I underestimated the Sphere... | UA Sphere LX vs vintage Neumann U67
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- In this video I’ll be comparing the recording vocals in the Atlantis studio using a vintage Neumann U67 to recording vocals in my home studio using a Universal Audio Sphere LX.
Watch until the end for the A/B comparison! Which recording situation would you prefer?
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro
00:29 Comparison overview
01:25 Ginge in the Atlantis studio
02:11 Setting up the sphere LX
04:14 The recording environment
04:48 The Isophere
05:48 Ginge in my home studio
06:17 Mixing the vocals
07:22 A/B comparison
08:19 Outro 
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The most important factor that changes the sound is the Room. Even so, the Apollo with the plugins did a good job. The differences would have been less pronounced if you have recorded both takes in the Studio with the different setups.
Yes thats true
I agree... It's hard to mimic the actual Room with those things. I mean they sound good, but you can definitely hear the difference in thousands of dollars put into a sound treated room when comparing it to a $100+/- sound shell.
This!!! Mic testing should be in the same conditions because a high end mic in a home studio will perform like a mic in a home studio. Limited to its treatment in the environment.
What a missed opportunity to really hear the difference between both mics.
This is f****n insane, the two chains are sonically very close despite the recorded signal is not exactly the same (I still hear some difference) and I can't really tell wich one I prefer. Imo, it could be more than interesting to test this modelling mics with other sources rather than vocals, to see how close they are to the originals models.
Awesome vocalist. I see you know your stuff with Universal Audio. I think you nailed it. Great job
What a banger! Love it! Results are close enough for sure.
67 had that record feel imo and the LX was super clean
Thanks for the great video. These days, most of us have a home studio setting and I very much liked your comparison and how you showed what software can deliver in 2023. Would be still great to see a studio hardware vs studio software challenge (well, this was already requested in several posts below). The limitation with Sphere remains if using Unison on the preamps: to model the real world, the Sphere mic emulation plugin should come before unison 1073 - UA doesn't allow this in unison due to the Apollo hardware layout... well, still good sound. However, my dream is that one day Neumann launches a microphone emulation software based on a fresh & clean TLM mic - that would be my ultimate mic cupboard.
Kudos to you and your singer :)
God damn, that was ideal.
Many demo didn't goes close enough I could tell that it was close and worth to buy that gear.
Your video showed me how close we can go and that was perfect match IMO, nobody will recognize in blind test which take is which.
THX, all best.
Hi Thomas, the comparison should have been done in the same room for both mics. Bring that million dollar mic into your home studio and let's hear it against the UA LX. Also, take the UA LX into that billion treated room and let's hear them both. Unfortunately youtube cannot allow you to update the video upload so we will have to stay with this video. I just bought my DLX Sphere (which comes with 38 models of mics emulations) and so I am excited. In any case thank you for this video.
Hey, i purposely made the decision to do a shootout between setups, not just the mic. I think it’s more fair (and fun) to compare a high end studio setup to what someone would be able to get out of their homestudio setup. Good to hear you got the DLX tho! Enjoy it!!
Many positive things to say about this video. I greatly appreciate the comparison and matching as closely as possible between the two setups. I took a liking to her voice and the song instantly. And lastly, ngl, the results had me pretty impressed. I listened it three times; eyes closed even. Ultimately, there was a very, very, VERY slight difference, but not one that I would have noticed had I not known otherwise. Fantastic video that is incredibly helpful and truly the best comparison video I've seen so far.
Love the home studio sound
Awesome work! Thank you very much! I have to use my Sphere LX from now on a little more often. ;-)
Was waiting for this one... i own a dlx( actually, the sphere l22) and i love it
I have serial #450 of the Townsend L22 (before UAD bought them out) - absolutely incredible.
It sounded to me like the home studio one was slightly louder(reverb & all). If you lowered the volume by a db or so, it might actually completely fool my ears with the music playing. With less background music, it becomes slightly more noticeable that the studio sounds better but not by a lot. It definitely competes & the sooner one finds satisfaction in that alone, the better they are(unless they have time & money to blow).
