Yep. This changes nothing. We might have a little fun for one moment in the match with this against a wall or whatever, but her place as bottom tier remains
@@-LAH The point was the original commenter seemed to exaggerate the impact of running attacks have on the game as a whole the the other guy’s point was to rein in that thought process by pointing out how easy I can be to deal with them
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267considering how oppressive Azucena and Dragunov’s running moves were pre-patch, I’d say Tekken 8 devs just love running moves. Then they finally nerf the top tier running moves and buff the bottom tier ones
I don't understand Namco or their direction with Tekken 8. It's really not good when even people who main a character think the buffs are stupid good and overpowered.
I used to main DJ in 7 because he felt genuinely hard to play now in 8 you might as well just turn off your brain, King was a specialist character now he's a scrub, Dragonuv.... I don't even know what the hell were they on when 'balancing' him
Now this is just gonna turn into everybody complaining about that move and she will get the Azucena treatment. Making instant wr moves easy was a mistake
So they note that oppressive plus frames are an issue and heavily tone down dragunov and azucena. But then turn around and buff this character in the laziest way possible. The balance team MIGHT just be mildly incompetent. And the executional wall for while running moves should have been kept, they've proven to be a consistent problem in this game.
Wrong because drag and azucena’s running attack were mid so you logic doesn’t apply. High attack typically are very plus on block or safe because the best counter play is to duck. You don’t understand balance as much as you claim if you miss such an obvious detail to differentiate the design philosophy
A lot of the issue with those characters wasn't just the plus frames, but the situations they could put you in with not a lot of options to deal with them. This is just one move that has additional benefits tied to an install, unlike Drag and Azu who could just do it whenever they wanted.
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267 You do realize the issue is the fact you can't use 3d movement to stop this brain dead move. It's THAT PLUS, but it's also homing. So you are forced to duck as the only viable counter play. This is the exact same issue we have with Zafina's now HOMING High that's +8. If you don't see that as a problem, than you're just purposely being disingenuous. The whole issue with Azucena's running attack was that it was a task to step it/punish it while it being extremely easier to do the move than it was to defend against it.
I use the destabiliser A LOT! Its such a great, guess time, and it's 50\50 Most online players below Ganryu level😅 havr no idea that after destabiliser, she attacks low, so do that about 2 times and third destabiliser ,do a mid Works like a charm, keep them guessing After Ganryu rank, things get different😂 i cant get pass that level
I think to really buff Asuka and make her viable, they need to buff her main issues and weaknesses: Fundamentals, poking game -especially jabs, movement, mixups etc. Keeping them same, but giving her a stupidly overpowered 50/50 is still a buff, and would definitely save her from bottom tier. But it kinda tastes weird to me. I'm not sure if i like it.
Like you said, the 50/50 buff is just the wrong call. Asuka to me, since t5, has always been a character who had to work up to the 50/50 approach. Before that you have to play very defensively; poking, jabbing, parrying, and punishing. this buff feels like they flipped her fighting style on its head, it feels like step 2 is happening before step 1 which is to say SHE DOESN'T NEED TO EARN HER OFFENSIVNESS.
I actually like this kind of balancing approach. Keep her weakness weak, like bad punishment, weak close range tracking, and weak jab. Buff her strong suit like giving her more counterhit launcher and more panic button.
Her strong suit is now gorilla rushdown, when she's supposed to be the best defensive character in the game. Now people gotta stop playing when she pops Heat, cause she's gonna launch duckers and B3 keep out attempts when she runs in. I used to play Asuka, this is not her. :T
why would you nerf azucena's wr to the ground to do this with Asuka, it just doesn't make sense, seems Bamco havent stopped smoking crack yet since the season 5 akuma "nerfs" on tekken 7.
I think its a good buff to runing 1+2 (aizen) and debilitator are good buffs. She needed something to be on edge to feel better.and if devs want to give us 50/50 kind of game instead of buff her 1 jab and movement then so be it. albeit if there is a future nerf keep the current stats just put a combo scale limit on aizen (runing 1+2) like they did to dragunov although i hope its not that bad not like 70 pct maybe 80% pct.
hadn't played any tekken since original tekken tag when i bought T8. picked Asuka because i main Aoi in VF. this is really not the defensive type of character i was hoping to play. i'm sure she's good now, but i don't know if i will stick with her if this is where they want to go
She was defensive in Tekken 7, but in 8 they have went aggro with the core game. Problem is chars like Asuka and Steve didn't get the memo, so they sucked. Now, instead of fixing Asuka's core issues, they just slap on a stupid buff to ONE move that really won't change much. She's still very much low tier, and I don't care what anyone says
@@lampad4549 I am factually correct. She will never even come close to competing at the upper echelon of the tournament scene, unless Fergus does it (and he can).
