The race is officially ON to field America's new stealth fighter
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With the recent revelation that the Air Force intends to choose a winning design for its new air superiority fighter, being developed within the Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) program, many have found themselves wondering just how far along this program may actually be. After all, it's already been nearly three years since Air Force officials disclosed the fact that an NGAD technology demonstrator had not only already flown, but had even broken records.
Now, however, it seems evident that a final design hasn't been chosen for this new crewed stealth fighter that's expected to offer such a significant leap in capability over existing top-tier 5th-generation jets like the F-22 and F-35 that it's already being described as a 6th generation fighter. And while the Air Force has been clear that there are more than two firms competing to field the winning design, it seems that at least two firms have an inside track.
Let's talk about what we know about the three leading aerospace firms, their 6th generation fighter proposals, and what the NGAD fighter may ultimately look like.
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Hey Alex. My uncle was a double ACE in the Korean War and he was and still is famous in the Fighter mafia. He wrote a book called "No Guts, No Glory" which is still used in some fighter squadrons, especially his original squadron still active today. He retired as a Major General and one of the very few rare funerals at Arlington Cemetary which the government allowed a missing man flyover during his funeral.
There were several things about him (Frederick "Boots" Blesse) that stood out for me. First, he never cursed. Second, he was the most happy and positive person I've ever known, and Third, he never drank--or he might have a sip of wine on a special occasion. He told me that he he didn't want anything to impair his ability to think and react in combat.
He could have been a world class golfer, but flying was his passion. He died at the age of 91 on his country club golf club playing with his friends while on the 4th hole.
Hundreds of friends and former pilots attended his memorial. And his wife invited them all to a free dinner and open bar at his Country Club afterwards. A number of Air Force and Navy pilots who had flown with him gave their stories about Boots during the dinner.
His story from graduating from West Point in 1945 to flying WW II aircraft practicing dog fighting, to flying his fires year of missions in the Korean War in P-51 Mustangs and F-80's to his second year in the Korean War to flying the F-86 and shooting down 10 enemy aircraft. At the time, he was the top ACE in Korea although others that followed him shot down many more than 10.
Boots won the air gunnery trophy's at Nellis AFB multiple times in the 1950's after the Korean War.
He flew F-4 missions into North Vietnam during the Vietnam War. And he told me that he flew with the Israelis Air Force as an observer in combat missions that were never officially recorded.
He was an amazing athlete, fighter pilot, leader, charismatic personality. He could sell you dog shit wrapped in a pink ribbon. He was just awesome in every way.
My dad was a B-52 pilot and bomber staff officer, I had another uncle who flew F-106 interceptors during the cold war, I had another uncle who was a Green Bret who was gravely wounded in Vietnam, my brother was a Marine infantry officer who was on his 3rd tour in Vietnam when he was gravely wounded and spent a year in the hospital.
I was only 5 miles from where my brother was wounded but I didn't learn about it until two weeks later from my parents by letter.
I somehow managed to return to the States without a scratch (wounded by my own artillery but I didn't think that deserved a Purple Heart since it seemed they were trying to kill me instead of the enemy).
I don't have much family left. Really just my brother and wife and my Green Beret uncle who is now in his late 80's. I have a half sister who is in her 80's and I'm 77. Looks like we are all on borrowed time now. I'm OK with that because I don't want to end up in diapers and being spoon fed.
One of my most important payers to God is that He allow me to live long enough to take care of my wife and dogs. After that, I would like enough time to rewrite my will, downsize, and then I'm ready to come home to heaven.
I've had one of the most satisfying and adventuresome life. I wish I could do it all over again even if I didn't know the outcome.
Thank you for your services to The United States of America, Sir.
Fair winds and Following Seas.
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Thanks from Korea 😊
Thank your dad for his service but the fighter mafia is actually some of the most brain dead people ever.... The fighter mafia fought for some of the right things like guns being integrally mounted in the f4 but they also thought that missiles were garbage technology then a couple years later the F4E variant came out with aim7e2 missiles and shit all over them..... Also their "leader" Pierre Spray went on to say he created the a-10 the f16 the f22 and the f35 lmao.... And almost a year ago HE WENT ON RUSSIAN TELEVISION TO SHIT ON AMERICAN PLANES LMAO... Fighter mafia is garbage and should have never existed.
Wonder if any of that was true, no way to know. No real name attached and the entire story had no point other than to stroke his family ego.
