They Forgot About This Plane, It Crashed Into A Mountain | The Crash Of SiFly 3275
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This is the story of sifly airlines flight 3275. Si fly was flying an atr 42 between the cities of rome italy and pristina Kosovo on the 12th of november 1999 . Now this wasnt a normal scheduled flight this atr 42 had been charted by the united nations world food program and so the 21 passengers were made up of united nations delegates.
To understand the story of flight 3275 we need to take a look at the geopolitical landscape of kosovo in 1999. Back in 1999 NATO started to bomb the country of yuglosavia. Now the reasons for that can be an entire video in itself and were not gonna get into that now. The important thing is that, the airport was managed by yugoslavia and then on the 10th of june 1999 yugoslavia fell. After that the airspace of kosovo would be managed by an international coalition called KFOR. The helsinki agreement on the 18th of june 1999 passed control of pristina airport over to the russians. At the same time KFOR and UNMIK the United
Nations Interim Mission in Kosovo mandated that air traffic control at pristina be handled by the United kingdom. As you can see kosovo in 1999 was a war torn country that was struggling back to some sense of normalcy after the war earlier that year.
Flight 3275 took off at 8:11 am and by 9:57 am the plane was being handed off from Skopje control to the pristina military controllers. Within minutes of being in contact with the military controllers the controller gave the crew the headings they'd need to intercept the ILS approach at pristina. The controller then asked them to descend to 5200 feet and then 4800 feet as he took them lower and lower, setting them up for the approach into pristina. The airport is nestled near mountains and the mountains peeked through the fog as flight 3275 made its approach into pristina.
At that point they were getting ready for the approach and the controller told them that they were 5nm behind another plane and they were number two for landing. The controller asked them to turn to the left. As they did the crew monitored their position relative to the papa romero india beacon which was near the airport.
The crew radioed the controller and told them that they were 15 nm from the airport and then he asked them to turn to 180 degrees. Setting them up for the ILS approach onto runway 17. As they turned a chime was heard in the cockpit indicating that their landing gear was not extended. But that made no sense they were just turning to line up the runway they dont need to extend the landing gear right now. then The pilots then noted that they were just 240 feet above the terrain, but it was too late for them to react. The plane started striking trees and then hit the mountain.
The wreck of flight 3275 was found by an army helicopter 10 hours after the crash none of the 24 people onboard survived.
Investigators first looked at the airport itself. Now remember this was a war torn country and the airport was broken. Planes filed an IFR flight plan to fly into pristina but in actuality the approach they flew was visual as radio beacons at the airport were broken. For example an NDB at the 
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Overworked pilots, with a faulty radio altimeter, flying for a shoddy new airline, landing at an airport surrounded by mountains in a war torn country, with practically zero infrastructure, guided by an air traffic controller with just five hours of training and zero practical experience. What could possibly go wrong? That's one hundred percent the fault of management on all levels and all sides.
@@stefeniedavidmusic Typical commie UN causing massive wars and then commissioning and approving new airlines to fly contraband for their masters.
Three words + some more: *Swiss Cheese Model*
The aircraft was flying into a war torn nation with horrid terrain, with a poorly trained ATC unfamiliar with the area (5 hrs), an airplane with a broken GPWS (radio altimeter), and no mention of minimum altitudes. I put the blame 34% on the airline MGMT for flying into a difficult area and not fixing the plane, 33% on the ATC for not telling the pilots the minimums or to climb, and 33% on the pilots for not consulting the minimum safe altitudes. So, basically what you just said, but with percentages for the blame.
Incidents like this really grate on me, cos everything could have been avoided if management got their dang act together. :( I am so glad that I don't run an airline. Just a young science/tech and human culture enthusiast here. Mini Air Crash Investigations kinda checks all those boxes. He explains the science behind the crash, the tech issues, and the pilot or company culture (CRM).
@@supermaster2012 You are an interesting character.
@@Phobos_Anomaly he’s an honest character
@@miriamsamaniego3335 He's a stupid character.
I can't blame the ATC. He wasn't qualified, he wasn't familiar with the area, and "somebody" gave him zero training and a lot of responsibility. The "somebody" holds a lot of blame. The pilots get equal blame, for stupid complacency despite serious warnings. To me, the airline was just trying to do business in a difficult (in the war and upheaval sense) environment. I blame the lack of oversight that allowed them to fly where they weren't qualified more than the airline.
