What order to put your pedals in.
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- I show what pedals go before and after effects loops and why.
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An even more simpler way of explaining this is: if the pedal is tone-based (it helps create the tone you want) then put it in front of the amp, if the pedal is time-based (the effect is created by modulating the time of the signal so delays, reverbs, trem, chorus, etc.) then put it in the effects loop. This is the best starting point to get you going then you can start experimenting with the order from there.
Modulation effects (Chorus, Flange, Vibe, Phaser, etc.) are not time-based effects, they change the pitch of the signal.
@@ryanbarker3978 But create the actual effect by delaying the other signal from few ms (flanger) to much more (delay) and phaser eliminates certain frequenzies and rotates the frequency over time so time effect ;) Neither really shift pitch except maybe the chorus for an almost inaudible amount
And for just that logic many old phasers sound best BEFORE distortion eg mxr phase 90 so you are half right :D
I run everything in front of the amp, old school. After all, that's how Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Robin Trower, Jeff Beck and everyone else created their iconic tones.
I already understood the logic behind this setup process, but it's nice to see and hear someone think you through the process in a clear and calm matter. Removes the mind clutter. :)
Now I'm more confused than before I started :(
I've been playing for many years. I've just spent a lot of time watching your videos... I've LEARNED A LOT!! Thanks so much for your time and expertise!!!
It's funny how every guitarist does it differently, and that's what makes it awesome. Like, there's no way I'd put a tremolo pedal before the amp, distortions or overdrives, but here you are doing it. We all have things that work best for us.
I'm still learning. So I was already wondering why anyone would need an effects loop in the back when you can just put a chain of pedals between the amp and guitar. It's all finally starting to make sense to me now. Makes me less hesitant to start making purchases. Especially because I'm running two amps in stereo making things even more complicated for me as a beginner. But it's so much fun! Thanks Phillip!
Phil,thanks for the info. I needed to know why certain pedals go before or after one or the other. You made it clear and easy to understand. I'm going to rearrange my pedalboard now thanks again. Happy New Year to you and your family.
I tried this analogy with items from my fridge and yours is far better, thank you.
This may well be the best video ever for newbies concerning petals. Thank you Phil!
I know this is a few years old but it is a wealth of information. I was digging through the interwebs and stumbled across this and was amazed at how simple the explanation was. Great stuff Phil.
Excellent! I knew a lot of this already, but there was some new information that I will try! I'm a 40 year old man that recently started building his first pedalboard. So, thanks!
Best example I have ever heard. I have a better understanding now. Thank you.......
that last bit - very important to me and why I never saw the point of an fx loop. Now I understand.
Seen several pedal-order vids, most sponsored with guys with fancy haircuts, but this is the stuff I needed. Great breakdown, good vid
This was cool. It kind of highlights the limitation of a multi-effects pedal -- you can't move things around in and out of the effects loop like this. Although if you are as clueless as I am regarding this stuff, maybe that is a good thing!
Phil, Finally I understand the petal order(s), Thank You for explaining. I got a Nux looper core and was confused where it should be in the petal chain.
I have no fx loop. Its endless experimenting order. So far I'm happy with my chain from guitar to amp : guitar,chorus,wah,comp,booster,phaser,another wah, 4 over drive pedals,distortion,2 more od,another distortion,volume,flange,3 delay pedals ,tremolo,into amp.
Thank you! Clear and straight to the point!
Awesome video!! I always like your videos due to the no nonsense approach you have. 👍👍
this helped a lot for me, who doesn't have a lot of expertise with effects and such. great video
My problem is... most of my amps dont have an effects loop. ( early 70's ) So, many pedals just dont play well with my amps. One of the reasons guys in the early 70's used a completely separate preamp section, instead of the amps preamp section. Great vid.
Thanks! This video answered my questions
Actually I found on my board and it has quite a few MXR pedals..
The delay sounds amazing before distortion..
for me it sounds great
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Niki
I used to have a Zoom 505 that did everything for me. Here's how i set mine up: F6 was an acoustic effect, A1 was lead guitar with wah (I had the Zoom FP01 expression pedal plugged into it for volume, whammy, harmonizer and wah), A2 was metal distortion with whammy (as in pressing the FP01 down would drop the note, like pressing down on the whammy bar, to a maximum of 2 octaves), A3 was lead guitar with harmonizer up to 2 octaves on the FP01 and A4 was lead with chorus and delay and volume on the FP01. The other patches and settings were pretty much standard as they were out of the box. I always had my amp clean when the Zoom 505 was plugged in because pressing both pedals bypassed the zoom effects straight into the amp when I wanted a clean tone. The acoustic effect at F6 wasn't very convincing to me tbh. Still sounded like a clean electric but it was a warmer sound than straight into the clean amp so it was still a useful effect. There was a tuner on the bypass function as well which was handy. I got great use out of the unit.