When I see the first 2 hits from a combo go up to 52 damage, I don't need to see anything else. How can the balancing team be so superflous when making changes. Asuka needed a little buff because the "agressive" system of the game is not favorable to her traditional playstyle, but this is far too much.
Her move list is small, amd there are only a few moves to worry about with her. Just watch the replays and figure out the moves that give you trouble. A few times doing this, and you will never lose to this character again. She's VERY low tier. This buff does nothing to address her major flaws that keep her one of the worst chars in the game
@@AsukasButlerI’m flame ruler with asuka, can you explain why she’s bottom tier? I kinda agree with you, I make use of almost every one of her moves but once you learn her she’s easy to play against. Most people will disagree with us tho
@@STL76773 It's just how I feel playing her and from what I've seen in tier lists: she is bottom 4. I'm in Fujin. Lots of reasons why: Her damage is weak compared to most characters. We need the wall to do the same damage that other characters can do in the open. Her lows are slow. The fastest are about 20 frames and easily interrupted or readable. This hurts her mix up and poke game a lot. She has a generic 12 frame down 4, but you are -4 on HIT ! Her jab is the worst in the game with bad reach and at -2 on block. Most characters are +1 on block. That also hurts her poke game. She lacks ability to punish: she doesn't have a generic while rising 15 frame launcher to punish lows like a lot of the cast has. Her 12 frame punish (2, 3) is low damage (35) and unsafe. Many characters in this game have a few moves that give a lot of frame trap potential on block (+8, 10, 12!). She has a 23 frame FF1 that gives +5 and if it whiffs, they thought they'd be cute and add a stumbling animation like an anime girl. Now, that has changed with this ridiculous buff to her while running 1+2, but it doesn't change anything with her core issues. Her combos are also inconsistent, her tracking is sub par, etc. I will say this: she has the best defensive abilities in the game, but in Tekken 8 that is not the system. In Tekken 7, she was considered mid-tier and she played much better.
She needs more unique moves at this point, not buffs to existing moves. Can I have a faster low, a while rising 15 frame launcher, and a decent 12 frame punisher like everybody else please?
They should have left the frames for Running 1+2 at +6. They did good by nerfing Drag’s Hachet & Azucena’s Running 32, then gives another character something like this👎🏾
It’s not the same because hers can be duck to connecting it should receive a higher reward that most mid running attacks like Steve’s which is +6 on block
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267 I see what you mean, but with this in Naniwa Gusto she gains a Plus on Block High/Mid mixup that both launch on regular hit. That’s kinda braindead if you asked me.
For what its worth I really like these buffs Does it fix any of her issues? No. Is she gonna be top tier? Not likely. Do I get an obscenely busted new toy to play with? Yes
I don't feel like they were buffs at. It is kinda meh. As players get better gimmicks become less reliable and tools with utility become more valuable. Naniwa power ups are nice in theory. However, a single stock can be gained only after a hit confirm. So she must hit cleanly with a launcher or other move that grants a free follow up. In other words a confirm. She can't do it neutral. She also can't build multiple stocks. Thus limiting the value of the mechanic. Most characters gain access to these kinds of options all the time and have all of their plus on block options as a threat outside of heat. They are able to string moves together consequently and bait side step. Asuka doesn't really have that ability. Even her jab is minus. The only character that has that issue. She also is one of the only characters having only a single armor move outside of the universal heat engager. And it's a high with very little active frames that often gets eaten by other armor moves. This combination of things means the only viable way to use these changes is during heat. That telegraphs your pressure. The heater meter depletes quickly. Quick enough that a couple block strings of plus or a long combo can prevent the asuka player from applying pressure with these new "improved" gimmicks. Her naniwa moves don't have great priority and have bad start up when compared to the typical rotation used by most characters in neutral. The same problem she has with ff2. Decent plus advantage but it's slow 20ish, easily side stepped due linear tracking less than 30 degrees, lacks range from her compact hitboxes, and have poor recovery on wif. I'm going to keep using her because asuka is my homey. However, these buffs changed absolutely nothing of value IMO.
... I understand how you feel and I agree to a certain extent, but in all honesty, I would rather it stayed because it's so in character for her. BUT, since it is going to stay, then the benefits of actually connecting it should be just a beneficial as the offensive opportunity is for the opposition receiving the attack. ... in other words, maybe make the move a Guard Break on Block and a forced wall crush when they are up against the wall. And then on hit, it is a combo starter for even managing to land the attack. Another move for Crazy Strong Asuka to show off her raw strength and give people a reason to respect her in the ring. ... but that is just me. Lol.
tbh if you whiff your plus on block mid you deserve to eat shit, so that super unsafe animation doesnt really make a difference because you are still gonna get launched if you whiff your ff1 even if it didnt have that animation
Okay, huge plus on block move that leads into 50/50. Ok. That same move also now can launch on normal hit in heat...??? So they nerfed Azu running move just to create a new one? That's even better?
