dude, Hi :) I'm watching all your movies so can You please answer me on one question? If you were using this Dark rock Pro 4 cooler on 12700K how many RPM's was set up on cooler exacly?
Any chance you could add something like Yuzu/Ryujinx to the AMD vs. Intel test setup? It is something a lot of people are interested in but nobody tests it, maybe because of the nature of emulators being a grey area.
Wow. These two are perfectly tied in The Last of Us, Hitman 3, Hogwarts Legacy, and Forza Horizon 5. It's been a long time since I've seen such a close matchup between two CPUs. Having said that, the 7800X3D is significantly more power-efficient, and it's also cheaper, so I would go with that.
@@hueman69420 Obviously! That's not what it's for. You buy the 7800X3D if you want a perfectly silent high-end gaming PC, not maximum productivity in professional applications.
@@selohcin It's not just about professional applications. It's also about multitasking in general (playing games, streaming, having a browser open, having background applications running all at once, simply having muli-monitor setups...etc). This is particularly true as games themselves begin to utilise 8 or more cores, which they are doing. An example of this is the latest Cyberpunk patch.
@@ncpv im an overclocker. I tune everything. A max tuned intel system is faster than a max tuned amd system. Both with a 4090 ofc. So like i said, when tuned intel takes the lead however, at stock settings amd is the way to go.
benefit of the 7800x3d is you can just replace it in a year or two if you want. With the intel you'd have to replace the entire board because its the last gen of the lg1700
@@tilapiadave3234thats not the problem man, intel 14° cpu is more expensive, and if u want to upgrade u need to buy a whole new motherboard while on am5 you can upgrade just changing the cpu
@@luixkjkk I do understand foolish people that fall for the AMD shillll lies about motherboards ,, i can ASSURE you it is NOT illegal to change a motherboard and YEs you are even allowed to sell your motherboard / cpu and ram as a single unit and get a large proportion of your money back
wow, I was expecting the 14700k to get spanked, yet I managed to draw and even beat the 3d in MANY games. It's also faster by 40-50% in productivity The thing is the power draw is abysmal too. If the machine is only for gaming I would go with the 3d.
Wait you are saying 14700k better in productivity? I already ordered 14700k with Rx 7900xt. Should I buy 7800x3D instead? My goal is to play games quite good on 2k also do multitasking like opening vs code, browser, play video on 2nd monitor. English isn't my first language. So excuse me.
@@_kiaz_ both of them are about the same for gaming, but the x3d needs much less power, its somewhat better. the 14700k does have more cores, even if worse ones (e cores) so its better for multytaksing
@@_kiaz_ Look at the 0.1% FPS numbers. The 14700K is almost 20% better in most games. AMD has always had frame dropping issues and it looks to be the same again. For gaming 14700k is clearly superior.
*The 14700K vs. a 13700K or a 13700KS variant have major differences for performance. The 14th gen has more E cores for smaller tasks and better multithreading. It also has better clocks, better overclocking, and tweaked better in several areas.*
if you could text on screen with resolution like 1080p or 4k would be very much appreciated, right now need to keep up your scrolling in game what resolution are
Gaming on the 14700K is gonna feel better, frametime pacing is gonna be better as you can see even in the video and it will be very much noticeable on higher refresh rate screens.
You need to have some competitive shooters because that's really the only thing you need these for if you aren't just a casual playing on higher resolutions. And you also need to add the 0.1% to the averages as that is the most important number. If 1% is better and 0.1% is worse it's just worse.
@@rijkaard1579 Mine doesn't run hotter than those temps in results. But it does push out hotter air than my 13600k. *kraken 360 AiO. Pretty warm chip...
In comparison to what? Zen 4? Then yes. Zen 4 cannot do above 6000 MT/s. It's not uncommon to see 7000 MT/s on 13th/14th gen Intel. Of course silicon lottery is still a thing, which is why there are 13th/14th gen around that cannot do anything about 6200 MT/s either.
*I just built a new rig with the Asus Prime Z790 PLUS mobo and it handles DDR5 7200 ram. So, I'm running G.Skill Trident Z5 7200 CL36. I have seen many benchmarks where the difference between 6000, 7200 are massive. Usually a gain of 10%. From 7200 to 8000 though was literally 1-2 fps. The benchmark was done at 1080p, then 1440p and 4K to show all differences.*
The 3D Cache structure of the 7800x3d is a cache memory module placed on top of the CPU core. Therefore, it has disadvantageous for heat dissipation of the CPU core.
also the IHS of Ryzen 7000 CPUs are much thicker than previous AMD CPUs. that alone makes these Ryzen chips much hotter. My 7800X3D sits idle at around 50C. load around 70C
@@colorfulstring I think the heat dissipation is still better on x3d chips. CPU temps aren't straight indicator when it comes to cooling *just my guess.
@@OmnianMIUtrue older games tend not to use more cores but stronger cores that's how intel always wins in the past. Now games utilizing more cores and threads. This is only in gaming btw.
The Ryzen 7 got absolutely wrecked in Spiderman Miles Morales game, 90fps vs 130fps is a massive difference (44%) for the 1% lows. But the 7800X3D uses less power.
Did you limit the gpu? I don't get it. This looks like a bottleneck or a power limit. Can't truly compare those numbers.
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Why is the gpu load only at around 60-70%? Also the CPU load is around 20% for Intel and 30% for and.. Are all these games limited on single thread performance or something? Would expect either CPU or GPU to be at 100% no?
@@ricardoelectronicsrepair"Threads" not cores. No old game in history even comes close to using 8 cores. Please understand what you are talking about.
Intel cpu: -costs more -requires more cooling -draws more power -dead motherboard socket/no upgrade path -requires much faster RAM and tuning Yeah... no thanks
for AMD: stability issues due to non optimised Agesa, CCD layout is terrible and also thickness of lid is immense, so they will run hotter, AMD policy about removing warranty even if you do underclocking or undervolting or even expo officialy (for case of 7950x3D you have to underclock non 3D core clocks in bios, so games will always latch on CCD with 3D cache); need for bios update, so you wont blow your cpu due to SoC voltage (Asus and MSI boards mainly). You have to run Win 10, because Win 11 will slow them down. BUT also : has larger cache, which will definitely help in games, still can be cooled with air coolers, less power draw Everything has some disadvantiges and advantiges
@@serq891 none of those things you mentioned are an issue, just FUD spread to hate on AMD. Stability issues with AGESA were patched out in a couple months, thickness of heat spreader has no bearing on the performance as every chip will run to spec and AMD even specified the chips are designed to run at that temperature. Silicon doesn't even run into thermal degradation until ~15-20C above the design limit so no issues there - also just try running Intel on an air cooler and no 240mm+ rad (lol). There is no documented case of AMD refusing warranty due to underclocking or undervolting. Finally 7950X3D works fine with process lasso.
Of course. For example you can undervolt Intel cpu by 0,050 or even 0,075 V in vcore offset and apply thermal grizzly bracket around it, so it will really cool down. But if you are not doing heavy CPU programs like cinnebench, blender, CAD or such, you wont even get to such high temperatures compared to gaming, where temperatures are way lower. If you understand german, I can also point you to this video watch?v=514mX8Onxqc That is why, if done correctly, youtube reviews of CPUs are done in 720p or 1080p so CPU is used more, and with nowadays GPU, you probably wont play on such resolution yourself, because it would be wasting money. I presume from your statement, that you have AMD cpu, which means it should have 3D cache, If you are just gaming: also you could have 7800x3d which has only one CCD so no process lasso would be needed. If you want more "computational" power, then CPU with 3D cache wont really help with that. You should see CPU comparisons on YT: in general programs, intel usually scores little bit higher, and in games, AMD is better with 3D cache, but only in lower resolutions. Both sides amd and intel have lots of ways for tweaking and optimising, we could spend lots of time to searching for solutions which does exist, but are not that well known to public I also recommend you to look for 7950x3d fix on youtube, so you can ditch lasso completely Zrušit Odpovědět
@@_kiaz_ Because of the number of cores, it will be overkill for most gpus. But if you are heavily multitasking (or using softs that really can use lots of cores) the more cores you have the better. The 14700K has both many and fast cores. It's beaten by the AMD on pure gaming (not that far) but it largely beats it on multitasking/core needing softs (Blender, compression, editing etc).
@@dirtyandnasty9011 I am planning to build a new PC with this CPU. I do mostly coding, while opening 2,3 tabs on browser also play something on YT on my third monitor. So, I'm good with this CPU right? Also My GPU is going to be RX 7900XT. I hope I can play some games above 100 fps on 2k
Los promedios no importan, es la estabilidad lo mas importante o la curva del frametime. Mira el juego de Spiderman con el 1% de fps y la ventaja monstruosa que lleva el Core i7.
Looks like much of a muchness. The frame rates are so damn similar and the playability is the same. Just a shame there aren't so many decent titles these days. Boils down to price but you'll never convince a hard-core AMD fan to go Intel and vice versa. We all have our favourites, but the most interesting thing is the mid level CPUs and GPUs are pulling up the ranks. You expect top end gear to perform, but nothing like building a cheap system that punches above its weight. Good video comparison though.
Currently, the only advantage that Intel has is it's Big.little design using P&E-Cores. The industry is slowly moving towards optimizing Software to effectively utilize the Big.little design, and this would increase more once AMD releases their own Big.little design CPU's (stated to come with Ryzen 9000 series based on rumors). Once that design becomes common place, then older CPU's which are not based on that design would suffer a lot as support for them would be phased out forcing people to buy new systems (just like Microsoft tried to force many to buy new PC to change to Win 11). While this won't affect those who are frequent Buyers or Upgraders to new tech. It would affect those who buy PC for long-term usage (aka., those who buy PC once and don't bother either upgrading or buying new PC unless something fails or the whole system becomes unusable).
