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Killer Nurse Lucy Letby Found Guilty Of Baby Murder
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- Lucy Letby will spend the rest of her life behind bars after receiving whole life terms for killing babies in the Cheshire hospital she worked at, but yet, she still has an army of fans who believe she is completely innocent.
In her latest trial, which she has been found guilty for the attempted murder of another baby, it is reported that suspicious doctors at the hospital where Letby murdered, told of how they were "written off" by NHS bosses as "a bunch of complaining consultants".
Psychotherapist Lucy Beresford explains to Talk's Kevin O'Sullivan it's not unusual for criminals and people who have been convicted, to attract a following. She says: "There's something very powerful about the belonging in a group where you think you are uncovering things that other people have taken for granted."
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The supporters do not believe she is guilty. Other people have been wrongly convicted.
It’s not that weird.
What other people turn out to be innocent?
@@run2cat4runLucia de Berk. Her case was almost identical
try get well soon@@run2cat4run
@@run2cat4runit's called miscarriage of justice, there is no way you are on RUclips and never came across a video about a innocent person who was wrongly convicted, I am not saying this women is innocent, but your comment is pretty ridiculous
@@minniebluebell6388 so i not allowed to ask questions?
No evidence. Feeling guilty about not being able to save a baby does not equate to guilt.
So you were at the trial. Reviewed all the evidence .
@@susanbishop5228In today's day an age you don't need to be 'at the trial' to be able to read the evidence.
@simplesimon5739 not true
That's why we have juries.
@@susanbishop5228 It wouldnt take long to review the evidence. It was more or less her diary where she expressed her inadequacies and self doubt and inner guilt. And the algorithmically deduced detail that more babies died while she was on shift than the norm.
There really isnt much more to it.
It would be like blaming the only survivor of a bush crash for killing everyone on the bus, despite them just being a passenger.
@@Aspartame69 Yes, they held the longest trial in English legal history with nothing but a few lines in a diary. Hear yourself.
I would wager everything i own that these two characters havent done any research that would allow them to have a valid opinion.
I agree
I'm confused about the lack of evidence she's been convicted on. Wouldn't have passed the threshold if she wasn't in the media.
And Lucy Letby is white too
Her case has barely been in the media due to reporting restrictions, so what are you on about? She went through the longest criminal trial in English legal history, so clearly there was a ton of stuff to go over. It's not like they turned up in court with nothing and just said "she looks a bit murdery, you can convict her on vibes".
@@8964TS her case has been all over the world. All she was convicted on was a bit of paper with "I did it I'm a monster" scribbled on
Get real, she was caught red handed on a couple of occasions, the rest she was the only possible suspect… immediately after she left the room etc for the next person to raise the alarm.
Dr Jayram caught her red handed and was in NO DOUBT about her guilt.
When she was removed, the collapses stopped, when she returned, they returned. When she was working nights, they occurred at night, when she was working day shifts, they occurred then.
When she was on holiday for 2 weeks, they stopped - for 2 weeks. The day she returned, they restarted !!
After her arrest and removal from the unit, all the unexplained collapses suddenly ceased !
It could only be her !!
@@johnnyhock circumstancial. Could also be Dr Jayram.
If was a nurse I would NEVER work on a ward where people die - not after this case.
@@Hickalum then you'd never work on a ward because people die in hospital or care homes etc. it's exceptionally unusual and I'm thinking you think they just chose her because babies died. They didn't and babies die in hospital and a whole police taskforce isn't set up. Can't you see the parallel of other medics choosing vulnerable groups so they go under the radar more easily?
@@lesley9989 It’s not complicated … The chance of being falsely accused of killing patients is tiny. It is highly unlikely. But the Consequence, if it happens, is life imprisonment. Therefore I would not work where patients die.
Nurses are now quitting neonatal precisely for this reason.
At this point she could just be a dumping ground for any or all problems in that nhs trust. Something not right about all this.
