Jordan seems like a better dude tbh. Like something gives me the vibe that he doesn’t really enjoy arguing like this but I can’t say the same for Kyle.
Wilson Moin If you watch the full video it’s Dake who doesn’t want to stay on topic. The original debate was about 2013 Dake vs 2011 JB. When JB started to argue his points Dake stopped him and told him let’s talk about who’s better now. When JB was arguing why he is better now, Dake decided to talk about how a 2013 Dake would beat a 2011 JB. Dake even brings up Jordan’s wife in the full podcast.
Bro when did this happen I’m confused did I miss it go ahead if you want to try and make shit untrue and attack Kyle then give me the time in the video to see when he says that
What video did you watch, JB keeps referring to beating DT in 13 in freestyle when the argument was a folkstyle match both of their senior years. What is funny is you obviously miss that point too.
njgrplr2007 dude absolutely , Jordan has done more than Kyle even dreamed. Kyle is a hater, Didn’t Jordan beat Kyle? Dake has never won a series against Jordan is 77-7 in his career Kyle is 71-14 with two world championships .while Jordan won 5 including a Gold Medal at the Olympics. What the fuck is wrong with this Dake kid talking to his Father like that ? Real shit
Yes absolutely he is a late bloomer but I still do think that is the reason dake was better at folk style because he got to work off of successful seasons still taking nothing away from jb I think it would have been dake for the win
World titles in freestyle is NOT relevant to this conversation. Neither is a 2013 win vs Taylor when were talking about a 2011 version. No to mention a different style. An anyone who thinks wrestling is wrestling has obivously never been ridden an turned in folkstyle. Freestyle is much different. More about explosiveness than control. That's great folkstyle wrestlers do better in MMA than freestyle. Taking someone down can be learned easier than holding someone down. So 2 years later in a different style is irrelevant. I think JB will pass the torch next year. Just like Chuck Liddell, roy Jones, A. Silvia. The split second he was faster an better will go an he will lose matches an positions he never lost before. Age gets us all an JB is getting long n the tooth
Dake come on bro this does not look good on you man. If you’re better then shut up, act humble and show out when the time comes. No need to act like it’s WWE.
Hell yeah this was entertaining af!!! I would definitely watch wrestling more if wrestlers had a little beef and a storyline to go with it. I think more people would watch and the wrestlers would get paid more as the sport progressed.
He would have just been agreeing with Dake as DT is a better college opponent than anyone Burroughs wrestled and that's including Howe, who I was a fan of but he is not the same level as DT.
Rollin Sixties bro I forgot how did that L feel for Jordan the last two years in the finals in a way Kyle is constantly cash and Jordan is consistently trash
If Jordan is trash and Dake still has yet to be able to beat Jordan for a weight class what does that make him lol. Your literally high if you think that a guy who can’t even beat Burroughs and has to bump a weight class away to make a world team is better than him. Whatever your smoking I want some it most be good if you got things this backwards.
@@wrestlingcentral5599 insecure about the fact that he has never had success against Jordan tellinh someone to grow up when you type like a 12 year old? lol
Jordan couldn't even mount an argument contained within the premise of the hypothetical. The dude continually tried to speak on beating Taylor in freestyle two years after he graduated and used Ben's point to act as if he had somehow gotten worse since graduating. I don't know who wrestled the better guys because I wasn't into wrestling until even Dake had graduated, but I do know that Dake was the only one who could stay on track. No sort of insecurity in his voice or his points.
Wilson Moin Watch the full podcast for the context that most of these comments are based on. Jordan tried to stay point but Dake would change the argument every time. Jordan gave up and started to argue for the sake of arguing until the moderators brought Jordan back to the point until Dake started to drift towards a new argument.
Kyle Dake is trash for this. Crazy how confidently he talks down to JB when JB is literally the greatest US wrestler in recent history. I watched Kyle Dake from his freshmen year and was immediately impressed with “Kid Dynamite” (at the time). But this is such a lack of humility and goes to show why he has not measured up so far. Even if he beats JB, JB has already accomplished far more when it mattered. Kyle Dake, humble yourself.
You guys need to watch the full interview on FloWrestling. This video cuts out the most insane Kyle Dake quotes: - "I'm getting younger and younger every day bro. Check my collagen" - "Why are you fidgeting so much! Stop moving around!" -"You're getting old Jordan, and I'm getting younger every day. I can tell your Cortisol levels just by looking at you."
After listening to this debate, I find it extremely difficult to believe that K.D graduated from Cornell. One of the top Ivy League schools in America.
Like many college athletes, they both "went to school" for sports. That said, Burroughs is the one who doesn't know how to stick within the scope of the argument. He came off worse than Dake intellectually.
I understand how it seems like I am hating but I want anybody reading this to understand I WAS a huge Dake fan and this was actually extremely disappointing to watch. No class from Askren or Dake.
