Also just noticed how dusty the piano of old lady/June Hudson is, absolutely no way a lady of her age would let the outside be that dirty, the keys maybe but not the lid!
Weird thing with Susan Twist, when she shows up on the screen, the Doctor just happens to be distracted by the exploding pipe, you see him turn away just as she shows up. This is pretty similar to the Devil's Chord where he talks to the tea lady but never sees her. It feels like they're drawing each other in, meeting in closer encounters each time: Wild Blue Yonder: They're in the same geographical location but there's no way they could have seen each other. Church on Ruby Road: They're both in the same room at the pub but there's a really busy crowd and the doctor's sort of round the corner so not exactly likely he got a good look or even saw her. Space Babies: He Likely hears her, turns away but this recording of her is way closer and in his face than anything else so far. Devil's Chord: They literally talk to each other, though without looking at each other. The Clip from the Finale: They're full on chatting face to face.
... Susan Twist was in a lot of the episodes now. + There is always a Twist in the end is a hint on Susan Twist in my eyes because they make a lot of 4th Wall breaking in this season + specials.
That was a double take moment for me too, needed more context on that! I really hope we get to hear Seán's thoughts on it now that its aired. *runs off to watch Dr Who Unleashed*
I've come up with a theory. Mrs Flood is part of the pantheon, and not just one of them. She is goddess of "Stories." She is likely older than even The Toymaker, the oldest of all of them. She created Ruby as a character in her story. This explains seeing Susan Twist, but ALSO explains fourth wall breaks and musical numbers, as what we watch as the show becomes increasingly becomes more meta. In some ways, she is outside the story, controlling it, entertaining herself.
The One Who Waits will be a version of the Doctor. The clues are there. Firstly Maestro wondered how the OWW was present when Ruby was a child... just like the Doctor was. Secondly we see the billboard for Chris Waites and the Carollers - Chris "waits"?; Carollers (Carole Ann Ford / Susan Twist?), furthermore Chris Waites was the stage name of John Smith (John Smith and the Common Men)... now who do we know that uses that name?
@@adrianhead6272 The more I think about it, the more I think you're on to something. I doubt this will play out, but I'm almost convinced it's the Valeyard. Who was the last person to make that reference? It's the some entity who last controlled snow. Hear me out. What if the "one who waits" is the Valeyard, and the Yaleyard is a future version of the Doctor taken over by the essence of The Great Intelligence. When he realized Clara was somehow countering his attempts at killing the Doctor he instead chose to infect him and as the Valeyard isn't considered "the Doctor" (just like the War Doctor wasn't) Clara wouldn't recognize him as one to save. Like I say, I doubt it will play out that way, but what if? I could see someone with the power of the Doctor and the cold, calculating, ruthlessness of Mr. G.I. being something this Pantheon would fear.
My initial prediction - Susan Twist is Susan Foreman regenerated and she is also Ruby's birth mother. The Doctor is traveling with his great granddaughter, but doesn't realise it yet. Susan is The One Who Waits. "One day I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine." This is RTD we're talking about, there are going to be some epic timey-wimey twists with story arcs that span multiple seasons and link back to the earliest episodes (a refreshing change from Chinball's dull, treat-the-audience-like-children, explain-a-moral-at-the-end-of-the-episode-like-Captain-Planet style of storytelling).
@@retnavybrat I absolutely agree, but The Doctor would recognise her with the same face, so a different incarnation makes sense. That doesn't discount the possibility though, time travel allows all sorts of things 👍🏻
@@lukeinksonWaaaay back in "Dalek", the Doctor says he can sense other Time Lordx. He mentions it again in "The Sound Of Drums." In "The Doctor's Wife", he sctually does sense a Time Lord. Well, partially. It also happens a few times in the classic stories. ("Facelift?" "Several, actually.") Still, timey-wimey. I'm sure it crossed RTD's mind when Ms.Twist was cast, regardless.
@@patcat8950 "I'd know. In here. Feels like there's no one." But then there are all the times he didn't feel them....Melody/River all throughout her timeline, The Master/Missy multiple times, Jo Martin's Doctor to name a few off the top of my head. Oh and he thought Jenny was dead, but she regenerated and he didn't realise, so she is still out there somewhere. Susan could easily be using some sort of perception filter, plus she is only half Timelord I believe, so (in the words of Tom Baker) who knows aye? WHO KNOWS 😉
I noticed that every time The Doctor said "babies" he would correct himself immediately and say "space babies" which I felt was a very Matt Smith thing to do.
The snow inside the TARDIS after the scan, also reminded me a bit of the pollen/spores in the Dream Lord episode. (You know, the one where Rory has that mullet? 😂)
I still think 'Mavity' is more than a running joke but is part of the story arc. The doctor always says changing the past can have consequences, so changing the word Gravity to Mavity must surely have consequences too. My 1 doubt about it though is that Ruby doesn't ask what it means. Plus Mavity and Susan Twist first appear in the same episode. Coincedence?
Well, in “Wild Blue Yonder”, Donna Noble forgets what “gravity” means, and the Doctor has to translate it to “mavity” for her sake, meaning that the entire human race has forgotten that word (which is weird because it exists in so many other senses), but the Doctor - who can recall different time lines - still remembers it. Plus, in actual history, Newton did not invent the word gravity at all; it was used in English to describe the tendency towards downward motion 20 years before Newton was even born. So I actually suspect that “mavity” symbolizes a disturbance in the universe which, once rectified, will cause a reversion back to “gravity”. At which point, only the Doctor will remember “mavity”
Well yeah she wouldn't ask...Mavity has replaced Gravity entirely. Even Donna only knows it as Mavity and was confused when 14 said Gravity and he corrected to Mavity. There isn't anything to question because that's how it is for her.
