewwilson3202 Actually it was by order of a Scottish king not English.
@@brythonicman3267 my bad
A lot of them went to Fermanagh it’s been said
I'm of Scots/Irish ancestry ancestry here in the mountains of Arkansas. I've got a Border Reiver Clan name Armstrong .
Lots of us share that with you
Clan Armstrong had more Anglo roots
Most of the Armstrong's that came to America ,came by way of Northern Ireland after the borders and became apart of the Scots/Irish. Many families and clans all over Scotland have many origins ,from Gael, Anglo Saxons ,Normans,Vikings and more. One story about the Armstrong's that they are decended from a Dane that rescued a Scottish King with his strong arms. And later became one of the most feared Border Reiver Clans on the Scottish/English borders. The name is still common all over the UK. And very common in County Fermanagh Northern Ireland ,Canada and especially the southern USA.
@@aikidragonpiper71 yes siward strongarm who was Earl of northumbria
One of the things that was offered to the scots to encourage their going anywhere the king was wanting them to go, was to offer them to be able to make tax free whiskey. The whiskey tax was always a big gripe of the Scots. This started way back. And the same attitude about the tax caused the whiskey rebellion that George Washington had to deal with and on up to today with the moonshiners.
Just curious about the moonshiners. Were they popular during Prohibition? Or was life even harder for them then?
@@paulohagan3309 moonshining originated in scotland. many distillers moved to ireland as taxes in scotland were too high. some remained in scotland and reverted back to illegal distilling. (in the hours of darkness) hence moonshine.
@@brucecollins641 Can't see my original comment for some reason.
I presume I mentioned something about moonshining in Ireland. Moonshining [yes, I know about the moon connection] originated in Scotland?
Fine. It would make sense since moonshining was also pretty popular in the Appalachians and no doubt other parts of the States where the Scots/Scotch Irish settled. But we Irish-Irish were able to learn and also did it. Not trying to take any Scottish culture away from you laddie. Not going to enter into a pointless debate with you about who invented what.
So off you go laddie to your neeps and tatties downed with a nice glass of whisk(e)y [thought to be definitely an Irish invention but we don’t mind our Scottish friends making their version of it].
@@brucecollins641Yes, thank you, I know about moonshining. I just wondered about their situation during prohibition.
My great grandfather Nathaniel Johnston was Scot-Irish-Presbyterian who had been settled in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, from where he joined the Union Army during the Civil War. Afterwards, when he got out in Iowa, he moved to Nebraska where he became a legislator. Then as a pioneer, he farmed down in Kansas where my maternal grandmother, Pansy Pearl was born, and her brother Edward who later became the vice president of the Rough Riders under Theodore Roosevelt during the Spanish American War 1898. Back to gr-grandfather Nathaniel. He and my great uncle Edward drove two teams of horses and covered wagons to Oklahoma, their last homestead. Pansy Pearl homesteaded in Quai county, New Mexico where she married the man, my father's dad, homesteading next door in 1910. My grandmother kept that 920 acre farm for the rest of her life. See Find-a-Grave for more on my Johnston Scot-Irish family. I am only recently learning this older history of my Scots-Irish ancestry. Grandmother Pansy wrote of her more immediate family above.
A Good Book on this “Born Fighting” James Webb
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You miss out on William Penn’s migration of Quakers in the later 1600’s. That’s when mine came over, as indentured servants.
My Hughes ancestors Barnabas and Elizabeth Hughes left Donegal Ireland and immigrated to Donegal County Pennsylvania where they founded Elizabethtown PA His sons went on the became major players in the revolutionary war on the side of the patriots.
My great grandparents were Ulster Scots.
Nothing to be proud of mate.
@@timmolloy7574 why not? They played a major role in developing the greatest nation in the history of mankind alongside the episcopal Anglo Saxon and Calvinist/Lutheran germans.
@timmolloy7574 oh you know, were just the group that ensured the defeat of England, make up majority of the early American politicians and some of the greatest American writers and musicians
the church in Virginia - my ancestor was listed as one of the people who went there when it was first built :)
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What’s the name of the church?
I believe in knowing who we come from. Thanks for sharing!
I live in Virginia. We have many churches.
Funny how most people blame the english for all irelands woes,yet the ulster plantations were started by james l (a scot)and the majority of people in the country from outside were scots
They were lowland Scots however... Very different from gallic highlanders.
The Virginia Slaves and West Indies Slave were the Surplus Poor of England Scotland and Ireland
Mhmm but these Scots were prob just looking for a better life in Ireland like the Americans when they went to America 🤷♀️
@@Anna-ug8cq americanswho went to America ?? What the ... ??
@@Khaled-wb5qf *europeans who
I'm part Scots-Irish, or Ulster Scot - but I never knew before what that meant. Good documentary.
I,m of the Gregg? Mc Greggors scott Irish
It means your ancestors were sent to Ulster from Scotland to help subjugate the local irish
@@conorfields281 you could call it scab labour.. but they definitely weren't subjugaters
@@conorfields281 and Northern England
@ripme6616 of course they were. The British wanted anybody who wasn't native Irush there
An ancestor of mine immigrated to America from Wales. His name, William Voyles and he settled in the Carolinas. Voyles fought with the Americans and when the war ended he received a land grant in Cabarrus County, North Carolina.