These 2 are talking utter tripe ! 🙄
Unfortunately, yes.
Indeed they are!
This is for baby k, which they failed to get a prosecution for last time. So you keep going until you get the right result. There's also more babies that didn't die. As for Ms. Beresford, never believe anyone that wants to put people down because they don't hold her beliefs.
@@simplesimon5739 but NG people don't do this!? Laughable. A trial then two Appeals and a Retrial and you think people keep going back to get the result they wanted? For goodness sake. She was already banged up for countless WLC, so explain why they would do a ret-trial for Baby K when it would make no difference to the sentencing! 😂 They couldn't add more into her sentence. The CPS look at whether it's in the public and families interest to retrial. Be honest. Two appeals an if a CCRC submission is lodged but unsuccessful then another one should be lodged, or it isn't turned down, goes to the Court of Appeal and unsuccessful etc, then they shouldn't carry on until they have the result they need? Can you see that what you're saying? It's ok to carry on for someone to continue when it's a result you want, but no one else?
@lesley9989 Are you completely stupid her appeal was turned down. Please don't post to me again. Your level of intelligence is embarrassing. She was tried again for baby k. And this time, she was found guilty. It is a plain and simple fact that you can find on the CPS website. Get some help or stop srinking/take your medication.
Is there a support group for the parents of the murdered babies?
Nurses don’t have to work on the front line - on a ward.
There are loads of ‘back room’ jobs that don’t carry the risk.
Let us the suppose the chance of you being accused of murder, because you were ‘there’ when somebody died, is tiny, tiny, tiny.
But if, by some unfortunate situation, it happens … Then you get IMPRISONED FOR LIFE.
Now - as in RIGHT NOW, as a nurse on a ward where people die … What are you gonna do ???
@@Hickalum what on earth are you talking about?
@@Hickalum👍 Agree, scapegoating is high on the NHS agenda, it avoids real accountability & opening a can of worms.
@@Marigold502 Is there a support group for all those who have lost loved ones under unexplained hospital conditions?
@@miacat1727
I hope there is.
We need better evidence, really.
We know about the concept of reasonable doubt - it's a difficult one to get right. If you can imagine a scenario that fits the few facts we have, & where LL _didn't_ murder the poor babies, then in a sense that is a reasonable doubt right there.
She's *probably* guilty, but "probably" is not good enough for a life sentence. Thank God we don't have capital punishment. As someone else said here, many people are falsely convicted...and very few get any support like this
Why is the title saying she's been charged with murder?
@@8964TS the title is incorrect. It's exactly why you can't believe some of the crap on social media
That s not correct.
Circumstantial evidence , NOBODY should be convicted on circumstantial evidence , that's why they are still going after her because they know that conviction will not stand .
For the love of god: circumstantial evidence simply means indirect evidence from which guilt can be inferred. It’s used ALL THE TIME in court. Most trials rely far more on circumstantial evidence than direct evidence. It’s normal. A case is only weak if you have only a couple of pieces of flimsy circumstantial evidence, but you could have incredibly strong circumstantial evidence and lots of it that all corroborate each other and build a picture.
Have you actually read through the evidence yourself? There is substantial evidence that she is guilty.
Circumstantial evidence is still evidence
Never was convinced by the LL verdict, which was based on circumstancial evidence alone. In my opinion LL was framed & made a scape goat for all the atrocities happening on that particular ward. She is now imprisoned for life while others equally guilty of negligence, walk free of any responsibility for these supposed murders of extremely vulnerable babies who's lives were frail anyway.
get well soon you have not heard the evidence so what are you on were you working with her are you a doctor were you in the court to hear the evidence no so try not be so stupid
@@dianecameron137👏
Have you actually read through the evidence yourself?
If the ward is so terrible, why did the deaths stop when she went on holiday, and when she had days off?
@@lenaoxton8827 The deaths didn't stop when LL was not on the ward, the times were manipulated to look like they only occurred when she was present, the real evidence showing other staff who were equally present, was conveniently dismissed.
