What you did just by trying to help Twomad while he was still above the deep end is heartbreaking, and kind beyond belief. you have the best explanation in the internet for the poor man's circumstances. And you have my respects. R.i.p. Twomad. T_T
this is one of the most kino vods I've seen recently, we got toemad n-mode review, Void voices, fantano slop, Bino storytime, and russian necoark ending
People blatantly celebrating his death publicly majorly pissed me off too, I understand people hated him for his behavior, but to genuinely be celebrating the death of someone who clearly was mentally ill and completely down the rabbit hole with drugs? It's just not okay. I'm glad there's people who think the same as well...
All dude had to do was say "rip twomad. I know there's been a lot of allegations and I have some things I would like to say regarding his past actions. I'll be making a video addressing my experience with him soon after I collect my thoughts, thank you." Nah bro just open it up with a callout and let it sit there. Genius twitter brain right here.
RE: bird bbs, all you're asking is for what the law expects of these sorts of statements. For the civil (not criminal) standard, that's just on a balance of probabilities; more likely than non-likely. You're not asking a lot, but groupthink finds you to be an opponent. Also regarding different driving classifications, here in the Canadian prairies our winters have 17 hour nights and foot of snow and/or ice. Licenses vary based on number of axels, presence or absence of air-brakes, motorcycles, basically number of passengers, and one that lets you do everything
if law enforcement was called which it was mentioned their should be public logs of this as well, unless no arrest were made, although calls are sometimes posted as well.
Considering what Kiwisunset QRT'd the post with, I could totally believe, Jameskii, especially since Ross is batting for him as well. Admittedly though, especially if you're gonna do it after they're dead, you should bring evidence of it.
Also, I know it's hard to believe when you don't witness groups of people like that IRL, but a lot of "People on Twitter are like" is actually just genuine group think that happens on and off the internet.
Its a fair issue, if it is true there is always the reality that if hes been in a shitty mental state for an extended time period he just didnt think through how this would be percieved without the proof and just wanted to put his truth out. Not a great plan of action but people fuck up when they arent all there. Doesnt excuse but could explain
TwoMad was killed by twitter no doubt. Moved out to LA to make more content and got chewed up and spit out. A genuinely unique guy ends up in the cess pit that is LA and of course starts doimg drugs as is the standard out there and before long is dead. A story told too many times to list. A shame. Truly a shame. He will be missed.
Twomad was killed by the internet in general. He was a deeply self-centered person, never learned to behave like a normal guy, never felt nor understood other people's feelings. He didn't believe in (or wanted) having true friends, never opened up to people who tried to help him. All he needed was the constant stream of satisfaction of having likes, views and even many times fed upon drama to get internet interaction out of it. While his health deteriored, his fanbase clinged on him and encouraged him to continue his streams and ragebaits, while people who truely cared begged him to take a break from streaming.
I think the burden of proof is important, obviously- but when someone is relating a personal experience they had with someone on social media, we don't immediately need receipts, no? Twitter isn't a courtroom and I don't think we should expect it to be. I don't think that's anything to get upset about, if anything that can create a culture in which people who are wronged feel that they can't say anything unless they had collected "hard evidence." It's not the law, and people talking about things that did (or did not) happen to them is better than wanting people to be silent if they didn't have the foresight to collect evidence. There isn't evidence for most SA, but I'm sure we wouldn't want people to be quiet unless they "brought receipts." Investigation into facts of the matter will happen either way.
to some extent, yes, there should be trust on the internet - but as long as people are going to do false allegations, especially on people who receive a lot of attention (that are more likely to recieve false allegations), there should be some proof neccecary - believing someone's allegations, only to find out later they were false can affect trust in allegations much more than taking evidence first. Take the Kwite situation - I have seen many say that they are much more cautious of allegations after that, as they believed Orion in the first place, and felt betrayed afterwards.
I'd agree with your statements, but keep in mind that making public allegations of such a degree can be tantamount to ruining someone's life permanently. Allegations ALONE are sometimes enough for employers to fire you, banks to deny you loans, and people to stay away from you regardless if said allegations are true or not. It's one thing to post personal experience for the sake of posting it, but it's another to do it when there's a chance of it completely destroying someone's life. It is then when the burden of evidence becomes necessary, even more so considering some people will just make shit up solely to ruin people they don't like. That being said, you are still right. Sometimes allegations are really all you have. The people who have actually suffered shouldn't be discouraged from speaking up because of it. But since there'll always be assholes who make fake allegations against people, both requiring and not requiring evidence become problematic to some degree. I guess what I'm saying is that there's no real answer to this problem. No matter how you look at it, both sides would be right and wrong to ask for evidence. Maybe that just means it has to be left up to our individual judgement on whether people are ok to be wanting evidence or not.
