Wow videos on back to back days, aren't we lucky. I wonder if the HNI will replace the buzzard in my arsenal as the cloaky, combat scanning explorer. Also you can totally fit up an alpha heron to combat scan and hack at the same time, this is the Heron fit that I use. [Heron, Anomaly] Inertial Stabilizers II Inertial Stabilizers II Data Analyzer I Relic Analyzer I PL-0 Scoped Cargo Scanner Scan Rangefinding Array I 5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive Expanded Probe Launcher I 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Hobgoblin II x7 Sisters Core Scanner Probe x16 Hail S x400 Sisters Combat Scanner Probe x16 IGN: Tension Travis
You are right it can be done. very rarely I am over cautious. I think last time i tried it was maybe one of the less trained alphas, or maybe i was thinking of having a cloak with an expanded launcher, who knows!? I might switch out a Inertia stab for a nanofibre to reduce the sig bloom and drop a rig to boost the relic scanner though. You should be able to scan anything you can deal with even with regular probes if need be and hack better too :)
I'm really excited for this. The only real options for exploration frigates have been a simple streamline- typically heron, then astero, then buzzard/whichever faction they want to fly. IGN: Logisticius the Merchant
They should be awesome! The point of the FW expansion is player retention, it's not intended for us bitter vets lol, CCP has already taken our money and so many of us have already quit or dialled back on the number of sub'd accounts [plex or not]. FW used to have some of the best sub-cap PVP in the game and a natural funnel from the tutorial missions and epic arcs... These ships will be combat probe scouts for fleets to drop on stuff and maybe additional hacking content. Pilots will not need to purchase a traditional 'expensive' probe COMBAT ship e.g Sunesis / T3D or low DPS T1 explorer [run away! run away!] to participate in a meaningful way, it's a DUMP for all the accumulated FW LP that's been farmed all these years. They're going to be cheap and accessible which helps Alphas run the new NOVICE sites in FW which will be limited to Rookie ships, T1 and Navy. This gives them an important role and the DPS to compete, and who knows, maybe they'll need a data analyser in some of the sites? Tremendous step forward for FW, but the game needs so much more.
I have played 14 years, I am not bitter! :) They will be good in the FW stuff but they will be fun and good at some other very fun stuff too. It would be a shame if they got tagged as FW only ships :) o7
I'm looking forward to these more than the battle cruisers. The covert ops versions of these ships are really too expensive, and the only covops frigate you can do much of anything with is the Astero... even more expensive. I think these will make excellent bait/tackle. I've lost Herons attempting it, depending on your target ship they can kill the bait and run before your over watch friend/alt can get them locked. These can be fitted up with some extra tank and even apply some added DPS. I agree with you though that the Imicus and Magnate have always and will continue to be hamstrung by a missing utility high slot. Lots of combinations and uses I could think of for these ships, at least the Heron and Cheetah.
There is a clear disbalance in the firepower of these ships. But maybe there is a reason and might be explain as the story unfold (*). I don't see a thread on the forum for feedback yet. The price of the ships should be "the same" as the other navy frigates, at least LP wise and material wise ; then the market is the market. The Probe Fleet can use 2 launchers and 2 turrets at the same time and deal a good amount of damage even for alpha players limited to level 4 Minmatar Frigate, so it might become a new favorite for relatively cheap low tier abyss. (*) To be honest, I find it hard to follow and get involved with the new story. They sometimes publish some hint on Twitter but I don't use it, and they seem to leak some information, if not provide video footage, to some content creators, so if you don't know who to follow you can miss out on a story unfolding. And the NPC corp The Scope who is often used to publish "news" on RUclips does not cover anything. Sure, there is some information covered in The Beat by CCP, but then the small stories are already completed. I wished the information was available directly from the game launcher, instead of on external sources. IGN: Suki Vokkonen
Is there already Info about the lP cost and where u can get it. I guess the Hero Navy Issue will be available in Caldari Navy LP-Shop und State Protectorate LP-Shop. Can u do a small video on that? I would have been happier with faction destroyers but i appreciate this scanfrigs too. In first i'm a explorer so new ship fpr new niches are welcome.
I shall as soon as more details are out. As you said you will go to the related LP store to get them. There are tokens involved too, obtainable from sites, so I guess some will get them just to sell if they are nice ISK.
