Star Citizen - Structural Salvage First Impressions..
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- Опубликовано: 3 дек 2023
- Star Citizen 3.22 is looking like it will be a great update. It introduces lots but what this video showcases is a first look at vehicle munching. Fracturing and Disintegrating out of action vehicles and turning them into good quality crafting materials. Both the Vulture and Reclaimer also got updates that allow salvage buffers, it's a massive game-changer. There's been folks complaining about the addition but honestly, I think it's at a great starting point and they've already added some changes since the recording of this video and likely more to come.
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Somewhere in the Aaron Halo, a single box of RMC gently bumps into a lone Prospector
Somewhere in the Aaron Halo, the next poor sap to take that hyperspace lane casts his atoms across the interplanetary void after slamming into Olli’s space litter.
Visually it definitely needs work but the buffer alone makes the vulture actually useable imo. I wouldn't even be mad if they made structural salvage similar to the mining minigame as that one is already pretty engaging
I agree with you there, it's nice to have abit of a mini game to do while you're waiting and it also adds some different options for variety for salvage
If you ever are wondering why you quantum warp and then suddenly explode, know that is was Olli43 who did it by dropping boxes in quantum warp.
They should make an effect for dropping things into quantum! it would be SO cool to kick someone into quantum and you see them for a breif second before they get plunged into deep space!
Love the vids! Very relaxing whilst still being informative. And the salvage is Extremely cool! Keep the good work going!👍
Yeah I also watch Olli43's videos to relax. His narrative is very fun :D
OMG THAT IS HUGE!!! So happy to see a que for the boxes omg. Great vid!
Another cool thing about the buffer they added to the vulture is that it effectively doubles the cargo capacity.
Shh
i was wondering why olli didn’t mention that
Make sure you check out the spinning grinder under the cabin between the forks. It opens during disintegration mode. Pretty neat looking.
It really looks like they wanted at least something to get delivered before holliday. I like the visual effects of the vulture but i really though that you would have to place the components inside the munching area. This would also add some skill because you then had to manouver around the pieces without damaging your ship. I also think it needs a cutting mode for the salvage beams, so instead of just turning the ship into chunks via point and click, we would have to cut it at specific spots by using a laser cutter. In conclusion: 1. Step removing cargo & components; 2. Step hull scraping; 3. Step laser cutting into bite sized pieces; 4. Step placing to pieces into the salvage area for desintegration.
The reclaimer on the other hand.... i dont know. Turning the crushing claw into a beam feels really bad. I hope this is a placeholder until the maelstrom system for ship destruction is implemented.
Thats the plan for this feature but this requires the maelstrom and resource network systems to be implemented first. Currently ships can only be fractured into predefined chunks which are too large to fit between the vultures arms.
Welcome Ollie, to Microwave Salvage!! So will you cook up some ship recipes? Have a cook out among the Stars?
Ollie is precious and must be protected at all costs.
Looks pretty neat! I think I’ll finally give it a try
thanks for showing us a good time today, Olli. It may be that CIG wants this salvage loop to be quick at the moment so they can gather more metrics and bug reporting.
The devs already increased the time it takes to disintegrate wrecks and reduced the amount of SCU you get out of each ship. They mentioned on the forum that they are working on implementing some skill into the feature next by making proper positioning of the wreck (or your salvaging ship) affect the speed at which you can disintegrate the parts, to make some use of the tractorbeams the vulture and reclaimer got.
Honestly I don't think they can currently do much more than that considering the proper system would require maelstrom to be fully implemented first and who knows how long that is actually still away. It's certainly a nice T0 implementation though.
The ladder on the Vulture bugs out constantly and glitches you through the hull to the outside. To work around it, just walk backwards to jump down without doing the ladder animation.
oh that is an amazing change!! usually what i would do would be fill up 2 boxes and then move it, but now just being able to buffer it till im ready to eject is huge!
Does this not work on ship pieces you find in asteroid belts? It worked fine for my salvage missions. But I can’t get it to fracture or suck up the ship pieces I find on my own after I strip them. Or it’s possible I did something in-between that I needed to undo before they work again…
So is the 14 scu vulture eject thing only in this experimental build? Do you know when it will be in ptu?
that quabntum thing u did with the boxes i would do to someone who got on my ship if that ever happens
This isn't bad to start. I believe it'll get better throughout the year. One maelstrom is in this should be a lot better
Looks like they are still fine tuning it. dev post on spectrum has them increasing the time to hull munch, lowering the capacity of the buffer, and lowering the price for selling the new salvage material. So hard to say where this will finally end up.