Many Reivers hailed from Northumberland and Cumberland, English.
As always pretty much overlooked.
I've seen Americans wear borders tartans thinking their ancestors fought with the jacobite
@@mrkitcatt2119 My great uncle was a general in the 2nd Jacobite rebellion, very many Americans are related to the Jacobite rebellion whether English/Scottish. Many Scottish were sent to the Americas as indentured servants afterwards and later escaped/blended in, etc. My direct ancestors moved here before it happened but my ancestors were very much involved in both Jacobite Rebellions. English/Scottish ties were very strong before the Rebellions were forced to an end. It was common to have family on both sides of the border over time.
@@maskcollector6949 are you one of those that would go to culloden in full dress up ?
I agree , a lot of Americans love the Hollywood version of History
@@maskcollector6949 Jacobites in america fought FOR THE BRITISH against the patriots you imbecilic american jacobite larper DOLT
My 9th great grandfather left Ulster, county Londonderry, with my 8th great grandfather in the early to middle 18th century.
Derry
Derry or Doire
@Caden Patton MacAlasdair As an young Aussie working there, I was taught to just call it Stroke city.
@@brendansheerin8980 LegendDerry
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9 th great grandfather left Ulster ,County Derry
Ulster-Scot American here. My people moved to Ireland (now Northern Ireland) in the early 1600s and then to Philadelphia in 1722. And they took up arms against the king in the American Revolution. It's funny how my ancestors followed the timeline exactly as depicted in this video :)
My Johnston family was in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. I was born in Philadelphia.
@Straight White British Protestant The Ulster Scots in America became the Federalists after the revolution. They sought alliances with Britain and were very pro-British during the Napoleonic Wars.
Same here… Cooper family!
The Irish fighting in America were just Economic Conscripts.having little choice but to fight for Empire, At home they were mere surfs doing the biding for their feudal masters,letter regarding the Duke of Leinster conduct "The cruel hardships put on his tenants preferably to all others, has driven them to despair, and they join the insurgents, saying: 'It is better to die with a pike in my hand, than be shot like a dog at my work, or to see my children faint for want of food before my eyes"
Good to see so many Americans now understanding that they aren’t Irish.
@@vikuly8
Yes they are mostly Roman Catholic Irish who arrived in the 1840s. Ulster Scots Protestants were arriving for two centuries before the Catholic Irish arrived.
Irish Catholics having been arriving in what is now the USA for as long as English have as they accompanied one another, many were recorded as British subjects due to the colonialisation of Ireland by the English and the Scots. There were southern Irish in Plymouth and Jamestown.
@@peteymax
I think you’ll find that not only were Irish Protestants the LARGEST group to have ever left Ireland for the US, you’ll find they were the first from the island. God Bless.
@@GaraGambini No, there we’re Catholics too in the earliest voyages. Jamestown had a sizeable Catholic population that was mainly but not exclusively Irish. Irish Catholics and Protestants have all been travelling for centuries to North America and elsewhere. There were Irish Catholics in Saint Augustine (Florida) and in Galveston (Texas) who travelled from Sevilla (Spain) which were pre-English settlements.
@@peteymax
The UlsterScot Protestants were the true Pilgrims. You know this.
The vindication of Hillbillies.. gotta love it.
Religions in the South today are very different than those in the colonial era. Historically, the South was very Anglican. In fact, Anglicanism was the official religion in almost every Southern colony. The Scots-Irish were, of course, Presbyterian, and the Germans were Lutherans and Mennonites. During the Second Great Awakening in the early 19th century, the South experienced a massive religious shakeup as the old religions faded and Baptism came to dominate.
Many of my Scottish ancestors that first came to America/Appalachia (and not all by way of Ulster) were Gnostics and built the first Gnostic churches in my state. The had female preachers.
Heretics. The whole lot of them. Hehehe
This is what occurred in much of my family. They rebelled against Anglicanism and became Baptist and Methodist. Thanks for your post.
My great Grandfather came to America from Ireland as a child, abs our last name is Cooper, which means “Barrel Maker”. I actually have more Scottish in me than Irish though, and I’m extremely proud of my family’s hard work to build a better life in America and I’m very proud of my Irish-Scottish Heritage. As I’ve said , my maiden name is Cooper, so I’m wondering if any more of my fellow Irish Scottish people have the name Cooper… ? We did settle in North Carolina. God Bless all of you who make our Heritage so strong and beautiful. 🍀
My roots are from NC too. My last name is from Yorkshire and my mom side is Thomson from Scottish borderlands. My dad's mom is Scots-Irish. I don't know where they came from but they were from Ireland and Protestant. Surname Williams. Great history you got there! :)
Ulster particularly east ulster has always been a liminal space between Scotland and Ireland but don't forget much of what is Scottish culture in the ancient sense came from Irish sources , ditto parts of wales
Beautiful heritage? You sure about that? Land theft, attempted genocide and slaughtering of innocent civilians and attempting to wipe out a native population is nothing to be proud of. Certainly not "beautiful" either. I think words like disgrace and disgraceful would be more appropriate.
