@@doomguy979 That's literally impossible on battery at that form factor. The series s draws well over 250 watts. The steam deck draws 22 watts max. It's just not gonna happen with moore's law basically dead.
@@tapsofosiris3110 youre right but forgot something technology is improve everyday steam deck more powerful than xbox one and one day i believe we will see more powerful than ps5 handhelds
@tapsofosiris3110 You aren't even close to being correct. The Series S consumes somewhere around 75w of power under full load. The Series X and PS5 don't even draw 250w from the wall. The Series X consumes 160w max and the PS5 is somewhere around 200w maximum. You aren't even close to that figure. If the Series S consumed 250w that would make it extremely power inefficient and I'd wonder how they keep it so slim in that small box. In fact that would make it more inefficient than the Xbox One X from 2017
Thanks, it helps me. For those expériencing crash, disable "render mode" (fixed, etc...), it reduce stuttering and crash, better smooth. I think it's because we are at lowest résolution (800p), so it try to render it with a lower res, and its not necessary and conflictual.
They didn't optimize it for handhelds no. When I play it on my rtx 4080, it's amazing and well optimized lmao but that's expected for a pc like mine but when I run it on my legion go it's blah😢
Lol lossless is great but doesn’t help this game. Actually in some cases makes it worse due to the resources used. The ingame framegen is very good here. Better than what im getting with lossless. Its a limit in what the hardware can do combined with how the game is made. The handhelds are literally lowest end pc hardware. They aren’t always going to be able to properly play difficult to run / demanding games. We are fortunate we have what we we have 😂
One of the main reasons why I stuck to my Android handhelds is that we have moonlight, and I don't need to worry about my battery life or tweaking settings, I just use my desktop pc to stream to my Odin, it's like I'm playing it right there, no noticeable latency for for me. Great vid, but there's too many compromises with these handhelds, when I got an RP4 and an Odin, extremely portable and pocketable, I see little justification to use x86 handhelds. Unless we could upgrade em how we do with desktops. I can't justify paying $700cad+ for these. Gotta love AMD for bringing EVERYONE, Frame Generation.
Jesus Christ. I can only wonder how bad the z1 ally would run Star Wars outlaws I have a z1 ally and seeing the better ones struggle is saving my 70 bucks thanks man. And the fact it doesn’t work on the steam deck is what kicked it for me. I have a had problems with Ubisoft Connect before on deck and it don’t surprise me at all that it also had problems with
I never did get it to work on steamos. Not rly anyway. Might have loaded in a time or two. Windows i had the most luck. I will re check after actually launch of the game and updates. Make sure your 4gb vram in bios also. 1gb will crash more
Allocation more vram is worse performance. 800p uses 6Gb or less vram to run the game. Its system ram we are short and thats the issue. Sometimes auto vram works but thats a rare case. Not a fan of auto it usually the worse option and a lot of games dont like it. It also performed much worse.
@GameTechPlanet thanks for that, only recently come back to pc gaming after my ps5 died a few months back. Trying to decide whether to play SWO on low settings or wait til the ps5 pro comes out and play it then 🤔
Capping 30 will be tough when you cant reach that without frame gen. But can try. As far as fsr i showed that and talked about it. Picture quality was f course keeps getting hit as u go from balanced to performance to ultra performance. With thos you can gain 1-2 fos more thats about it. We hitting out limits here hardware wise.
if they made this not to be played for handhelds well state it. Don't put it out like this it feels like they didn't even hesitate to try it out on a handheld, yet optimise it. Basically a tech demo alpha stage ''something'' performance wise
Definitely looks great on the Go screen. Pretty playable with some work. Hopefully some updates to the game and drivers will also help out soon. Will retest once we get past Launch
@@GameTechPlanet it's sad for us full time steam deck gamers that some recent games just don't support it. I have a desktop but it's so easy to pick up the deck. Some stuff like this and dragons dogma will barely run, but then you have horizon forbidden West, baldurs gate 3, etc that run great some even if it's not officially supported.
@@anthonyshelley6083yeah, I mean hopefully the next iteration will have a beefier processor. But I do believe a lot of these devs aren’t optimizing their games that well for the deck. Not blaming the devs, they aren’t given enough time or realistically they probably don’t care.
