Why Do Some Tanks Raise Their Gun Barrels After Firing? | Koala Explains: the 'Tank Salute'

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  • Опубликовано: 23 июн 2021
  • A quirk many modern tanks display, the so-called "tank salute" is an interesting way around the difficulties of... well, you'll just have to watch the video.
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Комментарии • 919

  • @ArmorCast
    @ArmorCast  2 года назад +796

    Inb4 all the WoT crowd rocks up to say it’s for spotting 👍😂

    • @kajmak64bit76
      @kajmak64bit76 2 года назад +24

      @Olivio sqn world of Tanks is more balanced tbh

    • @desertdesmond6736
      @desertdesmond6736 2 года назад +73

      @@kajmak64bit76 WoT is more p2w than war thunder

    • @ArmorCast
      @ArmorCast  2 года назад +69

      @@desertdesmond6736 Debateable... Ka-50 anyone?

    • @kajmak64bit76
      @kajmak64bit76 2 года назад +17

      @@desertdesmond6736 and it's p2w is more balanced then War Thunder p2w
      Harrier at 9.3
      Ka-50
      And who knows what else that i don't know off or don't remember

    • @kajmak64bit76
      @kajmak64bit76 2 года назад +20

      @@desertdesmond6736 World of Tanks also has waaaaaay better graphics... runs better too... has waaay better map design... i would like some maps to be copy pasted into War Thunder...
      World of Tanks goes trough graphical overhauls every now and then...
      In War Thunder we have the exact same 3D assets as they were in 2014 or something... that's crazy

  • @mcedd54
    @mcedd54 2 года назад +116

    Fine Video!
    The loader on our M1A1 during Desert Shield/Storm deployment was the most physically fit member of our crew. He made every effort before we crossed the berm to use the time he had to work his body in preparation for what he knew would be very demanding on him. He was never 'told' to do this. He stepped up and did it on his own. During an engagement with a T-72 I credit him with its destruction as he achieved a 3 second reload which quite possibly saved all of our asses.
    I will never like to see that vital position being eliminated in future US tanks designs but I know it's inevitable. I know many TC's felt this way but I am sure I had the best tank and crew in the US Army.

    • @barryhill1044
      @barryhill1044 2 года назад +2

      The spent shell case slides out easier when the gun in in the raised position,

    • @Altair885
      @Altair885 2 года назад +1

      Wouldn't have mattered if it had taken him two minutes, the Iraqis only had crappy export rounds designed and manufactured during the 70's, which had nowhere near the penetration needed to to knock out an m1.

    • @AndrewCZ47
      @AndrewCZ47 2 года назад +1

      It might end up similar to the Israeli Merkava - keep the 4-man crew, just the roles will change. Instead of being responsible for loading the main gun, the 4th crewmember will handle comms, close range defences and maybe a recon drone or whatever they add to a tank's arsenal by then.

    • @traviseggl3794
      @traviseggl3794 2 года назад +11

      @@barryhill1044 Their is no spent cases on the Abrams anymore. The case on the 120 is combustible, all you have left is the aft cap.

    • @mcedd54
      @mcedd54 2 года назад +11

      @@traviseggl3794; Absolutely right Travis. Our loader jokingly referred to them as 'the butt plug'.

  • @bendik8
    @bendik8 2 года назад +1237

    Im a loader on a Leo 2A4. The gunners sight does not disconnect from the stabilator or the barrel, rather it’s the barrel that disconnects bc, the barrel always follow the gunners sight while the turret is on “STAB ON”
    And the system where the cannon is raised after a shot is called “loader position” witch the loader can manually adjust to his preference, for example, I love to have the breach up high so I don’t have to push the grenade upwards, witch cuts down time and effort. Overall nice video and keep up the good work🤟🏽

    • @ArmorCast
      @ArmorCast  2 года назад +255

      Always a pleasure to have crewmen with real firsthand experience in the community!

    • @mr.stealyourgirl1104
      @mr.stealyourgirl1104 2 года назад +44

      Nice to get it explanated by a professional

    • @hellberg1831
      @hellberg1831 2 года назад +49

      as a gunner on the swedish leopard 2 tank i can confirm that the sight stays on target even when its in loading position.

    • @lavatun
      @lavatun 2 года назад +11

      @@hellberg1831 you lucky bastard.. Pretty sure you have fun all day shooting that main gun..

    • @thejonathan130
      @thejonathan130 2 года назад +42

      @@lavatun Yeah, nah. He gets about 4hrs of fun total a year. The rest is being d1cked around by his unit or Regiment. Just the way things are dude

  • @Gunsforbuns
    @Gunsforbuns 2 года назад +406

    “Though the difference this makes to load times is quite small, only 1-2 seconds”. That’s a 30% faster reload, it’a huge

    • @ArmorCast
      @ArmorCast  2 года назад +84

      Depends on the existing reload rate - in a Leopard 2 it's about 5-6 seconds per shot. Without depressing the breach we're talking more 6-8 seconds. Since first shots generally decide tank engagements anyway, it's not exactly going to be the difference between winning or losing.
      I might have phrased that a little wrong - it makes a big difference to actual rate of fire when you look at how many rounds you can pump out per minute... But that increase isn't going to make a massive difference to the outcome of an engagement.