@@matthewwilson3202 other way round. much of what is now seen as irish culture actually came from scotland.
@@brucecollins4729 The Scotti came from Ireland and Irish Gaelic was a court language until the 15th century. The DNA of western Scotland-Alba- is shared with Ireland and East Scotland has Viking DNA. The claim about Irish Gaelic as the cultural language from the Highlands to Cork comes from Gaelic scholar and poet Frank O'Connor.
As an Irish Catholic growing up in the North, this was the turning point....
For what?
@@wellthatsokay8582 they have valid reason to "moan"
@@koto-g9k saying something once is called a reply. A retort. It uses the concept of Logos. Repeating a set statement ad infinitum is politely called propaganda.
And it loses “validity” the more often it is repeated. Hence the loss of credibility.
@@wellthatsokay8582 nah its just truth so you write whole paragraph to try prove me wrong although i am not
I'm currently researching my Scot-Irish Ulster heritage. If you could give some references or links to info so I can read more about it, I would be very grateful.
You should read God’s Frontiersmen by Rory Fitzpatrick. Out of print but you can pick it up second hand.
Great video. Very informative. Thank you.
It took months for decisions to be made in England on important government issues and people got tired of trying to run their lives by a government thousands of miles away to deal with what was happening at the time. The decisions could come so late that the time to act was long past and the damage done. That was a strong factor in breaking away from England, also, if you are not an Anglican, part of your taxes were going for support that denomination that you had nothing to do with. This lit the fires of rebellion too.
Millions of Brits living in Britain who were not Anglican had the same problem, in fact they suffered even more than the colonials.
It's said here in Appalachia that when the English came they built a house. When the Germans came they built a barn. When the Scots came they built a still. Aint that a hoot. My family been living on the same land for nearly 400 years up here in the Blue Ridge mountains of Virgina.
Mine has been all over the joint.
Would like to visit the appalachians. Maybe make some friends or not. Maybe a bit of singing
My Scottish Ancestors first settled in NY, Boston & NJ. But we eventually made our way out to North Carolina and I’ve been raised here my whole life in the Piedmont area. I’m a Cooper, which is my maiden name. I’m very proud of my Heritage and Ancestors.
@@tinydancer867 I’m a Fraser. Like that hilarious tv show.
That's actually really cool that your family has been in that area for so long....I hope to visit there some day I've heard it's beautiful.
Greetings from Canada.
Same here! My dad’s family settled in monroe county wv in the 1700’s and my mom’s in augusta county but we all live in botetourt county now. Same general area.
Most Anglo Irish Scottish Americans like myself don't realize that these are the events that led up to our families leaving Europe for the new promiseland❤
Here to learn all I can about my heritage
It isn't your 'heritage'. American is your heritage, you are American no more no less. Keep pretending to be a Scot despite being born and bred in America. I bet you have never even been to Ulster. The only thing Scottish or Scots-Irish about you is your lineage.
I'll let you in on a little secret, I am American too. Just be proud to be American is all I am asking.
You are a plastic paddy if you are going to go around saying you're Scots-Irish. You know, you don't have Irish lineage, by the way. If anything you are of Scottish blood, Scots-Irish should stop pretending to be Irish, they are merely Scots who came to live in Ireland and later America. You are of SCOTTISH ancestry, not Irish!
Which is a good thing, by the way. Scots are much better than Irish in many ways. It was the Scots who made Ulster.
Red Hand C Petersen
Hahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!! "...Scots are much better than Irish in many ways. It was the Scots who made Ulster"
C Petersen, I'm an American of Irish heritage (so you know "where I'm coming from"), please don't be informed by intellectually challenged persons such as Red Hand. Ulster was an Irish province since ancient times many centuries before Red Hand's people were planted there by the British monarchy in the 1600s. By the way, Scotland got it's name from the Irish people who settled there .The Gaelic kingdom of Dalriada was of Ulster and the western coast of Scotland. The ancient Romans called the Irish 'Scot's, and that's how Scotland got it's name. The national language of Scotland is Gaelic-the native language of the Irish. Ireland is an very ancient nation far older than England-which began in about the 5th century.
@deborah Bennett I'm Scottish and have dark blue eyes 6ft tall and sallow skinned. I have Irish ancestry from my mothers side but they where all pale with light brown hair and my fathers side was obviously from the highlands but they have really dark hair and tanned skin, but I have noticed when I was working in the north east of Scotland a lot of the people had dark hair with pale blue eyes.
In Ireland they would be maybe pirate descenancy
@@joprocter4573 Don't be so stupid, blue eyes is a Scandinavian trend. Ie vikings.
No the Penal Laws were in force in Britain and Ireland and The The Irish Regiments were raised out of those serving within the thirteen British Colonies and sent into the field as British Regiments....105th regiment of Foot and 'The 2nd American Regiment.....'The Volunteers of Ireland'.... constructed by 'The Earl of Moira' as it's said sometime ...'Needs Must' this being seen as another classic... IRISH Solution..... a British Problem...