New setup doing work!! 😍
Olli if I take off guns before salvage ? Will this be worth all effort ? How much I could sell those for ?
where to sell it ??
Is there a price difference in the two materials? I’ve been watching all the videos and no one has said the prices.
i think it would be cool if they keep like the supper charged effect with te elctricity, but instead of just kind of making it break. making it act more like the scraping beams are now supper charged and are used as cutting beams to split up the parts.
that way you need to actually do the cutting and stuff to completely break it down, i think that would be more intresting. and that could also mean you need to learn the best ways to cut the ship to make the seconed step of collecting the parts more efficient.
but i don't know
I am perfectly okay with this for the first implementation. I'm glad that they are developing this loop and giving salvage a bit more to do.
Jesus fracturing mode on that cutless black looked identical to a astroid.. i love that its now possible but i also cant wait to see V2 if there is one.
You ought to try dropping off delivery boxes while in quantum to see where they land
When will this patch go live? did they announce that already? Can't wait to salvage. finnally a better gameloop, and a lot of quality of live improvements
Crafting in the vulture has been a thing since I started in March but I do think they added more items to the crafting screen
While the A to B of munching will likely stay the same, I think how ships break apart & are sucked up will change a lot with Maelstrom
4:45, the loot goblin.
Would be cool if you needed to put the part you wanted to salvage between the arms of the Vulture.
It requires soooooooo much tech for the full version (many of which is coming in the next 12m), for now this is perfect
Yeah i feel like its a bit too quick well. I feel it should take a tad bit longer and give more scu worth of cargo, cause it feels wierd getting less cargo from a chunk of hull frame then the outer skin. Also it would be cool if instead if disintegrating you just keeps the scrapers and collect that way, it would keep it more interactive that way as well
I'm confused... it is a different material you get for fracturing compared to scraping? if not then what is the point of ever scraping?
For the Vulture it is a good feature, as for the Reclaimer it should be made so you have to have someone down stairs moving boxes.
they already nerfed the Reclaimers buffer down to 150 SCU, which is still a lot but atleast it takes 2 trips down the ship to fill up the cargo.
I was here for every Gta V video back over 10 years ago, now I’m 24 years old ready for Gta VI content!
CIG failed to put a big, fat "placeholder" sticker on the hull slurping, which makes me wonder if there was any sticker at all, whether they planned to change it into munching at all or whether they only decided to say it's a placeholder after the backlash.
nice, it is a start. ok with this so far.
So where is the big storage bin that holds 14 scu of dust?
I think a simple change for the vulture and the gameplay becomes immediately more engaging but no less difficult really. just make the vulture have to get the broken up ship parts in between the arms before it can disintegrate and collect it. for the reclaimer, the claw should be used to 'cut' the ship into pieces and then grab them to retract them into the disintegration field?
edit: didn't think about how to fracture on the vulture, but i guess the same way, for each part of the ship, gotta get it in the arms and cut it off, yes it'll take longer, but it's way more engaging
The vulture is a surprisingly good daily driver now, because bunkers usually have some sort of wreck nearby and the bed means you can stay out in the verse for ages!
Only thing it can't do is combat =(
Not everything has to have combat capabilities. That's why we have specific ships for specific jobs.
You have to upgrade the QD though...the stock one is just unbearable ^^. That thing has a max speed of 89k, whereas the fastest possible QD for it has 283k. Also spool up time reduced from over 7 seconds to under 2.
Hay Ollie I think you should do a 100 day star citizen I think it would be good or like zero to hero or something but it is your choice also I love you videos keep up the good work I am sure we will hit 3 mill at the end on this year I believe
I dont think he is actually that good in the game. Doing Videos is easy with alsmost unlimited amounts of auec and ships, but starting from nothing actually requires some planning and caution.
Does only disintegration go in the buffer or does hull scraping go in too?
It’s the same buffer for both. So depending on the size of the ship, you can scrape the hull and disintegrate it before you need to empty the buffer.
I know one of the big issues was the amount the buffer holds on the reclaimer. As a solo reclaimer pilot who spends the VAST majority of my time in space, it's a welcome change for me. The hull breaking should be a minigame though, I agree with that criticism people have put out.
Those vulture arms should be able to widen to accomodate bigger. If you dont think so then sure but its a $175 ship and not cheap so with such a limitation maybe it should be $75.
the idea is that you cut down pieces of the hull into managable chunks and move it through the shredder beams into the grinder under the cockpit. This requires the maelstrom system for physicalized damage first though.
They have mentioned that the next EPTU patch will make changes to structural salvage
Firstly, it will be slower and secondly, it will give less materials and thirdly, the materials themselves will sell for less.