Every time you put a video of a new jet on here China watches copies the images in Digital 3D format and starts creating jets off of RUclips. It’s true they don’t need spy ballon’s they have RUclips.
They have a guy to copy all of the Data on RUclips and create Digital 3D imaging, then models for wind tunnels etc etc until they come up with a Jet Courtesy of American Technology from RUclips.
Since their Communist they have the manpower & resources to copy our ideas and go into production almost as soon as we do.
Amazing, thanks for the shout Alex! You're the go-to source for all military aviation. It's crisp, clean reporting in a murky field. There's no one who's close right now.
Do you have a youtube chanel?
Wow, it’s actually him
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 Yes, click on his username lmao
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 Noooooooooo, he doesn’t.
Amen
I cannot get enough of this AirPower series! Keep up the good work Alex.
oh the good ole hushpuppy still going on and on about the nuances of the great debacle
Should just rename the channel to that honestly
You see, Alex? Stuff like this is why you've been nominated for (and will hopefully win) that award nomination. Your content is SO good.
One thing to remember about Boeing, they also have multiple UCAV Loyal Wingman type designs (both officially known and assumed to exist if these programs exist and based on renders they've released), and it's entirely possible they might end up building and maintaining that fleet if they don't get one of the two 6th gen fighter contracts currently on the table. That's a lot of contracts go go around and it's almost assumed that Boeing will get at least one of them since their designs have thus far been pretty solid, even if they were just X planes mostly, like the X-32 prototype that competed with the X-35 that became the F-35, and the X-41 stealth drone concept that could take off and land from a carrier. Boeing will be fine lol
Trouble is, Their X-Drone has been hacked, and landed on Iranian soil in 2011. X-41 it was i think. Yes, they'll do the MQ-26 MQ-25, etc. But how will they keep up with a heavy fighter, whose mission is to get in fast, release a truckload of Air to Air or Air to Ground missiles, and get out again? Let the Drones Dogfight? can't wait to see that tested.
Keep in mind, the way government contracts work a lot of the tech from the x32 wound up in the F-35.
Boeing has a horrible recent history with program delays, costs etc. A new plane could sink the company if they bid it wrong.
@@Gunni1972 that was the Lockheed Martin RQ-170.
Northrop has already built and carrier landed muiptile UCAVs
This is so exciting. I’ve been following fighter development since I was a kid in the 80s, mesmerized by the teen series.
After the ATF competition, things felt so stale because development seemed to slow to a snail’s pace through the 90s and early 2000s.
I was REALLY surprised when the govt let slip they designed, built, and flew a next-gen prototype a few years ago. I really hope that’s true and I hope we get to see it some day.
And I really hope this isn’t an SDI-style bluff where some of the tech sees the light of day but the overall program doesn’t.
Look, it WILL be the absolute "Signal to noise ratio" fighter plane. Emit no signal, but there will be so much noise about it, It will NEVER live up to the Hype. And even if it does Mach 3, there is no drone that could keep up with that yet. Not unless the "A.I.-wingman" drone costs about as much (or more) than an F-35 today. We can't even upload all the battlefield Map data in an "emergency case". Much less to train an AI to do maneuvers according to the changing conditions.Or entire Missions. If the NGAD will be a "Boom and Zoom" fighter, (bad at rolling and turning) You got a Hypersonic Missile nightmare ahead, once the enemy masters Electro-optical zooms, or UV/IR or Magnetoscopic detection (Satellite based detection still is a thing). Once weather satellites get a 10 m resolution, no matter what airplane you fly at whatever altitude. it will be detected. Just by changing temperature and humidity of the Air.
Just WOW the amount of research, and the insight is off the charts
It may also be that two of competitors have agreed to pool their resources and work together. Like Northup and Boeing.
Went to the 2023 Fun & Sun Airshow at Lakeland, Fl. this year! Saw and felt the USAF F35A and USMC F35B in a performance to remember for the rest of my life! Impressive is an understatement!
I think it has been pretty well established that the mistery aircraft at Area 51 was the full size model of the fictional hypersonic prototype aircraft from Top Gun: Maverick, which was made by the Lockheed Skunk Works.
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We were project YF-23 at Edwards Air Force Base. I still believe to this day, the government messed up when choosing the YF-22.
What people don't realize, is when a company loses the contract, a whole lot of people lose their job.
If you're lucky enough, you'll just move to another project.
I am with you about why they scrapped
another excellent, informative and visually stunning piece, Alex. thanks to Rodrigo for amazing 3D renderings!