Scot-irish here! My 5th grandparents came from Armug to Minerva New York.
Where ?
So your an American really
@@timmolloy7574 - Armagh...
@@mrkitcatt2119 *you’re
I am a Wilson from county Antrim. Proud of my Ulster-Scot ancestry
My wife was born in Dundee , Scotland and raised in Ulster (Armagh) & Australia .. I'm a Rhodesian of Scotish heritage from Australia :)):)
after years and years of studying genealogy and my birth mother insisting we were irish ive discovered the truth, we were irish but we were scots irish my scots irish ancestors settled in ohio
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Dan Ellot Scotland, Daniel Elliot of Ulster, banish from both the Scottish and English kingdoms, 1607, moved onto a Sumerville-Hamilton lease of Tullykelter, Co Fermanagh, Ulster, by 1610. Fought along side the Hamilton, allied with the Irish against Cromwell as Royalist for Charles II, then transported as Scottish POW slaves to The Colonies, The English Parliament-Tories laugh about it today, but they never brought my family back when Charles II became king.
Well said friend someone who knows what really happened
To the people who keep arguing with those who use the term "Scotch-Irish", here's some sources as to the origins of the term and why we in America use it:
In 1695, Sir Thomas Laurence, Secretary of Maryland, referred to “the two counties of Dorchester and Somerset, where the Scotch-Irish are numerous.” (329-330). In 1723, two different Anglican ministers in Delaware stated that the settlers from northern Ireland referred to themselves as “Scotch-Irish,” and in 1730 James Logan, secretary to the Penn family, stated that the term was also used by settlers in Pennsylvania (330). In 1737, the editor of the Virginia Gazette referred to several ships “from the North of Ireland, and from Holland [that] have brought a great Number of Irish, Scotch-Irish, and Palatines, Passengers” (Montgomery 3). Here we clearly see the native Irish being differentiated from the Scotch-Irish. The Pennsylvania Gazette in 1756 mentioned “some Scotch-Irish kill’d” by Indians on the Pennsylvania frontier (Montgomery 3). Further south, Governor Arthur Dobbs of North Carolina, an immigrant from Ulster himself, wrote of seventy-five families “from Pennsylvania of what we call Scotch-Irish Presbyterians” who settled in his colony in 1755 (Leyburn 215). In the late 1760’s, the Anglican minister Charles Woodmason preached among “Scotch Irish Presbyterians from the North of Ireland” who were living in the South Carolina backcountry (Hooker 14). And in 1772, a newspaper advertisement in the Virginia Gazette reported a runaway African slave named Jack who “speaks in the Scotch-Irish dialect” (Bridenbaugh 169).
It's still wrong, in 1695 it was wrong and it is still wrong today. Sir Thomas Lawrence was English and showed his ignorance of Scotland by using the term
@@MormonHoldem according to these accounts, those early settlers from northern Ireland referred to themselves as Scotch-Irish. Not saying it's wrong or right, just what history shows us
@@MormonHoldem Don't get your panties in a knot, and the Scots who left Scotland have more right to speak about it than you do. The ones who left actually rebelled with the Jacobites. The ones who stayed behind were the bystanders.
@@maskcollector6949 you refer to them as Scots which is correct.
@@MormonHoldem Ease up, Scotch is just Saxon for Scottish (OE: Scottisc/Scottsc), heck One could say they are one and the same just an Adjective promoted to Noun when speaking of Scottish Folk.
I'm proud of my ancestors and the ones who stayed in Ireland.
Just found out I'm a decendant of John C Calhoun who was a big deal in southern states of America. His parents/family were scotts-irish that came over to the states from northern ireland. Many were murdered by indians upon arrival to America. Crazy. I knew I had some Irish in my blood somewhere.
It was the Presbyterian hatred of Anglicans and the Hanoverians that tipped the American War of Independence (civil War) towards breakaway. As backwoodsmen escaping the English great estates they used the first early rifles. Many came to US as indentured slaves for rebellion in Ireland.
@@lookman-2844 :: White Slavery preceded Black slaves in the First Colonies of the West Indies, Virginia, and New England. And US Citizens whose lineage traces back to that period with no record of a Ships Manifest are most likely descended from White Slavery as records were not kept.
@@johndoe-ss9bz Yes, potential squires got 50 acres per imported Brit, who were either people living on the streets, criminals and kidnapped boys. Once in the US these unfortunates expected to pay their enforced passage, fortune to a pauper. This is how slavery was devised as debt slavery. A child born to a slave was often a slave until the debt was paid. Black slavery was inherited from the Angolan slave trade run by the Portuguese. It was devised in the Papacy to enslave Moors and Saracens, When the moors when to West Africa people intermingled. The Church invented Blackamoors. Further Christian study reclassified Black Africans the descendants of Ham to become everyone else's slaves. This is the polite version the Church was much more candid.
That all makes sense for my family tree now because there’s records of natives beheading my ancestors and hunting them down. 1 made it out undetected by hiding and here I am I guess lol.
This thread of comments is silly
Fitzgerald and Caffey aren't fucking Ulster Scot names.
