I am a RN. I worked for our last inpatient psychiatric facility in our county before it was closed down back in 2008. It was a locked, guarded community setting for individuals that greatly needed it. It housed well over 300 people year round. When it closed our local hospitals, emergency rooms, jails, homeless shelters and other facilities were completely overran with patients we simply could NOT manage. Period. People fail to realize that your average mentally unwell patient takes 3 times the resources than a medically ill patient does. But the state doesn’t staff healthcare workers appropriately to accommodate that. It’s absolutely devastating to see some of the sh*t I’ve seen over the last 2 decades. To have to literally discharge someone from the hospital to the woods bc they’ve burned their bridges at every single facility there is. Our country has a severe mental health crisis and it just sucks and keeps getting worse as time goes on. It costs WAY more money to manage these folks like it is now, than it did to keep those inpatient facilities open…so for government agencies to claim budget issues is a huge crock of crap.
As long as money to fund weapons and international war efforts are more important than anything else, this will continue to be a very serious problem leading to more incurred expenses in other services, here in Canada too. Further, those exact resources should be available for returning veterans.
That cold open was like a full story on its own. I was like, wait what? Oh this video is over an hour long. Awesome! And I love the lil psych out I got from the opening.
@@OneBentMonkeybeing born in 81 the effects of his trickle down economics is just now being mentioned is crazy¡ He what the GOP of today strives to be¡ 🍊🤡💩🤑
My father was a very loving, caring family man. He treated his psychiatric patients with the same compassion as he did his loved ones. Everyone in our family felt (were) blessed to have him with us for as long as we did. That being said, one conversation I had with him that sticks in my mind is when I expressed a desire to go into the mental health field when I was deciding on my major in college. I had ambitions of helping people with problems and hoped to be a provider of comfort and wisdom like he had always been. Ultimately, in our discussion he told me that the the people that need the most help, often cannot be helped. This was the first time in my life talking with him that I felt discouraged and also realized his frustration with his work. As sad as it seemed, It was very insightful advice. It is worth mentioning that this was during the early Reagan Years and now the connection has been made for me. What you do is exceptional.
I’ve listened to every episode of Monsters since discovering the series almost two years ago, and I have to say this is by far your best work. I loved the way you included the tidbits about Kemper’s killings that were happening simultaneously, as well as the interactions between the two killers behind bars. I’ve been a true crime fan for a long time and I’m extremely surprised I’d never heard about Mullins before this, especially because I’ve listened to several about Kemper and Mullins has never been mentioned in any of them. Top notch work on this one. What a wild ride.
Many people get stuck on this concept! As if understanding the motivations and triggers some how excuses the behaviour. It absolutely does not excuse it - it helps us to understand the WHY. Which then allows us to make informed choices on any decisions moving forward eg. Drug or alcohol rehabilitation, specialist counselling, relocation, sentence length, treatment plans etc. I appreciate your comment!
It's incredible how even after all the documentaries I've seen about Ed Kemper, part of his story being told through a different lens that doesn't focus on him as the main character still manages to elicit shock and uncover new information. I'd never heard of the psychiatrist being left alone in a room with Ed for seven minutes despite the panic button being pressed... terrifying.
Ed Kemper is one of the most fascinating serial killers I've looked into(audhd, PTSD,amsiety,insomnia, ECT) and I have a thing for true crime. The show mind hunters has one of the best profiles of him I feel like...might not be 100% word for word but it shows his character and a deeper emotional(childhood neglect and abuse) side of him ...and I don't mean to excuse his horrendous acts or glorify them, it's just the psychology that is so interesting to look for and learn about. I think that those of us who have been through abuse and trauma get so into true crime because it shows a logical and tangible reason behind the monsters that harm others, but also teaches us red flags to look for. Sorry for the tangent, I'm sick and spending NYE quarantining lol
I would suggest getting a degree in psychology and offering to the field your ideas and suggestions. Just got my masters in psychology and heading on to the phd. I am sure hoping I can help
The ability you have to make me laugh hysterically while hearing details of heinous crimes is a true gift sir. I live for the shade you drop in here and there. Ooookayyyy 😂
I usually click on your videos without checking the length, after 8 minutes in I was confused because the story sounded like it was over and to my surprise
I'm so happy we get a super long episode this time as I always eat them up immediately. Herbert sounds like as if he was actually in love with his friend who passed away but might not have known yet that he was gay/bi and his death trouble him more than anything else.
I had no idea about him doing the little “experiments” on Herbert…I almost caught myself being like “oh, he’s being nice” but then I quickly snapped back like WAIT A MINUTE that’s not right 😂😂
Honestly, Kemper was a monster beyond any description. However, I find it interesting to listen to his perspectives and his personal insight as to why he did what he did. Does that excuse anything he did? Nope. But between Bundy and Kemper, they’re definitely insights that help explain other future monsters. However, it is truly horrendous to hear him calmly recount what he did and why.
I used to think Kemper was one of the most terrifying people on earth. Until I saw how pathetically thirsty for admiration and credit he is. He's still scary, but damn he's annoying. Watch his interviews. He wants cred for being "extra smart". Loser.
If you ever listen to him speak he’s very intelligent and self aware. I would have genuinely enjoyed a conversation with him if I didn’t know he was a serial killer
Incredible channel. I hope you know how gifted your work truly is. Thank you!!! Never stop trying so hard to getting better and better with what you produce. I notice with every video you post. Wow!!!!
