Kenneth Branagh On "The Troubles" That Rocked Belfast During His Childhood
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- Опубликовано: 11 ноя 2021
- Actor and director Kenneth Branagh tells Stephen what he experienced as a child growing up in Belfast, Ireland as sectarian violence literally tore his street apart and changed his life forever. Experience Branagh's masterful work in the film 'Belfast,' in theaters everywhere today. #Colbert #Belfast #KennethBranagh
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I did the payroll for Belfast and also for All Is True
When those films made good money Kenneth Branagh gave the crew a big bonus off his own back, Ive never come across anyone else doing that. He is a Gent among Gents.
That's nice to hear. He's always come across as a decent,down to earth guy to me.
I like how he tries to actually talk to the audience and makes eye contact. Really nice to include the audience in an interview like that.
Theater training, I suppose.
Agree Carol, it's that classical theatre training. He was a stage actor for a long time before he went into movies.
An actor trained in Britain. He understands theatre and an audience and how important the rapport is between actor and audience.
It’s an Irish thing. Watch any interview with an Irish born celebrity, they look you in the eye.
From Geraldine Fitzgerald and Maureen O’Hara to Ruth Negga and Cillian Murphy…
I just want to throw this in here for people who don't fully understand the situation in Northern Ireland because when they hear Catholics vs Protestants they think it's literally Catholics vs Protestants and can't understand why as both religions are so similar. Catholics and Protestants are are just terms used to represent two different cultures and a long and difficult history that started with the colonization of Ireland by Britain. It's not about religion, it's two cultures who have different interpretations of their history and different goals for their future. Better term is Nationalist vs Unionist but I understand they can equally be misinterpreted if you are not from Britain and Ireland.
And a further clarity again would be Maniacs versus Lunatics, which has always been the way in the North. Americans end up thinking that All Catholics hate All Protestants in the North, which is utterly silly. But I certainly remember the dark days of The Troubles, and hope all the hotheads and arseholes on 'both sides' - the equally unikeable Loyalists and Republicans alike - don't return to their horrid ways again.
I agree but I think kids think it is just about religion. When I was a kid me and my other mates thought this. My Dad is a Protestant and my mum is a Catholic and I was very confused growing up until I got older and made my own choice of which religion I am.
Religion had a very large part in it. This old joke sums it up. A Irish Jewish Atheist is stopped at a road block in Belfast. One of the commandos ask what are you protestant or catholic?
The man says i'm neither, i'm Jewish Atheist. The commando then asks. Are you a Catholic Jewish Atheist or a Protestant Jewish Atheist?
@@johnbrown6189 funny joke but it's still not about religion. Religion just happens to carry the same split in the population because people with Irish heritage will naturally tend towards a Catholic religious ackground and people with British heritage will naturally tend towards having a Protestant religious background.
It's become a way of differentiating easily between the sides. Knowing who they were, who their family was, where they lived and what church they went to because the Troubles were first and foremost about the English rule of Ireland and the mixed up identity and imposed identity put upon the Irish people living there. A matter that lead to innumerable battles, uprisings, rebellion, terrorism, deaths, revenge killings and pain that is not easy for everyone to forget although most try their very best to find compromise and live in relative peace. Sadly a minorty of fuckwits keep these issues brewing and try desperately to drag the region back into those days.
@@kevtb874 To ignore the facts of what when on and how they came about is, well,
something that a fuckwit might do. Try reading some C. Hitchens on the subject.
Every Christian army that ever went to war said God was on their side. But what happens when both armies are Christian? You get Belfast.
That little kid just stole my heart in that short scene!!
Yep... he sold the ticket to the movie. I can't wait.
Absolutely! I so want him to marry the girl. 😏
He was cute! I just wish they put subtitles so I could understand more than half of the words he said.
@@TigerGreene - I think it's an accent that your ears will tune to with a bit of time...
@@gregbrogan9061 I saw the movie, Jude Hill deserves many award nomination he can get, the best child performance i've seen all year
I love how in the movie Buddy (basically Mr. Branagh as a child) has this clear passion for theater and movies! You have a small glimpse of what he would become. There is also this scene where he is seen reading a Thor comic book that I thought was really cool...as he ended up directing the first Thor movie in the MCU
And Agatha Christie book...