Theyre doing the same with steve taking his away his difficult to do tech to block from lion heart. They also refuse to buff any of his counterhits and just want you to do lion heart into 12 or 1. Such a dumb fucking direction for the character is unbelievable. I dont understand why theyre dumbing down the game to a 5050 game when they had something unique, fhis game feels like for honor at this point with some knowledge cheks
I was wondering, is anybody still playing tekken 7 a little bit? I have been playing here and there, but online all of my characters are 2 or 3 frames behind. Is anybody else experiencing this? Of course, I am going to get a shit ton of rematches now because I think they know it.
Atp Namco needs to just stop listening to all the crybabies. They are damned if they do damned if they don't. It's always gonna be a issue and problem for the vast majority of Tekken 8 players. Those who want mediocrity and neutral heavy boring play can just go back to 7 because at this point y'all just want this game watered down to mediocrity "It's too opressive" "Omg brokeeeen nerf it bamco 😭" same song and dance every time (Idgaf who feels a way about what I said; argue with ya mammy not me).
Damn, sure we knew that was going to be CH launcher because of the patch notes, but they didn't say that move alone give a fuck ton a damage before you even finish the combo lol
... I wish they would stop DESTABILIZING the Kazamas. They are all over the place right now. ... so anyway, what I don't understand is the while rising mid into the Destabilizer. While a RAW Destabilizer cannot be blocked, the while rising attack that goes into it CAN be blocked. Even on hit from my experience. It will force them to stand up, but it can still be blocked. So I don't understand the use that one.
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267 running move heavy plus on block juggle on normal if has that powerup that she will have most of the time if that's not a dumb move then I don't know what else is then
@@HERO_OMAR It’s a high which means you can get a full half health more or combo if you do duck and launch it. Drag and azu’s running attack were plus frame mids so it’s not a fair comparison and it’s a lot healthier being a high like Claudio’s.
Only Bamco can add a new patch nerfing OP + frame moves to only to add another OP + frame move. How can they nerf Drag IWR2 and Azucena IWR3,2 plus frames and buff Asuka's WR1+2 plus frames. Like how incompetent are the balancing team? This is why patches for this game should be play tested by professionals...
Because Azu and Drag were God tiers and Asuka bottom 10 :) It was easier for them to buff one or two moves for Asuka than to overhaul her entire moveset. There are serious imbalances, the game is quite complex and didn't have an arcade testing period like previous Tekkens, but overall it is not that bad IMO ( A tiers and mid tiers). Many chars can do 80 dmg or more after a CH launcher or regular launcher.
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267 It's not +8 it was +6 and now it's +4. Also I'm comparing running moves that are plus on block. Not if those running moves are high or mid. "Incompetent". You're talking to a Tekken Emperor Lars. My ass "Incompetent". Also Dragunov's WR2 can be sidewalked both sides 🤡. Your acting like that move doesn't have a weakness like Asuka's WR1+2 when it does. Maybe you're "incompetent". Pretty unneeded rude comment for no reason. I was just making a joke of how shit the balance is. Don't be an asshole.
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267 I'm comparing running moves not the moves properties in terms of high and mids. Stop finding excuses to make me seem incompetent. Both moves have weaknesses. Drag WR2 can be sidewalked. Asuka WR1+2 can be ducked. I'm not stupid you know. Maybe think before you write a comment trying to belittle someone for making a joke about Bamco's balance. I probably know more than you smh.
@@Logia1978 yes its high but at point blank its hard. it got homing,+11 , chl and also the opponent stand close to asuka after block it. and with her +11 she can do anything...but to a pro player maube no biggie unlike a noob like me
@ToshinRaizen7 Azucena was problematic because you could not step or duck... This one is strong, but you can launch Asuka if you duck....-) Let's see in the game, but I don't think it will be as spamable as the Azucena knee...
@@Logia1978 smart player will make sure people block it to user her +11,and because it doesn't pushback much a lot of follow up can be use. at point blank its not easy.. and if u got hit its a chl
@@stopbeeping8861 to be honest the WR 1+2 is the only buff and its a high, and it only works on counterhit or with gusto. Destabilizer is no use, 19f grab is slow. Asuka don't have a legit mixup after a heat burst. Even if you watch Asuka game play. They don't even spam WR1+2 that often because its a high move.
@@CosmicVoid420 Yes, I mean heat engager. Asuka's don't have a legit mix up. D1+2 is reactable in high level play. You won't throw that up because the risk is too high
I mean not just top players. These changes are just boring. Yaaaaay unavoidable casino mixups yaaaay. Clearly the only way to buff a character is to give it more braindead mixes.