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Mullin was obviously insane. This is one of the cases in which I struggle to understand how anyone could think that the defendant was sane. I mean...if this dude wasn't insane, who is? I know that he tried to not leaving any traces in some of his crimes, but that doesn't mean he was sane and knew that what he had done had been wrong. It can easily be explained by him understanding that most people wouldn't believe that he had been on an important mission to save millions of lives by "sacrificing" some lives. Some schizophrenic people do understand that their delusional beliefs will not be shared and appreciated by other people, while they still firmly believe in them to be true.
Insane in legal terms isn't the same as in medical terms. Yes, Mullin was a certifiable nutcase, but he was declared sane because he knew that what he was doing was wrong. He just considered it necessary because otherwise God would destroy California or some shit.
The legal construct of the insanity defense in many states is that you have to be so fucked up in the head that you didn’t know that what you were doing was wrong. The courts tend to interpret any attempt to cover up your crimes or evade the police as proof of (legal) sanity. Also, in a lot of cases if someone gets NGBRI they will be released from the hospital if they are ever deemed sane, so juries are reluctant to use it in the case of heinous murderers. Obviously, that’s a flawed definition of insanity, because you end up with people like herbert mullin and richard chase, who were BONKERS FOR YONKERS in gen pop in prison. They really oughtta l change it so that if you are so psychotic you’re in narnia, you get sentenced to a hospital forever.
100% agree with this. It’s easy to be disgusted with his crimes, however after watching the whole video this man was absolutely insane. Undoubtedly drug uses added fuel to the fire, but he was so far removed from reality it’s hard to view him as a tradition “monster”.
Yeah...I mean if some guy cleaned up all his fingerprints and what not because he didn't want the CIA giving his information to the lizard people, are we going to say he's sane? Sometimes insane people behave in rational ways for irrational reasons. They're still insane. They're just more functional than some of the other insane people.
Santa Cruz is my hometown and I still live here. My cousin and his family live right across the street from the house Ed Kemper killed his mother and her friend and where he buried the heads of a couole of his victims in the side yard. I worked as a speech therapist for the elderly for a few years and the wife of one of my clients was a patient of Dr. Ota and good friends with his wife. Needless to say, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who grew up in this town who didn't have a 1-3 degree of separation to one of the many victims during the late 60's-early 70's.
This is so incredibly sad. Just a normal regular family enjoying there life unaware of the evil watching them. Just blissfully coexisting as a family like they deserved to continue doing .
Best fake out ever. Only 10 minutes into the video I thought that was the end of the story, then you hit me with the opening "This is Monsters" Well played.
This is a great one, Jiles. I'm local to the SF to Santa Cruz coast and I never really appreciated how close all of this was to me until this video being accompanied by the photos of folks and places I actually recognize then vs now and newspaper clippings with other concurrent news in the world at the time. Murder capitol?! I had no idea.* My dad and his siblings would have just been in high school when this case happened, same one I went to smack dab in the middle between SF and SC on highway 1, and my principal was even a classmate of my uncle's. Way before my time, around this time in the 70s or early 80s, my mom was stabbed by a man who was friends with her ex and who was only out on the street because of Reagan's psychiatric closures. I had believed in Nebraska, where she's from originally, but perhaps could have been in California if Reagan was still governor at the time of closures & not president yet. I don't know as many details as maybe I should or would like to know, I've just always kind of been aware since I was little that if not for her very-near death experience and subsequent divorce, and sort of whole new start over second life, she would've never met my dad and I would've never been born _(very unplanned_ but welcome). I really should ask her more questions while she's still around. This case feels a bit closer to home than most. Thanks TIMonsters * editing to add JILES! Would you consider looking into the Gypsy Hill Murders / San Mateo Slasher case? It's another local to me from the 70s, not fully solved until very recently via genetic geneology, when one presumed killer turned out to be (at least) 2 killers and exonerated the longest serving wrongfully-convicted woman in the US, who got pinned only because she was also mentally ill and had falsely confessed. And the one guy was only out for a few months between prison stints waiting to start a life sentence when he did the murders. It's pretty infuriating when you look at the timelines, and practically NO ONE has covered it on the youtubes. Zodiac and the Zebra murders were also contemporary to these.
This dude was absolutely insane. I have heard a lot of cases and I know a lot of people throw that word around but this guy is without a doubt absolutely insane
I'm always impressed just how much detail is given in these stories. I know that takes tons of research and I totally appreciate the effort. Another great video!
Your story telling abilities get better and better. I really loved your video on Marvin Gaye’s father as one of my favorites. Sometimes the subject matter is too gruesome for me but you tell these stories in all their depth and complexity. It always amazes me to see how the individuals with these problems are repeatedly allowed to “keep going” til it’s too late to either help them or squash them. Your channel is really unique!
"Meanwhile, the crazy man running around shooting people" made me literally LOL. The combination of "clearly 100% insane" BUT SANE ENOUGH to conceal his crimes and know to lie about his mental health - that's got to be the most terrifying combination of traits I can imagine.
Jiles, I could listen to you all day! ❤ You are such a great story teller, and they're always so well researched and put together. Definitely my #1 on youtube 😊 Thank you for all that you do! I've even got my husband hooked on your videos, even on somewhere sinister 😊 we listened to a play list last night till we fell asleep. God Bless you and yours and I hope all is well. 🕊️🙏 -Tina
This is one of the best episodes I’ve ever seen on any true crime channel. I’ve been spending an average of 12 hours/day listening to true crime. I love psichology and understanding why people do what they do when commiting these horrible acts. Also, I’ve been battling depression and alcoholism and hearing these stories makes me feel like my life is somewhat good - by comparison. You are genuinely my fav creator on here. I love your voice, your warmth and understanding and also your decisiveness when calling someone out as a monster. Thank you, dear friend, for that is what you are to me. You make me feel un-alone.