No they are not similar. Look at the 0.1% FPS. That is the most important number. Dropped frames. 14700k is almost 20% better in most games. It's massively better.
Something no one talks about. Id say the Intel does better on emulation. Since those apps run more like production apps as opposed to a game and Intel does better on productivity apps than AMD x3d chips
From what've seen/read on the internet, Intel seems to do better when it comes to emulation, especially RPCS3. There's this TSX instruction option on the CPU tab settings, I've watched many videos of people enabling that and testing demanding games ( such as GOW 3, The last of Us) and they run so smoothly. Honestly I'm upgrading soon and it's gonna be an I-7 13700k. It's a lot cheaper than 14700k where I live, and in my case it will definitely be a huge upgrade since I'm still using a R7 3700x
sorry but can someone enlighten me? im a noob. All i can tell is the FPS difference between 2 CPUs. Overall Ryzen 7 7800X3D has better FPS. What does that imply? Higher FPS means better CPU?
@@CastIronEric to be honest, amd supporters could easily roast me as my points are too simplistic. I'm developing a pc component in depth guide as an amateur pc enthusiast, where I explain it in more detail in case you're interested. Point is, Ryzen are generally cheaper and offer better performance in gaming and less power usage, but run hotter. I don't give 2 craps about power usage anyway, 140w vs 60w ain't nothing. Also, am5 motherboards that run amd chips will provide further gen upgrades like zen 5, whereas lga1700 obos end at 14th gens. Nevertheless, if your budget ain't mega tight and you don't mind running 20 fps slower on some games, I recommend the 14700k. Runs cooler, more stable in low fps and crushes the 7800x in productivity tasks. "but most people do no productivity other than basics bla bla..." I tell you, while gaming with discord open, Google tabs, steam and other stuff going in the background you'll thank me you got those extra cores. But hey, no expert here. Pro tip. Use a thermalright steel frame for your processor and ditch the stock motherboard clipper. Way better temps and no cpu bending over time.
a lot of people seem to be saying the AMD cpu is better but if you look at the readouts you'll notice that the AMD has a higher utilisation rate compared to the intel cpu,
Consider that cpu is quite older and it was directly opposing the 13th gen of intel cpu. Also 7800x3d is 8 cores 16 threads and 14700k is 20 cores (8p12e) and 28 threads. the difference is staggeringly low looking at specs alone and even as a longtime intel person myself i wish i researched it earlier because the socket compatibility for Ryzen is nothing to sneeze at. You are guaranteed to be able to run several gens of Ryzens without needing to change mobo only occasional bios flash to new version.
It really means nothing, if you are thinking about multitasking, multitasking is not about utilization CPU. It has higher utilization because it can give you more FPS. That’s why
@@MUCABRASIL-ku8pq Intel has explicitly stated that it consumes 253W of power. Anyone with basic knowledge of computers would know that amount of power will produce a lot of heat. This CPU needs a minimum of 360 AIO liquid cooler. Basic requirement.
Brazil prices: i7 14700KF + Z790 = 7800X3D +B650. Which one should I choose ??? (X670 is 100% more expensive than b650 in south america, nobody knows why, the x670 its been phased out by the manufacturers because nobody can buy, b650 around 400 USD and x670 around 800 USD)
you made a mistake with rdr2. the reason it ran poorly on the intel machine, is because you tested it on the vulkan api. dx 12 uses more cores and the performance is better overall. just know to do dx 12 for every dx 12 game in the future. other than that, intel's 14th gen is better in some titles, while ryzen 7 7800x3d is better in other titles. you can especially see this in AMD sponsored titles like Jedi Survivor. AMD wins in terms of power draw and heat, but Intel's cpu is better for Render Engines, projects, and Windows stuff in general. If you only play video games and browse the web, then you should always go with the 7800x3d
Hard battle here. In some titles 14700k is better, in other 7800x3d is better. We have an awasome choise of cpus in market and they are all awasome cpus! Nice competition!
@@OmnianMIU agreed. i rather spend 15% more and have it all than save a few bucks and be limited on 1 side or the other. Since gaming performance is so close, i rather spend the 15% extra so my build can have best of both worlds for all tasks my pc will do. Electricity costs is not a deciding factor since the costs of electricity is not that high it will turn into thousands per year but rather mayby add 10-20 euro per month to my energy bill if even that. If i can build a system worth thousants of euro's, i can spend the 10-20 euro per month extra on electricity to run it.
Performance is almost tie, but thermal is a big issue if you concern about fan noise, especially when you use mini itx case. If testing is honest, 14700k is definitely choise, temp is much better even consump more watt
Somethings not right about these results. In several of the games both the GPU & CPU % were significantly higher on the ryzen card. On flight sim the GPU % on the intel side is 56% compared to 82% on the AMD. Looking at the CPU % it's the same thing with the intel using 16% while the amd is using 29%. Obviously slight differences are expected but these numbers are way off. What is shows is the AMD CPU is working twice as hard and utilizing 40% more of the 4090. Something in the settings is affecting these results
It’s cuz many games can’t use right E-core basicly they are useless. I have 13600kf and for example in FarCry 5 usage is 21% and many other games I can’t pass 30% of usage, I realized that Cyberpunk only at this time added option for Intel called „Hybrid” or only use P-Core. Basicly in Cyberpunk usage of my CPU is 60%.
It's to make dumb fanboys happy and grab their money , lol . Intel fanboys haven't been happy for while , every new gen give them hope so they sleep bit better , most are bitter for last 5 years .
*Who told any of you the 14th gen performs the same as 13th gen? I hope you didn't pay the individual for that info. Otherwise, you need a refund. More E cores, better clock speeds, better overclocking, and other benefits. A 13700K vs 14700K has major FPS performance differences.*
I would go for the i7 for those 12 extra efficniency ecores. You may not think it matters for Gaming. And on these benchmark channels it truly does not. But when you got an antivirus, 3 chorme tabs, discord, cloud service backing up data in the background, along with other stuff, the higher core count CPU will be smoother in game, no question about it
I have a 13600K and keep the e-cores disabled. I notice no difference even playing CP2077 and a bunch of other stuff open in the background. The e-cores end up being a liability because they push package power up a great deal so you're hitting power and temp limits sooner.
@@LilMissMurder3409 I have an i5-13600K and I have a 10-15% increase in multitasking + gaming simultaneously with e-cores enabled, and a small 5% improvement in gaming if e-cores disabled and everything else except the game is open. My CPU does not go past 80c while trying to fry it with a benchmark for half an hour. I am using a budget $50 CPU air cooler, the Deepcool AG500, and I have 30c room temperature right now. So if you are hitting 100c = temp limit and thus throttling, then that CAN be fixed to unleash the full power of your CPU + greatly increase its lifespan. The guilty are not the e-cores. 1st = LGA1700 motherboards overvolt the i5-13600K by default, and the CPU has no innate voltage controller like 14th gen refresh after it. Basically the CPU is receiving 20-40% more voltage, increasing 20-40% more its power and temperature draw, for literally 0% performance gain, that is right, absurd. This can be fixed thankfully, google any undervoltage guide for 13th gen Intel, which is literally just access bios and find the option, while every CPU can be undervolted up to a different amount without performance drop, the i5-13600K consistently can always reduce its draw by 20%, which is exactly what Intel enforced with the voltage controller in the identical i5-14600K that followed it. Easy 15c-30c drop. 2nd = LGA1700 motherboards came with a buckling rounding defect which makes the CPU not have an even surface, which makes it NOT contact the CPU cooler properly, which skyrockets temperatures at times. Thankfully, this can be solved either buying a later 2023 motherboard for new builders, and for olders, just buying this www.amazon.com/-/es/Thermalright-Intel-antiflexi%C3%B3n-generaci%C3%B3n-instalaci%C3%B3n/dp/B0B9WHQ7VL?th=1 or similar from other companies more than solves it, it even comes with high quality thermal paste. People reports temperature drops from 10c to 25c at times. 3rd = Your PC case likely has some serious flaw on its airflow, like fans not spining the direction they should or so. I have meet people which were hitting temp limits right away and it was always some poorly handled PC case cooling, like having an outflow fan directly to a wall or so. My PC case just has 3 fans running at 30% its power, so it is hardly a topic of upping noise or budget, so make sure to make some quick fact checking if everything is moving as it should. 4th = I doubt it is the case but if you paired the CPU with a motherboard without VRM (rectangles near the CPU that acts as low power fans), yeah, it is going to be tough to keep it cool. Will need to up the CPU cooler budget to make up for it.
I have 13490f, the e-cores is a trash. More of them won't help anyhow. Imagine they are not there. One normal core beats them altogether. Altogether. If you seek a power efficiency, you won't find. It will be like 3 watts. Intel only even started to develop a software for them. But it's so bad that even them had to lock it only to few new processors.
Intel’s 13th gen. Raptor Lake CPUs offer around 10% faster gaming and 45% faster multi-core performance than their predecessors. The new CPUs are compatible with DDR4 memory and Z690/B660 ($150) motherboards. New high-end gaming builders need look no further than the 13600K. The 13600K beats AMD’s flagship 7950X in gaming and almost matches the 7900X in multi-core performance. Huh Cpu Benchmark? Really?
