KTM FREERIDE EXC vs. SURRON STORM BEE | Electric Dirt Bike Test + Full Review
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Tucker Neary from Electric Cycle Rider does a head to head comparison of the KTM Freeride E-XC vs the Surron Storm electric dirt bike on a singletrack test track in Colorado.
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The KTM Freeride EXC has a nominal power output of 9kW and a peak output of 18kW. It’s got a removable, 3.9kWh battery and it’s suspended by a WP XPLOR 43mm fork and WP PDS shock. The KTM Freeride weighs 245 pounds and recently had a price increase from $10,499 to $11,299
The Surron Storm Bee has a nominal power of 10kW and a peak output of 22.5kW. It’s got a removable, 5.7kWh battery and it’s suspended by a FastAce fork and shock. The Storm tested here weighs 291 pounds, with the F version weighing 280 pounds. The Storm Bee F will MSRP at $8,499.
The Surron Storm is the more affordable option by about $2,800. It’s got a higher top speed of approximately 70mph and it’s more comfortable if you’re looking for a mellow riding experience.
It feels more relaxed than it does sporty. The suspension is plush and soft. Which is why I keep comparing it to a Suzuki DRZ or Honda XR Internal Combustion bike.
Out of the 2 bikes, the Surron is heavier by about 45 pounds and that, paired with the softer suspension can be noticeable if you start pushing the bike hard.
Surron claims a seat height of 37 inches but my test bike was sitting much lower than that thanks to its super low cut seat. This is great for standover height but it feels a little awkward when you’re sitting down.
According to my tape measure, the Surron Storm has a ground clearance of roughly 11.75", which comes in approximately 3.5" lower than the KTM Freeride EXC.
The Storm has a better LCD display and a lot more programmable features than the KTM.
The Surron utilizes a 110v charger which is more convenient for charging options but it means that recharging the battery takes significantly longer.
The battery on the Storm Bee is easily removable by removing the seat, disconnecting the connection points, releasing these clasps, and pulling the battery out.
Oh yeah, and it’s got reverse and turbo mode.
The KTM Freeride is more expensive, with a current MSRP of $11,299.
It’s got a lower top speed than the Storm, coming in at approximately about 48mph.
What it lacks in comfort when compared to the Storm, it makes up for with a more sporty and nimble feel.
A quick translation is that it feels like you’re riding on top the bike rather than in the bike. Although the WP suspension is smaller in size than the FastAce equipment found on the Surron, it has superior performance off road.
The throttle mapping and power delivery on the KTM feels more refined and has better rear wheel connection than the Storm.
It utilizes a 220v charger which can make recharging somewhat inconvenient but the upside is that battery charges significantly quicker when you have access to 220 power.
The KTM Freeride battery is easily removable by releasing the seat latch, loosening the four, 10mm bolts that keep the battery in place and pulling the battery out.
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(0:00) Intro
(1:10) KTM Specs
(1:43) Surron Specs
(2:15) Comparison Summary
(5:38) Surron Storm Bee Review
(25:48) KTM Freeride EXC Review
(34:00) Battery Swap
(34:32) WHO WINS? 
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I always appreciate your real-world hands on reviews-Thanks Tucker!
@Dean F Thanks Dean!!!
Thx for the early thoughts/breakdown..really appreciated that.
Exceptionally done.. Very impressive review mate! Thanks for sharing this👍
Excellent review on both bikes. Thank you so much for sharing. Very helpful 🤙
Which one are you going with? Surron Storm or KTM Freeride?
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Probably the Sur Ron tbh
Are you going to do a direct comparison of the Ultra Vs. The Storm!?
Based on this video. I reckon the storm bee would be my pick.
Bigger battery, more power, more speed, more range, cheaper. Plus the way you describe the plush storm b vs nimble freeride characteristics, I think the storm be a better match for me.
I also like the more flexible user settings in the storm B. I think that is important to help tune the bike to your own preferences and terrain.
You're the man Tucker! I'm still obsessed with my Alta Redshift. I can't bring myself to get another electric MX bike yet. The Alta is just so good, IMO.
That was an excellent review and what amazing trails you have there.