@@miacat1727 I can’t post links here but go to the Lucy Letby subreddit and there is a large document of compiled evidence including Lucy’s own words in trial.
It’s got cover up all over it. The met couldn’t investigate a lollipop on a stick. I feel for Lucy in the hands of the NHS and the met.
get yourself a shrink
@dianecameron137
I think you need one with the manner in which you keep replying to people!
only stupid people@@bradleyday5829
@@AustinGoodman-ub9fo always everyone else's fault, isn't it? The Trust, the police, all the prosecution witnesses, the CPS, the Defence not been good enough, the appeal Judge and Judges, the two Juries
@@bradleyday5829 probably because people are fed up with denying the evidence and please don't say what evidence. They're probably sick of the stuff I see everyday with people saying poor Lucy, whilst giving no thoughts to the families who sat through this. It's why the families' Barristers wanted the inquiry to be live streamed because of conspiracy theorists on social media
Imagine if she was innocent??
She's not.
@@LoonZoomBoo Innocent or not, circumstantial evidence is never adequate to put someone away on a murder charge. Everything in this case is circumstantial.
Accept many eyewitnesses disagree
@@Aspartame69 Most evidence throughout legal history has been circumstantial. It's entirely normal to convict people on it.
@@8964TS Not for criminal cases. Civil cases can convict on the preponderance of evidence. Criminal case has to be beyond reasonable doubt with the implication that only solid evidence can get you over that line.
Maybe read the Guardian or Telegraph articles on this a couple of days ago to inform yourselves a bit more?
Embarrassing lack of knowledge by 2 people who don't seem to have any idea about this case.
If Lucy letby was a big fat woman or a middle aged man everyone would say guilty with the same evidence.
or at least there wouldn't be a big support group like this...nevertheless, it's worth rationally considering whether the evidence against her is sufficient.
My problem is that so many miscarriages of justice happen that are NOT examined properly
@@SuperBartles yeah but 2 trials and 2 guilty verdicts are pretty convincing. She doesn't come across someone innocent.
This country is full of crazy people
That expert was quick to categorise people who support Lucy Letby. Although the evidence is what it is, the prosecutor was a relentless bully. I would flounder and make inappropriate responses if asked about my movements and work notes years after the fact.
If you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. This seems to be her hobby horse, the group validation theory.
No evidence could be innocent..
take a long look in the mirror and then if you think the same get help because supporting a serial baby killer is as evil as her
get well soon
Really isn't innocent
“No evidence” translation “I have not read through the evidence”
There is substantial evidence that she is guilty.
What a nob end post, you do not have to prove innocence.
There were no murders its all a big cover up she was a scapegoat its disgusting the way shes been treated , your talking absolute rubbish
Rot in jail.
@@stephenoliver2170 Who poisoned the IV bags with insulin?
@@stephenoliver2170 👍 Well said. No post Mortem, no toxicology report, no CCT, the babies were critical, the ward was overrun with unsupervised junior Dr's, reputation already questionable & apparently 17 deaths so what happened to the other 10. Ask any honest nurse & they will tell you how corrupt the NHS is. Indeed LL was the scapegoat of a massive unopened can of worms.
@@stephenoliver2170 👍 Agree, Well said, terrible miscarriage of justice. One big cover up.
Having read the facts of this case, the fact that Lucy was found guilty at all is an absolute travesty. Poor Lucy is paying for the incompetence of others who aren’t honest enough to admit their shortcomings. That the justice system in this country can’t see the truth leaves us knowing that none of us will truly get justice when the system is as corrupt as this.
Would you say this if she was poc? You’re delusional
@@objectiveone5476 What facts of the case have you seen that make you believe this? I have read through the facts and I have no doubt at all that she is guilty.
Does Kevin O’Sullivan have a drink or two before going on air? He seems to slur his words an awful lot.