    • @Gunsforbuns
      @Gunsforbuns 2 года назад +30

      @@ArmorCast Ive never heard of a crew not putting the breach into loading position, at least in leopards. Its safer, its faster, has no negative effect on the crews overall performance.
      Id agree that RPM is relatively useless information, but i wouldnt necessarily say 2nd shot is. The general rule is, as you said, that 1st shot wins, but i can imagine that a lot of scenarios also require the follow up shot to be a more precice, lethal shot, as when meeting someone head on the first shot is generally just a shot taken for the sake of shooting first

    • @missfire9480
      @missfire9480 2 года назад +6

      @@Gunsforbuns The point is it has not tactical value but instead purely for crew comfort.

    • @Gunsforbuns
      @Gunsforbuns 2 года назад +9

      @@missfire9480 What? The point is for both. Its more comfortable therefor leading to higher efficiency over a longer period of time. But also because if the gun werent locked into its loaders position then itd take longer to load too. Trust me, i know xD

    • @ArchOfficial
      @ArchOfficial 2 года назад +6

      @@ArmorCast "Since first shots generally decide tank engagements anyway", is this an actual statistic from combat or exercises?
      To me it seems like the majority of shots are non-penetrating because the majority of armored areas simply won't be penetrated even by APFSDS, even if just barely. One side will probably be dug-in and hull-down, so no turret ring shots for you either. Perhaps a different scenario if you ambush a column with their sides towards you in open ground, but that's not typical.
      Otherwise I can't explain why it took the US M1's more than a minute to win tank battles against Iraqi T-72M's; if the tank battle was decided in the first shot, wouldn't the M1's with superior crews, FCS, range and penetrating power just pop every T-72, be they hull down or not? Instead they had to rely on artillery, air support and ATGMs to win the big fights. Although those were at very long range.
      There was often a severe tank strength disparity in WWII, so it surely isn't true in that regard. Even if you hit a shot onto a T-34/76 in your Pz. III or Pz. IV, there's no guarantee it will do anything, let alone at 1km+.
      Something like the Iran-Iraq war seemed to be at closer ranges on average, with both sides being able to reliably penetrate eachothers' hulls with even HEAT, so perhaps it is true for that scenario.
      To me it seems more like the first side to pin down the enemy tanks and subject them to artillery/air support/missiles decides the engagement, at least in the engagements we've seen historically.

  • @cellbuilder2
    @cellbuilder2 2 года назад +854

    Meanwhile in World of Tanks:
    A new player: why do you guys raise your barrels?
    Veteran players: IT'S THE LAW

    • @FRFFW
      @FRFFW 2 года назад +15

      Illegal law to show your enemy that you win that also put "you noob and flex the winning" inside

    • @yvan9616
      @yvan9616 2 года назад +38

      They need to implement this feature in WoT... raising your gun ---> faster reload like cut 1-2% of the initial reload time

    • @bubassvaba6221
      @bubassvaba6221 2 года назад +11

      Its the way of the warrior while raming

    • @closetfucker6941
      @closetfucker6941 2 года назад +9

      its a different story for the autoloader tanks though

    • @FRFFW
      @FRFFW 2 года назад +1

      @@closetfucker6941 yes

  • @monarch4417
    @monarch4417 2 года назад +1373

    German Tankers who have different meanings: *Sweats*

  • @simptanker4565
    @simptanker4565 2 года назад +197

    Gunner : *Raise his gun*
    People : That's salute.
    Gunner : Ezpz

    • @XeroOps
      @XeroOps 2 года назад +4

      *German tbagging intensifys

    • @Cbrmkn98xs
      @Cbrmkn98xs 2 года назад

      You guys never have played WoTB eh? Once the match is over we raise our barrels and chat “GG”

    • @simptanker4565
      @simptanker4565 2 года назад +1

      @@Cbrmkn98xs sorry , really don't like unrealistic gameplay of any Wargaming games.

    • @Cbrmkn98xs
      @Cbrmkn98xs 2 года назад +2

      @@simptanker4565 yeah thats true…
      Tho both WG and Gaijin never fixed their game
      Bugs, glitches, ghost shells, both games have them

    • @unddasheit4034
      @unddasheit4034 2 года назад

      @@Cbrmkn98xs It's simple. Games! Most of games have glitches and bugs, especially online games.

