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Shrimp. Could you put the vacuum hose connector centered on the bottom of the dust collection box rather than the side so it captures all of the dust? Maybe angle the bottom of the dust box down or even have a rounded funnel like bottom with the vacuum connector in the center of the funnel bottom?
Shrimp. Consider placing a hole with a shutter in the door in line with the speed control. This does 3 things. 1 the additional airflow will keep the speed control area clean from accumulating chips & dust. 2 you can tune the amount of airflow passing thru the cutter bit opening to be as strong as you wish. 3 by increasing airflow the dust collection motor will not have to work harder than necessary (producing a high negative pressure) causing unnecessary wear & power consumption. And if I am wrong - just close the shutter. Best wishes for success. Rod.
Shrimple fix for increasing air flow and keeping dust out the corners. Drill small holes in the corners so you can get air flowing across the the bottom of the box. You have more than enough air volume that it won’t make a difference up top. Just needs some intake holes to get it flowing toward the dc port
Adding to a good idea - Best way to identify where to drill the holes is to note where you have some build up. By drilling the holes at that point you ensure that there is air travelling from that point to the air outlet. This method is particularly effective if your dust extraction system is based on high air volume rather than high air pressure. Based on the size of your outlet I’d say it’s a high air volume flow system ( the best in my view)
I think a bigger concern, rather than collecting every bit of the sawdust, you have to take into account cooling your router. It needs air flow around and through the motor. This is particularily important if you're doing a lot of routing. Your vacuum already directs the air flow. so if you cut a 1/2' to 3/4" slot the length of the side opposite your dust port, the evacuation would not suffer. It's not going to depend on the amount of negative air pressure (vacuum) you develop, but rather on the speed and volume of air flow through the box.
Agreed with this. could solve the router cooling, and residual dust collection at the bottom of the box easily, by putting intake vents at the bottom of the door, nearly flush with the bottom of the box. Air will move across the router to help keep it cool, and also sweep across the bottom of the box, helping to keep it clean and minimize dust build up. But ideally the dust port should be flush with the bottom of the box as well so that dust can flow unobstructed into the port.
I was thinking of the same thing, and also we need to consider chances of dust accumulating inside the router because the box sits so close to the router itself. I think that 1) the box can be deeper so dust won't be riding so close to the router when riding along the bottom of the box and 2) have some diverting skirt to encourage dust to flow outside of the router when they fall through the hole. Having intake holes at he right place will also encourage fresh air to flow through the router minimizing dust build up.
I was about to point this flaw out, but it’s good that others noted it. I don’t know whether the sawdust affects the internals of the router, or how much, but it is an inevitable eventuality that they will be affected, especially the commutator bars and brushes, not to mention the bearings if they are the open type. So perhaps an open port for the router cooling intake at the botttom, coupled with a rubber boot that fits snugly around the router and makes a solid seal for the bottom of the dust collection enclosure would be best, though the router intake may affect the suction power somewhat.
@@cindyhammack68 Is the motor on the computer fan totally enclosed? I wonder if there is any concern with fire on a fan motor that is not meant to be in outrageously dusty environment like a dust collection box beneath a router
SHRIMP, I just found your channel and love what you are doing. I have been a residential remodeling contractor for over 30 years and am now starting to become a more dedicated woodworker. I have throughly enjoyed the few videos I have seen so far. You have great instincts and look forward to watching more. I also took the time to read comments and found many to be insightful when I construct my router dust collection box. Thank you for your efforts and all the time others spent adding ideas to the project.
Shrimp, this is an excellent companion video to the router table/table saw extension video (which I just watched). I know what I'll be working on during my winter break. Thanks for the great content.
Shrimp are by far the best at collecting fine particles so you should call this the shrimp box, also you should put the door on top if the fixed panel so any reminisce dust stays inside the box , and a stronger vacuum might help rather than a second hose, because all the air is concentrated into one place, but overall a very cool build
Hey Shrimp...I would think a bottom mounted dust hose would capture almost 100% of the dust but in your case it doesn't work because of the cabinet you have there. Either way, it seems a much better solution that letting the sawdust (router dust?) hit the floor.
To have your router enclosed in that msnner will definitely restrict the necessary air flow to age motor of your router, as saw dust itself can clog the ports if the motor. A better position would be to have the bottom of the box to surround the upper guide of the plunge router frame. Use some flexible foam between the router frame and box bottom will protect the router frame from the bottom of the new pan. With a smaller volume the lower motor vents( now upwards), should easily be kept from clogging. If the suction noise is a problem, install an adjustable gate on hose port of the dust collection system you can decrease the amount of suction to tune the air flow to an acceptable noise level. Since you seem to be using the dust collection for your table saw, you should consider using a Y connection with hoses for each tool to save time changing between them. This alone may help with the noise level as it can still be pulling air from the table saw.
There is an immense amount of fresh air being pulled past that router that I doubt there are any concerns with heat degredation by being left inside of a tiny box.
@@rickkern5785 even in this video, the enclosure limits the height of possible drawers underneath. My suggestion could also be accomplished with “ cant” boards inside the enclosure directed ti a side opening at the bottom. The basic premise it rpto draw dust from the motor air inlets, which if clogged causes the motor to overheat and fail.
