As an Aboriginal Australian I'd just like to say thank you for the respect you payed to us and our Dreaming in your intro. It is surprising how many people in this day and age just skip over the importance of this aspect. Love your work man keep it up and I'd be interested to see your take on our Creation stories too. Laterz
Thank you so much! I really am happy that you appreciated how I dealt with that topic. It seems a lot of people view dreamtime stories with negative connotations. I may look into delving into those beings as well but I think it would take more than two parts. There are quite a few of them...but they at quite interesting. As a native have you ever heard of the carkit? I read something about it being a form of grim reaper but i'm not sure the information was legit.
Originally before English colonization there were 300+ tribes over an area larger than Europe. Each one with their own Dreaming - there own stories of creation and their connection to their land. So I can't say that I am personally familiar with the Carkit story but I shall ask around and look into it for you if you could site the Area that it's stories originated. Whist some stories are shared. A lot are specific to a people, an area and hence it's own dreaming. My two suggestions for you with regard to dealing with Indigenous Australian dreaming is to please not refer to the "Dreamtime' as a Myth or legend. It is something very really to us.It ties us in with our country(specifically our tribes area), our language, our culture and our family systems. In a culture that lasted 60k years at least without a written language, words are very important. Finally - a lot or people try to touch upon Indigenous subjects from a colonial paradigm which of coarse can not understand something that needs to be understood as much with the heart as with ones head. Laterz mate and good luck.
b rad G'day , just read through your comments and am interested to know about the descriptive nature of Aboriginal language from your perspective? I've heard that the English language has been altered to the detriment of understanding the concise nature of what is being communicated. From my understanding both Hebrew and Native American language can offer in depth less disputable word based cultural historical teachings due to the unadulterated langue that apparently remains pure and superior in descriptive content to the English language . I believe what is handed down from one generation to another within the same blood line is far superior to any doctrine that may be susceptible to external modification. I know the best information I've received in my time has all been via word of mouth.
Pointed tin hats are good for keeping the "drop bears"from harming you lmao. You have to watch out for the hoop snakes too lmao. This was beautifully done Ben Thank you finally an American that reports accurately.
The "Drop Bear" is based on the Thylacoleo carnifex or "marsupial lion" that would climb trees & drop down onto prey. Some people believe that it isn't as extinct as we've been told, there have even been sightings of a creature that closely resembles the "marsupial lion".
That study about T-Rex actually concluded that it was still extremely likely that the T-Rex was at least partially if not mostly covered in feathers, with featherless legs more akin to modern day chickens
This was my introduction to your channel... great presentation! I remember first hearing the Bunyip legend when I was about five years old and it creeped me out back then. Well, I was only five... 😊👻
Thank you! I enjoy your channel as well.The Bunyip is a strange one. I just saw today that there are multiple named versions of it outside of the normal one.
The "drop bear" does sound strangely like the Thylacoleonidae ,the marsupial lion. It was probably an ambush predator ;some think it layed in trees like a puma. It also appears to have been depicted in Aboriginal rock art.
Didn't the last Thylacene die in the late 1800s? At least in modern history, as there's a photograph of her pacing her enclosure. Is that the same creature your talking about?
It is also believed that when aboriginals told white settlers about the drop bear, they were actually talking about the marsupial lion and not the koala.
Drop Bears was a story told by Australians as a practical joke to US Servicemen that were stationed in Australia during the Second World War. This was to get them to do silly things like put vegemite behind their ears and silly things on their heads or helmets. Two of my aunts married US Servicemen and moved to the US.
there are articles on the internet mama says, that explain that ghost children push your car off the tracks because in the 30-40's they were killed NY a train on the tracks, and that it says it happened around San Antonio, but also there are other articles that say its a legend. I also spoke to her about Saratoga, and she says there's a light that goes up and down Bragg Rd. I'm curious to know about that also. I'm tellin' you, tho, I've heard the children and bus thing was in the same area also. I've been privileged enough to have been able to communicate with and see signs of spirits also, as have several of my family. there was a hospital, now torn down that I was working on that had a spirit who would manifest itself to me and others several times in the form of an oblong light about 2-3 feet off the floor. I would talk to and acknowledge it, and it would come greet me and whoever was with me quite often after awhile. thank you for listening, and I hope Mr. Miller pursues some of this. thanks Michaiilala
No known Tyrannosaurids are discover in Australia, But other Theropod dinosaurs (called the megaraptorids) were discovered in Australia. They're called Australovenator, Rapator and an Unnamed megaraptorid that was Featured in Walking with Dinosaurs
Have you ever checked out the ghosts of Saratoga, Texas? its said that if you park your car along certain railroad tracks there, that handprints will appear as your car is pushed off the tracks by children who were in a bus wreck years ago there.