This is great stuff. Very proud Ulster-Scot here. My family all settled in what Appalachia and then further south - I can personally count hundreds of close cousins. My lineal ancestry has names like Caffey, McQuistion, McKimmey, Fitzgerald and McMath
Jack T plantation "great stuff "....is it any wonder the Catholic Irish call you boys in the appellations Hillbillies.
@@anthonymullen6300 :: The Anglo/German Royal Family are closely bred too!
I have my Mother's old married name, but know who my Father is. I met him a few years ago and tests confirmed. Following his name led me to 1700 Ireland.
But...Latta is a Scottish name.
I was lost awhile at a dead end.
Couldn't reconcile a Scottish name coming out of Londonderry, Ireland to Pennsylvania, USA.
This is a missing link, by the looks of it. And a bit of history that seems important to prior.
I wish I knew more...a lot more.
I'm very proud of my Scotch-Irish heritage. Thanks for down loading.
Scotch is whiskey, you are Scots-Irish!
@@bostonblackie9503 Nope, I'm Scotch-Irish. I won't adhere to modern revisionism. But thanks for playing.
@@georgemartin4963 scotch Irish as an ethnicity is a joke , it’s a fusion of Scottish English and Irish that’s all it means, most all over Ireland and Britain are already mixed in with each other with a 1000 years of interaction,
@@adambrown1654 Is it? In the Appalachians we've been calling ourselves Scotch-Irish for the last 300 years. It refers to those from Ulster who settled here.. Deal with it.🖕
“Thanks for downloading” hahahahah proper boomer comment that is, the profile picture even ahahahaha
I have protestant family from wexford Who fled to Ontario during the famine.
There was no famine, it was enforced starvation aka genocide.
There were no Protestants in Wexford there were hardly any in Ireland at all except the colonizers
@@timmolloy7574 no they just didn't listen to the horticultural society that told them how to control the plight. Scotland, Wales and England did and were better off for it
@@mrkitcatt2119 what an ignorant comment. England redirected and stole all of Ireland's food while Ireland was a net exporter of food while Irish people were starving to death, the mightiest empire couldn't lend a hand to what was a constituent country of the UK at the time, instead of sending food aid they were removing food so that the Irish would all starve to death. Another shameful chapter in England's history.
@@timmolloy7574 Aaaah Tim are you playing the victim card.
This video is 13/14 years old and that map of 1622 is 402 years old in 2024, 17th century(1601-1700), 18th century(11701-1800) 1717-76(America becoming independent in 1776 and US Revolutionery War 1775-83 during the Georgian Period).
Good stuff
They present this that this is to different countries. Ireland was one country. They were two different people living in the same place, one being the planters who came and push the indigenous Celts off the land. They never consider themselves to be Irish, but nonetheless lived in Ireland.
I'm just trying to get specifics! Starting to narrow down information now about when and what happened to lead up to the migration of my mother's side of the Ulster's ! Armagh to be exact! The Conley Clan Of Eastern Kentucky traces all the way back to Armagh! I've got a decent overview, just getting very specific now!
Connelly still big name here
@@maloneill1315 :: A common name in the Munster Provence of Free Ireland too. James Conley was a big man in the War for Irish Freedom.
@@johndoe-ss9bz, Connelly!
I’m a Cooper and my great Grandfather immigrated to America from Ireland as a child. We are more Scottish than Irish though. And I’ve heard the name Connelly a lot connected to our Heritage but oddly I’ve not heard of my last name Cooper or Kuper a lot.
I have ancestors of Ulster , the McDowells, McElrath, Hamilton, Bailey, Small families
My moms family is McCutcheon and is descended from Ulster Scots
what does that even mean. I have no fight with Scots or Irish for I am both and also German, Dutch, and American Indian. All I meant was to me this is the greatest country in the world and I will always be proud to be American
A Good Book on this topic “Born Fighting” by James Webb
"In English minds Ulster was very unstable"
King James was Scottish and the vast majority immigrants to Ulster were Scots Lowlanders! The English who moved there assimilated with the Irish and largely settled in the south east, long before Scottish King James took to the crown.
Highland Scots were the Scotch-Irish that primarily moved in congregations to the Carolina's establishing Presbyterian clans.
So what?
@serlaigh chantelle I was quoting. As an English Catholic going back generations who's ancestors suffered every bit as much as the Irish, the concept of a Protestant Scottish king was never appealing.
@@Betty-oc6rt I thought the same
Of course, the lack of Loyalty to a Foreign King was causing the King to feel very-unstable. The Gaelic Earls of Ulster were not to be easily conquered. The O'Neils under Hugh O'Neill and the Early of Tyrconnell (Donegal-Derry) drove the English out of Ulster and fought them all the way down to Kinsale in Munster till reinforcements arrived. After the "Flight of the Earls in Ulster did the English get to divide up the land and sell it to the Guilds in London and drive off most of the Catholic Irish and force Scotch Presbyterians to become Tenant-Farmers in the Plantations. By standards of Europen Accepted Rules and Laws, the Earls of Ulster still owned the land even though some of them were living in France, Spain and Austria.
Descendent of the Gallowglass. Clan Macqueen/ sweeny clan, present.
"Constant and Faithful."