@@ne0space I agree with this. Evidence is obviously important and no action should be taken without it, nor should people blindly just believe someone wholeheartedly on word alone. That said, nobody should get mad at someone for not posting evidence when they state something that happened to them specifically. It's not like jameskii is spreading rumors of things he heard about tm without evidence, this supposedly is first-hand experience. Wanting evidence is good, but that doesn't make recounting something that happened to you *bad* if you don't post receipts- which is the very questionable turn albino takes in this vid. Honestly I think albino may have more of a bias towards twomad / against jameskii than he lets on, considering his very strange response here and his language in other streams, which explains it a bit.
@@FinnishArsonist Proof is important in any case, yeah. I generally take issue with Albino acting like jameskii did something morally wrong by not putting up evidence for a personal allegation of his on social media. He wasn't saying "evidence isn't important and everyone must believe this without evidence" by saying "this personally happened to me," and the leap of faith albino makes between those two concepts seems to be a bit partisan. The language he used on this stream and later ones gives me the distinct impression that he was sympathetic towards twomad and does not like jameskii, which explains most of this, honestly. In the end it's youtube drama, and it doesn't matter !
3:53:20 that reaction says it all that smile. it wasnt happiness haha cool game. fck all the politics. never goes anywhere to talk about that shit. people spinning circles, and only hate each other more after sharing their thoughts on whatever subject is at hand. omega rarely you'll have someone who simply accepts each's opinion as theirs. and you can have a mature discussion about that stuff. but even then, nothing was gained. except a tiny bit of mutual understanding about said topic. i think i'd rather explain Neco Arc to someone that doesnt use the internet, than talk about politics for more than a minute
Bino I love you, but your near-complete silence when working makes it very difficult to use you as a para-companion while I'm playing my own game! Vinesauce Joel is the opposiite. He never seems to shut up!
Most of Twitter users are bunch of sad and ignorant people. Didn't expect from Jameskii such a thing. Posting after 2 hours of hes death is realy wild :/ P.S. This comment was deleted for some reasone. Made new one.
6:40 why not just leave it at that? This Jameskii guy might be an oddball but i really don't see any reason to take the time to publicly defend Twomad to your audience
He isn’t defending twomad, he’s criticizing that he tweeted about it without posting evidence. Like he should’ve organized his thoughts before making it public so he can post it along with evidence
@@newguy8288 But evidence have been circulating for almost a year? Private DMs, conversations, VIDEO EVIDENCE of him rumbling about it on stream. People just seem to have specifically forgot about it for whatever reason. Twitter didn't started to hate on the guy out of the blue, he was genuinly a troubled and dangerous person.
Glad to know my favorite streamer is slightly unhinged but not clinically insane unlike the rest of the internet 💀
Its so funny when albino says something on twitter, people hate him for it and forget in a week max.
This is is like the third time this has happened.
When Twitter can't call you racist, homophobic or a pedophile it is a lot lamer
Fr. Twitter being twitter xd
most of the time it's just people going, "Yeah you should probably delete this." And they stop caring after that.
First time i’ve not skipped straight to the gaming.
Same
Nah f twitter drama man
What you did just by trying to help Twomad while he was still above the deep end is heartbreaking, and kind beyond belief. you have the best explanation in the internet for the poor man's circumstances. And you have my respects. R.i.p. Twomad. T_T
really loving the votv streams, really fun seeing how you go on the game
Most based Finnish opinion
Tenma moment
this is one of the most kino vods I've seen recently, we got toemad n-mode review, Void voices, fantano slop, Bino storytime, and russian necoark ending
Yeee :)
1h20 for unhinged jameskii was overkill tho
I hope he continues playing voices of the void, theres genuinely so much to explore and shit your pants about ☠️
twitter really is "the pot calling the kettle black" as a whole
People blatantly celebrating his death publicly majorly pissed me off too, I understand people hated him for his behavior, but to genuinely be celebrating the death of someone who clearly was mentally ill and completely down the rabbit hole with drugs? It's just not okay. I'm glad there's people who think the same as well...