I called my mama, and she says its in that area, but she believes its in Hull, actually, not Saratoga, but that is the general area. Thank you for noticing. I appreciate it. I'll have to look up the San Antonio one.... Ben Miller where are you? thanks mich
The News about the T-rex Skin Is being misrepresented in the news, It is only about 4 inchs of skin, and does not exclude Feathers as there are even today raptors (Birds of prey) with both Feathers and scaly skin.
I am glad you included the Hawkesbury River Monster. There is book published on this Australian cryptid and the author states that he has received hundreds of reported sightings: www.lulu.com/shop/www.lulu.com/shop/rex-heather-gilroy/river-of-monsters/paperback/product-22592064.html
Thank you for the book suggestion! I know some people may get tired of me making videos about Australia but it really has a treasure trove of sightings of all different types.
Ben, I have a copy of the book and have undertaken some research into the Hawkesbury River Monster this year. I know a person who lives in a remote area on the river and he has heard the noise from some large unknown animal in the water at night.
T-rex had feathers in a few places, not all over. The areas of skin found of the t-rex, are not from those areas. Also the feathers are likely not like the feathers of todays birds.
LOL...loved it... I think the heat and peyote type halucingenics over there give them a awesome imagination... but I'm sure at some point their may be some truth to them.
Great video! Can you tell me please what film did the image at 8:29 come from? Also the animation when you introduce each cryptic? Thanks ! Love this channel!
Thank you so much! The black and white clip was from the movie : The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes. I was shocked to find out that was the title as well.
I don't know why I didn't think about doing that. Very good suggestion and I have written it down and will give you credit when I make a video about it.
Drop bears can be easily explained. Koalas habit of sleeping for most of their time unfortunately they can fall off their perch and there have been rare occasions where an unlucky hiker has been in the wrong spot at the wrong time when one has dropped on them. Imagine falling while you're asleep and landing abruptly on something or someone waking you up. Koalas have large claws and can be aggressive so a frightened koala can do some damage. Their average weight is around 15 kg (approximately 30 pounds) having a heavy furry creature land on you abruptly from a great height would not be a happy experience. People often exaggerate things when they are in a heightened state of emotion especially fear. combine that with a poor old koala falling on them the story becomes a huge, aggressive, deadly monster trying to eat them. Attacks like this are very rare because it is an unfortunate coincidence. The point of Non Australians being attacked, think tourists do a lot more hiking and adventuring so the risk of a koala drop becomes higher. Attacks like this have resulted in minor to large scratches and bites but none have been fatal. The Australian Sense of humour along with a rare coincidental accident gave birth to the Drop bear :) Australian Tourism even made a joke with the title "Look up and Live" and stuck a photoshopped koala attacking a person. this is actually a real hiking tip when walking in forests as branches do snap off tress so looking up every once an awhile is a good safety tip along with actually seeing our Fuzzy animal.
If you want nightmares for the rest of your life then look up the bunyip song from dot and the kangaroo and since I'm mentioning the bunyip, there's is this bunyip thing in a cage that when you put a dollar in it comes up out of the water makes a few roaring sounds then goes back under, I used to be terrified of it when I was little thinking it was real
Being an Australian, much of what you are talking about seems a little unlikely. I think a lot has been lost in translation. Much of the mega fauna was present in Australia when the first Aboriginal people arrived 60,000 years ago. Some of these creature were giant reptiles, flightless birds and 9' tall kangaroos. Much of the mythology of the indigenous people comes down through time from those ancient encounters. Are any of those things present now? Doubtful. But for fun with respect to Drp Bears, look Thylacolea Carnifex. It is one of those creatures which resembles the many reported sighting of a large black cat like creature in various parts of Australia, but mainly in tropical north east. It has these monstrous claws for climbing trees, which some have suggested allows them to wait for an unsuspecting prey animal to come past before they drop down on them.