Great explanation. The rule I have usually followed is to use time based effects in the loop and gain effects into the amp.
Kind of surprised you didn't mention set up for high gain vs low gain amps. Also amps with no fx loop and how to set those up the best. So many new guitarists can only get a 15-30watt basic amp with no fx loop and just a few pedals. The TONE KING has a great video on that using mini amps to show the order if anyone is confused about it. Plus how to set up your pedals for high and low gain amps as it's slightly different. Enjoyed the video
Very good video...just an idea..neither here nor there..I wonder if we use heavy duty velcro to swap out pedals easily..on board & bottoms of pedals ..Just throwing that out there..unless of course you use the same pedals all the time..then just zip tie 'em....
Thank you so much for the info on the Holyboard by Chemistry boards.Until now,I only knew what I didnt want in a pedal-board.Regards,Mark.(Australia).
Hands down best gear channel in youtube!
One if my amps has no loop but my blooper has a volume. I use my chorus before the input to get a nostalgice sound that takes me back to being a kid and hearing my dad who used a ce 2 into a marshall
my looper is after my dirt, pitch shifter, modulation and Tera Echo then my two delay pedals and reverb and wow it's fantastic.
Can you please make a video like this but with all the weirder pedals like bitcrusher, octave, harmonizer, random noise or tone generators, etc? Everyone leaves those out and nobody explains what type of pedal they really are or how they will change your sound before or after the preamp. Thank you!
where did you find that pedal board? or did you make it yourself?
Really good and very useful explanation - thanks a bunch Phillip
I use the compressor/sustain AFTER my distortions and before DELAY, I tried to use it just like you say, but it wouldn't level-out my clean and distortion output, works great for me
amazingly good information! do i still need to take guitar lessons too? or do they make a guitar that just makes all of these sounds with one strumming of the strings? lol. this cleared up alot of questions i had
WOW!!!! Lots of possibilities, to consider! Is there some sort of book, or such, to consult?! Excellent info!!! Thanks!!!
I still don’t understand what an effects loop is. Is it a physical thing , only able to use with certain amps or just wHat that area is called ?
Thank you so much!!! That is exactly what I was looking for!!! I understand this so much better now!!! You do a great job of explaining these things and the visual also made a huge difference. I appreciate your time on this!!! I have watched a lot of videos this week on the Fx Loop and is the only one where it finally clicked for me!
your supermoon and ditto would sound amazing in your JVM loop. glad you liked the video. thank you for the idea. I watched your video and the one you mentioned about fx loops and thought how could it be explained diferantly.
+Phillip McKnight...I'm moving everything around right now! ....so what kind of pedal board is that? I'm debating on whether or not to get a pedal board. I don't need my pedals to be mobile because they aren't leaving my home studio. I don't want to get a pedal board and then just grow out of it. The board you have there seems like you could do a lot with it. I guess I could always do a front-end board and a back-end board to at least organize things a bit. Right now it is just growing on the floor in front of my amps.
Michael Stander I am posting a little video about that pedal board it will be up in few minutes. Holeyboard is the pedal board. Love them Pedal Train is also just as good. But you will see why I like mine in that video.
+Phillip McKnight I have a home made version of the Holeyboard I built. I only put the holes where I needed them and call it the "Unholeyboard".
I really wish at least one of these videos on fxloops mentioned something about modeling amps or amps with onboard effects and how you can put a looper in the fxloop and play using different onboard effects over whatever you have looped.
Nice video, very useful thanks. One question I have is which pedals can go through the Preamp and which ones through the send/return loop?
Great stuff..... only thing, as you point out, there are many different approaches. Especially I guess if you playing mainly on the clean channel and use pedals for the rest. So far I always played clean and with everything before the amp. I have to try yet the fx loop.... Also, I have beel playing around with pedals placement a bit and I find the chorus before distortion more pleasing to my ear. I also tried the compressor after distortion, where, instead of sending a compressed signal to then get distorted, I can boost volume and add sustain after, and so keeping the tone of the distortion clearer...... question. If you play on clean channel where would you place a tremolo? I always thought it should stay at the end...... I have no tremolo yet....but soon :) tnx for video
I use a Zoom 9150. It's got a preamp tube, and has adjustable settings, and eq and has so many built in "pedals". Back in the day, it cost $500.
Awesome video dude, thanks for the great info
...but wouldn't the tremolo be best AFTER the distortion? ...if you put it before, it will vary the level of drive...your distortion will clean up and then become more distorted as the tremolo effect oscillates. I'd prefer a consistent tone if I was essentially turning the volume up and down.
