VFX Artists React to Bad & Great CGi 132 (ft. Robert Legato)
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Wren and Niko are joined by VFX legend Robert Legato, who has worked on some of film history's biggest movies over the last several decades. Movies like Apollo 13, Titanic, and Wolf of Wall Street just to name a few.
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00:00 Welcome to VFX Artists React
00:59 How Rob's Career Started
01:54 Apollo 13
05:38 Incogni Sponsor
07:35 More Apollo 13
08:13 Star Trek The Next Generation
09:29 Titanic
12:43 Interview with the Vampire
15:01 Wolf of Wall Street
19:30 Hugo 
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You guys should check out Fallout
You guys should check out Fallout
this channel has become equivalent to having a guest speaker come to your college film class each week.
@@ceno10101 yep, film school right in my house
How about some "Through the ages" of the VFX of Doctor Who?
You brought in a lot of guests, but this brother is a true magician.
Yea he really evokes a true master just in the way he speaks so eloquently about problem solving in this industry
When he explained the film trick he used to get the light to drop off correct in the submarine shot I was blown away. That's film mastery if I've ever seen it.
Literal magician.
I have been watching this channel for 3 years or more. Legato has to be one of the top 3 OP guests. I had to pause and watch this a few times to grasp Legato's legendary status.
You could teach a semester on just this video.
I loved Rob's motivation: "I was bored as shit, so I figured out how to make the shot interesting to me."
"This is Pan & Tile, which I invented."
Just so casual about dropping in one of the most important visual editing techniques ever!
Wren's expression told me (someone with zero practical knowledge or skill in VFX) just how important!
I guess in live theater it'll be like someone saying, "so we had to call it something, this thing I invented, so we decided to call it _blocking"_
...hasn't animation been doing that forever?
meh. the lens flare is more important
@@michaelwesten4624 that's why they said "one of" and not "the most"
I love how he is so matter of fact. “How do you shoot the fire.”
“You just shoot it”
W: "I'd love to watch the rocket launch scene from Apollo 13"
R: "I've seen it"
This guy is dryer than the Sahara 😂
@@cleverusername9369 Way funnier than the Sahara, of you ask me.
"I got bored"
heartfelt discussion. industry vfx expert of past engage with todays vfx generation. this was such a passion moment. they gave him the seat and he own it to tell about all great movie magic tricks. probably my favorite sofar !
I agree. I was laughing to myself. All the CC videos about fire effects, filming fire, over-exposure, dark fire, fire burns from the inside, fire lights the environment, etc. Nope, you just film it. 😅
"I just shook the shit out of it."
Hell yeah.
"So anyway I started shakin"
"And just beat the devil out of it"
"Absolute Cinema" :D
Well, *somebody* had to invent shakeycam.
He has the vibe of a community college film teacher who works in local theatre. What a complete pro.
The casual expertise of this guy is what tells me he's an innovator. No bragging. Just "I just figured it out" and then explains the alchemical process he used to invent a new industry standard technique.
Go big or go home amirite?
Yeah, he knows his worth so doesn't try to overcompensate
Reminds me of the episode they did with the guy who invented the 3D modeling software
It does seem like a lot of these older guard folks are far more low key and relatable. Behind the scenes folks often are I feel like. They're not interested in people looking at them, they want people to be entertained by something they made.
Speaking from experience, there are full teams that help develop these processes. It's not as simple as Rob "just figuring it out" and inventing techniques. Typically, a supervisor will ID what they want, and the VFX teams figure it out. Credit where credit is due.
"better things than I did" dude this is legit the BEST episode of VFX Artists React I've seen
Nico's "PSSH" get-outta-town handwave at the end was the perfect way to cut this one
Those titanic shots are incredible. I had no idea any of those underwater shots were visual effects. Those have to be some of the most convincing visual effect scenes ever. Well done man.
Right? Absolutely insane what good miniature work and lighting can do.
i knew some were miniature shots but i had no idea they weren’t underwater, that blew my mind. especially since it’s being instantly compared to actual real life underwater stuff
I had always assumed that every shot of the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean was real. The match between real and miniature is flawless.