Let's get real here. Either you get this or no airport at all. That was the times back then in the area. That was almost a norm back then in places like this. Don't like it? Don't fly here. Simple.
Pilots should have known this. They were the ones who didn't took it seriously. Same goes for airline (altho I agree airline was just as at fault as pilots were).
Let me put analogy. I got 2 pitbulls who are aggressive. They on a leash. In my backyard. I tell you bout them. They attack everyone. You bring your kids to mine. You know about danger in backyard but you also know they on a leash and if your kids don't go close enough they safe. You let your kids to my backyard. They get too close and get bitten.
Who's fault it is? Mine or yours? I warned you if all dangers correctly. You let your kids there. You ASSUMED your kids will be sensible enough but they weren't.
So again. Is my fault? Yours? Or your kids? And let's assume your kids are actually adults (aka pilots).?
@@stefeniedavidmusic I almost said exactly that. The officer who put him in that position may also have been pressure from above though. That side of it probably started with politicians and high command saying, "Just make it work!" It could just be that everybody below did their best to execute their orders, and something bad happened.
@@briant7265 usually that's the case in places like this... Do it ir lose your job.
I was wondering why another plane was prioritized as well. Do we know who it was? Again, this other one could have been some politician and orders to tower could have been to prioritize that one, rather tha just follow preplanned pattern perhaps? And of course new controller should just stick to what's planned, I stead of trying to juggle things around Like that in the fly...
Blame the war
But yeah
From the presentation, which was excellent as always, I would say that are no innocent parties. The company, Pilots and ATC all have a part in this disaster.
I think the controller was the least responsible - he was thrown into the deep water with less than minimal training, unfamiliar with the area and as you said: it was beyond his responsibility. Sure, a competent ATC who knows the sector would be expected to tell the plane to climb, but he just wasn't one.
He was also a military controller, unfamiliar with the kind of guidance civilian aircraft need.
Well then, the officer who ordered him to perform a duty that he wasn't qualified for has to take some responsibility.
@@stefeniedavidmusic I think the whole system was a mess and a civilian plane shouldn't have even been there. It's just a ridiculous collection of problems
@@EdgyShooter Agreed. No one could have managed things well in this circumstance.
I put very little blame on the controller due to the lack of training that he was given as well as the fact that he was military and not a civilian controller. Anyone who really knows about the military knows that when a superior tells you to do something you better do it! He was placed in a terrible situation and likely had no way out of it without facing some very severe consequences.
I think that no ATC may have been better, because the minimal and hastily trained ATC gave the SiFly pilots the impression that ATC was present, and it seems like they treated his Radar Information Service as regular ATC.
Who in the hell would put a.goddamn Controller into a tower with only 5 fucking hours of instruction!! It makes no difference if it was a high traffic, or a low traffic airport!!
What kind of so called human, that has anything resembling a conscious would
allow ANYONE to control aviation traffic with only 5 hrs of training??
Then.you.have the flight crew. Has many years of experience, just not in the plane they were flying!! This was the perfect "bend over and grab your ankles" scenario for the unfortunate pilots!! Humans can really fuck up sometimes..smh.
@@patrickmollohan3082 Right?! Open frequency would be better. See and avoid would be better
I was recently flying into San Diego. As we were approaching the airport I noticed the airplane turning a little here and a little there. I wondered why we would keep making these course adjustments.
Then we flew *past* a mountain. And that explained that.
Just like that, and you’re now an ATC expert.
@@sludge4125 science communication has always been a mistake, there's nothing more dangerous than an idiot brainlet that thinks they know everything because they watched a RUclips video.
@@supermaster2012
Or NGD.
@@supermaster2012 You can ALWAYS tell who the child in the room is: They make infantile assumptions about their superior *and they actually think they are being clever.*
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@@sludge4125 Like you?
I really appreciate your content, it is impartial and shows all sides/possibilities to the story.
It proves the assertion that air crashes are almost always caused by a series of failures, rather than one point of failure.
Just curious, do you consider the 737 MAX to be a multi stage problem? Seems like the first accidents were purely caused by ONE single failure. Just curious about others opinions.
