Horseback Slinging Cavalry?
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- Опубликовано: 3 дек 2023
- Mounted Horseback Slingers are so rare in history but why?
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Few mentions in history:
128 AD Hadrian said in Lambaesis to the horsemen of Cohors VI Commagenorum:
"It is difficult for the cavalry of the cohorts to make a good impression even by themselves, and still harder for them not to give dissatisfaction after the exercise of the auxiliary cavalry. They have larger ground coverage, a larger number of men throwing javelins; their right wheeling is in close array, their Cantabrian manoeuvre closely knit; the beauty of their horses and the elegance of their equipment is in keeping with their level of pay. Nevertheless, and despite the heat, you avoided being tedious by doing promptly what had to be done. In addition you hurled stones from slings and fought with missiles. Your mounting was everywhere brisk."
“Hunting weapons from the Middle Ages to the twentieth century” by Howard L. Blackmore, regarding mounted slingers, page 332, miscellaneous weapons, slings: “So confident were the Arab Bedouins of their skills that they have been known to attack lions at long range with their slings from horseback, adroitly keeping out of the way of the enraged animal until a lucky hit on the head killed the beast”
"When Caesar's passage over a large river in Britain was disputed by the British king Cassivellaunus, at the head of a strong body of cavalry and a great number of chariots, he ordered an elephant, an animal till then unknown to the Britons, to enter the river first, mailed in scales of iron, with a tower on its back, on which archers and slingers were stationed. If the Britons were terrified at so extraordinary a spectacle, what shall I say of their horses? Amongst the Greeks, the horses fly at the sight of an unarmed elephant; but armoured, and with a tower on its back, from which missiles and stones are continually hurled, it is a sight too formidable to be borne. The Britons accordingly with their cavalry and chariots abandoned themselves to flight, leaving the Romans to pass the river unmolested, after the enemy had been routed by the appearance of a single beast."
-Stratagems by Polyaenus
Tibet still practice horseback slinging as a hobby and herding Yak
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Slings are really fun but I never thought it was even an option to use a sling on horseback
This is the chillest horse she is unfazed by your shenanigans
Agreed
Slings by themselves are hard, slinging on the horse is even harder
Love the horse, she’s so calm
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Here’s a passage from the book “Hunting weapons from the Middle Ages to the twentieth century” by Howard L. Blackmore, regarding mounted slingers, page 332, miscellaneous weapons, slings: “So confident were the Arab Bedouins of their skills that they have been known to attack lions at long range with their slings from horseback, adroitly keeping out of the way of the enraged animal until a lucky hit on the head killed the beast”
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why arab dont use bow lol
Maybe they wanted to minimize the damage to the pelt.
For fun
@@bugger6881 Presumably it is hard to find good timber to make a bow in the desert and Bedouins were poor and couldn't buy imported bows.
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Well, I never know that, but I never seen people shoot behind with their sling on their horse, or running away from behind so that’s kind of challenge shoot behind and writing on a horse very good
Few Roman sources of mounted sling showing how rare it is : 128 AD Hadrian said in Lambaesis to the horsemen of Cohors VI Commagenorum:
"It is difficult for the cavalry of the cohorts to make a good impression even by themselves, and still harder for them not to give dissatisfaction after the exercise of the auxiliary cavalry. They have larger ground coverage, a larger number of men throwing javelins; their right wheeling is in close array, their Cantabrian manoeuvre closely knit; the beauty of their horses and the elegance of their equipment is in keeping with their level of pay. Nevertheless, and despite the heat, you avoided being tedious by doing promptly what had to be done. In addition you hurled stones from slings and fought with missiles. Your mounting was everywhere brisk."