Thanks for the review of the new frigates. The changes seem lukewarm. Beggar's can can't be choosers. Will you be doing a review video of each once they pop or when the prices go down?
I will put them all out when I can get them for sure. You cannot judge a ship/fit just by the numbers on the fit screen and I am interested to see if these balance when actually used as the lack of 4 hi slots on two of them looks mean, but may make sense. Maybe there is application or situation I didn't think about yet so one of them could find a real niche for itself, same with the BCs. o7
The interplay between DPS, tank and hacking ability is the most interesting part of them. They seem a bit imbalanced compared to the T1 explorers in a rather 'unEve-like' fashion. A huge DPS boost, the unique ability for a combat ship of that size to combat probe without gutting the fit, faster, more slots on some, the same scanning bonuses... but no real tradeoffs such as reduced cargo space, higher align time, greater mass, larger signature. A bonus to salvaging and unbonused drones do not give the T1 explorers a distinct role, even as a pure scanner, as the new frigates will field a tank. Imagine the tank or cargo bay you could field on a Navy Magnate hauler! T1 explos may just be a throwaway, or a new player placeholder until they can afford a Navy Issue, the only thing they do better is salvage. I think a little more effort to balance is in order. Maybe have no ability to fit a cloak so you have to use your tank and weapons? I'm not sure the blaster/rocket fit stealth bomber pilots that hunt explorers in wormholes will be best pleased about these... 🙂 IGN: Dalten Henard
Great thoughts Dallas, thanks for sharing them. The Magnate has always been a useful little truck, now even more so. I agree there are no trade offs on these hulls Abd I think they will be used in various inventive and fun ways. o7
Comparing the stats on these ships makes me wonder about the differences in ship design. The T1 and T2 ships have slight differences in design and I wonder if there are any differences between regular and Navy versions. For that matter, I've not closely looked at the currently existing Navy versions. IGN : Dianera Dragosha
They are not there. Very strange that the minmatar ship gets a missile bonus in stead of turrent bonus. I would like to check them out. Kind regards Marith of Kazarith Ign
Question??? Do you have or plan to do a video on hauling to trade hubs (do's and don'ts)? Always looking for better ways not to become a zboard statistic. IGN: Airistin Northgate
Love your vids as always - shame the heron loses the drones, but maybe it’s better to have the dos from the missiles and not have to worry about drone management. Less for my poor brain to deal with 😀 ign Agent 74 Thiesant
Being the kind of scaredy-cat that I am, just wondering if any of these frigates will enable me to escape better when 2 loki suddenly drop closed at a few km range and switch on all the good stuff :-) ign: Pollekey
Personally, unimpressed. Nothing has really changed, the Heron is still #1, but I hate the look of it, plus you have to cross train, which isn't a big deal. but.. I really wish CCP wouldn't be so lazy, and give tech II boats a different look & feel, they are after all "NAVY/FLEET" issue. They all should have been given an extra 1-2 high 1 mid & 1low slot, do I want an op little boat that can do it all! YES I BLOODY DO!!!!!!!!!, and before anyone starts shouting, Sunesis/Gnosis etc. On a side note, been watching a lot of your old vids (it's how I found you) I have questions :) ref PI do you have customs office in WH space? else how do you get you stuff off planet? Also if you were lucky enough, could you have two extractors feeding different materials into one factory? Good vid, missed yesterdays so going there now o7.
Ran right over when I saw that you uploaded another one. Always look forward to that. Have a good weekend Mark.
We had a hectic summer. More free time now. Much to talk about these days :)
Wow videos on back to back days, aren't we lucky. I wonder if the HNI will replace the buzzard in my arsenal as the cloaky, combat scanning explorer. Also you can totally fit up an alpha heron to combat scan and hack at the same time, this is the Heron fit that I use.