Shrimp... preferably Pad Thai Shrimp. Awesome video. My only recommendation would be to place the dust hole at bottom of box or from the inside have placed it at 45 degrees between back panel and bottom panel. You would end up with a significant amount of air movement and therefore dust going downwards instead of sideways. Gravity helps, but it's also the way air / dust moves when getting into the box and the turbulence caused by the air already inside the box.
Shrimp are icky but I love this and the table upgrade videos! I am grateful that you included the challenges in the corners of the box so now I have ideas on how I want to build mine. Great job!
@@SpencleyDesignCoshrimp. So, if you want to have the box cleaner without dust collecting on the corners and under the motor, I suggest you drill some small holes in the bottom of the door near the floor of the box. Maybe even drill them on a downward 45 degree angle. It will pull air through those holes and essentially sweep the bottom of the box clean as it runs. It will increase the air speed from front to back along the bottom of the box and not just from the central hole to the back.
Shrimp!!! Ive been trying to decide how to do something like this for ages and not being a 'proficient' diy'er, the ideas I had were complex and not ideal. This is so simple, thanks for simplifying life for me!!
Looking at how close the bottom of the box is to the router, I do have concerns about adequate router cooling. Also, all that dust at the bottom will have a tendency to get inside of a motor, causing potential problems. TBH, I'd relocate the dust collection intake to the bottom of the box, rather then having it on the side. This way you will have the air flowing around the router, helping to cool it. And the the dust won't build up in the bottom as much
Shrimp It is not just the air flow for cooling but also the dust in the air will get into the router and reduce the life of the router. It is better to have an outside source of cooling air for the router.
Shrimp! I saw a great pro-tip on another channel. I cut a 4" hole in the bottom of the router box and installed hose from the router's intake to fresh air outside the box. Like you, I don't have data to back this up but it makes sense to have the router breathing in fresh air. Thanks for your videos.
Lobster. I have another idea for your dust problem that mightve been a little simpler. Those hinges should have a few mm of adjustment in both direction. So if you spaced the door off of the box a little bit it would allow air to be sucked in around the entire perimeter of the door. Might eliminate the whistle, and should help to grab any dust that gets stuck on the bottom and corners of the box. Kind of moot now that you fixed it but who knows someone might see this comment and find it useful
Shrimp: I did al this a few years ago. As many others have noted it is airflow that makes the difference. I actually use a 4" blast gate as my input at the top of one side if the box to adjust the airflow as needed, I have a clear perspex opposite side that has an open 4" dust port. I have the bevelled sides to direct the dust down to the open dust port. All this as well as fence dust collection on top seem to do the job very well. I also have an opening in the top inline with the router bit to grab the dust when routing trenches. 👍
Nice idea. I think I would have opted to make it a drawer so any left over dust can easily be cleaned by just pulling out the drawer and empty it over a dustbin.
Shrimp: should we have any concerns about the router motor itself getting clogged up through its vent ports now that the entire thing is encased in a box. I'm also thinking about fire hazard from the motor brushes igniting fine dust particles that are then sucked out into the extraction bin. Any thoughts? I do enjoy the homemade tool adaptions for the workshop videos. Good job. 👍
I really think if that were a major concern then companies like Rockler and Sawstop wouldn't make the metal boxes and router manufacturers would recommend not using their routers with router tables. Even without a dust box the router will pull in some of the fine dust. I usually use compressed air and blow out the motor after heavy use.
Shrimp Absolutely loved this, the music, camera *work, and voice over just makes the perfect video to throw on and relax to. You are now definitely on list of woodworking youtubers I throw on for a bit of free mental space. Love the work and look forward to the future vids! Much love ❤️ *edit
Nice video, I hope you didn't fill your router up with dust while checking the vac. I might have the router running during the test next time. The air running through the router helps keep it clear of dust. Hopefully
Shrimp...Great video, I have a craftsman benchtop router table and would like to build a box similar to this around the bottom for dust consolidation! Great idea!
I was impressed that you picked up how the SHRIMPy hole in the throat plate would restrict airflow, and would have done the exact same thing with chamfer plates myself under my "cheating table saw made from an old circular saw" that I used to have, but instead of a rear entry for the extractor hose, just made the floor of the box where i put the fitting, and made that removable for accessing the saw for adjustments / blade changes. Dust accumulation problems were pretty much eliminated.
Shrimp. I had the same issue after building my custom enclosure. My fix... since you probably need/want a hose to your fence to collect dust as well, pipe it to a 2.5" port 90 degrees from the back main 4" hose connection. It provides the extra airflow and it helps "spin" the air in the box to keep it more cleared... and you get the benefit of dust collection on the fence at the bit location.
In my shop I have a cyclone vac top on a 55 gal drum. I can turn it on and I have ball valves set up to open suction to different tools around the shop. It works well to cover my row of miter saws, band saw, table saw, and router table. I haven't figured out how I want to do a lathe vac system, but I figure a large channel will work.
"SHRIMP" Yep, not only did I watch the whole presentation, I saved it in my "projects" folder too! Yhis is a definite MUST DO for my shop. Thanks for sharing.... 👍
Shrimp. Like you I did something simliar on my tablesaw for my router table. I ended up adding a few holes near the bottom far edge from my dust collection intake. Massive improvement in the router box for dust in the corners.
Shrimp, thanks this is wat I needed to enhance the flow in my small Proxxon sawtable. My dust collection removes excess dust but it builds up in the corners, this could be it to lead it to the exhaust hole.