"When Caesar's passage over a large river in Britain was disputed by the British king Cassivellaunus, at the head of a strong body of cavalry and a great number of chariots, he ordered an elephant, an animal till then unknown to the Britons, to enter the river first, mailed in scales of iron, with a tower on its back, on which archers and slingers were stationed. If the Britons were terrified at so extraordinary a spectacle, what shall I say of their horses? Amongst the Greeks, the horses fly at the sight of an unarmed elephant; but armoured, and with a tower on its back, from which missiles and stones are continually hurled, it is a sight too formidable to be borne. The Britons accordingly with their cavalry and chariots abandoned themselves to flight, leaving the Romans to pass the river unmolested, after the enemy had been routed by the appearance of a single beast."
-Stratagems by Polyaenus
Did Hadrian had to pay extra for the DLC?
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so no. Unfortunately the corporation decided to increase dlc price for everyone else
I am glad you did this so I didn't have to. Well done! Thanks
I enjoy watching this
I always knew you were hardcore. Damn, if you were winding up a stone the horse would freak out.
My thoughts on the sling as a weapon of war, is that it was rarely about attempting to have high accuracy, (that was probably more of a thing when used for hunting). As a weapon of war, just like with the longbow and musket, it was about barrage and volleys targeting groups of enemies, not single enemies at a time!
I agree
Hypothetically if your facing an enemy of hoplites without slings or bows, theoretically horseback slingers can skimish for days, weeks, and months at hoplites to defeat their morale, assuming you have enough rocks. However, I believe the natural response is to sling back at the horses if the hoplites can make some "field" slings or to simply attack their supply lines
But they can just sling rocks back
That is quite the scenario...a hoplite general who has nothing but melee infantry but expects to face a mounted enemy would be pretty daft for engaging them in a battlefield that is amenable to just being shot on open battlefield.
Also, slings have no effect whatsoever on hoplite shields. They could in fact just hunker behind it and take shots
@@xiaotian5863 bit hard to hit em though keep in mind
@@MarcRitzMDslings break shields and slinging at them for months will eventually drain their morale and lucky shots will kill . Btw not quite a senario cuz cavalry choose battles
@@TheSapier your goal is to harrass them in a period of months and you can sling at very close distance because they will run out of javelins to throw at you
From Lex Ribuaria (~800AD, Germany), we got the price of a horse at 7 solidi, while a sword cost 3 solidi, a lance+shield 2 solidi, a helmet 6 solidi, and a mail shirt 12 solidi.
That is sighted and healthy horse, whatever that means. A mare would cost 3 solidi for some reason, and most horses used in warfare were female (or gelded males) but I can't say whether it's reasonable to consider those figures for war horses, most horses weren't after all. The text was a legal book describing compensatory payments for anyone who was found in some dispute over these objects.
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That answers everything u need to know. A sling cost almost nothing so it’s like a millionaire going to war with a homemade slingshot on a helicopter
Yeahhh!
Can you do a Partian shot at full gallop?
no
@HistoricalArchery that would be awesome.
You have way more riding skill than I have.
@@HistoricalWeapons have you ever done any research on the use of the sling in medieval Portugal?
Xenophon's Anabasis, literally 'The March up Country,' but usually translated as 'The Persian Expedition,' is about a group of 10K mercenaries who join a revolt against the Persian King by the King's younger brother, Cyrus. Cyrus is killed in the battle of Cunaxa, and the Mercenaries begin a retreat up the Tigris into the safety of Armenia. Their retreat is covered by light troops. They prove so useful that Hoplites from the island of Rhodes are guaranteed their full Hoplite pay if they act as light troops (slingers), to assist in covering the retreat.
Thanks for confirming the source
did Lusatanian and Iberian cavalry use slings? Numidian or Beduin?
as suggested in Roman source cavalry did use slings in Iberia. Beduin has sources of slinging. no source for numidian yet
@@dsasd778thanks for the info
@@dsasd778 Was it effective though? As far as I know, slingers takes more spacing than archers because they have to swing their slingers first and the fact that they could hit each other.
Yes
That's a well trained horse!