Beautiful post ❤😍
This man is brilliant actor director and down to earth.
and as an Irishman I have to admire how he gave a relatively factual and sort of decent telling of the facts of the Troubles without any division as he and his family, like most were never EVER really bigots
If anyone who's perfect choice in making a Shakespeare adaptation, it has to be him. When it comes to Branagh, he deserves more credit for making Shakespeare stories look awesome. Hamlet is a masterpiece
@@Bjork4s he fucked up that Frankenstein adaptation though from 94 and a far better TV version although it was more a horror drama ,came out in two parts some yeàrs later
@@MrSpookyLover oh please directors makes mistakes, it happens. He's still a talented director. Is Frankenstein the only stuff he made in his entire career?
Totally agree ,Glenn ,but as a native of Limavady County Derry, I gladly admit to being totally biased ,peace and love from the wirral..E.
Wow, didn’t realise he is 61 years old! Looks incredible. Excited to see this film.
Ciaran Hinds, is a fantastic actor! Definitely deserves more recognition
He was the BEST Captain Wentworth in the best Persuasion adaptation!
been saying it for years. a spectacular actor up there with Stephen Rea among Ireland's best
I think he does get lots of recognition. Rome, GOT, The Terror...those were all big roles.
Great face on him 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
He should have been Bond.
Tears come from the heart and not from the brain.
- Leonardo da Vinci.
I already love this film and I haven't even seen it. That bit of dialogue with the child was great! I loved that he was willing to let the girl continue seeing the boy she fancied as long as she married him. :D
Belfast is a beautiful city. Best wishes, from Scotland.
Totally agree...
I can't wait to see Belfast. Kenneth Branagh is such a cool guy.
I agree except for his infidelity toward Emma Thompson. What kind of person could mean to someone as extraordinary as she is? Otherwise, you are right!
It's OK. It's meh. But foreigners like it I guess
It's absolutely fantastic. A great great movie.
What an engaging man! Interesting, intelligent, articulate. Must see the movie!
He’s actually Sir Kenneth Branagh, an incredibly talented actor, director and writer!
I love him, he's a great actor and director.
except this is an American interview, where most people in the WORLD actually dont give a shit about the titles awarded to some of the elite by that warped family, sir.
@@MrSpookyLover pointing out the blindingly obvious here, sir, but most people in the WORLD don't get to see American TV interviews.
Aye and what is he better than me because he was knighted catch yourself on
@@garyhutton2654 He's probably a better actor than you, I'm sure you'd admit ; )
I saw the movie tonight. It’s full of beautiful scenes-and people. The child actors were excellent. Not heavy on plot, but more of a slice of life movie.
thank you so much for your view in the film! i play the role of Will (buddy’s brother)
@@wtb3454 good luck young man, looking forward to seeing your next flick.
Not heavy on plot is putting it nicely. No plot, no characters, no believability. Probably the last of its kind- a movie that romanticizes a predominantly shameful and terrible time
My God, Kenneth needs to be added to the list of people who do not age. He still looks like he looked in Henry V (1989) only thinner, and that was over 30 years ago!
exactly what i was thinking
I tells ya it ain’t fair!!
I call it Patrick Stewart syndrome.
He has professional stylists who dye and style his hair and clothes. If we all hired some, we'd all look younger too.
Totally. And one of my favorite movies. His speech on St. Crispin's day was epic.
" the troubles " , biggest understatement ever
It's incredibly Northern Irish, that's the famous sense of humour you hear about
@@clarissagafoor5222 not it’s not you clown. It comes from Pathé news reels about the earlier conflict 1916-1923 - “Continuing Troubles in Ireland”.
And there’s no such thing as “Northern Irish”. There’s Irish and the foreign planter community who can call themselves whatever they like.
@@cianoc8211 yeah ahah and I bet you’re the type to moan about British people living in British Northern Ireland but have no problem with little Somalia being set up in Dublin 😂 you voted to legalise gay marriage, it’s only legal in Britain by an act of parliament that the public didn’t vote on. Keep crying about whites in Ireland, the actual foreigners will hate you all the same.