Shrimp - Just starting my fine woodworking adventure. I'm collecting great ideas and this one is now on the list. Of course, I'll have to get a dust collection system first. Thanks!
Shrimp are some of my favorite crustaceans, but they don't hold a candle to your channel, Spencley Design! As a person newly acquainted with all things woodworking, you've quickly become one of my favorite content creators. And kit all comes down to one word: Cauk! jk, it's really frugality :D
Love shrimp video. I have idea to add to it. Set the hose at the gotten of the dust collector box. That what I plan to do. When I decided to build mine. Thank you for the idea.
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Shrimp, I added a ~3" hose (shop Vac size) from the side of the box up to a fitting in the fence at the cutter (traditional place for collection). So there are 2 potential paths for the air - down the router hole into the box, and from the fence into the box. Much higher air flow, which also helped clear the box.
I made a boxed router fence and connected the dust collector hose to it. I really haven't had the need for adjustable wings on the fence. It collects a majority of the dust, but would consider a box underneath also. A sloped bottom on the box with the port near the bottom of the slope would be best, but probably unnecessary.
Shrimp. With all of the advice on how to say "caulk" I forgot what I wanted to say. I have been thinking about getting rid of my router table for years. Adding an extension to my table saw is a fantastic resolution to the problem. Thank you very much for the help. Wolf in Kingston.
Shrimp...cool idea and a couple of thoughts. First is how you're testing - it's not real world because youre not considering that the router bit will be running (above) the table plane and spewing dust everywhere. You should retest with that in mind. Second thought: punching holes in the throat plate for more air flow which'll have the benefit of more dust capturing and router cooling. Now, question: my router table is cast iron so i cant drill a box into it. What would you suggest, embedding high strength magnets along the top edge of the wooden box?
I built my router lift into an old wood teacher's desk. I also have a router fence system on it. I modified the desk file drawer as a dust collection box with an extesible 4" dust port for my shop dust collector. I also use router lift plate inserts that allow suction down draft around the router bit.
Shrimptastic video! I don't yet have a router, but hope that will be remedied soon. Next I need to watch your video on making your router table. I think that not only will it save me money but also space, which as you well understand is a pretty hot commodity in a garage workshop. Thanks for all your hard work on these videos!
After I built mine, I modified it. I put a separate hole in the box with a pipe coming from the back of the 'router cooling air intake' to feed it clean cold air.. this does make the vacuum less effective. But the dust extractor pulls enough th make up for the air been pulled in by the router. I also have a Y split to the fence extraction point, which can be turned off when not in use
I love these DIY Workshops Maschines, especially this " Table saw" type and this "router table" model!! To make some stuff at home, and to craft some stuff. In Germany, we use this kind of Maschines only at the building sites, but the Festtool version. For the smaller circular table saw, or the table for the Festo router with all kinds of rail systems. But, in our " real" carpentery business work shop, where I worked as employee, we had a totally different Maschinery!!!! Altendorf or Martin : Table Saw, Kölle or Martin : Stationary table router, and the other big Maschines you need to produce with profit. Edge Gluer, Horizontal CNC circular plate saw, CNC work center, cylindrical sanding Maschine, bla bla🙈🙈🙈🙈😁😁😁‼️
Hi Shrimp. To help of the bottom of the box and also give more air to your saw dust collection unit. I would’ve drilled about three or four three-quarter inch holes at the base where your door is so that it sweeps across the bottom and to the dust collection hose rather than gapping it. Anyway. That was just an idea. Cheers
Shrimp. I like your router dust collection box except for one concern. The router motor obviously draws air for cooling ventilation. The motor is a universal ac/dc motor, so it has a commutator with carbon brushes. Carbon brushes require clean cooling air to provide the best performance and longevity. I am also puzzled as the air which is vented from the motor clashes with the air being drawn down through the table via the insert ring. Appreciate your comments as I, like you, wish to improve my router table dust collection without damaging my router motor.
Shrimp-ossibly cool! I love dust reducing hacks like that. Since i was a kid, whenver my dad cuts or drills things, he made me vacuum right at the source so we had less cleaning afterwards.
Shrimp Scampi is good, just like every video of yours that I have watched, I take insperation from many of yourt videos and use what I have learned toward my own "shop". Thank you!
Shrimple idea for a messy problem, the gap on mine was put on the bottom of the box to promote the airflow across the bed of the box. This stopped that little pile of dust building up under the router.
Shrimp ! I'm allergic to shrimp, but niot to watching your videos. I downloaded the plan from Kreg evn though I don't have a router table like this. I learnerd alot just watching you make this "simple" box. I like the way yuou tell us about the process and not to sweat the small stuff. Thanks for what you do !
Shrimp This is the first video of yours I've seen as the algorithm suggested it, and it was super helpful. From the description I easily found the video about the new router table insert you put in and enjoyed that as well. However checking your video list I have no idea what your other videos are about because the titles are just clickbait....I recommend some sort of relevant subtitle so people can find your videos about topics they care about.
I know this is older but I find a fence with dust collection is more effective for me. A router in a table cuts and throws waste more horizontally across the table surface. I have an old shopvac connected on my fence and don't have much dust on the floor below my router. Anyone can try this by laying a vacuum hose on the table near the bit. Will work better if it is secured to a fence because the fence will help direct cuttings.