Based on my experience with advanced,but yet to be publicized, high performance aircraft from the past, you can pretty much expect any artists renderings at this stage of the game to be purposely misleading. As we get closer to the roll out date, the enemy's intelligence services will have gotten a look at the plane, and the artist renderings will become more accurate.
"the enemy's intelligence services will have gotten a look at the plane"
who? how?
@@SoloRenegade Literally tens of thousands of people MUST be able to know what it looks like in order for it to actually be manufactured. At that point, no matter your security measures, you can only keep things like the basic appearance secret for so long.
@@jordanledoux197 "Literally tens of thousands of people MUST be able to know what it looks like in order for it to actually be manufactured. "
not even remotely true.
most people are making parts and have no clue what it's ultimately being used on. Or they see a part, that tells them nothing about the final form.
The core team of engineers and managers knows what it looks like in its entirety, but that team is likely 100 people or less.
I've designed things for NASA that went into outer space and only a seven person team was involved in tis development. Vendors made parts, but only pieces of the puzzle. At the end of the day, there were only 3 people on the team who knew what the entire system looked like in its entirety and had actually worked on all parts of it physically (myself being one of them). We assembled all the constituent parts and pieces personally in our offices and labs, did testing, etc.
And where I work, we also do work and design things for gov agencies, and the levels of secrecy and information control, lab access, etc. is pretty strict. And we aren't even working on tech like the NGAD fighter. The gov enforces all sorts of restrictions on the people who get to work on stuff, who has access to information. I've worked on projects where as a lead design engineer for the project, I was intentionally kept in the dark on certain aspects of the product, as I didn't need to know and only the very top managers were approved access to that information, and they basically oversaw the design to make sure the critical design goals were met by what we designed. Those who have access are restricted on when and where they are allowed to travel, who they can talk to, etc. And we deal with stuff like this for things far less secret than NGAD, the B-21, etc.
Also, even just using my own knowledge and experiences, I can, and Have, easily deceived people about details of what I was working on. I give them rough/early concept models, or incorrect details, etc. to through them off and keep them guessing. or when discussing things, I'll mix up two ideas to explain something while ensuring they can never piece the details together correctly. they know too little, and they don't know which details I changed, and have no way of figuring it out. It's very easy to be intentionally vague. Things change alot over the course of a design, and even a functional prototype can look very different from the final product. and so you can easily share older work that has fatal flaws, is incomplete, is missing all of the finer details that come later in design, etc. It just depends upon what you are sharing, with whom, and for what reason. Very easy to wage a disinformation campaign on something you control the design and details of. You can give people false teasing details and let their imaginations run with it in the completely wrong direction.
But yes, eventually people will find out what it looks like, just like the F-117A, B-21, and others. But if they managed the project properly, that will only occurred when they want to reveal the exterior design (B-21, B-2, F-117A, NGAD, AH-66, stealth blackhawk helicopter, etc.)
@Jordan LeDoux LOL, so confidently incorrect. You realize F117s were built and flying (production versions, they already built and flew Have Blue before that) for two years before anyone even knew they existed right? Hell even military fighter pilots like Ward Carroll who were flying sorties nearby didn't even realize they were part of the cover story! And in the modern era the B-21 was a massive production program and we STILL didn't even get a glimpse of it until it was intentionally unveiled.
@@slickfast Before the public knew. I'm not saying that the Russian or Chinese intelligence agencies are incredibly good, but pretty sure they know stuff like this before we do fairly often. That is, after all, their job.
Great knowledge and unparalleled passion.
Well done AH!
My guess is that Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grumman will get the NGAD contract, with Boeing getting substantial Loyal Wingman work (Boeing Australia has been working on the MQ-28 Ghost Bat for quite awhile), while Boeing will get the Navy FA-XX contract with Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman getting portions of that work, like avionics based on evolution of the F-35's avionic, etc.
I would have guessed the same thing but Northup just took themselves out of the running. So that leaves Boeing and Lockheed. I'm guessing Lockheed will get the NGAD and Boeing F
the idea of an air dominance platform that can't maneuver like a fighter but carries enough raw firepower to make up for it kinda reminds me of the B-17 Flying Fortress
like obviously the B-17 wasn't an air superiority platform
but the idea of "I don't need to outmaneuver you, you're gonna run anyway because of the sheer amount of firepower I'm packing" is there.