Fantastic video, mate! I chose the Surron Storm Bee because it was the only choice. And there was just one in the whole country (Mongolia). The local KTM dealer didn't have any KTM Freeride's for sale. I also tried the smaller Surron Light Bee but I'm a tall guy and it just didn't fit. The Storm Bee works well for me, it fits me perfectly I'm 187cm and 90kg (6'2" and 200lbs) and I'm not an aggressive rider (I'm 59 years old). I find the Storm Bee very fast and has a very responsive throttle. I don't experience the "lag and delay" you describe. I actually wish there was some lag and delay. Sport mode is insane and I only use it on roads. Never used "Turbo" but do use reverse a lot. Eco and rain are better for me and give more range. Traction control is brilliant for hill climbs.
I concur that you need handguards/barkbusters. I bought KTM full wrap around handguards. They fit with minor modifications.
I got a 220v charger with mine and can recharge in 2-3 hours from dead. But I hardly ever run it even close to dead. Most rides are 30-60 minutes and I'll use 10-50% of my charge.
I paid $7200 for my prototype / pre-production model just over 1 year ago. I could get a Ultra Bee and a Storm Bee for the price of the KTM.
Check inside the menus, there could be a setting for throttle response, where you can tune it a bit smoother/"laggy"...
Great review! 🤙🏼 Both bike look amazing, can't wait to try that new Surron tho 👀
The comparison ive been looking for. Thankyouu
Another great review, thank you! And yes, please get your hands on an Ultra Bee and let us all know what the deal is! I would buy an Ultra Bee today if it was available in the US and lived up to claimed specs (while I wait for my Stark Varg to be delivered later in 2023).
Unreal review! So much depth. Also.. you can ride man!
Thanks for the awesome review. I would be really keen to hear what your base chassis settings are on the Storm Bee. E.g. compression, rebound, sag and tyre pressures. I have only had my Storm Bee a few weeks now, and it's my first dirtbike...some base settings from a more experienced rider would be great to see.
Love how indepth and honest this review was. Was going to get a KTM Freeride, but now I think I'll go with the Storm for the street-legal scrambler build I've been wanting to make for some time now. Definitely fits my all-in-one bike role that I need.
Great option for sure if you need it 23 already..
Love what you said. I am building my own. I am mechanic dumb I'm going to post it so others follow. These outlandish prices from China l don't want to now to.
The Kim chassis & suspension & brakes are loads better than sur ron
Surron drivetrain, custom frame, custom suspension. Got it.
@Dustin Hutchinson Haha, the wish list?
@@ElectricCycleRider exactly. A cottage industry in the making.
@@hutchdw77 It's pretty fun to consider. There are already some brands and skilled tinkerers doing some cool eMoto swaps with older ICE chassis. Kind of in line with my thought at 30:10 but that would be a pretty expensive experiment...
lol StormB been in pre-production for 2 years or more now 😂
@Ian Haha, yeah, "pre production" in the US but production everywhere else. It is finally coming early next year though and I'm psyched to see more of them out in the wild!
You can buy it in dealers in uk
You can buy them at any dealer in the uk there are 1000s
Ah, maybe that's a language thing, they say pre-production, but maybe they just mean pre-market 🤔👍
@@James-ld1of yea but what about the NA Street Legal version that’s supposedly coming also?
I wonder if thats part of the delay. Maybe something with the laws here..
They haven’t been too kind to ebikes so far loll
Lets just leave it at that lol.
Meanwhile everyone could be riding electric cars, bikes, and scooters to the store or around town depending on the weather and what you’re doing.
Im surprised since the success of tesla, that there hasn’t been more EV cars made yet. Only just now are they starting to really come out mainstream..
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Tucker, great test rides. Questions: What about parts for the Storm? What about stiffer springs for the forks and shock? Do you think that some weight reduction could be gained somehow? Do you think more accessories will become available?
Would like to see the Ultra test.
Great review…as always. Thank you. Our next move is to try our stick free ride forks on one of our electric motion bikes….definitely like the electric with the manual clutch. A bigger fork let’s you push through trails faster. I am sure we will have several hybrid bikes until we get our Stark delivered….the funny part is I have a new KTM 450 xcf 2023 that I haven’t even ridden yet….we have so much fun on the electric.