+David Jacob Yup, it sounds terrible in front. Loop is best if you have overdrive/distortion
I would agree with you. I feel like most modulation effects do much better after the signal has been distorted.
Great video, practical and simple to understand. good job :)
Great explanation, very informative
Excellent explanation!!!! loved the format!
+Phillip McKnight I'm trying to decide between the Wide M3 and the Big Kahuna Holeyboards and I was hoping you could help me. The pedals I need on my board are (not in order) Boss TU-3, Ernie Ball VP Jr, Crybaby Wah, Proco Rat, Fuzz Face (original full size), Digitech Whammy, Boss PS-6, Boss Super Chorus, Boss DD-3, Boss NS-2, Dunlop MXR M-108, Xotic SP Compressor, Ibanez Tube King TK999. So, as you can see I have a decent amount of pedals + a good amount of larger pedals. I'll definitely be buying more pedals in the future but when I do they'll likely replace a pedal as opposed to being added to the board on top of all these other pedals. So, what size do you think I should get? Could I get away with the Wide M3 or should I play it safe and get the Big Kahuna? ORRRR, should I go with a different pedalboard altogether? The only other company I'd consider based on the ones I'm familiar with is Aclam. I saw your video plus I'm familiar with their boards and how they too can have nice 2-tiered systems which I need. PLEASE HELP ME PHIL!!!!!!
these are the best info videos ive seen thanks
Thanks Mr.Mcknight
I still have issues using the effects loop on my amp for the purpose I need. It's a Marshall 210H amo with a loop with a level knob. I wanted to use the loop for delay (I have a Strymon TimeLine) and other modulation pedals. But now I wanted to use a noise reduction pedal but I don't get the results I want. Amp is noisy at high gain channels. I don't know what to do. I've purchased many gates, supressors and similar stuff with no results. I recently bought a Sentry fromTC Electronic and want to correctly get rid of unwanted noise without having to change for an expensive JVM410HJS edition with individual noise gates per channel. Thanks Phil. Big fan for quite some time - from Costa Rica.
this was VERY useful! what about a noise gate? before the preamp or in the effects loop? thanks
in the loop but before the reverb and delay
Just curious, how would an ADA MP-1 work with an amp that has preamp tubes and then power tubes? I'm using Randall Diavlo 20 Watt heads, but I'm considering on using the MP-1 to add more "grit". Can this be done and would it enhance the sound or would I be cancelling one out while using another? This is a great video - thanks!
I know that seems obvious but I've been playing on a line 6 spider 4 for about 6 years now jamming leads over the 16 second quick loop it has built into it... little did I know I could have hooked my loop station (which was collecting dust in my closet) into the fxloop and record longer loops with effects changes in them.lol
What the proper way to connect a Korg G3 multi effects pedal to a pedalboard that has a noise gate, EQ, octave, whammy, and compressor? My amp does have an effects loop, but when I connect the Korg to the the loop, the delay on the Korg is muddy and echoey. TIA.
One of the best explanations of pedal order I've seen.
Hi.
I suggest a line switch first?
Signal A to effects and signal B to a grafic tuner?
You should review honestly the Boss MS-3. I think it's an ok product but could have been SOOO much better. They should take in account for people who want to use their effects loop and or have high gain amps would want to do so. You lose a Loop when you 4CM it. Kinda just about sucks if you ask me I own one.
Could I put my whole pedalboard through the effects loop (Fuzz,Ts9,compressor,phaser,tremelo) or could it damage the amp?
Great info. My MXR micro amp in front of my Mesa Express plus 5:50 adds the perfect amount of thickness and gain to bring it to that Tool kind of distortion that i love. If i put it in the loop it gives it an insane volume boost. Ive been curious about that mini-wah, it seems like there is not enough surface are to really work it well enough. Am i wrong?
Robert Ruiz Its great at home when you are sitting. Other than that it is very cool but I would try one for sure. It seems to be a love hate thing.
Very nice job here!
What about a Boss GE7 EQ?
I have heard before preamp and after.
Right now, I have (in order):
Soul food, tube screamer, phaser, EQ all going into my preamp. Nothing in my effects loop, but I will be adding a delay.
Great video Philip, Where did you get the pedal board itself , What brand is it
It's a Holey board by Chemical boards
@@IronDave1985 Thanks David
While I have several pedals going through the effect loop, I've recently started using a multi effects pedal with just about everything under the sun on it. I usually just use it for whammy, chorus, and sometimes distortion if I don't use the amps distortion.
Where would you suggest placing multi effect pedal?
Sedition what I have noticed, as I've been using a Boss ME-25, is that the effects loop SIGNIFICANTLY increases the volume, at times far too much. I returned to running it in line before the amp, at the end of my pedal chain, and found it much more to my liking.