Best of luck to you in working thru those things. I had a hard time with depression over the last few years also and I used that as a reason to drink, to self medicate. I got out of control and went from having some drinks at night to try and sleep instead of being up with my depressing thoughts, to needing to have a few drinks right after getting up, just to make the shakes go away. I couldn't text or otherwise type on my phone with the shaking. I could hardly write anything on paper that was legible even to myself. I was going thru a fifth every day or two along with however many beer's. I had to check myself into a detox facility just to get beyond the first days and not have a seizure or pass out or something. I tried to quit cold turkey and I live alone so it was bad when I stood up and immediately felt like I was going to collapse. I tried to sit before I fell but wasn't fast enough so I passed out and collapsed down the top flight of my stairs. I was very lucky not to have been badly hurt or worse when that happened. The detox place really did the trick and allowed me to get to a point where I could start getting back on track. However you go about it and whatever tools you use to deal with both issues, I hope the best for you.
I so love this channel and somewhere sinister. I swear this man has the best voice and disposition for narration. He was born for this. Love each and every video so informative and though I’ve heard or seen some of these stories he seems to find more information for me to enjoy. Thank you and keep up the great videos.
It didn’t just end in the 70’s. They evacuated a huge residential mental hospital in the late 80’s where I live. Things haven’t gotten any better since then.
@@scummymummy2548I want to try and sympathize with you but we’re all true crime fans here, and so your explanation about causing the car crash makes little to no sense. I’m doubtful you would have received life in prison for that alone. I‘ll play devils advocate for a second and assume that you may have been given more time once incarcerated for fighting and breaking laws in prison. I don’t know, im not hating on you for what you did and it makes me sick that you were thrown out of the hospital to fend for yourself, but I don’t think you’re sharing the full story.
Perfect timing as usual! Thank you, Jiles with a "J." I absolutely ❤️ your channels especially when I can watch or listen to them as I'm falling asleep. I'm excited about the video and the fact that it's a long one! I may not be getting to sleep as soon as I thought. 😉
Amazing video ❤ full of great information with supporting evidence👌 Margaret Thatcher here in the UK & Reagan in the US have a lot to answer for with the closing of specialised mental health facilities in the 70s & 80s. Admittedly many of these places were rife with abuse but to release these poor patients into communities stripped of mental health facilities is criminal. I came to the US in February 1999 getting married in ‘Murderville’ on Valentine’s Day, taking a trip to Yosemite shortly after when Carey Stayner was still on the loose 😳 my brother could not join us there a day or so later as that entrance to the park was police taped off….. we had no idea, leaving Yosemite after 2 nights to fly home….
It’s early morning hours here where I dwell & I just finished this episode. It was phenomenally informative & education. I loved it & enjoyed every minute of it.
I love your channel, love your detailed narration, and most of all how reliable and consistent you release content. Saying thank you 🙏 seems insufficient. 🤘🤩
I needed to watch this one again. The amount and styles of insanity on display are fascinating. Nile’s does a great job of keeping the stories flowing and clear.
RIP Ohta family. 🙏🏼 My ex-inlaws were rather well off. My ex-father-in-law worked long hours at his job to earn money. He also made a timely investment in a car company, something with early MOPAR I think. They were wonderful people, and I am glad that I was able to enjoy their company before they passed. It's sad to think that someone could resent them for having money. They weren't born into it, they worked for it, and imo, they deserved it. They were kind, sharing often, both money and time.
@@SpecialBlanketi only dislike rich people that are born in trust funders. Its not a good mix..i have a mother that married a wealthy, very wealthy man that never worked a day in his life. Its .....they arent the nicest people. It gives wealthy, kind people a bad name.
This channel is the most reliable source for horror here one youtube. Many people probably make videos with similar caliber, but they over do the dramatics, making them a chore to listen to... Many people also do great videos, worthy of watching, but they upload very infrequently. This channel, in my opinion is the best out there. Thank you so much for the entertainment!
I must agree with @BaseRealist; I have watched every episode you've ever made (I think) and except for Ryan Waller's documentary, this may be your finest work yet! Way to continually be out-doing yourself, Giles!
Schizophrenia can be such a horrible disease. It’s onset is usually between 18-20-right when a child is becoming an adult. Hopefully it gets treated and can be managed usually quite well with medication. The problem is that once the symptoms subside, many feel like they are cured and go off their medication. Unfortunately, this is a disease that doesn’t get cured, only managed dependent on patient compliance. My heart goes out to all victims and the sufferer as well.
I sure miss my brother. He has it. He lives in a room. Never comes out. My brother was a wonderful person, theres no getting through. Its like he died. Hes so far away i cant even stop by.. poor guy.
@@Lena-so2lq I’m so sorry for the brother you lost through nothing he chose! Is he on meds? The problem with tucker meds is that if they work , they often do such a good job the victim of the disease wants to believe they can manage it without the meds and then the spiral downward begins anew. It’s a viscous circle and eventually most will just say Fu”k It and follow in your brothers footsteps and isolate. It can be like losing a family member .