If she was innocent she wouldn't have got such a long sentence. She'll never be released so must be sufficient evidence there and surely if she was innocent they'd have not jailed her.
By that argument, everyone sent to the Gulag was also guilty.
Courts make mistakes. Have a look at what was ruled inadmissable to this case if you want to see how much it was skewed.
Even the jury themselves weren't unanimous in 20 out of 22 cases.
Everything about this case is wrong. That woman had the worst defense team ever. They let the prosecution have a free ride. No evidence at all apart from circumstantial and half of that is hear say. She virtually had no defense and If you know how that court works then you know she was stitched up. Goss's latest directions practically put the burden of prove on Letby not the prosecution. I have had appeals there and they where a complete Farce, The Prosecutor and my Barrister agreed the argument so that we could never win that appeal. They bend the law to their favor and there good at it lol Talk Tv who trust anything this station promotes :)
While it might be circumstantial. It's more than obvious she's guilty.
Nurses don’t have to work on the front line - on a ward.
There are loads of ‘back room’ jobs that don’t carry the risk.
Let us the suppose the probability of you being accused of murder, because you were ‘there’ when somebody died, is tiny, tiny, tiny.
But if, by some unfortunate situation, it happens … Then you get IMPRISONMED FOR LIFE.
Now - as in RIGHT NOW, as a nurse on a ward where people die … What are you gonna do ???
As a law lecturer, I feel what was ultimately decided in court is that she had a 'fascination' to tamper with the baby's lives at will. She decided which baby to tamper with for her curiosity, little realising the far serious ramifications. I personally think she enjoyed it but not after the cold light of the day after. Only to return to this method at a later time, like an addict trying to kick the habit. This makes her a killer, nevertheless, albeit not in the conventional sense. But it's human lives here and no different to shooting a gun at a person while hiding in the woods. Did I miss, or did I hit!?
Separately, I still do believe she missed a trick by not testifying in court. It exasperated the case against her.
Yes she was just curious to see what it would be like to give her up life's vocation and everything she had been working extra shifts for, for a prison cell for the rest of her life
Scary how many other Lucy’s are out there. The crazies trolling this case 🙄 shameful
Attempted*
THE HOSPITAL COULD HAVE BEEN AT FALT FOR BAD HYGYEN IN THE UNITE WHERE THE BABIES HAD BEEN PLACED. ALLEDGEDLY, HAVE A LOOK AT THE LINKI HAVE POSTED BELOW, VERY INTERESTING.
Guilty as before no new news
One or two you could question it but all those babies with all the evidence the only question needs answering is why???
All the evidence for a dysfunctional neonatal ward, with over-stretched staff, sewerage problems running directly into the ward, junior doctors intubating neonates multiple times, the answer is money.
It also saves a lot of money having Letby convicted.
she can rot in jail monster and those that think she is not guilty have not heard all the evidence so why are they putting it think of the parents she is a very evil person
You can barely write. Get an education and people might be more interested in your views.
'All the evidence'? What is the evidence? THere is no evidence. An excel spreadsheet is not evidence.
I think you should take a closer look. I have no real idea if she is guilty or innocemt but there are DEFINATELY questions to ask about the case. Please try and take an unbiased/open and thoughtful look at this case. I'm not 'attracted' to this person or her case per se, but when there appears to be questions, serious questions about the conduct of the case and the evidence presented. I think this case may, in time, prove to be a big miscarrige of justice. Well see.
Sad delusional, please think of those little 👼 whose lives where stolen 👼
The last Woman Hanged in the UK was convicted on Circumstantial Evidence and sentenced to death… It wasn’t till years later She was proved innocent of any crime and was used as a scapegoat… I don’t think that She did all this I believe it was a domino effect of different staff members and they found a scapegoat for themselves…
Are you talking about Ruth Ellis? She never denied killing David Blakely. She waited by the body for the police to turn up. What are you on about?
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