  • @nicz7694
    @nicz7694 2 года назад +4

    My granddad was a Tank driver during the war and the crew served in a couple of tanks because reassignments.
    Mostly assigned as a Panther crew but also served in a Pz 4 H, Tiger and "Tiger 2".
    The Crew's loader, one of his best friends was pretty fast in his Job. In their Training he achieved a reload of a Tiger's gun in just 4 seconds which is pretty damn fast. Of course it was slower during combat conditions.
    They all survived the war and my grandpa became a good friend with british and us soldiers. We even celebrate days like christmas with their families and due to that I got to know some people as well. Can count a crazy scotsman and a chill brit to my best friends now :D

  • @scifidino5022
    @scifidino5022 2 года назад +81

    Wow, I actually knew that! :D
    Or atleast I suspected it because WW2 battleships needed to lower their gun under a certain angle to reload, too.

  • @Davito2000
    @Davito2000 2 года назад +180

    My barrel tends to take a dip after- OH, we're talking tanks again. NvM.

  • @operatorspade6409
    @operatorspade6409 2 года назад +119

    This channel is severely underrated. Keep up the good content koala!

    • @TheAlexdx7
      @TheAlexdx7 2 года назад

      Im sure he'll get there.

  • @luvr381
    @luvr381 2 года назад +72

    The commander also has a control to elevate the barrel in case he believes the terrain is about to make the gun barrel dig in to the ground.

    • @Gunsforbuns
      @Gunsforbuns 2 года назад +6

      He doesn’t have a control to “elevate it" per se, the commander has the ability to fully take control of the turret, wether he wants to elevate the canon or do a 360 with the turret is up to him. Isn’t only a button press that elevates it

    • @oishiio8768
      @oishiio8768 2 года назад +1

      @@Gunsforbunsif i may eloborate He can either take control of the gunners sight or make it so that the gun follows the commanders periscope

    • @icommenteddontworry5944
      @icommenteddontworry5944 2 года назад

      @@Gunsforbuns Well, either the Loader presses the Button for the loading pos. which is any button for each round (KE, MP / Multi-purpose) and then it goes into pos. Or after each shot if the loader deactivated the leaver which keeps the breech closed

  • @DanielxD398
    @DanielxD398 2 года назад +30

    Kinda unrelated, but I absolutely love the Leo's engine sound

  • @KICKASSoBASSIST
    @KICKASSoBASSIST 2 года назад +463

    Didn’t you make this video on your main channel? I feel like I’ve seen this question asked before

    • @AlteryxGaming
      @AlteryxGaming 2 года назад +25

      He did however this reupload I’d imagine is to move the video from his main channel

    • @karlo1199
      @karlo1199 2 года назад +19

      Yup this was a reupload, one of his last koala explains video on the main channel was to reorganize and consolidate. Some of the videos I suspect are reuploads like this one, and others like the tank thermal identification panels have had a script revision.

    • @operatorspade6409
      @operatorspade6409 2 года назад +5

      I think matsimus made a video on it as well

    • @ArmorCast
      @ArmorCast  2 года назад +135

      Yeah, I do want to get all the old Koala Explains from the main channel back up on this one, with some revisions and I can take the opportunity to fix a couple mistakes.
      Some brand new content coming out this weekend though, stay tuned!

    • @operatorspade6409
      @operatorspade6409 2 года назад +1

      @@ArmorCast completely different subject around war thunder. Do you think that we will be seeing planes with stealth capabilities once we get larger maps? F-117, b-1,b-2,SR-71 and so on. I don’t really know what other countries would have but if you don’t think they will be added why not?

  • @makarovj6871
    @makarovj6871 2 года назад +30

    To answer the question in one sentence: It is to facilitate loading/reloading operations for the loader/autoloader

    • @swaggadash9017
      @swaggadash9017 2 года назад

      Basically yes. Seems like common sense to me.

  • @vincentpaulvalmoria2297
    @vincentpaulvalmoria2297 2 года назад +458

    Seeing a german tank raising the barrel after firing*
    Guy who learns history to much: ohhh schießes 😳😳

    • @matthew.953
      @matthew.953 2 года назад +26

      It is rumoured the German tanks also say Meine Ehre heißt Treue when raising the barrel 😌 Wait a minute 😳

    • @privatepickle6779
      @privatepickle6779 2 года назад +4

      Holy crap i just realized °Д°

    • @FRFFW
      @FRFFW 2 года назад

      In parade only :)

    • @QGBlitz6969
      @QGBlitz6969 2 года назад

      ya and that HEIL STALIN!

    • @tanaypimple5682
      @tanaypimple5682 2 года назад

      Ohhh fuckkkk

  • @lucasyatezy9074
    @lucasyatezy9074 2 года назад +2

    Great video, I remember playing the old steel beasts on the leopard two but the gun sight would also raise with the gun, maybe poor modelling or a bug but this made it so much clearer that this doesn't happen. It was a pain in the sim.