@@annehersey9895 thank you. We were almost like Irish twins when young. We had our own secret language. He was a great artist, he played guitar. We traveled together. I noticed anger management first, OCD. Then there was a psychotic break. Being in Canada, as he is, there is little to nothing you can do if they dont want help. Ive called. Ive gone to visit (he thought i was there to take his property.) Its out of my hands. Im Bipolar2, and have CPTSD, i find that some managed meds, and counseling has made life liveable. Cuz i deal with crazy ppl often trying to use and abuse the "you're crazy take a pill." I wish some ppl would take a pill. 🙄💜
Don’t forget that there’s different variations of it and so many people live happy and fulfilling, independent lives while suffering from schizophrenia. And most of them are NOT violent and instead are often the victims of assaults. That being said, for the severe cases, they definitely have to be in full care and be made sure to continue to take their medication for their entire lives.
I am a RN. I worked for our last inpatient psychiatric facility in our county before it was closed down back in 2008. It was a locked, guarded community setting for individuals that greatly needed it. It housed well over 300 people year round. When it closed our local hospitals, emergency rooms, jails, homeless shelters and other facilities were completely overran with patients we simply could NOT manage. Period. People fail to realize that your average mentally unwell patient takes 3 times the resources than a medically ill patient does. But the state doesn’t staff healthcare workers appropriately to accommodate that. It’s absolutely devastating to see some of the sh*t I’ve seen over the last 2 decades. To have to literally discharge someone from the hospital to the woods bc they’ve burned their bridges at every single facility there is. Our country has a severe mental health crisis and it just sucks and keeps getting worse as time goes on. It costs WAY more money to manage these folks like it is now, than it did to keep those inpatient facilities open…so for government agencies to claim budget issues is a huge crock of crap.
Damn. But yeah, it's like they say, ounce of prevention = pound of cure.
Reganomics at its BEST! 😝
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As long as money to fund weapons and international war efforts are more important than anything else, this will continue to be a very serious problem leading to more incurred expenses in other services, here in Canada too. Further, those exact resources should be available for returning veterans.
@@Lvnshyrn07yeah he wasn't such a good governor of California that's for sure
That cold open was like a full story on its own. I was like, wait what? Oh this video is over an hour long. Awesome! And I love the lil psych out I got from the opening.
Unbelievably balanced and intelligent work. I'm utterly amazed that I am fortunate enough to have found this channel. Thank you.
Thanks so much! I’m glad you enjoy it.
Added bonus: A reminder to the post GenX-ers that Reagan was the devil
@@OneBentMonkeybeing born in 81 the effects of his trickle down economics is just now being mentioned is crazy¡ He what the GOP of today strives to be¡
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@@OneBentMonkey I’m on the earliest year of GenX and if there’s one thing I know, it’s that all politicians sell their souls.. especially Reagan tho 😒
Well said, I couldn't have said it better!
My father was a very loving, caring family man. He treated his psychiatric patients with the same compassion as he did his loved ones. Everyone in our family felt (were) blessed to have him with us for as long as we did. That being said, one conversation I had with him that sticks in my mind is when I expressed a desire to go into the mental health field when I was deciding on my major in college. I had ambitions of helping people with problems and hoped to be a provider of comfort and wisdom like he had always been. Ultimately, in our discussion he told me that the the people that need the most help, often cannot be helped. This was the first time in my life talking with him that I felt discouraged and also realized his frustration with his work. As sad as it seemed, It was very insightful advice. It is worth mentioning that this was during the early Reagan Years and now the connection has been made for me. What you do is exceptional.
I’ve listened to every episode of Monsters since discovering the series almost two years ago, and I have to say this is by far your best work. I loved the way you included the tidbits about Kemper’s killings that were happening simultaneously, as well as the interactions between the two killers behind bars. I’ve been a true crime fan for a long time and I’m extremely surprised I’d never heard about Mullins before this, especially because I’ve listened to several about Kemper and Mullins has never been mentioned in any of them.
Top notch work on this one. What a wild ride.
Me too. I love it
Agreed. The man doesn't skip a beat.
Had a chuckle when you pointed out that Switzerland was not a Scandinavian country. Very true.
The coastguard bit was kinda humorous as well. This guy was all over the map.
who needs netflix when we have This is Monsters! thanks for your content i look forward to it every week!
I watch more of Monsters than I do of Netflix. I only really keep it for my son
Honestly this is way better than anything Netflix has put out in my opinion 😅
@@ThenewboidahliaI was about to comment exactly this. Netflix ain't got nothing on our boy 🎉
It’s like I tell my son: a mental health diagnosis can EXPLAIN someone’s behavior, but it doesn’t EXCUSE it
Many people get stuck on this concept! As if understanding the motivations and triggers some how excuses the behaviour.
It absolutely does not excuse it - it helps us to understand the WHY. Which then allows us to make informed choices on any decisions moving forward eg. Drug or alcohol rehabilitation, specialist counselling, relocation, sentence length, treatment plans etc.
I appreciate your comment!
My only complaint about Somewhere Sinister is that the episodes aren't long enough 💓
They're perfect for my drive to work through.
Agreed!!.... they are so fascinating!!!....❤
Soo true!!
Agree!!
Needs to be called "Something Sinister" imo.
Giles......
The introduction for this one was EPIC!!!!!!
It's incredible how even after all the documentaries I've seen about Ed Kemper, part of his story being told through a different lens that doesn't focus on him as the main character still manages to elicit shock and uncover new information.
I'd never heard of the psychiatrist being left alone in a room with Ed for seven minutes despite the panic button being pressed... terrifying.
Oh I have. And Kemper could have offed him, he didn’t have a thing to lose. That was intentional.