One thing that’s going to be crucial to the NGF program is scalability. How quickly can our manufacturers build the plane and how much does each one cost? If China is our main adversary building not just hundreds but thousands of these fighters quickly would be needed in a conflict.
There's a fundamental problem of keeping manufacturing facilities (and their feeder companies) from being damaged/destroyed if major conflict erupted. I hope there's deep underground "build bunkers" or lots of Patriot-style protective systems in place, otherwise whatever stock you have at the start of the war will be what you've got for the duration.
8:00 i love how sandbox refuses to acknowledge the efforts of Australia
Their American supremacists
I mean, what has Australia really done for the world?
Besides black boxes, spray-on skin, pacemakers, Google Maps, penicillin treatment methods, plastic money, hearing aids, cordless drills, WiFi, ultrasound, plastic glasses, and airliner emergency slides?
It's great that you mentioned the potential to equip a solid state laser. There's another video on youtube that was *just* released and it doesn't mention the laser system at all.
An excellent presentation, Alex. You're the best !
Great video. Loved the YF-23 as well, as it was the main aircraft in Jetfighter II that I used to play for years
I would actually prefer that there be more than one design being used. In part because I want there to be more of these companies not less. Maybe a sharing building contract or the Air Force reviving the concept of small and large fighters as well as having the hive mind big ass airframe Plus many drones. I like the idea of pairing a wigman with these fighters that is autonomous as well as having a large platform able to carry a couple of operators and the pilots that control multiple autonomous drones. For example the light fighters could be one's design with the idea of use in non-ideal circumstances with regards to runway and maintenance out in the field. The heavy fighter being a true F-22 successor, all of these concepts working together when available. Eliminate the need for a true AWACS and eliminate the lag associated with drones currently, as well as have some more localized control due to fog of war issues. Regardless the fast pace idea of design and iteration is one that at least gives us the opportunity of keeping some form of competition within this industry
The “light fighter” you describe will be the drone CCAs, which are a different contract than the PCA component of the NGAD, and will likely be made by a different contractor.
F-35 and NGAD are the combination going forward, with drone wingmen as an extended tool for both. Too many different airframes and you create more supply chains needing more parts and trained staff that could otherwise be used in improving logistics on existing airframes
Excellent video, very informative and well researched/summarised. Thanks for outling the state of play!
I've taken a look at the "mystery plane" that looked like it was under the apparent tarp on the tarmac at the Groom Lake airbase and I noticed something very interesting about it:
Its "shadow" was cast toward the south, the opposite direction of any other shadow in the Northern Hemisphere (the Sun is in the southern sky and thus shadows are cast toward the north).
I love the concept of a "airborne no-fly zone generator" in a large multi-engine aircraft with a direct energy weapon.
I thought that thing (The one from the satellite photo, yes?) looked like an F-16XL
@@totalnerd5674 You know, I'm looking back at my comment and I forgot to post my conclusion: the "mystery plane" was nothing other than an image painted on the tarp. The people who put the tarp on goofed and had the shadow drawn on the tarp facing toward the Sun instead of away from it.
@@thudthud5423 Ah
I thought the same thing, about the image being on the tent tarp... But then I concluded that if they wanted to misdirect like that, they could just use a flat tarp without the obvious tent pole bulges.
So my thought was the "shadow" is just image ghosting due to the speed the satellite is traveling. It's in the correct direction, after all.
Granted, even that seems a bit 'off', given the age of technology we're in and the fact it's a static object (whereas that phenomena does still occur with in flight aircraft that get photographed)... So I'm not entirely convinced that's the purpose, either. 🤷♂️
It's curious, though, that much I can agree on!
@@thudthud5423 A fascinating theory but I like to think that a counter-intelligence op of such high consequence wouldn't have made such a rookie mistake.
I really wish we could have seen the YF23 in action. BTW Alex, I always love the videos. You are so thorough and the videos are great to watch. Keep up the amazing work.
The YF-23 was said to be so fast with greater altitude than the (then) YF-22 that even today, it's still classified. It was a true stealth fighter that exceeded the NG team's expectations that everyone who witnessed the tests were so sure it would've won the contract.
Win or lose, you're our journalist of the year. Great report, Alex!
"Northrop-Grumman YF-23"?? I would have sworn that it was a joint development by Northrop and McDonnell Douglas (spoken as a former McDonnell Douglas person).
While working on the Lift Fan system for what would become the F35B, I always thought that Boeing's X32 looked like a pregnant moth. Their ducted thrust lift system (i.e. Harrier type) was also a limiting factor. Plus, their entry never flew with actual retractable gear. It was too heavy.