  • @weirdbritishperson9542
    @weirdbritishperson9542 2 года назад +51

    When you realise that he’s already covered this on the other channel

    • @ArmorCast
      @ArmorCast  2 года назад +15

      Goal is to eventually have all the old content from the main channel reuploaded to this channel (with some edits and a couple of corrections I'll take the chance to make), along with fully new content such as the Fighter Generations video

    • @weirdbritishperson9542
      @weirdbritishperson9542 2 года назад

      @@ArmorCast seems sensible, I was just wondering

    • @TinyBearTim
      @TinyBearTim 2 года назад +3

      Double the money

    • @RossTheLoss
      @RossTheLoss 2 года назад

      @@TinyBearTim Yep

  • @24840961paul
    @24840961paul 2 года назад +18

    It used to be (In chieftain) "Check MRS" This meant - check muzzle reference system. Which meant - checking (roughly) that the main armament was still in alignment with the site, a quick way of checking.

    • @Gunsforbuns
      @Gunsforbuns 2 года назад +1

      They aren’t the same system. The loaders safety and MRS sets the canon to two different elevations, not related in any way

  • @FlyboyHelosim
    @FlyboyHelosim 2 года назад +1

    I always used to notice this on the Challenger 2 and asked about it in the comments on multiple videos but I never got an answer. Thanks for addressing why some tanks do this!

  • @TheePIB
    @TheePIB 2 года назад +7

    Although you don't usually see the M1 series tanks do this, they definitely can. There is a switch at the loader's station that will enable elevation uncouple mode, it's just not the default setting.

  • @crgkevin6542
    @crgkevin6542 2 года назад +10

    Interesting, a similar phenomenon can be seen on footage of old naval vessels when firing. Usually returning to level or near level elevations to allow loading.

  • @arkadeepkundu4729
    @arkadeepkundu4729 2 года назад +11

    0:12 The starting video is the Leopard doing the *Heil!*
    Damn, typical Germans. Guess old habits die hard.

    • @ArmorCast
      @ArmorCast  2 года назад +5

      Can... ... can we say that..? XD

  • @jakeevans5538
    @jakeevans5538 2 года назад +2

    You’re bang on, on challenger 2 it’s literally called “load mode” and once the guard is made or button is pressed in the case of leopard/Abrams the gun re-sets to its original position and only takes a few seconds

  • @charlesanthony4693
    @charlesanthony4693 2 года назад +2

    I was a loaded , gunner, and TC. A good loaded on the old Sheridan had to lift the 152mm Rounds, open the breech, close the breech and squeeze away to avoid the recoil handing on as the vehicle lifted up to the third roadwheel before slamming to the ground. The Sheridan had combustible casing which was blown out of the gun tube by air from a compressed air tank.
    In Korea it was the M48A5 Tanks with the 105mm Gun. The M48 was similar to the M60 series Tanks
    The M60 gun tube rose up as it ejected the hot case which the loader kicked away. A good loaded can pick up round after round because he trained and trained to do it. I was a gunner and a TC on the M60
    I was on the first Abrams Tank with the 105mm Gun which was the same gun used on the M60 Tank. I was a TC, I had good loaders who could open the Ammo storage door and load a round in seconds.

  • @duanevickrey5338
    @duanevickrey5338 2 года назад +4

    The M1 series can do this if the loader needs to. The loader has an elevation uncouple switch he can use if needed. It's pretty rare on the Abrams that it's used, though.

  • @AFV85
    @AFV85 2 года назад +1

    I'm quite surprised alot never knew this! I'm just am armor modeller and know it but mind you the research that goes into each model and the differences you learn through each accurate build it very surprising what you learn it's actually the best part of our hobby I think is the research! I'll sit and learn everything about 2 weeks to a month will build a model! But hopefully we get our shows and get some wins for 2022

  • @mikeandhev
    @mikeandhev 2 года назад

    Love your vids, dunno why I didn't subscribe sooner!

  • @TamamoF0X
    @TamamoF0X 2 года назад +3

    I'm still impressed with how fast the loader in the Challenger 2 clip can load a new sabot and charge in under 5 seconds.

    • @MarcLoageDJ
      @MarcLoageDJ 2 года назад

      It’s way easier to load 2 piece rounds. More room to manoeuvre.

  • @kylecopley5320
    @kylecopley5320 2 года назад +4

    Saw this on the main channel,
    Watching it again for support :)

  • @myles4gone
    @myles4gone 2 года назад +1

    I served on an M1A1 tank, and as you stated the M1A1 didn't have this feature. Although we did have guards to protect the gunner and the loader from the hot end cap that had been ejected out of the breach. from bouncing around, these guards created a small space behind the breach just for that purpose. I can see why the main gun tubes would tilt after firing to assist the end cap ejection process to keep the cap confined in that small space and assist in preparation for the next round to be loaded...by the way firing tank rounds gives a rush like no other, it's just plain fun!

    • @treadhead
      @treadhead 2 года назад

      TREADHEADS KNOW THAT
      " RUSH FEELING " FIRING THE
      " MAIN GUN " IDENTIFIED ( UP )
      FIRE , " ON THE WAY " .
      ROCK n ROLL RECOIL , THE THUNDER MADE .
      19 ECHO 10 O.S.U.T. FT. KNOX, KY
      ARMOR RULES , MOVE - SHOOT - SCOOT , TREADHEADS ON THE MOVE , INFANTRYMEN's ( LEGS )
      " BIG GUN "
      U.S.A. " THIS WE'LL DEFEND "

    • @myles4gone
      @myles4gone 2 года назад

      @@treadhead You're speaking my language! I was also a 19 Echo M60A3 before I transitioned to 19
      Kilo. Fort Knox, Ky 84' Tankers for life!