Ed Kemper is one of the most fascinating serial killers I've looked into(audhd, PTSD,amsiety,insomnia, ECT) and I have a thing for true crime. The show mind hunters has one of the best profiles of him I feel like...might not be 100% word for word but it shows his character and a deeper emotional(childhood neglect and abuse) side of him ...and I don't mean to excuse his horrendous acts or glorify them, it's just the psychology that is so interesting to look for and learn about. I think that those of us who have been through abuse and trauma get so into true crime because it shows a logical and tangible reason behind the monsters that harm others, but also teaches us red flags to look for. Sorry for the tangent, I'm sick and spending NYE quarantining lol
I would suggest getting a degree in psychology and offering to the field your ideas and suggestions. Just got my masters in psychology and heading on to the phd. I am sure hoping I can help
The ability you have to make me laugh hysterically while hearing details of heinous crimes is a true gift sir. I live for the shade you drop in here and there. Ooookayyyy 😂
The "meanwhile, the (crazy) man that was running around killing people..." was my favourite. My kind of dark humour
Yes to both of these 😂😂 I feel bad laughing because everything in this was terrible but I mean come on!!!!
“…but to their victims families they will always be a MONSTER!” 💯👏💯👏💯
Beautifully written!
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Brilliant intro, I had forgotten that it was just that. And the way you wrapped the intro up. You have outdone yourself!
I usually click on your videos without checking the length, after 8 minutes in I was confused because the story sounded like it was over and to my surprise
Haha…🤣 yes like a trick phone message that say hello…? And we think that they’re there until the beeeeep! 👍🏻✌️🤣🤣😜
@@kathrynbillinghurst188😂😂 yup definitely got me
Yeah, well he hadn’t said “This is monsters” yet, and he always does an introduction before that.
I'm so happy we get a super long episode this time as I always eat them up immediately. Herbert sounds like as if he was actually in love with his friend who passed away but might not have known yet that he was gay/bi and his death trouble him more than anything else.
When Edmund Kemper is the rational person in an interaction, there is no way that can be good thing.
I had no idea about him doing the little “experiments” on Herbert…I almost caught myself being like “oh, he’s being nice” but then I quickly snapped back like WAIT A MINUTE that’s not right 😂😂
Kemper is known to be highly intelligent and a model prisoner. Crazy.
Honestly, Kemper was a monster beyond any description. However, I find it interesting to listen to his perspectives and his personal insight as to why he did what he did. Does that excuse anything he did? Nope. But between Bundy and Kemper, they’re definitely insights that help explain other future monsters. However, it is truly horrendous to hear him calmly recount what he did and why.
I used to think Kemper was one of the most terrifying people on earth. Until I saw how pathetically thirsty for admiration and credit he is. He's still scary, but damn he's annoying. Watch his interviews. He wants cred for being "extra smart". Loser.
If you ever listen to him speak he’s very intelligent and self aware. I would have genuinely enjoyed a conversation with him if I didn’t know he was a serial killer
Incredible channel. I hope you know how gifted your work truly is. Thank you!!!
Never stop trying so hard to getting better and better with what you produce. I notice with every video you post. Wow!!!!
"Materialism must die, or mankind will." He sounded pretty sane for those six words.
lol sure, comrade 🤡
@@ixd-bxi 🤣 If you think a system that relies on infinite growth forever is sustainable on a finite planet, I have an afterlife to sell you.
@@ixd-bxi There's a difference between economic materialism and metaphysical materialism, and if you don't understand that, then you need to read more.
Mullin was obviously insane. This is one of the cases in which I struggle to understand how anyone could think that the defendant was sane. I mean...if this dude wasn't insane, who is? I know that he tried to not leaving any traces in some of his crimes, but that doesn't mean he was sane and knew that what he had done had been wrong. It can easily be explained by him understanding that most people wouldn't believe that he had been on an important mission to save millions of lives by "sacrificing" some lives. Some schizophrenic people do understand that their delusional beliefs will not be shared and appreciated by other people, while they still firmly believe in them to be true.
Insane in legal terms isn't the same as in medical terms. Yes, Mullin was a certifiable nutcase, but he was declared sane because he knew that what he was doing was wrong. He just considered it necessary because otherwise God would destroy California or some shit.
The legal construct of the insanity defense in many states is that you have to be so fucked up in the head that you didn’t know that what you were doing was wrong. The courts tend to interpret any attempt to cover up your crimes or evade the police as proof of (legal) sanity. Also, in a lot of cases if someone gets NGBRI they will be released from the hospital if they are ever deemed sane, so juries are reluctant to use it in the case of heinous murderers. Obviously, that’s a flawed definition of insanity, because you end up with people like herbert mullin and richard chase, who were BONKERS FOR YONKERS in gen pop in prison. They really oughtta l change it so that if you are so psychotic you’re in narnia, you get sentenced to a hospital forever.
100% agree with this. It’s easy to be disgusted with his crimes, however after watching the whole video this man was absolutely insane. Undoubtedly drug uses added fuel to the fire, but he was so far removed from reality it’s hard to view him as a tradition “monster”.
Yeah...I mean if some guy cleaned up all his fingerprints and what not because he didn't want the CIA giving his information to the lizard people, are we going to say he's sane? Sometimes insane people behave in rational ways for irrational reasons. They're still insane. They're just more functional than some of the other insane people.
Right? Voices were telling him it's OK to kill and he went with it. Insane.
Wow! What an intro! I actually thought I had somehow missed my favorite “This is Monsters… bam , bam bam!”