The difference between 1280x800 and 1280x720 is barely even there. Plus most people will only play in handheld mode so you'll stick to 1280x800. No point in testing as he already showed that performance between the Ally and Go are pretty much identical with all the stutters and average frame rates
The controls maybe. Not so sure about performance lol. Even the z1e at 800p is barely playable at 25w. I rly cant imagine this becoming anywhere near playable on deck. If it does tho. There will he a video lol
@@kraftypk7283 Not really. Games that were unplayable were typically ones that didn't work on SteamOS. If the performance is already this bad on the Ally X, the Deck would do even worse
Unless it’s asking for more RAM & it might be/c it’s a Ubisoft game & there’s no doubt that Avatar is asking for more RAM & not running well of you can’t provide it, no matter the chip, then lossless scaling should make this game run, I would imagine. Even on windows steam deck out will probably run. If it’s demanding more RAW it do happens that I own a device that has more, but it’s not the ROC Alley X. The X does have more RAM & would probably work. If it’s capable however of running w/ 16 gigs of RAM, lossless scaling will I suspect allow this to run on almost any windows device & generate 30 fps.
Did you try it with Auto Vram? It could be one of those games that runs better on auto like Hogwarts Legacy or red dead redemption 2. Thanks for the video 👍
@@901ThaTruth yea mentioned it some in the video. With the way this game runs and how lomg the vid was i skipped showing. But I have used it and may shownin a future update video for the game. It runs smack in the middle of 720 and 1080 mostly and framegen still works well. Still not as good as 720 in many areas as we are squeezing everything out e can out of this. But yea its a much mpre doable option than 1080 which id stay away from for now.
@@901ThaTruth im a handheld junkie lol. Love them all and have pretty much had all handhelds since Gameboy 1992 🤣. No camps or “ all for one device “ here. I have love for all of the tech. Its amazing what we can do these days. We tend to forget. Its a blast for me to test a game on so many handhelds and show performance. Even in my comparison videos its for fun I never “ go to battle “ lol.
@@GameTechPlanet Yes, was thinking 900p on the X is optimal like in several other new AAA games. Really appreciate this early look. Helps a bunch with pre-order / buying decision.
Not interested on buying a game from ubisoft that you won't own. The minute they deside to stop supporting the game it will disappear from your library
Well the reality is all digital games we dont own. We pay for the license to play them for as long as available by the company. Thats about it and thats for everyone. The days of forever physical ownership are over. All things digital in games, movies and music we are simply paying for access man. Ubisoft i dont buy any games. I sub to Ubisoft plus when i wanna play or test some games there then i cancel till the next.
You never own digital games dude. You want to own a game? Then buy the physical copy. That's the only option. But that bs you just mentioned isn't going to stop me from playing their games.
@@Jefftaylor2114You dont evan own physical copies anymore. They can just shut down support and make that disk you "own" into a coaster for your favorite beverage.
@Steezymx5 you're right about that. Especially if it's an online game. Long gone are the days with super Nintendo cartridges, finished games no patches, and dedication to pleasing the fan base.
@@Jefftaylor2114 it's my opinion and you might be right on the license but ubisoft has been the only company that I know to pull a stunt like tha and specially I won't waste my money on an expensive game like the crazy prices they ask for their games. And is why I buy physical copies when I really like a game on games that don't require mandatory online
You tried to turn off Raytracing I hope? none of these devices should be running at RTX levels at all.. ur low preset has all Raytracing on in the settings😅
@@johnestrada6490 everyone will certainly have their opinions and Ubisoft has definitely made mistakes 🤣. But i will say as a Huge Star Wars fan im about 16 hours into the game and story and I am truly enjoying it. They rly nailed the atmosphere for that time period in Star Wars. Some of the stealth gameplay sucks as does some of the basic combat but it gets the job done. The game more shines when it comes to the worlds and the star wars feel. Not gonna be for everyone but I am enjoying my time. Probably a 7-7.5 out of 10 type score for me.
Bazzite isn't even worse than using windows. That sounds like you've never used the OS. I dual boot between the two and Bazzite tends to be far more seemless. I only use windows for Windows only games. Other than that, most games work fine whether they're from Steam or not
Nope 😂. Nice one but this game looks gorgeous especially on my main desktop pc here maxed out at 1440p. Its pretty crazy. On the handhelds i think we are just blessed it runs at all. Handhelds are of course the lowest end pc hardware. So its “ entry point “.
![BEST Gaming Handheld in 2024!? [Steam Deck OLED | Ally X | Legion Go | Claw]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/czoKrKcgHaY/mqdefault.jpg)
Was gonna grab a used Z1 extreme, watching this video, I'll just wait a couple weeks and grab the ally x. Thank you sir
Doesn't the Ally X have a z1 Extreme?