@@clarissagafoor5222 agreed, it definitely sounds like something my wee nanny would come off with. It's a dilution of something dramatic in the norn Irish way similar to 'sure it's only a wee while down the road" and it's actually 20miles away 😂
@cianoc8211 I'm protestant from Belfast my name cheevers is actually French chevre, came to Ireland 1177 with the Norman's 317 years before Christopher Columbus discovered America. My namesake John cheevers lost his land in Wexford to Oliver Cromwell got it back his son Henry was an aide to king James at the battle of the boyne. Adams is a Scottish name I'll go back to France Gerry adams will have to back to Scotland first !!!
A couple of years later in 1971 (I’m the same age as Branagh) I remember a young lad appearing at our boys secondary school, in southern England, a Protestant lad whose family had left Belfast, just like in this film. He was like someone from a different planet, and we were all fascinated by him and his accent and his stories. Especially when he used to go 'out rioting' and 'out joyriding' for fun. And I think he had a chest injury from a rubber bullet, that he showed us all.
You mean a another british person. Strange he had a rubber bullet, mostly used by the army. Not known for shooting the british kids, more the irish ones.
I remember when I visited Belfast in 1977 and saw the police barricades and metal detectors downtown. Very disturbing. Also read about this practice called "kneecapping"; too gruesome to even tell you what it is. Such sad part of history.
@@jeffreyhawley3299 It's a part of our history that continues to this day.. Although, Kneecapping is primarily done by paramilitaries these days.. If you've been up to "bad" things, and the paramilitaries find out, you or your parents will get a call, you'll be given a time and if you don't come or you call the police, your family will be harmed and/or killed. You know what's coming, you just have to suck it up and accept it.
Within a 5 mile radius of me, there's at least 12 memorials, in various locations as a result of 60+ people dying in roadside bombings. Just another reminder of the harsh realities that this country faced 30-50 years ago.
What makes Belfast a great movie is its simplicity of telling a story of family. It reminds us all of the importance of family
I was wondering a week ago why late night talk shows don't have directors as guests. With Colbert this week we've gotten Tarantino and now Branagh--and both have been wonderful, entertaining talkers. So have more directors on, Stephen, and the rest of the late night hosts.
He’s had both of them on before, what are you talking about?
@@naylas3908 I must have missed those shows. Do late night shows have directors on frequently? I would say no. I like actors but there are so many cliched stories and questions you can hear. I'd rather have the writers and directors, the people who make the art, on more often.
@@clamourincessant6974 Bong Joon Ho Talks _Parasite_ and that Eight-Minute Standing Ovation at Cannes on _The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon_ ruclips.net/video/7TtC5JKip00/видео.html
Didn't say QT & KB had never been on. Saying that other ("more") directors should be on TLSWSC.
Branagh is an actor too bruh
The film starts by showing the modern Belfast, which is a fabulous place to visit. I visited 8 years ago, but did not realise the so called 'Peace Walls' are still there and the divide is one spark away from being a 🔥 fire. Never take peace for granted. It is precious and requires hard work!
You visited 8 years ago? Was Chernobyl booked out?
Humans are so unpredictable that peace anywhere is one nuke away .
Sad reference to my hometown… open your mind… a fantastic City… 👌
@@simonfoster1150 hope to go there and have some colcannon in the Crown...
Reminds me of hearing riots coming down the street in Detroit when I was little and thinking at first it sounded festive. As it got closer it was clearly angry sounding.
Henry 5? Makes it sounds like a film series. Henry the fifth.
Oh, I fell in love with Sir Kenneth when he was in HENDRY V and DEAD AGAIN! Dead Again is an amazing thriller! 💕
His Hamlet is not only the greatest Shakespeare movie ever made, but one of the greatest movies, period, ever made. This one looks really good too.
His Hamlet was good, but I have always believed his Henry V is even better. Especially the scene right after the battle. The acting is fine, but his skill as a director for Henry V is where he really shines. The music also adds a ton to the movie, of course. The fact that he made a masterpiece out of one of Shakespeare's less popular plays in Henry V also makes his triumph with that play more impressive. But yes, his Hamlet is pretty amazing as well.
It's one of my favorites. If you watch his movie A Midwinter's Tale, it makes for a nice pairing. Some of the same actors.
@@hollybigelow5337 I haven't seen his Henry V. You're making me think I need to. What I love about his Hamlet is just how cinematic it is. I'm convinced you could watch it as a silent movie and still follow the story.
@@Michelle-pq3nq Been wanting to watch that one for a while now. I think I tried about 10 years ago but at the time you couldn't rent it or buy it.