@@ryanvandoren1519 That's a good question. Let me preface this by saying I am just an aircraft investigation hobbyist, and know even less about computer software. I would say the 737 Max accidents were a single failure in that with increasing flight automation, flight computers mean there are flight systems where sometimes there is no true fail-safe. Even if there are several flight computers, (compare this to the 3 hydraulic systems on many aircraft), there are ways they can all fail in the same way (like in Japan Air 123-where all 3 systems were severed by an explosive decompression in the tail).
The 737 Max wasn't a single failure in the same way I meant it in the comment though, which was less about fail-safe design on aircraft and more about how many people/systems (the pilots, controller, GPWS, beacons, etc) contributed to the crash. Many people tried to blow the whistle on the 737 MAX, and the FAA definitely failed by letting Boeing self-regulate- I don't think there is one person or regulatory system that could be blamed on the 737 Max crashes, it was an entire culture within Boeing and the FAA that allowed it.
Mini Air Crash i live in Pristina (pershendetje nese din shqip) and basicly in 1999 for the people who are out there wondering about the bombingof Yugoslavia the group know'n as NATO helped Kosovo during the Kosovo VS Serbia war back in 1999 and in one instance that Mini Air Crash should talk about is a shootdown of a Nighthawk Jet (or a B-2 Spirit repliuca) and the Nighthawk's mission was a bomb run on one of Serbia's Milatary Camp's.But after the bombing the Nighthawk was shotdown.Also thank's Mini Air Crash for doing this video :D. And i forgot to menion that Pristina Kosovo is a neighbour to Albania in the Balkan region.
Like most accidents of this nature, everyone involved holds _some_ level of responsibility.
That being said, I personally believe that the airline holds the greatest share, given the way they were operating in an area they shouldn't have been, and were pushing the pilots far, _far_ too hard.
The airline was commissioned and approved by the commie UN, which are ultimately the ones that caused this accident as well as the war-torn state of the region. The only way to prevent such tragedies in the future is to completely erradicate all forms of statism.
@@supermaster2012 I see nothing wrong with this comment
The pilots were familiar with the airport and had flown there many times, and were complacent idiots despite warnings. There's no indication that the pilots were under pressure, and their failure to follow basic procedures or heed warnings doesn't match with being pressured as much as with overconfidence and incompetence.
5:55 That is actually not true. Trusting ATC *ANYWHERE* to keep you clear of terrain is extremely foolish. A pilot should always be aware of the terrain and where the aircraft is in relation to it at all times. Especially if the terrain can't be seen.
A very good friend of my dad, a guy he said was the best pilot he'd ever trained was flying north over Stockton, Ca at 4000 in IMC (in the lightbulb) conditions. Don't know the aircraft type, but it was a GA aircraft.
ATC called and asked him to turn to the East to resolve a traffic conflict, which he did, but some minutes later he was not yet allowed to turn back North and he knew the 7000 foot high mountains were getting closer.
He called ATC to ask about this and was told at once to resume his own navigation. Clearly, he had been forgotten, and had he not called, he would have been flown into the mountains.
The controller might lose their job if they fly you into terrain, they might even et sued by your loved ones, or in some extreme cases the could end up in jail. But the controller's chair will be moved by such a small about by the crash of your plane, it's doubtful the controller would even notice.
The pilot, and *ONLY* the pilot is responsible for the safe operation of their aircraft.
Controlled flight into terrain gives me fits, see?
There are two interesting flights(crashes) of aeroflot - 6502 and 593. While 593 is kinda popular and is covered on YT, I think that 6502 isn't. There's probably not much about it to investigate, but the reason of this crash is insane
Ex-military pilots do not inspire much confidence in me. I think air forces put too much emphasis on mission completion and too little on CRM and formal qualifications, which makes sense for what it is, but this needs to be sufficiently addressed when the pilots transition to civil aviation. This makes me think of both Polish Air Force Flight 101 (which was military, but flying non-precision approaches with president and top brass is pure madness) and PIA Flight 8303.
that was a different matter altogether. the higher ups overruled the pilot
@@ursodermatt8809 Yes, but my point still stands. Pilots who were taught to fly under those circumstances do not inspire much confidence, regardless of whose fault it is. If they act recklessly because their CO tells them to, it's reasonable to suspect that they will also act recklessly if the airline tells them to.
@@salvatoreshiggerino6810
yes, all nice and beautiful,
until your livelihood is threatened.
i suspect you would be the first to cave in to such pressure. before even thinking about philosophizing about ethics and what you would do with hindsight.