Shrimp Are you experiencing any issues with overheating of the router motor? Consider adding just a few small holes (6 x 1/8" or 6x 1/4") drilled into the bottom of the box right below the center of the motor. Or, maybe 1 x 1" hole with a screen over it? This will pull fresh air into the box and assist with flushing out the accumulated wood dust that we saw under the router. And that air flow will cool the router motor.
Holy shrimp, that is a pretty cool idea. I wonder if you could make a dremel work station using somthing similar? Possibly with a clear plexiglass outer casing for easy access to light and a top and bottom vent system?
shrimp - theres 2 things i want to suggest... 1) change the angle suction hole to make a cyclone inside the box... 2) put another hole which connect with the router grill to separate with the dust inside the box so your router will get the clean air from the outside of the box...
Shrimp. I would consider adding some inlet vents between the hinges on the door. This would create an airstream that would wash over the bottom of the router motor both clearing sawdust and helping cool the motor. Nice video!
you don’t need to make the box airtight if you use a dust collector. Dust collectors have high CFM but low pressure, so you want to ensure there is enough paths for air volume, otherwise static pressure will build up and the dust collecting will be inefficient
shrimp - My first concern is regarding the vacuum (or air flow), of the dust collection. Too much air restriction has a tendency to put too much strain on the main blower.. For instance, you have a 4" hose but under to extreme case with the throat plate on the aperture to allow tha air to flow to the 4" hose is around 1 1/2" ~ 2", there by choking the dust collection system. Possible suggestion would be to create an adjustable aperture on the door side of the box to relieve the choking effect and allow for ventilation cooling for the router.
Caridea... Do you have a manometer for your dust collection? I made one out of a push-in adapter for 3/8 tubing with a long U-shape, then filled 3/4 of the way with water and added dark food coloring. Once in a while I have to add water that's evaporated, but the color remains. Mark levels at resting stage, then completely block all suction and mark the level. Somewhere in between those will be "normal" operating levels, but if it starts creeping towards the blocked line, either your filter is clogging or it's time to empty your collection.
I did a router box 6 years ago. Before you could buy one and made it out of 1/4" Plywood gluing and nailing it then sealing the edges with calk, its under a router lift But I didnt put a door on it yet. Becuse I use a multi speed router ive got to pick it up out of the table to set the speed. Its permently turned on, but ive added a remote switch and an outlet inside the box as well a dust collection port. It works very good. With just a dust deputy and vacume.
Shrimp. Goodvideo. Leaving the black caulk out would increase air flow , which is required to move lots of air and dust. Your object should be to increase air through box, not limit it. Holes on door side bottom would likely evacuate your box well. Add a couple at time… may increase noise of router rotation. Good job. I will build one now. I love my Kreg joint jigs.
He needs a convergence/divergence section so the pressure drops and the velocity increases. He doesn't want bleed air across the system to rob him of atm pressure.
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Shrimp. Could you put the vacuum hose connector centered on the bottom of the dust collection box rather than the side so it captures all of the dust? Maybe angle the bottom of the dust box down or even have a rounded funnel like bottom with the vacuum connector in the center of the funnel bottom?
Shrimp. Consider placing a hole with a shutter in the door in line with the speed control. This does 3 things. 1 the additional airflow will keep the speed control area clean from accumulating chips & dust. 2 you can tune the amount of airflow passing thru the cutter bit opening to be as strong as you wish. 3 by increasing airflow the dust collection motor will not have to work harder than necessary (producing a high negative pressure) causing unnecessary wear & power consumption.
And if I am wrong - just close the shutter. Best wishes for success. Rod.
drill small holes at the bottom of the door, so dust will be just blown by incoming air
drill little vent holes where the dust piles up
Shrimple fix for increasing air flow and keeping dust out the corners. Drill small holes in the corners so you can get air flowing across the the bottom of the box. You have more than enough air volume that it won’t make a difference up top. Just needs some intake holes to get it flowing toward the dc port
Thanks for the tip!
Adding to a good idea - Best way to identify where to drill the holes is to note where you have some build up. By drilling the holes at that point you ensure that there is air travelling from that point to the air outlet. This method is particularly effective if your dust extraction system is based on high air volume rather than high air pressure. Based on the size of your outlet I’d say it’s a high air volume flow system ( the best in my view)
YES
I was gonna say the same, lol o shrimp
Was going to comment the same 👍
I think a bigger concern, rather than collecting every bit of the sawdust, you have to take into account cooling your router. It needs air flow around and through the motor. This is particularily important if you're doing a lot of routing. Your vacuum already directs the air flow. so if you cut a 1/2' to 3/4" slot the length of the side opposite your dust port, the evacuation would not suffer. It's not going to depend on the amount of negative air pressure (vacuum) you develop, but rather on the speed and volume of air flow through the box.
Agreed with this. could solve the router cooling, and residual dust collection at the bottom of the box easily, by putting intake vents at the bottom of the door, nearly flush with the bottom of the box. Air will move across the router to help keep it cool, and also sweep across the bottom of the box, helping to keep it clean and minimize dust build up. But ideally the dust port should be flush with the bottom of the box as well so that dust can flow unobstructed into the port.
I bought a really strong computer fan that is mounted directly under my router motor. It turns on with the router.