Ppl will ALWAYS find a reason to complain! It's so annoying...I like this and I've never played Asuka before. I'm seriously sick of the constant crying tho
Can't wait to see a fuck load of sudden Asuka mains everywhere /s Couldn't stand her in Tekken 7 and it was nice to not see her as much in Tekken 8 until now.
That she cannot is a good change actually. It made for some terrible matchups like Hwoarang and Steve, who would already be weak against her because you do not really need to guess much should you do a kick sabaki or a punch sabaki. But then combine it with the fact that they have basically no moves which she cannot counter since they completely lack moves which are not punches or kicks. With airborne moves being uncounterable, the matchup is at least a bit more even now.
I hate how the devs go from 1 extreme to the other. I am convinced that the people who balance the game & make gameplay decisions are scrubs. I know Murray is for a fact. I've seen him play on stream.
So instead of fixing some problems the character had, they gave her a Sledgehammer.
Duck.
@@Mr.SteelinKeepIt quack
Yep. This changes nothing. We might have a little fun for one moment in the match with this against a wall or whatever, but her place as bottom tier remains
This game is very quickly turning into While Running 8.
as a Claudio and Asuka player i totally agree🤣
Most wr attacks can be stepped for a backturn combo or ducked for a normal launch
@@-LAH
The point was the original commenter seemed to exaggerate the impact of running attacks have on the game as a whole the the other guy’s point was to rein in that thought process by pointing out how easy I can be to deal with them
y and i love it
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267considering how oppressive Azucena and Dragunov’s running moves were pre-patch, I’d say Tekken 8 devs just love running moves. Then they finally nerf the top tier running moves and buff the bottom tier ones
I don't understand Namco or their direction with Tekken 8.
It's really not good when even people who main a character think the buffs are stupid good and overpowered.
I used to main DJ in 7 because he felt genuinely hard to play now in 8 you might as well just turn off your brain, King was a specialist character now he's a scrub, Dragonuv.... I don't even know what the hell were they on when 'balancing' him
Apparently there are "new players" that they want to appeal to. That's what they are claiming
I feel like this game is gonna be one of the most hated Tekkens as time goes on.
No, people are just whiny, the game is doing great.@@CosmicVoid420
@@CosmicVoid420 This might be just the last Tekken honestly
Now this is just gonna turn into everybody complaining about that move and she will get the Azucena treatment. Making instant wr moves easy was a mistake
It’s not even close to the same really. Azucena has next to no counterplay against her wr3,2. Asuka’s is a high. It has counterplay.
@@burnpisces7733 had*
@@IceeSwirlnot had* has. You can still duck and launch her
@@IceeSwirl this mf so silly 😭
You couldn’t duck Azucena’s lol
So they note that oppressive plus frames are an issue and heavily tone down dragunov and azucena. But then turn around and buff this character in the laziest way possible.
The balance team MIGHT just be mildly incompetent. And the executional wall for while running moves should have been kept, they've proven to be a consistent problem in this game.
Wrong because drag and azucena’s running attack were mid so you logic doesn’t apply. High attack typically are very plus on block or safe because the best counter play is to duck. You don’t understand balance as much as you claim if you miss such an obvious detail to differentiate the design philosophy
A lot of the issue with those characters wasn't just the plus frames, but the situations they could put you in with not a lot of options to deal with them. This is just one move that has additional benefits tied to an install, unlike Drag and Azu who could just do it whenever they wanted.
@@SujakuuClips
Well said bro that’s exactly my point of why it’s not a fair comparison
Listen to the experts bro. This isn't your expertise.
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267 You do realize the issue is the fact you can't use 3d movement to stop this brain dead move. It's THAT PLUS, but it's also homing. So you are forced to duck as the only viable counter play. This is the exact same issue we have with Zafina's now HOMING High that's +8. If you don't see that as a problem, than you're just purposely being disingenuous. The whole issue with Azucena's running attack was that it was a task to step it/punish it while it being extremely easier to do the move than it was to defend against it.
I think destablizer is a great intimidation move. They know it’s mix time. I also have used it to apply pressure/poke cause they waiting for a mix
Exactly. It kind of "ices" them for a second. No one likes to be grabbed. It was just a mind game, but now it is legit good
I use the destabiliser A LOT! Its such a great, guess time, and it's 50\50
Most online players below Ganryu level😅 havr no idea that after destabiliser, she attacks low, so do that about 2 times and third destabiliser ,do a mid
Works like a charm, keep them guessing
After Ganryu rank, things get different😂 i cant get pass that level
So they basically gave her claudios WR2 on steroids LOL
I think to really buff Asuka and make her viable, they need to buff her main issues and weaknesses: Fundamentals, poking game -especially jabs, movement, mixups etc.