Your Dad I wouldn’t let one video ruin the appreciation of a whole career, while I think he was certainly obnoxious. Nobody wins when we have these debates
To be fair, Burroughs has always been two years ahead of Dake in senior freestyle experience. That edge seems to be the only thing that kept Dake from making world teams and winning medals. It will also be what costs Burroughs a chance at another Olympic medal. He's already in decline as Dake reaches the pinnacle of his career.
The problem with what your saying is that truly elite athletes come in and beat the people who have already been established even if that have more experience. Look at Dayton fix look at Yani look at J’Den Cox. The old saying is true if you want to be the best you have to beat the best and Dake could not do it whenever Burroughs was in his weight class to me it just shows he’s not the best. These other young guys have had older established wrestlers in their weight and beat them because they are the best regardless of the other person having a couple of years of international experience on them. Dake just wasn’t the best and still isn’t.
@@darkcircle899 Dake *was* not the best. Comparing Burroughs´ performance since 2018 (defeated multiple time, placed third in the last two world championships) to that of Dake (undefeated, two times world champ in 2018 and ´19), Dake will probably beat Burroughs either at 74kg or at 79kg.
Taylor’s only decent finals opponents were the two years he lost. Bubba and Dake, so Dake’s argument is invalid. Jordan’s weight classes his jr and senior year we’re nasty (Gillespie, Leen, Poeta are some of the best collegiate wresters ever). Dake’s freshman and sophomore years were more impressive as a whole than his second two years.
Dumb take. If it weren't for Bubba and Dake, he would have been undefeated a 4 time champion, and possibly 2-4 time hodge winner. Put some respek on Taylor's name, he's on another planet from those guys you listed.
mansondevil33 I’m not saying Taylor isn’t amazing, he most certainly is. But Dakes argument that he was is better because he beat Taylor is not good. Seriously who did Taylor beat for those 2 national titles??? I had to go look them up too. Not great guys in my opinion.
"TRUE CONFIDENCE MANIFESTS AS KINDNESS WHEREAS UNACKNOWLEDGED INSECURITY BECOMES ARROGANCE." Kyle Dake came off exactly like an insecure little boy trying to defend himself by arrogance.......JB whoops him all day everyday.💪💪💪
Jordan would win. He’s more aggressive and wouldn’t be riden out by Dake. He may get a few stall calls in his favor and a take down. Burroughs wins 4-2
@wax groove I am a huge Burroughs fan but Dake destroyed him in that argument, good thing this is wrestling and not debate club lol. I don't think either will run through, I think it will be extremely close with whoever wins though if I had to bet I would bet on Dake just because of Jordan's age.
Jordan Burroughs. You are a class act. You represent well. I am proud to call you a Husker. I am proud to have you as a wrestling ambassador in the Olympics representing U.S.A. Thanks for how you carry yourself. You make your family, and all your fans proud.
This is how wrestling needs to be promoted, this is how the sport can grow. Thank god ben brought a little bit of the ufc trash talk scenarios in to spice it up and get people listening.
nah i disagree. HOw does arguing and being petty grow a sport. They should showcase the humility and heart it takes to compete in this sport. Also teach people about some of the moves. And stop all the OCD stalling calls. Thats how you grow the sport.
The Andrew Howe comment was a good point. Howe and Jordan was a fun rival to watch back in the day, both guys blew their knees and bodies out during their matches and still finished. Shame Howe injuries caught up to him in the end.
I would interact with Steve bozak, Cam Simaz, and Kyle Dake occasionally. All Cornell National champs I have wrestled before (only in the room, and I never scored a point). Cam Simaz and Steve bozak were class acts. Cam Simaz was hilarious, and a nice guy. All I have to say.
@@mrczz6690 I am talking about the fights from 2018 on. Dake won every single fight in the last two years and every tournament that he was in. Burroughs lost multiple fights from 2018 on. Thus, 2018-2020 Dake was better.
According to Wiki, Jordan Burroughs and Kyle Dake wrestled at the World Trials 8 times, and Jordan Burroughs won 7 out of the 8 times, losing to Dake once 5-5. Dake should keep his mouth shut in Burroughs presence lol.
I hear you too and you sound drunk. This is JB all day long, he is 7-1 vs Dake. I honestly can’t believe people pick Dake. Must have a lot of family members chiming in, I get that.
The Falcon ya you’re right good freestylers like Kyle Snyder, J’den Cox, Kyle Dake, and Jordan Burroughs aren’t that good at folk-style. O wait a second those four had 12 national championships between them. If you’re good in one you’ll be good in the other.