I will like to see the UAD plugins and mic in the same environment with the real ones!
Thank you, nice work!
PHENOMENAL the only difference i hear is depth idk how to explain it but the hardware sounds like id have to reach into the song to touch the vocals where as the plugin seems a little upfront
100%
Beside the different vocal performances i really love the development of digital tools today. When i have to describe a tiny difference, then the UAD compared to the real chain sounds a bit harsh on the 'S' sounds. But it could be also due to the different performances. The flexibility is king in that situation. You can record a singer at places where they feel most comfortable and the impact on sound will be very tiny. Performance and vibe is king, so i would prefer recording a singer in a lake house with UAD instead of a Studio around the corner.
That sounds pretty good! I have two Townsends since they came out and I love them, cause they can be anything. Pretty versatile. Anyway, I guess Ginge also sounds good on a 57 😉
Glad you did the LX. I got the LX as part of the promotion they did over the last couple of months, so it came free with my Apollo x6. But most of the analysis on RUclips is for the DLX, which I don't have! I have to say that the sound was very close between the studio and home in your demo. On the louder sections I could still hear the shield a little, giving a bit more presence. But on the quieter sections, allowing for the downgrading of the audio via RUclips, there was no major differences that would cause any issues. Would have been nice to hear them without the track. With the Iso-thingy, there is also a "voice booth" which I have been playing with while assessing the LX against my real U87ai. Very useful.
I don't think I am quite at the point of selling my U87 in favour of the LX, but certainly, I don't think I would buy another one if I needed two! The modelling is very close. A little less so with the 47, but I am not surprised. In a studio I worked in 40 years ago, we had 6 (I think) 47s, and they all sounded different. Their chunky power supplies varied too - possibly just because they were all getting so old! Whereas the 87s we had were far more consistent, and therefore better to model, I suppose.
wow, not looking at the screen with earphones in, I couldn't hear a difference between the studio and home setup! some fantastic stuff
Well I thought it wasn't even close, the studio had a brightness and a clarity that was missing singing into the purple clam. I have a similar device and it certainly gets rid of my room. My guess is that the room tone in the studio with all that diffusion and pro treatment helped with the sparkle and sheen. I appreciate you doing this test Thomas! I wonder what the difference in sound quality is between the LX and the DLX? Thanks, Tod in Vegas
Nice comparison! Maybe these Sphere mics are a worthy option at a fraction of the cost. (Good song too).
i mean i dont have the Most trained Ears But i Almost want to say The Main Difference is just the Real U67 has like a bit more Grit (idk how to explain it) and little less Low mids potentialy honestly cant tell Much of difference But Honestly the Sphere LX did amazing
The smaller capsule of the LX vs DLX makes a little difference in sound too. I own the LX but I like the sound of the DLX a bit more plus I heard with certain emulations the DLX does better. Along with the room being different and changing the sound like many have said here I think the singer head position singing down on the LX and up at the 67 also made a difference. Thanks for this review however.
There is some difference between those, but in my opinion sphere/plugins did a great job. I wish there was a blind a/b test, and also software setup vs hardware setup, but al in the studio with mics recording at the same time.
same take with 2 mics of different chain is rly more suitable for A/B test indeed.
sounded like there was a little more muddiness in the low mids on the home recording, but that could be due to the room and the performance nuances, and im sure that could be tamed to match better with a dynamic eq. for a tenth of the cost (edit: actually a 15th, wow), i'd take that tradeoff lol. great vid
When you walk into Best Buy and see tvs next to each other side by side you can see the difference. Yes there was a slight difference in this a/b comparison, but the non - studio sounded great. Of course it was mixed well and the girl singing had a phenomenal voice, but it sounded great and I don’t believe you could tell that it was recorded in a home studio. Totally professional
I can hear the studio chain is sharper, places the vocalist back a tiny bit like i find hardware does, and has that finished mainstream record sound.
So what i listened for is how well the plugins could pass as a mainstream record sound, and i felt the track was grooving so hard and the vocal is so good that i can't imagining it sounding like a lesser product to the listener - but the plugins delivered well enough to pass.