@@ursodermatt8809 I was personally asked to do work in an unsafe manner. I ended up quitting and getting a job in a different industry. Your livelihood is not a valid excuse for committing negligent manslaughter. Besides, lots of airlines and pilots actually do get it right. It’s not by accident that this is the safest mode of transportation. Many safety improvements in other industries are taken directly from aviation.
@@salvatoreshiggerino6810
good for you
How many civilian air traffic controllers would consider two or three planes a real workload? Yeah the cockpit crew wasn't on the ball but my God the RAF had a stoner on duty.
I agree totally.
I mean the five hours of training, the complete lack of knowledge of the area and very poor systems he was provided with didn't help. He wasn't even responsible for collision avoidance
Man, how do you make these vids? What software do you use for recording and editing. Please tell me too. Anyways, Great vid😁
FS2020 or FSX
X-Plane 11 or Flight Simulator 2020.
@@1000CalorieSnackPack he doesn't use xp11 just fs 2020 or fsx
Given the level of terrain details and aircraft details, I would say Flight Simulator X is out of the question. For the sake of story telling, he needs custom aircrafts (e.g. the UN decals seen in this video). Xplane 11 offers unparalleled customisation. I’ll say he uses XP11.
I believe it's another creator that does the visuals. I've been following him since the beginning and I love how much his channel has evolved. Maybe we can grab a beer in the hanger sometime. 😇
I think you covered all the aspects of this crash.
Thanks for your video, storytelling and details.
This is about the first video you made that leaves me without a word.
So many absurd failures in profesionality i just can't handle or elaborate on.
Keep in mind that profesionality is the only thing that makes aviation safe !
Controller forgot about a plane? Sounds like IFR on MSFS after you’ve gotten a wave-off. 😂
Well done as always
It seems to me the pilots were the ones most directly responsible for the crash.
They chose to fly a plane with no working radar altimeter, and slammed it into the side of a mountain.
@ 5:30 I like how the shadow of the tail goes over the fuselage as the airplane turns. Nice detail.
6th. Never been this early before yayyyy can't wait to watch. Your the best 😁💓
If "landing gear not deployed" chime suddenly rang, I would pull up just in case.
Absolutely! Absolutely!
First and foremost, i love your channel but i have to correct you here in 1 thing: Yugoslavia didnt "fell" on 10th june, all that had happened was that peace deal was signed, and according to that airspace was changed. Kosovo airspace wasnt under regional control anymore, it switched to UN controlled area, along with having some navaids and routes removed ( mainly northern part of it was closed for any traffic you could use only southern routes and approaches, even if they are going over way much harsher terrain).
On the ATR, GPWS gives “TOO LOW, GEAR” amongst other warmings If close to the ground and not configured for landing. This companied with RADIO ALTIMETER calls should always be responded with an immediate EMERGENCY CLIMB especially in IMC.
It’s always sad to hear about fatalities but we can learn from these accidents.
There are many factors to take into account; ATC, MSA, TRAINING MANUAL, FATIGUE, CREW COMPLIANCE ON VECTORS, CRM, APPROACH BRIEFING, SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, EQUIPMENT SERVICEABILITY/RELIABILITY.
Planes should be autonomous since pilots are the biggest factor comes to incidents and accidents.
@@johanea Yes because the FMC is so trustworthy... You must be one of those mentally disabled Elon Musk adorators.
Erik J Nice bait lmao
@@supermaster2012 A fact, pilots are obsolete
@@johanea the only thing obsolete here is your one braincell.
If I were to answer your usual outro question, IMHO this case is a perfect example of "it's complicated". Basically wrong things were happening at just about every possible level, and I believe each actor managed in its own way to contribute to the holes aligning in the Swiss cheese for this one.
I think there are plenty of holes in this cheese, that air line, air space, air craft, air line... all where waiting for an accident to happen.
Meaning: It was a question of *when* something happens, not at all "if". Readjusting the holes just a bit would have bought a few days?
@@sarowie While I would generally agree, in practice, the reason I didn't say it the exact same way as you did is because the statistics don't seem to quite indicate that. But yes, basically the whole conclusion of the video makes it sound like it was a disaster waiting to happen, more a matter of "when" than "if".