Wrestlers for sure need to get paid. This isn't the way though. The MMA already gave wrestling a push, you don't need trash talk to push any sport forward. Jordan came to this livestream praising Dake but Dake wanted to flame him? Why? Because he can't beat him? Oh I was 149 pounds going into trails that's why I lost. This guy will never win Olympic gold with that mindset. You lost because of your ego buddy. If they're building a storyline for Dake and Jordan to follow... then please take this shit out of my face. No need for this. Wrestling is a holistic sport. Respect only.
huge fan of wrazzling, being an old school wrestler myself and now an Army soldier, i must say...Taylor, Burroughs and Dake are totally legit and good at the sport! with that being said, i believe the battles between Dake/Taylor would be alot different in todays college, the rules would simply not allow Dake to continually be defensive sooo much against Taylor, seriously Dake new he could not match Taylors offensive attacks, bottom line here Dake's defense was better than Taylor's offense, BUT in today rules Dake would be in serious trouble against Taylor for backing up so much.......To Dake's credit he did always manage a "w" against Taylor, and the 4 weights in 4 years is crazy (lets not even talk about what would have happened if Darrion Caldwell did not get injured and have to withdrawl, seriously Dake DOES NOT BEAT CALDWELL, CALDWELLS SENIOR YEAR, lets call it, the luck of the drawl, Darrion Caldwell beats Dake to eliminate his 4 titles, i mean who would have taken a freshmen Dake over Caldwell a Senior who beat Metcalf twice, got lucky Dake be humble)...Burroughs vs Taylor Senior to senior......Im taking Taylor, Taylor vs Dake in todays rules of college where you get dinged for backing up (stalling) Taylor wins there too, Taylor vs Dake where Dake always wrestled at the edge of the circle (stalling), Dake wins there! who's the better wrestler Senior year to senior year, all around I give the slight edge to Taylor, than Burroughs with Dake a 3rd.....defensive wrestler, DAKE hands down, but all around without stalling....Taylor and Burroughs, they never stalled and I just cant say that about Dake, call it smart or whatever thats fine, now in freestyle.........too much weight for Taylor to continue to cut so he's out of the picture on this one @ 74, right now it Burroughs and after watching this and talking to roughly 20 wrestlers they too hope Burroughs wins, sadly Dake lost some respect from a few, he didnt loose any talent, but running your mouth like that is not cool..........
@@wrestlingcentral5599 I appreciate that my friend, you probably know the game/sport just as well as i IF NOT BETTER....anyone who steps on the wrestling mat, knows onething.....its the hardest training you will ever go through, we have all been there and done that, my best stories of all time are the days i spent kicking butt and getting my butt kicked in the "war room"....btw "wrestling central", safe wishes to you my friend, safe wishes to all....Hooah!
I hated this. I think it’s lame for FLO to set this up if it was a surprise for each. In life, answering hypothetical questions is a good way to look like a jerk if you play the game. I respect both of these guys but hated to see them talk this way. Its easier to say, “that would have been an awesome match” than insult each other or the world class opponents the other had beaten. It’s like the movie Wargames. The only way to win is not to play.
I’m a Dake fan because of his credentials and general attitude, but man it’s hard watching him act like an instigator while Burroughs beat him soundly in the argument intelligently. Reminds me of how NDT acted like a total prick on the JRE podcast.
There have been alot of great 163 pounders shultz, Kemp Wayne wells and Kenny Monday so who knows who was the best plus the Russian satiev so maybe these two guys are 3rd best or 4th
These guys have improved a lot since they last met so when they showdown at the team trails in 2021 it’s going to be crazy 😂 whoever wins is going to win gold at the Olympics
Burroughs beat Howe at Midlands. Howe tore his hamstring shortly afterwards. I think that's what Burroughs is referencing; I don't think they wrestled again that year since Burroughs wrestled Caldwell at both the Big 12 (Nebraska was Big 12 that time) and the NCAA Finals.
Jordan seems like a better dude tbh. Like something gives me the vibe that he doesn’t really enjoy arguing like this but I can’t say the same for Kyle.
Totally agree
They’ve been competing their whole lives. This is nothing
I’ve met Kyle totally nice dude and he is getting rowdy because that’s what competitors do
Dake came looking for a fight
Dake is enjoying this so much.
Bruh I thought Dake was a nice guy smh but team Burroughs all the way
Game Changer he still is but no one is ever going to say they’d lose a match they feel confident in
He’s salty he never beat him
@@MaJeSTiCz0 actually he has
JB is pure class
Bro yah kinda same i feel you
Kyle is salty
BBB bro how, he is better at folk style how is he salty he fucking killed him in that argument if anything Jordan should be salty right now
@@wrestlingcentral5599 dake is salty because he cant beat jb
B V ask Jordan how back to back bronze feels cause I bet Kyles back to back golds felt better
Wrestling Central Jordan was wrestling a better opponent then dake was, he’s beaten dake multiple times man lmao
Kyle does not want to listen
Burroughs didn't want to stay on topic
Wilson Moin If you watch the full video it’s Dake who doesn’t want to stay on topic. The original debate was about 2013 Dake vs 2011 JB. When JB started to argue his points Dake stopped him and told him let’s talk about who’s better now. When JB was arguing why he is better now, Dake decided to talk about how a 2013 Dake would beat a 2011 JB. Dake even brings up Jordan’s wife in the full podcast.