30% less power consumption on the R7. For me there is no competition. If I were to buy/build a system now I would go for AMD CPU/APU. Thanks for the video.
@@BornInArona If 14700K is also undervolted, it will run cooler also. If both are undervolted to the same extent, the temperature difference is likely to remain the same. Why do you think undervolting a 7800X3D reduces its temperature so much as to make it run cooler than a similarly undervolted 14700K? Anyway, unless you actually undervolt both CPUs and check the resulting temperature of each, nothing definitive can be said about whether this temperature difference can be reduced or even eliminated or not.
@@AphillyatedYT nevermind about my comment. That was 9 months ago anyway. Literally almost all tech RUclipsrs have revealed that Intel faked their CPU temperature reporting within the CCD itself. Have you seen that LevelOneTech and Gamers Nexus report about 14700K have staggering different temperature between what's reported on the screen (like using HWID or MSI Afterburner etc) compared to Thermal camera ? So anyway all reports about 14700k running hot while the temperature readings says "normal temperature" is not a joke anymore. No wonder those CPUs are failing on its own to the point where Game Devs themselves rant about it
@@AphillyatedYT and I bet you don't even have Thermal Camera anyway and you wrote your comment based on what you've seen on the screen based on temperature reporting system. Those are lies
The 7800x3d is amazing regarding gaming performance vs power usage metric. The 4700k is very close though in gaming and it has some wins in newer titles. But apart from gaming, the 7800x3d will get slaughtered in productivity so the 14700k is better overall cpu for all types of workloads. Still the 3d v-cache technology is awesome and Intel should implement it in the nearest time possible
@@benjamind547 many things not considering 14700k performs better with ddr5 7200 while 7800x3d with 6000 CL30 which is cheaper also not to mention with the 14700K power draw you are going to need a much better cooler and possible a better power supply so yeah overall the 7800x3d is cosiderably cheaper plus power consumption is a lot less when gaming
@@CarlosFernandez-qk1kj Power consumption is less on a 7800X3D, sure. But the 3D Cache on a 7800X3D is very sensitive to heat. There's also RAM stability issues with the X3D still, although it won't affect everybody.
I bought an i7 14700k. Do you think I will have problems playing at a limited 60 fps and 2k resolution? Taking into account the current problems of the 14th gen.
@@МонголоТатарин no they don't. The Intel micro-code update was only Hard-limiting the voltage while also at the cost of performance. Check out Gamers Nexus investigation on this
till now intel 12th to 14th gens i7 and i9 are still 8/16 which the fact I don't like because of using ecore to cover and act they have more cores but actually still 8..
Sure look at cyberpunk. They utilize all cores and not even cache advantages can exceed it. All you guys says its only a few games, yeah for now. When consoles have 8 cores, pc games usually consumes 2 or more to be optimized. Buy the x3d now and upgrade every release while intel users chilln coz they have more cores.
@@justanobody4983neutered cores at that efficient cores they are not intel shot there selves in the foot amd next chip 32 full cores just like the new threadripper
the children needs to understand the ryzen is only for gaming where intel can perform better in productivity and gaming. My first cpu was ryzen 5600x which a monster in gaming but when i grew up and started thinking about earn money online by doing like freelancing video editing etc. it doesnt perform that well. And now i am using i7 14700k which killed in both productivity and gaming.
I’m currently in college and do a good amount of studying and planning on building a pc. I’m really new to the scene. I’m planning on gaming around 3-5 hours depending on my workload for school. Should I go for 7800x3d or i7-14700k?
7800X3D + Deepcool AG620 cooler. Only go for the i7-14700K if you know what are you doing since it is very hard to cool and its superior performance outside gaming is irrelevant if you are not doing works that requires it.
@@MsNyara Why would you recommend them a CPU that wouldn’t help them as much as the other? If they do a “fair bit of studying” Intel is clearly the better pick. It’s not “irrelevant” at all if it’s beneficial. I study too. Languages too and like to have tabs open. Intel is clearly better, esp since they’re both close enough in performance anymore. Plus, Intel stays cooler consistently.
AMD is still sad. Say spiderman is optomized mess but intel is 40fps faster. In games that are faster with AMD they still run good on Intel. Red dead is the only game that runs little better on AMD.
It really amazes me that the 7800X3D is cheaper, faster and more power efficient on pratically all results. Despise having to change your memories to DDR5 as well with the upgrade, the bonus is that you can activate SAM with a RX 7000 GPU and gain some extra 10~20% performance.
Cause userbenchmark is bullshit and they are biased by Intel. They will talk bullshit about AMD even if AMD will be better. This site should be banned, read in Reddit posts about this site and don’t go to this site anymore
7800X3D is significantly hotter even though it uses half the wattage. So if you care about temps, don't get a 3D chip. Actually, all of 7000 series runs super hot even at idle. 14700K or even the 13700K is the much better overall chip w/ more headroom to gain performance on top of thrashing the 7800X3D in everything outside of gaming.
Ryzen 9 7900X and 7950X are better than the 14700K and 13700K by the perfomance per watt alone and productivity can be stronger, you have all 12 or 16 perfomance cores.
Lol. All those stating 7800x3d is king clearly only pay attention to one thing which is fps. Look at the GPU and CPU utilization. Clearly tells a very different story when you look at CPU and GPU utilization. The 14700k is not being used to it's full potential in any game at all. 7800x3d is an amazing chip but not better performance wise then the 14700k when it comes head to head at full utilization of the CPU. 7800x3d is best at efficiency for sure though.
because current games aren't designed to take advantage of Intel's hybrid tech with P and E cores. games like CP2077 and Starfield take advantage of the higher core and thread count and they perform better on the 14th gen intel with the latest updates.@@hamadax97
@@Kobe4Life2424 My logic lmao.. you brought up cpu utilization saying gaming performance will be improved if the cpu is running at 100% and I gave you an example with an i3 to show you how wrong and incredibly stupid you sound... "when it comes head to head at full utilization of the CPU" ..I don't know where you heard that better gaming performance is determined by full cpu utilization, that is one of the most false dumb and ignorant statements I ever heard🤣🤣🤣Even an overclocked and fully power unlocked i9 14900ks couldn't beat the 7800x3d in gaming but keep huffing that copium with your "full potential" and utilization crap if it helps you sleep at night🤣🤣
I don't know, can someone explain to me how this works? Where do the differences in FPS come from, if the processor has a problem with something, it shouldn't run at 100%. In the recording, both processors run at 60% why?
It's called Game Engine limitation. 99% of all video games in existence on PC are never designed to use more than 12 CPU Threads. Which means 6 CPU Cores with 12 Threads are actually working at 99% utilization, while other Cores are handling other background tasks including MSI Afterburner overlay itself. So when 12 Threads at 99% usage, the other threads could be very low, so MSI Afterburner will just Sum it and showing the Average usage percentage. You can see it manually if you turn on "Show each individual Threads usage" then you will see 12 Threads at 99% usage while other Threads at 5% usage. Now, when it comes to the difference between the performance of Intel vs AMD, while both technically utilize only 12 Threads in most games, AMD has 3D-VCache. Which means the electrons have shorter travel distance between each cores and L3 Cache back and forth. Basically Intel still using regular L3 Cache Horizontal topology design in the past 25 years, so the more Cores you put on a CPU, the more distance between all P Cores to the L3 Cache. 3D-VCache solved it by putting L3 Cache Vertically on top of the Cores itself, therefore shorter distance.
Has Intel's cpu's have been tested with their 125w tdp enforced? There are options in the motherboard that allows to lift all power limits, let your motherboard control the cpu or enforce the 125 tdp profile. AMD is on fire
Intel CPUs get choked tf out if you limit their power. With zen4 you can limit it to eco mode and it'll draw 40% less power and give you 95% performance. On Intel that same 40% power drop loses 20% performance.
lol.... the only way that will happen is when someone pairs one of these CPUs with a cooler like the Hyper 212 on an ultra cheap H610 board. Most, if not all of these z690 & z790 board ignore these lower PL1 power limits right out of the box.
It really depends on programs that you will use. Both processors can do productivity task, but look at hat programs do you use and then look at the bechmarks. It’s not black and white that some people thinks
It makes no sense to upgrade a high end cpu for at least 4 or 5 years It only makes sense like if u get a 7600x and then you can upgrade to the latest am5 x3d But otherwise no
The i7 14700k is very impressive, it offers very similar gaming performance and has better productivity stats than the 7800x3d, think ill go with the i7.
@@thishallakshan7410 unfortunately, the 7800x3d is trash when it comes to production work, I appreciate its gaming performance, its fantastic, but I do 3d, editing work along side gaming.
@@thishallakshan74107800x3d is 2 times worse at productivity load than the i7 And it is ahead like 10% on 1080P At 2k and 4k the differrnce doesnt t exist So the i7 is the much better choice
@@leandromorais1584am5 boards are more expensive and for that extra $100-200 you pay in future you’ll will get a whole new motherboard with latest usb and pcie gen with a better reliability and warranty
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Starfield - 6:20
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Spider-Man Miles Morales - 8:41 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesSpiderManPC
Forza Horizon 5 - 9:32 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesForza5
System:
Windows 11
Core i7-14700K - bit.ly/3QqUF5u
ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming - bit.ly/3scEZpc
Ryzen 7 7800X3D - bit.ly/43e3VxW
MSI MPG X670E CARBON
G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 32GB DDR5 6000MHz - bit.ly/3XlBGdU
CPU Cooler - MSI MAG CORELIQUID C360 - bit.ly/3mOVgiy
GeForce RTX 4090 24GB - bit.ly/3CSaMCj
SSD - 2xSAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB - bit.ly/2NmWeQe
Power Supply CORSAIR RM850i 850W - bit.ly/3i2VoGI
dude, Hi :) I'm watching all your movies so can You please answer me on one question? If you were using this Dark rock Pro 4 cooler on 12700K how many RPM's was set up on cooler exacly?
