Ford Econoline E350 Electronic Throttle Body Issues and Fixes, 5.4 Liter
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2017
- Being on a small farm and with a large family, our van is a multi-purpose vehicle and a very important part of our lives. This video addresses one of the few issues that we have had with these vans in the 430,000+ miles that we have put on them over the last 12 years.
This covers the replacement of the Throttle Position Sensor, the Throttle Body itself and the Accelerator Pedal and Sensor. The OBDII code was a P2111 - Throttle Actuator Control System - Stuck Open. 
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good video - photos and lighting made it much easier for diagnostics . it will save me hours on figuring out the issue .
Thanks. We now have a 2014 E-350 with 88,000 miles. It started having issues a few weeks ago with stalling out at idle. Code was P025A. Ford wanted to replace the throttle body and I had to insist that they not do that and look for something else. (I know what a bad throttle body looks like from multiple experiences). They finally determined it was a bad fuel control module, which is now part of the fuel pump assembly in the tank. $1200.00.
Great Video, use to have a Ford Van also ran it for ten years went thru two engines, two rear ends, same transmission. sold it running and new owner totaled it!
Thank you so much I work for AutoZone and I’ve sold both of those parts the pedal sensor and the Throttle
unit to a customer a well-known customer of mine and I told him I would do some research and this has been so very helpful to help me help my customer solve the situation I’m going to apply this week as a team are going to apply this information so we can get the customer back on the road thanks a lot have a good day
i just started having that problem .. thanks for the info
great information, I know what to look for, now I can try to fix my issue,
Thank you for posting.
Thanks for the very though explainations. I have a p0506 code which is clean throttle body. I wasn’t sure how to get to it and you saved me a lot of work. Thanks again for taking your time to video the process. I’m also glad to know that I am not the only one that is a parts replacer😀 However I’ve found I can replace a lot of parts to resolve most issues compared to what the dealer charges👍
Glad this helped out! FYI, we just bought our third Econoline van, a 2014, the last year they made them. The prices on them are really going up since everyone from owners to mechanics seem to hate the new Ford Transit.
very helpful ! It turned out mine was a wring issue as well.
I had very similar problems on my 2006 E350 recently. Unfortunately I could not find a new TB-motor wiring connector so I did not change that one myself. After spending a grand on new TB, TPS, and TPS wiring harness however, it ended up being the problem just like shown and stated in this great video. If you tackle any of this yourself watch out for the screws on the TPS. Found out the hard way that Ford has another famous flaw in that they put way too much lock tight on those two little buggers. Both mine broke off resulting in the need to pull the TB and replace it too. if you want to change the TPS, take off the TB first, and hit those two screws with a torch for a few seconds to break the lock-tight, then use an impact gun to remove the two little TPS mounting screws. hopefully that will prevent them from breaking off on you.
Andrew Lojo Yes, I had heard the same thing, that's why I was very careful when I started loosening those screws. Fortunatley, mine came off pretty easy.
I noticed on acceleration I don't go as fast as I used to.I just had the Mass Air Flow Sensor done yesterday because the van would lose power when I made a right hand turn from a stop? And sometimes when I start at a green light. I have 145 thousand on my 06 E350. Thanks and great video. Also I have no codes on the dash.
You are a good person thanks for the info
Dude... Very good. Very sorry you went through that
+Sean Sigh Thank you! We had to be towed twice in two months, which is no fun. I highly recommend belonging to AAA, I get 4 free tows per year, up to 100 miles each.
+Ace Carter Glad this helped, please let me know what your problem ends up being. We were without our van for about a month while I diagnosed this, so I know what it's like. These vans are pretty resilient, so it should be something simple.
Yes it was very useful thank. 👍
Thanks for the video have similar situation
Thanks That was a great help. My '06 e-150 Is throwing up a p2132 code "Accelerator pedal position 3-circuit low" Wrench light is on. Didn't go into total limp mode though. Not sure where to start.To make matters more complicated I had an aftermarket Cruise control installed a couple of years ago. One of it's wires connects to the pedal pos. censor. So the cruise has stopped working also.
robert cuthill If you know of somebody who can check the voltage on your throttle body wiring for free or cheap, I would start there. But that sounds very similar.