Thank you! All the information we wanted! I really like the drz and xr comparison. Coming from an xr200r to the freeride really makes me see some similarities in the sur Ron.
@CornPed Right on!
What did you do to the freeride suspension? I want to send mine out this winter. I have upgraded the springs but need to revalve it.
Great review!
Love the light bee in the background 19:15
I'm really curious about the Ultra Bee. I love the size and weight of my Talaria, but wish it used more dirt bike components than MTB components (fork, brakes, rear shock etc). Hopefully it hits the states faster than the Storm Bee.
Ready for the KTM Freeride vs the Surron Ultra Bee review now please !
That tracks a beast ..nice riding pal.👍
Hey Tucker, isn't your KTM modified (suspension and tires)? Compared to I'm assuming a stock Storm Bee. Do you think you could fix the suspension with springs/oil or would it need a different brand of suspension? I would also be great if you could do a longer term test. I'm concerned about reliability and availability of spare parts. Thanks for all you do, great channel.
Interesting the price is definitely nicer on the Storm Bee. Hopefully they'll have a street legal model, would be interested in a supermoto. Looks like the Storm Bee won't beat you up as bad as the Light Bee does. The rougher the terrain the more it beats the Light Bee up.
appreciate the clif notes first off - but watched entire vid ;)
do you think the difference in throttle response is due to the traction control on the storm? does the throttle change if you turn off the traction control?
The key quote to me was, “feels like you’re riding on top of the bike (KTM) more than in the bike (SurRon). That’s the #1 thing for me no matter what kind of riding I’m doing from mtn biking to dirt biking. Lower centralized cockpit riding where you feel one with the bike is what I strive for.
I think you misinterpreted what he meant. The KTM is far more nimble, responsive, and aggressive. The reason the SurRon feels like you're in it, is because you're stuck. With the KTM, you can toss it around, it accelerates much faster, and the far superior suspension lets you blast through rough sections, where the soft suspension of the SurRon drags you down, bottoms out, and forces you to go slow.
@@jaysoniorg2950 you may be right
I think he was referring to the ergonomics.my friend and I have identical bikes apart from an 18vs19 inch rear wheel and mine has lowered pegs and higher bars.mine feels like you sit in his feels like you sit on.
@@zachfpv4493 exactly
You can find a new KTM Freeridefor $7k right now
New?
@@usaclaimsthemoon4198 yeah dealers cant sell the older year models and they are super cheap if you are willing to travel to save several grand
@@usaclaimsthemoon4198 they're probably all gone now. I picked up one new for less than 7k
@@usaclaimsthemoon4198yeah loads of dealers near me have it for around $6000-$7000. seen some even as cheap as 5.5k
Link?
Already have a Freeride and I am sure the suspension and build quality stock are far better. I did however just order a set of cone valve forks for mine and the shock is being re valved. We are riding fast east coast single track.
I think the Turbo button on the Surron would be more useful if you could set a higher power level or alternate rider setting that could be obtained at the push of a button.
33:13 When talking about throttle response: Are you talking stock setting storm bee? Or AFTER you have played around with it? I think there should be 3 settings for throttle response inside the menu? Or it may have been on the Ultra? Might be mixing it up...
Have you checked out the Electric and Co conversion kits? I've been seeing people putting them in fullsize bikes and they say the power is comparable to a 450. Seriously considering building one but I haven't seen a ton of reviews yet.
Hi, what about the range ? How long can you ride each of them ? Regards
Great review! Here in Europe I can find a lightly used KTM for 9000€ (same price as the road-legal Storm Bee), but the Storm Bee feels like a next generation platform. It probably will need a suspension tune, but other than that I see no big downsides. Well, at least for the next few years until my skills improve and the road-legal Stark Varg comes out :)
Range is still a big differentiating factor, 16 miles on the storm bee and it went from 100% down too 30%. I'm sure EV's will solve that problem over time though, but for now..