Any chance you could add something like Yuzu/Ryujinx to the AMD vs. Intel test setup? It is something a lot of people are interested in but nobody tests it, maybe because of the nature of emulators being a grey area.
Old
Intel: more fps Amd: more cores
Now
Intel: more cores Amd: more fps.
Don't forget heat and power consumption also swapped
Skylake cores is just for background software
@@madmax1436The e-cores are slower than Skylake and Haswell cores (Zen 1). I have a 10 year old Haswel laptop, IPC is 25% faster than the e-cores.
@@xupthree60and multithreading, intel is making its newer cpus without hyperthreading.
AMD win the CPWR!
Wow. These two are perfectly tied in The Last of Us, Hitman 3, Hogwarts Legacy, and Forza Horizon 5. It's been a long time since I've seen such a close matchup between two CPUs. Having said that, the 7800X3D is significantly more power-efficient, and it's also cheaper, so I would go with that.
7800x3d is also significantly weaker in multi threaded performance
@@hueman69420 Obviously! That's not what it's for. You buy the 7800X3D if you want a perfectly silent high-end gaming PC, not maximum productivity in professional applications.
@@selohcin It's not just about professional applications. It's also about multitasking in general (playing games, streaming, having a browser open, having background applications running all at once, simply having muli-monitor setups...etc). This is particularly true as games themselves begin to utilise 8 or more cores, which they are doing. An example of this is the latest Cyberpunk patch.
Also you can most likely just stick in a 9800x3d or a 9950x3d on the same board in a couple of years where as Intel is on a dead platform
@@benjamind547 Bro is coping hard, every person here is not a streamer. The browser tabs doesn't matter if you have a good ram. 14th is nothing new.
7800x3D is going to be an insane deal once Ryzen 8000 releases
Yeah maybe, just read it is expected to release mid to late 2024.
Still a while away.
@@onyachampearly 2025. Non X3D in a year
It's $499 with motherboard and 32gb of ddr5 ram at microcenter black Friday deal right now. $270 of savings.
15700k will DESTROY it
@@tilapiadave3234ahaahahh😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Created a 7800x3d build couple weeks ago, think I'm happy with my choice.
well for gaming this is the best
At stock settings it appears to be so. But with some system tuning u can get a lot more performance than "normies". In that case intel takes the lead.
@@branchprediction9923not really, $50 more for maybe a couple fps more on select games. I'd take the 7800x3d any day.
@@branchprediction9923intel does not take the lead even after some tuning lol
@@ncpv im an overclocker. I tune everything. A max tuned intel system is faster than a max tuned amd system. Both with a 4090 ofc.
So like i said, when tuned intel takes the lead however, at stock settings amd is the way to go.
Games: 7800X3D
Work: 14700K
Mixed use: 14700K
Upgrade Possibility: 7800X3D
Only 7800X3D. F@ck the blue boiler.
and you need to put energy saving 7800X3D
Coffe, tea, barbiq - intel
@@javiernunez124 when you spend thousands of dollars on PCs the last thing you care about is your electric bill.
@@yzuniga13sa when you spend thousands you spend hundreds more for 2fps?
I felt that the 14700 heated up more... but instead....
benefit of the 7800x3d is you can just replace it in a year or two if you want. With the intel you'd have to replace the entire board because its the last gen of the lg1700
this is exactly why i went for a 7800x3d
LMAO ,,, 12 minutes yes TWELVE minutes is the time it takes to swap out a motherboard and if i wasn't 60 it would be quite a bit faster
@@tilapiadave3234 maybe for someone that works on computers regularly. For people that do it once every 5 or 6 years I'm willing to bet other wise.
@@tilapiadave3234thats not the problem man, intel 14° cpu is more expensive, and if u want to upgrade u need to buy a whole new motherboard while on am5 you can upgrade just changing the cpu
@@luixkjkk I do understand foolish people that fall for the AMD shillll lies about motherboards ,, i can ASSURE you it is NOT illegal to change a motherboard and YEs you are even allowed to sell your motherboard / cpu and ram as a single unit and get a large proportion of your money back
wow, I was expecting the 14700k to get spanked, yet I managed to draw and even beat the 3d in MANY games.
It's also faster by 40-50% in productivity
The thing is the power draw is abysmal too. If the machine is only for gaming I would go with the 3d.
Wait you are saying 14700k better in productivity? I already ordered 14700k with Rx 7900xt. Should I buy 7800x3D instead? My goal is to play games quite good on 2k also do multitasking like opening vs code, browser, play video on 2nd monitor.
English isn't my first language. So excuse me.
@@_kiaz_ both of them are about the same for gaming, but the x3d needs much less power, its somewhat better. the 14700k does have more cores, even if worse ones (e cores) so its better for multytaksing
but it's bullshit, a opening passions for views, in fact this range of figure can be ez to control by one's mind LOL
I don't think power draw is an important metric on a gaming pc, it only matters for laptops
@@_kiaz_ Look at the 0.1% FPS numbers. The 14700K is almost 20% better in most games. AMD has always had frame dropping issues and it looks to be the same again. For gaming 14700k is clearly superior.
14th Gen is like you put a letter “S” next to a 13th Gen K-Variant
That is the idiea to is just an refresh not new gen 😅
13900kys 💀
yeah literally, would still go for it
Although I will probably wait for 15th Gen to drop, then I will build a PC
*The 14700K vs. a 13700K or a 13700KS variant have major differences for performance. The 14th gen has more E cores for smaller tasks and better multithreading. It also has better clocks, better overclocking, and tweaked better in several areas.*
@@asmongoldsmouth9839 Are you a bot?
Can you make RX 6950 XT vs RTX 4070 TI?
Yes! This is a great idea.
@@selohcin I think also RX 7800 XT OC vs RX 6950 XT stock would be great too.
@@aliertugu8475 Yeah, I agree. Even at stock, it's not far off.
if you could text on screen with resolution like 1080p or 4k would be very much appreciated, right now need to keep up your scrolling in game what resolution are
Only 1080p matters for cpu testing, since a higher resolution put more work on the gpu and less work on the cpu
Maybe search for yourself and open your eyes. Its literally in the desc.
Gaming on the 14700K is gonna feel better, frametime pacing is gonna be better as you can see even in the video and it will be very much noticeable on higher refresh rate screens.
Nonsense.
@@portman8909 common knowledge
The frametimes of the 14700K are actually worse, according to the video. Ryzen also gets higher 1% and 0.1% so it should stutter less.
@@chespin4194in most benchmarks I've seen ryzen has poorer lows than intel
no its not gonna feel anything its gonna feel same tf u talking about
Much , much better frame time on the Intel CPU .
LMAO only in Spider Man and Starfield
@@magiczny2206 Amdip entered the chat here, in starfield.
You need to have some competitive shooters because that's really the only thing you need these for if you aren't just a casual playing on higher resolutions. And you also need to add the 0.1% to the averages as that is the most important number. If 1% is better and 0.1% is worse it's just worse.
lol, so anyone who doesn't play competitive shooter is a casual? 🤦
@knollanadrianotanteo It's pretty obvious if performance doesn't matter you are a casual. Imagine not understanding such simple concept. Facepalm.
@@Raumance dude talks like his profile pic
Why advanced settings disabled in the game Rdr2??
can you please tell me how did you get those temperatures for the 14700k? what cooler you using and what voltage for the cpu in bios?
Maube 480 rad push pull and tested in cold af room
Same thoughts! Mine is much hotter than that
he couldn't, the tests are just fake extrapolated spreadsheet numbers
@@rijkaard1579 Mine doesn't run hotter than those temps in results. But it does push out hotter air than my 13600k. *kraken 360 AiO. Pretty warm chip...
your case probably sucks
Idk about newer gens but K series can usually boost clock to 125%-150% performance with good cooling.
Newer gen k series can not OC like that anymore. And even if you could, you better have a fancy cooler. The high-end gets very hot.
Does 14th Gen do memory OC better? If it can get DDR5 to 7000-8000 MT/s, does that shift the results at all?
In comparison to what? Zen 4? Then yes. Zen 4 cannot do above 6000 MT/s.
It's not uncommon to see 7000 MT/s on 13th/14th gen Intel.
Of course silicon lottery is still a thing, which is why there are 13th/14th gen around that cannot do anything about 6200 MT/s either.
@@BenTan89you are a idiot amd is supported up to 8000 now officialy on most asus boards intel isnt
Nope it does not 8000 is supported offcially on most all asus boards intel is not.
*I just built a new rig with the Asus Prime Z790 PLUS mobo and it handles DDR5 7200 ram. So, I'm running G.Skill Trident Z5 7200 CL36. I have seen many benchmarks where the difference between 6000, 7200 are massive. Usually a gain of 10%. From 7200 to 8000 though was literally 1-2 fps. The benchmark was done at 1080p, then 1440p and 4K to show all differences.*
going from good 6000 memory to good 7200 memory for intel will net you a few percent on average (2-3%).
Are you using a different Cpu cooler for them? Im wondering how can ryzen have higher temperature with lower watt?