  • @azimuth361
    @azimuth361 2 года назад

    Only the BEST yiutubers out their promos at the END of their videos. Thank you for that.

  • @pewnews6935
    @pewnews6935 2 года назад +24

    Def wasn’t in mind while this system was made but it technically has the benefit of in urban environments of after shooting a little sneaky foot soldier can’t drop a grenade into the barrel because itd be too high and I doubt he’d do it if he didn’t know if it was unloaded so he would most likely wait till after it shot (ik this is prob a giga rare experience but I saw a vid of it happening to a tank before and this reminded me of it) and also too be fair a tank in an urban environment without infantry support is prob dead anyway 😂

    • @yvan9616
      @yvan9616 2 года назад +3

      Definitely happened in urban wars/guerrila warfare, in Lebanon during the civil war, we had Israeli armies occupying the Southern part of the coutry, militias used this tactic to capture crewmembers of tanks by throwing smoke grenade down the main gun. That's when they open the cupola with their hands up to surrender and not suffocate.

  • @ODST_Parker
    @ODST_Parker 2 года назад +20

    I already kinda figured this was the case, but I'm glad to have it confirmed. I just imagined the breach bouncing around relative to the turret, or just being in the highest position if the gun is depressed after firing, and I figured it was the breach returning to a "loading position" or something. Loading a stabilized breach while the turret is moving with the hull does not sound fun. RIP our War Thunder loaders, I guess.
    Also cool to know the process exists for returning it to alignment with the gun sight, as that was the only question I had about that whole system.

  • @williamscoggin1509
    @williamscoggin1509 2 года назад +1

    I always figured it was to help more easily inject the shell casing, but didn't think about for the new round was in correspondence to the breach. It would definitely be desirable to not have to lift the heavy round any further than necessary to get it into the breach. I guess I just assumed they were designed with everything kind of at the same level but I should have known better LOL.
    Just like my Springfield 40 caliber pistol as it is ejecting the spent cartridge with the slide coming back for it the barrel actually floats the exit into the barrel upward son then ask the slide comes forward it all aligns into a stable position again more reliable loading and ejection of each round without jamming.. I learned something today. 🕵️

  • @r.g.o3879
    @r.g.o3879 2 года назад

    I am an old artillery man but I used to hear that it was simply to aid in ejecting the spent round casing. The 120mm shell is a one piece design unlike with a 155mm howitzer ammo where you have the 95 pound projectile separate from the powder charge which could be made up of multiple bags of white or green bag powder depending on the range and type of shell used. As I said I was a chief of fire direction but on one or two occasions I helped load projos into the m109 howitzer. Those were near a hundred pounds I can recall seeing a couple of small 13b cannon crewman who were moving those big rounds about and my hat was always off to them. Usually all I had to lift was an RDP, pencils and chart pins lol

  • @freshfrozen3035
    @freshfrozen3035 2 года назад +7

    Always wondered
    I thought it was because off the loader can do his job easier

  • @treefittyfoh1562
    @treefittyfoh1562 2 года назад +5

    Since you are discussing tank main guns, could you please do a piece on what can damage a tanks main gun and/or elevation and azimuth mechanisms. For example in many games barrels are driven straight into concrete walls or trees and rocks, muzzles pushed though dirt and mud. I know as an avid shooter of real guns this would destroy one of my rifles and me too if I fired it with an obstruction in the barrel. Forcing collisions between barrels and objects would be a game changer for sure I believe. Maybe I am wrong but, would love to see it implemented into games. ( There is a picture of what of a leopard that fired with an obstruction in the gun barrel)

    • @uegvdczuVF
      @uegvdczuVF 2 года назад

      Unlike a rifle tank gun barrel has a 50-60 tones of tank plus all of its momentum pushing it in to the obstacle. Consequences obviously depend on what kind of obstacle, what angle, speed etc. here's some of the things that could go wrong:
      - least concerning, "losing zero" (yes, tank guns need to be zeroed in)
      - damaging the gun, a six meter barrel makes one hell of a lever
      - gun sliding of the rails and injuring/killing crew in the turret aka loose cannon
      - damaging the turret rotation and elevation mechanisms along with gun...
      That's why it will never be in the games because every time players "facehug" someone the breach of their gun should be punching out the back of their turret... :)

    • @ownage11445
      @ownage11445 2 года назад

      The obvious effect would be damaging the barrels crown which would have a major impact on accuracy

  • @yoruhernandez403
    @yoruhernandez403 2 года назад +1

    1:27
    YES I was thinking that it’s smth similar to how ppl reload their guns. While you can reload holding the gun straight, I feel raising your gun helps

  • @publicservicesinhawaii429
    @publicservicesinhawaii429 2 года назад +2

    I thought it would be for reloading, the Iowa class battleships had to straighten their gun barrels after firing so they could connect the tray and rammer to the gun breach

  • @jagermeister_1754
    @jagermeister_1754 2 года назад +3

    I honestly thought it was to dispose of the disspent shell cartridge

  • @PNolandS
    @PNolandS 2 года назад +9

    It’s just the tank saying thanks after every kill

  • @Dan186
    @Dan186 2 года назад

    Was trying to work out if your were one of us Scots.. wasnt until you said lads and lasses that i knew for sure! great video!