As with most incidents, "All of the Above" applies as contributory to the accident. I'm not going to try quantify which has greatest impact, since these stuffs tends to add up to be a total greater the sum of the individual parts.
This story reminds me of the 1996 crash of a US Air Force CT-43 (737-200) in Croatia that killed 35 people including the Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown.
lol
Hillary said the government was at fault, probably wanted him out of the way 🙄
Yeah, this made me think of that as well. Of course that accident had a lot of weird circumstances, for some reason the block box had been removed prior to the flight despite the fact it was not inoperable and had been on the planes last flight which carried the first lady, the weather was borderline for landing and most normal circumstances would have called for landing at an alternate airport, and the ATC in the tower was murdered just days after the crash, much of which lead to conspiracies theories that the crash was actually an assassination of Ron Brown. I'm not saying I believe the conspiracies per say but is hard to understand why the black box was removed from one of the planes used as air force one, especially before flying into a war zone with a member of the president's cabinet.
@@chrish931 That's not an out there conspiracy back in the day the Philippine dictator crashed a plane with his son's friends in it because they were a bad influence.
The son literally was blocked from boarding the plane and it subsequently crashed.
These things are pretty standard when it comes to assassinations.
This cheese had no holes, it was just rotten. Another excellent video sir!
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Great to see an obscure accident covered on this channel
Great video. I think EVERYBODY was at fault there. However a better crew would have owned the approach from the start and spotted the trouble. So I suppose in the end it is the fault of the Captain for being super casual in a war zone.
Finally a word thing. Decimate means to destroy one thing in ten, not to badly damage something. No worries. Thanks. Keep them coming...
No it means to divide it ten times over..............
The word decimation in English is often used to refer to an extreme reduction in the number of a population or force or an overall sense of destruction and ruin.
@@MyMednas You are right it is. But it is still wrong. It really grates on the ears.
Living languages are evolving things. The original definition of decimate may mean reduce by 1 in 10 but has evolved to mean destroy by a large amount. Take the word "text." It used to strictly be a noun but is now also a verb.
This crash is eerily similar to the crash of IFO21 a USAF executive transport which flew into the side of a mountain on approach into Dubrovnik
When you are watching a MACI video and a new one gets posted... 😀
What a complete calamity of errors! Nothing went right for anyone connected to that flight.
ATR looks amazing!!
Not anymore.
That's a perfect storm of failures
This reminds me of my UN ops back in the early 2000s, flying into Kabul. In the weather, often at night, well below the Minimum Safe Altitudes, (Kabul is surrounded by almost verticle rock faces rising many thousands of feet above the airport), and getting routing instructions from ATC to intercept the ILS. ATC was being operated by the US Military. On several occasions battling along in turbulence, often heavy rain or snow I had the feeling that we had been forgotten by ATC, at least we had the benefit of the VOR beacon and I would monitor carefully on our downwind leg the needle progressing further and further aft of our track. A call to ATC would result in an instruction issued in a slightly panicked voice, "Turn left immediately 360, descend to.. etc etc. Often resulting in us having to dive steeply, intercepting the ILS from the top and at the same time calculating mentally the correct 3 degree glideslope based on airport altitude, distance from the field so as not to intercept the 'false glide lobe'. We earned our money many times over.
WOW what a story thanks
Hello Mini Crash I would like to say I live in Kosovo and I would like to thank you for this and people basically in 1999 Kosovo was at a war with Serbia and NATO Helped us during the war for independence.Again thanks for making this video Mini Air Crash :D
I like they way you say "This...." in the start of video
Thank you
Can we get a video on The 1985 collision over Teteboro here in NJ? It was a Piper Cherokee and a Dassault Falcon owned by Nabisco Inc. or the Learjet that crashed in Carlstadt on its approach to Teteboro in 2017? There was also a jet that over shot the runway at Teteboro, crossed over rt 46 and crashed into a warehouse. I've never seen any high quality videos on any of these. ✌️👍
Interesting video. Most of the fault seems to lie with the air traffic controllers, but other factors such as broken down navigational resources and poor CRM seem to be at play here.
It was clearly stated ATC is not responsible for collision avoidance.
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100% of the fault lies with the commie UN.
@@supermaster2012 The UN... an organization that is primarily funded and controlled by the wealthiest and most powerful capitalist nations in the world ... is communist?