Couple of caveats there, one there was a limit on how much money Boeing and Lockheed were allowed to spend on their prototypes for the joint strike fighter. Lockheed, of course, threw that out the window, and spent $200 million developing the engine prior to the beginning of the program, because they got the heads up from their moles, in Congress in advance. So already lucky was cheating :-) to the reason why Boeing‘s prototype was heavy, was because lock it again leaned on their malls in Congress to get the specifications for the program changed which forced Boeing to have to go back to the drawing board. At the same time Lockheed got the DOD to push up the test date which then forced Boeing to field their prototype before it was ready.
It basically came down to this, the F 22 already existed so Boeing designed a much cheaper mass produced stealth missile bus that did the job that the joint strike fighter was supposed to perform. Lockheed on the other hand build a slightly different version of the F22 that could go really fast and perform fancy aerial maneuvers and impress the fighter mafia who swooned over it, and immediately threw truckloads of money at them to get it in production….. but then they had to wait 15 years longer than they thought in order to get it into production, because Lockheed‘s model was so riddled full of bugs and problems and issues, and technical glitches and rebuilds and re-designs and software problems that the cost overruns could’ve funded several small nations by the time they finally got it to fly.
@@Matt-yg8ub let me ask you, we're you there? I was actually working on the Lift Fan system in 1989 and 1990 under a strict veil of secrecy. You can say that the deck was stacked against Boeing, but that simply isn't true. General Electric was wedded to gas coupled designs back then and we, Allison, we're competing and beating them with gear driven designs (Model 578-DX PropFan Demonstrator and the Lift Fan). Boeing wedded themselves to GE. Their concept never stood a chance.
If you understood area ruling, you would know why.
As for the length of time to complete the F35, you seem to forget, or never knew, that the requirements kept changing. It's tough to score when the goal post keeps moving.
@@ronaldschoolcraft8654 Exactly, it was very difficult for Boeing to score when Lockheed kept getting the DOD to move the goal posts :-). Bro I worked for Boeing, I’m intimately familiar with how this process went down…Including the fact of the current F-35 has had the engine changed out three separate times since you worked on the design in 89:-).
Also, the current F-35 has 20 years of improvements compared to the X35 demonstrator…. The X32 Would have been no different. It’s grossly disingenuous to pretend that it would not have undergone multiple iterations and revisions to arrive at the final production model.
@@Matt-yg8ub I never said there were no developmental changes between the X35 and the F35B. That's something you came up with and tried to claim that I said.
The fact is, the X35 performed a mission including short take-off, full transition to wing-borne flight, aux doors closed, gear up, climb to altitude, rendezvous with a tanker, take on fuel, decouple, accelerate to supersonic speed, return to base, transition to vertical flight, and execute a vertical landing. That was Mission X in 2001. I have a video of it.
That mission sealed the deal for Lockheed. The X32 never came close to doing any of that.
Now what other excuses can you come up with?
Tale as old as time, Lockheed knows in advance what the specifications for a project are going to be before the project begins, dumps a couple hundred million dollars into the project before it officially begins so that they can avoid the budget caps on the prototypes, and then would you believe it …has a prototype ready sooner than the other guy so started when they were supposed to, and instead of performing to the spec for the project, flies a bunch of loops and does a bunch of shit that impressive the fighter mafia and gets the contract, regardless of whether any of that shit was actually part of what it was supposed to be doing in the first place. :-)
The XA100 looks like the best engine, and it's what they should have used in the F-35 new engine contract.
cost overruns are often a result of the customer adding more and more scope to the program without adding dollars or schedule to match. And they put inspection and test requirements in place that drive costs out of sight.
The idea of drones flying along with the fighter makes me think of the vertical scroll game that you fly and get upgrades after destroying targets and flying into the floating shield and gun upgrades 😅 whatever one of those games are called
Arguably the CCA program is more interesting, historic and consequential than the NGAD jet itself. And the best part is that it's not secret.
TBF
The F35 only had cost overruns cause the military wanted the aircraft to be good at everything, be a good landbased fighter and a good naval fighter.
Because of that the requirements went through the roof causing the development time and costs to rise with it.
also they were developing new technology for it rather than using existing. NOW, it produced an insane aircraft but trying to do too much all at once is what made it cost so damn much.