@@lynnturman8157 watched him portray Colonel Tim Collins of the Royal Irish regiment...brilliant..
Nice to listen to someone who doesn't use cliches every 5 seconds when talking about a 'childhood trauma'
Indeed
I'm watching this interview while in Belfast itself!
Same.
@Juragan Muda What the FAUK!!!!
Cool
What’s it like living there now? Are you in a neighborhood with any history of sectarian violence ? Is there a wall/barrier nearby?
@@shizuokaBLUES the occasional riot, but it happens very rarely these days, it's changed so much since the 60s but there's more need to be done
Just watched this film tonight, it was beautiful and absolutely moving.
Kenneth Branagh my LOVE from many many years... You are the BEST 🌹🌹🌹... 💔💔💔🍀🍀💚💚✅
Just finished watching this film. It's beautiful in every aspect !
Henry five? Henry five?! Henry five!!!!
(sad trombone)
When cue cards fail
Mate, Henry the Fifth……. Grüße aus Australien
Branagh is a top actor and director.
Can't wait for the sequel, 'Belfast 2: Bel Faster'.
Or the prequel "Belslow"
From the people who brought you Timbuck One... (Milton Jones fans, where are you)
Belfast at Tiffany's
Lol! Always enjoy your input!
Thats amazing information about Belfast: ruclips.net/video/ZKjeYbr4NLk/видео.html
I hope all of America here’s this man. This is what intolerance reigns. Brother killing brother.
Yep, but sadly I don't think that we can avoid this future. The Proud Boys will be planting bombs under people's cars before we know it.
@@Rebecca-oh5yh Yeah don't worry, BLM has had that covered for the last couple of years.
@@Rebecca-oh5yh And this is how it starts.
@@chrisvalenzuela7911 And this is how it starts.
I was thinking to myself that because there hasn't really been a war - or anything resembling a war - on American soil for over 150 years, the vast majority of the US population knows nothing about strife and suffering. In western Europe for instance, even though times have been mostly good to us in the last 70 years, the grief of our grandparents has been sewn into our psyche.
i just saw the film belfast yesterday. brilliant writing, acting and directing. well deserved its oscars.
Such an eloquent man... Never boring 👏👏👏
Restless, talented sod. Enjoyed hearing more from you on Maron earlier this week. Good luck with it all.
Love this interview saw Belfast 3 times so beautiful Kenneth congratulations fabulous cast and sentiment ❤❤❤❤
He also left Belfast & didn't really live through the Troubles
His narration of the Walking with trilogy is my favorite thing he’s done.
Wow, I wasn't that interested in seeing the movie before but hearing him explain it here made me interested now.
Amazing actor 👏👏
He will always be Gilderoy Lockhart to me
It is the most poignant movie of the year about the strength of love and support from family, the innocence of childhood and how one can still experience joy and humor amidst the vicissitudes of life . It is relatable to all even if you are not from Belfast and can be adapted for living life today as it was 30 years ago in a divisive time in history. Go see it.
"A future you never through about" thats real.
Love the lad's brogue! Branagh is a Renaissance man, equally gifted director, actor, producer.
No brogue there.
James Drynan He has completely lost his belfast accent,which is very distinct from any other accent in ireland anyway
Saturday, 21st October 1967.
Dad took me and Ian to Heysham and over on the Duke of Rothesay to see 'Geordie' Best in what turned out to be his finest performance for NornIrelant.
Stepping off the gangway, a man stood there with a tray hung out on cord from his neck, in front of him, full of rosettes. Bought me the big Celtic one with green, with the tricolor ribbons and after a quick chat with the man, his Belfast accent suddenly thicker, Dad reached down and pinned it on my lapel.
Straight to Auntie Pat's for tea and sandwiches and tellings of who had died and Barney McKenna was closing the shop and all. Grandad now gone, the house was not the same. But the soda farls were. Then a bus down Newtonards Road into town and the walk to Windsor Park. Lots of people: other fans and shoppers in bustling streets.
Just before we turned one street corner, no explanation, Dad stopped me, took the rosette from my coat and pinned it to his own. Would give me it back before we reached the ground, he said. As he walked along there were glares from women with their groceries going home.