Agreed
tibetan slinger used on horseback?
yes for herding and perhaps occasionally for war
What a lovely big mellow horse
If I’m a peasant back then, I'd prefer using my own hand to throw. I tried slinging, and aiming is challenging.😅
The Morochucos in the Peruvian Andes used, and still uses, slings on horseback. Is very common for them to hold competitions where they try to hit a target with the sling at full gallop
Thank you for this
You would be such a cute duo if your horsey also wore the same kind of hat ❤
That’s animal abuse
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I’ve been watching your content for the past month or two, I really like it!!
This is a really interesting mashup. My big takeaway is that the horse could easily get whipped, whereas a bow would have to be intentionally aimed at her.
It is true but whips and ropes are commonly used on horseback already in the form of lasso so I don’t think that’s a major concern except modern equestrian and animal right groups today
@@HistoricalWeapons that's a good point.
What's the reason behind keeping some of your bows strung and some not?
Supposed to keep draw weight same especially wood
If the enemy cavalry is chasing, you can just throw your rock and let them ride into it. =p
While slinging from horseback may not have been common for medieval cavalry, slinging from _pony_ back is well established to have been fairly standard as early as the 3rd age.
One situation in which it might have been common in medieval times (and may still be in parts of central Asia) is for shepherds.
Hunting with slings can also be favourable if the hunter cares a lot about the pelt or if the prey is very agile and can more easily detect and evade an arrow.
Can I see sources of slinging from pony back
Yes, I'd recommend booting up Master of Magic, or perhaps Age of Wonders (I), for accessibility.
If you want a primary source, however, I believe the seminal waste of paper on the topic was written by the leading scholar on that period of warfare, Tolkien, J., may he rest in Valinor. :)@@HistoricalWeapons
@@Meevious ooooo fantasy stuff I gotta study that
Chill horse
Agree
Love the videos, could you review the Samick SKB 50 horsebow? There's not much about it anywhere, and it seems like a pretty interesting design.
I've learned to sling backhand. That technique would work well for the parthian shot. Although all the other issues still remain lol
Agreed, do u have velocity loss slinging backwards
@@HistoricalWeapons no loss at all. In fact its probably my most powerful throw. Accuracy isnt great, In speed its around equal to a forehand throw, but for throwing heavy ammo its amazing. I get double to triple the range of a forehand throw with large stones.Ya just use the same muscles as ya do for drawing a bow as u rotate and release.
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02:55 No, the weight advantage of the sling gets nullified by the heavier ammo you need to carry. Slinging ammo weighs at least twice as much as an arrow.
Ammo you pickup on the ground, unlike arrows. You don’t have to carry in campaign
You can simply carry the rocks with a ammo carrier on horseback
And transport more rocks with a supply system of horses
@@HistoricalWeapons also not true, you don't find suitable slinging ammo everywhere. For reliable accuracy, even today tournament slingers use somewhat uniform ammo, either selfmade from lead, clay, or picked up previously. Either way, you have to carry it with you. Or do you think it went like "Oh, so the battle is about to begin, lets look for rocks on the ground and collect them"? I live in a "foresty" area to example and there just isnt any rocks laying around and even if, its either too small or too big and imagine you need ammo for a whole company of slingers... The myth that slingers ammo lays on the ground is that, a myth, only true for shepherds who need some rocks to kill time or deter wild animals but totally unrealistic in military context.
@@Scout887 you can make it and have "ammo men" carry it. and sling ammo weight is same as arrow weight except less volume
Haha always those emoji
Romans very rarely used it
So
Romans are not centre of everything
The Romans recruited slingers. During the Republic, Balearic slingers were sought after due to their skill. Later Romans recruited slingers from Rhodes, and from the Middle East. Trajan's column has many images of slingers being used.
@@JayMH409I think he is talking about Roman citizens themselves s
Why was it rarely used? And can you give me an example of which campaign/battle did the romans had used mounted slinger/cavalry?
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That horse cute af!?!?? Wt his name??
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Try it with gallop
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Ur gonna get haters for sure saying that
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because you need your whole body to throw a sling properly and consistantly
much more than that, in fact i can still get about 80 percent
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