@@ugolomb it drives me crazy that the entire gag is based on the idea that Newton invented the word along with the theory. As you state, the word is older than he.
@@ugolombgravity also comes from the very old Latin words Gravis and Gravitas which both mean heavy in different senses, so it means Newton entirely ignored all of these and just went with what he thought the Doctor and Donna said.
@@Sparx632 Indeed. If Donna had actually *said* mavity, Newton would have heard it as "gravity", since that's the word he was familiar with. (IIRC, Newton published his theory in Latin, though I'm sure he also spoke about it in English)
I was surprised by Ellie complaining about the first episode not having a cold open when Rose did the same thing, esp with this episode being RTD's greatest hits (tropes) speed run.
The Doctor repeatedly changes his observations about babies to 'space babies' - the 12th Doctor told Clara off for putting 'space' in front of words (in Clara's case, it was 'space restaurant'), to which Clara retorts that the 12th Doctor is a pedant. Pedant is one of the Time Lord names the 15th Doctor mentions when listing Time Lord names.
I also found him correcting himself strange. Do you think it was to avoid patronizing them? To distinguish them from normal babies as a separate species?
Does anyone else have a feeling that the "Snow" that keeps appearing might instead be salt? When the doctor caught it in Ep 1, it looked a lot more like salt than snow
I think that "let's visit them" is a hint that the Pantheon trapped the Doctor in a fictional reality, that Ruby is a fictional character created by them for their own amusement, and that the Doctor is going to turn the tables on them by making Ruby a legend so that she can stay real after he defeats them. After all, The Chuch on Ruby Road literally opens with the Doctor telling us a story starting with "Once Upon a Time", and all the 4th wall breaks, and the Sonic looking like a TV remote...
Not quite a Doctor Who reference but there's a mention of a Carla Colosanto (a classmate of Nathan's) in Queer as Folk written by a certain Mr R T Davies.
In the Star Beast it is also the surname of Rose's friend Fudge (in the Comic he was a blonde boy with no family name mentioned, who had a cat, that was NOT eaten by the Meep, because it escaped in time)
Mavic Chen was namedropped in the Giggle, RTD even commented on how ludicrous it was that he got Ncuti to namedrop such an old and niche character in the commentary. I highly doubt Mavic Chen is returning so doubt the Rani is for the time being.
Something that some people have noticed in regards to the Dalek Invasion of Earth reference is that, when Ruby is picking the date they are going to, the Doctor does look breifly concerned when she is picking the number, until she adds 6, inferring that his mind went there as well as ours.
Hey Ellie @5:42 From Transformers, Deaths Head as a character bumped into the 7th Dr who shrank him to human size in Doctor Who Magazine #135. He has been bumped around time a bit, but is effectively a Marvel (Disney) character (used by permission). Spiderman did appear in an early issue of Transformers comics and DH has done a few runs with Marvel by now meeting FF and Iron Man, so they all exist in Marvel 616 unless retconned. Anyway, not in the same Universe.. multiverse? IDW did print stories with Transformers and ST:TNG as you mentioned.... so maybe... Dr Who, Marvel, Transformers, My Little Pony, GI Joe M.A.S.K, Mars attacks etc are all together. DC and Marvel existed into the Amalgam Universe, so we can then pull all their characters and Dredd, then by extension Alien and Predator, and therefore Archie.... This could be a large rabbit hole.
Except it isn't Marvel 616, it's Earth-5556... furthermore recent events in the Star Trek universe suggest that if you hop reality and jump through time IT KILLS YOU!
I also noticed in one of the shots of that planet that the space station was flying over, the lights on that planet kind of resembled gallifreyan writing
Just wanted to add regarding the TARDIS scanning Ruby: Remember that the Fob-Watch, according to the Doctor himself in "Human Nature", would re-write the user's DNA to make them appear (in this case) human. He even presented as only having one heart when examined. So for the Ruby-is-a-Time-Lord Theorists out there, the TARDIS scan doesn't really mean anything in terms of debunking that idea.
I did find the smashing up of the ceiling to be rather odd. I could have sworn that with intentional travel, as opposed to forceful shunting or rocky landings.. The TARDIS molds space around it such that it "fits" in any given space. If that is the case its either an oversight or Ruby's home is temporally and spatially locked, thus the property damage. Which, also brings with it all sorts of implications.
The TARDIS translating for you sounded a lot like the sentient ship that translated for her passengers in the novel Starship Titanic. Maybe John Lloyd (or the Douglas Adams estate, who knows) decided they were no longer happy with that...
I once read a german fanfiction which takes place in the Trekverse (Star Trek TOS) and in that ff the 10th doc slips in. That was part 1. Part 2 was vice versa: The Enterprise with J-L P. slips into the whoniverse. And the quote from the doctor to Ruby that they could visit the Trekverse made me think of this fanfiktion could come to live - sort of.^^
Possible deep cut easter egg: Susan Twist is playing Gina Scalzi in this ep. Is this possibly a reference to John Scalzi, author of lots of military sci-fi, including "Redshirts" which riffs on the well known Star Trek trope.
Did I miss something or why the direct and quite excessive reference to Ray Bradbury's famous time travelling short story Sound of Thunder is not noted at all? I bet it foreshadows something significant.
Found this really interesting and I loved the episode Space Babies! It was so much fun and the space babies were adorable! 😂 I'm really intrigued to see if the susan twist characters have any connection to the mystery surrounding ruby! Great video, thanks Ellie and Who Culture! 😊😊
So many people bashing it seem to be allergic to just goofy fun. Someone saying the story always needs stakes. So a fun story can't just be a fun story.