Jimmy Geikie
I'll give that a shot. Thanks, bud!
iM thinking of going the Effects loop route. Just got my MXR 6 band EQ too. What would you suggest on where I should put my EQ? Should I run it with my Digidelay in the Effects loop? or put the EQ on my board to go Into the front of the amp?
I just need the EQ for a lil Volume boost for leads
97warlock ismyname after your distortion
Chorus preferably in the effects loop, but the uni-vibe should be before a distortion pedal straight into the amp? Aren't those contradictions seeing as the uni-vibe is a Chorus/Vibrato? Also, if you don't have an effects loop on your amp you should just put all the effects loop pedals behind the other ones right?
What kind of board is this? Been looking for it for ages
You just explained something that I have been trying to understand for ever super simply. Thank you.
i like modulation in the front end and time(wet) effects in the loop. BUT...... my most important pedal is the 2" box in the lower right corner of my board that bypasses all this stuff(except efx loop) to go straight into my amp and skip all this madness when i need. different strokes!!!!! it's all good!!!!! :)
But where do you put a multi-FX pedal if you want to use one with other pedals?
I agree with this except for the phase 90..... always before dirt for me.
Thank you Phil! I actually learned something today!
Nice real nice great explanation
Hi Phillip. Great video, it really helped, especially your explaination of amp and effects loop. Okay, so my question is, and if anyone here in the comments can help that's cool too, I have a Rocktron Guitar Silencer, a Cry Baby and a Dime distortion pedal. (also a MXR 10 Band EQ, and a Tube Screamer TS9), where could I put these, to get the metal chainsaw tone? I'm sure thousands have asked, but I just stumbled upon your channel. Oh, yeah, live I'm running a Randall RH200 half-stack. Any advice from you or anyone watching would be greatly appreciated.
Mr. McKnight, great video as always, thanks. One question though; I love my ancient digitech rp20 but I love my ancient Marshall valvestate distortion. Is there a way to use the effects loop with the rp20 so it doesn't become the actual tone generator but a collection of stomp boxes? Running it inline with the guitar on the clean channel gives me the sound of the pedal with the multitude of sounds and distortions which is okay, but running through the distortion channel it sounds arse! The pedal board IS the tone as oppose to the amp. Long winded but I hope you know what I'm asking. Love your channel.
If I put mt tremolo after my boost I get loud popping from the on off switch, putting it before boost it doesn't do this.
how would you chain & loop these pedals: boss metal core, boss ac3 (acoustic simulator), boss harmonizer, boss reverb & a whammy pedal?
I tried to split my pedalboard as described . I use a Walrus Audio Phoenix 120V Power Supply and ended up with a very loud grounding loop . Help !!! How do I fix this issue ???
What if you don't have an FX Loop on your amp? Is there a way to set up delay and other modulators with distortion without it sounding bad?
burtonkd1 at the end of your chain
Nice video. Where would I put the noise gate?
+defin99 You can put it in the effects loop . Or if you are only using the pedals for sound and the amp clean you can just put it at the end of the pedal chain. Either way it will do the job in the effects loop.
Looper seemed to be amped twice somehow this way when playing 2nd track again didn't match the gain ,was a hassle to dial its level on the fly. With the next live track being different volume.
What kind of pedal board is this? I've been looking for one like this for a while.
Holyboard by Chemistry boards.
I'm guessing same place you'd put a tube screamer? isn't it similar to a ts 808? So i'd try in front of the amp.
hi i use a boss me50 all in one im just a rhythm player i go through the pa no guitar amp i was thinking of eq pedal just to change the tone of the guitar what way should i wire it up thanks nice vid thanks.
What about a tuner? It has no sound value but I did notice guys like Colter Wall using the tuner to shut off the guitar while talking vs lowering the volume control.
Outstanding presentation man 👌🏻
So is this correct? Guitar->distortion->reverb-> amp? The ->are guitar cables
You’ve got too many pedals, but lucky you, my next ones are the memory man & sitar
Thanks for the video. Great work.
Anyone know the exact name of this model of holeyboard? I want one and it appears it is no longer made. Thanks
Where would you place an A/B pedal?
Any help here would be grand, I use a sansamp tech 21 but want to use my compressor chorus and distortion but i'm looking at a phaser aswell any order I should put these in? I use the sansamp for sound shaping as I play passive basses. Cheers!
Hi Phillip, where should I place amp and cab sims?
I'm looking for a Ditto vs RC-3 looper video, but this is a great video
Where would you put a noise gate?
Hey I have an mxr noise gate, so whare would you put that.?
This is why I use a guitar processor! Yeah, yeah, I'm prepared to be bludgeoned by the gear snobs, but I love my processor!
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How do you feel about behringer?
Why does compression need to come before distortion?