You never cease to amaze me !
Over an hour long?? I'm in heaven.. You put your work in on this one (like all of your videos) 😊😊
Deep dives are enthralling. This one is new to me…it’s a fascinating ☝️ one!!!! 👀✌️
You are in heaven listening to murders. Sort yourself out!
@@geeksworkshop, aww, you’re lost.😂
@@LegitLC Yeah, I've not been here from the start...
@@scummymummy2548 What a joke
I absolutely love the long version of this video! Thank you!
Santa Cruz is my hometown and I still live here. My cousin and his family live right across the street from the house Ed Kemper killed his mother and her friend and where he buried the heads of a couole of his victims in the side yard.
I worked as a speech therapist for the elderly for a few years and the wife of one of my clients was a patient of Dr. Ota and good friends with his wife.
Needless to say, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who grew up in this town who didn't have a 1-3 degree of separation to one of the many victims during the late 60's-early 70's.
This episode is an hour and 10 minutes long. 10 minutes in, and he does the introduction. Oh man this one is gonna be intense.
This is so incredibly sad. Just a normal regular family enjoying there life unaware of the evil watching them. Just blissfully coexisting as a family like they deserved to continue doing .
This is the best story on Herbert Mullin that I have ever heard.
Your takes on these cases never cease to amaze me, amazing work as per usual! You’re one of the best true crime channels out there, BY FAR
There's a great interview with Ed Kemper about Mullin... they were housed together and Mullin was universally hated by everyone there. Including him.
Kemper was basically petting him, he got his trust by giving him peanuts 😂
@@filvtbakKemper. What a trip. Think that guy is probably one of the only notoriously interesting serial kiĺlers. "Helping the police" and all 😂 wtf
Rest in peace to all the victims. 💐🌺🌼🌹🌻🪴🌿🪴🌿🦋🦋🦋
I’ve worked at state hospitals. Good thing we have them.
Loving the hour long video!
Awesome my bro'ski hope your transition to a new country is going smoothly for you and your fam
Best fake out ever. Only 10 minutes into the video I thought that was the end of the story, then you hit me with the opening "This is Monsters" Well played.
Hi 👋🏽 there Jiles and everyone here! 🤗
Fascinating story thanks! ✌️💕🕊️
This is a great one, Jiles. I'm local to the SF to Santa Cruz coast and I never really appreciated how close all of this was to me until this video being accompanied by the photos of folks and places I actually recognize then vs now and newspaper clippings with other concurrent news in the world at the time. Murder capitol?! I had no idea.* My dad and his siblings would have just been in high school when this case happened, same one I went to smack dab in the middle between SF and SC on highway 1, and my principal was even a classmate of my uncle's. Way before my time, around this time in the 70s or early 80s, my mom was stabbed by a man who was friends with her ex and who was only out on the street because of Reagan's psychiatric closures. I had believed in Nebraska, where she's from originally, but perhaps could have been in California if Reagan was still governor at the time of closures & not president yet. I don't know as many details as maybe I should or would like to know, I've just always kind of been aware since I was little that if not for her very-near death experience and subsequent divorce, and sort of whole new start over second life, she would've never met my dad and I would've never been born _(very unplanned_ but welcome). I really should ask her more questions while she's still around. This case feels a bit closer to home than most. Thanks TIMonsters
* editing to add
JILES! Would you consider looking into the Gypsy Hill Murders / San Mateo Slasher case?
It's another local to me from the 70s, not fully solved until very recently via genetic geneology, when one presumed killer turned out to be (at least) 2 killers and exonerated the longest serving wrongfully-convicted woman in the US, who got pinned only because she was also mentally ill and had falsely confessed. And the one guy was only out for a few months between prison stints waiting to start a life sentence when he did the murders. It's pretty infuriating when you look at the timelines, and practically NO ONE has covered it on the youtubes. Zodiac and the Zebra murders were also contemporary to these.
This dude was absolutely insane. I have heard a lot of cases and I know a lot of people throw that word around but this guy is without a doubt absolutely insane
There are thousands of guys exactly like this. It’s a blueprint. My ex is identical. I’m hoping the state declares mine competent to stand trial soon…
@@Tsumami__Wow, hoping for the best for you going forward!
@@Tsumami__sooo your ex is a serial killer?? Mmkay. 🙄
😔sad
@@Tsumami__ Oh no, what happened? Is he locked up? Are you safe? Do you have a plan?
It's 0307, and this was riveting! Dude. I agree. It's from the perspective of the victims and their families and friends. Nicely said.
woke up to go to the bathroom and I get this notification, guess I'm not going back to sleep lmao
Wipe front to back and wash your hands
An hour long!?! You better get up before your legs fall asleep 🤣
It's 5pm here in Australia so this is perfect. Just thought I'd let you know that 😁
Lmao fr 😭
Was it ones or two’s?? 😁😂🤣😅🥹☝️✌️🤷♀️
I have no issues with the shorter content, because yanno some crimes only have so much to cover, but lordy loo am I excited for this 1+ hour vid 😁
Lordy loo…me too!! 🤣🤗😜
Thank you so much for continuing to put out great content. The hard work you put into your videos shows.
I'm always impressed just how much detail is given in these stories. I know that takes tons of research and I totally appreciate the effort. Another great video!
Great details in this episode. You did an amazing job telling this story
Happy to see and uploaded video of yours of over an hour!! 😊
The very best Herbert Mullins documentary I’ve ever seen!