[Heron, Anomaly]
Inertial Stabilizers II
Inertial Stabilizers II
Data Analyzer I
Relic Analyzer I
PL-0 Scoped Cargo Scanner
Scan Rangefinding Array I
5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Expanded Probe Launcher I
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Hobgoblin II x7
Sisters Core Scanner Probe x16
Hail S x400
Sisters Combat Scanner Probe x16
IGN: Tension Travis
You are right it can be done. very rarely I am over cautious. I think last time i tried it was maybe one of the less trained alphas, or maybe i was thinking of having a cloak with an expanded launcher, who knows!? I might switch out a Inertia stab for a nanofibre to reduce the sig bloom and drop a rig to boost the relic scanner though. You should be able to scan anything you can deal with even with regular probes if need be and hack better too :)
I'm really excited for this. The only real options for exploration frigates have been a simple streamline- typically heron, then astero, then buzzard/whichever faction they want to fly.
IGN: Logisticius the Merchant
I do feel like they could have done more changes between the frigates but still happy we are getting something.
Imicus can also now lock 5 targets now 4 (Shep Healy JR)
Good spot Donald! o7
They should be awesome! The point of the FW expansion is player retention, it's not intended for us bitter vets lol, CCP has already taken our money and so many of us have already quit or dialled back on the number of sub'd accounts [plex or not]. FW used to have some of the best sub-cap PVP in the game and a natural funnel from the tutorial missions and epic arcs...
These ships will be combat probe scouts for fleets to drop on stuff and maybe additional hacking content. Pilots will not need to purchase a traditional 'expensive' probe COMBAT ship e.g Sunesis / T3D or low DPS T1 explorer [run away! run away!] to participate in a meaningful way, it's a DUMP for all the accumulated FW LP that's been farmed all these years. They're going to be cheap and accessible which helps Alphas run the new NOVICE sites in FW which will be limited to Rookie ships, T1 and Navy. This gives them an important role and the DPS to compete, and who knows, maybe they'll need a data analyser in some of the sites?
Tremendous step forward for FW, but the game needs so much more.
I have played 14 years, I am not bitter! :) They will be good in the FW stuff but they will be fun and good at some other very fun stuff too. It would be a shame if they got tagged as FW only ships :) o7
It sure is nice to see new ships in the game. Let's just hope they keep it up. Maybe we will see some bigger ships released soon. IGN: Budzbud
I covered the
incoming Battlecruisers yesterday :)
I'm looking forward to these more than the battle cruisers. The covert ops versions of these ships are really too expensive, and the only covops frigate you can do much of anything with is the Astero... even more expensive. I think these will make excellent bait/tackle. I've lost Herons attempting it, depending on your target ship they can kill the bait and run before your over watch friend/alt can get them locked. These can be fitted up with some extra tank and even apply some added DPS. I agree with you though that the Imicus and Magnate have always and will continue to be hamstrung by a missing utility high slot. Lots of combinations and uses I could think of for these ships, at least the Heron and Cheetah.
Yes Michael, they should be fun and baiting is a cool idea! o7
I like the sound of the new ships, but I would like to keep drones...Pat Noob
Great set of videos. They should all be able to cloak. Difference should be in mid and low slots.
Thanks mate. I agree o7
Eve’in is believ’in!
There is a clear disbalance in the firepower of these ships. But maybe there is a reason and might be explain as the story unfold (*). I don't see a thread on the forum for feedback yet. The price of the ships should be "the same" as the other navy frigates, at least LP wise and material wise ; then the market is the market.
The Probe Fleet can use 2 launchers and 2 turrets at the same time and deal a good amount of damage even for alpha players limited to level 4 Minmatar Frigate, so it might become a new favorite for relatively cheap low tier abyss.
(*) To be honest, I find it hard to follow and get involved with the new story. They sometimes publish some hint on Twitter but I don't use it, and they seem to leak some information, if not provide video footage, to some content creators, so if you don't know who to follow you can miss out on a story unfolding. And the NPC corp The Scope who is often used to publish "news" on RUclips does not cover anything. Sure, there is some information covered in The Beat by CCP, but then the small stories are already completed. I wished the information was available directly from the game launcher, instead of on external sources.
IGN: Suki Vokkonen
Is there already Info about the lP cost and where u can get it. I guess the Hero Navy Issue will be available in Caldari Navy LP-Shop und State Protectorate LP-Shop. Can u do a small video on that? I would have been happier with faction destroyers but i appreciate this scanfrigs too. In first i'm a explorer so new ship fpr new niches are welcome.
I shall as soon as more details are out. As you said you will go to the related LP store to get them. There are tokens involved too, obtainable from sites, so I guess some will get them just to sell if they are nice ISK.