@@stephanie8560 communism is nothing more than plain old statism laced with the lie of helping the poor man so yes, the UN is a commie scheme.
@@supermaster2012 So in your definition, no matter how capitalist something is, it is still communist
I watch another airline related RUclipsr, Mentour Pilot who references a "Swiss Cheese" model of explaining accidents. In short, for most accidents to occur several things have to all go wrong. It's part of that concept of redundancy, in which if one system or person fails another can prevent something going wrong.
Here, there is an impressive list of things that all went wrong. However, most of these could have been prevented had people done their job, or had systems been in place. As Jake might say below: this accident was an inevitable occurrence at the end of a long chain of actions and inactions.
What's the betting the airline got the contract as it was offering the absolute lowest price for services?
I wonder if any company with a safety record to loose would have operated there under any conditions.
Meaning: This is a situation that simply attracts actors that ignore risks, because if they would be riskaware, they would not operate there.
@@sarowie I think they probably would, but they would charge an arm and a leg for it as they'd probably go over the top on precautions to make sure they're insulated against any losses
Do you really think the commie UN, which uses these "humanitarian" missions to fly contraband for people like George Soros, care about safety?
A young sketchy airline is the perfect vehicle to send contraband weapons and drugs, just like the CIA was doing in central america 50 years ago.
Greate channel - ACI Pocket edition
NICE SHOW.
Was in the area when that plane crashed and remember many lost friends that day. There is a fourth party who may have some responsibilities in that crash. We can't blame the operator without blaming WFP who had contracted them. I still fly UNHAS all time and they have a responsability to properly assess all the compagnies they rely on to build their aircraft fleets.
I'd like to hear about your friends. My sister was on that flight.
Hi, could you make a video about the crash of Antonov An-24 on 19 January 2006 in Hungary? Thanks!
How about doing Mexicana 980?
Talk about perfect storm!
Love when people expect "military grade" to mean indestructible.....
Reality of it is, it's all held together with duct tape, hopes and dreams.
This coming from a veteran.
Everyone was responsible for this crash except the passengers. No one was looking out for their safety.
The pilots, the ATC guy with only 5 hours experience and the ground crew who didn’t install the new ground proximity warning system were all responsible for this crash.
If they got a gear up warning just before the crash and no GPWS alarm, doesn't that suggest that the plane had been configured for landing, so that when the plane approached the ground they got a gear warning and not an altitude warning?
It's never just one person or thing at fault, it's almost always a multiple of mistakes that lead to an accident. That goes for this accident as well.
Req for video about KAL007
Can we have D. All of the above? Plus whatever regulatory agency authorized that airline to fly in those circumstances.
Does everyone know that the pilot’s number one responsibility is to fly the plane?
This was controlled flight into terrain. That worked fine. The pilots forgot to navigate which is responsibility number two.
MS Flight Sim 2020 having every airport in the world really is fantastic for this isn't it.
So much about this flight is so messed up
Definitely the pilots are at fault here. However, you can also (almost) always argue that processes (and sometimes training) in the airline is at fault. It's sometimes being overlooked that there must be a reason for the pilots not doing their job well and very often the reason lies with the airline.
I'm in Croatia right now (former Yugoslavia) and all my RUclips subs are doing Balkan war videos! It's an interesting and sobering position for me and I appreciate peace so much more.
Vietnam airlines flight 474 crash on november 14 1992 with only one survivor Annette Herfkens
Wow
240 foot trees?
Responsibility begins and ends with the pilots.
Yes, that is the ultimate conclusion. Their first job is to fly the plane.
Responsibility begins and ends with the commie UN which caused this entire situation so that their masters could sell contraband to the poor starving people of yet another warzone.
@@supermaster2012 Another infantile comment from afro kinita. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Mainly pilots as they should have known better. I'm Eastern European so know a thing or two how some things used to work there back then.
At the end of a day, you're as pilot responsible for your cargo or crew. Everything else is just a helping hand. And helping hand can sometimes slip.
Reality is, is still you who will suffer most (die in this instance). Relying on others too much can kill .
Pilots had all info and as far as I'm aware pilot still has a final say no matter what (declaring emergency?).
And it seems if pilots were taking control of flight path it could maybe be avoided.
While every single party involved is at fault. As long as crash avoidance goes most blame still here would be with pilots (aka lack of Comms between crew and being aware of surroundings etc).