I'm hoping for Twist to be the architect of a bubble reality. That will explain the many fourth wall breaks (the bubble reality is under observation, it's not a Brechtian alienation device, it's talking to the watcher)
I mean I have a headcanon that the Federation in Star Trek is one of the great and bountiful human empires the Doctor keeps going on about especially in RTD1 so maybe its not out of the question.
I think the translation matrix and the perception filter are one and the same. the perception filter to translate would only exist around the tardis and where it was for a limited time. The translation matrix explicitly only affects things near the tardis and the doctor, and only affects people for so long after they have stopped traveling with the tardis. it could just be two parts of the same mechanism.
I hope they have the To Wong Foo reference as part of their Devil's Chord video. Not exactly DW, but it did make me very happy and surprised when Susan Twist's character said it.
Honestly just getting quite confused with all the mysteries going on at the same time, while a lot of them will likely tie together its confusing right now All of ruby’s origin The pantheon The one who waits The boss Susan Triad showing up Harbinger still being around The neighbour knowing about the TARDIS
Surely bogeyman being kicked out of the airlock with Doctor holding on similar to Doomsday with all the Cybermen/daleks being sucked into the void with Doctor and Rose holding on and alternative universe Pete catching Rose before she meets the same fate?
The Doctor probably didn't need to scan Ruby to confirm that she was human. When she steps on the butterfly at the start of the episode, the fact that changing something on Earth immediately changed her species makes it pretty clear that she's native to the planet. A better question might be whether there's something particular going on since Donna's return which is suddenly causing the Doctor's actions to change the future timeline in a way they usually don't. For example 'Father's Day' established that the Doctor can't change fixed points in time, which this episode reinforces, and yet we saw that the Maestro's actions changed the future in a way which would prevent Rose even being born.
So, I have a theory that I would love to get some feedback on and I'm actually honestly pretty surprised I haven't seen it anywhere else. We all remember the Toclafane that the Master used to try to destroy/rule/devastate the earth with in series 3, that actually turned out to be humans from the end of time sent back to kill their ancestors. The Doctor was surprised at the name the master chose, explaining that it was a mythical monster from Timelord culture, and that the Master had chosen it to wind him up. You can probably already see where I'm going with this, but what you may not remember is that the Doctor specifically compares them to the "Boogie Man". Well, now we have a real Boogie Man, as the little incident with the salt in Blue Yonder has caused all sorts of previous myths to become real. I think this was an intentional callback to that conversation. The real Toclafane are coming! Let me know what y'all think.
Since Donna taunted Isaak Newton in 1666, that only HE could understand the "GRAVITY of the situation" - and he misremembered her word as "mavity", every reference to gravity is now called mavity - the Doctor still knows both words and reacted mildly surprised that Donna didn't, on that far off space-ship in "Wild Blue Yonder"... Just rewatch special 2 of the 60th anniversary run 2023
I kinda wondered is the Bishop could perhaps be the Time Meddler from the 1st Doctor's run. I can't remember if the Time Meddler ever mentioned a name, but he was a Time Lord dressed as a monk and was living in a church/monastery, just like a bishop would.
The meddeling Monk was never very posh, a poor pupil and a sad trial-run of a trickster. There was the Corsair (by Neil Gaiman) with his/her prominent snake tattoo and a lot of teachers on Gallifrey went as far as being called Cardinal +name. Romana only had a terribly long name, that got shortened by the Doctor, to get a quick warning out, before any monster could eat her.
There was a short story done in the 1970s after Tom Baker's run or maybe during his run where the enterprise gets a visitor in a blue police box and it's Tom Baker's doctor and they were talking about an evil race that all they do is fight and they have destruction and he's talking about the satire and they're thinking Klingons but it was the Santorins so I don't know if the enterprise got knocked into the hudders or Doctor Who got knocked into the Trec Universe but somehow they mashed together for a little while I don't remember how the story finishes up but obviously saved the day I thought it was going to be the Daleks you know coming in but nope now I would love to see the Daleks made up with the Borg or the Cyberman meet up with the Borg because the segment would love to get their hands on the nanotech that the Borg have to assimilate it would make it would make the severance so much more dangerous so they can just walk up to you stick you in the back of the neck with the new prongs and you're now at Cyberman oh God that would be heavy horrendous peering I wonder if paramount slash cbs would be interested in doing a crossover Between Star Trek Universe and universe The doctor versus Q would be an interesting take too
maybe susan twist is like clara...? the way theres thousands of claras throughout time and theres the same with her. thats the only thing i can think of rn
the uniforms of the adult crew in space babies are one step away from being star trek uniforms, I was surprised by how blatant the homage was. Same stripe of color across the shoulders and collar as the ds9 uniforms, and even the same divison colors of red, yellow and blue.
Another couple of easter eggs: The way that Ncuti Gatwa describes being a genocide survivor is not coincidence. I feel that was the actor speaking through the character. Second one: The flame-thrower on Captain Poppy's chair is an echo of Shirley's (Ruth Madely) from The Star Beast. As a fellow wheelchair user, couldn't help but notice and envy!!!
Apparently Big Finish can't use anymore the character of the Rani for copyright issues after Pip Baker's death. What about the BBC? Is it the same for them?
The Bishop has to be a reference to Aliens, there's plenty of similarities between this episode and the film, and the film has an android called Bishop
I love the look of the next episode boom. I really enjoy the devles cord. And there were good parts of space babies. So far, I am really enjoying this series.