@@daddex9222 There is enough time to collect some LP in before. First Day pries would be high
Thanks for the review of the new frigates. The changes seem lukewarm. Beggar's can can't be choosers. Will you be doing a review video of each once they pop or when the prices go down?
I will put them all out when I can get them for sure. You cannot judge a ship/fit just by the numbers on the fit screen and I am interested to see if these balance when actually used as the lack of 4 hi slots on two of them looks mean, but may make sense. Maybe there is application or situation I didn't think about yet so one of them could find a real niche for itself, same with the BCs. o7
The interplay between DPS, tank and hacking ability is the most interesting part of them.
They seem a bit imbalanced compared to the T1 explorers in a rather 'unEve-like' fashion. A huge DPS boost, the unique ability for a combat ship of that size to combat probe without gutting the fit, faster, more slots on some, the same scanning bonuses... but no real tradeoffs such as reduced cargo space, higher align time, greater mass, larger signature. A bonus to salvaging and unbonused drones do not give the T1 explorers a distinct role, even as a pure scanner, as the new frigates will field a tank. Imagine the tank or cargo bay you could field on a Navy Magnate hauler! T1 explos may just be a throwaway, or a new player placeholder until they can afford a Navy Issue, the only thing they do better is salvage. I think a little more effort to balance is in order. Maybe have no ability to fit a cloak so you have to use your tank and weapons?
I'm not sure the blaster/rocket fit stealth bomber pilots that hunt explorers in wormholes will be best pleased about these... 🙂
IGN: Dalten Henard
Great thoughts Dallas, thanks for sharing them. The Magnate has always been a useful little truck, now even more so. I agree there are no trade offs on these hulls Abd I think they will be used in various inventive and fun ways. o7
@@daddex9222 Frigate escape bay combat scanner.
Comparing the stats on these ships makes me wonder about the differences in ship design. The T1 and T2 ships have slight differences in design and I wonder if there are any differences between regular and Navy versions.
For that matter, I've not closely looked at the currently existing Navy versions.
IGN : Dianera Dragosha
Magnate rigged with 2200+ cargo, that's a lot of cap charges. Escape bays everywhere will rejoice!
They are not there. Very strange that the minmatar ship gets a missile bonus in stead of turrent bonus. I would like to check them out. Kind regards Marith of Kazarith Ign
Not there?
@@daddex9222 with the build. It needs some refinement.
Question???
Do you have or plan to do a video on hauling to trade hubs (do's and don'ts)? Always looking for better ways not to become a zboard statistic.
IGN: Airistin Northgate
Love your vids as always - shame the heron loses the drones, but maybe it’s better to have the dos from the missiles and not have to worry about drone management. Less for my poor brain to deal with 😀 ign Agent 74 Thiesant
Yep, sometimes simple is best. Not sure why they went with missiles on the Probe though, it doesn't fit with the others really.
well these are a welcome surprise to me :) I'll be using that magnate navy as a mini-confessor haha. ign: Delihria
Can't wait for Heron fleet issue fleets
IGN: Conrad Tsanen
Imagine kill a 400 mill retribution, and a confessor in my NAVY IMICUS 😳 destoth zkill
I wish they would have left the drone bays alone. Other than that. Pretty cool ships.
Being the kind of scaredy-cat that I am, just wondering if any of these frigates will enable me to escape better when 2 loki suddenly drop closed at a few km range and switch on all the good stuff :-) ign: Pollekey
Personally, unimpressed. Nothing has really changed, the Heron is still #1, but I hate the look of it, plus you have to cross train, which isn't a big deal. but.. I really wish CCP wouldn't be so lazy, and give tech II boats a different look & feel, they are after all "NAVY/FLEET" issue. They all should have been given an extra 1-2 high 1 mid & 1low slot, do I want an op little boat that can do it all! YES I BLOODY DO!!!!!!!!!, and before anyone starts shouting, Sunesis/Gnosis etc.
On a side note, been watching a lot of your old vids (it's how I found you) I have questions :) ref PI do you have customs office in WH space? else how do you get you stuff off planet? Also if you were lucky enough, could you have two extractors feeding different materials into one factory?
Good vid, missed yesterdays so going there now o7.