I could see Boeing getting the contract for the pilotless drones that will fly with stealth fighters in the future. Aren't they making the refueling drones for the Navy? Boeing will have plenty of work making drones if they get the contract. When they give the glimpse of an aircraft in their adds I cannot help to think they are looking for a bump in their stock to boost the bonuses for their executives. This is something the SEC should look at for a pattern.
Excellent....seriously. I've sent your stuff to everyone I know. And thanks for breaking it down enough for the non-engineer to understand something like a turbofan combined cycle rotating detonation engine. And your missile run downs are as amazing as the kinetic vehicle systems themselves.
Alex, what have you heard about Russia jamming jdams in Ukraine?
They can be jammed to an extent, they still guide with INS and become a bit less accurate. GPS jammers have very limited range, by that time INS will do the job, jamming them the whole flight would have a significant impact which is kinda not possible due the low frequency of gps signals blending with background noise. I'm sure Alex has heard of it, not that relevant I guess.
@@kermittoad I mentioned this as I had seen it reported elsewhere, but thought Alex would be a better source of information and detail. What i read is basically what you state, but it also goes to targeting. Ukraine may be using them on point targets rather than area targets which contributes to a bigger miss rate.
So excite that the tailess stealth UCAV EDI are about to become reallife
Northrop Gruman air dominance
If they win that is.
I just really love this channel it is my favorite channel full of the latest news and Alex really knows his stuff, which is why i subscribe.
Watched Hasard for a long time and the book is sitting in my cart. Can’t wait to read it!
During WWII, three aircraft manufacturers built Boeing's B-29s. That's the sort of production volume we need today.
I’m curious if a power plant could be powerful enough to run a directed energy weapon in a fighter. Space is often limited and weigh is a concern.
Technology is moving so fast that as with the F-22, the production run will be more limited than most of us think it should be.
This channel and Ward Carrol are so informative. It is clear both of you have knowledge that is factual and not just conjecture or opinion. Clearly both of you use your military experience to educate and inform the public on matters that concern (and very well should) every American. I look forward to your drops from all of your choices as I know I will complete the video a more educated and appreciative American. Thank you for continuing to serve the USA!
One thing we know for sure is that the maker of the Air Force and Navy 6th gen fighters will be two different companies.
I think that at 17:17 the mystery airplane you are referring to in the front left is seen flying by in the back above the B2.
Outstanding work. 😊
Thanks Alex! My favorite RUclips channel
If history teaches us anything, the Airforce will only actually buy 100 units at 50 bajillion dollars each.
Let's see how the B-21 goes, it's actually on time and on budget, I think they got shit figured out finally.
Well i will actually dispute that
The F-35 required new ways to produce them, to keep the plane within its requirement
When next planes comes out they might be more familiar and efficent what they can do to reduce the costs
Today Nobody question the cost of virtual computers, but when it was revolutionary it probobly was a insane cost
Also more of the part will probobly be 3D printed
Also in the future with new scanning tech might help to efficently reveal failure in production or something wrong with an aircraft during maintainence
If you fear of falling on ur face keep you from walking, then you probobly wont ever run
As much as I love LM’s babies, I would like to see NG take the helm for NGAD. LM will likely still be heavily involved with unmanned partners for those NGAD fighters, since they have better chops in mass production.
Boeing would be my second pick, if for no other reason than to resuscitate and boost their advanced technologies departments. We need more than just LM with a large production base for advanced fighter planes.
Hopefully, at least Boeing or NG get either NGAD and FA-XX.
I think LM’s production is stretched enough fielding F-35s for the next decade.
I think that Boeing has a leg up when it comes to drone tech with their new stingray tanker drone and ghost bat loyal wingman. So I wouldn't be surprised if the drone contract goes to them with their expertise and the navy and airforce contracts go to NG and Lockheed. They are going to make alot of drones and Boeing has the capacity and the open production lines.
I think Boeing will get the drone tech while NG might end up with either the Navy or Air Force 6th gen while LM takes the other 6th gen fighter. Don't trust boeing with the 6th gen.
@@ameritoast5174 Yes that sounds right when you put it that way.
You guys are doing an amazing job putting these videos together. Everything from the content, presentation, video footage, and editing is excellent. Keep up the good work, you deserve that journalism award!
Meanwhile the US flagship Star Destroyer rolling into Oslo yesterday like NBD (USS Gerald Ford) ruclips.net/video/SxNWiZigJZs/видео.html
Or two of the companies teamed up.
This shit is my superbowl.