I'm enjoying this first implementation even though it's quite basic, but it's nice of CIG to give us a working version of it as sort of a Christmas present
It’s the future. It should be fast !
Olli just discovered how to drop mines in quantum. good luck pirates who follow him!!!
Pretty sure someone already said this, but by not actually salvaging the ship you are loosing out on resource, you are meant to salvage it then do the hull, you are only getting one resource here hen you should be getting two. It's not as fast as you think if you do it right ^^
I hope we get to craft 2SCU and 1SCU boxes soon. I don't want to buy them. I like the idea of having a player-base market
Yeah I think the easiest solution to structural salvage is a 1-1 copy from mining. Each ship has a randomised "optimised" zone for resonant frequency or something. Maybe how hard it is to break depends on how much you've scraped. So a fully scraped ship might be a LOT easier to break and absorb. Once you've broken it, the vacuum is fine because that's what is in mining and it's great. Another comment on the structural salvage is that it's so fast and you get so much, why even hull scrape? Besides it being super fun, there's comparatively zero profit associated with doing it.
If I have my vulture full, can I still fill the buffer? is so can I sell from the buffer?
Yes and no you can’t sell from the buffer
way cool, Thank you@@jusmac1704
Hey man will you be doing video about the gta 6 ? Like you did for the gta5 ? I hope you do man I miss them videos haha
The animation with the lightning is cool, but I'd rather have lightning strikes atomizing the ship parts piece for piece and then use the salvage lasers as a kind of vacuum to suck it up, rather than just this small cloud of particles coming to the ship in between the arms, while the rest (?) just glows up and dissolves. I really hope they change that, but otherwise it is really cool that they're working on stuff like that, because nobody else ever did something similar.
Tbh, I'd be afraid of going up and down the ladder in the Vulture in QT. More than once have I managed to fall out of the ship just going down the ladder, which isn't an issue if you're just sitting there salvaging, if that happens when you're in QT, you better hope the beacon system works xD
This is awesome. We don't need to spend 40 minutes to make 35K. I like the 5 minute on site time as that puts in on par with other money making loops.
Man i can never trust the game to not launch me into the void of space when I get out of my ships cockpit during quantum 😅
I actually love who easy and fast it 8s
It would be cool it there was a ”guitar hero” style way of pickong out gold or other rare metals from the salvage that would otherwise be wasted.
Imagine a manual arm picking out golden nuggets or fuelrods out of the salvage stream that is being sucked up.
…you can stand up during quantum now😮
CIG have said that the Break up will improve once maelstrom comes in
I agree that it's way too quick to salvage the ships but they probably did that to incentivize players to do that gameplay loop in order to get as much data as possible. I do hope it get's more complex though but I suspect they'll just make it the same as mining, which in itself isn't a terrible thing but I'd like to see more unique ways of controlling different equipment rather than everything being a beam that requires you to balance power.
Neat
Finally salvage with the vulture can be a thing.
I think that the speed is fine based on the price of construction materials
Something tells me they needed to get this into the game as quickly as possible so the teams working on the economy have something to work with. Im just as disappointed as everyone else with the current animations but Im still optimistic.
nice one.
Star Citizens are so used to have to deal with bugs and other problems in the game that when we see something working without bugs we think it's too easy. I mean, I dont mind if they increase the time to fracture, it's kinda fast for sure, but man, it's really good for a first interaction.
they should just make it so that you need to scrape it first to like 90% done, and then you can disentegrate the frame.
I actually don't get people on this one. It's cool, period.
BRING BACK THE GTA SHOW FOR GTA 6 NEWS OLLI 😩 You were legit my childhood watching the videos before gta 5 dropped 11 years ago
zero effs about the no-clip cargo container
I think the time is just fine, no need to increase how long you just have to sit there and stare at a broken ship
I'm hoping the the eventual final version in a few years does away with the fracturing mode and replaces it with cutting lasers. If you don't salvage certain things from the ship before cutting it up then you risk exploding the salvage ship and your salvaging ship.
the dream is hardspace shipbreakers level of salvaging.
@@BizzMRK Yes, haven't played it yet, but yet. When I salvage alone, which is almost always how I do it, I do it phases currently. First phase I take my Hull A and pull as much cargo as will fit. Second phase I take my Cutlass Black and grab weapons, components and any cargo that didn't fit on my Hull A. Third phase I take my Vulture and strip the hull.
I know people say the weapons and components are worth it, but the way I view it, they are there and I'm not going to waste free money.