💯💯💯
Loved the details, research and time you into this! Great job 👍
Thankyou for your content and empathy towards the stories you share.
What a poignant point: Mullin's friendship with Kemper was the closest he ever got to therapy.
This was an excellent segment! Over an hour long, well researched, and masterfully told! Thx Jiles! 👊😊🇨🇦
Your story telling abilities get better and better. I really loved your video on Marvin Gaye’s father as one of my favorites. Sometimes the subject matter is too gruesome for me but you tell these stories in all their depth and complexity. It always amazes me to see how the individuals with these problems are repeatedly allowed to “keep going” til it’s too late to either help them or squash them. Your channel is really unique!
Thank you very much for the closed captions!
It's amazing what people can bond over. To think even 2 serial killers can find solace in each other is morbidly fascinating.
Love the longer format Jiles, Thank you!
"Meanwhile, the crazy man running around shooting people" made me literally LOL.
The combination of "clearly 100% insane" BUT SANE ENOUGH to conceal his crimes and know to lie about his mental health - that's got to be the most terrifying combination of traits I can imagine.
Hey Jiles! Just commenting to show my appreciation for all your hard work ❤
Jiles, I could listen to you all day! ❤ You are such a great story teller, and they're always so well researched and put together. Definitely my #1 on youtube 😊
Thank you for all that you do! I've even got my husband hooked on your videos, even on somewhere sinister 😊 we listened to a play list last night till we fell asleep.
God Bless you and yours and I hope all is well. 🕊️🙏
-Tina
This is one of the best episodes I’ve ever seen on any true crime channel. I’ve been spending an average of 12 hours/day listening to true crime. I love psichology and understanding why people do what they do when commiting these horrible acts. Also, I’ve been battling depression and alcoholism and hearing these stories makes me feel like my life is somewhat good - by comparison.
You are genuinely my fav creator on here. I love your voice, your warmth and understanding and also your decisiveness when calling someone out as a monster. Thank you, dear friend, for that is what you are to me. You make me feel un-alone.
Hope you feel better soon. I have managed to stop drinking and things are much better,I too love watching true crime and enjoy this creator so much.
Good luck in your recovery. You are most definitely not alone. x
Best of luck to you in working thru those things. I had a hard time with depression over the last few years also and I used that as a reason to drink, to self medicate. I got out of control and went from having some drinks at night to try and sleep instead of being up with my depressing thoughts, to needing to have a few drinks right after getting up, just to make the shakes go away. I couldn't text or otherwise type on my phone with the shaking. I could hardly write anything on paper that was legible even to myself. I was going thru a fifth every day or two along with however many beer's. I had to check myself into a detox facility just to get beyond the first days and not have a seizure or pass out or something. I tried to quit cold turkey and I live alone so it was bad when I stood up and immediately felt like I was going to collapse. I tried to sit before I fell but wasn't fast enough so I passed out and collapsed down the top flight of my stairs. I was very lucky not to have been badly hurt or worse when that happened. The detox place really did the trick and allowed me to get to a point where I could start getting back on track. However you go about it and whatever tools you use to deal with both issues, I hope the best for you.
@@justlucky8254 thank you so much for taking the time to respond and for sharing your experience! Wish you all my best with your recovery.
@@Amindafajra Jesus loves you ❤
I’ve really been getting into your other channel Somewhere Sinister. I love it!
I so love this channel and somewhere sinister. I swear this man has the best voice and disposition for narration. He was born for this. Love each and every video so informative and though I’ve heard or seen some of these stories he seems to find more information for me to enjoy. Thank you and keep up the great videos.
Very well done, sir. My favorite RUclips channel, by far.
It didn’t just end in the 70’s. They evacuated a huge residential mental hospital in the late 80’s where I live. Things haven’t gotten any better since then.
@@scummymummy2548I want to try and sympathize with you but we’re all true crime fans here, and so your explanation about causing the car crash makes little to no sense. I’m doubtful you would have received life in prison for that alone. I‘ll play devils advocate for a second and assume that you may have been given more time once incarcerated for fighting and breaking laws in prison. I don’t know, im not hating on you for what you did and it makes me sick that you were thrown out of the hospital to fend for yourself, but I don’t think you’re sharing the full story.
Jiles, this is outstanding work.
This video is a certified banger, amazing work.
I am New to your Chanel and I love it. I'm a fan of true crime, and besides it helps me keeping my English fluent ( I am from France)
Thank you for continuing to bring exceptional episodes.
10 minutes in “holy shit that was just the intro” out loud to myself. This is gonna be a good episode
Perfect timing as usual! Thank you, Jiles with a "J." I absolutely ❤️ your channels especially when I can watch or listen to them as I'm falling asleep. I'm excited about the video and the fact that it's a long one! I may not be getting to sleep as soon as I thought. 😉
I have to say that you’re my favorite for telling crime stories keep up the great work ❤
Fantastic episode - AGAIN! I look forward to these and Somewhere Sinister every week!
Amazing video ❤ full of great information with supporting evidence👌 Margaret Thatcher here in the UK & Reagan in the US have a lot to answer for with the closing of specialised mental health facilities in the 70s & 80s. Admittedly many of these places were rife with abuse but to release these poor patients into communities stripped of mental health facilities is criminal. I came to the US in February 1999 getting married in ‘Murderville’ on Valentine’s Day, taking a trip to Yosemite shortly after when Carey Stayner was still on the loose 😳 my brother could not join us there a day or so later as that entrance to the park was police taped off….. we had no idea, leaving Yosemite after 2 nights to fly home….