I give analogy for those who disagree.
If you on a bike crossing the road with your kid on the back. You cross intersection on green but then some car was speeding away and crossed intersection and hit you. Isn't that your fault (given you got responsibility for your kid) that you didn't looked both sides to ensure all traffic is stopped regardless of green light? Yes it's on you. Even traffic rules still say that not only wait for green signal but also ENSURE it's safe to do so regardless of the signal, first. Incoming car at speed, if you looked, definitely make it unsafe so in the end it's at least as much on you as on speeding driver (given speeding driver don't have burden of caring about his "cargo" supposedly).
For everyones info - Yugoslavia didnt exist in 1999.
It broke down a couple of years earlier, 1991., when Croatia wanted independency.
One large error in this video stating anywhere else in the world you can trust ATC to keep you away from terrain or something similar, that’s not true at all.
What a sad tragedy
You keep saying 1999 but it was 1991 that it happened for the fall of Yugoslavia
The war?
You can listen to your videos at 2x speed and still comprehend them.
Are planes this big really that unresponsive?
Wow. I had a chill then. I used to fly UN every week for 10 years. 💦
So what? It’s irrelevant. It means nothing.
Primary cause is the plots’ complete lack of situational awareness. Actually knowing the charts might have been useful too.
Sounds like the Controller was trying to kill them
Considering the poor visibility they should have triple checked the minimums for the area. I don't understand why the pilots were so calm with no visibility and knowledge of where they actually were.
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🌟Ay bro. What's that car on your dp? I like it.
@@gettothepoint2707 some kind of ford
@@gettothepoint2707 2015 ford fiesta
Who's responsible? Pretty much everyone. I haven't seen this much disorganization all across the board before.
Is it even legal to fly with a broken gpws?
I say I consider all off those parties mentioned in this video responsible to some degree for this tragic accident. In my opinion.
Why did they not keep the kosovan ATC working? Yugoslavia may have fallen and the airspace may have been regulated by someone else but those air traffic controllers still knew the area best. Did they think they would've purposefully crashed a flight?
The original controllers might have been dead. Remember, this was a warzone.
@@BuriBuster I didn't consider that. I hope that's not the case but it would explain the switch to british controllers.
War zone. Are you too young to remember the disaster unfolding? Probably I’m just ancient!
@@mandywalkden-brown7250 Not too young but still a child at the time (and living in an abusive home so my own survival was prioritized) but warzone doesn't mean everyone living there died. In hindsight yeah it's possible the controllers died but if they survived and they just don't let them work bc "we're in control now" then that's kind of bad.
@@BuriBuster Or they just didn't show up for work. In the middle of the war, showing up for work often ceases to be one's number one priority, if they're more concerned about their own survival, or the survival of family or friends. War has a way of quickly breaking the "social contract" and causing people to change their priorities.
Ultimately, it is the Pilot’s responsibility for the safety of the aircraft.
Ultimately, it's everyone's responsibility to ensure the commie UN doesn't destroy countries left and right so their masters (Soros & co) can sell contraband but here we are, debating whether a pastafari pilot or a yellow toothed ATC is at fault.
The controller was at fault (the organization, not the person)
Case #umpteen of why civilian UN operations shouldn't be stuck going with the lowest bidder
The controller is to blame.
It was clearly stated ATC is not responsible for collision avoidance.
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@@sludge4125, how convenient is that? What happened to climb to such and such and heading?
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ua 232 souix city
that's a hella of a swiss cheese
Whaaaaaat!?!? Spit and duct tape always gets the job done.
Vietnam airlines flight 474 accident
Talk about a poor first day at work.
Controller, he placed them in danger
I feel like everyone is to blame here but mostly the airline and the air traffic controller. I don’t understand how he had two planes and he just forgot about one.
Everyone is partially responsible
*Yugo war songs time*
the most safe balkan landing ever.
The war....
War never changes
Who was responsible the Bosnian Serbs and the Serbians if they hadn't started the war we wouldn't have had to fight in their countries to protect civilians from the animals on both sides, when KFOR landed we were under fire and the RAF did an amazing job under war conditions as did the French and Russians.
A combination of things went wrong, that plane should've never got off the ground.
A combination of things went wrong, the commie UN should have been erradicated and Soros hung for crimes against humanity.
Priština, Serbia