And they mixed real shots that Cameron did with these VFX shots. Today big movies just replace everything with CGI to avoid having to match to real shots
You don't notice good vfx 😊
Props to EDITOR on this one. You illustrated many concepts and very well too!
editor was COOKING on this one
This was one of the best cgi react of all time. Truly two guys that love cgi speaking with a guy whose accolades are unbelievable. Seeing niko sat there with the smile of 'holy shit' and wren just gobsmacked of how he did all of this. And Rob the whole time speaking about groundbreaking unbelievable things he's done and yet still seeming like a man who just wanted to do the best job he could. Amazing
Agreed, one of the best guests they have had for sure.
I love the episodes where Niko is almost silent throughout. It's because the guest on the couch is someone he truly respects and he's just absorbing what they're spouting like he's in a college course. This episode is a perfect example of that. Every time they cut to the couch, you can tell Niko is completely tuned in and not glazed over. Fantastic episode.
And Wren is looking amazed at every word 🤯
@@Zxian I love how by the end Wren looks like he's completely overwhelmed and exhausted just taking in everything that Rob said as well.
They were drowning in the talent pouring off this guy.
Niko seems floored by how much of a Pro this guy is.
As an enormous Star Trek fan, I love knowing that those shots were done as cheaply, quickly, and with just a touch of jank. That’s the series to the core and somehow it’s still works!
It really doesn't you can see the outline of the cut off the prop to the background, it looks really bad in HD now.
@@vinnyc.1265I strongly disagree. You’re pixel peeping. I think it all still holds up great. They also redid a ton of the vfx for the remaster
@@vinnyc.1265bullshit. You don’t see a thing that gives it away.
@@Akkbar21 Also the show was shot to be shown on SD 4:3 TV's in the late 80's / 90's so of course if you remaster and uprez certain things they won't hold up as well. I still think the model shots are amazing season 3 and beyond on TNG.
@@williammitchell5201 just so I’m being clear, it’s my understanding that for the Blu-ray remaster, they had all the original separate elements on film and were able to re-composite all the effects shots. Meaning that they surely cleaned up and problems like what’s been talked about here.
That's hilarious, dude fell ass backwards into a vfx career and nailed it.
He didn't just nail it, he just casually improved and innovated vfx techniques and standards. Its like he can see a problem and then immediately figure out the simplest best way to solve it. It's crazy town.
He didnt choose the VFX life but it sure as shit chose him!! 😅
"And all of a suden I have a career". That's how the best careers happen.
Great video with great insights!
"The challenge is that you have quite a bit less resources to do it. You have less people you have less camera gear you have less lighting gear you have less of everything, and you still need to make it look like Bob Richardon shot it and Martin Scorscese directed it."
Probably the biggest casual flex in a video chock full with them.
He's got an amazing memory to recall all the details behind his shoots
I'm not as old as him, but I have first hands experiences like him doing stuffs I'm really passionate about 10-15 years ago and I remember those days VIVIDLY, I imagine he's similar
Yea, if you are passionate, your mind starts to remember things easier. That's why school sucks 😂
And then this isn't just remembering one day. This is days and weeks of planning, preparation, and execution. It's like remembering that time you decided to figure out how to build a hang glider from scratch and go down the length of the Grand Canyon.
Most smart people can remember the most important jobs of their career.
When you're as accomplished as he is - that's a key skill.
There should be an Oscar for 2nd Unit Director. Such great inventiveness and yes, problem solving. That was a fantastic entry into this series
I agree, but the problem with that idea is that there'd then also need to be a way to the academy (ie the people voting) to know who shot each shot. As I understand it it's difficult enough to get them to watch all the nominated films (in a category) to be able to vote; so getting them to first watch the movie and then watch a highlight reel of second unit director shots would probably be a hard sell. (Having it indicated while they watch the movie would distract from watching the movie.) And without a highlight reel or something like it, if a shot stands out as being second unit, then it means it's not doing its job of mimicing the style of the director, so it would mean that the Oscar for best second unit director should go to the film where you don't notice that there *was* a second unit director?
@@furbyfubar If there is an Oscar for Best Visual Effects, there can be one for Best 2nd Unit Director. And it would help these directors move up into the Director's seat as their careers progress. Peace and love
@@furbyfubarWhat you said about getting them to even watch all of the nominee's is the problem not so much the breaking down of 2nd unit stuff... Its honestly ridiculous that people can vote without seeing all of the nominated material. I actually believe that they should watch everything nominated atleast twice but closer to 3 times to be able to pick up on all of the nuance of the films.. It would also help if each category was only voted on by professionals in that particular field, ex a group of cinematographers voting on best contemporary.. It's normally only around 30-35 films and about 20 short films, or media.. From January to march its really not that difficult to watch 1 film and a short each day expecially when its your job and you're being showered in gifts by the nominees..