Has the song be released yet?? Would love to hear that whole arrangement!! By the way my DLX is on its way! Can’t wait to put it thru the paces!!
You nicely did a/b showcase, however I wish there was more of your feedback on results. What where the differences? Does it matter that much? What you liked and disliked in both solutions?
I feel like it would be much better video with your opinions in it
Wow, this girl really can sing ❤
Oh wow... that song is a BOP!
l'intro est très très drôle ! merci ^^
Man, that’s a funky track, Fa real
Low tones it sounds almost identical which is very encouraging sign but when the dynamic of her vocals increased in the higher notes the home system lost the control and didn't have that warm control. Still it's quite a good result. However you kind of understand perhaps you can't get that perfect vocals in the home studio environment no matter how nice tone your voice have maybe!
I absolutely love this I have all the plug-ins in the same microphone from Universal audio can you please do more universal audio plug-ins and this microphone vocal chains? I added you. Gonna watch every video you do. What’s did you put on the master I see one plugin
They both sound great, buuuuuuuttt, the high end of the studio setup sound so smooth...
Got a free LX with my new X6 from Sweetwater as part of a UA June promo. I love it. Are the sims as good as the hardware? No. But for an a home studio owner like me, the difference per unit cost is silly.
Very very close, but.... not the same. The difference is in that sweetness, everything has a softer texture.
UAD Sounds like a very high quality Demo. The analogue chain has that 'Dua Lipa thing' like the radio.
Great video. Great voice.
does 55db gain on the apollo neve emulation equal 55db gain on the physical one?
I noticed that when setting all unison preamps to for example 55db gain, some will be much much louder or quieter than others (although i assume thats due to it modeling the hw impedance, which will impact the voltage/gain)
Too bad all shootouts don't have a great engineer like you....I closed my eyes , & could not tell which was which w AirPods Pro WiFi, then bluetoothed from my TV. I'd bet serious $ that Thomas could cut all vocals w the Sphere ITB at his apt, & it would not detract in the least from a song being a hit. I have a stam 47 MK 2, & just got a 1073 lb, & am keeping my Distressor. in my home studio..Great, Thomas! Thanks for all of this!
Thanks for this comment! Love that you enjoyed this video! Will be making more in the future!
1. How does it compare to Slate VMS?
2. How does the UA chain compare to Focusrite liquid mix?
3. How do these vintage emulations compare to modern classics like Violet Design and D. W. Fearn?
Pretty darn close especially coming out from iPhone speakers lol😂
Will check it out later in the studio.
Edit: It sound really close on the monitors, I most likely wouldn't tell a difference in blind test.
Try to make it sound and react like a "251" cuz my results was rather disappointing.
Please do another video recording of the vocalist singing just once, in the studio room, and splitting the signal going into the studio set up and to the Apollo (using both microphones simultaneasly, of course) so we can really hear the same room in the recording. My take is that the room is influencing a lot more than the mic and plugins are.
Part of the point was to also take away the expensive room.
Yeah the Home studio version sounded great but I can hear that sought after "3d" weighted feel to the professional studio chain. That being said, It's madly close.
I fall somewhere in-between with a U87ai and a UA Twin X + Plugins. Recently found a never style plugin that slightly outshines the UA 1084 too. Crazy how accessible everything has become.
Wonder if this mic or the dlx is a good purchase for an rme user/non ua interface users. Cant seem to find much about that. what would be your take on that?
Wow!
Got any information on the singer, what's her job role, is she a for hire vocalist?
Hello, I bought a new uad sphere dlx, but do I have to record my vocals in stereo? Will I experience any losses if I switch it to mono later? I know it's always better to record in mono and mic collection doesn't allow that :(
sick
I can hear the difference in Home setup where it sounds more isolated and deader than recording openly in the Studio room. Otherwise quite close
bro chain sound the same only difference is acoustic, this is insane! Bro jij bent echt beast, btw wat is de naam van de zanger, zij is echt dope! love the performance!
Very close but U67 chain sounds a bit thicker, warmer, smoother and saturated in a pleasing way. But the cost to get something like a 10% improvement in quality is a personal/financial choice that may not be worth it to most. Comparison using the same signal chain would likely bring them much closer. Too bad you weren't able to compare the mics only using the same signal chain.