To be fair to Star Trek, it is very obvious that the Borg is a clear reference to the Cybermen. The clue is in the title of the episode where the Borg made their debut. *Q Who* > *Doctor Who*
The brainy-specs the Doctor uses so often, are not only for show, but to have a clear look through all those perceptions going on - is the "always tidy dress" of the TARDIS crew also perception-filtered? Tegan wore her stuardess uniform for a very long time, without ever getting a speck on it. And the 5th Doctor had to get mortally sick, before his clothing got any stains. There also was that "dress up spray" River Song unsed to get even more presentable on their trip to Daryllium. Would explain the clothing the 14th Doctor morphed into - it just felt right for him, so he filtered into it ... had to look for a new coat, because the virtual one burned with the coffee incident🤗
I saw the episode with the toymaker but missed out on the next one , so I this was my first full story with Ncuti Gawa and I was really apprehensive that the new doctor would be terrible. Aside from the odd accent ( is he trying to sound like Jodie Whittaker?) and his odd taste in knitwear, I did warm to him pretty quickly, phew I was afraid it’d be the eighties all over again and a succession of bad casting 😀. Ruby was (thankfully) pretty good too. The plot was nuts overall but I enjoyed the whole thing thoroughly and I’m looking forward to the rest of the series.
I’m glad I stick to this side of the Doctor Who fandom. Because there are videos on RUclips that complain about WhoDis and say that Doctor Who is dead/ruined
What if this whole 'season 1' rename is tied together, and we end up with a very meta ending where the Doctor realises he is in an in-universe fictional series, and recognises Susan Twist as the actress, rather than the character she's playing?
TARDIS was burning up and recalibrating at this time, got the HATS working though, which gave her all the time in the world to put herself together again (just like the Ghost-monument) waiting somewhere peaceful, until a last moment rescue of the Doctor was necessary - again!
The thing that bothered me about this episode was when the Doctor flew out and hit the airlock door. In that situation, the pull is from the air being sucked out into space, not mavity. He shouldn't have hit the door, but would have been pulled toward the opening by the air rushing out. Obviously, that would not have made for a good ending, nor would it have set up the dramatic save (which, again, was acted as though the Doctor was fighting mavity instead of rushing air), but it did ruin the tension of that scene for me.
The Bishop can only move diagonally through space and time.
And like the Doctor can be either black or white.
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The Bishop? Michael Palin appearance incoming.
IT'S THE BISHOP! Cue black and white titles.
Let's pause for a moment to appreciate Ellie and the Who Culture, who have been grinding to get us these breakdown videos
Thanks for the kind words!
Could not agree more, the team do a brilliant job
Had to pause to write this. Bishop mentioned twice, simples. John Bishop as Dan and then John Bishop comes back as Evil Dan :)
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@@WhoCulture Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ;)
Also just noticed how dusty the piano of old lady/June Hudson is, absolutely no way a lady of her age would let the outside be that dirty, the keys maybe but not the lid!
what's the point of being alive if not to name drop?
@@DinoBoy26 Tell that to Christopher Lee!
Weird thing with Susan Twist, when she shows up on the screen, the Doctor just happens to be distracted by the exploding pipe, you see him turn away just as she shows up. This is pretty similar to the Devil's Chord where he talks to the tea lady but never sees her.
It feels like they're drawing each other in, meeting in closer encounters each time:
Wild Blue Yonder: They're in the same geographical location but there's no way they could have seen each other.
Church on Ruby Road: They're both in the same room at the pub but there's a really busy crowd and the doctor's sort of round the corner so not exactly likely he got a good look or even saw her.
Space Babies: He Likely hears her, turns away but this recording of her is way closer and in his face than anything else so far.
Devil's Chord: They literally talk to each other, though without looking at each other.
The Clip from the Finale: They're full on chatting face to face.
What if Susan Twist is actually the Rani?
@@Its_kipnessSusan Forman
I’m excited to see where this goes!
... Susan Twist was in a lot of the episodes now. + There is always a Twist in the end is a hint on Susan Twist in my eyes because they make a lot of 4th Wall breaking in this season + specials.
She’s not Rose, is she … ?
I love that Sean got to work as one of the puppeteers for Doctor Who. I saw the unleashed and was like... "Is that Sean?" Glad I recognized him.
That was a double take moment for me too, needed more context on that! I really hope we get to hear Seán's thoughts on it now that its aired.
*runs off to watch Dr Who Unleashed*
I've come up with a theory.
Mrs Flood is part of the pantheon, and not just one of them. She is goddess of "Stories." She is likely older than even The Toymaker, the oldest of all of them.
She created Ruby as a character in her story.
This explains seeing Susan Twist, but ALSO explains fourth wall breaks and musical numbers, as what we watch as the show becomes increasingly becomes more meta. In some ways, she is outside the story, controlling it, entertaining herself.
My theory is Mrs flood is rani
The One Who Waits will be a version of the Doctor.
The clues are there. Firstly Maestro wondered how the OWW was present when Ruby was a child... just like the Doctor was. Secondly we see the billboard for Chris Waites and the Carollers - Chris "waits"?; Carollers (Carole Ann Ford / Susan Twist?), furthermore Chris Waites was the stage name of John Smith (John Smith and the Common Men)... now who do we know that uses that name?
The god of stories would be the master of the land of fiction from The Mind Robber
@@djedg10 Now that is interesting. I don't know enough about the 2nd Docotr's adventures. I started watching with the 4th. (like a lot of Americans.)