The 3D Cache structure of the 7800x3d is a cache memory module placed on top of the CPU core. Therefore, it has disadvantageous for heat dissipation of the CPU core.
also the IHS of Ryzen 7000 CPUs are much thicker than previous AMD CPUs. that alone makes these Ryzen chips much hotter. My 7800X3D sits idle at around 50C. load around 70C
My goodness @@g3n3r41xan
answer is simple: the test is a fake, as most similar youtube tests are.
@@colorfulstring I think the heat dissipation is still better on x3d chips. CPU temps aren't straight indicator when it comes to cooling *just my guess.
I noticed that in newer titles 14700k is even or somewhat ahead
But on older titles, 7800x3d is ahead by margin
Because cores count
@@OmnianMIUtrue older games tend not to use more cores but stronger cores that's how intel always wins in the past. Now games utilizing more cores and threads. This is only in gaming btw.
@@zilverman7820 of course
Nope AC Mirage is the newest game on the list, X3D wins. Cyberpunk few years old, 14 gen wins. It actually depends on the game engine used
@@OmnianMIU E cores are a waste for gaming..so no. Its just different architectures will perform different depending on the game.
Thank you for your efforts, thank you, it is easier to assemble the system thanks to you.
glad to help, but can my life get easier here
The Ryzen 7 got absolutely wrecked in Spiderman Miles Morales game, 90fps vs 130fps is a massive difference (44%) for the 1% lows. But the 7800X3D uses less power.
Takes twice the power for 40fps more.
Wait, CPU and GPU usage are also low here, is something wrong?
unoptimized game
@@g_ecko5356 The opposite, it scales pretty well with CPUs, the i7 has more cores, threads, clocks and IPC.
@@earth2k66 сама игра очень требовательная к процессоры, у 14700 ядер больше чем 7800хт
lo mas curioso es la temperatura superior en AMD @@earth2k66
Did you limit the gpu? I don't get it. This looks like a bottleneck or a power limit. Can't truly compare those numbers.
Why is the gpu load only at around 60-70%? Also the CPU load is around 20% for Intel and 30% for and..
Are all these games limited on single thread performance or something? Would expect either CPU or GPU to be at 100% no?
old games tend to use no more than 8 cores so 7800x3d win, newer game can go beyond so 14700k with its massive 20 cores
4090 in fullhd. So you are in CPU Limit for Test
@@ricardoelectronicsrepair"Threads" not cores. No old game in history even comes close to using 8 cores. Please understand what you are talking about.
Intel cpu:
-costs more
-requires more cooling
-draws more power
-dead motherboard socket/no upgrade path
-requires much faster RAM and tuning
Yeah... no thanks
for AMD:
stability issues due to non optimised Agesa, CCD layout is terrible and also thickness of lid is immense, so they will run hotter,
AMD policy about removing warranty even if you do underclocking or undervolting or even expo officialy (for case of 7950x3D you have to underclock non 3D core clocks in bios, so games will always latch on CCD with 3D cache);
need for bios update, so you wont blow your cpu due to SoC voltage (Asus and MSI boards mainly).
You have to run Win 10, because Win 11 will slow them down.
BUT also : has larger cache, which will definitely help in games, still can be cooled with air coolers, less power draw
Everything has some disadvantiges and advantiges
@@serq891 none of those things you mentioned are an issue, just FUD spread to hate on AMD. Stability issues with AGESA were patched out in a couple months, thickness of heat spreader has no bearing on the performance as every chip will run to spec and AMD even specified the chips are designed to run at that temperature. Silicon doesn't even run into thermal degradation until ~15-20C above the design limit so no issues there - also just try running Intel on an air cooler and no 240mm+ rad (lol). There is no documented case of AMD refusing warranty due to underclocking or undervolting. Finally 7950X3D works fine with process lasso.
Of course. For example you can undervolt Intel cpu by 0,050 or even 0,075 V in vcore offset and apply thermal grizzly bracket around it, so it will really cool down.
But if you are not doing heavy CPU programs like cinnebench, blender, CAD or such, you wont even get to such high temperatures compared to gaming, where temperatures are way lower.
If you understand german, I can also point you to this video watch?v=514mX8Onxqc
That is why, if done correctly, youtube reviews of CPUs are done in 720p or 1080p so CPU is used more, and with nowadays GPU, you probably wont play on such resolution yourself, because it would be wasting money.
I presume from your statement, that you have AMD cpu, which means it should have 3D cache, If you are just gaming: also you could have 7800x3d which has only one CCD so no process lasso would be needed. If you want more "computational" power, then CPU with 3D cache wont really help with that.
You should see CPU comparisons on YT: in general programs, intel usually scores little bit higher, and in games, AMD is better with 3D cache, but only in lower resolutions.
Both sides amd and intel have lots of ways for tweaking and optimising, we could spend lots of time to searching for solutions which does exist, but are not that well known to public
I also recommend you to look for 7950x3d fix on youtube, so you can ditch lasso completely
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14700k - Consumes more power but has better cooling.
7800X3D - Consumes less power but has bad cooling due to it's thick IHS design on the chiplet. 😓
@telquin6974 Idle temps or gaming temps? Any reason why it's not idling under 40c? My i7 4790k idles at 36 - 40c.
Its not the IHS. Its the 3D cache layer on top of the cpu..acting as a heat barrier, kind of.
even if its hotter, it doesn't mean its throttling. Give it a good cooler and its gonna be fine.
Every trustful review site: 7800X3D produces around 15°C less heat than a 14700K in games or stresstests.
@@BravoSixGoingDarkgo undervolt some 0.100 mhv no performans loss and iddles at 32
Clearly Ryzen for the gaming only setup and I7 for the multitask+gaming setup, the choice is easy today.
How did you determine that 14700k is for multitasking too? I'm new to PC world so excuse me of I ask a silly question?
@@_kiaz_ Because of the number of cores, it will be overkill for most gpus. But if you are heavily multitasking (or using softs that really can use lots of cores) the more cores you have the better. The 14700K has both many and fast cores. It's beaten by the AMD on pure gaming (not that far) but it largely beats it on multitasking/core needing softs (Blender, compression, editing etc).
@@dirtyandnasty9011 I am planning to build a new PC with this CPU. I do mostly coding, while opening 2,3 tabs on browser also play something on YT on my third monitor. So, I'm good with this CPU right? Also My GPU is going to be RX 7900XT. I hope I can play some games above 100 fps on 2k
Definitivamente mucho mejor el rizen 7 para juegos, no solo por mayor catidad de FPS en promedio, si no por el consumo mas eficiente.
Pero la plataforma está llena de bugs y lo que no consume en gaming el Amd lo consume en reposo
Y más barato
Los promedios no importan, es la estabilidad lo mas importante o la curva del frametime. Mira el juego de Spiderman con el 1% de fps y la ventaja monstruosa que lleva el Core i7.
Exacto, en low fps ryzen la palma y encima en multi-tasking el i7 le pega una paliza
@@John-t5q4h El i7 es de un nicho muy pequeño de personas.
in Australia the prices are damn near identical.
same with canada, its 50 dollar difference. just decided to go with intel cuase my i7 4790 is 10 years old and still does decent considering
Looks like much of a muchness. The frame rates are so damn similar and the playability is the same. Just a shame there aren't so many decent titles these days. Boils down to price but you'll never convince a hard-core AMD fan to go Intel and vice versa. We all have our favourites, but the most interesting thing is the mid level CPUs and GPUs are pulling up the ranks. You expect top end gear to perform, but nothing like building a cheap system that punches above its weight. Good video comparison though.
Currently, the only advantage that Intel has is it's Big.little design using P&E-Cores.
The industry is slowly moving towards optimizing Software to effectively utilize the Big.little design, and this would increase more once AMD releases their own Big.little design CPU's (stated to come with Ryzen 9000 series based on rumors).
Once that design becomes common place, then older CPU's which are not based on that design would suffer a lot as support for them would be phased out forcing people to buy new systems (just like Microsoft tried to force many to buy new PC to change to Win 11).
While this won't affect those who are frequent Buyers or Upgraders to new tech.
It would affect those who buy PC for long-term usage (aka., those who buy PC once and don't bother either upgrading or buying new PC unless something fails or the whole system becomes unusable).
WAAAAA
No they are not similar. Look at the 0.1% FPS. That is the most important number. Dropped frames. 14700k is almost 20% better in most games. It's massively better.
8 cores in 2023? If you have multiple monitors and want to keep tabs and other programs open Intel is a no brainer...
Feel like gaming and discord are hand in hand. I agree completely
You can do that with 8 cores.. lol.
8 cores is enough lol, unless you are doing hard productivity tasks
and what does that have to do with 8 cores? 2-3 cores is enough for that lol
RTX 4090 for 1080p that's crazy... My broke ass is crying.
And which processor is better in RPCS3 emulator and other emulators?
Something no one talks about. Id say the Intel does better on emulation. Since those apps run more like production apps as opposed to a game and Intel does better on productivity apps than AMD x3d chips
From what've seen/read on the internet, Intel seems to do better when it comes to emulation, especially RPCS3. There's this TSX instruction option on the CPU tab settings, I've watched many videos of people enabling that and testing demanding games ( such as GOW 3, The last of Us) and they run so smoothly. Honestly I'm upgrading soon and it's gonna be an I-7 13700k. It's a lot cheaper than 14700k where I live, and in my case it will definitely be a huge upgrade since I'm still using a R7 3700x
Intel for simulation and emulation games
tried w amd phenom before and it run just fine
sorry but can someone enlighten me? im a noob. All i can tell is the FPS difference between 2 CPUs. Overall Ryzen 7 7800X3D has better FPS.