The recent evidence of the scaled T-rex is false, the areas of the body that the skin impressions were found in are areas that we know weren't covered in feathers, but the Tyrannosaurus rex was still covered mostly in feathers. :)
the dinosaur is depicted in stone art in way more detailed examples than the one provided. born and bred in arnhem land NT. i know what im talking about.
That article about t rex scales isn't completely true. The scale impressions were extremely tiny, and they were found from body parts of the t rex we know modern birds have featherless. T rex had feathers. Almost every single one did. But nice video
Although there's been evidence of a few dinosaurs having feathers is there any proof besides assumption that T-rex had feathers such as feather imprints from one?
Drop bears are a joke, as any Aussie knows. I think the bunyip exists, however, you won’t hear Aussies bother to talk about it. I sometimes bring up the topic of Yowies (Aussie Sasquatch) but people just look at me dumbly and say nothing. They are clueless about their existence. You would have been better to spend time on the Yowies, than the ridiculous drop bear.
DInosaurs with feathers is not a theory my good Cryptoozoologist, and no that paper with the T.rex skin if you actually read it did not say T.rex was actually scaly but instead certain areas had scales as other areas had feathers and skin, SO you will have to live with it. Also mind you Tyrannosaurs are native to Asia and North America and did live in Australia and If it does exist it would more likely be an Australovenator Great video though you are awesome
+Porg-a-gawa trex had both feathers and scales in the same time...but they had scales more than feathers...because if such a big creature were covered with feather it would die out of over heating..as the temperate in the Cretaceous was very high..
Aryama Chatterjee No not really, for the most part tree lived in a place like northern Florida, so it probably had feathers on its neck and body with scales on the legs,feet,face and tail
About your whole T. rex. not having feathers thing. That's simply not true that is just showing that the t Rex didn't have feathers in Certain parts of it's body. It was just over sensationalized by the media. In reality it only confirmed what was already theorized about the placement of T. rex feathers.
The problem with it being true or false is sort of moot since neither side of the coin has proof; just theories as far as I know. I see a lot of people firmly say they did while others say they didn't and each side can't be proven. One of the places that I saw claiming T-Rex wasn't feathered was the Smithsonian Institute.
As an Aboriginal Australian I'd just like to say thank you for the respect you payed to us and our Dreaming in your intro. It is surprising how many people in this day and age just skip over the importance of this aspect.
Love your work man keep it up and I'd be interested to see your take on our Creation stories too. Laterz
Thank you so much! I really am happy that you appreciated how I dealt with that topic. It seems a lot of people view dreamtime stories with negative connotations. I may look into delving into those beings as well but I think it would take more than two parts. There are quite a few of them...but they at quite interesting. As a native have you ever heard of the carkit? I read something about it being a form of grim reaper but i'm not sure the information was legit.
Originally before English colonization there were 300+ tribes over an area larger than Europe. Each one with their own Dreaming - there own stories of creation and their connection to their land. So I can't say that I am personally familiar with the Carkit story but I shall ask around and look into it for you if you could site the Area that it's stories originated. Whist some stories are shared. A lot are specific to a people, an area and hence it's own dreaming.
My two suggestions for you with regard to dealing with Indigenous Australian dreaming is to please not refer to the "Dreamtime' as a Myth or legend. It is something very really to us.It ties us in with our country(specifically our tribes area), our language, our culture and our family systems. In a culture that lasted 60k years at least without a written language, words are very important. Finally - a lot or people try to touch upon Indigenous subjects from a colonial paradigm which of coarse can not understand something that needs to be understood as much with the heart as with ones head. Laterz mate and good luck.
Why do you need Cryptids down there
Everything alright wants to kill us
b rad
G'day , just read through your comments and am interested to know about the descriptive nature of Aboriginal language from your perspective?
I've heard that the English language has been altered to the detriment of understanding the concise nature of what is being communicated.
From my understanding both Hebrew and Native American language can offer in depth less disputable word based cultural historical teachings due to the unadulterated langue that apparently remains pure and superior in descriptive content to the English language .
I believe what is handed down from one generation to another within the same blood line is far superior to any doctrine that may be susceptible to external modification. I know the best information I've received in my time has all been via word of mouth.
@@BenmillerIceWolfVideos You didn't included Yowie.