@@adrianhead6272 The more I think about it, the more I think you're on to something. I doubt this will play out, but I'm almost convinced it's the Valeyard. Who was the last person to make that reference? It's the some entity who last controlled snow. Hear me out. What if the "one who waits" is the Valeyard, and the Yaleyard is a future version of the Doctor taken over by the essence of The Great Intelligence. When he realized Clara was somehow countering his attempts at killing the Doctor he instead chose to infect him and as the Valeyard isn't considered "the Doctor" (just like the War Doctor wasn't) Clara wouldn't recognize him as one to save. Like I say, I doubt it will play out that way, but what if? I could see someone with the power of the Doctor and the cold, calculating, ruthlessness of Mr. G.I. being something this Pantheon would fear.
There's always a 'Twist' at the end.
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My initial prediction - Susan Twist is Susan Foreman regenerated and she is also Ruby's birth mother. The Doctor is traveling with his great granddaughter, but doesn't realise it yet. Susan is The One Who Waits.
"One day I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine."
This is RTD we're talking about, there are going to be some epic timey-wimey twists with story arcs that span multiple seasons and link back to the earliest episodes (a refreshing change from Chinball's dull, treat-the-audience-like-children, explain-a-moral-at-the-end-of-the-episode-like-Captain-Planet style of storytelling).
I don't dislike your theory, but if Susan is going to come back, I'd rather see Carole Ann Ford play her (assuming she's willing and able).
@@retnavybrat I absolutely agree, but The Doctor would recognise her with the same face, so a different incarnation makes sense. That doesn't discount the possibility though, time travel allows all sorts of things 👍🏻
@@lukeinksonWaaaay back in "Dalek", the Doctor says he can sense other Time Lordx. He mentions it again in "The Sound Of Drums." In "The Doctor's Wife", he sctually does sense a Time Lord. Well, partially. It also happens a few times in the classic stories. ("Facelift?" "Several, actually.")
Still, timey-wimey. I'm sure it crossed RTD's mind when Ms.Twist was cast, regardless.
@@lukeinksoncan’t time lords can tell despite regenerations though?
@@patcat8950 "I'd know. In here. Feels like there's no one."
But then there are all the times he didn't feel them....Melody/River all throughout her timeline, The Master/Missy multiple times, Jo Martin's Doctor to name a few off the top of my head. Oh and he thought Jenny was dead, but she regenerated and he didn't realise, so she is still out there somewhere. Susan could easily be using some sort of perception filter, plus she is only half Timelord I believe, so (in the words of Tom Baker) who knows aye? WHO KNOWS 😉
I noticed that every time The Doctor said "babies" he would correct himself immediately and say "space babies" which I felt was a very Matt Smith thing to do.
The snow inside the TARDIS after the scan, also reminded me a bit of the pollen/spores in the Dream Lord episode.
(You know, the one where Rory has that mullet? 😂)
I still think 'Mavity' is more than a running joke but is part of the story arc. The doctor always says changing the past can have consequences, so changing the word Gravity to Mavity must surely have consequences too. My 1 doubt about it though is that Ruby doesn't ask what it means. Plus Mavity and Susan Twist first appear in the same episode. Coincedence?
Well, in “Wild Blue Yonder”, Donna Noble forgets what “gravity” means, and the Doctor has to translate it to “mavity” for her sake, meaning that the entire human race has forgotten that word (which is weird because it exists in so many other senses), but the Doctor - who can recall different time lines - still remembers it. Plus, in actual history, Newton did not invent the word gravity at all; it was used in English to describe the tendency towards downward motion 20 years before Newton was even born. So I actually suspect that “mavity” symbolizes a disturbance in the universe which, once rectified, will cause a reversion back to “gravity”. At which point, only the Doctor will remember “mavity”
Well yeah she wouldn't ask...Mavity has replaced Gravity entirely. Even Donna only knows it as Mavity and was confused when 14 said Gravity and he corrected to Mavity. There isn't anything to question because that's how it is for her.
@@ugolomb it drives me crazy that the entire gag is based on the idea that Newton invented the word along with the theory. As you state, the word is older than he.
@@ugolombgravity also comes from the very old Latin words Gravis and Gravitas which both mean heavy in different senses, so it means Newton entirely ignored all of these and just went with what he thought the Doctor and Donna said.
@@Sparx632
Indeed. If Donna had actually *said* mavity, Newton would have heard it as "gravity", since that's the word he was familiar with.
(IIRC, Newton published his theory in Latin, though I'm sure he also spoke about it in English)
The space babies pajamas are also Star Fleet colors. Caption chair from tos as well as color if her pajamas
I was surprised by Ellie complaining about the first episode not having a cold open when Rose did the same thing, esp with this episode being RTD's greatest hits (tropes) speed run.
I didn't think she was complaining. She noted it as a connection to Rose.
Since Star Trek: Strange New Worlds is currently running, I'd love to see Fifteen and Ruby meeting the crew of Captain Pike!
The Doctor repeatedly changes his observations about babies to 'space babies' - the 12th Doctor told Clara off for putting 'space' in front of words (in Clara's case, it was 'space restaurant'), to which Clara retorts that the 12th Doctor is a pedant. Pedant is one of the Time Lord names the 15th Doctor mentions when listing Time Lord names.
I also found him correcting himself strange. Do you think it was to avoid patronizing them? To distinguish them from normal babies as a separate species?
@@Sarah-dg6xcI think he just finds the idea more fun than ordinary babies.
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12:40 I’m pretty sure she was the face of the ambulance in “Boom” too
Does anyone else have a feeling that the "Snow" that keeps appearing might instead be salt? When the doctor caught it in Ep 1, it looked a lot more like salt than snow
oooh I like this, it fits in with my theory about the overall arc...