Keeping them same, but giving her a stupidly overpowered 50/50 is still a buff, and would definitely save her from bottom tier. But it kinda tastes weird to me. I'm not sure if i like it.
Like you said, the 50/50 buff is just the wrong call. Asuka to me, since t5, has always been a character who had to work up to the 50/50 approach. Before that you have to play very defensively; poking, jabbing, parrying, and punishing. this buff feels like they flipped her fighting style on its head, it feels like step 2 is happening before step 1 which is to say SHE DOESN'T NEED TO EARN HER OFFENSIVNESS.
This is acceptable at this point just give her a 3 frame launcher and she is fine
Maaaaan! I let Asuka go as a main just recently and switched to Panda. HAHAHAHA!
I hate when characters are very strong only because of one or two moves, and now Asuka is one of them🗿
As a asuka and zafina main, this patch made me pretty happy lol
i swear how do you get that tornado ender consistently? i cant get it at all. any tips?
I actually like this kind of balancing approach.
Keep her weakness weak, like bad punishment, weak close range tracking, and weak jab.
Buff her strong suit like giving her more counterhit launcher and more panic button.
Her strong suit is now gorilla rushdown, when she's supposed to be the best defensive character in the game. Now people gotta stop playing when she pops Heat, cause she's gonna launch duckers and B3 keep out attempts when she runs in. I used to play Asuka, this is not her. :T
I agree I think this is a nice change
@@lsv47 Problem is that her defensive playthrough does not work in Tekken 8 because "aggressive". She needed this because of it.
why would you nerf azucena's wr to the ground to do this with Asuka, it just doesn't make sense, seems Bamco havent stopped smoking crack yet since the season 5 akuma "nerfs" on tekken 7.
I think its a good buff to runing 1+2 (aizen) and debilitator are good buffs. She needed something to be on edge to feel better.and if devs want to give us 50/50 kind of game instead of buff her 1 jab and movement then so be it. albeit if there is a future nerf keep the current stats just put a combo scale limit on aizen (runing 1+2) like they did to dragunov although i hope its not that bad not like 70 pct maybe 80% pct.
Hell yea !! Imma start using running 1+2 all the time now I’m an asuka main flame ruler
Prepare to get launched all the time then
I spinner parry those in my sleep, good luck.
Y’all acting like I’m gonna run a whole set just trying to use it the whole time I’m obviously just saying it’ll use the move more often than less
@@KATtube03 fuck up man I was half asleep hahaha
@@mylegislong6357 I rarely use running 1+2. Though I see the possibilities now
hadn't played any tekken since original tekken tag when i bought T8. picked Asuka because i main Aoi in VF. this is really not the defensive type of character i was hoping to play. i'm sure she's good now, but i don't know if i will stick with her if this is where they want to go
She was defensive in Tekken 7, but in 8 they have went aggro with the core game. Problem is chars like Asuka and Steve didn't get the memo, so they sucked. Now, instead of fixing Asuka's core issues, they just slap on a stupid buff to ONE move that really won't change much. She's still very much low tier, and I don't care what anyone says
@@AsukasButler you are just factually wrong she is insanely broken in this game. The buff makes it more so
@@lampad4549 I am factually correct. She will never even come close to competing at the upper echelon of the tournament scene, unless Fergus does it (and he can).
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Hey, if anyone should be allowed to use clickbait at this point, it's Fergus
When I see the first 2 hits from a combo go up to 52 damage, I don't need to see anything else. How can the balancing team be so superflous when making changes. Asuka needed a little buff because the "agressive" system of the game is not favorable to her traditional playstyle, but this is far too much.
Giving her more range and bringing back counter hits would be enough.... instead we got 1 overpowered move that can be easily ducked
By your own definition, it can't be "overpowered" if it can be "easily ducked" now, can it?
It is OP, but easy to read at the same time. What I mean is that's strong and unnecessary buff that doesn't help.
Tbh, I hate playing against this character before the patch. I get knowledge checked so hard
Her move list is small, amd there are only a few moves to worry about with her. Just watch the replays and figure out the moves that give you trouble. A few times doing this, and you will never lose to this character again. She's VERY low tier. This buff does nothing to address her major flaws that keep her one of the worst chars in the game
@@AsukasButler Is she really that bad?