From all the others, a man suddenly walked up and fronted Dad. If a film costume designer were tasked with putting together the look, it would be simple, and this was him wearing it: Long, well worn, sandy coloured raincoat; brown fedora, cigarette, thick-soled brogues.
After a very few words, the man nodded to the pub doorway nearby. 'In here'. In we went, was packed and full of smoke and the accents again stronger, and an animation not at all like Yorkshire. The man spoke to the bar and him and Dad had beer and for some reason, I was handed a mug of soup while they chatted. He was IRA. Had seen the rosette and Dad needed to know that things were changing, it wasn't like it used to be, and watch even more now what you say and where you go. Gave Dad a cig' and one himself and they smoked together and Dad did the listening for a change. The pints were finished, shook hands, scruffed my hair and he went out, nodding the bar.
Mum never let us go stay in Belfast again. Dad sort of let go of something.
SIR Kenneth Brannagh.
Its says it all.
The End.
One of my favourite actor of all time.
Nice see someone actually using the word "literally" in a proper manner
“Henry Five” 😂😂
I believe that should have been SIR Kenneth Branagh.
I spent the summer at my uncles in Belfast of 69 and in spite of the troubles we watched the moon landing
did you watch the Catholic moon or the protestant one?
Great actor, saw him perform as Hamlet at the RSC in Stratford upon Avon
What I remember from the troubles was the scary thought that there was no guarantee people you ate breakfast with would be eating the evening meal with you later.
I grew up along the British border in Ireland. My childhood was interspersed with bomb scares, army checkpoints, killings on TV, constant background fear/unease.
That's heartbreaking. Thanks for sharing and I'm glad some peace has been found. I hope it sticks
@@Mugdorna I hope you are all safe and well over there, peace and love from the wirral..
Henry five and Malcolm ten, both good movies.
Lol! Even better than 4 and 9.
Saw Belfast the other night, very early contender for my film of the year- I can’t see any film this year making me feel like that one did
Still can't believe poirot, Thor's director, professor lockheart and Hamlet are the same person
This dude could read the phone book and make it fascinating. “O, for a muse of fire, that would ascend the brightest invention of Heaven! Kingdom for a stage! Princes to act! And monarchs to behold the swelling scene!”
Unfortunately, most of us are not Prince Hamlet, no, nor were meant to be. We are but attendant lords, fit to start a scene or sell a procession.
I think Anthony Hopkins did exactly that.
Stephen: “It was my favourite movie this year.“
Stephen’s DUNE enthusiasm has left the chat…
I imagine he says something similar to every guest plugging a film.
Belfast was a marvellous film
I hope he was being sarcastic when he said "Henry five".
Kudos for speaking the truth Kenneth.
beautiful man
Of the Henry movies my favourite has to be Henry 8: Henry Gets Married Again and Again.
I hear they adapted it as a musical too! Supposed to be good
Reminds me of myself leaving Belfast 8yr to England
Just watched the movie. Amazing, I even relate to it in many ways.
I love this guy!
I’ve paused the video at 0:23, I will watch the rest as I love Kenneth Branagh and Colbert, but I just have to say something. ITS HENRY THE FIFTH not HENRY FIVE!
Could listen to this dude for ages
Fantastic movie!
Kenneth is also a great narrator.
Love him and his beautiful tender movie 🎥
This movie was so real, I cried the whole time
He reminded me of how much I enjoyed his performance in Henry V. I think I'll watch it Once more "...unto the breach, dear friends, once more; or close the wall up with our English dead..."
Kenneth Branagh is brilliant.. Belfast Native .
I wonder can he rustle up an Ulster fry or colcannon...???
Hard to understand that accent tho🍀😅😜
Assuming Branagh was 9 yrs old in 1969, he would be 61 now. He sure looks young to be that old! Yep... he'll turn 61 in December per Wikipedia.
Being an actor must do wonders for the mind and body, 44 years in the NHS has had the opposite effect on me ,however ,onwards and upwards...peace and love from the wirral...E
My mum was his class mate in Grove primary school back then
Wait, isn't Colin Morgan in this? I might be mixing this up with the 1916 Rising movie he's also signed on, but I feel like this has been in productions for ages. So glad he's finally got another project come out!
Yes!