What does that imply? Higher FPS means better CPU?
Yes... Exactly
@@ziyansanmgr2509 Thank you
For software and work Intel is much better
intel is stupid for this they ruining all the goodwill they got from 12 and 13th gen being better value for money especially for budget builds
Intel is Intel , slimiest and money grab dirty company , you give them an inch they take a mile ,
Watch when Intel on top it will be 100 x worse .
Need help.. on a 5900x w/ RTX 4080 and looking to upgrade. Which CPU would you overall prefer between these 2 tested?
I7 14700k any day of the week, for more stability and a more complete gpu for other stuff other than gaming
@@John-t5q4h interesting.. nice to see someone rep for Intel side.
I think you have a valid argument with the iGPU for sure.
@@CastIronEric to be honest, amd supporters could easily roast me as my points are too simplistic.
I'm developing a pc component in depth guide as an amateur pc enthusiast, where I explain it in more detail in case you're interested.
Point is, Ryzen are generally cheaper and offer better performance in gaming and less power usage, but run hotter. I don't give 2 craps about power usage anyway, 140w vs 60w ain't nothing.
Also, am5 motherboards that run amd chips will provide further gen upgrades like zen 5, whereas lga1700 obos end at 14th gens.
Nevertheless, if your budget ain't mega tight and you don't mind running 20 fps slower on some games, I recommend the 14700k.
Runs cooler, more stable in low fps and crushes the 7800x in productivity tasks.
"but most people do no productivity other than basics bla bla..." I tell you, while gaming with discord open, Google tabs, steam and other stuff going in the background you'll thank me you got those extra cores. But hey, no expert here.
Pro tip. Use a thermalright steel frame for your processor and ditch the stock motherboard clipper. Way better temps and no cpu bending over time.
You're aware you need to check if your mobo is compatible with your selected cpu model right?
@@John-t5q4h haha, I actually already went with the b650e-i and 7800x3d
7800x3d top👍
Mmmh i don't think so. Sometimes is better, but in newer titles is better 14700k, because have too much cores and higher frequency
@@OmnianMIUjust starfield and spiderman. Starfield is an optimization mess, you couldn't count it
@BWD87 frequency doesnt matter as much as ipc and vcache
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@@OmnianMIUJust 2 games and is about optimization, higher frequency and cores is not everything, just look the Xeon processors.
a lot of people seem to be saying the AMD cpu is better but if you look at the readouts you'll notice that the AMD has a higher utilisation rate compared to the intel cpu,
Good point didn’t even notice however power consumption is too crazy for intel
Consider that cpu is quite older and it was directly opposing the 13th gen of intel cpu. Also 7800x3d is 8 cores 16 threads and 14700k is 20 cores (8p12e) and 28 threads. the difference is staggeringly low looking at specs alone and even as a longtime intel person myself i wish i researched it earlier because the socket compatibility for Ryzen is nothing to sneeze at. You are guaranteed to be able to run several gens of Ryzens without needing to change mobo only occasional bios flash to new version.
It really means nothing, if you are thinking about multitasking, multitasking is not about utilization CPU. It has higher utilization because it can give you more FPS. That’s why
Man, is it fine 14700k with temperatures?
bro the temperature of r7 is 10c higher than i7 in almost every game
What is your bios setting for 7800x3d?
*Super happy with my 14700K*
*I compile 4K videos that are 30 minutes in no time flat.*
Quais temperaturas ele chega ? Estou com um 14700k e so cola nos 100°. Nao sei mais o que fazer para esfriar esse carinha
id like to reconvert my vids
@@MUCABRASIL-ku8pq Intel has explicitly stated that it consumes 253W of power. Anyone with basic knowledge of computers would know that amount of power will produce a lot of heat. This CPU needs a minimum of 360 AIO liquid cooler. Basic requirement.
Brazil prices: i7 14700KF + Z790 = 7800X3D +B650. Which one should I choose ??? (X670 is 100% more expensive than b650 in south america, nobody knows why, the x670 its been phased out by the manufacturers because nobody can buy, b650 around 400 USD and x670 around 800 USD)
Starfield is.....interesting(?)
Edit: Miles, WTF?!
you made a mistake with rdr2. the reason it ran poorly on the intel machine, is because you tested it on the vulkan api. dx 12 uses more cores and the performance is better overall. just know to do dx 12 for every dx 12 game in the future. other than that, intel's 14th gen is better in some titles, while ryzen 7 7800x3d is better in other titles. you can especially see this in AMD sponsored titles like Jedi Survivor. AMD wins in terms of power draw and heat, but Intel's cpu is better for Render Engines, projects, and Windows stuff in general. If you only play video games and browse the web, then you should always go with the 7800x3d
Hard battle here. In some titles 14700k is better, in other 7800x3d is better. We have an awasome choise of cpus in market and they are all awasome cpus! Nice competition!
The 14700k is about 15% more expensive though. With what, double the power consumption? Other than that both great cpus.
@@Muldeeer
14700k yes 15% more expensive
but Almost Double multi core performance
@@Muldeeer peoples in the world use pc not for only gaming. 14700k outperform 7800x3d by 100% or so in rendering performance!
@@OmnianMIU agreed. i rather spend 15% more and have it all than save a few bucks and be limited on 1 side or the other. Since gaming performance is so close, i rather spend the 15% extra so my build can have best of both worlds for all tasks my pc will do. Electricity costs is not a deciding factor since the costs of electricity is not that high it will turn into thousands per year but rather mayby add 10-20 euro per month to my energy bill if even that.
If i can build a system worth thousants of euro's, i can spend the 10-20 euro per month extra on electricity to run it.
@@ronniebots9225 of course bro
Performance is almost tie, but thermal is a big issue if you concern about fan noise, especially when you use mini itx case. If testing is honest, 14700k is definitely choise, temp is much better even consump more watt
Take a look at power usage. Almost double !!
Yes but, take a look at temp in relation to pwr consumtpion
@@OmnianMIU no one give a f about temp, more power more electric bill for intard fanboi lmao
X3D CPU always gets 5~10c higher than regular CPU. It is just fine. Power consumption is a key benefit !!!@@OmnianMIU
@@OmnianMIUI would choise half the power consumption to take 5-10 coolness 😂
@@OmnianMIU I can assure you, temps measurement for the 14700k are completely wrong, this thing can go up to 80-85° on a 3x fans AIO in game !
Somethings not right about these results. In several of the games both the GPU & CPU % were significantly higher on the ryzen card. On flight sim the GPU % on the intel side is 56% compared to 82% on the AMD. Looking at the CPU % it's the same thing with the intel using 16% while the amd is using 29%. Obviously slight differences are expected but these numbers are way off. What is shows is the AMD CPU is working twice as hard and utilizing 40% more of the 4090. Something in the settings is affecting these results
It’s cuz many games can’t use right E-core basicly they are useless. I have 13600kf and for example in FarCry 5 usage is 21% and many other games I can’t pass 30% of usage, I realized that Cyberpunk only at this time added option for Intel called „Hybrid” or only use P-Core. Basicly in Cyberpunk usage of my CPU is 60%.
Whats the point of launching 14th gen if it offers same performance as 13th?
It's to make dumb fanboys happy and grab their money , lol .
Intel fanboys haven't been happy for while , every new gen give them hope so they sleep bit better , most are bitter for last 5 years .
🤑
Intel just wanted to launch its new MB with new sockets that's why
For ppl not on 13th gen
*Who told any of you the 14th gen performs the same as 13th gen? I hope you didn't pay the individual for that info. Otherwise, you need a refund. More E cores, better clock speeds, better overclocking, and other benefits. A 13700K vs 14700K has major FPS performance differences.*
why amd cpu so spiky on the graph in forza horizon 5? i noticed spikes like that too,why is that
because amd is not as steady in games as intel no matter what they tell you
I would go for the i7 for those 12 extra efficniency ecores. You may not think it matters for Gaming. And on these benchmark channels it truly does not. But when you got an antivirus, 3 chorme tabs, discord, cloud service backing up data in the background, along with other stuff, the higher core count CPU will be smoother in game, no question about it
I have a 13600K and keep the e-cores disabled. I notice no difference even playing CP2077 and a bunch of other stuff open in the background. The e-cores end up being a liability because they push package power up a great deal so you're hitting power and temp limits sooner.
@@Benz93x Why would I say something specifically mentioning power and temp limits if I didn't test it? The mind boggles.
@@LilMissMurder3409 I have an i5-13600K and I have a 10-15% increase in multitasking + gaming simultaneously with e-cores enabled, and a small 5% improvement in gaming if e-cores disabled and everything else except the game is open.
My CPU does not go past 80c while trying to fry it with a benchmark for half an hour. I am using a budget $50 CPU air cooler, the Deepcool AG500, and I have 30c room temperature right now. So if you are hitting 100c = temp limit and thus throttling, then that CAN be fixed to unleash the full power of your CPU + greatly increase its lifespan. The guilty are not the e-cores.
1st = LGA1700 motherboards overvolt the i5-13600K by default, and the CPU has no innate voltage controller like 14th gen refresh after it. Basically the CPU is receiving 20-40% more voltage, increasing 20-40% more its power and temperature draw, for literally 0% performance gain, that is right, absurd. This can be fixed thankfully, google any undervoltage guide for 13th gen Intel, which is literally just access bios and find the option, while every CPU can be undervolted up to a different amount without performance drop, the i5-13600K consistently can always reduce its draw by 20%, which is exactly what Intel enforced with the voltage controller in the identical i5-14600K that followed it. Easy 15c-30c drop.