@@AsukasButlerSkill issue
@@AsukasButlerI’m flame ruler with asuka, can you explain why she’s bottom tier? I kinda agree with you, I make use of almost every one of her moves but once you learn her she’s easy to play against. Most people will disagree with us tho
@@STL76773 It's just how I feel playing her and from what I've seen in tier lists: she is bottom 4. I'm in Fujin. Lots of reasons why: Her damage is weak compared to most characters. We need the wall to do the same damage that other characters can do in the open. Her lows are slow. The fastest are about 20 frames and easily interrupted or readable. This hurts her mix up and poke game a lot. She has a generic 12 frame down 4, but you are -4 on HIT ! Her jab is the worst in the game with bad reach and at -2 on block. Most characters are +1 on block. That also hurts her poke game. She lacks ability to punish: she doesn't have a generic while rising 15 frame launcher to punish lows like a lot of the cast has. Her 12 frame punish (2, 3) is low damage (35) and unsafe. Many characters in this game have a few moves that give a lot of frame trap potential on block (+8, 10, 12!). She has a 23 frame FF1 that gives +5 and if it whiffs, they thought they'd be cute and add a stumbling animation like an anime girl. Now, that has changed with this ridiculous buff to her while running 1+2, but it doesn't change anything with her core issues. Her combos are also inconsistent, her tracking is sub par, etc. I will say this: she has the best defensive abilities in the game, but in Tekken 8 that is not the system. In Tekken 7, she was considered mid-tier and she played much better.
I wish they addressed the issues tbh
Thank you so much for the video on this.
Should have kept the wr1+2 at +6
And made some of her strings connect like it did in T7.
She needs more unique moves at this point, not buffs to existing moves. Can I have a faster low, a while rising 15 frame launcher, and a decent 12 frame punisher like everybody else please?
They should have left the frames for Running 1+2 at +6. They did good by nerfing Drag’s Hachet & Azucena’s Running 32, then gives another character something like this👎🏾
It’s not the same because hers can be duck to connecting it should receive a higher reward that most mid running attacks like Steve’s which is +6 on block
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267 I see what you mean, but with this in Naniwa Gusto she gains a Plus on Block High/Mid mixup that both launch on regular hit. That’s kinda braindead if you asked me.
@@DarriusWilder7
I definitely agree that’s the mix up is pretty brain dead but the mid isn’t plus at least
They aim to make matches last max 5 seconds ,
Asuka Kazino
For what its worth I really like these buffs
Does it fix any of her issues? No.
Is she gonna be top tier? Not likely.
Do I get an obscenely busted new toy to play with? Yes
Insane buffs. Shegunov
I don't feel like they were buffs at. It is kinda meh. As players get better gimmicks become less reliable and tools with utility become more valuable. Naniwa power ups are nice in theory. However, a single stock can be gained only after a hit confirm. So she must hit cleanly with a launcher or other move that grants a free follow up. In other words a confirm. She can't do it neutral. She also can't build multiple stocks. Thus limiting the value of the mechanic. Most characters gain access to these kinds of options all the time and have all of their plus on block options as a threat outside of heat. They are able to string moves together consequently and bait side step. Asuka doesn't really have that ability. Even her jab is minus. The only character that has that issue. She also is one of the only characters having only a single armor move outside of the universal heat engager. And it's a high with very little active frames that often gets eaten by other armor moves. This combination of things means the only viable way to use these changes is during heat. That telegraphs your pressure. The heater meter depletes quickly. Quick enough that a couple block strings of plus or a long combo can prevent the asuka player from applying pressure with these new "improved" gimmicks. Her naniwa moves don't have great priority and have bad start up when compared to the typical rotation used by most characters in neutral. The same problem she has with ff2. Decent plus advantage but it's slow 20ish, easily side stepped due linear tracking less than 30 degrees, lacks range from her compact hitboxes, and have poor recovery on wif. I'm going to keep using her because asuka is my homey. However, these buffs changed absolutely nothing of value IMO.
You’re probably the only person who I don’t mind using clockbait
I was hoping ff1 wouldn't have that ridiculous whiff animation.
... I understand how you feel and I agree to a certain extent, but in all honesty, I would rather it stayed because it's so in character for her. BUT, since it is going to stay, then the benefits of actually connecting it should be just a beneficial as the offensive opportunity is for the opposition receiving the attack.
... in other words, maybe make the move a Guard Break on Block and a forced wall crush when they are up against the wall. And then on hit, it is a combo starter for even managing to land the attack. Another move for Crazy Strong Asuka to show off her raw strength and give people a reason to respect her in the ring.
... but that is just me. Lol.
tbh if you whiff your plus on block mid you deserve to eat shit, so that super unsafe animation doesnt really make a difference because you are still gonna get launched if you whiff your ff1 even if it didnt have that animation
@@CosmicVoid420Typical Tekken mentality. They want to have one’s cake and eat it too.
@@Haku15Mitarashi Or just give it back the counterhit property. From Tekken 7, they made the move both weaker and more punishable.
Okay, huge plus on block move that leads into 50/50. Ok. That same move also now can launch on normal hit in heat...??? So they nerfed Azu running move just to create a new one? That's even better?