JB: *Makes well reasoned point with supporting facts and evidence*
Dake: "YOU'RE OLD LOL!!!"
Bro when did this happen I’m confused did I miss it go ahead if you want to try and make shit untrue and attack Kyle then give me the time in the video to see when he says that
The Matturbator dismissing a great rhetorical argument
What video did you watch, JB keeps referring to beating DT in 13 in freestyle when the argument was a folkstyle match both of their senior years. What is funny is you obviously miss that point too.
It's called hyperbole, get a sense of humor you 10 year olds.
@@wrestlingcentral5599 dake called him old the entire time he was on
Props to Jordan Burroughs handled himself like a champion.
Dake wining and complaining not a good look 👀
@Gregg Henson I know your jaws have to be sore.
@@Demloki21 ?
After that match Dake was right tho 💀 as you get older u get less good. Dake went 2-0 in april 2021 against Jordan
Typical Dake.
People from NJ, who got to watch Jordan mature as a wrestler, know he was a late bloomer.
njgrplr2007 dude absolutely , Jordan has done more than Kyle even dreamed. Kyle is a hater, Didn’t Jordan beat Kyle? Dake has never won a series against Jordan is 77-7 in his career Kyle is 71-14 with two world championships .while Jordan won 5 including a Gold Medal at the Olympics. What the fuck is wrong with this Dake kid talking to his Father like that ? Real shit
@@murkincl69 bet you wouldnt say that to dakes face
Yes absolutely he is a late bloomer but I still do think that is the reason dake was better at folk style because he got to work off of successful seasons still taking nothing away from jb I think it would have been dake for the win
Late bloomer he won 2 NCAA titles and a gold medal at the olympics.
World titles in freestyle is NOT relevant to this conversation. Neither is a 2013 win vs Taylor when were talking about a 2011 version. No to mention a different style. An anyone who thinks wrestling is wrestling has obivously never been ridden an turned in folkstyle. Freestyle is much different. More about explosiveness than control. That's great folkstyle wrestlers do better in MMA than freestyle. Taking someone down can be learned easier than holding someone down. So 2 years later in a different style is irrelevant. I think JB will pass the torch next year. Just like Chuck Liddell, roy Jones, A. Silvia. The split second he was faster an better will go an he will lose matches an positions he never lost before. Age gets us all an JB is getting long n the tooth
BURROUGHS is the champ! Dake acted like a punk here. He was disrespectful.
Actually Burroughs ended up third in the last two world championships whereas Dake has been world champ since 2018 ...
@@occasionalsurfer9666 do you think jb will beat dake for tokyo since he sounds and acts more grown up?
Dake come on bro this does not look good on you man. If you’re better then shut up, act humble and show out when the time comes. No need to act like it’s WWE.
Big Country true
We need some more WWE mainstream drama like this. More people need to see the sport so it can gain the popularity it deserves
Hell yeah this was entertaining af!!! I would definitely watch wrestling more if wrestlers had a little beef and a storyline to go with it. I think more people would watch and the wrestlers would get paid more as the sport progressed.
Dake sounds like the Miz WWE and punchable ass choice
JB: “You could have gone 66kg”
Kyle Dake: *gargled speech*
Flo: Changes subject
Im sorry what year was he talking about and did Dake wrestle 74
@@chopstyx141 2011, howe beat dake that year, and him and burroughs wrestled in the finals
For the love of Wrestling I have never had a comment get more likes than my Facebook profile picture. Please, let’s get that 100 my sons.
Let jordan talk KYLE ....
thats how he is
佐藤武志 well obviously 🙄
佐藤武志 how is that who he is at all you don’t know him this is the first time he has acted like thus
Tyson McCain nice name fam
Tyson Castro that’s crazy
Wow, this was uncomfortable to watch lol
I'm sure and I will take your word for it..lol
Cringe ass boys lol they can wrestle but terrible talk game
@@G225-t4w lmao fr they’re tryna be like mcgregor or something, I thought burrough was kind of chill though throughout the interview
Ur a panzy
Fr bro 😭 I could barely watch
you guys should have had david taylor there too to see what he would say
He would be all dake
Oh ya he would be 100 million percent dake
He would have just been agreeing with Dake as DT is a better college opponent than anyone Burroughs wrestled and that's including Howe, who I was a fan of but he is not the same level as DT.
To say what? Which guy wooped him harder?
TheRednose3269 ...the one time they wrestled he lost so... good call
Jordan tried to give dake props and dake is seriously salty and envious of Jordan. Thats why Dake lost to Jordan
Rollin Sixties bro I forgot how did that L feel for Jordan the last two years in the finals in a way Kyle is constantly cash and Jordan is consistently trash
Wrestling Central why are you so toxic LOL. I see you in every reply if someone praising jb
If Jordan is trash and Dake still has yet to be able to beat Jordan for a weight class what does that make him lol. Your literally high if you think that a guy who can’t even beat Burroughs and has to bump a weight class away to make a world team is better than him. Whatever your smoking I want some it most be good if you got things this backwards.