  • @marcelwildeboer
    @marcelwildeboer 2 года назад

    Thanks for explaining.

  • @kippamip
    @kippamip 2 года назад +6

    It just makes loading easier. We'll it did on chally anyway. I had a video somewhere of chally out firing le clerc on 3 round engagement in Estonia. Putting away the myth that auto loaders were faster.

    • @eatthisvr6
      @eatthisvr6 2 года назад +2

      isnt it more about consistency with autoloaders?

    • @kippamip
      @kippamip 2 года назад +2

      @@eatthisvr6 first to shoot wins. Simple. Quicker you get on target the better chance of survival.

    • @eatthisvr6
      @eatthisvr6 2 года назад +2

      @@kippamip does it matter how the loading is done in that case? isnt there 1 in the pipe ready to go? or do you need to assess the target and pick the ammo before hand??

    • @kippamip
      @kippamip 2 года назад +3

      @@eatthisvr6 if a round is already loaded then you fire that first and load the projectile you want for the next shot. You ideally don't want to waste KE ammo on soft skin targets.

    • @ArmorCast
      @ArmorCast  2 года назад +4

      Depends on what we call "battle carry". If you're expecting incursion with hostile tanks, you'll generally battle carry sabot. If you're getting SURPRISED by enemy tanks... someone in charge fucked up somewhere
      If it's just a routine operation you may not be driving around with the gun loaded at all, or if your main goal is infantry support and engaging soft skinned targets or fortified positions, you'll HEAT/HESH loaded

  • @cryangallegos
    @cryangallegos 2 года назад +18

    "Why do tank barrels rise up after firing?"
    *Me, understanding the basic principles of levers while eating my cereal* "probably to aid in loading those heavy ass shells in a limited space"
    Common sense FTW

    • @doomi8210
      @doomi8210 2 года назад

      I had the same thought, but while taking a dump

  • @mcedd54
    @mcedd54 2 года назад

    It's difficult to convey in print the absolutely awesome music the Leopard 2's 1500 HP V-12 motor makes. The sound and feel of it under full power is an experience I will never forget. As a long time Abrams TC, to me the Leopard is the best sounding tank on the planet. Plus you can feel every HP in your guts when one is heading your way. I wouldn't trade my M1 for it but damn, it is a beautiful thing to see, hear and feel in operation.

  • @andybreglia9431
    @andybreglia9431 2 года назад +1

    I serve in both reinforced infantry and armor in the Army. I'm familiar with M41, M48 and M60 tanks. The room for the loader is for all practical purposes nonexistent. The TC is in the cupola with Ma Deuce, and the driver is on his seat.

    • @andybreglia9431
      @andybreglia9431 2 года назад +1

      I knew I was going to forget something. Main gun has to be positioned so that the loader can load the sumbitch.

  • @BinaryKiller_Recoded
    @BinaryKiller_Recoded 2 года назад +6

    Yeah, I always thought the reason was because of the loading, since my uncle had an empty casing from a tank, I tried lifting it with nothing in it, and yes, they are heavy even then, not too heavy tho, but still a little on the heavy side.... So, because of that, I figured tanks did that because of better reloading, of course, some areas do not give them the option for this

  • @shikiraga370
    @shikiraga370 2 года назад +4

    I was half correct: I thought it was to ejeect shells

  • @vincentfegley6068
    @vincentfegley6068 2 года назад +2

    Its always cool to know why militaries do things the way they do. There is always a reason for everything.

  • @TimRHillard
    @TimRHillard 2 года назад +1

    I thought it was because the beer cooler was over there, and you had to move it to get another 😁.

  • @cherami8445
    @cherami8445 2 года назад +4

    All WT players know it's a salute!

    • @bume2212
      @bume2212 2 года назад

      German tanks: *Sweat profusely*

  • @USSAnimeNCC-
    @USSAnimeNCC- 2 года назад +28

    Tank that bow to there enemy fittings for Asian tanks lol

  • @Gyrant
    @Gyrant Год назад

    @3:33 But, Koala... I always figured a modern tank with electronic sights and a laser rangefinder auto-adjusts gun elevation to account for distance and ammo type, so the elevation of the barrel would be independent of the gunner's sight anyway.

  • @Hexigonic
    @Hexigonic 2 года назад +2

    I noticed that in one of the leopard footage one had a mounted MG42
    They still use them!