Could you get into the paint or covering or whatever it is that does not heat up applied to the NGAD aircraft that allows the aircraft to safely fly more than Mach 5?
Let's see: Lockheed. Haven't seen the video yet so I thought I'd just take a stab at it because "Lockheed delivers", according to the flag grade AF officers that found themselves nice cushy board exec jobs at Lockheed after selecting and endorsing Lockheed on the F-22 and F-35 contracts. Boeing gets tankers, Lockheed gets fighters, Northrop gets bombers. Over and over again. Any "competition" between them is purely a show.
F-22 program was long because of end of the cold war.
BS. Companies that have the capability do deliver get contracts and the "Horrible" defense constractors are why we are decades beyond our enemies.
@@jackwalker9492 We'll see. I'll wager it's Lockheed though, they seem to get the advanced fighter projects.
Thankyou Alex , the best ( update ) we've seen , so far. We'll Done pilot !
I feel like the drone they are using off aircraft carriers is the test bed for the next gen plane. Northrop Grumman X-47B is the one I think is the demonstrator. Just needs to be sized up.
I think those Boeing's at 20:21 and 22:46 look totally sick. I would like to see that developed into something real.
It is my humble opinion that the NGAD (given the open photos of the platform that came off the radar testing stand, and some depictions on the internet) is the YF-23 revisited. Intakes moved to the top, and the wing morphed all the way to the nose with that cranked arrow design extended. Just a thought.
I would be very interested if you could do a vid on directed energy weapons for 6 gen and F-35 block 4 aircraft.
Great overview! Thank you for your work!
A B-21 variant armed with lasers and dozens of AAMs would be awesome. Per-unit costs would be affordable and it would have the range to operate in Pacific skies. It would have the persistence to loiter stealthily far longer than traditional fighter-sized platforms and reduce the need for vulnerable aerial tankers.
Knowing the US Congress I still suspect the NGAD manned fighter numbers will be higher than most people expect. Especially if contractors across the US are making parts for the fighter.
I've been waiting for someone to put out a video like this. Ty
The YF-16 and YF-17 were supposed to be only technology demonstrators, however shortly before the competition, the US air force changed that and wanted to see the capabilities of a lightweight fighter jet. The F16 was basically already there, yet the F18(YF-17) could not be redone to alter what it was supposed to be. So in short, you bring your A game to any "technology demonstrator" competition ready to do anything and everything it may need to do in the future.
I'm kinda confused on this giveaway. What if we just want Alex to slide into our DM's in general?
Don't forget Tacit Blue, which proved the concepts used in both the B-2A and TSSAM. Northrop-Grumman has quite a stealth heritage. Too, I have heard that Northrop's stealth efforts started when they found tracking Snarks by radar was quite difficult.
@10:06 The most advanced plane there is the E-2 baby! Yall dont know what yall dont know. Shhhh🤫
Looking at the Fiascos that are the Boeing Starliner and the 737MAX, I don't think it would be unreasonable to discount them from this race despite the sunset of the F18...
The aussie loyal wingman in 8:00 looks badass
My biological father worked on the YF-118G.
The reason the YF-118G was released, was due to the technology being known and used by a lot of companies.
Dang I think I may check this book out There’s bound to be some amazing information in it.
I know that this is something that SOUNDS like it doesn't work well, but because these aircraft are going to last many decades because of how big of a jump there is from 4th gen to 6th gen, I think it may work better to use 2 different companies to put together the plane, because while one design might have strengths in certain areas and weaknesses in others, we need a 6th gen plane that is basically ALL strengths.
For instance there is the new material now that show allow 6th gen planes to be supersonic while maintaining its stealth capability and NOT have to be totally reskinned after it goes supersonic. If this is proprietary to one company and the others can't use it, well, that doesn't do the US any good if another plane has other features that make it the better choice.
In other words, THIS gen and THIS next fighter has to be top notch in every regard because the US can't afford to have a 6th gen fighter be anything else.
Complacency is the worst enemy. Nothing gives away the complacency of the Americans than them showing off their concepts and designs, thinking no one is even close. Bravo. Best self destructive behavior ever
Wow. Excellent presentation and analysis.
Your buddy came with his Squadron handle already. As far as no vertical stabilizer on 6th gen, the thrust vectoring will have to be 360 degree, not just up/down as on the F-22.
Propulsion is always the key to any successful combat aircraft. All failed aircraft have in common having been underpowered and lacking range.
So, when assessing development progress of NGAD only requires looking at P&W's and GE's progress, not at the airframe manufacturers.