Pointed tin hats are good for keeping the "drop bears"from harming you lmao. You have to watch out for the hoop snakes too lmao. This was beautifully done Ben Thank you finally an American that reports accurately.
The "Drop Bear" is based on the Thylacoleo carnifex or "marsupial lion" that would climb trees & drop down onto prey. Some people believe that it isn't as extinct as we've been told, there have even been sightings of a creature that closely resembles the "marsupial lion".
hahaha, love the part about our drop bears and vegimite
Please do a video on The Dream Time. I would really like to see it. Very interesting subject!
That study about T-Rex actually concluded that it was still extremely likely that the T-Rex was at least partially if not mostly covered in feathers, with featherless legs more akin to modern day chickens
How do you keep your kids from drowning in the river? Tell them there is a monster that will get them if they play in the water.
Just another reason that I won't be planning a trip to Australia any time soon. Great video, Ben!
if you want to see Australia's nessy you gon need about tree fiddy
hahahahahah...fkn nice one ya cunny funt 🇦🇺👍😂
love ur vids they generally make my Mondays better :)
thanks for this,you put me onto some things i was unaware of. knowledge evolves us so thanks for that again.
This was my introduction to your channel... great presentation! I remember first hearing the Bunyip legend when I was about five years old and it creeped me out back then. Well, I was only five... 😊👻
Thank you! I enjoy your channel as well.The Bunyip is a strange one. I just saw today that there are multiple named versions of it outside of the normal one.
Interesting... I left you a message in the Creator Community.
The "drop bear" does sound strangely like the Thylacoleonidae ,the marsupial lion. It was probably an ambush predator ;some think it layed in trees like a puma. It also appears to have been depicted in Aboriginal rock art.
Didn't the last Thylacene die in the late 1800s? At least in modern history, as there's a photograph of her pacing her enclosure. Is that the same creature your talking about?
Dawn Hernandez no he is talking about a marsupial lion or the thylacoleo and is basically a hybrid between of a koala and leopard
Lmao yer we tell people to put tooth paste behind their ears to keep drop bears away.... idiots
It is also believed that when aboriginals told white settlers about the drop bear, they were actually talking about the marsupial lion and not the koala.
Always entertaining
Always open
Always educational
Thank you so much
Thank you for the kind words and I am always glad to hear from you!
Drop Bears was a story told by Australians as a practical joke to US Servicemen that were stationed in Australia during the Second World War. This was to get them to do silly things like put vegemite behind their ears and silly things on their heads or helmets. Two of my aunts married US Servicemen and moved to the US.
there are articles on the internet mama says, that explain that ghost children push your car off the tracks because in the 30-40's they were killed NY a train on the tracks, and that it says it happened around San Antonio, but also there are other articles that say its a legend. I also spoke to her about Saratoga, and she says there's a light that goes up and down Bragg Rd. I'm curious to know about that also. I'm tellin' you, tho, I've heard the children and bus thing was in the same area also. I've been privileged enough to have been able to communicate with and see signs of spirits also, as have several of my family. there was a hospital, now torn down that I was working on that had a spirit who would manifest itself to me and others several times in the form of an oblong light about 2-3 feet off the floor. I would talk to and acknowledge it, and it would come greet me and whoever was with me quite often after awhile. thank you for listening, and I hope Mr. Miller pursues some of this. thanks Michaiilala
No known Tyrannosaurids are discover in Australia, But other Theropod dinosaurs (called the megaraptorids) were discovered in Australia.
They're called Australovenator, Rapator and an Unnamed megaraptorid that was Featured in Walking with Dinosaurs
Have you ever checked out the ghosts of Saratoga, Texas? its said that if you park your car along certain railroad tracks there, that handprints will appear as your car is pushed off the tracks by children who were in a bus wreck years ago there.
You mean San Antonio, Texas. We have the Ghost Tracks here. That would be cool if he checked it out! :D
I called my mama, and she says its in that area, but she believes its in Hull, actually, not Saratoga, but that is the general area. Thank you for noticing. I appreciate it. I'll have to look up the San Antonio one.... Ben Miller where are you? thanks mich
I am glad you enjoyed it and as for your question I am from Pennsylvania.
The News about the T-rex Skin Is being misrepresented in the news, It is only about 4 inchs of skin, and does not exclude Feathers as there are even today raptors (Birds of prey) with both Feathers and scaly skin.