Such a great introduction. You are a master story teller.
Great summery! I agree 100%, a monster is a monster to those that are victims.
It’s early morning hours here where I dwell & I just finished this episode. It was phenomenally informative & education. I loved it & enjoyed every minute of it.
Thanks so much!
@@thisisMONSTERS thank YOU 🖤
I love your channel, love your detailed narration, and most of all how reliable and consistent you release content. Saying thank you 🙏 seems insufficient. 🤘🤩
I needed to watch this one again. The amount and styles of insanity on display are fascinating. Nile’s does a great job of keeping the stories flowing and clear.
One of your best stories yet!
Over an hr and without a single add...I love this channel !
Yay! 33 minutes since upload! Im so glad i refreshed YT!!
I am fully convinced Jiles has the coolest tats/wardrobe out of everyone in the true crime scene 👏🏻💪🏼😄
I subscribed for the fabulously researched crime stories, I stayed for the sarcastic wit. 🙂👍
bravo man you do a wonderful job bringing these stories our realm of understanding.
Even if he truly believed he was on a mission to save humanity, cleaning the scenes and himself proved that he knew he was doing something wrong......
Thank you for saying that in the end, mental health is a reason but not a justification
RIP Ohta family. 🙏🏼
My ex-inlaws were rather well off. My ex-father-in-law worked long hours at his job to earn money. He also made a timely investment in a car company, something with early MOPAR I think.
They were wonderful people, and I am glad that I was able to enjoy their company before they passed.
It's sad to think that someone could resent them for having money. They weren't born into it, they worked for it, and imo, they deserved it.
They were kind, sharing often, both money and time.
yeah i don't trust ppl who "hate the rich".
That's a beautiful legacy...
@@SpecialBlanketi only dislike rich people that are born in trust funders. Its not a good mix..i have a mother that married a wealthy, very wealthy man that never worked a day in his life. Its .....they arent the nicest people. It gives wealthy, kind people a bad name.
Seriously just hopped off of Hulu bc notification said This is Monsters posted a new video.. Thanks Jiles!!! You da man!
This channel is the most reliable source for horror here one youtube.
Many people probably make videos with similar caliber, but they over do the dramatics, making them a chore to listen to... Many people also do great videos, worthy of watching, but they upload very infrequently.
This channel, in my opinion is the best out there.
Thank you so much for the entertainment!
I must agree with @BaseRealist; I have watched every episode you've ever made (I think) and except for Ryan Waller's documentary, this may be your finest work yet! Way to continually be out-doing yourself, Giles!
You are THE BEST narrator on YT 😊
The sarcasm is spot on 😅
Great episode! Thanks Jiles
Ooh I’m about to get comfy and enjoy this video at work. Thanks you are an amazing storyteller 🥰
Thanks for putting out your content. I enjoy this, and somewhere sinister.
Best narrating voice in crime-shows.
The intro!! Chills. 9 min intro. I love this video!! ❤
"Meanwhile... the crazy guy who was running around shooting people..." this made me laugh more than it should have
Me too lol
Great work!
I am impressed as Hell.... The intro was spectacular!
Schizophrenia can be such a horrible disease. It’s onset is usually between 18-20-right when a child is becoming an adult. Hopefully it gets treated and can be managed usually quite well with medication. The problem is that once the symptoms subside, many feel like they are cured and go off their medication. Unfortunately, this is a disease that doesn’t get cured, only managed dependent on patient compliance. My heart goes out to all victims and the sufferer as well.
I sure miss my brother. He has it. He lives in a room. Never comes out. My brother was a wonderful person, theres no getting through. Its like he died. Hes so far away i cant even stop by.. poor guy.
@@Lena-so2lq I’m so sorry for the brother you lost through nothing he chose! Is he on meds? The problem with tucker meds is that if they work , they often do such a good job the victim of the disease wants to believe they can manage it without the meds and then the spiral downward begins anew. It’s a viscous circle and eventually most will just say Fu”k It and follow in your brothers footsteps and isolate. It can be like losing a family member .
@@annehersey9895 thank you. We were almost like Irish twins when young. We had our own secret language. He was a great artist, he played guitar. We traveled together. I noticed anger management first, OCD. Then there was a psychotic break. Being in Canada, as he is, there is little to nothing you can do if they dont want help. Ive called. Ive gone to visit (he thought i was there to take his property.) Its out of my hands. Im Bipolar2, and have CPTSD, i find that some managed meds, and counseling has made life liveable. Cuz i deal with crazy ppl often trying to use and abuse the "you're crazy take a pill."
I wish some ppl would take a pill. 🙄💜
Don’t forget that there’s different variations of it and so many people live happy and fulfilling, independent lives while suffering from schizophrenia. And most of them are NOT violent and instead are often the victims of assaults. That being said, for the severe cases, they definitely have to be in full care and be made sure to continue to take their medication for their entire lives.
As an individual with schizoaffective disorder, thank you. 😊❤
“Meanwhile, the crazy man who was going around shooting people…” I’m sorry but that made me lol 😂
Your shirt game is on point! Your music taste is impeccable!
Fellow Monsters...Don't forget to HIT that LIKE button . Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
I'm in Melbourne too. ❤
Swindon Wiltshire 🇬🇧 here. G'night from this morning to you
And hello from Perth. 🇦🇺
@@marilynsmith365 Hello from South Wales, UK. Hope you're doing well
@@Godreran all good hon. Take care.
Video was great as always, haven't heard about most of this beyond a surface level summary. Keep it up man 👍