Fuck he gonna do now? Bro 💀 af
11 months later, this is now the norm for society especially liberal folk
All dude had to do was say "rip twomad. I know there's been a lot of allegations and I have some things I would like to say regarding his past actions. I'll be making a video addressing my experience with him soon after I collect my thoughts, thank you."
Nah bro just open it up with a callout and let it sit there. Genius twitter brain right here.
RE: bird bbs, all you're asking is for what the law expects of these sorts of statements. For the civil (not criminal) standard, that's just on a balance of probabilities; more likely than non-likely. You're not asking a lot, but groupthink finds you to be an opponent.
Also regarding different driving classifications, here in the Canadian prairies our winters have 17 hour nights and foot of snow and/or ice. Licenses vary based on number of axels, presence or absence of air-brakes, motorcycles, basically number of passengers, and one that lets you do everything
if law enforcement was called which it was mentioned their should be public logs of this as well, unless no arrest were made, although calls are sometimes posted as well.
Many thanks for timecodes!
10:55 lmao
If jotchua had X:
W bino take
Kiisliy actually means sour in Russian
Glad to know he isnt completely restarted
HERO
Considering what Kiwisunset QRT'd the post with, I could totally believe, Jameskii, especially since Ross is batting for him as well.
Admittedly though, especially if you're gonna do it after they're dead, you should bring evidence of it.
Also, I know it's hard to believe when you don't witness groups of people like that IRL, but a lot of "People on Twitter are like" is actually just genuine group think that happens on and off the internet.
Its a fair issue, if it is true there is always the reality that if hes been in a shitty mental state for an extended time period he just didnt think through how this would be percieved without the proof and just wanted to put his truth out. Not a great plan of action but people fuck up when they arent all there. Doesnt excuse but could explain
55:37 onwards is fucking hilarious
TwoMad was killed by twitter no doubt. Moved out to LA to make more content and got chewed up and spit out. A genuinely unique guy ends up in the cess pit that is LA and of course starts doimg drugs as is the standard out there and before long is dead. A story told too many times to list. A shame. Truly a shame. He will be missed.
Twomad was killed by the internet in general. He was a deeply self-centered person, never learned to behave like a normal guy, never felt nor understood other people's feelings. He didn't believe in (or wanted) having true friends, never opened up to people who tried to help him. All he needed was the constant stream of satisfaction of having likes, views and even many times fed upon drama to get internet interaction out of it.
While his health deteriored, his fanbase clinged on him and encouraged him to continue his streams and ragebaits, while people who truely cared begged him to take a break from streaming.
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Jochua clapu
Jameskei was always very suspect imo. also we cant forget that he plays vr chat.
I think the burden of proof is important, obviously- but when someone is relating a personal experience they had with someone on social media, we don't immediately need receipts, no? Twitter isn't a courtroom and I don't think we should expect it to be. I don't think that's anything to get upset about, if anything that can create a culture in which people who are wronged feel that they can't say anything unless they had collected "hard evidence." It's not the law, and people talking about things that did (or did not) happen to them is better than wanting people to be silent if they didn't have the foresight to collect evidence. There isn't evidence for most SA, but I'm sure we wouldn't want people to be quiet unless they "brought receipts." Investigation into facts of the matter will happen either way.
to some extent, yes, there should be trust on the internet - but as long as people are going to do false allegations, especially on people who receive a lot of attention (that are more likely to recieve false allegations), there should be some proof neccecary - believing someone's allegations, only to find out later they were false can affect trust in allegations much more than taking evidence first. Take the Kwite situation - I have seen many say that they are much more cautious of allegations after that, as they believed Orion in the first place, and felt betrayed afterwards.
I'd agree with your statements, but keep in mind that making public allegations of such a degree can be tantamount to ruining someone's life permanently. Allegations ALONE are sometimes enough for employers to fire you, banks to deny you loans, and people to stay away from you regardless if said allegations are true or not.
It's one thing to post personal experience for the sake of posting it, but it's another to do it when there's a chance of it completely destroying someone's life. It is then when the burden of evidence becomes necessary, even more so considering some people will just make shit up solely to ruin people they don't like.