@@darkcircle899 Dake is going to Tokyo though.
@@darkcircle899 Dake just dominated Jordan. Straight made him his bitch.
All I see is INSECURITY lol. Dake acting dumb right here.
Gold Mentality about what ur stupid kid grow up
@@wrestlingcentral5599 insecure about the fact that he has never had success against Jordan
tellinh someone to grow up when you type like a 12 year old? lol
Jordan couldn't even mount an argument contained within the premise of the hypothetical. The dude continually tried to speak on beating Taylor in freestyle two years after he graduated and used Ben's point to act as if he had somehow gotten worse since graduating. I don't know who wrestled the better guys because I wasn't into wrestling until even Dake had graduated, but I do know that Dake was the only one who could stay on track. No sort of insecurity in his voice or his points.
Wilson Moin Watch the full podcast for the context that most of these comments are based on. Jordan tried to stay point but Dake would change the argument every time. Jordan gave up and started to argue for the sake of arguing until the moderators brought Jordan back to the point until Dake started to drift towards a new argument.
@@bv6377 How about now
Kyle Dake is trash for this. Crazy how confidently he talks down to JB when JB is literally the greatest US wrestler in recent history. I watched Kyle Dake from his freshmen year and was immediately impressed with “Kid Dynamite” (at the time). But this is such a lack of humility and goes to show why he has not measured up so far. Even if he beats JB, JB has already accomplished far more when it mattered. Kyle Dake, humble yourself.
I agree JB is humble and Dake seems like a big mouth, just my opinion.
wise words for a juvinile
Until you realize that they’re homies having a debate for shits n giggles…
@@connorbooth7601 EXACTLY.
You guys need to watch the full interview on FloWrestling. This video cuts out the most insane Kyle Dake quotes:
- "I'm getting younger and younger every day bro. Check my collagen"
- "Why are you fidgeting so much! Stop moving around!"
-"You're getting old Jordan, and I'm getting younger every day. I can tell your Cortisol levels just by looking at you."
this is hilarious...I'm going to watch now
After listening to this debate, I find it extremely difficult to believe that K.D graduated from Cornell. One of the top Ivy League schools in America.
I know right!!! But I'm sure when he opens a book its lights out
So true hahah
B V a scholarship you earn isn’t ‘white privilege’ ?
"That you earn" ummm.. I don't know. There's a lot of privilege associated with schools. Don't know if u really know if he earned it
Like many college athletes, they both "went to school" for sports. That said, Burroughs is the one who doesn't know how to stick within the scope of the argument. He came off worse than Dake intellectually.
Kyle Dakes true character coming out. Glad Burroughs is classy. That’s how US should represent.
Go cry
It's called competition, son.
Too bad, your man Burroughs is not going to represent USA. Go cry us a river.
Dake came out guns blazing, sheesh! He wanted all the smoke lol.
Just not on the mat tho...
@@brandonporter4424 thats exactly where he wants it lol
exactly wanted all the e cig smoke
@@mc.cringleberry8716 I guess i should have said that he wanted the smoke but couldnt handle the smoke! Lol
@@brandonporter4424 I'm sure a 2 time world champ can handle it just fine
I understand how it seems like I am hating but I want anybody reading this to understand I WAS a huge Dake fan and this was actually extremely disappointing to watch. No class from Askren or Dake.
he brought up JBs wife.... no class
Your Dad I wouldn’t let one video ruin the appreciation of a whole career, while I think he was certainly obnoxious. Nobody wins when we have these debates
Shawn Smith but Jordan won... When you can’t control yourself, you lose.
@BV yeah that was a bitch move.
Your Dad - Same here dad, I strongly agree.. so classless and arrogant You’ve taught me better than that, father..
Why is Kyle so snappy
Because he's cocky
Maxwell English Fr
I heard he was a asshole in real life
Because he is 1-7 against JB
Karrel Estell from who, he seemed like a nice guy except from this video.
Dake talking a lot considering the fact he didnt make 1 world team at 74kg
To be fair, Burroughs has always been two years ahead of Dake in senior freestyle experience. That edge seems to be the only thing that kept Dake from making world teams and winning medals. It will also be what costs Burroughs a chance at another Olympic medal. He's already in decline as Dake reaches the pinnacle of his career.
The problem with what your saying is that truly elite athletes come in and beat the people who have already been established even if that have more experience. Look at Dayton fix look at Yani look at J’Den Cox. The old saying is true if you want to be the best you have to beat the best and Dake could not do it whenever Burroughs was in his weight class to me it just shows he’s not the best. These other young guys have had older established wrestlers in their weight and beat them because they are the best regardless of the other person having a couple of years of international experience on them. Dake just wasn’t the best and still isn’t.