I was definitely able to do that, i just purposely chose not to as that’s not the type of shootout i’m trying to do. I’m trying to compare complete recording situations, not just the microphones
Thanks for the video.
From what i have been told, the audio output from UA's console software is "dual-mono" and not stereo when using the Sphere mics. So you can actually record single channel(mono) takes into Protools by using either channel 1 or channel 2 instead of both. Again that's ....Sphere mic >> Apollo >> Console Software >> dual mono audio. Also, have you tried bringing your Macbook/Apollo setup to the larger studio and recording both mics at the time?
You can record it using a stereo track. I haven’t recorded with the sphere in the studio, but i might do that soon
@@thomasvopstal Yes and I may not have explained what I meant.
I was looking at the sizes of your audio waveforms inside of Protools and the left/right channels are the same size/height. It appears that you tracked them thru the Sphere plugin with "UAD REC selected in the Console Software. With that Console option, the Sphere plugin will output dual mono audio and not stereo from what I was told by Drew at UA. Basically the plugin sums the front and back capsules and you can technically record channel 1 or either channel 2 onto a single mono track into Protools.
Now, if you want the option to change the mic model at a later time, use the "UAD MON" option in Console and recording onto a stereo track in Protools. The left side(front capsule) will sound louder than the right side(back capsule) until you insert the Sphere plugin onto the Protools insert. Once you find the new mic model you like you can do a "commit track" and Protools will change the stereo track with the Sphere plugin into a mono track.
Weird huh?, I Know! LOL
There is a sound that a studio setup should aim for, so maybe you can achieve it with a home studio setup? When you think about it, a studio setup is ideal and should be the standard.
listening to the studio vs home comparison on a pair of altec model 9 speakers and marantz all valve set up....hmmm the sample comparison section is not particularly long so quite hard to judge - it's a bit confusing when the song jumps from chorus to verse as the source changes too....would be good to hear the same section played one after the other so that you can truly hear like for like. there are some sections of the song that seem to sound virtually indistinguishable - so I have to say that is an amazing result. I just got a used L22 mic and now starting to think I need to look at an apollo for my home set up! only two channels - but what quality eh homestudio sounds a bit thicker and less airy - that is possibly a disadvantage as the vocal will be occupying more room in the mix. but don't trust my ears...can't wait to get into using my L22!
LX was a great still has great sound. U67 with all the analog great just got a slightly tighter sound
Close enough once it all gets played on mp3 audio out someone laptop or phone with it jammed into a solo cup they will never hear the difference. Even here in my studio it wouldn't even be a question of if its good enough, it would be a question of slight flavor difference.
comparing those chains in two different rooms doesn't really make sense to me.. why didn't you compared the two chains in the Studio?
I wanted to buy the DLX but the cable kind of turns me off so opted for Telefunken TF51 Tube which is basically a remake of the 251
hows tf51?
Hii Sir pls make a video on How to Copy paste(fly hook/chorus) how to Edit Music on grid for long duration track or for short duration music track
it's quite hard to say since most of the difference could come from the different rooms . Why haven't you chose to record all your takes in the studio ? I am a happy townsend owner and i would be very insterested by this shoutout in the same context
I chose to do this because i wanted to see if we could get pro quality vocals in a living room. I wanted the comparison to stay as true as possible to the situation that many people record in. If i’d recorded both in the studio, it would still mean someone would need a pro studio to get that sound.
tbh i'm not convinced however lets look at the facts. it costs money, and gas and time to go to the studio each time you want to record and sometimes if you have a moment of insperation and just want to dive in by the time you drive take your wallet out and pay for studio time you will probubly not even be in the mood or even forget what you had in mind. while this modeling mic may not capture 100% of the sonical nuances of the real thing. its still a good option for $1,500 and may even retain its value should you decide to resell it. you may resell used for 1,200 or more after 5-8 years of usage. you get tons of modeled mics to choose from. you can choose them after you record as well. you get to choose any polar pattern you want for mics that never even had polor patterns. you get control over some iso reflextions in the settings tab. idk seems like pretty good stuff to me. the question is when your clients come over assuming you record other people, will they like it? if they ask for a u87 do you feel confident in this dlx that your customer will be satisfied?