I was thinking of the same thing, and also we need to consider chances of dust accumulating inside the router because the box sits so close to the router itself. I think that 1) the box can be deeper so dust won't be riding so close to the router when riding along the bottom of the box and 2) have some diverting skirt to encourage dust to flow outside of the router when they fall through the hole. Having intake holes at he right place will also encourage fresh air to flow through the router minimizing dust build up.
I was about to point this flaw out, but it’s good that others noted it.
I don’t know whether the sawdust affects the internals of the router, or how much, but it is an inevitable eventuality that they will be affected, especially the commutator bars and brushes, not to mention the bearings if they are the open type. So perhaps an open port for the router cooling intake at the botttom, coupled with a rubber boot that fits snugly around the router and makes a solid seal for the bottom of the dust collection enclosure would be best, though the router intake may affect the suction power somewhat.
@@cindyhammack68 Is the motor on the computer fan totally enclosed? I wonder if there is any concern with fire on a fan motor that is not meant to be in outrageously dusty environment like a dust collection box beneath a router
Shrimp-ing and saving by designing your own custom upgrades is VERY helpful to teach the rest of us how to invent designs. Thank you!
SHRIMP, I just found your channel and love what you are doing. I have been a residential remodeling contractor for over 30 years and am now starting to become a more dedicated woodworker. I have throughly enjoyed the few videos I have seen so far. You have great instincts and look forward to watching more. I also took the time to read comments and found many to be insightful when I construct my router dust collection box. Thank you for your efforts and all the time others spent adding ideas to the project.
Shrimp, this is an excellent companion video to the router table/table saw extension video (which I just watched). I know what I'll be working on during my winter break. Thanks for the great content.
Shrimp... Great solution , well presented and articulated . I enjoyed it . Keep up the great work. Thank you.
Shrimp are by far the best at collecting fine particles so you should call this the shrimp box, also you should put the door on top if the fixed panel so any reminisce dust stays inside the box , and a stronger vacuum might help rather than a second hose, because all the air is concentrated into one place, but overall a very cool build
Put vents on the bottom of the door to make a carpet of air along the bottom
Hey Shrimp...I would think a bottom mounted dust hose would capture almost 100% of the dust but in your case it doesn't work because of the cabinet you have there. Either way, it seems a much better solution that letting the sawdust (router dust?) hit the floor.
Shrimp has become a staple for me lately -- Loved your approach and level of detail in your video. Thanks for giving me inspiration
To have your router enclosed in that msnner will definitely restrict the necessary air flow to age motor of your router, as saw dust itself can clog the ports if the motor. A better position would be to have the bottom of the box to surround the upper guide of the plunge router frame. Use some flexible foam between the router frame and box bottom will protect the router frame from the bottom of the new pan. With a smaller volume the lower motor vents( now upwards), should easily be kept from clogging. If the suction noise is a problem, install an adjustable gate on hose port of the dust collection system you can decrease the amount of suction to tune the air flow to an acceptable noise level. Since you seem to be using the dust collection for your table saw, you should consider using a Y connection with hoses for each tool to save time changing between them. This alone may help with the noise level as it can still be pulling air from the table saw.
He is a VERY uneducated amateur. With very limited woodworking skills
There is an immense amount of fresh air being pulled past that router that I doubt there are any concerns with heat degredation by being left inside of a tiny box.
I like your idea of the port for the vacuum on the bottom of the box where the dust naturally collects but that eliminates room for the drawers below.
@@rickkern5785 even in this video, the enclosure limits the height of possible drawers underneath. My suggestion could also be accomplished with “ cant” boards inside the enclosure directed ti a side opening at the bottom. The basic premise it rpto draw dust from the motor air inlets, which if clogged causes the motor to overheat and fail.
Shrimp -ly brilliant!! Great use of the tight space that you have under the router!!
Shrimp... preferably Pad Thai Shrimp.
Awesome video.
My only recommendation would be to place the dust hole at bottom of box or from the inside have placed it at 45 degrees between back panel and bottom panel. You would end up with a significant amount of air movement and therefore dust going downwards instead of sideways. Gravity helps, but it's also the way air / dust moves when getting into the box and the turbulence caused by the air already inside the box.
Shrimp - Great idea for the dust box! Loved how you were able to show us some cool tricks with the Kreg!!!
Shrimp are icky but I love this and the table upgrade videos! I am grateful that you included the challenges in the corners of the box so now I have ideas on how I want to build mine. Great job!
Much appreciated!
Shrimp the box is a great addition you are the best of the wood working dude on you tube that's my opinion
@@SpencleyDesignCoshrimp. So, if you want to have the box cleaner without dust collecting on the corners and under the motor, I suggest you drill some small holes in the bottom of the door near the floor of the box. Maybe even drill them on a downward 45 degree angle. It will pull air through those holes and essentially sweep the bottom of the box clean as it runs. It will increase the air speed from front to back along the bottom of the box and not just from the central hole to the back.
Shrimp!!! Ive been trying to decide how to do something like this for ages and not being a 'proficient' diy'er, the ideas I had were complex and not ideal.
This is so simple, thanks for simplifying life for me!!
Looking at how close the bottom of the box is to the router, I do have concerns about adequate router cooling. Also, all that dust at the bottom will have a tendency to get inside of a motor, causing potential problems. TBH, I'd relocate the dust collection intake to the bottom of the box, rather then having it on the side. This way you will have the air flowing around the router, helping to cool it. And the the dust won't build up in the bottom as much
Won’t the vacuum also help with cooling??