What a cool dude. Man I love that you guys built enough reputation to invite massive names of the craft and have a casual conversation about how they worked on massive movies
Robert Legato’s self-deprecating hyper-competence reminds me of Richard Feynman, their amazing feats are explained away as simple and a ‘gag’ or ‘trick’.
Well you aren’t fooling anyone, this body of work and innovation is incredible. Thanks for the episode
Love that he doesn't dumb it down too much. The way he talks so effortlessly about the techniques you clearly hear he's an expert.
I remember watching TNG as a kid and thinking, "These spaceship/planet shots are so cool looking. Each one of these shots must take a lot of time and effort."
Bob: ...I could shoot like 6 or 7 ship shots a day... 🤣
Man, some of your guests just make me feel like I’ve wasted my life and this guy is one of them, how can one person have lived a normal lifetime yet learned so much.
Couldn't agree more
Robert seems like the best kind of mentor, just a chill-ass dude. "It's not that complicated, and here's very plainly but casually why."
Robert Legato, a producers so good they gave him actual work to do.
I used to watch the Movie Magic series as a young kid back in the day on TV and Rob Legato would often come up to showcase his SFX and VFX work on 90's blockbusters and TV shows. He's an industry legend and a veteran that has inspired many young VFX artists and geeks.
Me too. I loved Movie Magic!
Same here. As soon as they showed the Deep Space 9 model -
"I REMEMBER THAT GUY!!!"
A 25 minute episode?? Yes please!
I'm glad they didn't shortchange this guy.
And apparently 45 minutes on their own website 😮
@@Durwood71they still did, these are always short episodes compared to what they post on their channel
I’m ignorant to all things filmmaking, but you can absolutely hear and feel the mastery in his explanations.
There is nothing more amazing than hearing a master talk about their craft in a way that is simple enough to realize that mastery of it all.
I like how he calls them "Gags"
What a genuine dude
"Something way more interesting than what I did..."
Sir, you are literally creating a parallel fantasy world there's no other job which could be way more interesting than that lol
The way they edit in shots to visualise what he’s talking about needs to be appreciated
This guy is the real deal. I work with engineers that he reminds me of. Rapid problem solving and balls can't really be taught, its more feel. Much respect. Love this series.
Humble, but clearly a perfectionist. Super pragmatic. Inspirational.
Wren constantly making the, "Are you frack'n kidding me!" faces throughout the conversation, was absolutely the best part of the vid.
Great guest, please bring him back again soon. His knowledge and experience is incomparable.
So cool to see an old guard pro casually brushing off the work that blow our minds in the theater 😂😂
"Oh, that was nothing. Just did this. Just did that...", the man knows his stuff.
"Production is problem solving."
A real hands on guy, great episode.
Mr. Legato was one of my favorite guests so far! I really liked how he went into the problem-solving side of VFX.
Rob's pic at 1:02 has a striking resemblance to Niko.
time traveler. We are in a loop now. He met himself from the future and doesnt even know it yet
About that opening shot of Hugo, I wanna shout out to the artists at Pixomondo back in the day who worked so hard on it that after the shot was done, they just got up, went home and weren't seen again for 3 days.
The shot was a great achievement, but also an incredibly hard challenge and cost lots of nerves.
I've worked with some of those artists a few years later and also heard Rob Legato give a presentation about Hugo specifically at a conference. They all had some crazy stories to tell...
The technique used to add more light to the film in the Titanic underwater scenes is amazing. Using the photochemistry of the film crystals to pull off a special effect ties together a wealth of film making know how.
What the heck happened to Stuntmen React? The change of pace was always really nice.
Yes...what happened to Stuntmen React. I second this!
last one was 4 months ago.
I third this
4th
Same! And with The Fall Guy coming out we need some reactions from the guys & gals that the film is dedicated to!
I’m still impressed with the vfx in Star Trek TNG, DSP, and Voyager.
I have to admit I had trouble truly grasping the high concepts and ideas. That’s how you know it’s very technical and impressive. I just appreciate how films are made
He's so casual about how he's made a career of leveraging wit, skill, and determination with so much humility that it almost feels like he's trying to convince you he's just bumble into success. Super cool guy
Wish you still could, but it's more about who you know
Really humble about his whole experience
17:45 You know - it's really clever that they had the one guy purposefully not hit the tennis ball to Leo because then you have to worry about elements from multiple separate shots interacting with each other. Small thing that I never would have thought about if it weren't for these videos.