I am glad you included the Hawkesbury River Monster. There is book published on this Australian cryptid and the author states that he has received hundreds of reported sightings:
www.lulu.com/shop/www.lulu.com/shop/rex-heather-gilroy/river-of-monsters/paperback/product-22592064.html
Thank you for the book suggestion! I know some people may get tired of me making videos about Australia but it really has a treasure trove of sightings of all different types.
Ben, I have a copy of the book and have undertaken some research into the Hawkesbury River Monster this year. I know a person who lives in a remote area on the river and he has heard the noise from some large unknown animal in the water at night.
T-rex had feathers in a few places, not all over. The areas of skin found of the t-rex, are not from those areas. Also the feathers are likely not like the feathers of todays birds.
That last scene with what looked like a giant sloth and youngster, was cool. What show/movie did that come from?
ha ha drop bears! I love it
Watched both, no megalania?
LOL...loved it... I think the heat and peyote type halucingenics over there give them a awesome imagination... but I'm sure at some point their may be some truth to them.
Great video! Can you tell me please what film did the image at 8:29 come from? Also the animation when you introduce each cryptic? Thanks ! Love this channel!
Thank you so much! The black and white clip was from the movie : The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes. I was shocked to find out that was the title as well.
Thanks so much !
The drop bear does the same thing in crossy road
Do Dreamtime Creatures PLEASE!!!
I don't know why I didn't think about doing that. Very good suggestion and I have written it down and will give you credit when I make a video about it.
In Germany the jackalopes have wings.
The crazy idea of dinosaurs...
Drop bears can be easily explained. Koalas habit of sleeping for most of their time unfortunately they can fall off their perch and there have been rare occasions where an unlucky hiker has been in the wrong spot at the wrong time when one has dropped on them. Imagine falling while you're asleep and landing abruptly on something or someone waking you up. Koalas have large claws and can be aggressive so a frightened koala can do some damage. Their average weight is around 15 kg (approximately 30 pounds) having a heavy furry creature land on you abruptly from a great height would not be a happy experience. People often exaggerate things when they are in a heightened state of emotion especially fear. combine that with a poor old koala falling on them the story becomes a huge, aggressive, deadly monster trying to eat them. Attacks like this are very rare because it is an unfortunate coincidence. The point of Non Australians being attacked, think tourists do a lot more hiking and adventuring so the risk of a koala drop becomes higher. Attacks like this have resulted in minor to large scratches and bites but none have been fatal. The Australian Sense of humour along with a rare coincidental accident gave birth to the Drop bear :) Australian Tourism even made a joke with the title "Look up and Live" and stuck a photoshopped koala attacking a person. this is actually a real hiking tip when walking in forests as branches do snap off tress so looking up every once an awhile is a good safety tip along with actually seeing our Fuzzy animal.
Just put a bit of Vegemite behind my ear and I'm good to go just like a typical Australian LOL
Maybe The Feathers Were For Mating Purposes?
could you do the Gnomes of scotland.?
I would be interested in that. I will write it down in my idea list and credit you with it when I make it. Thank you!
Ben miller Thanks. love the videos. theres a pretty cool story to them and why we have them in our gardens too.
If you want nightmares for the rest of your life then look up the bunyip song from dot and the kangaroo and since I'm mentioning the bunyip, there's is this bunyip thing in a cage that when you put a dollar in it comes up out of the water makes a few roaring sounds then goes back under, I used to be terrified of it when I was little thinking it was real
If you think thats scary check out the Banksia Men in Snugglepot and Cuddlepie.
LoL that bunyip is in Adelaide yea? Near the the whispering well ?
Dot and the kangaroo ❤️
Robyn Nunya
LoL so true !
Anyone remember Frog Dreaming ? Vhs or Beta ...📽📼📺
Being an Australian, much of what you are talking about seems a little unlikely. I think a lot has been lost in translation. Much of the mega fauna was present in Australia when the first Aboriginal people arrived 60,000 years ago. Some of these creature were giant reptiles, flightless birds and 9' tall kangaroos. Much of the mythology of the indigenous people comes down through time from those ancient encounters. Are any of those things present now? Doubtful. But for fun with respect to Drp Bears, look Thylacolea Carnifex. It is one of those creatures which resembles the many reported sighting of a large black cat like creature in various parts of Australia, but mainly in tropical north east. It has these monstrous claws for climbing trees, which some have suggested allows them to wait for an unsuspecting prey animal to come past before they drop down on them.