Reading my ancestry results.
Ulster Scot Presbyterians - a people as tough as nails 💪🏻🏴
Squatters and thieves
Colonizers*
7:10 i know that small town well
Imagine being proud of a heritage involved in a brutal oppression against the indigenous locals simply because they were catholic and Gaelic
Ireland had so much unessecery suffering in History by the looks of things
Lmao go learn history
Whose ancestry were pirates from Spain to Mediterranean or traders at kindnest.note how old paper was and language used.. Even then
@@Bcfcuklhpwalker lmao are you mad it’s the truth?
Ha! It's history and my peeps were part of it.
The history of many branches of my family! However, it neglects the story of the thousands of Scots-Irish and Irish who came to America through Charlestowne in South Carolina and settled in the Carolinas and Georgia and contributed mightily to what the British called “The Presbyterian War!”
What happened?
The UI wanted a sovereign Irish Republic where all Irish people "Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter" were equal.
How did you turn from being Irish republicans into British loyalists?
The reality of these people is that they will side with whichever side suits them.
The Irish are no more Basques than the English LOL. They just have a share a high percentage of R1b haplotype with them and the Welsh. So do the English, but less so.
It's about time the so called "scotch Irish" in America and Canada educated themselves about the total history of Ireland and acknowledge their true culture not only defined by the reformation and religious bias particularly in Orange circles in Canada which is now multicultural?
The first Scots came to Uladh as gallowglass as early as the 1580/1590s for the Gaelic Lords for example Hugh ó Dónall received 8000 soldiers Scots as a dowery when he married a McLean many were given land and presume were the swordsmen the Planters hated both Scots the relationships and terminology of the ethnic definition of both groups of Scots was defined by religious differences and subsequent political changes in Ireland no labels will change these historical factors and consequences!
@@paulbrowne3033 you shouldn’t believe this crap.
@@paulbrowne3033 the scottish galoglas were in ireland in the 1200s. the scottish redshanks (also hired merceneries) were in ireland in the 1600s.
@@paulbrowne3033 who gives a fuck?
@@brucecollins4729 true
Oh hey that’s me!! My DNA Scottish/Irish!! Yay!!
Proud to be a scott.ashamed to b called british .an.love ireland as a place an the people are great got a dauggter growin up in th northnor ireland with her irish mother.think its tge best mix for a kid iv ever seen.cleaver irish mother.clever scottish dad both in our own speacal ways .an shes seems to have took best of both on .an ahes growin up in ireland x
You are hard to Read!
Are you that clever you can't type properly?.
What exactly is that supposed to mean?
It's basically a documentary about people involved in a brutal oppression against local people in Ireland because they were Catholic... Idk why people are so proud of this they sound like horrible people
what is a dongvale I might would take offense to that if it actually made sense
@lookatmepleasesir The Scoti were native to Scotland, they didn't come from Ireland. And yes they spoke a Scots dialect of what is the Gaelic language now. As far as what the Cruthin people spoke i dont know, but the Gaels aren't native to Ireland.
Bollocks
Revisionism at it's worst
true, the scots never came from ireland
@Michael Halligan look up scots and irish gaels. irish origenes. not origins but origenes
@Iamdmonah 322 after years of historical and archeological reasearch by scottish and irish experts there is not one shred of evidence to suggest any colonisation from ireland . this was was purely based on theory, which has long since been dismissed in scotland .
It was King James 6th of Scotland that took over England, why blame the English, it was the Scots that invaded Ireland, even King Robert the Bruce in 1316 invaded Ireland and his brother was the last High King of Ireland the Scots wanted to have a wedge with France in the South, Irrland in the West, and the Scots in the North.
God bless all the Ulster Presbyterians. GOD BLESS THE SCOTS/IRISH..!!
Not all Scots-Irish are Presbyterian, many are Anglican and much more moderate.
Adolfo Bell I don't think the real irish like seen cowards connected to their name so stop this Scots-Irish crap, yous were kicked off your land and still lick the crowns ARSE so fuck off , Dublin .Catholics are Irish no- one else. Abú Èire.
and why have you deleted your comment karezza777
My great 4 times grandfather 1st Lieutenant Adam Calhoun Scot came here and fought in the Revolutionary War his monument is in Pennsylvania! He a Scot /Irish man came here to worship God as a Presbyterian not a Catholic! That’s why my family kept moving to Scotland and then when another king came up and wanted Scotland to be Catholic they left and came to America!
colquoun is the right title(a scottish clan) but pronounced calhoun/cahoun in scotland.
@lookatmepleasesir Read my comment again mate. I never said the Gaels came from Scotland, and i know they came from Europe,hence why i stated they aren't native to Ireland. What im trying to get across here is that Gaelic traditions AREN'T native to Ireland. If you have any argument against that then state it, because these comments are just going round in circles and are just full of shit to be honest.
🇮🇪Derry 🇮🇪
good question. not all ulster scots supported the 1798 rebellion , but a fair amount did. quite simply in the 19th century while ireland became a shit hole (thanks to the act of union) , the uk (and ulster) became a power house, also in the 20th century, ulster scots were scared if ireland gained independence , they would be dominated in the irish parliament by catholics giving birth the to common phrase "home rule is rome rule"
A Prod Place for a Prod People was the Sectarian Cry for a 6-county Sectarian State in part of the 9-county Northern Provence of the Free Republic of Ireland. A British Welfare State.