Last night a friend of mine and me were using my Vulture and his Nomad. He grabbed cargo and weapons while I was stripping the hull. The size 4 cannons on the Corsair are 6300 each if I remember correctly. The powerplants on a 400i are 9300 each and there are 3 of them. I haven't been able to pull any components from the Corsair or the shield generator from the 400i. The coolers on the 400i aren't sold in game so their sold value is zero uec.
Hate the disintegration. But, I'm glad it's just placeholder
4:43 Im just imagining some poor bastard minding his business probably mining then all the sudden he gets hit by a container going machfuck speed
Yes Olli they know it's kinda fast and too easy and all that other obvious shit.. Give the devs a break they were just trying to give us something nice to play with for the holiday. All I see though are videos of people criticizing this like if the devs are never gonna work on it again and this is all we'll ever get. Glad to see you didn't miss the band wagon.
Trick for bigger ships, destroy them, munch whichever pieces fall off
Disintegrate a ship with a friend inside.
Im still waiting for the vr patch. 2d is so 2022
Also feedback for them : when the component is destroyed, make the little animation where the ship "sucks up" the materials longer, maybe more detailed ?, cause this feels too arcade imo
Nothing like a relativistic kill missile to ruin a good salvage run 😆
I'm not a fan. I think you should scrape the hull until the frame is exposed and then Fracture only the frame and hoover up the pieces of the frame
Damn your optimism and pleasant disposition! Think of the reaction content creators you’re snubbing with each laugh. You’re giving them nothing to work with! How dare you be so content.
You didn't salvage the entire ship in five minutes. It's too quick because you didn't remove the skin. When you break it up with the skin on you get nothing for the skin. You're only getting the "structure" SCU. To fix this game play loop, all they have to do is make it so you can't break up (munch) the structure without having stripped at least 90% of the skin off of the ship.
Alright, before I watch the video, I'm paused on 0:02 waiting on food... I'm going to try and predict what fanboy Olli's first impressions are going to be.
My prediction is... 'amazing' and 'mind blowing'.
Edit: You also completely misunderstand people's issue with this. It isn't because it's 'too simple compared to other gamemodes'. It's because they turned hull munching, a thing where people were imagining something along the lines of Hardspace Shipbreaker, and turned it into 'point at target, vacuum up money'. Even the fact you said you 'really like the visuals and audio'. Wtf, the visuals and audio are absolute garbage...
Yes, it's going to be updated and added to over time, but the question that has been brought up is, why did they bother at all? This is nothing like what we were sold on, not even a start to it. This is literally just Beam Citizen, you point at something and suck it up. And the fact is, they completely changed the entire design of the Reclaimer's claw. This suggests that this is in fact the kind of gameplay they have decided to go with, rather than what they have showed us in the past.
This isn't hullbreaking... this is using a space vacuum.
00:12 - 00:52 - Exactly!! - Certain loud minority RUclipsrs make their money bitchin about almost everything CIG does, and little ever seems good enough for them. Glad you resisted the temptation to jump on this particular bandwagon Ollie, bacuse I will never back a bitcher with any kind of support.
Yeah, it should take longer and it should be way more difficult, skillbased. This is just boring to me at least.
The animation also lacks a little, is fine for a first iteration tho I guess.
first!
I'd ignore "controversy" from the Star Citizen community for the most part. Spectrum is ALWAYS outraged about something, and the sales numbers are always good in spite of them. Taking what Spectrum is angry about as the opinion of the average SC player is like taking the general opinion of Twitter / X as the opinion of the general populace.
In both cases it's just the vocal minority doing their thing. Ignore Spectrum, you'll be a happier Star Citizen player as a result.
Wow, im first. only 10 seconds passed.Cool
First
Good for first pass. I rather them do this than spend another decade overworking everything
For some reason? You can’t even comprehend why so many players are apprehensive about the dumbed down Reclaimer mechanic.
Shoot a laser if you want to...
Kill someone
Heal someone
Break a rock
Move a box (or vehicle)
Strip a hull
And now structural salvage.
Just about _every_ process in this game involves shooting a beam at something. It's getting a bit old. And seems very lazy programming.
Very anti-climatic. I don't like that you basically zap it with a mining beam and is magically vanishes. CIG NEEEDS to change this to something that physically breaks it down. CIG has always meet or exceeds the backers expectations but this mechanic, at least in this form falls completely flat.
If we're looking at disintegration and storing of materials as pattern information, then we're in Star Trek replicator territory. If that's the case, there's no need to mine or salvage any particular material because any and every material will just be a data pattern that requires a lot of energy to materialize. In that scenario, you only care about harvesting energy. There's no good explanation for having replicator technology but then claiming that you have to mine specific ores / materials as well. You can make up anything in Science Fiction but in real science, you're full of poo.