Asukas move is duckable and it's very easy to do so. Not sure if azus move was
Officially Braindead Asuka now. 😂
Maybe, let's see. She didn't get buffs for her game plan though wr1+2 buff is better than getting nothing.
Until you get downloaded and everyone just ducks and launchs you
Theyre doing the same with steve taking his away his difficult to do tech to block from lion heart. They also refuse to buff any of his counterhits and just want you to do lion heart into 12 or 1. Such a dumb fucking direction for the character is unbelievable. I dont understand why theyre dumbing down the game to a 5050 game when they had something unique, fhis game feels like for honor at this point with some knowledge cheks
I wish they would done other buffs instead to her (like more combo consistency).
I guess being the #1 downplayer for your main pays off 😍
Come oooon, come oooon, come oooon, ......
Yeah. Great
great news... Not a Asuka main, but I'm tired of her being locked in mid tier
She's still low tier lol
Yea she’s did not get any Buffs that warrant Top tier, it’s only WR 1+2 which itself is crazy but can be easily adapted
Its a high.
Duck.
Kid named run up 1+2:
@@MSTRWhat rank are you? People can react to that at my rank. They will be ducking and then stand up to block 1+2. This buff will change nothing
are you doing Jun next!?
I was wondering, is anybody still playing tekken 7 a little bit? I have been playing here and there, but online all of my characters are 2 or 3 frames behind. Is anybody else experiencing this? Of course, I am going to get a shit ton of rematches now because I think they know it.
i think their formula is popular char get debuff to give way for not popular char and not popular char get buff to make it popular
That's how you keep a meta fresh while one tricks still eat good from knowing all their options
Don't forget... her FC db1+2 got nerfed to 14f xD
I still want T7 Asuka back but still any buff for her is a good change in my book ;)
lol! what is chickenchakra & iotaku on about
I didnt hear a thing fergus was saying :D
Atp Namco needs to just stop listening to all the crybabies. They are damned if they do damned if they don't. It's always gonna be a issue and problem for the vast majority of Tekken 8 players. Those who want mediocrity and neutral heavy boring play can just go back to 7 because at this point y'all just want this game watered down to mediocrity "It's too opressive" "Omg brokeeeen nerf it bamco 😭" same song and dance every time (Idgaf who feels a way about what I said; argue with ya mammy not me).
That's because they're all mediocre! Downloading opinions from other RUclipsrs!
Found the dude whos character got nerfed
@Tonguelessdanny Found a hit dog who's hollering.
That’s ok I guess
I’m asking because I’m getting beat down using my Asuka and getting caught on certain moves I’m not supposed to get hit on
I love Asuka
They need to buff her damage overall next
She had pretty high damage in tekken 7 so this is okay for her
Nice, now it's time to tbag everyone.
She needs more 👀😂
Damn, sure we knew that was going to be CH launcher because of the patch notes, but they didn't say that move alone give a fuck ton a damage before you even finish the combo lol
... I wish they would stop DESTABILIZING the Kazamas. They are all over the place right now.
... so anyway, what I don't understand is the while rising mid into the Destabilizer. While a RAW Destabilizer cannot be blocked, the while rising attack that goes into it CAN be blocked. Even on hit from my experience. It will force them to stand up, but it can still be blocked. So I don't understand the use that one.
Nerfing 1 dumb kazama and making another kazama dumb
It’s not even a dumb change
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267 running move heavy plus on block juggle on normal if has that powerup that she will have most of the time if that's not a dumb move then I don't know what else is then
@@HERO_OMAR
It’s a high which means you can get a full half health more or combo if you do duck and launch it. Drag and azu’s running attack were plus frame mids so it’s not a fair comparison and it’s a lot healthier being a high like Claudio’s.
Buffka
Are these "top" players called TMM?
Only Bamco can add a new patch nerfing OP + frame moves to only to add another OP + frame move. How can they nerf Drag IWR2 and Azucena IWR3,2 plus frames and buff Asuka's WR1+2 plus frames. Like how incompetent are the balancing team? This is why patches for this game should be play tested by professionals...
Because Azu and Drag were God tiers and Asuka bottom 10 :) It was easier for them to buff one or two moves for Asuka than to overhaul her entire moveset. There are serious imbalances, the game is quite complex and didn't have an arcade testing period like previous Tekkens, but overall it is not that bad IMO ( A tiers and mid tiers). Many chars can do 80 dmg or more after a CH launcher or regular launcher.