@@MikeTheSith200 yes sir but the ally x has bigger ram, double battery life, ssd 2230. Little changes
@@aaronfoster8408 battery life and more ram is good but I don’t trust asus after the micro sd failure on my Ally
@@MikeTheSith200 lol yup
Umm.....great idea
I think too many people expect games on these to run JUST like their main PC gaming rigs like..umm nooooo.
Yea absolutely not lol. These are the low low end of pc hardware. But we have come a long way and its only going to get better.
Hopefully Steam Deck 2 will be a lot more powerful than the current handhelds.
İ hope at least series s power
@@doomguy979 That's literally impossible on battery at that form factor. The series s draws well over 250 watts. The steam deck draws 22 watts max. It's just not gonna happen with moore's law basically dead.
@@tapsofosiris3110 youre right but forgot something technology is improve everyday steam deck more powerful than xbox one and one day i believe we will see more powerful than ps5 handhelds
@tapsofosiris3110 You aren't even close to being correct. The Series S consumes somewhere around 75w of power under full load. The Series X and PS5 don't even draw 250w from the wall. The Series X consumes 160w max and the PS5 is somewhere around 200w maximum. You aren't even close to that figure. If the Series S consumed 250w that would make it extremely power inefficient and I'd wonder how they keep it so slim in that small box. In fact that would make it more inefficient than the Xbox One X from 2017
Thanks, it helps me. For those expériencing crash, disable "render mode" (fixed, etc...), it reduce stuttering and crash, better smooth. I think it's because we are at lowest résolution (800p), so it try to render it with a lower res, and its not necessary and conflictual.
They didn't even try to optimize it, the graphics don't justify the perfomance and requirement
They didn't optimize it for handhelds no. When I play it on my rtx 4080, it's amazing and well optimized lmao but that's expected for a pc like mine but when I run it on my legion go it's blah😢
@@Thehandheldguy402 it shouldn't require 4080 to run good
Bro of course it runs well on the 3rd most powerful graphics card ever lol @@Thehandheldguy402
The Snowdrop engine used in Avatar as well is very taxing even on high end pc rigs, impressive that it even runs playable on the Ally X.
@@Thehandheldguy402 the graphics suck it should not require a rtx 4080 that mad dont you think?
Sucks that people always have to ask for lossless scaling on here. Now I have to download the game and do it myself 😑😑😑
Lol lossless is great but doesn’t help this game. Actually in some cases makes it worse due to the resources used. The ingame framegen is very good here. Better than what im getting with lossless. Its a limit in what the hardware can do combined with how the game is made. The handhelds are literally lowest end pc hardware. They aren’t always going to be able to properly play difficult to run / demanding games. We are fortunate we have what we we have 😂
They're pushing some updates for the PC side, which should fix these issue.
One of the main reasons why I stuck to my Android handhelds is that we have moonlight, and I don't need to worry about my battery life or tweaking settings, I just use my desktop pc to stream to my Odin, it's like I'm playing it right there, no noticeable latency for for me.
Great vid, but there's too many compromises with these handhelds, when I got an RP4 and an Odin, extremely portable and pocketable, I see little justification to use x86 handhelds. Unless we could upgrade em how we do with desktops. I can't justify paying $700cad+ for these.
Gotta love AMD for bringing EVERYONE, Frame Generation.
steam deck will do that too
Jesus Christ. I can only wonder how bad the z1 ally would run Star Wars outlaws I have a z1 ally and seeing the better ones struggle is saving my 70 bucks thanks man. And the fact it doesn’t work on the steam deck is what kicked it for me. I have a had problems with Ubisoft Connect before on deck and it don’t surprise me at all that it also had problems with
How do you even even get it to make it work on Steam Deck? mine keeps crashing after pressing new game!
I never did get it to work on steamos. Not rly anyway. Might have loaded in a time or two. Windows i had the most luck. I will re check after actually launch of the game and updates. Make sure your 4gb vram in bios also. 1gb will crash more
How do you think the legion go would handle it changing the vram to 7gb or 8gb, or even having it on auto?
Allocation more vram is worse performance. 800p uses 6Gb or less vram to run the game. Its system ram we are short and thats the issue. Sometimes auto vram works but thats a rare case. Not a fan of auto it usually the worse option and a lot of games dont like it. It also performed much worse.