@Milk and Honey Homestead. It is very similar. Could be a fairly common thing. I downloaded a diagnostic program called Forscan. It's reads Ford specific codes that generic code readers are blind to. Had to get a laptop usb connector to OBD2 to run the program. ebay has it for about $35 bucks. Not bad considering the money I can save running Ford specific diagnostics. One of the big auto repair franchises around here wanted to charge $90 just for doing the diagnostic. Than they said "you may end up having to take it to Ford".
The Foot pedal has a sensor which is suppose to electronically connect to the throttle sensor you pointed out which is usually the problem if any water or soda or whatever get in it you are stuck hopefully not full throttle! Which does happen with run away new vehicles! I would see if you can convert to old cable method!
Thank you
Very detail video i have a E250 Ford Econoline 2000 V8 5.4L with a code p1121 what could be the issue any suggestions?
Ty sir...that's all I gotta say
Could I use a 2002 throttle body on a 2005 e250 model?
05 e350 extended incomplete van. 320k
Just started having your issue. It really likes to do it most on inclines of any sort for me. A few times it will do the 800rpm stop, other times shut off, other times run like a diesel. My question is specific to where the pigtails are located. Is this in the main harness or where they tie into their respective harnesses then to the main harness. It's frustrating only being able to max at 60mph as the higher speeds seem to exacerbate the frequency of forced power mode when under load or heavy road deformities. It hasn't yet done it on any downhill. I can also see what looks to be voltage issues in the rpm needle while under load. It's small pulses that drop the needle slightly and the pcm is trying to correct. Eventually it throws internal torque calculation codes causing me to pull over and shut off , erase code and restart. Oddly enough also on an incline, when my blower is on, ac or heat, the air will stop blowing from the vents yet the blower is still on and running. All of that while under load on incline.
UPDATE
Found a large wire harness that lays on the egr pipe and has wear from heat and vibration. It is where the TPS pig tails in.
Mine would do it on an incline sometimes, or when you started or stopped quickly. Also, it never did it with a cold engine, but it would once it warmed up. Ford said that this is because the wiring harness would "droop" when it got hot or when it moved around suddenly, causing the breaks in the harness to stretch and lose voltage.
Have you ever heard about these sticking open.... so you can come to a stop... hitting the brakes hard and suddenly your power braking you you hear the rear tires spinning......scared the crap out of me the first time... LOL. But it races... I put it in neutral... it races up to a hair over 3K rpm then it goes back down to normal idle.
GROUND STRAP is what happened to mine. It was under the van around the passenger seat.
That's a new one, I'll have to look that up. Thanks!
@@SixteenChickens I saw it happened to someone else online too. I couldn't believe it was so simple. it was all torn up, just hanging by a thread.
I just installed a new motor in my 2004 ford e350. Where does the throttle body oit line go to
Did any of this before the fix effect the shifting? Mine seems like the trans slips around 50 mph
Never had a problem with shifting. That might be a coil pack issue.
Hi love your van. have two codes on and limp mode P061B P2105. Any ideas on both? What is your mpg highway?
Hughie Boss Thank you, I bought the fog lights from an F250, they were easy to wire, but really hard to mount correctly in the bumper. Anyway, your second code is throttle body related. I would check your throttle wiring and connectors for any cracks or breaks. Also, let the engine idle and move your throttle pigtails up and down and see if the problem changes at all. My wiring would begin to sag as the engine warmed up and reach the point where the cracks, etc. would begin to degrade the voltage, then triggering the issue. Finally it just got to the point where the wiring was always losing voltage due to age. If nothing works, I would take it to Ford and get them to at least diagnose the problem. They will do this for free and only charge you if you choose to have them do the work. Thanks.
@@SixteenChickens gr8 idea will get a can of electric contact cleaner and spray connections.
By the way, we get about 16mpg on the highway with these vans, and that's fully loaded. Between city and highway driving it averages about 13.5mpg. We recently sold the van in the video and bought a 2014 model with 50K miles on it. It gets the exact same mileage.