You sound pretty incompetent imo do you realize you compare asuka’s +11 high that can be ducked and launched to drag’s +8 mid?? Listen to yourself
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267 It's not +8 it was +6 and now it's +4. Also I'm comparing running moves that are plus on block. Not if those running moves are high or mid. "Incompetent". You're talking to a Tekken Emperor Lars. My ass "Incompetent". Also Dragunov's WR2 can be sidewalked both sides 🤡. Your acting like that move doesn't have a weakness like Asuka's WR1+2 when it does. Maybe you're "incompetent". Pretty unneeded rude comment for no reason. I was just making a joke of how shit the balance is. Don't be an asshole.
@@P-Likan Yh I'm aware. It's better than it used to be.
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267 I'm comparing running moves not the moves properties in terms of high and mids. Stop finding excuses to make me seem incompetent. Both moves have weaknesses. Drag WR2 can be sidewalked. Asuka WR1+2 can be ducked. I'm not stupid you know. Maybe think before you write a comment trying to belittle someone for making a joke about Bamco's balance. I probably know more than you smh.
Asuka players eating good this patch
Whatever you say playa...
@@AsukasButlerQuit crying, Asuka-sexual...
new azu... kool that +11 can be abuse.... a lot
It's high...
But strong move...
@@Logia1978 yes its high but at point blank its hard. it got homing,+11 , chl and also the opponent stand close to asuka after block it. and with her +11 she can do anything...but to a pro player maube no biggie unlike a noob like me
@ToshinRaizen7
Azucena was problematic because you could not step or duck...
This one is strong, but you can launch Asuka if you duck....-)
Let's see in the game, but I don't think it will be as spamable as the Azucena knee...
@@Logia1978 smart player will make sure people block it to user her +11,and because it doesn't pushback much a lot of follow up can be use. at point blank its not easy.. and if u got hit its a chl
@@Logia1978 ruclips.net/video/D38t-l7ENdU/видео.html&ab_channel=LegitHaiku
Asuka can keep all that shit but d1+2 needs to be slower.
Like 3 or 4 frames.
Mfs mashing that online in a FT3 like its godlike.
It is already pretty slow for a wr punch. But I guess you could remove it's tracking property in return make it faster.
People react to my d1+2 all the time I can't
the buffs is mediocre at best
your bugggin
@@stopbeeping8861 to be honest the WR 1+2 is the only buff and its a high, and it only works on counterhit or with gusto. Destabilizer is no use, 19f grab is slow. Asuka don't have a legit mixup after a heat burst. Even if you watch Asuka game play. They don't even spam WR1+2 that often because its a high move.
@@nagzz06 What do you mean she doesn't have a legit mixup out a heat burst?
Are you talking about after a heat engager on hit when she is +17g?
@@CosmicVoid420 Yes, I mean heat engager. Asuka's don't have a legit mix up. D1+2 is reactable in high level play. You won't throw that up because the risk is too high
Awesome. Shes my main lol
Nice !
Asuka? gorilla, Zafina? gorilla, Xiaoyu? gorilla. Gorilla 8.
Do a video of Jun’s nerfs and buffs as well
I mean not just top players. These changes are just boring. Yaaaaay unavoidable casino mixups yaaaay. Clearly the only way to buff a character is to give it more braindead mixes.
Very avoidable in asukas case.
YESS
Dude I just messed w her last night before the patch and found a 116 combo 💀
Ppl will ALWAYS find a reason to complain! It's so annoying...I like this and I've never played Asuka before. I'm seriously sick of the constant crying tho
Maybe if the Devs use their brain a bit .
Naisu
Please people we need new fighters on the big tournaments no more complaining and go out there and win
We literally got the same people that always end up in top 8 in EVO. Nothing changed other than Knee and Arslan struggling to adapt
Can't wait to see a fuck load of sudden Asuka mains everywhere /s
Couldn't stand her in Tekken 7 and it was nice to not see her as much in Tekken 8 until now.
Hi Ferg!
Hahaha nice buff
❤❤❤
Buffs on moves i dont use.
All I wanted was for her to be able to parry airborne moves again
That was a bug though lol
That she cannot is a good change actually. It made for some terrible matchups like Hwoarang and Steve, who would already be weak against her because you do not really need to guess much should you do a kick sabaki or a punch sabaki. But then combine it with the fact that they have basically no moves which she cannot counter since they completely lack moves which are not punches or kicks. With airborne moves being uncounterable, the matchup is at least a bit more even now.
@@revbladez5773
Both Steve and hwo have a good jumping attack that she can’t parry
@@blueeyeswhitekarin3267 Yes, now. In Tekken 7 where jumping attacks could be parried, no.
@@revbladez5773
That was actually not possible in tekken 7 either
she still need more buffs. Bottom 7 character fasho
Asuka top 5?
I hate how the devs go from 1 extreme to the other. I am convinced that the people who balance the game & make gameplay decisions are scrubs. I know Murray is for a fact. I've seen him play on stream.
It’s official, Asuka’s more busted than prepatched Jun.