The stealth movie is quickly moving from sci-fi to a documentary.
13:18 woh that looks like an F 36 Kingsnake
To spread out the maximum amount of work among primes and secure the industrial base My guess is that LM and Boeing will split NGAD for the Air Force and F/A-XX for the Navy, with LM going Air Force and Boeing going Navy (given the history of the F-22/35 and F-18) while Northrop Grumman builds the B-21. Just my guess that is though.
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Beyond a number
21:43 Should've been Fighter Advanced Research Testbed.
Sandbox for me is a legit channel that updates latest US military technology
Looking real close in concept and visually to that plane in "STEALTH"
ya just gotta love this channel, thank ya much Alex, for all you do for us fans . . . can ya give us an update on the award your in the running for? 🤞for ya. come on folks, 5k likes, we need to do better ..
Can any country or countries catch up to the USA in stealth Tech? Seem like USA has 3-4 large arm company that can build 6th gen stealth fighter..
Alex! Could you please do a video on the Stealth version of the FA-18 Super Hornet that almost was. And what a Stealth Fighter it could have been!
whenever talking about prototype vs production, show pictures comparing the X-35 and F-35, and the YF-22 and F-22, side by side. they are very different airplanes.
It's cool that we can talk about this, but does any have any idea of what the designs look like? Did we ever know about the battle between the X-22 and X-23 while it was happening, or were the details released after the choice was made?
Genuinely, love the plug for Hasard's book. I find myself part of some very odd communities (military aviation, strongman, sports cars, nuclear science, swords, etc) based not on the content, but the community. I am essentially a professional in Googling things (long story, many $, mostly not mine, sadly) so end up in random internet places. From that, I find I stick around in places where the community is good, so I love seeing stuff like this.
I feel like that comment potentially looks like I'm trying to make some claim about the important of my opinion. In case that seems true, what I'm really saying is purely that I have experience perusing an unusually varied number of places of the internet. My only claim about myself is that I've seen a lot of pointless, dumb crap, more than I've done myself, which is a lot. Within that, I've learned it's hard to stand out as a true beacon of positivity on the internet, but Sandboxx and Alex manage it in a way that not many do. I don't know how many internet communities I haven't interacted with, but it seems extremely and consistently rare to find creators like Alex/Sandboxx.
Edit: I do like "broken records" though. There's a record for most baked beans eaten with a cocktail stick in 1 minute, I feel like records should be predefined. For aeronautics, perhaps the basic performance records plus shortest radar targeting range with a predefined radar system and different between incoming and outgoing target locks based on predefined opposing radar and target parameters.
Other Edit: Bias towards my favourite plane, and being a Brit, might exist here...but does the de Havilland Mosquito not count as the 1st low RCS plane? Not the 1st designed for that purpose, it had no such intention, but observation of its low RCS certainly contributed to that research.
Thanks!
I think the cost overruns and delays with the B2 are the reason the YF23 lost. I absolutely love the F22 but i do think the YF23 was the best overall option
I am going to give an educated guess that the 2 finalists are Lockheed and Northrop Grumman. I feel that in the end they may both have new fighters and/or drones in production soon. Another thing is that even if these 2 have the fighters and drones locked up Boeing is very good at air to air refuelling and as such might be a good choice to build low observable unmanned tankers. And, they are experienced in the demands of carrier based aviation. Add in AI and I could see unmanned tankers loitering just back a ways from a attack group to give our aircraft the fuel to get home with the enemy not knowing they were there. It could increase the range of our stealth aircraft a quite a bit having the gas stations launch with them. Just my thoughts. By the way, I already have the new book and am about half way thru. Excellent material. Thank you and be safe.
Excellent video! Thanks for ur hard work on these. 👍
Go Alex 👍👍
Many thanx.
2:30 there appears to be a pair of mig-21's flying formation with F-16's (presumably belonging to or working with Top Aces based on the previous footage here). Reminded me of an experience I had a few weeks ago, I live in southern appalachia and saw a Mig-21 with blue camo fly over my house, low, through a commonly used MOA. I've been going bonkers trying to figure out why there would be a Mig flying over my house that is nowhere near a typical aggressor home base. I welcome y'alls thoughts.
Question! Wasn't Lockheed-Martin the same name as I just mentioned, the same since the '60's? And Northrop- Grumman, since .the '70's? I know the Tomcat was Grumman, but I'm pretty sure the Lockheed-Martin name has been around quite a while.