@@darkcircle899 Dake *was* not the best. Comparing Burroughs´ performance since 2018 (defeated multiple time, placed third in the last two world championships) to that of Dake (undefeated, two times world champ in 2018 and ´19), Dake will probably beat Burroughs either at 74kg or at 79kg.
Dake has lost to Burroughs 7 out of 8 times. Sad little Kyle
And that 1 win he's got over JB wasn't exactly a spectacular win either🤣🤣🤣
Things have changed
@@brotherjoshua6258 yeah he got the last laugh for sure. Even though Burroughs owned the series. Congrats to Kyle
@@brotherjoshua6258 so the record is 2-8 now.I dont watch wrestling
Doesn’t matter, all that matters is what have you done for me lately. Lately, Dake whooped him 2 rounds in a row.
I’ve been a fan of dake ever since college even after the ankle injury but you’re medals and career don’t even measure to jbs ... career
Jordan would win he beat Caldwell 11-3 , Dake beat him 3-0 , Jordan would beat him on takes downs and probably let Dake ride him out on the 3rd .
Horacio Gomez...how about this, Jordan would win because he has beaten him 7 FREAKING TIMES.
Taylor’s only decent finals opponents were the two years he lost. Bubba and Dake, so Dake’s argument is invalid. Jordan’s weight classes his jr and senior year we’re nasty (Gillespie, Leen, Poeta are some of the best collegiate wresters ever). Dake’s freshman and sophomore years were more impressive as a whole than his second two years.
Dumb take. If it weren't for Bubba and Dake, he would have been undefeated a 4 time champion, and possibly 2-4 time hodge winner. Put some respek on Taylor's name, he's on another planet from those guys you listed.
mansondevil33 that is very true you never hear anything about DT people do need to put some respect on his name
mansondevil33 I’m not saying Taylor isn’t amazing, he most certainly is. But Dakes argument that he was is better because he beat Taylor is not good. Seriously who did Taylor beat for those 2 national titles??? I had to go look them up too. Not great guys in my opinion.
facts
"TRUE CONFIDENCE
MANIFESTS AS KINDNESS
WHEREAS UNACKNOWLEDGED
INSECURITY BECOMES
ARROGANCE." Kyle Dake came off exactly like an insecure little boy trying to defend himself by arrogance.......JB whoops him all day everyday.💪💪💪
This didn’t age well...
Calm down
Jordan would win. He’s more aggressive and wouldn’t be riden out by Dake. He may get a few stall calls in his favor and a take down. Burroughs wins 4-2
No he wouldn’t he can’t get a double leg on Dake if his life depended on it
Yonii Do you want me to send you video of him Blast doubling Dake?
JB has beat Dake like 6 out of the 7 times they've wrestled
5:25😂 when Jordan said “OK?” 😂
Ben bring Jorge Masvidal on 🥴
Saul Pantoja lol
Believe it or not askren would still win the verbal exchanges. That's just Ben
I’m sleep 🤣😂🤣😂
wrestling aesthetics why are you so wrong 😢😂
Boom roasted
JB: Lets talk about how many times I Beat you real quick.. Kyle: Alright bro you got it.
In the immortal words of Big John McCarthy
"Are you ready, Are you ready"!..........."LET'S GET IT ON!!!
Dake is good, but Burroughs is better.
Sister Brothers I respect your opinion but I think In folk style it has to be dake
Dake is good, but Burroughs *was* better. Now Dake is better, compare their record since 2018.
Wheres the full one?? These are the videos I love
Dake showed his ass, Hope JB runs through him
@wax groove I am a huge Burroughs fan but Dake destroyed him in that argument, good thing this is wrestling and not debate club lol. I don't think either will run through, I think it will be extremely close with whoever wins though if I had to bet I would bet on Dake just because of Jordan's age.
TheRednose3269 I love this comment it is almost exactly what I thought when I saw ur comment
Dake has 14 loses on his record. 7 of those are to Jordan. Jordan is 7-1 against Dake. That's all that matters.
And it was tied up lol
Look Ben how happy he is
props to Jordan Burroughs for staying cool and humble, Kyle dake is hella mad he lost to Jordan Burroughs
This is AWESOME. Way to go, Flo.
Elvis 100% agree with you
JB needs to destroy this dude again🤦🏽♂️
Who else isn’t a dake fan anymore?
Ben is such a trouble maker...lol
This was awesome!!!
Jordan Burroughs. You are a class act. You represent well. I am proud to call you a Husker. I am proud to have you as a wrestling ambassador in the Olympics representing U.S.A. Thanks for how you carry yourself. You make your family, and all your fans proud.
And Kyle Dake is the opposite.
Add David Taylor to the conversation 😂
gabriel mcduffie lol I wonder what he thinks 🤣
This is how wrestling needs to be promoted, this is how the sport can grow. Thank god ben brought a little bit of the ufc trash talk scenarios in to spice it up and get people listening.
nah i disagree. HOw does arguing and being petty grow a sport. They should showcase the humility and heart it takes to compete in this sport. Also teach people about some of the moves. And stop all the OCD stalling calls. Thats how you grow the sport.