Having similar problem with my 02 e-250 hard pedal at first then it loosens up but it also wants to die when I accelerate and sometimes dies when accelerating would that be a throttle body issue if anyone knows I will appreciate the help
Interesting that leading up to my throttle body issue, the accelerator pedal felt "sticky" when you first touched it. It would loosen up as you drove. After I fixed the TB issue, the stickiness went away. I would say that any issue with stalling or hesitation is probably TB related.
Milk and Honey Homestead thank you for the response I cleaned my throttle body last nite but it started to rain so I couldn’t test drive to see if it feels better I will update to see if that help for anyone else that might have a similar or same problem 🙏
@william wallace Not sure why that would be necessary, plus with the doghouse situation, removing the Intake manifold would be a major pain.
Can you reverse with the sensor bad?
You skipped over the disconnect of the wires from the sensor.. mine is not coming off easy at all..
nothing like chancing an issue, take it to a parts center like advanced auto to read the codes
Think you should clean your battery terminals
Did your van make a noise when you lost power?
I have a Ford 2013 E-series van and today I got a sensor warning (which was a small wrench), which turned out to be a "Powertrain Malfunction/Electronic Throttle Control" light. The vehicle appeared to be working normally, with no signs of any issue. However after I stopped the vehicle for a few minutes, when I got back in and started her up, put the vehicle in drive, and it would rev up but it didn't go anywhere. Tried restarting vehicle with no change. So now I'm trying to figure out the problem. I've seen a video suggesting it may be Electronic Throttle Body failure. Or maybe its just a sensor issue........or a throttle pedal issue.........or a wiring issue.... So my question is how do I figure out which is the problem? If anyone can help me out on that I would be very appreciative. I would certainly like to avoid having to go thru what this gentlemen went thru, that's for sure. Was there a way that could of avoided having to troubleshoot like that? You mentioned a volt meter perhaps.
I’m having the same problem
Having same issue. Please tell me what you did
@@MrKevingore Holy crap, I'm sorry but at this moment I am totally drawing a blank. This is crazy. I had several issues with that van that I had to resolve. But this one I am absolutely not remembering what was done to solve the issue, if it was solved at all. Now eventually, the transmission went out on that van and essentially it was useless at that point and was sold for scrap. I don't recall if this was the problem that I was having in this comment though. I actually had 2 vans that were of the same model and year, or close to the same year, and both of them had the transmissions go out. If it comes back to me, I'll let you know.
Why would you by from Ebay
Just drive it till it breaks.. I been driving mine for 7 years hasn’t broke yet😆
I found mine for about 33 bucks new at autozone. Never order stuff like that from Amazon or eBay.
on my 10th van, 4th Ford Econoline. Past time to give that poor baby a bath under the hood! -----Mikey
We've since sold that van, it had 266,000 miles on it and still going strong. We bought a 2014 Econoline with only 45,000 miles on it, our third one. Had the fuel pump go out at about 75,000 miles which was unusual. I think the van had sat for long periods of time with ethanol in the tank.
It's 5.4 2 value engine right
Yes, that's right.
Never put a 3 valve in an E Series...EVER
So that what they told
Wiring issues will create so much ghosts chasing.
You are just guessing at everything. Have you taken it to auto zone or Napa or someone and have them hook up the tester. The computer should tell you all the codes to your problems.
Yes, that was actually the first thing that I did. Unfortunatley a P2111 can be multiple issues and in the end the problem was something that the code had nothing to do with.
@@SixteenChickens I guess. I have a 2000 E150 with 4.6 and within the first 5 years I had it, I had many codes for sensors going bad and the zone read every one spot on. And just recently I had coil problems, after 125,000 on it. The reader pinpointed which cylinder and picked the coil from coil, plug or fuel injector.
Sorry,, just from what you were saying, you were kinda guessing. Be nice to get 2 or 300,000 out of mine but guess we have to be understanding that certain parts don't last forever.
Discontinued 2014
I have 2014 E250
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