Or fallout. The characters see it as snow, but in the devil's chord the ash looked like the snow in space. babies.
Salt would sprinkle not drift
@@darius4405 Magic salt maybe?
No, because salt wouldn’t melt in his hand. It did.
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I think that "let's visit them" is a hint that the Pantheon trapped the Doctor in a fictional reality, that Ruby is a fictional character created by them for their own amusement, and that the Doctor is going to turn the tables on them by making Ruby a legend so that she can stay real after he defeats them. After all, The Chuch on Ruby Road literally opens with the Doctor telling us a story starting with "Once Upon a Time", and all the 4th wall breaks, and the Sonic looking like a TV remote...
Not quite a Doctor Who reference but there's a mention of a Carla Colosanto (a classmate of Nathan's) in Queer as Folk written by a certain Mr R T Davies.
That name is so distinctive I looked into the meaning… saint of the hills
In the Star Beast it is also the surname of Rose's friend Fudge (in the Comic he was a blonde boy with no family name mentioned, who had a cat, that was NOT eaten by the Meep, because it escaped in time)
Mavic Chen was namedropped in the Giggle, RTD even commented on how ludicrous it was that he got Ncuti to namedrop such an old and niche character in the commentary. I highly doubt Mavic Chen is returning so doubt the Rani is for the time being.
CLEARLY it is was a hint that they found The Daleks' Master Plan!!!!! 🤭🤭
"Time Being" would be a great name for the Doctor's Companions. "the Time Lord and their Time Beings"
The rights for the Rani (like Omega) are so snarled up that it’s not likely they’ll ever actually make an appearance. Prove me wrong, show!
Love voyager too. Bishop is a cleric so I wonder if it?si a hint of the monk in the time meddler.
Susan Twist is actually a great name or the character in the actual show. The surname matches what we see her doing. Twisting into different entities.
There's always a twist...
Something that some people have noticed in regards to the Dalek Invasion of Earth reference is that, when Ruby is picking the date they are going to, the Doctor does look breifly concerned when she is picking the number, until she adds 6, inferring that his mind went there as well as ours.
I wonder if Susan Twist's character is the one who waits? She is literally waiting to reveal herself...???
Oooooh I’m in!
I don’t understand how she can be anyone else then Susan. It’s literally in the name. Or do we know that Susan can’t regenerate?
@@lucyairapetian407She’s also been waiting since 67
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Susan Twist is the person that delivers Ruby at the church?
Hey Ellie @5:42 From Transformers, Deaths Head as a character bumped into the 7th Dr who shrank him to human size in Doctor Who Magazine #135. He has been bumped around time a bit, but is effectively a Marvel (Disney) character (used by permission). Spiderman did appear in an early issue of Transformers comics and DH has done a few runs with Marvel by now meeting FF and Iron Man, so they all exist in Marvel 616 unless retconned.
Anyway, not in the same Universe.. multiverse? IDW did print stories with Transformers and ST:TNG as you mentioned.... so maybe... Dr Who, Marvel, Transformers, My Little Pony, GI Joe M.A.S.K, Mars attacks etc are all together. DC and Marvel existed into the Amalgam Universe, so we can then pull all their characters and Dredd, then by extension Alien and Predator, and therefore Archie.... This could be a large rabbit hole.
Except it isn't Marvel 616, it's Earth-5556... furthermore recent events in the Star Trek universe suggest that if you hop reality and jump through time IT KILLS YOU!
Interesting point about Captain Poppy. Her chair is similar to Kirk’s as pointed out, but her costume is also yellow similar to Kirk’s uniform…
I also noticed in one of the shots of that planet that the space station was flying over, the lights on that planet kind of resembled gallifreyan writing
It kinda reminded me of Cybertron 😂
Just wanted to add regarding the TARDIS scanning Ruby: Remember that the Fob-Watch, according to the Doctor himself in "Human Nature", would re-write the user's DNA to make them appear (in this case) human. He even presented as only having one heart when examined. So for the Ruby-is-a-Time-Lord Theorists out there, the TARDIS scan doesn't really mean anything in terms of debunking that idea.
Could Susan Twist be connected to the Mavity situation as that's when we first see her?
I did find the smashing up of the ceiling to be rather odd.
I could have sworn that with intentional travel, as opposed to forceful shunting or rocky landings.. The TARDIS molds space around it such that it "fits" in any given space.
If that is the case its either an oversight or Ruby's home is temporally and spatially locked, thus the property damage.
Which, also brings with it all sorts of implications.
Nevermind The Bishop, I want to see The Corsair!
Ooh , she was a bad girl!
So did everyone miss the fact the the doctor told Ruby his REAL NAME!?!? The very last line is “And my name was” and then it cuts off
The TARDIS translating for you sounded a lot like the sentient ship that translated for her passengers in the novel Starship Titanic. Maybe John Lloyd (or the Douglas Adams estate, who knows) decided they were no longer happy with that...
what if the bishop will be two time lords or something else being two of like the film red notice
I once read a german fanfiction which takes place in the Trekverse (Star Trek TOS) and in that ff the 10th doc slips in. That was part 1. Part 2 was vice versa: The Enterprise with J-L P. slips into the whoniverse. And the quote from the doctor to Ruby that they could visit the Trekverse made me think of this fanfiktion could come to live - sort of.^^
Thank you for mentioning the crossover comic with the 11th doctor and Star Trek the next generation.
Possible deep cut easter egg: Susan Twist is playing Gina Scalzi in this ep. Is this possibly a reference to John Scalzi, author of lots of military sci-fi, including "Redshirts" which riffs on the well known Star Trek trope.