@@GL0BETREKKER I concur. Buy a 2 stoke for now and give the EVs several year until they get all their shenanigans figured out. It’ll come one of these days
@@samsaasen4922 Too optimistic with several years only. It will be dozens of years if anytime at all (unless they start to use brain and figure out that providing electricity from hydrogen is way to go). Look where KTM get in 10 years? Basically nowhere regarding range, even the latest model is horrible. Plus both of them are useless as replacement for a bike, not because of range as that is getting manageable if you are in region where there are some options for charging. But because they do not have INTEGRATED CHARGER. No one on regular bike is having oil rafinery in their bag just to be able to drive somewhere. And so with KTM or Sur-Ron you must take that huge and heavy box with you? No, thanks and not even for half of the price....
I would love to see the comparison of the Freeride and the Ultra Bee - couldn't find a video yet
What a great review of both bikes. I expect a KTM to have some advantage due to their heritage. The Sur Rons in general (pre Storm) appeared smaller to me. Nice to see the new model appears to be normal sized in comp to the ICE bikes. Having added a Tesla to my fleet in the last few years has opened my eyes to other possibilities. I loved my Rekluse clutch on my YZF years ago, why not ditch the gear shift too via electric. Plus the lack of noise opens up riding possibilities. I am still amazed at how much I get away with in my Tesla because no one heard it ;-) Loved the tunability of the Sur Ron in all of the areas you mention. Something I wish Elon would let me have more control of. And the Turbo button (my likely a momentary BMS bypass) would be great fun for a pass.
Your riding area looks beautiful. I am in the E Texas area, little to no rocks, little elevation change but decent single and fire road stuff the Storm looks great for. My riding wouldnt be race pace but still spirited. 20 miles or so single track can be a decent ride.
@CncObsession Appreciate that!! Great points you make too. Super nice to have these options and while neither of these are going to replace my gas bikes any time soon, they're great when range isn't an issue and noise is. 👍
It'd be great to see a comparison video between the Freeride and Ultra as teased at the end of this video.
Wow excellent review, would love a Freeride for single track !!
@The DirtyBirch Trails It's a super fun bike for single track!
Ground clearance seems to be a major issue. Rutted trails, heavy bike and low clearance are a bad combo. Second question; Are there any springs/suspension parts available for proper setup ?
what’s wheelbase on both bikes? Awesome reviews 👍
q. does the suron have a clutch like the electric motion trial bike?
Great Comparison. Looking forward to seeing what type of improvements you can do to the storm bee
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@@usernameisrequired Love you
what’s wheelbase on both bikes? Awesome reviews
If you have a KTM dealer near you, I'd go there for sure
Could you try a cake bike to. Would be interesting
Great review. I'm quite intrigued by the whole electric motorcycle concept. Question: On either of those bikes, how are they at situations where you're at a dead stop and need to get the front up and over a log or ledge? With no clutch, that's got to be an issue. I'm assuming you also can not pivot turn one of these, for the same reason?
I haven't ridden either, but since the electric motors have all their torque available from 1rpm, I would think you should be able to get the front wheel up without issue.
What is your microphone set up? There's so little wind noise!
Would love to see a comparison of the Freeride EXC and the Ultra Bee. I know the Ultra has less power, so the Freeride is likely faster, but curious to see if it's close to keeping up on a trail ride.
Great comparison! See if you can get your hands on the all-new Surron ULTRA Bee. Seems to be the unicorn.
@Life Off-Road Surron Ultra Bee first look is in progress! We'll post the video as soon as possible.
It may be my imagination but it seemed you were a little quicker through the wooods on the KTM. I would think that would be due to weight and the differences in the basic designs. What I ride in Tenn. is just about the type single track maybe a little more technical but I'm old and not a fast rider. If I make 20 miles on my 300xcw I'm ready to go to the truck and it looks like either of these would get me to about that point. Thanks for the video, this is exactly what I've been wanting to see. Good stuff.
Great comparison thank you!! Where do you live cause those trails look sweet!!!
@Shane Smith Thanks man! I live in Colorado. Spoiled with the great trails we have out here!