The one thing that separates wrestling from other sports is the purity. This isnt the ufc nor does any wrestler/fan want it to be
The way Dake was talking you’d think he was the one to beat JB 7 times and not the other way around
JB swept
The Andrew Howe comment was a good point. Howe and Jordan was a fun rival to watch back in the day, both guys blew their knees and bodies out during their matches and still finished. Shame Howe injuries caught up to him in the end.
Jordan really said “that was your choice bruh, you could have wrestled 66” 😂
The one who was more friendly and relaxed set a fine example.
you can tell which one is the face of USA wrestling
Here on 4/3/21 reading the comments from last year... Kyle Dake, your 74 kg Olympian
It’s good for wrestlers to evolve and take on new styles to keep their opponents guessing
I would interact with Steve bozak, Cam Simaz, and Kyle Dake occasionally.
All Cornell National champs I have wrestled before (only in the room, and I never scored a point).
Cam Simaz and Steve bozak were class acts.
Cam Simaz was hilarious, and a nice guy.
All I have to say.
Only just started watching wrestling last couple months starting to love it just wish it was a bigger sport in the uk
Both great but Jordan better. Faster, better defense, slightly better athlete. I called dake being 4x champ after his 141 title too. Beast
Jordan was better, Dake is better now. Compare their record since 2018.
@@occasionalsurfer9666 ...
Dake is 68-17
Jordan is 185-9
Dake is 1-7 against him
@@mrczz6690 I am talking about the fights from 2018 on. Dake won every single fight in the last two years and every tournament that he was in. Burroughs lost multiple fights from 2018 on. Thus, 2018-2020 Dake was better.
Most respectful trash talk ever
According to Wiki, Jordan Burroughs and Kyle Dake wrestled at the World Trials 8 times, and Jordan Burroughs won 7 out of the 8 times, losing to Dake once 5-5. Dake should keep his mouth shut in Burroughs presence lol.
BOOM!!!!
Somebody's a little Bitter!
Andrew Howe was a beast. I watched him beat Dake. I'm glad Jordan put some respect on his name.
Sick wrestling commentary all around!
I think Dake would have won but Dake did make it hard to hear Jordan’s side
Owen Noel I hear you big man
I hear you too and you sound drunk. This is JB all day long, he is 7-1 vs Dake. I honestly can’t believe people pick Dake. Must have a lot of family members chiming in, I get that.
Otdier 7-1 in Freestyle. This is the NCAAs we are talking about. Its a whole different game that Dake ruled for 4 years.
Otdier in freestyle 😂
The Falcon ya you’re right good freestylers like Kyle Snyder, J’den Cox, Kyle Dake, and Jordan Burroughs aren’t that good at folk-style. O wait a second those four had 12 national championships between them. If you’re good in one you’ll be good in the other.
Kyle straight trolling lol and Ben was loving it 🤣
The Chis Handsome Show bro I know he even got the Jordan fans pissed 😂😂😂
Wrestling Central nahhh Dake is cringe lol
They don’t remember jb teching dake in 2013
Dake’s salty because he’s a elite wrestler but Burroughs is just a little bit better.
Kyle’s toxic
Don't tell me you guys didn't see Ben Askren scrolling on social media 😂
0 olympic teams vs 2 teams and an Olympic gold medal
Jordan was trying to give Dake credit, but Dake sounded like he was making a case that Jordan hasnt done anything.
Dake off a perc 💀
Thank you for this, Ben
Who’s here after Dake beat Burroughs?
I think Jordan was confused on the premise. He kept talking about himself in 2013 but it’s supposed to be him in 2011.
Kyle has no defense in discussion. Just a bunch of excuses spewed as Jordan makes each case. He got owned here too.
Well Jordan Burroughs was a Olympic gold medalists and a 4 time world gold medalist.
Yes, was. Placed third 2018 and 2019, whereas Dake won both.
Every time Jordan says “here’s the deal”😂
This is great to watch. I love the rivalry!
Jordan didnt even want to argue, Kyle was being very disrespectful
Rather be a 4× World Champion, Olympic Champion, and 2 Time NCAA Champion, then a 2×World Champ and 4×NCAA Champion
James Hunter he’s a three time world champ and no because that means dake has almost if not accomplished more in less time and has more coming his way
Well Dakes now a 4x World Champion, and 4x Ncaa Champion, and he's going to the Paris Olympics, in he can pull this off he'll beat Jb in achievements
Wrestlers for sure need to get paid. This isn't the way though. The MMA already gave wrestling a push, you don't need trash talk to push any sport forward. Jordan came to this livestream praising Dake but Dake wanted to flame him? Why? Because he can't beat him? Oh I was 149 pounds going into trails that's why I lost. This guy will never win Olympic gold with that mindset. You lost because of your ego buddy. If they're building a storyline for Dake and Jordan to follow... then please take this shit out of my face. No need for this. Wrestling is a holistic sport. Respect only.