    • @icommenteddontworry5944
      @icommenteddontworry5944 2 года назад +1

      Its not an MG42, its the newer Model MG3. The gun itself is the same, but the MG3 fires 7,62x51 while the MG42 fired 7,92x57mm, which means they had different barrels of course. If im not wrong the breech was different too. And another thing which seperates them is the firerate of the MG3 and MG42. The MG42 hat a cadence of 1200-1500 rounds per minute, the MG3 ,,only" 1150 +- 150, which leads back to the breech which could be different. But youre right, its still the MG42 on the outside...

  • @Mainstr3am
    @Mainstr3am 2 года назад +3

    when im playing WOT WOTB and Warthunder i only raise my gun if ye know what i mean
    YOLO!!!!

  • @Generic_Name_1-1
    @Generic_Name_1-1 2 года назад +4

    Makes sense that the German tank raises its barrel after shooting
    History buffs when they watch Leopards shoot 😳

  • @mrsteel250
    @mrsteel250 2 года назад +1

    Is there ever an issue of the barrel hitting an obstruction when the barrel swings up or down by itself? Is there some sensor to prevent it from happening?

  • @psymons9133
    @psymons9133 2 года назад

    Very correct, but your heavy Norwegian accent did make it hard to understand at times, but your english is really top shelf, your dear Swee Ma ould be proud o her bairn!

  • @thetexanbuzzsaw3145
    @thetexanbuzzsaw3145 2 года назад +3

    Imagine having to re-aim the gun after every shot.
    This post was made by the Abrams gang

  • @stephens7136
    @stephens7136 2 года назад +3

    I'm thinking there needs to be a "RUclips Historical Society" of sorts for military topics, to ensure that reasonable discussions like this don't get accidentally hammered.
    I think getting museums involved, like Bovington Tank Museum, would give a group the respectful backing to make sure it's treated as legitimate history and not "glorifying" .

  • @_Yan_.
    @_Yan_. 2 года назад

    I love his accent its very satisfying to listen

  • @747simmer4
    @747simmer4 2 года назад +1

    that leopard diesel sounds soooo good

  • @med4511
    @med4511 2 года назад +3

    The real question is: Why do we need 7mins to give a really short answer and explain a simple thing?

  • @ShadowRhapsody81
    @ShadowRhapsody81 2 года назад +2

    I never thought about loading being the reason for this (though my only knowledge of the 'interior' of tanks is the American ones). I honestly thought they only did this on training areas as a sign that the weapon was no-longer 'armed/loaded'. As a sort of 'visual signal' to the people on the training field that there was no live round in the barrel of the tank.

    • @skaterama000
      @skaterama000 2 года назад +1

      No, that's what range flags are for. You can see that the tanks in this video that are red showing that they're still doing live fire.

  • @nigelradcliffe7613
    @nigelradcliffe7613 2 года назад

    If using bag charges as in Chieftain and Challenger not a point. Now going to the smooth bore will make it more difficult . Was at Gunnery school saw a guy get 10 rounds down in 1min 5 secs. Still got his case of champagne off the CO who set 1 min. That happened in 1980 at the BAEE.

  • @magpilot7465
    @magpilot7465 2 года назад

    That Leo engine ASMR at the start though

  • @bradleyrolston3164
    @bradleyrolston3164 2 года назад

    Loading and unloading tight space makes sense to me should watch to see if I'm right

  • @The_Digital_Ghost
    @The_Digital_Ghost 2 года назад +1

    I like to think it’s the gunner saluting to the tank he just put into the forever box

  • @johnross775
    @johnross775 2 года назад

    Cool show thank you.

  • @tecto_andy
    @tecto_andy 2 года назад +1

    3:48 I like the AK strapped to the turret lmao

  • @gregorygirard5290
    @gregorygirard5290 2 года назад

    It’s called Elevation Uncouple switch. Uncouples the gun from the sight/ stabilization system. Load gun, switch to off , the gun goes to where the sight is focused on. Sweet.

  • @biggsydaboss3410
    @biggsydaboss3410 2 года назад

    You sound Scottish mate. A good pal of mine's was in the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards & used to drive a Challenger 2. He said it is still one of the best tanks in the world, even though there have been a few new ones introduced to various armies around the world.

  • @MarcLoageDJ
    @MarcLoageDJ 2 года назад

    This is really valuable for tanks that fire 1 piece rounds. I was on a CR2 and using 2 piece rounds was way better as we didn’t have to mess about as much. Not saying it wasn’t cramped though, but loading 2 piece in my opinion was much better than 1 as they are quite long.

  • @bonk2910
    @bonk2910 2 года назад +1

    I actually find it incredibly fitting that the western tanks in the vid salute or almost wave to the enemy as a sign of respect after firing, whereas the k2 korean tank bows.

  • @ragnarrocksoft9096
    @ragnarrocksoft9096 Год назад

    Leopard 2 after killing you: "I salute you, worthy oponent"
    K2 after killing you: *points down*

  • @veekshithbhandary3600
    @veekshithbhandary3600 2 года назад

    Can you please make a video explaining the mechanism for gun stability?