Definitely appear to be going quicker on the ktm. We agree on the ktm freeride aspects as a 300 xcw tpi rider myself. The drz400 comparison was you actually reading my mind lol. I've bike swapped for a ride with my buddy on his drz400 and me on my 300xcw. Boat anchor. It was fun for a while but it was work, hard work to not even be at the same pace as my 300xcw and I was either going to blow out the suspension or the motor.
*I’ve found if u adjust shocks to stiffest setting and turn it back very very little at time to find riding style area then start turning 1 tenth turns you can literally dial shocks in as precise as possible because 99% of these shocks you’ll miss that sweet spot if u turn adjust more than 1/16th to 1/8 increments at time my experience ( adjustable shocks speaking)* I hated my shocks until I figured it out now night n day.
U can put abs brakes on front as well I’ve never needed them but would be nice feature.
Turbo mode ( hill climbs)
Freeride E has Formula brakes, not Brembo. I like them better than my gas KTMs (they are so crisp!) My other buddy with one thinks they are too quick acting and lack modulation. You think they aren't powerful enough. Three opposite impressions. :)
Thanks for taking time to do the review. I'm waiting for the Ultra Bee. With a 21" front wheel and some power mods it might be the Freeride E killer. Fingers crossed!
Thanks for the Video! I choose the surron because the battery is bigger, the bike is cheaper and you can go faster than the KTM.
@Philippe Moisan All valid reasons! 👍
I added handguards to my UK storm bee! fantastic bike! but I think I will buy the ulta bee too!
How much is a replacement battery when it wears out?
What's the name of the trail system are you riding?
Great review, but one thing that is forgotten. Side by side dragstrip 0-topspeed on the road, not dirt. That would be a great comparisson on the power-part of the review.
Which of the two can be use on road?
So hopefully you see this! WE NEED A ULTRA BEE VS FREERIDE VIDEO! No one has one and it seems on appear they are very similar!
Awesome trails, Colorado?
The big problem I have with Sur is that their R&D isn't as good. Parts rub together, weak points are plentiful, parts are cheap, upgrades are mandatory (so far). KTM on the other hand is going to be an out of the box no upgrades needed kind of experience. Pay a little more, save a lot.
no, surron is the best choice
With the price difference could you not improve the suspension to get the feel you need.
I have the freeride E-XC, and I can confirm the throttle lag on the surron. I once rode a Surron lightbee, and there was some milliseconds of delay between the throttle input and wheel movement. For me, this is a big showstopper. Doing very slow technical stuff and some stunting, this delay makes it very hard to anticipate. The body and wrist movement needs to be exact with the rear wheel movement. KTM all the way!!
That's a good thing about the StormBee's price. Most people don't need to spend/invest the extra 2K because the bike will already do what they want and more. KTM for the more hard core rider is the better investment due to just a fork upgrade alone for stormbee, surron and talaria is $1,400-1,600 plus. Eats a big chunk out of the 2K price gap with just a fork upgrade.
To be fair i dont know one KTM that still runs stock suspension, everyone i know has has thrown truckloads of cash at kato suspenders to make them work, not talking e bikes though but the footage i see displays the same characteristics.
Awesome review Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Did you time your laps? It appears from the video that your lap time on the KTM was way faster. It appears from the video you felt you like you were going faster on the Surron because it was probably a looser feel. But looking at the tape it looks like you're going way faster most of the time on the KTM.
Hi all I have a suron LBX with 72v battery and a bac 8000 ,,just out of curiosity,,was wondering if the new suron was as fast or slower, regard james
@the energizing flame My 14kW BAC8000 LBX is faster but the power is arguably not as usable as the Storm Bee. The Storm Bee power to weight is less abundant but a bit more usable, if that makes sense.
Is there a 2 stroke version
Hey Tuck. I've got the pre-prod F storm. I also find the Storm suspension really soft, even on the "F". I'm a bit bigger than you too, so I'm gonna be stiffening it up A LOT. How do you find the throttle? I find it really twitchy. Haven't whiskey'd yet, but close a couple times and I'm hoping that Surron comes out with an app/program to be able to tweak it sooner than later. I can't speak for the KTM, as I've never been on it so glad you released this vid! :)
Sidenote: the prod version of the Surrons are gonna have a bigger battery too, which I'm kinda miffed about. :(
@Grimnaut Thanks for your input! Definitely eager to try the bike with a suspension tune... I find that the throttle response could use some improvement too. It's a bit too delayed for my preference and can feel a little twitchy as you mentioned. Surron does say that throttle response will be improved for the production model but we will see! Where did you get your pre-production F?