That being said, you are still right. Sometimes allegations are really all you have. The people who have actually suffered shouldn't be discouraged from speaking up because of it. But since there'll always be assholes who make fake allegations against people, both requiring and not requiring evidence become problematic to some degree.
I guess what I'm saying is that there's no real answer to this problem. No matter how you look at it, both sides would be right and wrong to ask for evidence. Maybe that just means it has to be left up to our individual judgement on whether people are ok to be wanting evidence or not.
@@ne0space I agree with this. Evidence is obviously important and no action should be taken without it, nor should people blindly just believe someone wholeheartedly on word alone. That said, nobody should get mad at someone for not posting evidence when they state something that happened to them specifically. It's not like jameskii is spreading rumors of things he heard about tm without evidence, this supposedly is first-hand experience. Wanting evidence is good, but that doesn't make recounting something that happened to you *bad* if you don't post receipts- which is the very questionable turn albino takes in this vid. Honestly I think albino may have more of a bias towards twomad / against jameskii than he lets on, considering his very strange response here and his language in other streams, which explains it a bit.
@@FinnishArsonist Proof is important in any case, yeah. I generally take issue with Albino acting like jameskii did something morally wrong by not putting up evidence for a personal allegation of his on social media. He wasn't saying "evidence isn't important and everyone must believe this without evidence" by saying "this personally happened to me," and the leap of faith albino makes between those two concepts seems to be a bit partisan. The language he used on this stream and later ones gives me the distinct impression that he was sympathetic towards twomad and does not like jameskii, which explains most of this, honestly. In the end it's youtube drama, and it doesn't matter !
Imagine dying while playing overwatch
"Of the dead do not speak ill."
Why did he restart from scratch again?
I think this is modded Isaac 3:31:06
3:53:20
that reaction says it all
that smile. it wasnt happiness haha
cool game.
fck all the politics. never goes anywhere to talk about that shit. people spinning circles, and only hate each other more after sharing their thoughts on whatever subject is at hand.
omega rarely you'll have someone who simply accepts each's opinion as theirs. and you can have a mature discussion about that stuff. but even then, nothing was gained. except a tiny bit of mutual understanding about said topic.
i think i'd rather explain Neco Arc to someone that doesnt use the internet, than talk about politics for more than a minute
I really don’t like he shows one of my comments there ;-;
Bino I love you, but your near-complete silence when working makes it very difficult to use you as a para-companion while I'm playing my own game!
Vinesauce Joel is the opposiite. He never seems to shut up!
is that game on source engine ?
i think it is, not 100% sure tho
No, it’s unreal engine.
NOOOO WHY DOES ALBINO ALWAYS PLAY 1000000 HOURS NOITA and 2000000 HOURS ISAAC WHEN I WATCH BUT WHNE I DONT HE PLAYS COOL GAMES?
noita > anything
Most of Twitter users are bunch of sad and ignorant people.
Didn't expect from Jameskii such a thing.
Posting after 2 hours of hes death is realy wild :/
P.S. This comment was deleted for some reasone. Made new one.
not gonna lie it is kinda your fault for using twitter and expect people to be sane there.
in my memory twomad suddenly stopped being as funny so i stopped watching him and then hearing that he OD'd made it make sense why it dropped off
Last time I think he's still somewhat funny was when he join random group chat during covid peek then that's that
@jameskii murder attempts me arse.
6:40 why not just leave it at that? This Jameskii guy might be an oddball but i really don't see any reason to take the time to publicly defend Twomad to your audience
He isn’t defending Twomad, he’s just pointing out that is absolutely retarded to accuse someone of something and having no concrete proof whatsoever
asking for car faxs dosnt make me a car salesmen
He isn’t defending twomad, he’s criticizing that he tweeted about it without posting evidence.
Like he should’ve organized his thoughts before making it public so he can post it along with evidence
@@harpoon_eggs it kinda does if you ask for them in front of your huge audience. A sponsor at least
@@newguy8288 But evidence have been circulating for almost a year? Private DMs, conversations, VIDEO EVIDENCE of him rumbling about it on stream. People just seem to have specifically forgot about it for whatever reason. Twitter didn't started to hate on the guy out of the blue, he was genuinly a troubled and dangerous person.
3:19:48 Average twitch streamer scared of taking a bath