What about this theory?
"If the Q-Celtic Gaels, or their ancestors, came to Ireland from the continent what was their route? They may well have travelled via Britain [there is no direct evidence, of course] and if they did are they not likely to have crossed into Ireland at the shortest crossing point, that between south-west Scotland and north-east Ulster? ..."
(source: The Edinburgh Companion to the Gaelic Language - A History of Gaelic to 1800 by Colm Ó Baoill, 2010)
@serlaigh chantelle look up the origins of the scots and irish gaels on irish origenes. a more obvious route. considering these migrants would have been on foot. how did they get from iberia to ireland?
@serlaigh chantelle no irish entered scotland, we were already here. have you looked up the origins of the scots and irish gaels on irish origenes, you will find a more realistic account. also, let me know how they got from iberia to ireland.
No. The Irish Gaels crossed into Western Scotland. Western Scotland was settled by the Irish in the 6th century. The Extended Families of Irish Gaelic Nobles started new branches using the prefix MAC instead of prefix Mc and prefix O" to distinguish the future descendants.
@@johndoe-ss9bz well, you have a very detailed history of all the tribes in ireland(as one irish historian writes too much detail for it to be accurate) and they all came to scotland. not just the scotti but the picts and attacotti.the shore in ireland must have been like southampton docks. i will ask you three simple questions....from where,when by what route did the mythical scotti enter ireland in the first place? like i wrote you have a very detailed history of them in ireland(i know it,s made up) so you surely you must have a detailed history of how they got to ireland....nobody else knows
I'm from Belfast maine. I couldn't comment on that video but im41 born and raised here along with my fathers side of the family. Its a nice coastal town. But its cool knowing the history of it
Wish I could be from Maine instead of the damn Ozarks.
Quote: History is written by the victor
The victors like to write about history,the losers RE write it more like
Poor Ireland and its Native People Suffered indeed .
The Ulster Plantation was arguably the worst period in Irish history.It was the cause of partition and played a significant role in the troubles.It also created a divide in Ireland which will never be repaired.Only one of many disgraceful acts the British are responsible for in Ireland
That's a rather ill-informed view, of course the plantation was a time of great upheaval, but it was not actually a protestant plantation, but a loyal one, many of the Scots who came were Catholic, likewise many native Irish (both Gaelic and Anglo Norman dependents) who were loyal also benefited, and a lot of the different people while there may have been tension lived relatively peacefully side by side to begin with. The 1641 rebellion and ultimately the Cromwellian conquest did more to create the divide than what the plantation did.
***** Your talking out of your hole first it was illegal if you were Irish or catholic to own or rent land which rules out your ridiculous suggestion that many scots were catholic Second they definitley didnt live side by side in peace there were many raids and battles between the natives and the foreigners if your land was confiscated and given to a foreign planter would you accept it Third the 1641 rebellion and cromwellian conquest was a result of the tensions and hatred and only exacberated the problem further
james murphy only some Scots were catholic, the Anglican bishop of Derry even complained about the number of "Catholics from the neiburing Kingdom of Scotland" living in Strabane! It was illegal for English undertakers to have Irish tenants at first however this proved unworkable due to miscalculations on how much there actually was so in practice saw quite a substantial number of Irish tenants living and working the land along with settlers. there were also some Irish landlords who were loyal in the nine years war who were also awarded land and took part in the plantation. It should also be noted that rather than being thrown off land it was more a change of land lord for quite a lot of people as most Gaelic Irish were tenants of their respective chieftain or Anglo Norman land lord before the plantation and never actually owned their land as you suggest. I never said there wasn't tension but taking into account the circumstances it was relatively peaceful on till 1641, the rebellion of which initially excluded Scots, although this truce ended up being ignored and many Scots ended up being mascaraed along with the English. Events in England were also a factor in 1641 the King being refused funds from parliament and that nation on the brink of civil war meant that some saw an opportunity, it should also be noted during the civil war many of the 1641 rebels fought for the king hoping to be rewarded after, in this they were often allied with Ulster-Scots settlers, which was also partly the reason Cromwell though he needed to reconquer Ireland.
+Samuel McKittrick That seemed to be the case in Scotland too, based on what I have read. Appalachia is an incredibly large place and not all the Scots Irish here came from the plantations but I have read excerpts from historians who were told by Ulster Scots that they had to leave the land they were on upwards of 3 times before coming to America. I know Scotland had several rounds of clearances, pushing people further into the lowlands, and different issues with famine, people not being able to pay rent, etc.
"It also created a divide in Ireland which will never be repaired."
From my understanding Irish Catholics/Protestants intermarry at a decent rate and it seems like the violence and ethnic tension has largely subsided since the 90's.
M DNA is 98% BRitish Isles. Have great grandfathers galore that founght in the American Revolutionary War. Family settles in Conneticut, Virginia, Kentucky Proud Hillbilly.