damn jordan was actually complementing kyles accolades and then kyle goes off XD. these two are awesome
So glad Dake finally smoked this dude.
huge fan of wrazzling, being an old school wrestler myself and now an Army soldier, i must say...Taylor, Burroughs and Dake are totally legit and good at the sport! with that being said, i believe the battles between Dake/Taylor would be alot different in todays college, the rules would simply not allow Dake to continually be defensive sooo much against Taylor, seriously Dake new he could not match Taylors offensive attacks, bottom line here Dake's defense was better than Taylor's offense, BUT in today rules Dake would be in serious trouble against Taylor for backing up so much.......To Dake's credit he did always manage a "w" against Taylor, and the 4 weights in 4 years is crazy (lets not even talk about what would have happened if Darrion Caldwell did not get injured and have to withdrawl, seriously Dake DOES NOT BEAT CALDWELL, CALDWELLS SENIOR YEAR, lets call it, the luck of the drawl, Darrion Caldwell beats Dake to eliminate his 4 titles, i mean who would have taken a freshmen Dake over Caldwell a Senior who beat Metcalf twice, got lucky Dake be humble)...Burroughs vs Taylor Senior to senior......Im taking Taylor, Taylor vs Dake in todays rules of college where you get dinged for backing up (stalling) Taylor wins there too, Taylor vs Dake where Dake always wrestled at the edge of the circle (stalling), Dake wins there! who's the better wrestler Senior year to senior year, all around I give the slight edge to Taylor, than Burroughs with Dake a 3rd.....defensive wrestler, DAKE hands down, but all around without stalling....Taylor and Burroughs, they never stalled and I just cant say that about Dake, call it smart or whatever thats fine, now in freestyle.........too much weight for Taylor to continue to cut so he's out of the picture on this one @ 74, right now it Burroughs and after watching this and talking to roughly 20 wrestlers they too hope Burroughs wins, sadly Dake lost some respect from a few, he didnt loose any talent, but running your mouth like that is not cool..........
albert lester bro I totally respect your opinion and the whole way you presented your opinion without trashing on anyone
@@wrestlingcentral5599 I appreciate that my friend, you probably know the game/sport just as well as i IF NOT BETTER....anyone who steps on the wrestling mat, knows onething.....its the hardest training you will ever go through, we have all been there and done that, my best stories of all time are the days i spent kicking butt and getting my butt kicked in the "war room"....btw "wrestling central", safe wishes to you my friend, safe wishes to all....Hooah!
I hated this. I think it’s lame for FLO to set this up if it was a surprise for each. In life, answering hypothetical questions is a good way to look like a jerk if you play the game. I respect both of these guys but hated to see them talk this way. Its easier to say, “that would have been an awesome match” than insult each other or the world class opponents the other had beaten.
It’s like the movie Wargames. The only way to win is not to play.
Jordan is the best of this decade far none.
Dake been hanging out with the functional patterns guy too much.
I’m a Dake fan because of his credentials and general attitude, but man it’s hard watching him act like an instigator while Burroughs beat him soundly in the argument intelligently. Reminds me of how NDT acted like a total prick on the JRE podcast.
I appreciate both of these amazing wrestlers. I missed the point of the discussion. Can we just agree they both deserve a large amount of respect?
Who’s watching this after Kyle beat Jordan
I wonder if Kyle's use of Functional Patterns will make him dramatically better or just a little better.
Nobody gonna mention Ben running into a knee
JB is King
Damn i thought dake was cooler than that
me too. turns out he is an asshole. he also isnt interesting enough to be a heel. tough spot
Who on the toyko team .
There have been alot of great 163 pounders shultz, Kemp Wayne wells and Kenny Monday so who knows who was the best plus the Russian satiev so maybe these two guys are 3rd best or 4th
These guys have improved a lot since they last met so when they showdown at the team trails in 2021 it’s going to be crazy 😂 whoever wins is going to win gold at the Olympics
Where’s the whole conversation?
Didn’t JB make dale change weight classes because he couldn’t beat him I used to like fake until this
This was 6mins of dake grilling JB. Reminiscent of michael bisping and luke rockhold 2 during that infamous press conference
wrestling aesthetics well he wouldn’t let JB finish a single sentence 😂
@@isaacadriano7794 JB was trying to change the argument the entire time
@6:30 Howe was coming back from a torn hamstring two months before as well when Burroughs beat him.
Burroughs beat Howe at Midlands. Howe tore his hamstring shortly afterwards. I think that's what Burroughs is referencing; I don't think they wrestled again that year since Burroughs wrestled Caldwell at both the Big 12 (Nebraska was Big 12 that time) and the NCAA Finals.
wrestle4life234 face facts your guy can’t even win a world silver
Wrestling Central ...you’re right just 5 golds and 3 bronze. You know normal stuff.
Drew ya cause JB didn’t have him other wise.
I remember listening to this live