I can’t believe this guy was the narrator from Walking with Dinosaurs. My childhood 🥲
I was on Twitter reading a thread on the best Shakespeare adaptations, and the name Branagh kept popping up. Then I come on RUclips and this video was suggested to me. 😁
Totally agree, but then I,m a totally biased Irishman...peace and love from the wirral...E
Just saw it, not my personal favorite. But undoubtedly we’ll made. I loved so many great parts
He was awesome as Wallander .. almost as good as the Swedish original.
Sir Kenneth 'chuckles'
a genius
Seen the film superb ❤️
I live here in Northern Ireland no one understands the troubles unless u grew up in them like I did
Estou aguardando o Belfast chegar no Brasil para poder assistir. Parabéns pelo filme.
Kenneth Branagh is an amazing actor, director and all-around gentleman. When Kenneth speaks, I listen.
His Thor movie is the second best one, but Ragnarok was so exceptional that I don't hold it against him.
There is a nice touch in this movie to thats a nod to thor :)
There is a real Thor,s Stone here on the wirral...settled by Ingismund a Hiberno Norse warlord, who to show his gratitude to Athelflaed ,the lady of the Mercians ,promptly attacked Chester...
Henry Five was alright, but I'm a big fan of our current Monarch... Queen Elizabeth Two.
By the time they got to Henry Eight, you could tell they were just milking the franchise.
@@jamesbellamy5978 I preferred the gritty reboot Henry: Origins.
Was that the one where Henry fought Tommy Gunn?
Great actor and so handsome
"Henry Five"? Really, Stephen? That's like Tr*mp's "Two Corinthians". At least you didn't read it as "Henry Vee".
Yeah, that was bad. I had to go back to confirm he had actually effed it up like that.
I don't think he screwed up. It's just a way of referring to the Shakespeare play in a familiar way without being too cutsie. I have a theater background from long ago and I used to hear playful references to "Hank Cinq" and "Dickie Three".
This is actually just regular practice, both in theatre and in academics. "Henry Five", "Merchant", "Midsummer" etc.. Also consider the irony: most modern editions refer to the play as "Henry V" when its original title in the First Folio is cited as "The Life of Henry the Fifth" and the first printed version of the play had an even longer title. It really doesn't matter what you call it as long as e all know which play it is that we're talking about.
This KB! Interesting, a face to the name, a name to the face. Almost feels liken to a renewed discovery. Interesting movie director/maker type individual/creative.
Inventive/innovative ‘of the wheel’ done in such a way, as to have one say, who and what is it all about? An intrigue into the creativity. Hopefully a future of such experiences, awaits him and audiences. 👏
As you like it and Belfast were great, 😊
Hardly anyone remembers that Lockhart's favorite colour is Lilac.
What a cool guy.
i've never seen it before and Belfast the movie is brilliant
I love how Stephen just skipped over him playing Professor Lockhart in Harry Potterrrrrr
Did a great job. I really hated him!
Look, I love harry potter, but for someone like Kenneth Branagh that's not really the biggest thing in their career even if technically it might seem that way by numbers alone.
@@mayaenglish5424 in may not be that poignant in his own career, but i can guarantee that is his most recognisable role for this generation, so people will of course bring it up often.
@@baokachi9767 Of course, like I said, I love Harry Potter too. I was just pointing out that it wasn't surprising that that's not necessarily the go to introduction if you actually know who he is. You know what I mean? It's certainly on the list, just one of many though. Except if you play the numbers game.
why did stephen colbert have to say henry 'five'? WHY
Painful!
Sometimes his trying to be funny falls flat, not often but yeah this was cringe worthy.
@@kathypiazza7228 he's not trying to be funny though. He did this before. I remember making a joke about it.
You don't joke by offhand butchering the name of your guest's work.
It's really odd though. I'd have thought Stephen would know better. Are Americans really so clueless about both Shakespeare AND English history? Nobody would call Henry VII 'Henry 8' would they? Would they!!?
It's Henry the fifth and Henry the eighth btw, for anyone too embarrassed to ask.
I think that it is a nickname for it. The guy hosted The Tony’s. I think he knows something we do not. Seriously.
Henry 5? Cant wait for Henry 6!
Henry Five? Shakespeare himself called it first The Cronicle History of Henry the fift, and later The Life of Henry the Fifth. Does Colbert know something the scholars don't?
Maybe americans are wondering what happened in the prequels Henry 1,2,3 and 4?