I was under the impression that you were not to use a unison pre amp with the modeling mic as it confused the modelling … I heard the pre amp should use as plug in after the fact … is that not the case
My dude, just get you the Manley Reference and you don’t need ELAM and C800G no more.
I can say as the past U87 user and lot of different mics, mostly Neumann, the Manley is just something else!
Which version are we talking here?
......also interested in which version.
@@thomasvopstal oh sorry, it took me a while to answer. If we talk about Manley, the Cardioid. If you asked about Neumann, the Ai version 😉
@@eddwardmusicManley is too bright and thin, U67 reissue beats them all
What song is it? going to order it 🙂
its very close home studio had a bit more reverb
The purple clam darkens my vocal a lot …and I’m assuming hers .
Would like to hear without that
Having a hard time listening to this due to the volume difference. Can’t determine what is loudness and what is difference between the two chains.
couldn't hear any difference with the gear use...Only with the reverb part of the songs. Maybe, it wasn't properly gain to each other. Great track!
wow, i think people really underestimate the importance of a dry treated room
I need to steal a bank
Sonar suena igual la diferencia es las reflexiones, siempre lo mas importante ha sido la acustica
The sphere is missing that Neumann low to mid range thickness. It comes off harsh to my ears.
It would be very hard to tell the difference if we had to guess..
why you didn't use unison mode for recording. I think it would have been better
He did load the Neve 1073 in the Unison slot.
unison mode ?
Yes
maybe should have commit to the mic. Would have been nice to see it in the same location. Still a great comparison. Thx
@@sifer2407 doing it this way made it a more fun video to me. I’m not here to make scientific tests, i’m comparing real world scenarios
obviously there is no 42k difference. But I would still like to hear the isolated voices.
No one would know listening to the song if they played A/B every day I understand why the studios are closing.
Analog sounds in that way better, that I want stop hearing it. Digital, sounds good, but can’t transport the real thing that touch the soul.
I had the Townsend. I sold it and bought an Golden age 261 MK2 into a 1073, into a bluey, into an LA2a or only through a UAD LA 610.
Better. The Townsend is a beast, but it’s hard to tracking with analog gear then. That was the only reason to sell it.
pretty close
Thanks for the video. The sphere is way too essy like the slate one. Chinese capsules are a no go to me for that reason.
If i asked for a vintage mic and someome pulled out a sphere dlx i would just leave
I heard a $30 difference. Maybe $35. :-)
Now switch it to the Putnam Sphere 67, different ball game.
This is the version from the Putnam collection😉
when I produce an artist, they do not get to sing a word until they have learned their parts in their entirety. I don't want you reading off your phone to get the lyrics at the expense of the performance. cause she is actually singing at an angle that isn't toward the mic but instead off to its side. one of those takes I saw her perform and I could hear a clearer intention but other than that it was just stale and flat. huuuuuuge pet peeve. sing into the mic, not the direction you’re reading
Also as it uses both sides of mic and in a reflection filter adding a flat glass cell phone into that tight small space adds an instant super reflector … not a great addition I would. Imagine
The DLX is way better than LX
The hell is wrong with y’all ears? Man the high end was quiet and clean, home studio was airy and too noisy
Que equivocado estas tengo un home studio con mas de 50000 euros en mucrofonia ..que entienden uds por home studio???
It’s not a studio in a home? I’ve been living a lie my entire life😂 on a serious note, the gear used in the recordingchain is definitely homestudio level to me. All it is is a UA LX mic and an apollo and plugins…
A good microphone, but not Neumann and never will be, it is not possible to simulate the nature of the work of the capsule
Of course it’s possible to simulate a capsule. You HIGHLY underestimate the power of modern computing power.
I wish they had made the actual mic look cooler. It’s such a boring looking mic…
I mean it has a light…
@@thomasvopstal yep, that’s just a little cheesy 😂