Did I miss something or why the direct and quite excessive reference to Ray Bradbury's famous time travelling short story Sound of Thunder is not noted at all?
I bet it foreshadows something significant.
Found this really interesting and I loved the episode Space Babies! It was so much fun and the space babies were adorable! 😂 I'm really intrigued to see if the susan twist characters have any connection to the mystery surrounding ruby! Great video, thanks Ellie and Who Culture! 😊😊
It'll all tie in somehow, no doubt! 👀
So many people bashing it seem to be allergic to just goofy fun. Someone saying the story always needs stakes. So a fun story can't just be a fun story.
I'm hoping for Twist to be the architect of a bubble reality. That will explain the many fourth wall breaks (the bubble reality is under observation, it's not a Brechtian alienation device, it's talking to the watcher)
I did recognize a few of those Easter eggs while watching it, but some I didn't know, mainly the star Trek ones as I'm not a Trekkie
Surely a translation matrix is the thing that translates, the perception filter is just how it does it's job and gets the translation into your head.
I mean I have a headcanon that the Federation in Star Trek is one of the great and bountiful human empires the Doctor keeps going on about especially in RTD1 so maybe its not out of the question.
I think the translation matrix and the perception filter are one and the same. the perception filter to translate would only exist around the tardis and where it was for a limited time. The translation matrix explicitly only affects things near the tardis and the doctor, and only affects people for so long after they have stopped traveling with the tardis. it could just be two parts of the same mechanism.
I hope they have the To Wong Foo reference as part of their Devil's Chord video. Not exactly DW, but it did make me very happy and surprised when Susan Twist's character said it.
Honestly just getting quite confused with all the mysteries going on at the same time, while a lot of them will likely tie together its confusing right now
All of ruby’s origin
The pantheon
The one who waits
The boss
Susan Triad showing up
Harbinger still being around
The neighbour knowing about the TARDIS
Surely bogeyman being kicked out of the airlock with Doctor holding on similar to Doomsday with all the Cybermen/daleks being sucked into the void with Doctor and Rose holding on and alternative universe Pete catching Rose before she meets the same fate?
The Doctor probably didn't need to scan Ruby to confirm that she was human. When she steps on the butterfly at the start of the episode, the fact that changing something on Earth immediately changed her species makes it pretty clear that she's native to the planet. A better question might be whether there's something particular going on since Donna's return which is suddenly causing the Doctor's actions to change the future timeline in a way they usually don't. For example 'Father's Day' established that the Doctor can't change fixed points in time, which this episode reinforces, and yet we saw that the Maestro's actions changed the future in a way which would prevent Rose even being born.
every time a new companion is introduced in the RTD era, there's no cold open
I wonder if a Perception Field anything like an SEP Field?
ALSO, when the doctor does his scan of Ruby 15:41 it cuts away then comes back and the scan has skipped over her chest bit
So, I have a theory that I would love to get some feedback on and I'm actually honestly pretty surprised I haven't seen it anywhere else. We all remember the Toclafane that the Master used to try to destroy/rule/devastate the earth with in series 3, that actually turned out to be humans from the end of time sent back to kill their ancestors. The Doctor was surprised at the name the master chose, explaining that it was a mythical monster from Timelord culture, and that the Master had chosen it to wind him up. You can probably already see where I'm going with this, but what you may not remember is that the Doctor specifically compares them to the "Boogie Man". Well, now we have a real Boogie Man, as the little incident with the salt in Blue Yonder has caused all sorts of previous myths to become real. I think this was an intentional callback to that conversation. The real Toclafane are coming! Let me know what y'all think.
Very interesting episode and full of maternal instinct I love now the session and I am happy a good screen writer has back
OMG you really do your research love this channel
I think we'll discover the doctor is in a TV show.
10:15 Wait...was that Séan? Was he part of the Space Babies production???
What’s this gravity thing Ellie was talking about in this video? 😂😂
Since Donna taunted Isaak Newton in 1666, that only HE could understand the "GRAVITY of the situation" - and he misremembered her word as "mavity", every reference to gravity is now called mavity - the Doctor still knows both words and reacted mildly surprised that Donna didn't, on that far off space-ship in "Wild Blue Yonder"... Just rewatch special 2 of the 60th anniversary run 2023
Monty Python's Flying Circus: 'It's the Bishop!'
13:5 Oooh, now I wanna see a Doctor Who/Alien crossover!
Love your shirt fun fact it was just my birthday. It was also just Jane’s captain Jejanewaybirthday May 20.
I kinda wondered is the Bishop could perhaps be the Time Meddler from the 1st Doctor's run. I can't remember if the Time Meddler ever mentioned a name, but he was a Time Lord dressed as a monk and was living in a church/monastery, just like a bishop would.
The meddeling Monk was never very posh, a poor pupil and a sad trial-run of a trickster. There was the Corsair (by Neil Gaiman) with his/her prominent snake tattoo and a lot of teachers on Gallifrey went as far as being called Cardinal +name. Romana only had a terribly long name, that got shortened by the Doctor, to get a quick warning out, before any monster could eat her.