Such an awesome guest. Truly a veteran of the industry. And an incredible innovator.
@19:06. Watch the dialect couch's tennis racket and the tennis court lines. They actually go through the person. Like a Z axis error. XD Also the shadow jumps around on his shirt like crazy.
I saw that also, had to watch other clips on YT just to see if it actually was in the movie, and it is!
Was going to comment this, but you beat me to it.. :)
@@Wr4ptor Yep, same! Went down to the comments to find this or comment myself!
13:00 HUGE respect to this guy for actually pointing out flawed or "bad" shots. Usually guest episodes become just praise for the guest rather than the "Bad & Great CGI" that the series is supposed to be.
I understand that usually people come on this show when they have something to promote, similar to how guests appear on talk shows. And when you have something to promote you don't want to make people think you are fallible. But this makes me trust him so much more.
Yeah, the amount of details he can recall breaking down the techniques he used to achieve shots he worked on DECADES ago shows that he's clearly an innovative guy who, if the resources are available, would want to make the best final product possible.
So when HIS problem-solving mindset can acknowledge that a certain effect looks a little janky, you can assume that wouldn't be the case if he wasn't limited by either the budget or the film technology of the time.
It was praise like 100% of the
time from the hosts sadly.
Kudos to whoever edited this entire video! When Robert was explaining "flashing", those little clips really helped us understand
His favorite shot from Apollo 13 is SUCH a memorable shot. The speed and power of the rocket come across so viscerally.
I think one of my absolute favorite things about when they have older effect artists on, is that we get to see them evolving their techniques over time to match the growth of technology, but we also see technology evolving because these guys created it! It really is so incredible to see how his brain works and problem-solves a situation. I know that’s why I could never do his job! 😂
I really appreciate how you guys post the longform videos for industry interviews like this, thank you!
Fantastic episode! Wren looked genuinely exhausted by the end. Almost like, "Stop! I'm learning too much!"
His connection to trek is so obvious. That show is the poster child of doing amazing things as cheaply and effectively as possible. And the people needed to do that work are always geniuses like this. To Robert, the Okudas and everyone else from star treks production: thank you, we owe you so much
This episode makes me wanna watch the longer cut off it this guy is amazing
I still think the launch sequence from Apollo 13 is the best footage of a cinematic rocket launch. It looks real, and it's very moving.
Absolutely - it gets the pulse racing like no other launch sequence, the way the music and the shots combine just has this feeling of majesty - like you're actually there and experiencing something epic.
Love the retro vfx in film era analysis, films that we all watched in the big screen
A guy, in the position of Second Unit, that after the director looks at the turned in footage, and just loves... that's a guy that knows what he's doing, he can not only adapt to situations, but adapt to people and have a understanding of vision(in this case the director that's doing the movie). That means so much to a cohesive feel to secondary shots and fill shots that would otherwise drag a production down and wind up costing a lot more money.
I think that's why shrinking tech, and efficient lighting, and proper use of CGI tools make the "small" or "indie" films so much more fun. Then, the guy/gal with the vision, can actually be everywhere at once, and film the movie the way they seen it in their head.
Two sides of a coin, that make the magic happen.
If there were more people out there with this man's combination of curiosity, motivation, and such a humbling measure of humility, everything about the world we live in would be 100 times better. He, his talent, and his attitude toward life are a gift to humanity. A true, actual, gentleman and a scholar. Such a stellar portfolio of achievements, and he undersells them every step of the way. A worthy life goal to aspire to.
Great episode. Great guest. So good.
Rob Legato is very accomplished, having won 3 Academy Awards for VFX (Titanic, Hugo, and The Jungle Book) and was also nominated for Apollo 13 and The Lion KIng (2019). With Martin Scorsese he was VFX supervisor, 2nd unit director, and 2nd unit DP for The Aviator, The Departed, Shutter Island, Hugo, and The Wolf of Wall Street, but he's also been a 2nd unit director for films like Harry Potter 1, Air, Borat 2, The Lion King, and The Jungle Book.
Holy smokes that's a resume!