2nd = LGA1700 motherboards came with a buckling rounding defect which makes the CPU not have an even surface, which makes it NOT contact the CPU cooler properly, which skyrockets temperatures at times. Thankfully, this can be solved either buying a later 2023 motherboard for new builders, and for olders, just buying this www.amazon.com/-/es/Thermalright-Intel-antiflexi%C3%B3n-generaci%C3%B3n-instalaci%C3%B3n/dp/B0B9WHQ7VL?th=1 or similar from other companies more than solves it, it even comes with high quality thermal paste. People reports temperature drops from 10c to 25c at times.
3rd = Your PC case likely has some serious flaw on its airflow, like fans not spining the direction they should or so. I have meet people which were hitting temp limits right away and it was always some poorly handled PC case cooling, like having an outflow fan directly to a wall or so. My PC case just has 3 fans running at 30% its power, so it is hardly a topic of upping noise or budget, so make sure to make some quick fact checking if everything is moving as it should.
4th = I doubt it is the case but if you paired the CPU with a motherboard without VRM (rectangles near the CPU that acts as low power fans), yeah, it is going to be tough to keep it cool. Will need to up the CPU cooler budget to make up for it.
I have 13490f, the e-cores is a trash. More of them won't help anyhow. Imagine they are not there. One normal core beats them altogether. Altogether. If you seek a power efficiency, you won't find. It will be like 3 watts. Intel only even started to develop a software for them. But it's so bad that even them had to lock it only to few new processors.
For gaming my PC is focused in games, all software like backup's, chrome, word office etc is closed, so AMD win
Intel’s 13th gen. Raptor Lake CPUs offer around 10% faster gaming and 45% faster multi-core performance than their predecessors. The new CPUs are compatible with DDR4 memory and Z690/B660 ($150) motherboards. New high-end gaming builders need look no further than the 13600K. The 13600K beats AMD’s flagship 7950X in gaming and almost matches the 7900X in multi-core performance. Huh Cpu Benchmark? Really?
30% less power consumption on the R7. For me there is no competition. If I were to buy/build a system now I would go for AMD CPU/APU.
Thanks for the video.
30% less power consumption but still runs hotter than Intel. Oof.
@@OC.TINYYY It doesn't really matter, though I do agree it would be better if the temps were lower. Perhaps a better CPU cooler would help.
@@OC.TINYYYBecause Zen 4 IPC is lower than Alder Lake.
30% less power demanding because is like 62% less powerful overall.
@@OC.TINYYYthe IHS on ryzen 7000 is ass, that's why
Its a joke . A lot of films showed that x3d is better in 90% of games . This video shows eveythink different
While 7800X3D consumes less power than 14700K does, it gets hotter than 14700K.
Right. IHS of ryzen am5 is literally garbage
A small undervolt, problem fixed
@@BornInArona14700K can also be undervolted.
@@osardegozar2581 sure, but then the 7800x3d has still the advantage. But now even cooler and less power consumption :)
@@BornInArona If 14700K is also undervolted, it will run cooler also. If both are undervolted to the same extent, the temperature difference is likely to remain the same. Why do you think undervolting a 7800X3D reduces its temperature so much as to make it run cooler than a similarly undervolted 14700K?
Anyway, unless you actually undervolt both CPUs and check the resulting temperature of each, nothing definitive can be said about whether this temperature difference can be reduced or even eliminated or not.
How come your CPU temperature for Ryzen way higher than GamersNexus ?
60-65 is normal for x3d CPU I'm using liquid cooler and still getting 65 on most of the games
my 14700k runs cooler then my 7800x3d don't listen to the media
@@AphillyatedYT nevermind about my comment. That was 9 months ago anyway.
Literally almost all tech RUclipsrs have revealed that Intel faked their CPU temperature reporting within the CCD itself.
Have you seen that LevelOneTech and Gamers Nexus report about 14700K have staggering different temperature between what's reported on the screen (like using HWID or MSI Afterburner etc) compared to Thermal camera ?
So anyway all reports about 14700k running hot while the temperature readings says "normal temperature" is not a joke anymore.
No wonder those CPUs are failing on its own to the point where Game Devs themselves rant about it
@@AphillyatedYT and I bet you don't even have Thermal Camera anyway and you wrote your comment based on what you've seen on the screen based on temperature reporting system. Those are lies
The 7800x3d is amazing regarding gaming performance vs power usage metric. The 4700k is very close though in gaming and it has some wins in newer titles. But apart from gaming, the 7800x3d will get slaughtered in productivity so the 14700k is better overall cpu for all types of workloads. Still the 3d v-cache technology is awesome and Intel should implement it in the nearest time possible
7800x3D is also cheaper
4700k
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Damn Intel was leagues ahead decade ago
@@adamadamx5464 Not by enough to warrant it over the 14700K. The 14700K is massively better overall.
@@benjamind547 many things not considering 14700k performs better with ddr5 7200 while 7800x3d with 6000 CL30 which is cheaper also not to mention with the 14700K power draw you are going to need a much better cooler and possible a better power supply so yeah overall the 7800x3d is cosiderably cheaper plus power consumption is a lot less when gaming
@@CarlosFernandez-qk1kj Power consumption is less on a 7800X3D, sure. But the 3D Cache on a 7800X3D is very sensitive to heat. There's also RAM stability issues with the X3D still, although it won't affect everybody.
I bought an i7 14700k. Do you think I will have problems playing at a limited 60 fps and 2k resolution? Taking into account the current problems of the 14th gen.
Intel fixed all problems. Sleep well
@@МонголоТатарин no they don't.
The Intel micro-code update was only Hard-limiting the voltage while also at the cost of performance.
Check out Gamers Nexus investigation on this
till now intel 12th to 14th gens i7 and i9 are still 8/16 which the fact I don't like because of using ecore to cover and act they have more cores but actually still 8..
Sure look at cyberpunk. They utilize all cores and not even cache advantages can exceed it. All you guys says its only a few games, yeah for now. When consoles have 8 cores, pc games usually consumes 2 or more to be optimized. Buy the x3d now and upgrade every release while intel users chilln coz they have more cores.
@@justanobody4983neutered cores at that efficient cores they are not intel shot there selves in the foot amd next chip 32 full cores just like the new threadripper
@@JoeMama-yl1ow lol you think amd will jump from 8 cores to 32 cores? Keep dreaming amd fanboi.
the children needs to understand the ryzen is only for gaming where intel can perform better in productivity and gaming. My first cpu was ryzen 5600x which a monster in gaming but when i grew up and started thinking about earn money online by doing like freelancing video editing etc. it doesnt perform that well. And now i am using i7 14700k which killed in both productivity and gaming.
That’s why you should look up for a CPU that’s good for your using
i know 7800x3d is better for gaming but i would still buy the 14700k because i feel it is overall a better cpu for the same money
lol
KEK
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dude called us poor making $50 diff the same money.
Feelings are for beta cucks
7800x3d and 14700k are the same performance and price but the i7 has more cores so it just better in genera but for gaming it’s the same
I’m currently in college and do a good amount of studying and planning on building a pc. I’m really new to the scene. I’m planning on gaming around 3-5 hours depending on my workload for school. Should I go for 7800x3d or i7-14700k?
What is exactly your school workloads?
buy the cheapest one. Or you can even buy 12700k and call it a day it should be enough
7800X3D + Deepcool AG620 cooler.
Only go for the i7-14700K if you know what are you doing since it is very hard to cool and its superior performance outside gaming is irrelevant if you are not doing works that requires it.
@@MsNyara Why would you recommend them a CPU that wouldn’t help them as much as the other? If they do a “fair bit of studying” Intel is clearly the better pick. It’s not “irrelevant” at all if it’s beneficial.
I study too. Languages too and like to have tabs open. Intel is clearly better, esp since they’re both close enough in performance anymore. Plus, Intel stays cooler consistently.
AMD is still sad. Say spiderman is optomized mess but intel is 40fps faster. In games that are faster with AMD they still run good on Intel. Red dead is the only game that runs little better on AMD.
330 for i7 ??? :D :D wtf
why are you testing them in 1080p😫
It really amazes me that the 7800X3D is cheaper, faster and more power efficient on pratically all results.
Despise having to change your memories to DDR5 as well with the upgrade, the bonus is that you can activate SAM with a RX 7000 GPU and gain some extra 10~20% performance.
Time for 14700k. Much better overall, and gaming on same level like 7800x3d. Only 20$ more in my country.
Where is a 14700K $300?
And a 7800x3d at 370$? 😂😂😂
@@OmnianMIU i got my 14700k for inly 280 at micro lol much better deal and runs better in games then my 7800x3d i really think its all political
@AphillyatedYT same for me. I think 14700k is way future proof then 7800x3d
but why userbebnchmark says intel is better
Cause userbenchmark is bullshit and they are biased by Intel. They will talk bullshit about AMD even if AMD will be better. This site should be banned, read in Reddit posts about this site and don’t go to this site anymore
7800X3D is significantly hotter even though it uses half the wattage. So if you care about temps, don't get a 3D chip. Actually, all of 7000 series runs super hot even at idle.
14700K or even the 13700K is the much better overall chip w/ more headroom to gain performance on top of thrashing the 7800X3D in everything outside of gaming.