Shrimp It is not just the air flow for cooling but also the dust in the air will get into the router and reduce the life of the router. It is better to have an outside source of cooling air for the router.
Shrimp! I saw a great pro-tip on another channel. I cut a 4" hole in the bottom of the router box and installed hose from the router's intake to fresh air outside the box. Like you, I don't have data to back this up but it makes sense to have the router breathing in fresh air. Thanks for your videos.
Lobster. I have another idea for your dust problem that mightve been a little simpler. Those hinges should have a few mm of adjustment in both direction. So if you spaced the door off of the box a little bit it would allow air to be sucked in around the entire perimeter of the door. Might eliminate the whistle, and should help to grab any dust that gets stuck on the bottom and corners of the box. Kind of moot now that you fixed it but who knows someone might see this comment and find it useful
Great suggestion zac! Thanks man
Save it for the aftershow
Agree. Door gap should help a lot. Suck the shrimp right out of there.
Shrimp: I did al this a few years ago. As many others have noted it is airflow that makes the difference. I actually use a 4" blast gate as my input at the top of one side if the box to adjust the airflow as needed, I have a clear perspex opposite side that has an open 4" dust port. I have the bevelled sides to direct the dust down to the open dust port. All this as well as fence dust collection on top seem to do the job very well. I also have an opening in the top inline with the router bit to grab the dust when routing trenches. 👍
Nice idea. I think I would have opted to make it a drawer so any left over dust can easily be cleaned by just pulling out the drawer and empty it over a dustbin.
I’m schrimply happy that i found this video! Just saw it in my feed and decided to watch it! Way more interesting than trying to sleep!
Shrimp: should we have any concerns about the router motor itself getting clogged up through its vent ports now that the entire thing is encased in a box.
I'm also thinking about fire hazard from the motor brushes igniting fine dust particles that are then sucked out into the extraction bin.
Any thoughts?
I do enjoy the homemade tool adaptions for the workshop videos. Good job. 👍
I really think if that were a major concern then companies like Rockler and Sawstop wouldn't make the metal boxes and router manufacturers would recommend not using their routers with router tables. Even without a dust box the router will pull in some of the fine dust. I usually use compressed air and blow out the motor after heavy use.
Shrimp code word is absolutely hilarious!! Love your content!
Shrimp Absolutely loved this, the music, camera *work, and voice over just makes the perfect video to throw on and relax to. You are now definitely on list of woodworking youtubers I throw on for a bit of free mental space. Love the work and look forward to the future vids! Much love ❤️
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Shrimp .. great build that whole project table and dust collection will work for me. thank you for a great idea.
Nice video, I hope you didn't fill your router up with dust while checking the vac. I might have the router running during the test next time. The air running through the router helps keep it clear of dust. Hopefully
Shrimp Collection success!! Thanks for the videos. much appreciated.
Shrimp...Great video, I have a craftsman benchtop router table and would like to build a box similar to this around the bottom for dust consolidation! Great idea!
Shrimp Happy New Year’s Eve. Thanks. Wishing you a healthy and prosperous 2024!
I was impressed that you picked up how the SHRIMPy hole in the throat plate would restrict airflow, and would have done the exact same thing with chamfer plates myself under my "cheating table saw made from an old circular saw" that I used to have, but instead of a rear entry for the extractor hose, just made the floor of the box where i put the fitting, and made that removable for accessing the saw for adjustments / blade changes. Dust accumulation problems were pretty much eliminated.
Shrimp was the main ingredient of dinner tonight.
Fantastic job making do with what you had and tackling problems as they came up!
Shrimp. I had the same issue after building my custom enclosure. My fix... since you probably need/want a hose to your fence to collect dust as well, pipe it to a 2.5" port 90 degrees from the back main 4" hose connection. It provides the extra airflow and it helps "spin" the air in the box to keep it more cleared... and you get the benefit of dust collection on the fence at the bit location.
Shrimp, found your channel a few weeks ago, can’t wait to do this and find all the plans. Glad to see you’re doing well
Thanks again for all to great advise and plans for this collector. And don't forget to order the shrimp
In my shop I have a cyclone vac top on a 55 gal drum. I can turn it on and I have ball valves set up to open suction to different tools around the shop. It works well to cover my row of miter saws, band saw, table saw, and router table. I haven't figured out how I want to do a lathe vac system, but I figure a large channel will work.
Shrimp for tea! Thanks for your video, was great. Love that hinge tool!
Shrimp, the collection port on the bottom would have been a excellent location with a straight pass thru to hose.. excellent build once again.
Shrimp, this is cool. Can't wait to do something like this one day!
"SHRIMP" Yep, not only did I watch the whole presentation, I saved it in my "projects" folder too!
Yhis is a definite MUST DO for my shop. Thanks for sharing.... 👍
Shrimp.... I will start looking into making a router table like how you have done. Great idea.
Shrimp.
Like you I did something simliar on my tablesaw for my router table. I ended up adding a few holes near the bottom far edge from my dust collection intake. Massive improvement in the router box for dust in the corners.
Shrimp, thanks this is wat I needed to enhance the flow in my small Proxxon sawtable. My dust collection removes excess dust but it builds up in the corners, this could be it to lead it to the exhaust hole.