I can’t picture him shorting Borat 2 but I love it
"and then all of a sudden I had a career"
...please remind me to use this line one day - it's so funny how often people stumble into what they love! XD
the editing in these is so good. to translate this super knowledgeable dude's stream of consciousness into something anyone can understand as he's saying it. top notch
I met Rob at a Q & A at SCAD in Georgia in 2010. He's extremely funny, and super nice. An incredible innovator and overall great guy.
A true badass. Apollo 13 is one of my favourites. Kudos to you, sir
Robert Legato inspired My career in Visual Effects and Film in General. Thanks Rob
This is one of my favorite episodes, spectacular work
3:00 "you're gonna kill our studio" sounds like the type of person who refuses to let innovation happen :p
no lol
We need a video game equivalent of this channel! Video Games Artists React!
Incredible episode, Robert was a great guest. Very knowledgable and great at sharing his experiences. Would love another episode with him.
Grasping how much background work, planning, improvisation, and technology goes into creating these visual effects adds another layer of admiration for these movies. It's amazing how something as simple as lighting or camera angle could make a significant difference.
i love Wren
This video just woken my rocket.
Same
So much knowledge. It was super interesting getting a really in depth breakdown of these shots. Thank you!
Fantastic episode! I LOVE Apollo 13, and the rocket launch is still one of my favourite sequences to this day, ESPECIALLY that telephoto shot of the rocket from the side where you really get the feeling of visceral speed. That and the first stage separation. My favourite aspect is they took inspiration from the actual real rocket launch footage that we're so familiar with, but upgraded it with more moves and impossible positions. I loved that - it looked like how you really wanted the original footage to look. Amazing work, and with James Horner's score, a guaranteed tear in my eye every time. SEIKO! RIP Bill Paxton.
Why is every video coming out right now
Because it's Saturday and most people that work now have time to watch videos
It’s midday in New York which might have something to do with it
@@leahcimwerdna5209 yeah that makes sense.
There's a new video coming out every hour of every day. What's your point?
Well they know the algorithm and at what time their audience and general yb audience is around
There's a scene in Predator 2 where the Predator walks on a puddle of water while invisible. That shot looks insane and I think it would be a great one to talk in VFX Artists React!
Him so casually talking like yeah I did it like this and then I just spinned that and put that stuff under it while lighting this stuff - it sounds so non-chalant while I certainly would suffer a nervous breakdown on set if I had to do this. So much respect.
Absolutely stellar episode. Great edits to explain the more complicated techniques and terms and tremendous anecdotes all the way through.
I love how unserious he takes himself. This man edited my childhood
These are great. Having these legends go through how they do stuff is amazing
That was amazing! Just an incredible interview. Keep it up!
This man is a legend! Awesome video. Hope to see another with Robert in the future!
Great episode!!! Love these wonderful, experienced, experts being on the couch!!
I especially loved how self aware he was of the not so good shots, talks about his artistry a lot more
I just love how nonchalant and humble this man is about creating some of the most iconic vfx and groundbreaking techniques in the industry. I was just watching Apollo 13 recently and revisit ST Next Gen every so often, I think those practical methods of shooting space scenes, still look 1000 times better to me than the best cgi out there.
This dude might be my favorite guest youse ever had, he’s very humble, just a guy doing his job and he’s very straightforward and clear when he’s explaining things.
This was a great interview! Alas, I believe I've thought this about every "Ft." episode. Fascinating!❤❤
Great Episode! I love the casual but technical way in which he explains each shot.
What an extensive career! His down to earth, practical, in the trenches, everyday VFX approach to such a wide spectrum of shots is admirable.
Another amazing guest!
Damn I love this channel!
Keep it up CC.
The way some of these veteran vfx artists casually talk about their genius level talent
I think this may be my favourite ever. The casual genius is so mind blowing yet endearing. Great stuff.
Always the VFX shots that amaze the most are the ones I never realized where there. Amazing video.
What a craftsman with such humility. Great insights. Thank you, Rob, Niko, and Wren!
Amazing episode! And great how you showcased examples of what was explained
Probably the best episode of the series yet. I know its not an interview, but i really respect how much you guys just let the guest talk and dont interrupt. I could see so many places anyone would want to interject another question but hearing his full thoughts and explanations were fascinating. Getting such in depth insight to how some of these shots get made is such a treat. Thank you!
Episodes with guests are always fascinating, and this time hearing about this older tricks even more.
I watched all your episodes and this guy dropped so much knowledge in quick succession it felt like being on a train travelling the vfx knowledge line.