Ryzen 9 7900X and 7950X are better than the 14700K and 13700K by the perfomance per watt alone and productivity can be stronger, you have all 12 or 16 perfomance cores.
This is worser than the iPhone 15 launch, the 4060 and 4060 Ti launch and the 7800 XT launch. They're all just software updates.
Lol, 7800xt worst ?????? Dude it's sold out everywhere and best GPU for $500 what are you smoking ?????
@@skywalker1991 I meant the performance gain from 6800 XT
Lol. All those stating 7800x3d is king clearly only pay attention to one thing which is fps. Look at the GPU and CPU utilization. Clearly tells a very different story when you look at CPU and GPU utilization. The 14700k is not being used to it's full potential in any game at all. 7800x3d is an amazing chip but not better performance wise then the 14700k when it comes head to head at full utilization of the CPU. 7800x3d is best at efficiency for sure though.
why the games did not utilize Intel 14700k very good?
because current games aren't designed to take advantage of Intel's hybrid tech with P and E cores. games like CP2077 and Starfield take advantage of the higher core and thread count and they perform better on the 14th gen intel with the latest updates.@@hamadax97
@@Kobe4Life2424 I got a quad core i3 cpu that runs at 95% utilization in games, by your logic it's better than 14th gen😂😂
@@EX0007 nah that just means your cpu can barely keep up with your gpu. and your cpu is the bottleneck here. have fun with your logic. 🤣🤣
@@Kobe4Life2424 My logic lmao.. you brought up cpu utilization saying gaming performance will be improved if the cpu is running at 100% and I gave you an example with an i3 to show you how wrong and incredibly stupid you sound... "when it comes head to head at full utilization of the CPU" ..I don't know where you heard that better gaming performance is determined by full cpu utilization, that is one of the most false dumb and ignorant statements I ever heard🤣🤣🤣Even an overclocked and fully power unlocked i9 14900ks couldn't beat the 7800x3d in gaming but keep huffing that copium with your "full potential" and utilization crap if it helps you sleep at night🤣🤣
Damn, Intel is back
7800X3D is a beast!
nah, it's a bullshit, just fake figure to lie views lol
More gpu usage on the 7800x???? What settings are you using? Why is the gpu helping AMD more the Intel?
GPU with AMD is more loaded because the 7800X3D sends more Draw Calls, in other words, it is more performance.
because the media lies when they are a fan of a company my intel 14700k runs cooler then my amd 7800x3d build and gets the same performance
X3D just good at 1080p. I would defently chose 14700K every day. You can undervolt it with ease and have same efficency.
And not to mention it runs much cooler. 3D chips run hotter regardless of the wattage it pulls. Not good for people who want good temps.
@@OC.TINYYYyeah, un 1440p i7 is better also cpu ussage way less
Lol and if you undervolt the 7800X3D it s still way way more efficient ;-)
@@OC.TINYYY with a decent cooler you get great temps 50 c on load wouldn t call that hot ;)
I don't know, can someone explain to me how this works? Where do the differences in FPS come from, if the processor has a problem with something, it shouldn't run at 100%. In the recording, both processors run at 60% why?
It's called Game Engine limitation.
99% of all video games in existence on PC are never designed to use more than 12 CPU Threads.
Which means 6 CPU Cores with 12 Threads are actually working at 99% utilization, while other Cores are handling other background tasks including MSI Afterburner overlay itself.
So when 12 Threads at 99% usage, the other threads could be very low, so MSI Afterburner will just Sum it and showing the Average usage percentage.
You can see it manually if you turn on "Show each individual Threads usage" then you will see 12 Threads at 99% usage while other Threads at 5% usage.
Now, when it comes to the difference between the performance of Intel vs AMD, while both technically utilize only 12 Threads in most games, AMD has 3D-VCache. Which means the electrons have shorter travel distance between each cores and L3 Cache back and forth.
Basically Intel still using regular L3 Cache Horizontal topology design in the past 25 years, so the more Cores you put on a CPU, the more distance between all P Cores to the L3 Cache.
3D-VCache solved it by putting L3 Cache Vertically on top of the Cores itself, therefore shorter distance.
Should I play game while plugged in or out?
What I don't understand is the use of the processor in some games. Does AMD have more % use than Intel with the same fps?
Intel has more cores but most are efficiency cores which sre used in non gaming applications making lower idle temps
Has Intel's cpu's have been tested with their 125w tdp enforced? There are options in the motherboard that allows to lift all power limits, let your motherboard control the cpu or enforce the 125 tdp profile. AMD is on fire
Você não consegue ver a informação de C. Pwr na tela em Cyberpunk por exemplo?
Intel CPUs get choked tf out if you limit their power. With zen4 you can limit it to eco mode and it'll draw 40% less power and give you 95% performance. On Intel that same 40% power drop loses 20% performance.
lol.... the only way that will happen is when someone pairs one of these CPUs with a cooler like the Hyper 212 on an ultra cheap H610 board. Most, if not all of these z690 & z790 board ignore these lower PL1 power limits right out of the box.
With new windowd 11 update it would be interesting
KEK AMD slaughtered the intel cow 🤣🤣🤣
Amd extremely unstable and heat and bad software and poor company than Nvidia. Intel CPU cheaper. Intel is quality product. Amd pigs are dead 😂🤡
"slaughtered"
You don't seem to notice that 7800x3d is even or somewhat losing in newer titles, that isn't even slaughtering
@@dinamo7485 He’s using an air cooler, plus the X3D Vcache is right on top of the cores.
I use a 360mm liquid cooler
@@OneFreeMan17 keep in your mind IHS of ryzen am5 is not good. Infact you can notice an higher temp on ryzen 7000 with lower pwr consumption
@@OmnianMIU Seems normal to me 🤷♂️
Core i7 14700K vs Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs RYZEN 7 5800X3D
7800x3d vs 7900x please 🙏
are the R7 7800X3D stock or OC ??
Look how hot those AMD cpus run. In The Last of Us test, the Intel cpu was running 20 degrees celcius cooler with the same fps 😂.
Look how much power those Intel cpus consume. In The Last of Us test, the Intel cpu was consuming nearly double the power with the same fps 😂.
Yeah the 100% more power consumption in some cases is really terrible lol, AMD wins by a large margin.
@@EX0007 4W idle as long as you want to run your PC. 30K R23 vs 20K world record 7800x3d.
ppl just see the FPS but doesnt look the CPU usage ☠
cpu usage is dependent on core count. i7 has more cores (lots of e-cores) that are unused in gaming leading to a lower overall use.
Yeah 50% and 35% is soooo different… sarcasm
Can’t wait to buy a 7800x3d
But wht should i do i wanna do productivity task and gaming which CPU should i Pick??
i7
But it good for Editing Everywhere i7 14700k and ryzen 7 7800x3d is More Fps Only i7 you can game smoothly and editing quality Its to nice
It really depends on programs that you will use. Both processors can do productivity task, but look at hat programs do you use and then look at the bechmarks. It’s not black and white that some people thinks
better performance with 60% of power consumption, 7800x3d is a clear winner here
why are you testing intel with 6000mhz ram... weak sauce
I'm glad that i purchased the 7800X3D
Are you satisfied with your purchase?
@@امیرمحمدقاسمی-ن6ظ yes obviously
@@امیرمحمدقاسمی-ن6ظ yes absolutely
Something is very wrong with spider man
i wud still say 7800x3d becs of am5 and future upgradablity becs intel 15th gen might require different socket
It makes no sense to upgrade a high end cpu for at least 4 or 5 years
It only makes sense like if u get a 7600x and then you can upgrade to the latest am5 x3d
But otherwise no
Какой глупец будет обновляться с 14700K на 15 поколение? Платформа берётся лет на 5 минимум
Surprising the 7800X3D struggling in Spider-Man: MM.
Actually it's solved long time ago via game Updates.
Check out other video with more recent upload for Spiderman MM. Ryzen on par with Intel now.
Удивительно то на сколько высокую производительность при меньшем энергопотреблении можно получить с помощью ЦП AMD!
Чего удивительного? АМД делает вещи очень крутые частенько. Особенно если не обзоры смотреть, а самому проверять, то интел уже несколько лет не топ.
Но странно почему амд так сильно нагревается 🤔
@@dmitrydmitriev2623 термоинтерфейс и крышка плохо передают тепло (мое мнение)
@@ArTuRkrut13 а да, там же у амд меньше нанометров в итоге труднее отводить тепло из одной мелкой области нагрева
10 years ago:
AMD: Intel is expensive.
Intel: AMD consumes lots of power.
Now:
AMD: Intel consumes lots of power.
Intel: AMD is expensive.
The i7 14700k is very impressive, it offers very similar gaming performance and has better productivity stats than the 7800x3d, think ill go with the i7.
My friend if you are into gaming go with the 7800X3D and also you'll be able to upgrade too without changing the MB
@@thishallakshan7410 unfortunately, the 7800x3d is trash when it comes to production work, I appreciate its gaming performance, its fantastic, but I do 3d, editing work along side gaming.
Don't forget that there are still 3 more generations for the AM5 while the i7/i9 is at the platform's limit.
@@thishallakshan74107800x3d is 2 times worse at productivity load than the i7
And it is ahead like 10% on 1080P
At 2k and 4k the differrnce doesnt t exist
So the i7 is the much better choice
@@leandromorais1584am5 boards are more expensive and for that extra $100-200 you pay in future you’ll will get a whole new motherboard with latest usb and pcie gen with a better reliability and warranty