Trex DID have feathers though
The recent evidence of the scaled T-rex is false, the areas of the body that the skin impressions were found in are areas that we know weren't covered in feathers, but the Tyrannosaurus rex was still covered mostly in feathers. :)
Loch ness has been talked about fir over a 1000 years
*Come and visit us in Australia! Here is a list of things that won't kill you:* 🤔
"Some of the sheep".
the dinosaur is depicted in stone art in way more detailed examples than the one provided.
born and bred in arnhem land NT. i know what im talking about.
Mate, I don't doubt it. Just don't tell anyone or there'll be some rich dickhead wanting to shoot them.
That article about t rex scales isn't completely true. The scale impressions were extremely tiny, and they were found from body parts of the t rex we know modern birds have featherless. T rex had feathers. Almost every single one did. But nice video
trex did have feathers the scaly skin was from the leg In the original document it states that (great video but just saying )
there war likely feathers on the rest of the body
Although there's been evidence of a few dinosaurs having feathers is there any proof besides assumption that T-rex had feathers such as feather imprints from one?
Toby Bliss yep
t rex had feathers
Drop bears are a joke, as any Aussie knows. I think the bunyip exists, however, you won’t hear Aussies bother to talk about it. I sometimes bring up the topic of Yowies (Aussie Sasquatch) but people just look at me dumbly and say nothing. They are clueless about their existence. You would have been better to spend time on the Yowies, than the ridiculous drop bear.
this video makes me want to move to Australia even more 😢also buronjor if it has feather it might be a yutirannus
Jackson Bartlett sorry mate but we are all full up lmao.
Robyn Nunya to bad
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love ur content bro. keep them coming. u have facebook?
Thank you! Yes I do. The links for all my social media is on my channel page.
Um Ben Miller T. rex do have feather
DInosaurs with feathers is not a theory my good Cryptoozoologist, and no that paper with the T.rex skin if you actually read it did not say T.rex was actually scaly but instead certain areas had scales as other areas had feathers and skin, SO you will have to live with it.
Also mind you Tyrannosaurs are native to Asia and North America and did live in Australia and If it does exist it would more likely be an Australovenator
Great video though you are awesome
welcome to australia mate, more like fark off were full
1. It's a marsupial NOT a bear
2. Drop bear's did exist during the ice age and is called thylacoleo
3. It still exists
Yes it's not a bear but a carnivorous koala
Drop bears are very dangerous!
5:19 somebody link this to LazerBeam
Northern Territory
It's been a while since I made this video. Did I forget to talk about that in it?
that t-rex scale thing simply isnt true just watch trey the explainer's video
Tomzillaeatspie no it is
Omarcomics911 whell yes it did have scales but still probably had feathers it most likely had both even raptors and yutyranus had some scales
kamata-kizzle
I ♥ trey the explainer
+Porg-a-gawa trex had both feathers and scales in the same time...but they had scales more than feathers...because if such a big creature were covered with feather it would die out of over heating..as the temperate in the Cretaceous was very high..
Aryama Chatterjee No not really, for the most part tree lived in a place like northern Florida, so it probably had feathers on its neck and body with scales on the legs,feet,face and tail
Video begins @ 1:38
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Fuck yeah straya boys I'm telling ya airs rock is far from crust mate
About your whole T. rex. not having feathers thing. That's simply not true that is just showing that the t Rex didn't have feathers in Certain parts of it's body. It was just over sensationalized by the media. In reality it only confirmed what was already theorized about the placement of T. rex feathers.
The problem with it being true or false is sort of moot since neither side of the coin has proof; just theories as far as I know. I see a lot of people firmly say they did while others say they didn't and each side can't be proven. One of the places that I saw claiming T-Rex wasn't feathered was the Smithsonian Institute.
...Despite 5 different members of the Tyrannosaur family actually having fossilized feather imprints like the Yutyrannus
Michaela
Michiilala
I was gonna type about the scale fossil actually coming from the leg like birds have scales on their legs, but I already see people beat me to it.
you are very wrong about the 10 minute limit...if the topic is interesting GO LONG...
They don't really have the time for that, geez, calm down. They're busy you know.
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