  • @fiftiesman1958
    @fiftiesman1958 2 года назад

    What comes to mind after watching this video is the experimental American tanks from the 50s. The T54E1 had an oscilating turret in order to keep the loading system of its autoloader in line with the gun. It probably would have been a better design if it could have been produced during WW2, but that never did or could have happened. That autoloader might have done some good (don't know how well it performed under testing), but in the end, it was just another prototype for the Army to test and learn from. Overal, the design was pretty smart but the T54 too was in an era that it was obsolete.

  • @Mia13jml
    @Mia13jml 2 года назад

    19k for 20 years in the US Army. As a tanker in the M1A2 SEPv3, a barrel is raised only for range/safety discipline when doing Gunnery, traversing ditches or making a movement with other tanks in your company. There is plenty of room in the hull for the barrel to stay level and be effectively loaded while the Gunner or TC are acquiring more targets simultaneously.

  • @OceanTheFreak
    @OceanTheFreak 2 года назад +1

    Leo 2 custom wedge loader handle for maximum comfort, speed and less back problems :3

  • @SevenDeMagnus
    @SevenDeMagnus 2 года назад

    I've always wondered too.

  • @lochnessmonster5149
    @lochnessmonster5149 2 года назад

    I would love to operate an MBT like the Abrams or Leopard tank. Like Tom Clancy said, it's like driving a 60 ton Corvette.

  • @makuraduckie9914
    @makuraduckie9914 2 года назад

    ty koala for explaining this

  • @robertsweeney4457
    @robertsweeney4457 2 года назад

    This Is pretty interesting does this also pertain to naval gunnery? I'm asking cus I've noticed this sometimes when watching old videos with small boys and capital ships not so much r2d2 but I'm not a gunners mate just a dirt sailor and former ABH

  • @PubeWrangler
    @PubeWrangler 2 года назад

    I'm still trying to find out why tank cannons retract after firing. Is it like for recoil management or what?

  • @col.waltervonschonkopf69
    @col.waltervonschonkopf69 Год назад +2

    Uhh, because... they somehow get turned on? Weird tank libido?

  • @barryhill1044
    @barryhill1044 2 года назад

    Simple “ So that the spent shell casing that is still in the breach Slides out Easier than if it remained level

  • @fridaycaliforniaa236
    @fridaycaliforniaa236 2 года назад +1

    In the Leclerc, it's for the autoloader =)

  • @dougsteel7414
    @dougsteel7414 2 года назад +1

    I find it amazing it isn't always automated. There's been robot arms that can tighten tiny screws on cars since the 80s. These days, it could adjust to any situation, fix jams, anything. These tanks are expensive

    • @ianstobie
      @ianstobie 2 года назад

      Much bigger issue, which others on this channel will know more about than me. Doctrinal differences between countries. No autoloader gives space for extra crew member, who can also be used for other purposes. Modern autoloaders may allow lower turret. All sorts of other pros and cons.

  • @petertripp3153
    @petertripp3153 2 года назад

    i was a chieftain gunner and the barrel elevated after firing because of the recuperators. on acquiring the target the gunner depressed onto the target whhich reduced pressure on them

  • @darkshock42mlg05
    @darkshock42mlg05 2 года назад

    Thats exacly what i thought when i saw this. It would make sense that it rases the gun barrel to eject the spent casing.

  • @outka5tz
    @outka5tz 2 года назад

    He said 1-2 seconds is small but the addition I was waiting for and didn’t hear is 1-2 extra seconds of a ready gun can save your life or your friends lives in combat.

  • @stilpa1
    @stilpa1 2 года назад

    Make the electro magnetic explosive armour video already! It is a very interesting topic!

  • @panzeraufblitz5192
    @panzeraufblitz5192 2 года назад

    Thats the tank crews way of showing respect after they get a kill

  • @yosianderson4828
    @yosianderson4828 2 года назад

    0:13 Me whenever I stand up for a presentation

  • @99PMoon
    @99PMoon 2 года назад

    The loader on the M1 needs to work on his form. You can bring down reload times to 7-8 sec. Planning out your load out in the ready rack is definitely essential.

  • @cheesynacho4real
    @cheesynacho4real 2 года назад

    finally a good Scottish youtuber

  • @laurit.5699
    @laurit.5699 2 года назад +1

    Tank salute :D Never heard that one before. Heil SABOT! says the Leopard 2A

  • @coryhuckabee5917
    @coryhuckabee5917 2 года назад

    Love how everyone gives away why our forces do certain things. Such as this, raising the barrel, enemy sees tank barrel go up after watching this video, knows its party time till the gun comes back down. And yes I know there is still a coax gun and or top mounted guns

    • @skaterama000
      @skaterama000 2 года назад

      It's not party time after they fire a shot, because most tankers have it in their doctrine to back off their firing position and reposition elsewhere for the next shot.