There was a short story done in the 1970s after Tom Baker's run or maybe during his run where the enterprise gets a visitor in a blue police box and it's Tom Baker's doctor and they were talking about an evil race that all they do is fight and they have destruction and he's talking about the satire and they're thinking Klingons but it was the Santorins so I don't know if the enterprise got knocked into the hudders or Doctor Who got knocked into the Trec Universe but somehow they mashed together for a little while I don't remember how the story finishes up but obviously saved the day I thought it was going to be the Daleks you know coming in but nope now I would love to see the Daleks made up with the Borg or the Cyberman meet up with the Borg because the segment would love to get their hands on the nanotech that the Borg have to assimilate it would make it would make the severance so much more dangerous so they can just walk up to you stick you in the back of the neck with the new prongs and you're now at Cyberman oh God that would be heavy horrendous peering I wonder if paramount slash cbs would be interested in doing a crossover Between Star Trek Universe and universe The doctor versus Q would be an interesting take too
I was disappointed that 15's list of name examples didn't include the Corsair (ep: The Doctor's Wife).
i gotta go back and watch now..i could have sworn she said 20156 ..the first 4 being a back to the future date.. whch would be cool
maybe susan twist is like clara...? the way theres thousands of claras throughout time and theres the same with her. thats the only thing i can think of rn
the uniforms of the adult crew in space babies are one step away from being star trek uniforms, I was surprised by how blatant the homage was. Same stripe of color across the shoulders and collar as the ds9 uniforms, and even the same divison colors of red, yellow and blue.
How about 'stepping on a butterfly' and a similar conversation between Ten and Martha?
There is a TARDIS in one of the Disneylands, Doctor Who is in the Disney-Verse at least.
OMG, love your T-shirt!
Another couple of easter eggs: The way that Ncuti Gatwa describes being a genocide survivor is not coincidence. I feel that was the actor speaking through the character.
Second one: The flame-thrower on Captain Poppy's chair is an echo of Shirley's (Ruth Madely) from The Star Beast. As a fellow wheelchair user, couldn't help but notice and envy!!!
Apparently Big Finish can't use anymore the character of the Rani for copyright issues after Pip Baker's death. What about the BBC? Is it the same for them?
The Bishop has to be a reference to Aliens, there's plenty of similarities between this episode and the film, and the film has an android called Bishop
I just assumed the “let’s go visit them” line was supposed to be taken as “let’s go visit the actors on set”
I love the look of the next episode boom. I really enjoy the devles cord. And there were good parts of space babies. So far, I am really enjoying this series.
There could be a new Rani and they could go back in time to meet their past self. Call it The Two Ranis.
Monty python....The Bishop!
To be fair to Star Trek, it is very obvious that the Borg is a clear reference to the Cybermen. The clue is in the title of the episode where the Borg made their debut.
*Q Who* > *Doctor Who*
The Crossover comic book is excellent.
I’m sure big finish or a comic will explain that the perception filter is a component of the translation matrix.
I'm thinking the translation matrix is what makes them hear and speak the right languages but the perception filter changes the writing for them.
The brainy-specs the Doctor uses so often, are not only for show, but to have a clear look through all those perceptions going on - is the "always tidy dress" of the TARDIS crew also perception-filtered? Tegan wore her stuardess uniform for a very long time, without ever getting a speck on it. And the 5th Doctor had to get mortally sick, before his clothing got any stains. There also was that "dress up spray" River Song unsed to get even more presentable on their trip to Daryllium.
Would explain the clothing the 14th Doctor morphed into - it just felt right for him, so he filtered into it ... had to look for a new coat, because the virtual one burned with the coffee incident🤗
I would love it if RTD just cast Susan Twist in every episode just to mess with people and there is no connection at all 🤣
Hoshi Sato was comms officer and she wore Sciene Divison uniform.
Blueish is mostly medical personnel, but has shown up in others
15:08 The ganger Amy incident!!!
Both of the Tashas are wearing a gold/yellow color outfit as well
Actually?
Aliens finished with the alien being blown out of the airlock by Ripley: in the same way, in other words, as the *original* Alien
I saw the episode with the toymaker but missed out on the next one , so I this was my first full story with Ncuti Gawa and I was really apprehensive that the new doctor would be terrible. Aside from the odd accent ( is he trying to sound like Jodie Whittaker?) and his odd taste in knitwear, I did warm to him pretty quickly, phew I was afraid it’d be the eighties all over again and a succession of bad casting 😀. Ruby was (thankfully) pretty good too. The plot was nuts overall but I enjoyed the whole thing thoroughly and I’m looking forward to the rest of the series.
I’m glad I stick to this side of the Doctor Who fandom. Because there are videos on RUclips that complain about WhoDis and say that Doctor Who is dead/ruined
What if this whole 'season 1' rename is tied together, and we end up with a very meta ending where the Doctor realises he is in an in-universe fictional series, and recognises Susan Twist as the actress, rather than the character she's playing?
@whoculture The Bishop... father Octavian in s05e04 notes he is Bishop secon class.
Ahem Ellie the name “Tasha” could’ve referenced Tasha Lem the high priestess of the papal mane frame
One of the babies is named Eric, like Ncuti’s character in Sex Education
obviously the mavity schtick is still going on because the butterfly compensator switch was not on.... tsk tsk
TARDIS was burning up and recalibrating at this time, got the HATS working though, which gave her all the time in the world to put herself together again (just like the Ghost-monument) waiting somewhere peaceful, until a last moment rescue of the Doctor was necessary - again!
Could "the Bishop" he a reference to the Meddling Monk?
Could we be getting the Daleks in this season
How could I forget... don't get Chippy with Vera Duckworth!
Wouldn’t the tardis matrix be responsible for the perception filter?
The thing that bothered me about this episode was when the Doctor flew out and hit the airlock door. In that situation, the pull is from the air being sucked out into space, not mavity. He shouldn't have hit the door, but would have been pulled toward the opening by the air rushing out. Obviously, that would not have made for a good ending, nor would it have set up the dramatic save (which, again, was acted as though the Doctor was fighting mavity instead of rushing air), but it did ruin the tension of that scene for me.