@GameTechPlanet thanks for that, only recently come back to pc gaming after my ps5 died a few months back. Trying to decide whether to play SWO on low settings or wait til the ps5 pro comes out and play it then 🤔
Is there a cool alternative virtual keyboard windows like you were using on the steamdeck?
does fsr performance /ultra performance change anything in terms of performance, also you need to cap it at 30fps
Capping 30 will be tough when you cant reach that without frame gen. But can try. As far as fsr i showed that and talked about it. Picture quality was f course keeps getting hit as u go from balanced to performance to ultra performance. With thos you can gain 1-2 fos more thats about it. We hitting out limits here hardware wise.
if they made this not to be played for handhelds well state it. Don't put it out like this it feels like they didn't even hesitate to try it out on a handheld, yet optimise it. Basically a tech demo alpha stage ''something'' performance wise
Glad I got a legion
Definitely looks great on the Go screen. Pretty playable with some work. Hopefully some updates to the game and drivers will also help out soon. Will retest once we get past Launch
That's a bummer for steam deck 😔
Yea disappointing on this one and even if controller starts working the performance isnt going to be playable
@@GameTechPlanet it's sad for us full time steam deck gamers that some recent games just don't support it. I have a desktop but it's so easy to pick up the deck. Some stuff like this and dragons dogma will barely run, but then you have horizon forbidden West, baldurs gate 3, etc that run great some even if it's not officially supported.
@@anthonyshelley6083yeah, I mean hopefully the next iteration will have a beefier processor. But I do believe a lot of these devs aren’t optimizing their games that well for the deck. Not blaming the devs, they aren’t given enough time or realistically they probably don’t care.
don't worry Starfield was just like this
@@itzdcx I never had problems with starfield on the deck
And are you on the 24.40 on Lego I don't have those issues with this game at all maybe this is a user error
You didn't do 720p on Lego why are you not doing a fair comparison?
The difference between 1280x800 and 1280x720 is barely even there. Plus most people will only play in handheld mode so you'll stick to 1280x800. No point in testing as he already showed that performance between the Ally and Go are pretty much identical with all the stutters and average frame rates
What start ateam os
Pretty sure the steamdeck issues will be sorted in a couple of days
The controls maybe. Not so sure about performance lol. Even the z1e at 800p is barely playable at 25w. I rly cant imagine this becoming anywhere near playable on deck. If it does tho. There will he a video lol
@@GameTechPlanet there are many games that have gone from being totally unplayable/unbootable to fully working. We'll see though
@@kraftypk7283nah, this is a repeat of jedi survivor
@@kraftypk7283 Not really. Games that were unplayable were typically ones that didn't work on SteamOS. If the performance is already this bad on the Ally X, the Deck would do even worse
Can u test amfm 2 for steam deck lcd
Unless it’s asking for more RAM & it might be/c it’s a Ubisoft game & there’s no doubt that Avatar is asking for more RAM & not running well of you can’t provide it, no matter the chip, then lossless scaling should make this game run, I would imagine. Even on windows steam deck out will probably run. If it’s demanding more RAW it do happens that I own a device that has more, but it’s not the ROC Alley X. The X does have more RAM & would probably work. If it’s capable however of running w/ 16 gigs of RAM, lossless scaling will I suspect allow this to run on almost any windows device & generate 30 fps.
onky the rog ally x is playable abeit only at 720p. It isn't bad though
Did you try it with Auto Vram? It could be one of those games that runs better on auto like Hogwarts Legacy or red dead redemption 2. Thanks for the video 👍
Windows handhelds aren't really meant to play newer games without a egpu.
How do you get controller support working?
1 or 2 performance updates like every game today and it works fine...
What about 900p sweet spot on the ally x 🤔?
@@901ThaTruth yea mentioned it some in the video. With the way this game runs and how lomg the vid was i skipped showing. But I have used it and may shownin a future update video for the game. It runs smack in the middle of 720 and 1080 mostly and framegen still works well. Still not as good as 720 in many areas as we are squeezing everything out e can out of this. But yea its a much mpre doable option than 1080 which id stay away from for now.
Bet the Rog Ally x gang with another win 🏆! Let's go! And for the haters, I also have the original steamdeck. But it just doesn't ✂️ it!
@@901ThaTruth im a handheld junkie lol. Love them all and have pretty much had all handhelds since Gameboy 1992 🤣. No camps or “ all for one device “ here. I have love for all of the tech. Its amazing what we can do these days. We tend to forget. Its a blast for me to test a game on so many handhelds and show performance. Even in my comparison videos its for fun I never “ go to battle “ lol.