@@ElectricCycleRider Local dealer up here in Canada.
When you say "bottoming out", do you mean the suspension is bottoming out or the bottom of the frame is hitting terrain underneath the bike?
@Luap When I said I'm bottoming out at 11:10 , I am referring to hitting the frame (and/or pegs) on rocks and logs underneath the bike.
Where are these trails? Would a gas bike be allowed here?
The torque values of that Surron is insane!
The Storm sounds like its setup like a typical old school Japanese Road/Trail Enduro style bike, great for a those nice open long trail roads, sounds like a great bike to be honest, if they bring out a road licensable version, I will seriously look at one.
Enduro model. 13k AUD
@@bangkokstallion Thanks bud, I found a couple of resellers here in AU, seems a little pricey for the road version, but the off road one is well priced, most likely the ADR compliance plate is costing additional. if it rides like an old XR400, then this is perfect me.
Where do you ride? Looks beautiful
I love both of these bikes the storm be I like a little more in the reverse definitely can come in handy if you ride bike enough especially trail riding there is definitely some places you could use reverse for sure although in some of them places is also where you have a hard time getting traction in reverse on a bike I could just imagine how well the traction actually is in reverse but it can definitely come in handy I'm sure
@James Mower Yeah, I laughed at it at first but it's actually come in surprisingly handy on a few occasions.
Where you riding?
Buena Vista? four mile?
Freeride shows a rear foot brake?
How do these compare to the Alta Redshift MX?
@The Processor The Alta is a bit bigger (especially when compared to the KTM), more powerful than both and has a bit better range. Better suspension. Heavier than the KTM but lighter than the Surron. Overall, more of a performance oriented and "racier" bike than both of these. Shame that it's not still available to buy!
How about the Ktm freeride power plant into a ktm 150xcw chassis lol. That would be sweet too!
I'd love to see your comparison to the ultra bee. Your the first person to review with this relatable I depth descriptions
Check back in a few days... wink wink...
Regarding traction. The Ktm comes stock with a trials tire. Sur-Ron has a dirt tire.
@Dylan Brown For sure. The KTM comes stock with Maxxis Trialmaxx tires. I've run a few different tire combos on the Freeride, currently with a Michelin Starcross Medium on the front and Shinko 525 on the rear.
Storm bee vs stark varg ??
Nice video,thank you from Russia! 🙂
Can you do ultra bee vs freeride please 🙏
KTM Freeride vs Surron Ultra Bee please!
How much do you weigh?
I am very curious to see how these 2 will match up vs the Zero FX. At this point the KTM cost what the FX cost.The FX has more power, is street legal, gets rebates and seems like the better choice. My guess is that FX would kill both of these bikes. Let's see a vs with the Zero FX in the mix! Keep up the great content.
I have the KTM E-XC and a zero FXS. The zero has a lot more power and torque. On a dragstrip, the FXS would win with ease, it's a real rocket'. But unfortunately, there is also some throttle delay on the Zero. this makes it unfit for stunting/slow technical rides. Thats why i have the supermoto version. I love the KTM, and I love the Zero FXS, but both for different reasons.
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I'd go with the one that has a dealership nearby my house. You need parts, constantly. Especially if you want to ride that day.
Fair enough! I haven't needed much parts aside from wear and tear items on either of these bikes but definitely understand wanting to be near support.
What state or motorcycle riding area is this looks amazing?
@Greg D This is in Colorado!
I wonder how these would hold up on a motocross track
Can we get a review on the Ultra Bee?
@Michael J It's in the works! Will post a video as soon as we're able.
At 8:09, is there a potential for the rider to be electrocuted?
I’m staying optimistic for the evolution of true, PLATABLE Dual Sport offerings. We’re ’already there’ for dirt bikes.
Which is best for motocross and jumps? I'm guessing the KTM. Thanks
Its jus so slow. 56? Mph?