Shrimp--Thanks for this! It gave me an idea about my router table!!
Shrimp. Your videos are great. Thank you very much.
Shrimp - Just starting my fine woodworking adventure. I'm collecting great ideas and this one is now on the list. Of course, I'll have to get a dust collection system first. Thanks!
Shrimp are some of my favorite crustaceans, but they don't hold a candle to your channel, Spencley Design! As a person newly acquainted with all things woodworking, you've quickly become one of my favorite content creators. And kit all comes down to one word: Cauk! jk, it's really frugality :D
Shrimp. Nice build. Would have liked to see how the dust collection performs while you are routing something.
Love shrimp video. I have idea to add to it. Set the hose at the gotten of the dust collector box. That what I plan to do. When I decided to build mine. Thank you for the idea.
Bottom not gotten I missed spelled that. My auto correct and phone thinking for me. And some time choose the next word for me. Can really confuse ppl at time. plus my phone enjoys making me look and sound dumb at times, 😂😂😂😂😂😂 have to love technology
Shrimp. Love your ideas, friend. Thanks!
Shrimply liked watching you troubleshoot something that we all get a bit nuts over in the woodshop. Thanks for keeping it simple
Shrimp, I added a ~3" hose (shop Vac size) from the side of the box up to a fitting in the fence at the cutter (traditional place for collection). So there are 2 potential paths for the air - down the router hole into the box, and from the fence into the box. Much higher air flow, which also helped clear the box.
I made a boxed router fence and connected the dust collector hose to it. I really haven't had the need for adjustable wings on the fence. It collects a majority of the dust, but would consider a box underneath also. A sloped bottom on the box with the port near the bottom of the slope would be best, but probably unnecessary.
Shrimp. With all of the advice on how to say "caulk" I forgot what I wanted to say. I have been thinking about getting rid of my router table for years. Adding an extension to my table saw is a fantastic resolution to the problem. Thank you very much for the help. Wolf in Kingston.
Shrimp...cool idea and a couple of thoughts. First is how you're testing - it's not real world because youre not considering that the router bit will be running (above) the table plane and spewing dust everywhere. You should retest with that in mind. Second thought: punching holes in the throat plate for more air flow which'll have the benefit of more dust capturing and router cooling.
Now, question: my router table is cast iron so i cant drill a box into it. What would you suggest, embedding high strength magnets along the top edge of the wooden box?
I built my router lift into an old wood teacher's desk. I also have a router fence system on it. I modified the desk file drawer as a dust collection box with an extesible 4" dust port for my shop dust collector. I also use router lift plate inserts that allow suction down draft around the router bit.
Shrimp Thanks again for more ideas. I have a similar project I'm planning and this gave me some ideas.
Shrimp, This is honestly so simple and nice, I enjoy woodworking videos
Shrimptastic video! I don't yet have a router, but hope that will be remedied soon. Next I need to watch your video on making your router table. I think that not only will it save me money but also space, which as you well understand is a pretty hot commodity in a garage workshop. Thanks for all your hard work on these videos!
After I built mine, I modified it. I put a separate hole in the box with a pipe coming from the back of the 'router cooling air intake' to feed it clean cold air.. this does make the vacuum less effective. But the dust extractor pulls enough th make up for the air been pulled in by the router. I also have a Y split to the fence extraction point, which can be turned off when not in use
I love these DIY Workshops Maschines, especially this " Table saw" type and this "router table" model!! To make some stuff at home, and to craft some stuff.
In Germany, we use this kind of Maschines only at the building sites, but the Festtool version. For the smaller circular table saw, or the table for the Festo router with all kinds of rail systems.
But, in our " real" carpentery business work shop, where I worked as employee, we had a totally different Maschinery!!!!
Altendorf or Martin : Table Saw, Kölle or Martin : Stationary table router, and the other big Maschines you need to produce with profit. Edge Gluer, Horizontal CNC circular plate saw, CNC work center, cylindrical sanding Maschine, bla bla🙈🙈🙈🙈😁😁😁‼️
Hi Shrimp.
To help of the bottom of the box and also give more air to your saw dust collection unit. I would’ve drilled about three or four three-quarter inch holes at the base where your door is so that it sweeps across the bottom and to the dust collection hose rather than gapping it. Anyway. That was just an idea. Cheers
Shrimp. I like your router dust collection box except for one concern. The router motor obviously draws air for cooling ventilation. The motor is a universal ac/dc motor, so it has a commutator with carbon brushes. Carbon brushes require clean cooling air to provide the best performance and longevity. I am also puzzled as the air which is vented from the motor clashes with the air being drawn down through the table via the insert ring. Appreciate your comments as I, like you, wish to improve my router table dust collection without damaging my router motor.
Shrimp. Im a new subscriber Mate. I love your work. i look forward to catching up on your library.
Tongue out and at 6:29 unconsciously flip the bird while intently concentrating. Enjoyed the video, thanks for your time
Shrimp! I am really enjoying your content. I am subscribed and "patreoned". Keep up the good work
Shrimp. I need to make one for my router table. It got you a new subscription.
Shrimp cocktail is my favorite! Great video!
Shrimp-ossibly cool! I love dust reducing hacks like that. Since i was a kid, whenver my dad cuts or drills things, he made me vacuum right at the source so we had less cleaning afterwards.