@@GameTechPlanet Yes, was thinking 900p on the X is optimal like in several other new AAA games. Really appreciate this early look. Helps a bunch with pre-order / buying decision.
Darn it, I guess PC only it is.
i like the go but your right thumb goes into the screen when using it
I don’t have that issue,
My issue is hitting the Y and B buttons..
its forbidden to say something nice about rog ally x even it performing best than any other hand held device
Its the internet. I feel like its forbidden to say anything nice about anything. So I do it all the time 🤷♂️😂
Performance is atrocious considering how game looks. It's getting worse and worse. Glad I'm not interested in paying ubisoft
How many tdp sir?
Hey there. Its in the onscreen overlay and I did mention it. 25 watts for the Go and Ally's. On battery handheld mode
*Zotac zone* is the new market king
Probably not but we will see
Not interested on buying a game from ubisoft that you won't own. The minute they deside to stop supporting the game it will disappear from your library
Well the reality is all digital games we dont own. We pay for the license to play them for as long as available by the company. Thats about it and thats for everyone. The days of forever physical ownership are over. All things digital in games, movies and music we are simply paying for access man. Ubisoft i dont buy any games. I sub to Ubisoft plus when i wanna play or test some games there then i cancel till the next.
You never own digital games dude. You want to own a game? Then buy the physical copy. That's the only option. But that bs you just mentioned isn't going to stop me from playing their games.
@@Jefftaylor2114You dont evan own physical copies anymore. They can just shut down support and make that disk you "own" into a coaster for your favorite beverage.
@Steezymx5 you're right about that. Especially if it's an online game. Long gone are the days with super Nintendo cartridges, finished games no patches, and dedication to pleasing the fan base.
@@Jefftaylor2114 it's my opinion and you might be right on the license but ubisoft has been the only company that I know to pull a stunt like tha and specially I won't waste my money on an expensive game like the crazy prices they ask for their games. And is why I buy physical copies when I really like a game on games that don't require mandatory online
Quadruple A game btw 😂
Sorry what did Ubisoft do to you. Must be bad to make such cringe jokes. They fuck your girl ? What is it
@@7ctony stop being a company shill, the game runs like a ps2 in 2024 for a well known company.
@@theunknown7441sarcasm my guy
You tried to turn off Raytracing I hope? none of these devices should be running at RTX levels at all.. ur low preset has all Raytracing on in the settings😅
Much like avatar Frontiers of Pandora, this game has always on Ray tracing. You cannot turn it off
Don’t care looks like another Ubisoft shovel ware to me.
@@johnestrada6490 everyone will certainly have their opinions and Ubisoft has definitely made mistakes 🤣. But i will say as a Huge Star Wars fan im about 16 hours into the game and story and I am truly enjoying it. They rly nailed the atmosphere for that time period in Star Wars. Some of the stealth gameplay sucks as does some of the basic combat but it gets the job done. The game more shines when it comes to the worlds and the star wars feel. Not gonna be for everyone but I am enjoying my time. Probably a 7-7.5 out of 10 type score for me.
Yet here you are, saying somethings shit without playing it 😂 how old are you?
Like damn, black myth wukong runs better than a shit stain that is outlaws on a steam deck
Totally unplayable on my Ally Z1e
not playable tbh
Looks pretty playable
GeForce now my steam deck brothers.
Absolutely. If i have time will do a video.
Here goes SteamDeck 😂 Now imagine that some clever heads cripple their Legion Go with Bazzite OS to get SteamDeck experience 😂😂
Bazzite isn't even worse than using windows. That sounds like you've never used the OS. I dual boot between the two and Bazzite tends to be far more seemless. I only use windows for Windows only games. Other than that, most games work fine whether they're from Steam or not
I know steam deck broke. Boys are really mad right now lol
Yeah chief, ain't nobody mad about not being able to play ubislop outlaws. And damn, no need to broke shame here.
This game is gonna flop anyways
is that the new ps2 game
Nope 😂. Nice one but this game looks gorgeous especially on my main desktop pc here maxed out at 1440p. Its pretty crazy. On the handhelds i think we are just blessed it runs at all. Handhelds are of course the lowest end pc hardware. So its “ entry point “.
I have the legion go but i don't mind playing because this Game it's woke GARBAGE anyway
This game is gay