Majority of Irish catholics supported the British? Since when? Catholics suffered under the penal laws too.
There is no such thing as Scotch-Irish, Scotch is Whiskey. It is Scots-Irish!
Both have great whiskey!
In 1695, Sir Thomas Laurence, Secretary of Maryland, referred to “the two counties of Dorchester and Somerset, where the Scotch-Irish are numerous.” (329-330). In 1723, two different Anglican ministers in Delaware stated that the settlers from northern Ireland referred to themselves as “Scotch-Irish,” and in 1730 James Logan, secretary to the Penn family, stated that the term was also used by settlers in Pennsylvania (330). In 1737, the editor of the Virginia Gazette referred to several ships “from the North of Ireland, and from Holland [that] have brought a great Number of Irish, Scotch-Irish, and Palatines, Passengers” (Montgomery 3). Here we clearly see the native Irish being differentiated from the Scotch-Irish. The Pennsylvania Gazette in 1756 mentioned “some Scotch-Irish kill’d” by Indians on the Pennsylvania frontier (Montgomery 3). Further south, Governor Arthur Dobbs of North Carolina, an immigrant from Ulster himself, wrote of seventy-five families “from Pennsylvania of what we call Scotch-Irish Presbyterians” who settled in his colony in 1755 (Leyburn 215). In the late 1760’s, the Anglican minister Charles Woodmason preached among “Scotch Irish Presbyterians from the North of Ireland” who were living in the South Carolina backcountry (Hooker 14). And in 1772, a newspaper advertisement in the Virginia Gazette reported a runaway African slave named Jack who “speaks in the Scotch-Irish dialect” (Bridenbaugh 169).
What do you want, census records proving it?
I am descended from the Ulster Scots, but nothing like this....they went to Canada.
Congratulations. Mine went to the Ozarks, so I’m suffering in Misery.
And do you troll her often?
Katrina Haven
hi. when you say it was the ulster scots that started irish republicanism, are you referring to the United Irishmen? tell me more about this.
Irish Republicanism was started by native Irish.Many of the Ulster Scots were against it(some of them being descendants of the land thieves from the plantation of Ulster .
Ulster Scots...not Irish a bit...hey’d disagree with their reflection, god blessum. I can relate. Brits caused lotsa havoc we still presently work through and us policies are very little changed from the British albeit we mostly believe otherwise. It ain’t all bad, but to dismiss the obvious only extends the animosities... we could all do better to recognize the bias nature of our ways.
Scot-Irish.....ancestors since 1740s....Virginia & Kentucky.....Clan MacDuff.......since 800 AD.....MacBeth'...Shakespeare....
Who cares? Hibernian won the Scottish Cup.
Lol
I'm a descendant(mixed with Moorish) of the Calhouns of Florida and Exterminate all the Brutes brought me here. I thought that side was plain Irish but they were Scotch-Irish.
pennydink72...colquhoun is a scottish name pronounced cahoon in scotland.
these people are making my head spin round and round we go. Who cares we are the melting pot of the world here and I love it
The USA was never a melting pot breeding with every Alien race on Earth means you will have no family ties you will no longer be from Adam and Eve..
thank the lord I live in America
Scotland to Ireland.
About 12 nautical miles
Nice quick trip back then, doubt Scotland would want them either though.
Scotch is a whisky… Scots are the people…
The English came to South Africa and did exactly the same . Colonisers who hated the Boer as an old enemy The Dutchman
You are forgetting the Scots here as well
Well alot Irish changed to Protestantism for various reasons like what happened in part of my family and would of went to America with the Ulster scots.
True. Many native Irish aristocrats were not so stupid as to side with Spain and its enslaved Pope. Had it not been for the Hapsburgs holding the Pope captive, England might still be a majority Catholic country rather than a nominal Catholic one, a halfway house - not really protestant...
" Many native Irish aristocrats were not so stupid as to side with Spain"
Mine sided with Britain. They were much like the Guinness family, and firmly in the Anglo-Irish class (Irish, but attended Eton, had English landholdings, served in Parliament, British army officers, married into British aristo families etc). But my direct line, though they were 'Anglo-Irish', came over here on their own accord with the 18th Century Presbyterian dissenters, and for matters of genealogy are listed with the Scotch-Irish.
Anyway, interesting comment.
@Iamdmonah 322 On which side were the Anglo Normans and where did the Viking Irish decide to settle. For the native Irish it was a war they had no need of. The Irish earls like the Anglo Normans were interested in what was good for them. No one cared about the Irish peasantry.
They came to stay--stay that is,after they again emigrated to the New World and some other places (Australia?)
Did Butcher Cromwell not like Irish but did he like Presbyterians? I suspect not so much
a cruel social engineering joke to set these Celtic peoples against each other for the benefit of their "owners"?
I think some of us have ancestry from both sides (Irish and Ulster Scot)
A lot of former Ulster Scots came over here over a long time period,some were much more religious than others? Some of them founded some of our most prestigious colleges/universities while others invented ways to convert corn into whiskey so as to avoid heavy taxation on corn? Diverse?
Also watch the video "barcelona is the original jerusalem and this video proves it"