Shrimp Scampi is good, just like every video of yours that I have watched, I take insperation from many of yourt videos and use what I have learned toward my own "shop". Thank you!
Funny lookin hair there "Shrimp". Great idea you have there, nice to see it come together
Shrimple idea for a messy problem, the gap on mine was put on the bottom of the box to promote the airflow across the bed of the box. This stopped that little pile of dust building up under the router.
Shrimp. You are the overkill king but I like it because I’m the same way. Love your videos and presentation!
Shrimp ! I'm allergic to shrimp, but niot to watching your videos. I downloaded the plan from Kreg evn though I don't have a router table like this. I learnerd alot just watching you make this "simple" box. I like the way yuou tell us about the process and not to sweat the small stuff. Thanks for what you do !
Hobbyist woodworker builds plywood box and drills some holes in it. True craftsmanship.
But it is PRECISELY square which the dust particle really appreciate.
This is "Shrimply" the best idea. I need to build some "catch boxes" in my shop.
Shrimp. Which is better for dust collection downdraft or just off to the side of the router. The video was informative and appreciated.
you can add a 2 hose from the router box to a fence dust port. Probably help with the static pressure you described
Shrimply awesome build!
Shrimp
This is the first video of yours I've seen as the algorithm suggested it, and it was super helpful. From the description I easily found the video about the new router table insert you put in and enjoyed that as well.
However checking your video list I have no idea what your other videos are about because the titles are just clickbait....I recommend some sort of relevant subtitle so people can find your videos about topics they care about.
I know this is older but I find a fence with dust collection is more effective for me. A router in a table cuts and throws waste more horizontally across the table surface. I have an old shopvac connected on my fence and don't have much dust on the floor below my router. Anyone can try this by laying a vacuum hose on the table near the bit. Will work better if it is secured to a fence because the fence will help direct cuttings.
This is an amazing fix, and it looks like it works very well! Too bad I don't shrimping have many power tools tho.
Shrimp
Are you experiencing any issues with overheating of the router motor?
Consider adding just a few small holes (6 x 1/8" or 6x 1/4") drilled into the bottom of the box right below the center of the motor. Or, maybe 1 x 1" hole with a screen over it? This will pull fresh air into the box and assist with flushing out the accumulated wood dust that we saw under the router. And that air flow will cool the router motor.
Shrimp! 6:24 I do that toungue thing too! 😂
Holy shrimp, that is a pretty cool idea. I wonder if you could make a dremel work station using somthing similar? Possibly with a clear plexiglass outer casing for easy access to light and a top and bottom vent system?
shrimp - theres 2 things i want to suggest...
1) change the angle suction hole to make a cyclone inside the box...
2) put another hole which connect with the router grill to separate with the dust inside the box so your router will get the clean air from the outside of the box...
Shrimp. I would consider adding some inlet vents between the hinges on the door. This would create an airstream that would wash over the bottom of the router motor both clearing sawdust and helping cool the motor. Nice video!
router motor is gonna love its new feeder and the yammy dust in it.
SHRIMP Great job, love it. Keep it going.
shrimp. first video and you had me hooked all the way through. well done my dude
you don’t need to make the box airtight if you use a dust collector. Dust collectors have high CFM but low pressure, so you want to ensure there is enough paths for air volume, otherwise static pressure will build up and the dust collecting will be inefficient
Shrimp'in boat with Bubba Gump Shrimpin! Gotta love me a nice guide on tool upgrades!
shrimp - My first concern is regarding the vacuum (or air flow), of the dust collection. Too much air restriction has a tendency to put too much strain on the main blower.. For instance, you have a 4" hose but under to extreme case with the throat plate on the aperture to allow tha air to flow to the 4" hose is around 1 1/2" ~ 2", there by choking the dust collection system. Possible suggestion would be to create an adjustable aperture on the door side of the box to relieve the choking effect and allow for ventilation cooling for the router.
I shrimply don't do woodwork but I found this video entertaining and suprsingly informational!
Caridea... Do you have a manometer for your dust collection? I made one out of a push-in adapter for 3/8 tubing with a long U-shape, then filled 3/4 of the way with water and added dark food coloring. Once in a while I have to add water that's evaporated, but the color remains. Mark levels at resting stage, then completely block all suction and mark the level. Somewhere in between those will be "normal" operating levels, but if it starts creeping towards the blocked line, either your filter is clogging or it's time to empty your collection.
Shrimp salad! Great video! I am learning a lot from you. Thanks for the informative and entertaining content.
Thank you for watching Edward!
I did a router box 6 years ago. Before you could buy one and made it out of 1/4"
Plywood gluing and nailing it then sealing the edges with calk, its under a router lift
But I didnt put a door on it yet. Becuse I use a multi speed router ive got to pick it up out of the table to set the speed.
Its permently turned on, but ive added a remote switch and an outlet inside the box as well a dust collection port.
It works very good. With just a dust deputy and vacume.
Shrimp ..... erm throw another one on the barby! Great little video.
Shrimp. Goodvideo. Leaving the black caulk out would increase air flow , which is required to move lots of air and dust. Your object should be to increase air through box, not limit it. Holes on door side bottom would likely evacuate your box well. Add a couple at time… may increase noise of router rotation. Good job. I will build one now. I love my Kreg joint jigs.
He needs a convergence/divergence section so the pressure drops and the velocity increases. He doesn't want bleed air across the system to rob him of atm pressure.